[00:00] <phillw> rathin2j: I'm looking for a ubuntu doc on the installation, brb
[00:00] <rathin2j> Oh!! thanks4 the info
[00:01] <rathin2j> ya u can use HANDBOOK for that
[00:03] <phillw> all i see, is that you *must* use win7 to shrink the area, or else it all goes horribly wrong, I don't have win7 so can only inform you that I have not seen a set of instructions to use gparted, and many to say not to use it.
[00:03] <phillw> I have vista, which was the 1st one to change from using gparted.
[00:04] <rathin2j> ya i wont
[00:04] <rathin2j> but i generally use acronics
[00:04] <rathin2j> disk director suit
[00:04] <phillw> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WindowsDualBoot!
[00:04] <rathin2j> it's marvelous
[00:05] <rathin2j> software
[00:06] <phillw> if i have access, i will use the win stuff to do win stuff, it stops the system screaming, spitting out the dummy etc.
[00:07] <phillw> if i need to get deep and nasty, I'll just get the surgeons knife out, cut out the the bits I need and let the rest go to the wonderful place of heaven called 'un-allocated' :-D
[00:08] <rathin2j> ha..ha..ha..:P
[00:12] <phillw> rathin2j: I do use general anaesthetic, the win system is not actually booted up. I may not like Win, that does not mean I am a cruel person ;-)  Heck, I still like XP and support it, it was the best OS they brought out since win98, which is still going well. I've just not really got the inclination to try Win7 with having 10.04 flavours to play with. So many variants, so much choice, so little money to pay :-D
[00:15] <phillw> rathin2j: I'm not sure if I am allowed to post this one, but it is just a real quick guide to the *buntu family, I hope it is of use while you make your mind up --> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52
[00:15] <rathin2j> phillw: ya,u r right,and thats why i m currently running hacked win 7 ;)
[00:16] <phillw> rathin2j: I do not like hacked s/ware. 1) it is illegal  2) there is better stuff there for free
[00:17] <rathin2j> ya  i know it's illegal but i couldnt resist
[00:17] <rathin2j> and on the same time FUNDING was a prbm :'(
[00:18] <phillw> so, your win7 will be full of trojans... yipee, i hope you and your computer helping the bot-net system helps you sleep easy at night, while I receive spam >:o
[00:19] <rathin2j> no,
[00:19] <rathin2j> i can guaranty that it's without trojans
[00:20] <phillw> ubuntu is free, as in completely free. you can do skool work in the required formats, you can draw, design, etc. all for free - why be a criminal ? I just don't get it ?
[00:20] <rathin2j> and r u working with security or something? ;)
[00:20] <phillw> rathin2j: as you have not examined every line of  code, that is something you cannot do
[00:21] <rathin2j> ya i m a intermediate user,no doubt
[00:22] <rathin2j> hey dont think that i m supporting WIN or hacking \,i m just discussing
[00:22] <rathin2j> HEALTHLY :)
[00:26] <rathin2j> phillw: hey,every thing OK?
[00:26] <phillw> no rathin2j, i have about a zero tolerance of such things, so "every thing OK?" = NO
[00:27] <rathin2j> phillw:i m really sorry :'(
[00:28] <phillw> before i receive an infraction, i will leave and get on with some other stuff.
[00:28] <rathin2j> i didnt wanted2 hurt u
[00:28] <phillw> http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=57
[00:28] <rathin2j> hey,hey no man i m currently on UBUNTU
[00:29] <rathin2j> phillw: OH!! i c !! u r a ADMIN
[00:30] <rathin2j> !!
[00:30] <phillw> on my site yes, on here, no I am just a member who has signed the CoC
[00:32] <phillw> that is my baby forum
[00:34] <rathin2j> phillw:sorry SIR,bt hough i hv to keep WIN bcoz it's a FAMILY PC thats why i keep other wise i m the last person to keep windows=-O
[00:35] <rathin2j> phillw: other wise i m  i m a full HEARTED open source supporter
[00:35] <rathin2j> :'(
[00:35] <Raidsong> how many here use a PC?
[00:36] <pedro3005> +1
[00:36] <phillw> rathin2j: there is no need to keep win on a family PC, the ubuntu family can do all of that, skool work etc for free, there is no need to have pirated software. That is a common mis-conception.
[00:36] <pedro3005> misconception*
[00:37] <Raidsong> phillw, older folks are unable to make the change from windows to linux
[00:37] <Raidsong> *as a general rule
[00:37] <pedro3005> phillw, some times there is a real need for windows and proprietary software
[00:37] <rathin2j> but my mom dad r stuborn MS OFFICE users :( thats why
[00:38] <Raidsong> rathin2j, and that will never change so dont try and force it
[00:38] <pedro3005> it is a fact that not all proprietary software is replaceable with open source. sometimes the quality is beyond inferior and other times it is simply non-existent, or much too complicated, unreliable
[00:38] <rathin2j> raidsong: no man,i m a full hearted linux user
[00:38] <phillw> Raidsong: I dunno, my mum is 75 and loves it ... no waiting 5 minutes while it boots the anti-virus / malware and does scans "When you get to this age, 5 minutes is quite important" :-)
[00:38] <Raidsong> rathin2j, but your parents are not linux users
[00:39] <rathin2j> NO
[00:39] <rathin2j> thats the prbm :(
[00:39] <Raidsong> phillw, thats why i say *as a general rule
[00:39] <rathin2j> means
[00:39] <rathin2j> they say "v use windows at work,so will prefere windows"
[00:39] <rathin2j> c??
[00:39] <rathin2j> thats the case
[00:39] <Raidsong> rathin2j, there is a good chance it wont change you can try putting OO on the windows machine
[00:40] <rathin2j> otherwise i would b last person to keep windows on my PC
[00:40] <phillw> as a general rule, all they want is browser and for the youngsters some way of doing their homework in a word processor etc.
[00:40] <Raidsong> that is compatible with windows office
[00:41] <rathin2j> it can also b done with OPENOFFICE
[00:41] <Raidsong> thats OO like i said
[00:41] <rathin2j> OH!! i c??! i didnt got that
[00:41] <phillw> for documents, you do not need all of OO, lubuntu uses AbiWord which can 'talk' MS language, there are so many choices
[00:42] <Raidsong> i prefer OO since it does much more then abiword
[00:42] <pedro3005> these can "kind of" talk MS language
[00:42] <pedro3005> it is not perfect, of course
[00:42] <pedro3005> I've been idealist as you guys, but I've gotten more realistic
[00:42] <Raidsong> pedro3005, same here
[00:43] <Raidsong> and phillw i suggested OO because it has both windows and linux installs
[00:43] <pedro3005> Raidsong, open source is really good, but it isn't perfect yet. it is not always the answer, and it doesn't work for everyone. it is not indubitably superior to other choices
[00:44] <rathin2j> raidsong:u r RIGHT
[00:44] <Raidsong> pedro3005, i agree but it he wants any shot at all of transitioning his parents to linux through OO is the best way
[00:45] <pedro3005> Raidsong, I think he shouldn't even attemp
[00:45] <Raidsong> if i had the option i would use Microsoft Word 2007 home and student like i used to
[00:45] <pedro3005> attempt to do so*
[00:45] <Raidsong> its such a nice word processor
[00:45] <Raidsong> pedro3005, mine is not a place to question his action but to assist him in the attempt he feels is best
[00:45] <phillw> Raidsong: OOo is best for for both systems,
[00:46] <rathin2j> ok guys bye,it's SLEEPING TIME....GOOD NIGHT :-*
[00:46] <pedro3005> I use Open Office and it works, but I've used MS Word and it also works... my use is not extensive enough to note a substantial difference
[00:46] <Raidsong> night Raidsong
[00:46] <Raidsong> err rathin2j
[00:46] <phillw> Raidsong: MSWord2007 gets a platinum rating for WINE, btw
[00:46] <rathin2j> ;-)
[00:46] <Raidsong> phillw, wine is not the answer for everything
[00:46] <rathin2j> bye bye...
[00:47] <phillw> cyas rathin2j
[00:47] <rathin2j> thanks....
[00:48] <phillw> (00:45:03) Raidsong: if i had the option i would use Microsoft Word 2007 home and student like i used to ???? and I suggest WINE ?? - confused, okay, so it does not take much ;-)
[00:49] <Raidsong> i duel boot a lot of the time
[00:49] <Raidsong> phillw, linux doesnt handle flash the way i would like and i often require windows for that function
[01:46] <phillw> Raidsong: as I am interested in the accessibility, I am afraid on my list of things to learn about web-design, Flash is pretty low down; I have to learn all about ensuring rule508 compliance before I get that far, although I do believe it is possible (Else why would they be putting a 'machine' up on you tube to stop a class action ;-)  )
[01:47] <phillw> Raidsong: I'm just moving some stuff around, I am lurking :-0
[01:49] <Raidsong> phillw, not all flash works on linux many multi player flash games dont work
[01:49] <Raidsong> phillw, actually i cant think of any that work with linux
[02:10] <phillw> Raidsong: well, i find club penguin works very well, but they only have about 500 servers and 200,000 members .. I guess it breaks when you have more
[02:13] <Raidsong> phillw, club penguin looks like a neopets type game
[02:14] <Raidsong> this computer is incredably old so i dare not try to play it
[11:45] <man0riaX> Heya
[12:24] <zeroseven0183> What's up, man0riaX?
[12:25] <man0riaX> zeroseven0183: I'm trying to prune my Bonsai :D
[12:26] <zeroseven0183> Wow! That's good. You like plants?
[12:26] <man0riaX> I like them, yes. I'm trying not to kill them, though. :D
[12:27] <man0riaX> Afk lunch
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[21:37] <AJH101> Hello I am planning to back up my home folder before a fresh install of lucid but have a qn about how to do this please
[21:39] <Akos> hi AJH101
[21:40] <Akos> AJH101: you just need to copy the folder to a safe location, especially the folders beginning with ., usually these hold the settings for various applications, and of course the other folders, which hold your personal folders (:
[21:40] <AJH101> Akos: do i install lucid and then just copy and paste the home directory?
[21:41] <Akos> AJH101: yes, that should be fine, of course some settings might not apply because of new features
[21:41] <AJH101> Akos: or should I imstall all software first?
[21:41] <Akos> AJH101: well in the home folder only the settings are stored, not the software, so yes, you should install the software then copy their settings over
[21:42] <AJH101> ok thanks
[22:23] <Guegs> Well, I just installed Ubuntu using the .exe. I will be back in a few seconds with any problems I have. :)
[22:37] <jfoozie420> hello
[22:37] <pedro3005> hello
[22:38] <jfoozie420> ey how do i bookmark this chatroom??
[22:38] <pedro3005> what client are you using?
[22:38] <jfoozie420> smuxi
[22:38] <jfoozie420> is there one that you would recommend?
[22:38] <pedro3005> I use xchat and like it
[22:39] <jfoozie420> for sure ill check it out
[22:44] <jfoozie420> go it, its looking like an actual aim lol
[22:44] <jfoozie420> ey one thing tell me how to start with basic installations from certain directories
[22:45] <jfoozie420> i know they have those different file extensions, but im having problems when i download i open it up usually and think its like windows
[22:45] <jfoozie420> my mind set is completely wrong
[22:46] <pedro3005> jfoozie420, what do you want to install?
[22:47] <phillw> pidgin is okay for basic IRC, AIM, Yahoo!, MSN etc.
[22:48] <jfoozie420> like any basic file, i know they have a load of file extensions
[22:48] <jfoozie420> lets start with .tar.gz
[22:49] <jfoozie420> how do i simply just do a quick extract then an install in the terminal?
[22:49] <phillw> jfoozie420: what version of ubuntu are you using ?
[22:49] <pedro3005> jfoozie420, most programs you need will be available through Applications > Software Center, have you seen that?
[22:50] <jfoozie420> 9.10
[22:50] <jfoozie420> yeah i usually just do the quick sudo install, but when i download packages that arent on synaptic i have a pain of a trouble
[22:50] <phillw> +1 to pedro3005, you do not need to bother with tar.gz etc, just go there and tell it to install it for you.
[22:51] <jfoozie420> how do i just tell it to install it for you? permissions then allow as executable?
[22:51] <pedro3005> jfoozie420, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/CompilingEasyHowTo
[22:52] <phillw> jfoozie420: nope, just click install, it will ask for your password & get on with it.
[22:52] <pedro3005> only do that when absolutely necessary
[22:52] <pedro3005> jfoozie420, what phillw said is on the Software Center.. but if you need to compile something that isn't there, you'd follow that link
[22:53] <jfoozie420> thank you kind sirs, i know its simply a blunt question im just trying to keep my basic knowledge to just a little level higher than what it is
[22:53] <jfoozie420> so if i might have a dumb question, just slap me with your digital pimp hand
[22:53] <pedro3005> we're here for dumb questions :D
[22:54] <phillw> jfoozie420: there are no dumb questions, just people too dumb to ask
[22:54] <jfoozie420> ill do it that way then
[22:54] <jfoozie420> its actually people too stubborn to ask these questions, i started ubuntu a couple years ago with no knowledge of things whatsoever and gave up on it
[22:55] <jfoozie420> but i came back, and you guys have been hell of a help
[22:55] <jfoozie420> thank you guys for sharing the knowledge lol
[22:56] <phillw> jfoozie420: have a look at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHBDd0GGWEY
[22:57] <jfoozie420> kk ill be on that
[22:58] <phillw> if a picture paints a thousand words, a short video clip paints millions :-)
[22:58] <jfoozie420> guess like i have to have a need for software sources
[22:58] <jfoozie420> thanks for that heads up phill
[22:59] <phillw> yw, that's what the people on here are for :-)  Hope it explains things for you.
[23:00] <jfoozie420> alright give me a little basic terminal excercise, how do i move a certain file from a directory. Like new file.txt from desktop to home documents
[23:02] <phillw> jfoozie420: there is a free e-book on stuff like that, give me a mo to get the link up.
[23:03] <jfoozie420> fosho
[23:04] <phillw> jfoozie420: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052065
[23:06] <phillw> jfoozie420: a good place to book mark is http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=326 that is the forum equivalent to this IRC channel
[23:06] <jfoozie420> thanks brotha im on it as we speak
[23:10] <jfoozie420> its funny how theres so many different ubuntu derivatives
[23:17] <robbmunson> jfoozie420, and equally as funny as there are more Debian derivatives....
[23:19] <phillw> robbmunson: at my last count there were these http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=52  But that's only at my last count :-D
[23:19] <pedro3005> phillw, official, yes
[23:19] <pedro3005> unofficial, thousands more
[23:20] <robbmunson> pedro3005, debian is the most "hacked at" distro ever....
[23:20] <pedro3005> robbmunson, ubuntu is technically a derivative of debian
[23:21] <robbmunson> pedro3005, im completely aware ;)
[23:21] <pedro3005> robbmunson, figured you would be
[23:22] <robbmunson> im thinking about going back to a debian install...but that was no fun, I hated it being so darn stable, I purposely poked holes.....
[23:22] <phillw> pedro3005: I have enough problems keeping up with *buntu, have a look at http://distrowatch.com/  for many more :-D
[23:23] <jfoozie420> robbmunson: yeah i realize that lol
[23:23] <phillw> robbmunson: , join the *buntu dev systems, we have gr8 fun :-)
[23:23] <robbmunson> phillw, im a tester =)
[23:24] <phillw> robbmunson: which *buntu ones are you playing with ?
[23:24] <robbmunson> well, im not on *buntu right now...but I did massive work to Hardy...
[23:25] <pedro3005> phillw, I thought Lubuntu wasn't official
[23:25] <robbmunson> pedro3005, its not
[23:25] <phillw> robbmunson: http://ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=377 is getting a bit boring, as we approach RC but Meerkat will start by the end of April
[23:26] <pedro3005> why, if Lubuntu is, aren't all other unofficial Ubuntu versions on the list?
[23:27] <phillw> pedro3005: oops, I'll update that post, it is noted here http://forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=65!
[23:28] <phillw> pedro3005: for the reason stated on the wiki page, that being it is aiming for official adoption
[23:29]  * robbmunson tried lxde on another distro...its nice.
[23:49] <phillw> robbmunson: Pm okay ?
[23:50] <robbmunson> sure
[23:57] <jfoozie420> hello peace
[23:57] <peace> hi jfoozie
[23:57] <peace> i just recently install ubuntu on my laptop
[23:57] <jfoozie420> put up any questions here there should be someone that'll give you the info you want
[23:57] <peace> to learn it more and more
[23:58] <peace> thanks
[23:58] <peace> hi frank1
[23:58] <peace> thanks
[23:58] <peace> man
[23:58] <phillw> peace: what would like to learn ?
[23:58] <peace> i'm from irelan
[23:58] <peace> anyway
[23:58] <peace> anybody from ireland dublin
[23:58] <peace> hi phillw
[23:59] <peace> how to install a ubuntu server on ubuntu
[23:59] <phillw> hiyas peace, I'd suggest starting at http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052065
[23:59] <peace> i know a bit about vmware
[23:59] <peace> ok
[23:59] <peace> phill