[00:20] <godbyk> dutchie: you still around?
[00:21] <dutchie> yep
[00:22] <dutchie> can I give you the command? I don't have a copy of the branch handy
[00:22] <godbyk> Sure.
[00:22] <godbyk> I'm just going through the bugs in launchpad to make sure I haven't missed any big ones.
[00:22] <godbyk> but then I'll generate the pot file.
[00:23] <godbyk> what do I have to do to 1. generate the pot file; 2. ensure the pot file doesn't vary too much from the previous that it wipes out massive amounts of translated test; 3. get it into launchpad/rosetta; and 4. duck anything translators may throw at me?
[00:24] <dutchie> po4a --no-translations -MUTF-8 -v --copyright-holder="The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-name=ubuntu-manual --package-version=`bzr revno` po4a.conf
[00:24] <dutchie> that'll regenerate everything that needs regenerating
[00:24] <godbyk> okay
[00:24] <godbyk> it knows where to put the pot file and whatnot?
[00:24] <dutchie> yes
[00:24] <godbyk> then I just commit the updated pot file to the branch?
[00:25] <dutchie> use bzr diff (wise to pipe into less) to check that nothing obvious has gone first
[00:25] <godbyk> sure
[00:31] <godbyk> dutchie: running po4a now.  we'll see how this goes!
[00:31] <dutchie> may take a while
[00:32] <godbyk> dutchie: that just changed the .po files.  didn't touch the .pot file.
[00:33] <dutchie> hmm
[00:33] <dutchie> did you change translator visible content?
[00:34] <godbyk> dutchie: http://paste.ubuntu.com/415852/
[00:34] <godbyk> dutchie: yeah, I changed the text of a handful of paragraphs.
[00:34] <dutchie> hmm
[00:35] <dutchie> seeing as it is 00:34, I'm tempted to say just change it by hand
[00:35] <dutchie> then run po4a again so all the po files are updated
[00:36]  * godbyk has no idea what any of that means.
[00:36] <godbyk> :)
[00:37] <godbyk> I don't really understand the process.
[00:37] <dutchie> fire up your favourite editor and change the strings directly in po/ubuntu-manual.pot
[00:38] <godbyk> I thought that we generate a new .pot file. the pot file gets committed to the branch.  launchpad reads the new pot file. launchpad updates the translations stuff. then we can pull new po files from launchpad as translators fix the strings and translate new strings.
[00:38] <dutchie> that is the process
[00:38] <dutchie> but po4a is throwing a hissy fit
[00:39] <dutchie> so I'm suggesting we generate the pot file by hand
[00:39] <godbyk> hmm..
[00:39] <godbyk> okay.
[00:39] <godbyk> when was the pot last generated?
[00:40] <godbyk> (so I can see how far back to diff the branch.)
[00:40]  * godbyk thinks this is starting to get hairy.
[00:40] <dutchie> dunno
[00:40] <dutchie> read the log
[00:40] <godbyk> The Project-Id-Version line in the pot file says 772.. I'm guessing that's the rev.
[00:41] <dutchie> aha, knew there was a point in that line :)
[00:42] <godbyk> :-)
[00:44] <dutchie> how confident are you of not making a mess of this?
[00:46] <godbyk> dutchie: lol.. I'll let you know.  I'm editing the pot file now.
[00:46] <dutchie> it's just I'd quite like to go to bed
[00:47] <godbyk> lol
[00:48] <godbyk> well, I can leave it for you to handle in the morning, if that's better.
[00:48] <godbyk> there are a bunch of changes in the diff that don't apply to the pot file. (like .po files and title page svgs and whatnot)
[00:48] <dutchie> yeah
[00:48] <godbyk> right now I'm just looking at the diff in vim.
[00:49] <godbyk> If you have time in the morning, I'll just leave it for you to handle.
[00:49] <dutchie> will do
[00:49] <godbyk> I should still be around then.
[00:49] <godbyk> awesome.
[00:49]  * dutchie wonders how long it'll take for rhythmbox to compile
[00:50] <godbyk> my computer keeps running out of memory.. I need to close some browser tabs, I think.
[00:50] <dutchie> and whether my netbook or the launchpad ppa buildds will finish first
[00:50] <godbyk> (and then build a new computer. :-()
[00:51] <dutchie> right, bed
[00:51] <dutchie> night
[01:00] <godbyk> g'night
[01:34] <Daker> godbyk, ping
[01:35] <Daker> check that http://code.google.com/p/gummi/
[01:35] <godbyk> Daker: pong
[01:36] <godbyk> Daker: cool
[01:36] <Daker> very usefull for begineers
[01:38] <godbyk> I know that humphreybc was wanting to look into writing an editor that we can use for our project.
[01:38] <godbyk> Something that would make it easier for people to write latex code without having to deal with the code itself.
[01:38] <Daker> yes
[01:39] <Daker> you can give it a test ?
[01:44] <Daker> http://gummi.midnightcoding.org/
[02:25] <humphreybc> http://gummi.midnightcoding.org/
[02:28] <Daker> hi humphreybc
[02:28] <humphreybc> hey Daker
[02:28] <humphreybc> Gummi looks fantastic
[02:28] <humphreybc> i'm just installing it now, great find!
[02:28] <Daker> thanks
[02:29] <humphreybc> Daker, i'd like to put this video on the website: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6PWEGb9o6c
[02:29] <humphreybc> I'm thinking either the bottom of the "About" page
[02:29] <humphreybc> OR the top of the "Get Involved" page
[02:29] <humphreybc> what do you think?
[02:30] <Daker> euh
[02:31] <Daker> About page
[02:32] <humphreybc> okay
[02:32] <humphreybc> bottom of the about page, in the middle
[02:33] <humphreybc> It would be better if you could embed it and host it on our server, instead of just embedding the youtube video
[02:33] <humphreybc> then we don't get the ads and the copyright restrictions
[02:33] <Daker> i'll do
[02:34] <humphreybc> :)
[02:34] <humphreybc> I'll put the source video on my server
[02:34] <humphreybc> there will be another video for the Contributors page
[02:35] <godbyk> okay, the translations should be using the new thorwil-customized title pages (if they exist).  if they don't exist, it'll fall back on the English title page for now.
[02:36] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ump-advert.mp4 should do the trick
[02:36] <humphreybc> godbyk, nice
[02:36] <humphreybc> godbyk, did you see the ad?
[02:36] <godbyk> humphreybc: yeah.
[02:36] <humphreybc> thoughts?
[02:36] <Daker> flash can't mp4 i think
[02:36] <Daker> read*
[02:37] <godbyk> Daker: give me a moment, and I'll convert it to flash. my hosting provider has their own flash video thingy.
[02:37] <humphreybc> ok
[02:37] <humphreybc> you'll need to make it smaller
[02:37] <humphreybc> it's currently 720p so it'll need to be resized to fit into the content pane
[02:37] <humphreybc> if that's too much trouble I can have a look at rendering it smaller
[02:39] <godbyk> it'll resize it
[02:39] <godbyk> Daker: what size should we use?  there are some preset sizes I can choose from or we can specify our own custom size.
[02:39] <godbyk> here are the options:
[02:39] <godbyk> same as original
[02:40] <godbyk> 4:3: 160x120, 320x240, 480x360, 640x480
[02:40] <humphreybc> we'll want it 16:9
[02:41] <godbyk> widescreen: 360x240, 540x360, 720x480 (480p)
[02:41] <godbyk> then there are potrait (tall) sizes, too, but we probably don't want those.
[02:41] <Daker> godbyk, no ideas
[02:41] <humphreybc> lol
[02:41] <godbyk> 64, 96, or 128 kbit/s for audio?
[02:42] <humphreybc> daker, how wide is the content box?
[02:42] <godbyk> Daker: you have failed me! ;-)
[02:42] <humphreybc> 96 should work okay
[02:42] <humphreybc> i think 540x360 will fit
[02:42] <humphreybc> try 540x360 @ 96 kbit/s and we'll see how that works
[02:43] <godbyk> k
[02:43] <Daker> on the contributors page ?
[02:43] <humphreybc> nope
[02:43] <humphreybc> on the bottom of the about page
[02:44] <humphreybc> underneath the text "Click here to find out how you can get involved"
[02:44] <humphreybc> it should be centered
[02:44] <godbyk> I've submitted it for conversion.
[02:44] <godbyk> They'll email me when it's done.
[02:44] <humphreybc> neat
[02:44] <godbyk> humphreybc: your upload speeds are horrible. :)
[02:45]  * humphreybc is installing Gummi but it requires a tonne of dependencies 
[02:45] <humphreybc> godbyk, haha yes I know
[02:45] <Daker> Oh
[02:45] <humphreybc> how fast is it going?
[02:45] <godbyk> 75 K/s
[02:45] <humphreybc> that's not too bad!
[02:45] <humphreybc> 5 K/s would be horrible
[02:46] <godbyk> Takes 3.5 minutes to nab that 16 MB file.
[02:46] <godbyk> normally it'd take just a few seconds for me to download that much. :)
[02:46] <humphreybc> lol
[02:46] <humphreybc> boo hoo
[02:46] <Daker> humphreybc, 540x360 should be great
[02:46] <humphreybc> you'll have to download a 100mb file from the server in the next few days
[02:47] <humphreybc> daker, excellent!
[02:47] <godbyk> it's done
[02:47] <humphreybc> godbyk, can you stick it on your server and embed it in the page without having to put it in the branch?
[02:47] <godbyk> Daker, humphreybc: I emailed you the details on embedding it in the site.
[02:47] <Daker> oki
[02:48] <godbyk> humphreybc: nope 'cause it'll get overwritten when the branch updates (every 10 minutes)
[02:48] <godbyk> lemme know if you hit any snags.
[02:48] <humphreybc> ok
[02:48] <humphreybc> i'm not embedding it, daker is!
[02:49] <Daker> in the next 48hours
[02:49] <humphreybc> whoops i emailed it to daker again
[02:49] <humphreybc> lol
[02:49] <humphreybc> it reckons i need flash player to watch it
[02:49] <humphreybc> but YouTube and other flash things work fine
[02:50] <humphreybc> oh no there it goes
[02:50] <humphreybc> is that really widescreen?
[02:51] <godbyk> it's widescreen, but not 16:9, apparently.
[02:51] <humphreybc> lol okay
[02:51] <humphreybc> the proportions are screwed
[02:51] <godbyk> if someone gives me better dimensions I can reprocess it.
[02:52] <humphreybc> can you do a custom one?
[02:52] <humphreybc> okay
[02:52] <godbyk> sure.
[02:52] <humphreybc> try 640 x 360
[02:53] <godbyk> as long as it'll fit in the website width.
[02:54] <humphreybc> it should do
[02:54] <humphreybc> that should be just about perfect
[02:55] <humphreybc> ugh
[02:56] <godbyk> 'kay. it's converting now
[02:56] <humphreybc> Gummi depends on texlive
[02:56] <humphreybc> so we'd have to change it/repackage it to work with our version of latex
[02:56] <humphreybc> no wonder it was taking so long to download dependencies
[02:58] <godbyk> humphreybc, Daker: I've emailed you the new video stuff.
[02:59] <humphreybc> that's much better
[02:59] <godbyk> if we're aiming to use gummi for our manual, we'd probably want a custom build anyway. we don't want folks using the low-level bold, italics, etc. commands, for instance.
[02:59] <godbyk> (or at least, only in rare circumstances.)
[02:59] <humphreybc> indeed
[03:00] <humphreybc> we can look into that for the future
[03:01] <godbyk> we should also look at improving the translation process.
[03:02] <humphreybc> yea
[03:02] <humphreybc> so much to do!
[03:04] <godbyk> humphreybc: absolutely.
[03:04] <godbyk> Daker: did you figure out how to embed the video on the site? run into any problems?
[03:05] <Daker> don't worry
[03:05] <Daker> ;)
[03:06] <Daker> i'll use this player http://www.osflv.com/Demonstration.html
[03:07] <godbyk> Daker: what's wrong with the existing player?
[03:07] <humphreybc> nice, that's pretty
[03:08] <humphreybc> It's not open source?
[03:08] <Daker> this one http://www.osflv.com/Demonstration.html ?
[03:08] <godbyk> hmm.. the osflv one hates me, apparently.
[03:09] <godbyk> it's not actually playing the video.
[03:09] <godbyk> (I'm using Chrome)
[03:09] <godbyk> is it working for you guys or is it just me?
[03:09] <humphreybc> yeah working for me
[03:09] <humphreybc> i'm on chrome
[03:09] <godbyk> figures! :)
[03:09] <humphreybc> works well, even
[03:11] <Daker> godbyk, simply jwplayer is not opensource
[03:12]  * Daker is tired
[03:13] <humphreybc> godbyk, daker, after we take the countdown placeholder off the main page, where are we going to put links to our Facebook/Twitter etc?
[03:14]  * Daker is thinking
[03:15] <humphreybc> We could just a have a small horizontal list of them at the bottom of the finished index page
[03:18] <godbyk> okay, I restarted chrome and the flash player works now, but it's jerky. :-/
[03:18] <godbyk> the jwplayer one is working okay, though.
[03:18] <godbyk> not sure what's up.
[03:21] <godbyk> Hey, Daker.  In the current countdown site, I'm getting a bunch of errors like these in the error log file:
[03:21] <godbyk> [Fri Apr 16 19:00:29 2010] [error] [client 122.62.0.68] PHP Notice:  Undefined index:  quickshot in /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual/website/daker-countdown/includes/structure.php on line 89, referer: http://ubuntu-manual.org/contributors
[03:21] <godbyk> [Fri Apr 16 19:00:29 2010] [error] [client 122.62.0.68] PHP Notice:  Undefined index:  contributors in /home/godbyk/bzr/ubuntu-manual/website/daker-countdown/includes/structure.php on line 90, referer: http://ubuntu-manual.org/contributors
[03:22] <godbyk> just wanted to give you a heads-up.
[03:22] <godbyk> brb
[03:28] <Daker> thanks
[03:28] <Daker> night all
[03:28] <Daker> see you in few hours
[03:29] <humphreybc> night!
[03:33] <humphreybc> godbyk i've added a couple new items to the agenda for this meeting
[03:33] <humphreybc> have a look, and a hard think, see if you can come up with anything else we need to discuss
[03:33] <godbyk> back now
[03:34] <godbyk> 'kay, lemme look.
[03:35] <godbyk> We should probably discuss what's going to happen during the upcoming release.  The game plan.
[03:35] <godbyk> We also should talk about the second edition.. and start getting people working on that.
[03:35] <humphreybc> indeed
[03:35] <humphreybc> i'm just changing something
[03:35] <humphreybc> then you can add that :)
[03:35] <godbyk> 'kay.
[03:35] <godbyk> rats.  I'll be right back again.
[03:36] <humphreybc> lol ok
[03:36] <godbyk> (fixing dinner)
[03:36]  * humphreybc thought godbyk was hunting rats
[03:42] <godbyk> back again
[03:48] <godbyk> humphreybc: are you still editing the wiki?
[03:48] <humphreybc> nein
[03:48] <godbyk> k
[08:18] <ubuntujenkins> morning
[09:20] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: can you please remove 01-live-cd-welcome@pt_BR@1271467667.png
[09:57] <c7p> hello, i am using the quickshot live cd as the quickshot user, the problem is that i can't find the installation icon so as i can take the needed screenshots
[09:57] <c7p> any idea?
[09:57] <ubuntujenkins> c7p it should load the installer when you choose the first item of the install screenshots
[10:01] <c7p> the problem is that i took 3-4 first screenshots and then i should choose a disk to make the installation. So i closed the windows to add a usb stick to choose it as the installation disk
[10:02] <c7p> is there any command that you can call the installation programm?
[10:02] <ubuntujenkins> this is the easiest way to fix it, alt + f2 and type ubiquity --desktop %k gtk_ui
[10:03] <c7p> nice, everything ok now
[10:03] <c7p> thank you
[10:03] <ubuntujenkins> no problem
[10:38] <dutchie> morning
[10:39] <ubuntujenkins> moring dutchie
[10:39] <ubuntujenkins> *n
[13:30]  * humphreybc might have to catch a train from London to Brussels if this volcano keeps up!
[13:31] <dutchie> that's not that bad, and you definitely won't be alone
[13:31] <dutchie> i'm pretty sure at least popey is eurostarring it
[13:31] <humphreybc> yeah
[13:32] <humphreybc> i'll have to contact my travel agent if it doesn't look like it'll clear up
[13:32] <humphreybc> =\
[13:32] <humphreybc> i'd prefer the train
[13:32] <dutchie> how do you intend to get to london
[13:32] <humphreybc> means i could see more of europe
[13:32] <humphreybc> is heathrow closed?
[13:32] <dutchie> think so
[13:33] <popey> dutchie: i am
[13:33] <dutchie> pretty much all of northen europe was
[13:33] <humphreybc> bollocks
[13:33] <popey> the wiki details this
[13:33] <humphreybc> well, fingers crossed it gets better
[13:33] <popey> i cant see it going on that long
[13:33] <humphreybc> yeah, hopefully it won't
[13:33] <humphreybc> (mind you, we're not volcanologists :P )
[13:36] <humphreybc> http://www.flickr.com/photos/yahooeditorspicks/galleries/72157623855495574/
[13:40] <humphreybc> just out of interest, how long does it take on the train?
[13:43] <popey> from london to brussels?
[13:43] <humphreybc> ya
[13:44] <daker> hi
[13:44]  * popey checks his itinerary
[13:44] <popey> 18:25 hrs
[13:44] <popey> 21:30 hrs
[13:44] <daker> humphreybc, you didn't sleep ?
[13:44] <popey> 2 hours
[13:44] <humphreybc> oh nice
[13:44] <humphreybc> daker, no i've been at work :)
[13:48] <daker> what do you think about Gummi ?
[13:49] <humphreybc> daker, it looks cool but I haven't installed it yet because it depends on texlive
[13:49] <daker> oki
[14:03] <daker> humphreybc, i have an idea for the social links
[14:03] <daker> we can put a dock menu at the right or the left
[14:03] <humphreybc> daker: cool, what is it?
[14:03] <humphreybc> a dock?
[14:03] <humphreybc> hmm
[14:03] <daker> one sec
[14:05] <daker> http://www.ndesign-studio.com/demo/css-dock-menu/css-dock.html
[14:06] <dutchie> that's quite cool
[14:06] <humphreybc> that's really cool
[14:06] <humphreybc> it uses CSS?
[14:06] <dutchie> JS
[14:06] <humphreybc> kay
[14:07] <dutchie> press the magic "view source" button :)
[14:07] <humphreybc> shutup
[14:07] <humphreybc> :)
[14:08] <humphreybc> it's neat, not sure how it would look on the right or left though. we can try it?
[14:08] <humphreybc> you'd have to turn the rollover zoom level down a bit :P
[14:08] <daker> oki
[14:09] <daker> this is just to give you an idea
[14:09] <humphreybc> and you'd need to find lovely icons for Facebook, Twitter, Identi.ca, Planet Ubuntu Manual, ubuntu.com and our wiki :)
[14:09] <humphreybc> yeah, sure. Well go for it, I think it's cool
[14:09] <humphreybc> probably on the right
[14:10] <humphreybc> and we don't want it detracting from the site links
[14:10] <daker> oki
[14:10] <daker> i see
[14:10] <humphreybc> dutchie, what's last.fm?
[14:10] <dutchie> music streaming recommendation
[14:10] <humphreybc> daker: yeah so the navigation site links like "About" "Get Involved" etc are more important than the dock links
[14:10] <dutchie> humphreybc: that was quick ;)
[14:11] <humphreybc> ah. Can't really do music streaming on my connection
[14:11] <humphreybc> doesn't work too good
[14:17] <daker> hey how to reinstall a task with tasksel ?
[16:14] <daker> thorwil, ping
[16:14] <thorwil> warg!
[16:14] <daker> i need a service
[16:15] <daker> i need icons for the website
[16:15] <daker> Wiki, Facebook, Ubuntu Manual Planet ,  Twitter , IRC , Mailing List
[16:15] <daker> icons pls
[16:16] <daker> 32*32
[16:16] <thorwil> daker: where would those show up?
[16:17] <daker> at the left of all the pages
[16:19] <thorwil> daker: i don't think such links should be present on all pages. after all, the main job of the website is surely not to send people elsewhere. especially not the wiki
[16:22] <thorwil> daker: on top of that, i don't think expressing Wiki, Planet, IRC and Mailing List as icons is a good idea. Facebook and Twitter are not in that list only because there are established (learned) icons for them
[16:22] <thorwil> vish: ^ would you agree?
[16:23] <daker> thorwil, http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/17/%23ubuntu-manual.html#t03:13
[16:26] <ubuntujenkins> what about a more information page with them on?
[16:26] <thorwil> daker: the list at the bottom of http://ubuntu-manual.org/ is fine (except for the wrap on Ubuntu Manual Planet)
[16:27] <daker> possible
[16:29] <ubuntujenkins> I think the website looks nice an minimal and icons would clutter it up
[16:29] <ubuntujenkins> wow 11 days unitll the mnaual is released
[16:29] <daker> \o/
[16:30] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: does manualbot do a countdown for it yet?
[16:30] <thorwil> i won't create icons for them, because I see no way to make clear ones. icons where people can only guess are not nice and can only be excused in cases where there is not enough space for words
[16:31] <daker> thorwil, we will discuss this on the meeting
[16:32] <thorwil> daker: i won't be at the meeting, it's too late for me
[16:33] <daker> :s
[16:36] <ubuntujenkins> I am not sure how awake i will be fore the meeting, I can't think of what the icons would look like.
[16:36] <ubuntujenkins> *for
[16:37] <daker> i'll make something for to night
[16:52] <godbyk-android> Internet is currently offline here. I'm trying to get it resolved, but if I can't, I may not make it to the meeting this afternoon.
[16:53] <godbyk-android> or I'll connect through my phone and just won't be taking much. :-)
[16:54] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: no, but it shouldn't be too hard
[16:55] <godbyk-android> Hey, dutchie, did you get the translations updated?
[16:55] <dutchie> ooh, no
[16:55]  * dutchie does it
[16:56] <ubuntujenkins> feature request please dutchie
[16:57]  * godbyk-android is pondering how difficult it would be to root his phone and use it as a wireless access point.
[16:58] <godbyk-android> Not that it's connection is much better, apparently.
[17:03] <thorwil> http://www.azarask.in/blog/post/collaboration_made_simple_with_bracket_notation/
[17:10] <vish> thorwil: +1
[17:10] <vish> daker: if we are to use icons for those , we would need to use text to explain what the icons are and then having the icons becomes silly ;)
[17:10] <daker> yes yes i know
[17:10] <vish> thorwil: btw, why is the progress bar green on the left and red on the right?
[17:10] <daker> vish, that's me
[17:11] <vish> daker: the bar here http://ubuntu-manual.org/  ?
[17:11] <daker> yes
[17:11] <vish> daker: weird , might be better with the colors flipped :)
[17:11] <daker> if yes
[17:11] <thorwil> reminds me of peak meters
[17:12] <daker> thorwil, oki
[17:12] <thorwil> signal will be too hot once red is reached :)
[17:12] <vish> hehe , seems like a conky  ;)
[17:14] <thorwil> hmm, 11 days and there are rather few translations with significant progress
[17:15] <vish> for a few mins i was trying to figure out the clock and the time left :)
[17:16] <vish> then realized the clock might just be an icon ;)
[17:20] <daker> see you in the meeting
[17:30] <godbyk-android> Repair tech will be out wednesday afternoon.
[17:30] <godbyk-android> Not that it does me any good right now.
[17:30] <ubuntujenkins> thats a long time
[17:32] <godbyk-android> Yeah, and the internet will come back up on its own usually
[19:05] <godbyk> online again.
[19:05] <godbyk> we'll see how long it lasts.
[19:06] <thorwil> godbyk: welcome back. so what was with that Hulu thing?
[19:06] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I removed that file for you.
[19:06] <godbyk> thorwil: what hulu thing?
[19:07] <thorwil> godbyk: wrap-around cover
[19:07] <godbyk> thorwil: ah! lulu
[19:07] <godbyk> there's a calculator on their site.
[19:07] <godbyk> one moment
[19:08] <godbyk> thorwil: http://www.lulu.com/en/includes/calc_spine_inc.php?cid=us_bk
[19:10] <thorwil> godbyk: which binding? color? page count? standard grade paper?
[19:10] <godbyk> thorwil: yeah, I dunno yet.
[19:10] <thorwil> godbyk: the other question i had is if this would be english only
[19:11] <godbyk> my best guess is that it'll be 8.5x11, perfect bound, b&w, and standard grade paper.
[19:11] <godbyk> but I think we're going to decide on that during today's meeting.
[19:11] <thorwil> godbyk: if you make it to the meeting, you could also bring up the question of what should be on the backside
[19:12] <godbyk> Initially, it'll be just the English edition (since that's all we have right now). But we could do translated versions, too.
[19:12] <godbyk> thorwil: I'll do that (if my connection hangs in there)
[19:15] <thorwil> just added a note to the meeting agenda bout that
[19:16] <godbyk> thorwil: thanks
[20:52] <dutchie> godbyk: IT'S B0RKED
[20:52] <dutchie> FIX IT NOW
[20:54] <dutchie> godbyk: also, fix your intenet
[20:54] <godbyk_> dutchie: heh, I'm trying, believe it.  it's so frustrating!
[20:55] <godbyk_> I'm upstairs on my laptop leeching wifi from the neighbors now.
[20:55] <godbyk_> I asked the tech on the phone if they could replace my cable modem and also check the cable lines outside (as those are the only things they haven't done yet).
[20:55] <godbyk_> he said that they can't do that until the third tech has come out and worked on whatever.
[20:56] <godbyk_> he'll be here wednesday afternoon.
[20:56] <godbyk_> and I'm guessing that he'll simply cut the ends off the existing cables and replace them with new connectors (just like the previous two techs did).
[20:58] <dutchie> anyway, make: *** [main.pdf] Killed
[20:59] <godbyk> dutchie: Killed?  that's a new one.
[20:59] <dutchie> indeed :(
[20:59] <godbyk> it sounds like one of the processes died.
[21:00] <godbyk> have you ran 'make clean' and tried it again?
[21:00] <dutchie> yes
[21:00] <godbyk> what was the last thing it did before make gave up?
[21:00] <dutchie> pastebinning now
[21:00] <godbyk> k
[21:01] <dutchie> http://paste.ubuntu.com/416317/
[21:01] <godbyk> any bets on if/when humphreybc will show up? :)
[21:02] <godbyk> dutchie: that's weird.  run 'xelatex main' and see what it does.
[21:03] <dutchie> prints out a load of /usr/local/texlive/.../*.sty stuff then fails to find makecmds.sty
[21:04] <godbyk> dutchie: weird. run 'sudo tlmgr install makecmds'
[21:04] <godbyk> then try xelatex again.
[21:06] <dutchie> seems to be working
[21:06] <godbyk> 'kay.
[21:06] <godbyk> looks like makecmds isn't in my install-pkgs.sh script as a prereq.
[21:06] <godbyk> I didn't realize we needed it.  I'll look into it.
[21:06] <godbyk> dutchie: have you looked into updating the pot file yet?
[21:07] <dutchie> it ran to completion (complaining about references)
[21:07] <dutchie> godbyk: yeah, I get an error about reading from a file without a name
[21:07] <godbyk> dutchie: cool.  'make clean; make' should work now, then.
[21:07] <dutchie> yes, it's going along happily now
[21:08] <godbyk> what's the command you used to get that error? I'll try it on my laptop.
[21:08] <dutchie> I've forgotten now
[21:08] <dutchie> I'm reduced to my netbook after my laptop PSU exploded in a fit of sparks and smoke
[21:08] <godbyk> lovely
[21:09] <dutchie> /bin/bash: makeglossaries: command not found
[21:10] <godbyk> dutchie: run the install-pkgs.sh script.
[21:10] <godbyk> sounds like you're missing a few things.
[21:10] <dutchie> also, in non UMP stuff, you wouldn't happen to know how to get epstopdf installed from upstream TL?
[21:10] <dutchie> I did run the script
[21:11] <godbyk> dutchie: "sudo tlmgr install epstopdf" might work.
[21:11] <godbyk> also "sudo tlmgr install makeglossaries" to install that.
[21:11] <dutchie> Checking for executable file xindy...not found.
[21:11] <dutchie> then it installed it
[21:12] <godbyk> dutchie: you may need to apt-get install perl-tk; sudo tlmgr --gui; Actions menu > Symlinks blahblah > Update symlinks
[21:16] <dutchie> doing it
[21:16] <godbyk> k
[21:19] <godbyk> brb. going to reconnect to my own wifi as it looks like that connections back up (for who knows how long)
[21:19] <godbyk> neighbor's wifi is pretty slow (from here)
[21:20] <godbyk__> back
[21:21] <dutchie> got enough underscores?
[21:22] <ubuntujenkins> thanks for removing it godbyk
[21:22] <dutchie> godbyk: it got killed again
[21:22] <ubuntujenkins> have i missed much?
[21:27] <dutchie> godbyk: did you get that?
[21:27] <godbyk> dutchie: did I get what?
[21:27] <dutchie> make getting killed again
[21:28] <godbyk> xelatex again?
[21:28] <godbyk> and if you run "xelatex main"?
[21:28] <dutchie> it got further this time
[21:29] <godbyk> where'd it die now? if you want, you can pastebin the .log file.
[21:32] <dutchie> godbyk: I don't have a .log file :)
[21:32] <dutchie> it's back to what it did before
[21:33] <dutchie> ooh, it got killed
[21:33] <godbyk> dutchie: does 'xelatex main' work?
[21:33] <dutchie> no
[21:33] <dutchie> This is XeTeX, Version 3.1415926-2.2-0.9995.2 (TeX Live 2009)
[21:33] <dutchie> Killed
[21:34] <godbyk> uhh...
[21:34] <godbyk> Killed by whom? Why?
[21:34] <dutchie> dunno
[21:35] <godbyk> dutchie: create a file with these four lines in it:
[21:35] <godbyk> \documentclass{article}
[21:35] <godbyk> \begin{document}
[21:35] <godbyk> Hello, world!
[21:35] <godbyk> \end{document}
[21:35] <godbyk> then run 'xelatex myfile.tex' and see if it works.
[21:35] <godbyk> (should generate myfile.pdf)
[21:36] <dutchie> killed
[21:38] <godbyk> dutchie: here's my wild-ass guess: the xelatex binary is screwed up somehow and is segfaulting (or something), which is being reported as the process being killed.
[21:38] <dutchie> sounds plausible
[21:39] <godbyk> dutchie: maybe try 'sudo tlmgr install --reinstall xelatex'
[21:40] <godbyk> make sure it using the right binary (for the proper platform)
[21:49] <dutchie> are we going in here or #ubuntu-meeting
[21:50] <dutchie> godbyk: package xelatex not present in package repository.
[21:50] <dutchie> according to sudo tlmgr install --reinstall xelatex
[21:51] <godbyk> dutchie: sorry.. xetex
[21:52] <dutchie> ok, it's got the right arch at least
[21:52] <godbyk> that's good.
[21:53] <godbyk> hopefully reinstalling it will work.
[21:59] <ubuntujenkins> meeting in an hour right?
[22:01] <dutchie> godbyk: I think I've worked out the problem
[22:01] <dutchie> nothing to do with xelatex
[22:01] <dutchie> everything to do with me having no memory left :(
[22:01] <godbyk> aha.
[22:01] <godbyk> that'd do it.
[22:02] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: yep.
[22:13] <godbyk> the docs that exist in the System > Help and Support area.. are those written by the Ubuntu docs team?  Or just inherited from GNOME?
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: docs team
[22:13] <godbyk> and should my lucid installation have up-to-date docs there (i.e,. for lucid)?
[22:14] <ubuntujenkins> as far as i know
[22:15] <dutchie> godbyk: it's working now :)
[22:15] <dutchie> po4a --no-translations -MUTF-8 --copyright-holder="The Ubuntu Manual Team" --package-version=`bzr revno` --package-name=ubuntu-manual po4a.conf
[22:15] <godbyk> dutchie: great!
[22:15] <dutchie> ^^ that's the command, but it's decided to work for me now
[22:15] <godbyk> and that command updates the pot file?
[22:16] <dutchie> and the po files
[22:16] <godbyk> 'cause when I ran it yesterday it only updated the po files (and not the pot file)
[22:16] <dutchie> oh yeah
[22:16]  * dutchie will see what happens
[22:17] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: i want to scream a lot about these docs and the help system.
[22:17] <ubuntujenkins> I uninstalled them :P , I didn't know they existed untill i started on this project. I used google
[22:19] <godbyk> I was looking at them to see what names they're using for some applets, but the search function is completely useless.
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> the help system is soo slow
[22:19] <godbyk> and it's slow.
[22:19] <godbyk> took 5-10 seconds before anything appeared in the window on startup
[22:19] <godbyk> since search didn't help, I started browsing.
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> exactly, i always think its broken
[22:20] <godbyk> that was also a dead-end
[22:20] <godbyk> found what I thought would be helpful, except all the info was ancient.  (as in the screenshot looked like it was from 2001)
[22:20] <godbyk> okay, I'll be right back. I have to reboot.  (just installed tons of lucid updates.)
[22:25] <godbyk> 12 seconds to load the help this time.
[22:25] <ubuntujenkins> are you looking for something in particular
[22:26] <godbyk> I started out poking around to see if they have an official (public) name for the MeMenu.
[22:26] <godbyk> but no mention of that at all.
[22:26] <godbyk> at least not in any of the places I looked in the help.
[22:26] <dutchie> godbyk: try asking #ubuntu-desktop
[22:27] <godbyk> dutchie: thanks
[22:27] <godbyk> I'm also just poking around to see what they've got in there.
[22:44] <dutchie> godbyk: it seems to have updated the pot file
[22:45] <dutchie> but jesus christ, is that a big diff
[22:45] <dutchie> $ bzr diff | wc -l
[22:45] <dutchie> 1009450
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> will the translators be angry?
[22:46] <ubuntujenkins> thats a lot of changes
[22:47] <dutchie> most of it is line refs, so not a big worry
[22:47] <dutchie> evening humphreybc
[22:48] <humphreybc> hey josh, that was quick
[22:48] <ubuntujenkins> hello humphreybc
[22:48] <humphreybc> morning :)
[22:48] <humphreybc> obviously you two aren't out partying on your saturday night and have chosen instead to attend a meeting on IRC :)
[22:48] <humphreybc> good choice :)
[22:48] <daker> brb
[22:49] <ubuntujenkins> yep, I have lots of uni stuff to do. so need sleep afterwards
[22:49] <dutchie> humphreybc: I did my partying on a thursday night, and my cultural theatre trips on a friday night :)
[22:50] <humphreybc> hahaha
[22:50] <humphreybc> nice
[22:50] <godbyk> dutchie: yeah, I noticed when it fiddled with the .po files that it moved all the :linenum to its own line (whereas it was on the previous line with the filename before). what's up with that?
[22:50] <dutchie> godbyk: po4a has its own preferences for where the line numbers go
[22:50] <dutchie> nothing to read into it really
[22:50] <godbyk> I see.
[22:51] <dutchie> might look at getting some sort of patch going to deflate the diffs a bit
[22:51] <godbyk> and we want to ignore changes that po4a makes to the .po files, right?
[22:51] <dutchie> doesn't matter really
[22:51] <godbyk> launchpad doesn't bother with the .po files?
[22:52] <godbyk> it'd also make the diff smaller (and help keep the bzr repository trim), wouldn't it?
[22:52] <dutchie> it does import changes
[22:53] <dutchie> so someone could use a different translation tool than rosetta, and they'd end up being imported by LP on uploades
[22:53] <dutchie> -e
[22:53] <dutchie> right, pushed
[22:55] <godbyk> okay.. so it sounds like after running po4a (to update the po and pot files), we should run 'bzr revert po/*.po' or something so we ignore the changes to the po files (before committing/pushing)?
[22:55] <godbyk> or am I misunderstanding?
[22:55] <dutchie> there's no reason we shouldn't, but it doesn't feel right for some reason
[22:57] <godbyk> my thinking is that the .po files that po4a modifies are already out of date.
[22:58] <dutchie> that's why it modifies them, in a way
[22:58] <godbyk> so we should ignore them entirely and just pull fresh copies from launchpad.
[22:58] <godbyk> what modifications does it do (aside from line numbers)?
[22:59]  * dutchie checks the diff
[22:59] <dutchie> it fiddles about with the whitespace
[22:59] <dutchie> and it scraps all the old out of date stuff
[22:59] <humphreybc> everyone in #ubuntu-meeting?