[01:21] JontheEchidna: Where did the kdebase patch come from? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [01:22] ScottK: kde svn 1115480 [01:22] http://websvn.kde.org/trunk/?rev=1115480&view=rev | svn://anonsvn.kde.org/home/kde/trunk -r 1115480 | Use the default profile if the session management's Konsole file is unusable (corrupt/missing/etc). CCBUG: 203621 [01:23] would have been nice to have this fix 6 months earlier, when everybody upgraded from 4.2 to 4.3, but at least it's here now [01:29] JontheEchidna: You tested the fix? [01:34] ScottK: yes [01:38] JontheEchidna: Accepted. [01:38] * ScottK is off again for a while. [01:39] thanks [01:48] i hate when i do that...shutdown -h now instead of restart [01:48] nhandler: how come I cannot connect to freenode with ssl right now? [01:49] 19:48:20 Irssi: warning None of the Subject Alt Names in the certificate match hostname 'chat.us.freenode.net' [02:17] * persia idly notes that the dependency of sbuild on lvm is gone in lucid [02:20] * ScottK may have to consider it then. [02:22] maco: Weren't you already an op? [02:22] ScottK: I stopped working on the use-pbuider-chroots-for-schroot-in-sbuild script at FF. It should be available in maverick, assuming I can dtermine some sanity to how pbuilder stores stuff. [02:23] OK. Nice. Once it's good, we can backport. [02:26] It's just a quick script. The other thing I want to do with pbuilder is add it to http://people.ubuntu.com/~persia/pull-soyuz-chroot (and put that in some useful package) [02:26] If you want to do it manually, the basic model is to stick the tarball in the right directory for schroot, and set up a schroot stanza. [02:27] Err, schroot.conf stanza. [02:29] mcas: pONG [02:32] DarkwingDuck_: mcas is sleeping around this time [02:32] txwikinger: mcas pinged me earlier... Oh well. === DarkwingDuck_ is now known as DarkwingDuck [02:41] ScottK: in #kubuntu yes, but in #ubuntu i wasn't until today [03:10] what do i need to install to make QTHelp work in Kdevelop? [03:28] verbalshadow: as a guess, you may need the Qt assistant program from qt4-dev-tools [03:29] JontheEchidna: i have qt4-dev-tools , qt4-doc, qt4-doc-html all installed :( no luck [03:39] I have Qt Assistant, qt-doc and qt-doc-html (and qt-dev-tools), google has been no help. What do i need to get the qthelp plugin working? [03:50] maco: Oh. OK. [03:56] oy sorry i just noticed that that i sent that message to the wrong channel [04:33] nixternal: i absolutely love you [04:34] nixternal: re: offlineimap + mutt [04:41] imbrandon: Care to blog about your setup. I'm still looking for a decent setup that I can steal [04:42] nhandler: sure, i'll do that later tonight [04:42] * nhandler hugs imbrandon [04:42] if i can find the time, definately before the weekend is up [04:44] JontheEchidna: i noticed you pointed someone having an issue with grub2/grub legacy that reported it against kdebase to KDE upstream [04:44] heh [04:44] imbrandon: No problem. I've been waiting on nixternal a few months. I can wait a few more days [04:44] imbrandon: It was that Dolphin was using a music icon for the files [04:44] nhandler: i'll likely have time tonight, just wanna give myself some breathing room "just in case" :) [04:45] dolphin was? hum i must have read the whole thing wrong then [04:45] whoops [04:46] the report header didn't say dolphin, since the user originally reported it against the dolphin source package left over from hardy ;) [04:47] ahh [04:47] lol [04:47] what was the deal with the grub then? [04:47] user confusion ? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [04:49] imbrandon: dolphin was showing grub data files that ended in .mod with the music mimetype icon [04:51] ohhh so _I'm_ the idiot, i need to read bug reports better [04:52] lol [04:52] JontheEchidna: :) [04:52] ;) [04:52] I almost reassigned it to grub2 the first time I saw it, myself [05:01] * JontheEchidna sighs at bug 565180 [05:01] Launchpad bug 565180 in language-pack-kde-de "Translation error in Launchpad changes (KMail/kdepim)" [Undecided,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565180 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [05:08] Send them to Rosetta. === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [05:27] ScottK: yeah, that's what that bug report is. I'm just sighing at its existence [05:27] Understand [05:28] Assign it to dpm and make it critical. [05:29] I assigned the translation who mucked things up in the first place. I'll subscribe dpm, though [05:30] apachelogger should blog about it. [05:31] It'd be nice if we could prevent the editing of upstream translations for KDE source packages... [05:31] oh well, I'm going to bed now === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [07:04] * ScottK larts JontheEchidna for pointing to the wrong string in Bug #565180 and then goes to bed. [07:04] Launchpad bug 565180 in language-pack-kde-de "Translation error in Launchpad changes (KMail/kdepim)" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565180 [07:05] JontheEchidna: Note that it's now an RC bug. === delight_ is now known as delight [08:45] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-4xTkN1_RQ is there any way this can make it into lucid, code is at http://gitorious.org/oskude-plymouth-themes/space-sunrise ... ppa would be nice 2 :) [10:19] delight, that's nice [10:19] I think you have to submit it though [10:20] not mention it in an irc chan! [10:28] filing a bug and tagging with needs-packaging is the best way [10:28] but we're too late in the cycle to be adding anything [10:34] the reboot required notification is a bit broken for me: http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/8377/notificationreboot.png [10:37] same here, upstream issue I presume [10:39] yeah, I found the lines responsible for it: [10:39] /FIXME: this sounds wrong [10:40] q->setPreferredHeight(mainLayout->effectiveSizeHint(Qt::MinimumSize).height()); [10:45] widget sizes with word wrap are always broken with Qt [10:47] when I remove that line the notification looks like this: http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/4169/notificationrebootbig.png [10:51] heh... i have a long list of upgrades.... : http://paste.ubuntu.com/416070/ [11:10] Mamarok: no idea on the errors,but if Freitag sends in a patch,ill upload it asap [11:47] debfx: that seems like an improvement [11:47] debfx: but I can't help feeling there was probably a reason the author added that line in the first place [11:49] Riddell: the icon isn't aligned to the text anymore [11:50] oh aye [12:06] * debfx should have enabled ccache in pbuilder a long time ago [13:12] is it possible to set webkit as the default view mode for konqueror? [13:14] nvm [13:29] btw is there a bugs.launchpad.net collaboration app? so that i can comment,etc without opening the browser? [13:30] shadeslayer, what do you mean by collaboration app? [13:30] nigelbabu: like we have choqok for twitter/identi.ca [13:31] kbugbuster for bugs.kde [13:31] shadeslayer, Launchpad entirely has an API that you can access [13:31] but AFAIK no gui has been written [13:31] nigelbabu: not a API... a GUI :) [13:31] shadeslayer, no GUI yet [13:31] hmm [13:32] nigelbabu: i think i found something [13:32] !info bughugger [13:32] Package bughugger does not exist in karmic [13:32] !info bughugger lucid [13:33] bughugger (source: bughugger): Client for Managing Ubuntu Bug Tasks. In component universe, is extra. Version 10.04 (lucid), package size 125 kB, installed size 524 kB [13:33] :D [13:33] oh yah, but I'm nt sure how it works [13:33] lets try it out then... installing [13:37] nigelbabu: are the indian mirrors working for you? [13:38] I dunno. I use the default one [13:38] nigelbabu: the main servers? hehe... i would get off them in 4-5 days [13:38] people will start upgrading left right and center from the main servers :P [13:38] shadeslayer, no. I just click select best servers and use that [13:38] oh... [13:42] grrrr... [13:42] http://paste.ubuntu.com/416123/ [13:46] shadeslayer, use the browser ;) [13:52] Riddell: ping [13:56] neversfelde: hola [13:56] hi Riddell [13:57] kipi-plugin freeze exception request got a -1 from the translators, I am a bit confused :) [13:57] it is already in the archive, isn't it? [13:57] yes, too late I'm afraid [13:59] ok, I try to help where I can to get a solution, but at the moment, I am not sure where to start [14:00] not much we can do except appologise I support [14:00] suppose [14:43] hey any ideas why bughugger wont work in kubuntu lucid? [15:03] * Scorpiion is away: Gone away for now [15:17] someone working on a ppa package of amarok 2.3.1 beta? [15:17] neversfelde: not that I know of [15:18] ok, work for me [15:18] :) === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [15:59] anyone experienced problems with digikam in lucid? bug kde 232628 [15:59] KDE bug 232628 in Albums GUI "crash on startup in RatingWidget" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=232628 [15:59] I cannot reproduce at the moment and no report on Launchpad so far [16:45] nookie^! [16:50] * apachelogger notes that he thinks ktorrent is a rather ugly app [16:50] * apachelogger also notes that he shouldnt check highlights for a day [16:50] * apachelogger also notes that the akonadi timeout is still not large enough [16:51] * apachelogger also notes that oracle doesnt wanna kill mysql as it seems [16:53] * neversfelde highlights apachelogger [16:54] * apachelogger is wondering why it always must be him who rants about l10n [16:55] * nigelbabu wonders why apachelogger always starts the day with /me [16:55] * apachelogger is telling valorie to check the url he posted before he mentioned that kaudiocreater does not build, as he uploaded a fix for the broken building right after he said that it does not build [16:56] * apachelogger tells nigelbabu that apachelogger is very self-aware and thus must put himself into the right light at the beginning of the day [16:56] * apachelogger notes that it is more like towards the end though, since it is 4 minutes before 6pm [16:57] * nigelbabu goes "aha" [16:57] * nigelbabu thought apachelogger was in North America [16:58] * apachelogger is not anywhere near there :P [16:59] I'm guessing somewhere in EU [16:59] FR? [17:00] * apachelogger explains to ScottK that he has been demanding unchangable upstream strings for like ever, but that would prevent bug fixes too so no one liked the idea [17:00] neversfelde: You can tell the translators that if they don't like the update they are free to stop worsening our translations. [17:00] apachelogger: I like the idea. [17:00] * apachelogger adds that usually the kind of bugfixes done in rosetta are of doubtable nature though, as we have seen yet again [17:01] ScottK: I also proposed that changability must be opt-in and signed off by a dev [17:01] finally! [17:01] I think that wasnt liked either [17:01] I may remember wrong, but I really recall dpm saying upstream strings would be preferred [17:01] unless changed [17:01] Perhaps [17:01] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/KnowledgeBase/TranslationsPrecedence [17:03] I think somehting like "OK, for Lucid gave in and did it your way even though we thought and continue to think it was a bad idea, so for Maverick, you get to give in and try it our way." ought to be the plan. [17:03] hmm [17:04] nigelbabu: je ne suis pas francais, mais autrichien :P [17:04] ScottK: I would not have given in to begin with :P [17:04] it is like with the patch policy [17:05] * ScottK ran out of time and energy to maintain sufficient outspokenness on the topic. [17:05] * ScottK does recall ever getting the quality analysis we were promised, but maybe just missed it. [17:05] * apachelogger was trying to write a blog post about it without ranting the shit out of the broken design [17:05] apachelogger, you're DE and FR? [17:05] ScottK: I really have no idea about translations, but as far as I understood the problem is, that there are many strings and some teams have started or completed the translations for kipi. I do not know, why this is a problem, because nothing that could be translated is removed and only a few new things get in with 1.2.0 [17:06] ahh, austria [17:06] DE & FR? what's that leave, Alsace Lorraine? [17:07] nigelbabu: je ne suis pas allemand :P [17:07] kubotu: time [17:07] apachelogger: Europe - Vienna - Sat Apr 17 18:07 CEST [17:07] vienna hasnt been part of germany for some 70 years or so [17:08] Je ne peux pas vraiment lu beaucoup de français, but I can use google translate. [17:08] hahahaha [17:08] earlier I tried to double guess before pasting in translate [17:08] lolz [17:08] apachelogger: oh oh oh ive been where you are [17:08] I am not there [17:09] oh [17:09] so confusing! [17:09] the timezone is denoted with vienna [17:09] * apachelogger only goes to vienna to get to the airport :P [17:09] and that is no option today since the airport is closed anyway [17:10] the cloud is here! [17:10] THE CLOUD [17:10] ^^ [17:10] apachelogger, http://madduck.net/blog/2010.04.17:planes-or-volcano/ [17:11] ScottK: now we have plasma-widget-networkmanagement in the cd ? instead of network-manager-kde ? [17:11] lex79: Yes. [17:11] ScottK: so maybe it's better remove "CAUTION: plasma widget is not very usable at the moment. Consider using [17:11] network-manager-kde instead." [17:11] apachelogger: drive to the airport and ask, if someone needs a taxi [17:11] Tonio_ pulled some French arguing trick and got the poor Scotsman to change at the last minute [17:11] nigelbabu: that is foobar [17:11] and ah, be expensive :D [17:11] ScottK: from the description [17:11] lex79: Good point. [17:12] neversfelde: there were people that took a freaking taxi from vienna to zurich!!! [17:12] hehe [17:12] lex79: Can you update the descriptions and put it in bzr? [17:12] ScottK: yes [17:12] apachelogger, foobar? [17:12] on the news I have heared berlin to paris [17:12] imagine how important it must be to get from berlin to paris to actually be able to effort the kind of money that journey costs with a taxi [17:13] * ScottK wonders why one can't rent a car? [17:13] ScottK: all rented out [17:13] Ah [17:13] germany is out of cars I have heared [17:13] yes, no cars to rent here [17:13] neversfelde, wow [17:13] Trains overfull too no doubt. [17:13] * apachelogger thinks that the way he said it is more fun [17:14] ScottK: that is default in germany though [17:14] tell mercedes to double-time it? [17:14] all trains that are available are in use this weekend [17:15] * neversfelde is glad to be at home this weekend :) [17:15] except for thos that are in austria :P [17:15] * apachelogger note that austria rents quite a lot of them for the increased travel frequency caused by ski tourists [17:15] somtime until may or so [17:18] ScottK: are you sure we have bzr for networkmanagement? I can't find it. Should I create it? [17:22] markey: could you get me a full amaork cmake log from arch ... maybe that helps with finding the reason for qtscriptbindings test failing [17:23] apachelogger: are you creating packages for Kubuntu? [17:23] neversfelde: of? [17:24] no either way [17:24] * apachelogger is @home on netbook [17:24] apachelogger: amarok beta [17:24] I am not doing anything until monday or more likely wednesday [17:24] neversfelde: no [17:24] ok [17:24] cause it builds here [17:24] well yeah [17:25] that is with 300% likelyhood an arch problem :P [17:25] * apachelogger made it work for kubuntu + chroots a while back [17:25] which is why I am intersted in the cause of arch's problems [17:25] ok [17:26] mehh, why is next ubuntu developer membership board meeting at 15 UTC? [17:26] that is too early for me [17:27] * apachelogger just found a boutle of captain morgan and thinks that tomorrow everything will be too early ^^ [17:28] hehe [17:29] whatever captain morgan is, it seems to be not healthy [17:30] neversfelde: rum, my friend, rum! [17:30] neversfelde: what are you membershipping for btw? [17:31] apachelogger: Moto :) [17:31] still [17:31] yes, I did not have the time to attend the last meetings [17:31] oh my [17:31] well [17:31] neversfelde: good luck then :) [17:32] apachelogger: thanks, I will have to go to McDonalds to have internet access, I think :) [17:32] ^^ [17:32] you just go there today already [17:32] just to make sure [17:33] last time we needed internet access stat the wifi at mcdo was rather broken [17:33] ever since my mobile is constantly wardriving ^^ [17:33] you never know when you need internet access [17:34] hehe, my tax law school is using KDE 3.5.7, but they block everything that isn't google.de [17:34] I probably should convert them to Kubuntu 10.04 [17:36] oh my [17:36] where is jonny? [17:36] neversfelde: oha, 3.5.7 is like old [17:38] apachelogger: yes, indeed. Nostalgic experiences for me :) [17:39] lex79: I thought so. Check for the vcs headers in debian/control. If not, we should, so please make it too. [17:39] kk [17:40] * ScottK had a 3.5.6 desktop until ~4 months ago [17:41] why not, it is till working [17:41] except for some flash websites [17:42] s/till/still [17:42] In my case the why not was it was Dapper and a bunch of stuff no longer had security support. [17:43] The interesting thing is that Lucid is much better for this machine than Karmic was thanks to Intel drivers improving. [17:43] :) [17:45] the digikam problem that I mentioned above seems to be present for some lucid users, I am still trying to reproduce. As there is a fix from upstream, a patch should be no problem. What is needed to update the package after final freeze, an ack from ubuntu release team? [17:46] neversfelde: yes [17:46] or which I'm a member [17:46] ok, I'll have a look [17:46] I can be bribed with mint chocolate, but only Fair Trade certified [17:47] of course ScottK may be easier to bribe, I hear he'll go with plain chocolate [17:48] Scotch works better for me. [17:49] I hate chocolate, but I have some old bread and coffee in the house [17:50] probably I can update to coffee + scotch, but I am not sure, if this is a good idea [17:51] hmm, I rarely offer freeze exceptions to people who refer to whisky by /that word/ [17:51] Riddell: does Trader Joe's exist over there? ive discovered some yummy dark chocolate truffle chocolate bars! [17:51] maco: nope [17:55] Riddell: I didn't realize that was viewed negatively in Scotland. Sorry. [17:59] I am sorry, too. Although I have no idea, why it is viewed negatively? [18:03] neversfelde: just because it's so often used in a negative or ignorant context [18:04] Riddell: Perhaps you could help us out with the right way ... [18:04] the whisky industry does still use it to refer to itself, presumably because they'll do whatever it takes to make money :) [18:04] Ah, so it's a term generally best avoided due to the associated connotations? [18:05] right [18:05] ScottK: the drink is whisky, anything claiming to be whisky but not made in Scotland is called "blasphemy" and for the close observers will be misspelt as "whiskey" [18:05] Ah. [18:05] I see. [18:06] the adjective for people from Scotland or anything else is Scots [18:06] So Scots whisky would be correct, but redundant. [18:06] right [18:06] Got it. Thanks. [18:07] Sorry for the previous misuse. [18:08] don't take me too seriously of course or I'll be chastising you for considering putting ice in your whisky next :) [18:09] oh, no one puts ice in there, cola is cold enough :) [18:10] Riddell: No worries. I have NEVER done that. [18:10] i thought rum went with cola, not whisky [18:10] neversfelde: ! [18:10] neversfelde: now you're just trying to wind me up! [18:10] hehe [18:11] Actually I take that back. I think I did try it once, but have repressed the awful memory. [18:28] apachelogger: sure, I can get you a log. you mean a normal CMake run? [18:28] or something special? === yofel_ is now known as yofel [18:30] apachelogger: http://pastebin.com/QxjLk7NY === ramanK is now known as Guest29015 [19:09] hi there [19:09] I use Kubuntu 10.4 beta 2 on a lenovo thinkpad notebook [19:10] When I plug in the AC adaptor , the display brightness increases [19:11] if I manually decrease it , after several seconds , the brightness increases automatically [19:11] what can I do to solve that? === jefferai is now known as melange === melange is now known as jefferai [19:17] no idea? [19:18] Guest29015: Did you install all the post beta 2 updates? [19:19] ScottK: no [19:19] Guest29015: Do that, reboot, and see if it helps. [19:20] ScottK: thanks , I will [19:27] ScottK: ouch :( plasma-widget-networkmanagement conflicts with network-manager-kde, and network-manager-kde conflicts with plasma-widget-networkmanagement [19:27] we have to drop the second one right? [19:28] lex79: It means you can only have one installed at a time. [19:28] I wouldn't mess with it. [19:29] ScottK: I know, but there are users complains about they have to install plasma-widget-networkmanagement manually [19:29] no solution for that? [19:29] IIRC it was handled automatically. I'd ask Tonio_ before you change it. [19:30] ok [19:31] ScottK: anyway I created the branch here: https://code.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/plasma-widget-networkmanagement/ubuntu [19:31] how else would you install it? [19:31] apachelogger or Riddell: There are anguage-pack-kde-st and anguage-pack-kde-st -base pakcage in binary New that look like they are empty. What's up with that? [19:32] Riddell: Is that normal? [19:32] I see a Gnome one there too that's similar. [19:36] depends if anything has been translated, maybe enough non-GUI bits have to make language packs [19:36] needs dpm to know really [19:36] OK. Do you generally just accept those or leave them? [19:37] I'd accept them but if they're empty that's worth querying first [19:38] OK. [19:38] I'll leave them for now then. [19:45] hi friends [19:47] Riddell: Looks like libmsn got accepted into Universe on some archs (at least armel). Would you please promote: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/armel/libmsn0.3/4.1-0ubuntu1 [19:47] in Kubuntu lucid, the playmouth splash, always display the message about the disks are being check, but they aren't [19:47] hi, i'm searching for the ubuntu/kubuntu brand elements. Where can i find them? need them for a presentation [19:48] EagleScreen: Not everyone has that problem and those bits are identical in Ubuntu and Kubuntu, so I'd ask for help in #ubuntu+1 to figure it out. [19:48] i can confirm what EagleScreen says [19:48] Odd. [19:48] * ScottK hasn't seen it. [19:49] dont you think it could be related with the Kubuntu plymouth theme? [19:51] janmalte: new Kubuntu logo is http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/kubuntu_logotype_black.png [19:51] (or .svg) [19:51] wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand has the ubuntu logo [19:57] thanks, do you know where the other things are? like the font and so on? [19:59] janmalte: there is no font yet, the only characters which exist are the ones in "kubuntu" [20:01] ok [20:01] thx [20:20] Riddell: Looks like libmsn0.3 being in Universe is just armel. [20:21] ScottK: ok one sec [20:21] Thanks. [20:22] sorted (next publisher run) [20:22] Great. I'll mash retry on kdenetwork after. Thanks [21:09] \o [21:11] o/ [21:24] Riddell: do you mind uploading KOffice beta2? I'll send you the debian dir shortly [21:40] Quintasan: I had a ping about koffice, maybe it would be good to send a mail to the list, that you are doing it [21:41] Quintasan: as far as I remeber Groo, hope that it is the correct nick, has packaged it, too [21:41] probably Jonathan (the echidna) knows more [21:42] neversfelde: Groo tends to pick up things and disappear halfway :P [21:43] Quintasan: do not know any details, I only read about it in my away og [21:43] s/og/log [21:43] well I'll write up a mail as soon as I finish [21:51] /msg ubottu !kubuntu [23:01] apachelogger: thanks so much! [23:01] downloading kaudiocreator as we speak [23:01] :-)