[05:52] is iot easier tyo Just remove existing Linux partitions before changing to xubuntu? i decided to switch away from PCLinuxOS on my laptop to xubuntu [05:52] and its a Dell Inspirion 1300 [06:06] is xubuntu going to be the only OS in that computer when you are done Dracari ? [06:09] No [06:10] it dualboot sXP and PCLinuxOS curretly [06:27] easier...probably, especially if you can make backups. [06:28] just in case..... [07:16] * Dracari sighs " its funny.. i gave Up FFXI awhile back but every time i hear a few of the good Tracks from teh various soundtracks to it.. i wonder why i Gave it up..* [07:16] i wonder how far Wine and DirectX games are these days in Linux. [07:16] i havent tried to run FFXI PC under Wine since 8.04 [08:44] this app UNetBootin has been handy for x86/x86-64 Installs/liveCD testing :3 Saves me bunch of $$ on CD-R's [09:13] great.... i haveto manually download and install my Network drivers for my laptop. [09:13] (wireless is Broadcom based) [09:14] Great... so is the Eithernet. [09:49] How can i manually install broadcom drivers -_-both eithernet AND Wireless are broadcom based on this laptop [09:59] hey guys [09:59] was there someone who needed help with broadcom [09:59] wifi [09:59] Balsaq: [09:59] what was his name [09:59] <--- [10:00] the laptops Eithernet And Wireless are Broadcom [10:00] yeah it dracari [10:00] Dracari: can you open up the command line for me [10:00] anythign you do on linux wont effect windows drivers or anything [10:01] Dracari: can you let me know when you have the commandline open please [10:01] Wifi 43xx based wired 44xx based [10:01] forget the wired [10:01] Dracari: can i get the exact wifi model please [10:01] to be precise Wifi is the 4318 and Wired 4401-B0 [10:02] Dracari: can you type the following on command line : sudo apt-get install bw43-fwcutter [10:02] then reboot and see if it works [10:02] Cant [10:02] its completly Isolated from internet [10:03] Because Both are Broadcom based requring the cutter in the first place [10:03] when you installed xubuntu did you have the ethernet plugged in ? [10:03] No [10:03] and its 10.04 Lucid Lynx beta 2 [10:03] yikes [10:03] ok can you plug it in to the wired [10:04] Balsaq: not yikes [10:04] qool...i be quiet [10:04] Balsaq: its looking quite nice [10:04] i see that [10:04] Dracari: can you wire your self up [10:04] i get Nothing when the Eithernet line is connected [10:05] ok do sudo ifconfig eth0 up [10:05] that will bring the wired network up [10:05] once you do that command do ifconfig [10:05] and let me know if eth0 has an ip [10:06] doesnt even show even an 127.0.0.1 Ip [10:06] did you do sudo ifconfig eth- up [10:06] eth0 up [10:06] yes [10:07] theres nothing showing for eth0 for inet addr Mask or the ipv6 only under lo does it show anything [10:07] ok hold on [10:10] auto eth0 [10:11] then [10:11] sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart [10:11] got no command 'auto' found [10:11] O_o [10:11] sounds like an incomplete install [10:12] Installed via USB (UNetBootin) as im low on CD-Rs [10:12] Dracari: do you have any data you need on xubuntu [10:12] thats ok [10:12] Dracari: then in that case i recommend a reinstall with the ethernet plugged in [10:12] i havent used xubuntu since 8.04 [10:13] and i ha dit remove and install the previous Distro that was on it. (PCLinuxOS) [10:13] they arent even done fixin beta yet eagles0513875 [10:13] Balsaq: its due out this month [10:14] 9.10's installer wasnt detecting XP or even PCLinuxOS on the HDD [10:14] i know [10:14] noone in devel has metnioned issues with wireless though... [10:14] Dracari: have you tried using karmic to install then upgrading via network from karmic to lucid [10:14] had the same prob w/ 9.10 and my win7 box it inturn Actually screwed up 7's System partition killing my install of 7. [10:15] Dracari: did dual boot or tried to with 7 and karmic killed my win install [10:15] Dualboot [10:15] ya it was dual boot [10:15] ended up going back to windows 7 :( [10:16] i was installing to my 200GB HDD (IDE) while 7 wa son my 500GB sata [10:16] Dracari: same wiht me 500gb on win 7 and 2tb on karmic but fudged something up [10:16] it wouldnt detect 7 on the sata drive it just saw an active NTFS partition on the sata [10:16] ndswrapper? [10:17] maybe as to dualbooting 9.10 onward is 7 has a new partition scheming and bootloader than vista [10:17] Dracari: im not sure on that [10:17] Balsaq: what bout it [10:18] Dracari: if you do a reinstall with ethernet plugged it its possible that the wifi driver the reverse engineer open source driver [10:18] isnt that how you get a windows/linux machine running wireless? [10:18] but back to the dell lappy. the incomplete install theory has some merit. [10:18] if not the driver you want is the bw43-fwcutter [10:18] Balsaq: you dont need it anymore [10:18] in the live CD [10:18] Dracari: how so [10:18] err USB, it said there was restricted Drivers avilable. and it needed to download and install the fwcutter [10:18] its not doing that post install. [10:19] you can do it via commandline [10:19] but if u dont have ethernet [10:19] if it matters m,uch the laptop model is Inspirion 1300 [10:19] u would need to reinstall with the ethernet plugged in [10:19] that way it can pull it during install [10:20] ok i still have the usb drive set as a LiveUSB [10:21] * Dracari fidgets thru 15 lookalike pendrives [10:21] Dracari: ok ill be back after this lecture when i relocate to see if everything is working for ya [10:21] hehe i have an old 4gb pen drive which i use as install [10:21] usbg [10:21] usbs [10:21] i have a modded Wii where i load my own backed up games via USB [10:22] usefull since the Drive in it is wearing out. [10:22] nice [10:22] it no longer reads GC discs so its a matter of time before its totally shot [10:23] cant complain.. got it for 10$ from my cousin. [10:23] sounds like a bad drive [10:23] yea i got a 2nd wii from a pawnshop but the two are an Ironic Pair [10:23] (2nd one for 30$ w/ extra set of cables) [10:23] nice [10:24] the 2nd one..... cant read DVD Discs only GC discs [10:24] ill be back [10:24] to check on how the reinstall went [10:24] imm going to tell teh installer to Just reuse and reformat the old install's partitions [10:24] thats fine [10:24] im gonna relocate and ill be back asap [10:25] eithernet is plugge din however [10:25] showing Eithernet is Disconnected [10:27] ethernet [10:35] well . i may as well muck with my DS till eagles is back. [10:35] as even under LiveUSB w/ eithernet connected there sstill no internet access [10:35] **ethernet [10:43] wb Balsaq [10:44] i know what was that [10:44] it said you timed out [10:44] hmmm [10:46] Balsaq: [10:46] there he is nm [10:47] Dracari: how are things going [10:47] wb eagles0513875 and i didnt start i booted into the LiveUSB and Ethernet is Still down [10:48] humm [10:48] Dracari: did you have this issue with karmic [10:48] No [10:48] Dracari: then do this install karmic then do the upgrade from karmic to lucid [10:49] i have a live CD but i'll double check [10:50] ok [10:51] can the Upgrade be done from the LiveUSBfor Lucid or hasto be done via upgrade in apt-get/yum ? [10:52] !upgrade [10:52] For upgrading, see the instructions at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UpgradeNotes - see also http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/upgrading [10:52] see the 2nd link i think it can be done using usb im not sure [10:52] because its going to take close to an hr and ahalf via internet as i only have a 1.5mb dsl. [10:52] normally i just use the internet [10:58] unless my karmic cd is scratched its taking a Highly long time to boot -_- [10:58] O_o [10:58] depends on ur system specs [10:58] the boot time from usb on lucid was less than 2 mins [10:58] cd is always slower the usb [10:58] speed wise [10:59] Karmic reporting Wired network is down. >_< [10:59] the closet i have left on CD is 7.04 (my 8.10 cd is too damaged) [10:59] wait [11:00] try this [11:00] sudo ifconfig eth0 up [11:00] and check to make sure its plugged in on both the router as well as laptop end [11:00] you can check that via mii-tools [11:01] hmmmm Maybe... [11:01] * Dracari is thinking.. [11:01] Dracari: did sudo ifconfig eth0 up bring anything up? [11:01] the router its connected to is a DD-WRT enabled linksys [11:02] and is under Repater mode [11:02] *Repeater [11:02] thats why [11:02] most likely [11:02] probably have to change it to router [11:02] eth0 is like before showing Nothing for inet addr for etho only for lo [11:02] you use dhclient for that [11:02] i wonder if Repeater bridge would work. [11:03] Dracari: try what psycho_oreos said try using dhclient to see if u can get an ip using dhcp [11:03] the Main DSL Modem (2wire gateway) is in the other end of the trailer [11:04] humm [11:04] Dracari: whats ur network setup so i can get an idea of the layout [11:05] dhclient is spamming " DHCPDISCVER on eth0 to 255.255.255.255 on port 67 interval 16 send_packet: Network is down [11:05] Dracari, sounds like networkmanager is interfering with the operations if its running [11:06] 2Wire Gate = Modem and Router ---- DD-wrt router connected atm as Repeater to make teh connectionover in my bedroom however this pc is connecte dwirelessly to the 2wire [11:06] i dont have an *ethernet line long enough to streach over [11:07] O_O wirelessly to the wire [11:07] can u get closer to the cable [11:07] yes i can connect the lappy to the 2wire modem [11:09] the network in terms of client: Net source : 2wire -- Clients "Windows7 Box"(wirelessly) "BrotherPC" (wired to 2wire) "UNKNOWNID:[dd-wrt router] (Wirelessly) Xbox 1 (wired-dd-wrt) Wii's (Wirelessly to 2wire) Laptop:Wireles sto 2wire under XP/ Wired or Wireless to dd-wrt when i nee dto change AP's) [11:09] if that makes any sense [11:09] and brb nature calls. [11:12] back [11:14] Dracari: [11:15] we need to temporarily wire urself to ur connection so you can download the wifi driver [11:15] you understanding what im getting at [11:15] yea im shutting it down now to move it [11:15] also you need the connection to download any updates there might be since the cd was created [11:16] im going to first see if this is whats techincally blocking ethernet under lucid. [11:16] if nada i'll boot back up the karmic CD [11:16] ok [11:18] what was the wifi chipset for curious sake? [11:19] 4318 [11:20] ahh [11:21] brb moving laptop to the 2wire [11:24] either it was the Cable or the Router [11:24] it has connection in Lucid via ethernet [11:25] brb while i get it to install wireless drivers [11:29] on the laptop now [11:30] it installed the driver however [11:30] nice... [11:30] it now says for wireless "Device not ready" [11:30] that mean i need to restart? [11:30] prolly [11:30] gonna need eagles [11:30] make sure you configure it with network manager, I've said that twice now [11:31] well thats what network manager is saying psycho_oreos [11:31] for wireless that is [11:31] !broadcom [11:31] Help with Broadcom bcm43xx can be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx [11:31] did you follow fw-cutter steps? [11:31] i had the Hardware Drivers thing do its job. [11:32] the one that comes up when theres Restricted Drivers available [11:32] pastebin (not paste) your dmesg output [11:34] http://pastebin.com/fC7iXxKh [11:36] and man i need to dust out my file/web server im next to.. its filthy! (i got a lil server running CentOS acting as a web and file server thats directly connected to the 2wire :P) [11:36] apparently you haven't followed the !broadcom guide [11:36] you'll need to do that, installing the firmware, the firmware is missing [11:37] then the lil Hardware Drivers thing missed something. [11:37] which version? [11:39] the one that came w/ Lucid [11:39] under Applications --System--Hardware Drivers [11:39] thats how i first installed the drivers when i moved the laptop over here [11:41] probably under lucid the hardware drivers program cannot handle it or the command of installing it must be manually invoked [11:44] followed the broadcom guide upto where i neede dto do sudo apt-get install bcmwl-kernel-source it ran it it did what i needed to when i got to bring up Hardware Drivers it said something " a diffrent driver version is installed" [11:44] you're following the wrong part of the guide [11:45] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WifiDocs/Driver/bcm43xx#Internet%20Access [11:47] ok now it says b43-fwcutter is allready the newest version" [11:48] check under /lib/firmware for a directory called b43 and inside that directory, it contains files ending with .fw [11:49] i see alot of files [11:49] ending with .fw? [11:49] yes [11:50] how is this wireless card connected? [11:50] its not im still connected via Wired [11:50] I mean hardware connections, is it PCI or is it PCMCIA? [11:50] NetworkManager still says for the wifi "device not ready" [11:50] ohh [11:50] Built in [11:51] hmm ok, so its PCI, I'd try removing b43 and ssb modules, and reload them again [11:51] how would i go about that? [11:52] sudo modprobe -r {b43,ssb} && sudo modprobe b43 [11:52] "FATAL: Module ssb is in use" [11:53] lsmod| grep b43 [11:54] ok [11:58] did that return anything? [11:58] no [11:58] sudo modprobe b43 [11:59] that worked.. its now seeing Wireless AP's [11:59] and you should be able to connect and all now [12:00] yep ^^ [12:00] one last thing before i shut this down and move it back to my bedroom. [12:01] my PPC iMac (G4) the wireless drivers are installed but... [12:01] be it protected or unprotected AP's it wont connect [12:01] probably the same issue if under linux, missing firmware [12:02] its a Apple Wifi card [12:02] i cant exactly tell if you'd call it PCI or PCMCIA [12:02] as theres an PCMCIA liek adapter on the bottom of the mac. [12:03] and its stuck using Low graphics mode [12:03] (says something about unable to find an proper framebuffer device) [12:03] afaik Apple loves to use broadcrap chipset (the same that you're using right now to get that wireless working) [12:03] probably missing drivers [12:03] (but it has an ATI Rage PRO 128 TL [12:04] yeah you'll need to use the ati driver under xorg [12:04] i dont recall the Exact lspci listing for the Wireless card but comething GMAC wa slisted [12:06] can't help if you aren't specific, just hardware your imac for the time being [12:06] hardwire* [12:10] oddly... [12:10] it had the same issue as before. [12:10] i'll try swapping Ethernet cables. [12:10] bet ya the cable i was using is Bad [12:11] if the cable was bad, you won't see it light up on either from the port its connected to or the switch/router, etc [12:11] and mii-tool would not yield anything about it being link ok [12:11] well i noticed Exactly that [12:12] and brb moving the laptop cant stand any longer. (i have no chair by the 2wire and having 3 ruptured discs in my back standing this time i'm in terrible pain. [12:18] back [12:20] well [12:21] its not working now.. i hope i dont haveto manually do the modprobe b43 every time -_- [12:24] so you did modprobe b43 to make it work? [12:24] yes [12:24] probably because you're using lucid that's why [12:24] is there a way to make that happen automaticly on boot? [12:24] add it into /etc/rc.conf [12:24] err /etc/rc.local [12:29] add it before or after "exit 0"? [12:29] before [12:47] well psycho_oreos i see why i wasnt getting a response from the ethernet ealier.. [12:47] blasted cable is Bad [12:48] Dracari, lol [12:48] the iMac and laptop are now grabbing updates [12:49] i could of saved myself and everyone So much hassle by checking that in the first place -_- [12:49] and you can rule out of the machines being faulty :) [12:49] or linux for that matter [12:50] as an old saying goes [12:50] "User Error" [12:53] all thast left is to install the ATI Drivers [12:53] for the iMac [13:20] well psycho_oreos im going to bed i have yet to.. Night :3 === Dracari is now known as Dracari|sleepin [13:20] Dracari, nite nite [17:22] does xubuntu lucid still rely on dbus to launch gnome-keyring-daemon? [17:22] because here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfce4-session/+bug/357346 it says so [17:22] BUT [17:22] http://live.gnome.org/GnomeKeyring/RunningDaemon [17:23] This suggests, that when started by DBUS the keyring-daemon only has limited functionality and especially no ssh-agent and key storage [17:24] so i suspect, that xfce4-session relies on dbus, which causes the keyring-daemon to come up crippled [17:29] the keyring daemon has 3 startup services in /etc/xdg/autostart which get started, but whose printed variables are not added to the environment by eval/export [17:54] ok, i filed a bug: #564831 [17:54] maybe one will take notive [17:54] -v+c [18:01] hello [18:02] is it possible to burn multisession disk with brasero? [18:55] Hello Sysi my metal friend :-) [18:57] ugh, that reminds me of 'teräsbetoni' [19:06] whats that? [19:07] * Sachse_Siechtum gives Sysi some german chocolate [19:08] oh man [19:08] hmmm? What. [19:10] some day i'll want to find woman that knows that well what i want [19:10] Sysi, There is no such woman [19:11] propably [19:11] Women do what they want, and manipulate men, so they think its actually what they want [19:12] so for example: [19:12] when I guys walk around in his old worn out leather jacket (i.e. me) and the girlfriend says: this jacket looks so old..why dont you buy a new one?" [19:13] first the guy will say "no I like this jacket its comfy." [19:14] but the gf will repeat her mantra...sweet and between other sentences like: "I gonna buy some clothes. You wanna get a new leather jacket?" [19:14] til the boyfriend finally gives in. [19:15] boyfriend still can notice that new jacket is very comfy [19:16] True. But the new jacket will never be that comfy like the old one. [19:17] i've never had more that few years old clothes.. [19:17] See. How man shoes do you got? [19:18] you mean _all_ shoes? [19:18] yes [19:18] six [19:18] all shoes...well except the ones you wear at home *g* [19:23] ah [19:23] well and I bet they are all comfy... [19:25] they do ♥ [19:25] see [19:27] mine, too (well except for the 30 holes boots..but thats a different story) so women go more for the "looks factor" when they go out. another thing I dont get: When a woman sees another woman who wears the same dress....and the first woman freaks out. Why is that? [19:32] you should ask some woman, but i think that's one of things where 'women logic' really is best explanation [19:33] I know why: Because the woman thinks that the other woman looks better in that dress and that all her "beauty making" effort was in vain. [19:34] and the other woman thinks the same [19:34] i can agree with that [19:36] *g* :-) [19:37] afk → moped [20:37] How do I restart my xfce menus? I've restarted xfce4-panel, and it's visible, but I don't have menus. === Dracari|sleepin is now known as Dracari [21:20] hi all [21:34] I'm looking for a xubuntu .img file of the beta - is this available anywhere? [21:34] for what you'd need it? [21:34] installing xubuntu from a USB drive [21:35] use unetbootin or usb-creator? [21:35] using dd :/ [21:35] usb-creator just seems to break [21:35] usb-creator is my best option i guess [21:35] depends from where you want to create the image... linux? [21:36] i never had problems with usb-creator [21:36] what os you're having now? [21:36] 9.10 [21:36] Is there no such image available, then? [21:36] if you have a hanging usb-creator, try to turn of any usb external hdds first [21:36] no [21:36] usb-creator should work, it worked for me [21:36] only iso [21:37] It would hang, but I have no other USB drives [21:37] have you tried to loa image again? [21:37] does usb-creator install to the device or to the partition? [21:37] both are listed [21:37] partition [21:38] ext2 or fat32 [21:38] I presume it puts an MBR on there by itself? [21:38] propably [21:39] nope, usb-creator just hangs again [21:39] as soon as I pick the image [21:39] interesting [21:39] every so often the compiz "not working" effect lifts from the window, but immediately comes back [21:39] I'm on Ubuntu 9.10, rather than Xubuntu, btw [21:40] that shouldn't matter [21:40] ofc [21:40] and we propably aren't that strict here [21:40] try unetbootin? [21:40] No, I only popped in here because I was looking for a Xubuntu image [21:41] nope [21:42] hmm, hitting ^C while usb-creator mucked about seemed to help o_0 [21:42] it got further anyway [21:46] OK something weird is going on with my machine [21:47] ls ~ is hanging [21:47] this is not to do with usb-creator, I feel [21:47] ~$ ls [21:47] ls: cannot access tmp: Host is down [21:47] tmp being a file in ~ [21:51] an errant CIFS mount [22:14] How do I restart my xfce menus? I've restarted xfce4-panel, and it's visible, but I don't have menus. [22:15] <_Techie_> !panels [22:15] Did your panels disappear? Press alt+f2 and run: xfce4-panel | See also: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/XubuntuPanels | Want to theme your panels? See http://xubuntu.wordpress.com/2007/10/12/howto-set-a-background-image-for-your-panel/ [22:15] <_Techie_> so thats of no help? [22:24] sorry, huge delay due to swap issues [22:25] _Techie_: that's what I meant when I said I'd restarted xfce4-panel. [22:27] TheIt is running; I can see it, but I don't have an applications or places menu. [22:27] <_Techie_> okay [22:28] <_Techie_> Sysi, you around? [22:43] there any guides in prepping a fully installed and updated xubuntu for PXE Network boot? [22:44] as i wanna put some yyse into my old compaq laptop where the hdd is gone [22:45] *use [22:46] back in a few [22:52] <_Techie_> !ltsp [22:52] LTSP is the Linux Terminal Server Project, which adds thin-client support to Linux servers. See chapter 3 of the !edubuntuhandbook, http://www.ltsp.org and/or http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Terminal_Server_Project [22:52] :3 [22:53] <_Techie_> there are ways you can load an entire LiveCD into RAM using PXE but they are more complicated [22:53] well i mean as a Full OS [22:53] i've seen it done w/ Winblows XP [22:53] over a gigabit network [22:53] <_Techie_> you dont ahve to use that term around me, im a windows user [22:55] it was done here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Eq6dQ_XefmM [22:55] <_Techie_> dangit, gimma a few mins to install flash [22:55] ok [22:55] <_Techie_> this is a pretty fresh install of ubuntu im running [22:55] <_Techie_> and i may not be running it for long [22:56] <_Techie_> you got experience with xorg.conf? [22:56] not much [22:56] <_Techie_> know whdere the virtual line goes? [22:57] no [22:57] <_Techie_> dang [22:57] <_Techie_> i started using linux just before they started to implement autodetection so my knowledge of xorg.conf is limited [23:03] ;-; Heartburn really sucks.. [23:11] heartburn? [23:14] yea i from time to time suffer from heartburn. [23:15] what is heartburn? [23:15] I'm german, sorry. [23:16] basicly stomiache acid comes back up on you thru chest and into the throat. [23:17] ah I see [23:17] like a acid reflux [23:17] an [23:17] yes [23:17] ok [23:18] just as nasty and just as painfull [23:18] yeah that sucks === highvolt1ge is now known as highvoltage [23:19] I was eating some cereal yesterday and I got some bits coming up afterwards...and I was like...WTF?