| YokoZar | ScottK: so the revolution R people are JUST NOW sending me their packages... | 00:07 |
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| MTeck-ricer | So.. how do you make a package for the kernel? | 01:52 |
| MTeck-ricer | Or is it pretty much just like any other package? | 01:53 |
| crimsun | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/KernelMaintenance | 01:53 |
| crimsun | pretty much, just read the knowledgebase | 01:53 |
| crimsun | meaning: "essentially you need to read the KB" | 01:54 |
| crimsun | not: "it's essentially the same as any other package" | 01:54 |
| MTeck-ricer | crimsun: I don't get what you mean, is there a wiki or anything? | 01:54 |
| MTeck-ricer | :P | 01:54 |
| MTeck-ricer | crimsun: thanks | 01:55 |
| CTho | what is the distinction between PPA and backports? | 02:00 |
| CTho | or, why would a package only be in a PPA? | 02:00 |
| crimsun | sometimes it doesn't make sense to continuously push to $release-backports | 02:02 |
| crimsun | e.g., daily builds of $package | 02:02 |
| CTho | so does the frequency of firefox patches push it above that threshold? | 02:03 |
| crimsun | I don't understand your intended question | 02:03 |
| CTho | why is firefox 3.6 not in backports? | 02:03 |
| crimsun | for which release? | 02:03 |
| CTho | security patches are too often? | 02:03 |
| CTho | karmic | 02:04 |
| MTeck-ricer | crimsun: wow | 02:04 |
| crimsun | are you not using the ubuntu mozillateam security ppa? | 02:04 |
| MTeck-ricer | crimsun: there's a LOT to that... | 02:04 |
| crimsun | ^^ CTho | 02:04 |
| crimsun | CTho: also, backports is not intended for security. | 02:05 |
| CTho | crimsun: should that be set by default? | 02:05 |
| crimsun | CTho: you're asking questions that I can't answer for an entire distribution. | 02:05 |
| CTho | i'm apparently not using the mozillateam ppa | 02:06 |
| ScottK | You shouldn't need to. | 02:13 |
| ScottK | Security fixes get pushed via the regular updates process. | 02:13 |
| ScottK | Ubuntu backports are part of the Ubuntu distribution and you can be assured that anything in an Ubuntu backport has been checked by an Ubuntu developer. | 02:14 |
| ScottK | Anyone can have a backport and put anything in it they want, so you need to evaluate them indifvidually and determine if you trust them. | 02:14 |
| ScottK | PPAs are not part of Ubuntu. | 02:14 |
| wgrant | ScottK: Did you mean 'Anyone can have a *PPA*'? | 02:16 |
| ScottK | wgrant: I did. Thanks | 02:16 |
| ScottK | Long day. | 02:16 |
| wgrant | Heh. | 02:16 |
| funkyHat | Is it still worth working through FTBFS packages at this stage? | 02:26 |
| wgrant | funkyHat: Yes. | 02:54 |
| wgrant | The fewer FTBFSes we have, the easier LTS is going to be. | 02:54 |
| wgrant | If we need to do an SRU or security update on a package that we can't build, we are in trouble. | 02:54 |
| funkyHat | Just finished bug #565152 -- doesn't look like it will be relevant to debian unfortunately as they have a separate ftbfs relating to gcc 4.5 | 03:38 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 565152 in memcached "1.4.2-1ubuntu2 FTBFS in Lucid" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565152 | 03:38 |
| imbrandon | ouch not good i need memcached /me looks | 03:44 |
| imbrandon | funkyHat: i havent looked at the debdiff yet, but i noticed you say in the bug that you changed a bit of code, you did this via a patch file hopefully, correct ? | 03:46 |
| imbrandon | funkyHat: i actualy would like to see that fixed too so if it all works after a bit of testing i'll sponsor it for ya | 03:47 |
| funkyHat | imbrandon: yes, there were already some patches in the package so I added a new one. It's using quilt | 03:47 |
| imbrandon | funkyHat: great, give me about ~30 min to look it over etc and i'll sponsor if its ready | 03:47 |
| funkyHat | imbrandon: great ⢁) | 03:47 |
| ScottK | IIRC there was a memcached upload earlier today. | 04:13 |
| ScottK | Ah, which didn't build either | 04:14 |
| * ScottK lart's zul. | 04:14 | |
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| imbrandon | lol | 04:17 |
| imbrandon | this one looks fine, still doing a cursory test build though | 04:18 |
| imbrandon | funkyHat: looks good build / test install finished fine, patch looks sane, i'm just gonna update your changelog entry to be a bit more desciptive and upload , ok ? | 04:19 |
| * imbrandon is really suprised memcached isnt in main | 04:21 | |
| wgrant | It's odd, yes. | 04:22 |
| wgrant | Particularly since LP uses it now., | 04:22 |
| ScottK | Then that's probably a bug. | 04:22 |
| ScottK | But if Canonical IS doesn't care, why should I? | 04:23 |
| wgrant | Heh. | 04:23 |
| imbrandon | lol | 04:23 |
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| imbrandon | funkyHat: uploaded | 04:26 |
| imbrandon | wgrant: just out of curiosity ( if you know ) what does LP use to run its python stack ? apache ? | 04:27 |
| imbrandon | err apache2 + mod_* | 04:28 |
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| ScottK | Not in the queue yet. | 04:30 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: [ubuntu/lucid] memcached 1.4.2-1ubuntu3 (Waiting for approval) | 04:31 |
| wgrant | imbrandon: haproxy in front of Apache in front of a Zope server running on Twisted. | 04:32 |
| ScottK | There it is. Let me have a look.... | 04:32 |
| imbrandon | wgrant: ahh sounds like a fun job for the IS guys/gals | 04:32 |
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| ScottK | Nice. | 04:34 |
| ScottK | imbrandon and funkyHat: Accepted. | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: thanks | 04:34 |
| imbrandon | funkyHat: and thanks for looking at the bug | 04:34 |
| * ScottK hearts queuediff | 04:34 | |
| imbrandon | i have fell in love with offlineimap, i have no idea why i never used the GREAT tool untill this week | 04:35 |
| persia | You were participating in the movement to avoid email at all costs? | 04:36 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: Would you mind taking a look at libgda4 and making a recommendation. It's FTBFS in lucas_' rebuild and we're several upstream versions behind. What's the shortest/safest path to something that builds. | 04:36 |
| imbrandon | persia: lol | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: sure | 04:37 |
| ScottK | Thanks. | 04:37 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: upstream or upstream;upstream ? ( did that make sense ? e.g. Debian or further up ) | 04:39 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: Debian. | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | k | 04:39 |
| imbrandon | my gut says a sync but lemme look at our deltas and such though | 04:40 |
| imbrandon | ( havent even looked yet ) | 04:40 |
| wgrant | ScottK: That reminds me. I should see how hard it is to hook the diffs up into the UI. | 04:41 |
| * wgrant suspects three lines of template should do it. | 04:41 | |
| ScottK | Nice. | 04:41 |
| imbrandon | dget http://ftp.de.debian.org/debian/pool/main/libg/libgda4/libgda4_4.0.8-1.dsc | 04:57 |
| imbrandon | err | 04:57 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: it looks like it can be just a solid sync, they have adopted all our deltas ( even the ones they dident need specifcly for debian , how nice of them ) BUT it might ftbfs on x86_64 | 05:00 |
| imbrandon | thats what i'm checking now | 05:00 |
| imbrandon | per lp bug 537379 | 05:00 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 537379 in libgda4 "Sync libgda4 4.0.8-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/537379 | 05:00 |
| ScottK | OK. | 05:00 |
| ScottK | Also look at the rdepends and see if it might affect any of them negatively. | 05:00 |
| imbrandon | yup | 05:01 |
| imbrandon | suprisingly it has very few rdepends, but ya checkign them | 05:03 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: BTW, this one is in Main, so it's useful for your core-dev reactivation | 05:07 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: i noticed ;) | 05:12 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: looks like it builds fine on x86_64 too | 05:56 |
| imbrandon | dunno why it is not in debian | 05:56 |
| ScottK | Cool | 05:56 |
| imbrandon | anyhow looks like a solid sync, all deltas are accounted for, i'll say so on the bug | 05:56 |
| imbrandon | if you wanna do the honors | 05:56 |
| imbrandon | rdepends are also fine | 05:56 |
| imbrandon | there are only 3 real ones and none will be affected | 05:56 |
| imbrandon | done | 05:58 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: File the sync request then and give me the bug number so I can ack it. | 05:59 |
| ScottK | Explain how much you tested it | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | ok | 05:59 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: bug 537379 | 06:08 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 537379 in libgda4 "Sync libgda4 4.0.8-1 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Low,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/537379 | 06:08 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: Ack'ed. Thanks. | 06:11 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: Want another one? | 06:11 |
| imbrandon | sure | 06:13 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: How about flite3 ee http://udd.debian.org/cgi-bin/ubuntu_ftbfs.cgi | 06:18 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: err flite 1.3-release-2 | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | k | 06:19 |
| imbrandon | strange ver nums ;) | 06:20 |
| imbrandon | sf.net hosts thinkgeek ? wow never knew | 06:21 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: please check bug 565207 | 07:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 565207 in flite "Sync flite flite-1.4-release-2 (main) from Debian unstable (main)" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565207 | 07:14 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: btw per the jorge and planet ... | 07:27 |
| * imbrandon hugs ScottK | 07:27 | |
| imbrandon | ScottK: bug updated ( FFe info added ) | 07:49 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: ping | 08:17 |
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| dutchie | hi, I'm looking at pushing a fix to bug 64917 into my ppa. I've added a libwebkit-dev Build-Depends: into the debian/control.in file, but I can't work out how to regenerate the debian/control file from it | 11:46 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 64917 in rhythmbox "Description of podcast episodes doesn't support HMTL formatting" [Wishlist,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/64917 | 11:46 |
| chrisccoulson | dutchie - the debian/control file should be regenerated automatically when you build the source package (debuild -S) | 11:54 |
| chrisccoulson | AFAIR it's regenerated as part of the clean target | 11:54 |
| dutchie | ok | 11:55 |
| chrisccoulson | dutchie - /usr/share/gnome-pkg-tools/1/rules/uploaders.mk has the hook for regenerating it, in case you are curious | 11:58 |
| dutchie | cool, thanks | 11:58 |
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| lfaraone | Would any MOTU have a chance to approve the merge of a SRU to {Karmic, Jaunty, Intrepid} in bug 301190? (already been approved by ~ubuntu-sru) | 16:01 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 301190 in etoys "etoys does not launch" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301190 | 16:01 |
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| kobrien | can someone review a patch for me in lucid libruby? | 16:48 |
| kobrien | bug 561432 | 16:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 561432 in ruby1.8 "Improper undefined method error" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561432 | 16:49 |
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| kobrien | lfaraone: thanks | 18:33 |
| lfaraone | kobrien: no problem. looks fine, but I'm not a MOTU :) | 18:35 |
| kobrien | lfaraone: ah, I see. so what happens next? | 18:37 |
| lfaraone | kobrien: we wait for a sponsor (who *is* a MOTU) to go through the sponsorship list and commit your fix. | 18:38 |
| hyperair | lfaraone: you aren't? i thought you were. | 18:38 |
| kobrien | hyperair: are you? | 18:38 |
| * hyperair is. | 18:38 | |
| hyperair | a motu with no time. | 18:39 |
| kobrien | I see, I know my patch works. Wouldn't take long :). | 18:39 |
| hyperair | wait until after my exams and i'll look through anything you like. | 18:39 |
| lfaraone | hyperair: heh, thanks, feel free to mention that on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LukeFaraone/MOTUApp when you *do* have time :) | 18:39 |
| kobrien | lol, I know the feeling | 18:39 |
| hyperair | lfaraone: sure ;-) | 18:39 |
| hyperair | kobrien: glad you understand =) | 18:39 |
| kobrien | hyperair: I've got 2.5 weeks to finish off my project and thesis. :) | 18:40 |
| lfaraone | hyperair: actually, I just remembered ruby is in main, so we'll need to snag a core dev. | 18:40 |
| kobrien | well, I'm sure a motu will get to it. As soon as the thesis is done, I'm full steam for becoming a motu. :) | 18:41 |
| hyperair | kobrien: i've got 6 days to cover 2 months worth of study backlog ;-) | 18:41 |
| kobrien | RoAkSoAx: ping | 18:41 |
| RoAkSoAx | kobrien, pong | 18:41 |
| kobrien | hyperair: good luck | 18:41 |
| hyperair | kobrien: thanks | 18:41 |
| * lfaraone seconds kobrien wrt hyperair. | 18:41 | |
| hyperair | lfaraone: thanks | 18:42 |
| RoAkSoAx | kobrien, how may I help you | 18:42 |
| kobrien | RoAkSoAx: are you a motu? | 18:42 |
| hyperair | i guess that's how grim my situation is eh >_> | 18:42 |
| RoAkSoAx | kobrien, yep | 18:42 |
| kobrien | good you review a patch for me? | 18:42 |
| kobrien | could* | 18:42 |
| RoAkSoAx | kobrien, bug? | 18:42 |
| lfaraone | kobrien: you don't just need a motu, you need a core dev. | 18:42 |
| RoAkSoAx | bug #? | 18:42 |
| lfaraone | RoAkSoAx: bug 561432 | 18:42 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 561432 in ruby "Improper undefined method error" [Undecided,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561432 | 18:42 |
| kobrien | oh ok, I misunderstood | 18:42 |
| lfaraone | kobrien: I misspoke earlier, no worries. | 18:43 |
| RoAkSoAx | kobrien, ruby is in main so you'll need a core dev | 18:44 |
| kobrien | RoAkSoAx: thanks. Seeing as how someone has subscribed "ubuntu sponsors" and "ruby motu" to the bug, do I need to do anything more? | 18:45 |
| geser | be patient :) | 18:46 |
| kobrien | cool cool. :) | 18:46 |
| lfaraone | geser: hm. that won't make it into lucid, will it... | 18:47 |
| RoAkSoAx | kobrien, nope, just wait for someone to review it and upload it | 18:47 |
| kobrien | RoAkSoAx: cheers | 18:47 |
| lfaraone | RoAkSoAx: but while we have your attention, could you review the merge proposals for SRUing bug 301190 ? | 18:47 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 301190 in etoys "etoys does not launch" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301190 | 18:47 |
| geser | lfaraone: hard to tell | 18:47 |
| lfaraone | RoAkSoAx: (it's the same change in each SRU, and I tested/built each in their own VM) | 18:48 |
| RoAkSoAx | lfaraone, ok will take a look at it | 18:50 |
| lfaraone | RoAkSoAx: thanks :) | 18:50 |
| kobrien | eh, someone has changed my bug to wishlist but I really don't agree. | 18:53 |
| kobrien | feedback? | 18:53 |
| kobrien | ah, it's RoAkSoAx :) | 18:54 |
| RoAkSoAx | kobrien, whenever you subscribe to ubuntu-sponsors you changed the bug to confirmed, and if possible, to wishlist | 18:55 |
| kobrien | i see, so is it still considered a bug, cause it is incorrect behaviour of the code? | 18:55 |
| RoAkSoAx | lfaraone, I'd get approvel from ubuntu-sru first, and then I'll sponsor your upload. And could you please provide buildlogs (of PPAs if possible) to test it? | 18:56 |
| lfaraone | RoAkSoAx: uh, I thought persia approved it when he accepted the SRU request. Did I miss something? | 18:56 |
| RoAkSoAx | lfaraone, i dont see any sru ack | 18:57 |
| persia | I didn't approve anything but the nomination. | 18:58 |
| RoAkSoAx | lfaraone, ^^ | 18:58 |
| RoAkSoAx | kobrien, yes whenever you subscribe to ubuntu-sponsors mark the bug as confirmed | 19:00 |
| kobrien | RoAkSoAx: personally I can't | 19:00 |
| RoAkSoAx | kobrien, btw... I just saw that ruby1.8 is using a patch system. You should make your change in a patch | 19:01 |
| kobrien | RoAkSoAx: debdiff won't work? there's a link in the bugreport to a ruby site with a patch. | 19:02 |
| RoAkSoAx | kobrien, yes you have to attache the debdiff, however, you are modifying the source directly. You need to create a patch and make the change in the patch | 19:03 |
| kobrien | RoAkSoAx: ah, I've found docs, ok. thanks | 19:06 |
| RoAkSoAx | kobrien, i have unsubscribe your bug from ubuntu-sponsors for now, subscribe again when you made the proper changes.. | 19:07 |
| kobrien | RoAkSoAx: ok, understood | 19:08 |
| lfaraone | persia: my apologies. would you have time to review the attached branches? | 19:53 |
| persia | lfaraone: I can't approve an SRU: you really want someone in the SRU team. | 19:56 |
| lfaraone | jdong: poke. | 20:01 |
| jdong | lfaraone: yeah, what bug number? | 20:03 |
| lfaraone | jdong: bug 301190 | 20:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 301190 in etoys "etoys does not launch" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/301190 | 20:04 |
| jdong | *looking* | 20:05 |
| jdong | apologies, I'm a bit behind in my SRU bug tracking. | 20:05 |
| lfaraone | jdong: no problem, I only posted it two days ago :) | 20:06 |
| jdong | lfaraone: ok, you've got a SRU ack :) | 20:07 |
| jdong | I do like the shiny new workflow with bzr :) | 20:07 |
| lfaraone | jdong: you and me both. I detested debdiffs, and the pretty colors make it easy to review. | 20:12 |
| lfaraone | RoAkSoAx: see above :) | 20:12 |
| hyperair | debdiffs rock. | 20:12 |
| jdong | lol and I started a war ;-) | 20:12 |
| hyperair | ;-) | 20:12 |
| lfaraone | hyperair: but when you need to make a fix you need to build a new source package, generate the debdiff, upload it as an attachment... :P | 20:12 |
| lfaraone | (vs. "commit, push, wait") | 20:13 |
| hyperair | lfaraone: actually no you don't. | 20:13 |
| hyperair | lfaraone: the thing about debdiffs are that... they are diffs. | 20:13 |
| hyperair | lfaraone: any -p1 diff would do. | 20:13 |
| lfaraone | hyperair: good point :) | 20:13 |
| hyperair | my workflow is: git diff <old-tag>, and fire off an email | 20:13 |
| lfaraone | well, we'll have both methods working for the immediate future; I don't think anybody's suggesting we dump them, I just think new people may find it easier. But I should shut up, since I havne't done testing. | 20:14 |
| hyperair | lfaraone: there are many who share that opinion | 20:15 |
| hyperair | lfaraone: but i just dislike bzr. | 20:15 |
| * ScottK tried the new way and found it slower and more complex so far. | 20:21 | |
| directhex | ScottK, i tried it, then hyperair informed me (correctly) that the bzr branch on launchpad wasn't the same as the package in the archive. which annoyed me | 20:27 |
| ScottK | I can imagine. | 20:28 |
| directhex | given i'd spent my time preparing a bunch of changes which were already in the archive but not in bzr | 20:28 |
| lfaraone | directhex: interesting. usually it is only 12h behind or so. | 20:29 |
| Laney | 12h is way more than 0h | 20:30 |
| lfaraone | Laney: ideally, we'd use push mirroring :) | 20:30 |
| directhex | it's a good thing we don't have a release coming, or an un-warned 12h delay between developer doing one thing and being able to make changes to it would be vexatious | 20:30 |
| hyperair | i imagine it must take 12 hours to import all the changes made in the archive into the bzr trees >_> | 20:30 |
| Laney | I just accidently put Britain's Got Talent on | 20:31 |
| * Laney scrubs eyes with acid | 20:31 | |
| hyperair | lol | 20:31 |
| * ScottK notes a distressing lack of stuff to review in the queue. Please fix stuff. | 20:31 | |
| * Rhonda sighs. | 20:31 | |
| hyperair | ScottK: if you have main upload privileges go upload indicator-application please =p | 20:31 |
| directhex | Laney, i thought that wasn't until thursday evening | 20:32 |
| Laney | dunno, check ITV1 if you dare | 20:32 |
| ScottK | I do, but I'm not going to touch that one. Also, stuff I upload, I can't accept. | 20:32 |
| Rhonda | ScottK: Good that I asked you to sync wesnoth 1:1.8-1 right ahead, seems my support for parallel build in 1:1.8-2 is giving troubles, at least on Debian buildds. %-/ | 20:32 |
| directhex | IT'S A FUNNY POLITICS JOKE | 20:32 |
| hyperair | heheh | 20:32 |
| Laney | oh | 20:32 |
| Laney | :( | 20:32 |
| ScottK | Rhonda: I was about to ask. | 20:32 |
| hyperair | ScottK: oh yeah, i filed a sync request about nautilus-share. | 20:33 |
| ScottK | Rhonda: Is there anything in -2 we should cherrypick for a -1ubunu1 upload? | 20:33 |
| Rhonda | ScottK: The two patches that I pulled from upstream would make a lot of sense, yes. | 20:34 |
| hyperair | bug #565418 | 20:34 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 565418 in nautilus-share "Sync nautilus-share (main) 0.7.2-13 from Debian Unstable" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/565418 | 20:34 |
| ScottK | hyperair: It's best to wait for an archive admin with shell access to deal with the syncs. | 20:34 |
| hyperair | ScottK: okay. | 20:35 |
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| ScottK | Rhonda: If we could get a bug with a debdiff, then we could get that going. | 20:35 |
| hyperair | ScottK: i think it still needs an ack from someone with main-upload-privileges though. | 20:35 |
| ScottK | hyperair: I don't really know enough about Gnome stuff to have an opinion. | 20:35 |
| hyperair | ScottK: alright then | 20:36 |
| Laney | how does the rcbugs page look? | 20:38 |
| lfaraone | it's always interesting to see "ubuntu1) karmic" in debian changelogs :) http://packages.debian.org/changelogs/pool/main/n/ncpfs/ncpfs_2.2.6-7/changelog.html | 20:38 |
| Laney | looks like those changes should have been forwarded | 20:39 |
| lfaraone | Laney: they were merged back, yes. | 20:39 |
| ScottK | Laney: Lots of bugs on it. | 20:39 |
| * lfaraone is currently looking at syncing ncpfs. | 20:39 | |
| Laney | pulled though, not pushed | 20:39 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: can you take a look at bug #542634 please? I'm a little bit lost there :/ | 20:45 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 542634 in zope.security "Add python-zope.security-untrustedpython metapackage" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/542634 | 20:45 |
| ScottK | Sure. | 20:45 |
| sistpoty | thanks | 20:45 |
| * ScottK is confused too. | 20:48 | |
| * imbrandon is always confused | 20:50 | |
| ScottK | sistpoty: Let's see if we can get an opinion from doko | 20:50 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: did you see my note about libgda ? | 20:50 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: I did. I subscribed the release team. I think it's reasonable, but didn't want to decide all by myself | 20:50 |
| imbrandon | k | 20:50 |
| imbrandon | bdrung: ping ( re: apt-mirror ) | 20:51 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: sorry that I didn't comment on it, but I don't know that part well enough | 20:51 |
| sistpoty | k, thanks ScottK and ajmitch | 20:52 |
| ajmitch | zope has further turned into small piles of black magic :) | 20:53 |
| imbrandon | lol | 20:53 |
| lfaraone | ajmitch: it's always been magic :P | 20:54 |
| ajmitch | but they've cut it up into smaller piles | 20:54 |
| ajmitch | ScottK: do you know if ~ubuntu-archive is still syncing packages? | 20:54 |
| bdrung | imbrandon: pong | 20:55 |
| ScottK | ajmitch: It's a matter if someone has time. | 20:55 |
| ScottK | Should be so. | 20:55 |
| ajmitch | so I have to bribe someone, or perhaps change the importance away from wishlist | 20:55 |
| ScottK | Just put something suitable RC sounding in the description. | 20:56 |
| ajmitch | "package is burnt toast with php 5.3" | 20:56 |
| imbrandon | bdrung: i seen you applied ( and authored ) a few patches in apt-mirror, just wanted to let you know i have commited those to upstreams svn today | 20:57 |
| imbrandon | so they will be in the next release ( maybe today if i can get the other patches ready ) | 20:57 |
| bdrung | imbrandon: great | 20:58 |
| ScottK | bdrung: Is Audacious all sorted out? | 20:58 |
| bdrung | imbrandon: one thing that does not work properly: killing apt-mirror with ctrl+c (it kills only a subprocess) | 20:59 |
| bdrung | ScottK: no, two bugs remain: bug #564087 and #564092 | 20:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 564087 in g15daemon-audacious "FTBFS against audacious 2.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/564087 | 20:59 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 564092 in xmp "FTBFS against audacious 2.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/564092 | 20:59 |
| imbrandon | bdrung: probably, never thought about it being run interactively, my mindset is normaly run as a cron, but yea i'll have a look at that | 21:00 |
| ScottK | sistpoty: Since you approved the audacious FFe, I think you should help with those. | 21:00 |
| bdrung | imbrandon: thanks | 21:00 |
| lfaraone | bdrung: hm. whenever I kill it, the network IO stops, so I assume the threads die with it. | 21:00 |
| sistpoty | crap, that's what you got for only checking rdepends but not build-rdepends | 21:00 |
| lfaraone | but the lockfile does not go away :) | 21:00 |
| imbrandon | lfaraone: yea the lockfile bug is fixed in svn now | 21:01 |
| * sistpoty fixes | 21:01 | |
| ScottK | excellent. | 21:02 |
| bdrung | sistpoty: and i forgot to check it completely. | 21:10 |
| sistpoty | well, yeah, things happen... :( | 21:10 |
| bdrung | lfaraone: do you use the latest version? | 21:10 |
| lfaraone | bdrung: no, I mean the version in karmic. Is there a behavioral change in this regard in Lucid? | 21:12 |
| ScottK | sistpoty: I'd appreciate your opinion on Bug 561631. | 21:13 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 561631 in libpcap "Lucid Sync-Request FFE libpcap version 1.1.1" [Undecided,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561631 | 21:13 |
| sistpoty | *looking* | 21:13 |
| bdrung | lfaraone: yes, the lock file removal is fixed in lucid | 21:14 |
| imbrandon | yes, and once 0.4.7 is out i'm going to do a -backport, just need to find enough fingers to get it all done ;) | 21:17 |
| bdrung | imbrandon: backport? | 21:18 |
| imbrandon | for apt-mirror to older supported releases | 21:18 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: libpcap is in main, and has very many rdepends, I fear I'll need to thouroughly review the entire diff | 21:18 |
| ScottK | sistpoty: I think it's worth considering, but I don't know enough to really decide. | 21:19 |
| bdrung | imbrandon: which releases? | 21:29 |
| imbrandon | bdrung: all that are still under support, should be fairly simple given the lax dependencys | 21:31 |
| crimsun | sistpoty: it's a bit big for my comfort, but I understand the discomfort with carrying the current version for 5 years, too. | 21:31 |
| crimsun | sistpoty: I'm happy to help; there seem to be only 3 source packages that b-d on libpcap0.8-dev | 21:32 |
| crimsun | 3 in main, that is | 21:33 |
| sistpoty | crimsun: sure, any help is welcome | 21:35 |
| sistpoty | crimsun: can you test the 3 packages in main? | 21:35 |
| crimsun | sistpoty: sure. I'll work on that in about seven hours for a stretch | 21:36 |
| sistpoty | excellent, thanks crimsun | 21:36 |
| sistpoty | crimsun: and if you find anything other noteworthy, just add a comment to the FFe in question | 21:37 |
| ScottK | geser: You TIL rbot. There's a security fix in Debian I think we'd want. Would you please have a look at a merge? | 22:00 |
| geser | ScottK: can do. Does the switch to v3 format need a FFe? | 22:03 |
| ScottK | geser: No. | 22:03 |
| ScottK | If that's going to cause problems it'll almost certainly fail to build and we'll know | 22:04 |
| geser | ScottK: merged | 22:20 |
| ScottK | geser: Thanks. I'll accept it when it hits the queue. | 22:20 |
| * ScottK looks at http://qa.ubuntuwire.com/bugs/rcbugs/ and invites others to find fixes we could benifit from. | 22:22 | |
| geser | ScottK: do you know if sync requests will be processed in time or should packages get synced with the syncpackage script? | 22:26 |
| ScottK | I don't know for sure, but I think they will. | 22:27 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: commented on libpcap. I think I'm ok with getting it in, but I'd like someone else take a look at it as well (crimsun maybe?) and see testing of all rdepends in main | 22:42 |
| ScottK | sistpoty: OK. Please ask for that in the bug. I think we should let slangasek make the final call on this one. | 22:42 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: already done. an opinion from slangasek would certainly be preferred :) | 22:43 |
| ScottK | lucas_: Is it possible your last rebuild was done with Main only even for Universe packages? I see a lot of FTBFS due to non-existant packages that do in fact exist in Universe. | 22:43 |
| imbrandon | ScottK: the more i look at libgda4-4.0.8 ( and subsuqent fix for ftbfs ) we'll need to push that as a sru when we get the x86_64 worked out | 22:47 |
| imbrandon | ( thats the opinion of the DD's too from the gnome team ) | 22:47 |
| ScottK | imbrandon: OK. Thanks for looking into it. BTW, I think deciding stuff shouldn't be uploaded yet should count on core-dev apps too. | 22:47 |
| imbrandon | heh | 22:48 |
| slangasek | sistpoty: do you have the bug # handy for that one? | 22:49 |
| sistpoty | slangasek: bug #561631 | 22:49 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 561631 in libpcap "Lucid Sync-Request FFE libpcap version 1.1.1" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/561631 | 22:49 |
| sistpoty | slangasek: crimsun volunteered to test rdepends in main, but will need a few hours before doing so | 22:50 |
| sistpoty | bdrung: do you have the HW to test g15daemon-audacious? | 22:53 |
| sistpoty | bdrung: as I've got a trivial fix around now | 22:53 |
| bdrung | sistpoty: no. you can give me 100 euro and i will buy the HW ;) | 22:54 |
| lfaraone | If a sync request would fix a bug (say, bug 549692), should I modify that bug, or create a new one? | 22:54 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 549692 in paros "paros won't start because it can't find license file" [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/549692 | 22:54 |
| sistpoty | bdrung: haha... then let's just cross fingers that it'll still work with the ftbfs fix (just updating one include directive) | 22:55 |
| sistpoty | bdrung: I haven't forwarded the change to debian yet, and am quite sure that I'll forget to do so... can you do that please (if it affects unstable as well)? | 22:58 |
| bdrung | sistpoty: currently it affects only experimental | 22:58 |
| sistpoty | bdrung: ah, ok | 22:58 |
| bdrung | sistpoty: didn't we have a tool for sending our changes to debian? | 22:58 |
| sistpoty | bdrung: could be... I prefer reportbug after checking on an unstable system though | 22:59 |
| Kangarooo | to get programm to universe i found i need to post to launchpad request for packaging or package myself. if that is done then i post it to revu but http://revu.ubuntuwire.com/ is down | 23:01 |
| Kangarooo | ups its forbiden | 23:01 |
| lfaraone | Kangarooo: new packages are not being accepted right now, so there's no rush :) | 23:01 |
| sistpoty | Kangarooo: hm? revu is down? | 23:01 |
| geser | bdrung: submittodebian? never used it personally | 23:01 |
| lfaraone | Kangarooo: I'd ask about it in #ubuntuwire | 23:01 |
| sistpoty | crap, revu *is* down :( | 23:01 |
| * sistpoty fixes it | 23:01 | |
| bdrung | geser: yes | 23:01 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: the server itself is down? | 23:01 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: nope, just apache returns a 403 | 23:02 |
| lfaraone | submittodebian works pretty well in my experience, but occasionally picks up extraneous changes (like debian/control) | 23:02 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: ugh, that's bad | 23:02 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: not necessarily, looks like md is not mounted | 23:02 |
| sistpoty | (where revu resides) | 23:02 |
| imbrandon | fun fun | 23:03 |
| ajmitch | that's still bad | 23:04 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: or can you take a look, since you're already logged in? | 23:04 |
| Kangarooo | and what to do if i asked for packaging and someone else packages then will he also post to revu or i need to check LP page and get and post to revu that package? | 23:04 |
| ajmitch | yeah I can confirm it's not mounted | 23:04 |
| ajmitch | but /dev/md0 isn't looking happy | 23:04 |
| lfaraone | Kangarooo: most likely the packaging will not be done unless you do it yourself :) | 23:05 |
| imbrandon | is revu still on spooky ? | 23:05 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: the server was rebooted ysterday? | 23:05 |
| ajmitch | imbrandon: yep | 23:05 |
| Kangarooo | ajmitch: i hope this is small problem and server is in cloud :) | 23:05 |
| Kangarooo | like in cloud computer not rip | 23:06 |
| imbrandon | Kangarooo: revu will be fixed, its just a matter of when ( depending on the severity of the issue ) | 23:06 |
| lfaraone | Did I update bug 549692 properly to reflect its status as a sync request? (syncing would fix the bug the reporter asked) | 23:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 549692 in paros "Sync paros 3.2.13-6 (universe) from Debian testing (main) [paros won't start because it can't find license file]" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/549692 | 23:06 |
| Kangarooo | lfaraone: but if i post package request then if not me then someone from motu packages it or anyone also who is not motu can do that? (if yes dont answer- i think yes but not sure) | 23:07 |
| lfaraone | Kangarooo: somebody *may* package it. if they are not in MOTU, they'll post it to REVU and be responcible for getting it accepted. | 23:08 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: I think someone needs to take a look at the raid setup there, /dev/md0 doesn't want to go | 23:09 |
| Kangarooo | ok thx. ok now the bigest question this maybe a security issue: is programm put to universe checked by someone like checked All code it contains? | 23:10 |
| sistpoty | ajmitch: ok, I'll take a look | 23:10 |
| ajmitch | sistpoty: thanks :) | 23:10 |
| doctormo | http://doctormo.org/2010/04/17/input-debian-packaging-guide/ | 23:10 |
| ScottK | sistpoty: g15daemon-audacious accepted. Thanks. | 23:10 |
| lfaraone | Kangarooo: uh, yes, that's the purpose of the sponsorship / mentorship guide. | 23:10 |
| lfaraone | Kangarooo: * system, I mean | 23:10 |
| doctormo | I'm after some really simple deb packaging guides, I got a few links so far, but they're rather more verbose. | 23:10 |
| sistpoty | ScottK: thanks! | 23:10 |
| ScottK | doctormo: The problem is that packaging is inherently complex. Anything simple is wrong or dangerously incomplete. | 23:11 |
| ScottK | Making it simple is an unsolved problem. | 23:11 |
| doctormo | ScottK: It doesn't have to simple in it's end condition, it just needs to build up with grace | 23:11 |
| doctormo | Instead of the lumbering clunky documents I read in a few of these links | 23:12 |
| ScottK | That's not easy either. | 23:12 |
| doctormo | At least I'll know where to come for critique ;-) | 23:12 |
| ScottK | Part of the problem is that as soon as you understand packaging, you're inherently unqualified to write documentation for people that don't. | 23:12 |
| ScottK | There's a very narrow window where you still remember what it was like to learn. | 23:12 |
| Kangarooo | so no one can put programm witch contains line witch simulates virus? like deleting files. gaining sudo and listening to keystrokes and at random time execute that. | 23:12 |
| ScottK | Trying to catch people in that window and force them to do documentation is hard. | 23:13 |
| doctormo | ScottK: Well I don't know how to make deb packages, even though I've done it several times. | 23:13 |
| ScottK | Kangarooo: In theory no. In practice no system is perfect. AFAIK it hasn't happened yet. | 23:13 |
| jdong | Kangarooo: in general, yes, for new packages 2 sponsors and an archive manager reviews the code comprehensively | 23:13 |
| slangasek | so I was just thinking yesterday that https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete could use some refining | 23:14 |
| jdong | Kangarooo: and for most uploads in general, there are developers that look at what's being uploaded | 23:14 |
| slangasek | but stopped short of editing it because I don't want to push things there that aren't considered community best practice | 23:14 |
| jdong | Kangarooo: from personal experience, when I've made some careless oversights in my uploads, I've had fellow developers email me a few hours afterwards. | 23:14 |
| jdong | (At the same time this does NOT mean you should blindly go trusting every package in the repository from a security standpoint...) | 23:15 |
| bdrung | sistpoty: now only bug #564092 remains | 23:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 564092 in xmp "FTBFS against audacious 2.3" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/564092 | 23:16 |
| Kangarooo | ok. i wast just confused 2 days ago why i had system update for sudo. and i hoped it wont take something over with sudo. couse i have never experienced any problem with it and problem with sudo may do some big problem like not overwriting some config and telling all done. | 23:17 |
| sistpoty | bdrung: I'll take a stab at it | 23:17 |
| bdrung | thanks | 23:17 |
| bdrung | i will fix bug #563043 as counterpart | 23:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 563043 in audacious "audacious2.png alpha blending is wrong" [Medium,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/563043 | 23:18 |
| Kangarooo | ok thx all and sistpoty ur welcome :) | 23:18 |
| doctormo | What is the easiest way to install all build deps for a given control file? | 23:20 |
| Kangarooo | doctormo: yes make post why packaged things work. im similar like u - tryg to package but cant understand why they work | 23:21 |
| lfaraone | Kangarooo: if you have specific questions please ask. | 23:21 |
| dutchie | doctormo: there's a mk-build-deps thingy | 23:21 |
| dutchie | you can just "sudo mk-build-deps -i" and it creates and installs the build dependencies | 23:21 |
| lfaraone | dutchie: copy and paste :) | 23:21 |
| doctormo | This is very much like Alchemy, some things work, some others don't, no one knows quite why. | 23:21 |
| lfaraone | doctormo: well, there are usually good reasons for this, but it's poorly documented :) | 23:22 |
| doctormo | lfaraone: Of course! don't you know anything about Science! | 23:22 |
| bdrung | i had two problems at the beginning: 1. i didn't know all tools. there are a bunch of tools. you need to know how they play together 2. i didn't know how debian/rules worked. which targets were called in which order. | 23:24 |
| doctormo | bdrung: The targets thing sounds important | 23:25 |
| bdrung | doctormo: there are only one or two websites showing the targets graph | 23:26 |
| bdrung | doctormo: maybe it's time for a gui helping to create a package | 23:26 |
| * lfaraone just used CDBS and didn't worry about targets :) | 23:28 | |
| * sistpoty recalls a packaging without helpes session | 23:29 | |
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