[02:18] <funkyHat> heh
[02:19] <bazhang> got bt access?
[02:20] <funkyHat> I don't know what that is ⢁)
[02:20] <bazhang> try @login  then @btlogin
[02:20] <IdleOne> @login
[02:20] <IdleOne> heh
[02:21] <bazhang> not yet apparently
[02:21] <IdleOne> @btlogin
[02:21] <funkyHat> I got no response at all
[02:22] <IdleOne> oh another kernel upgrade :)
[02:22] <bazhang> via PM its sometimes glitchy; judging by idle one's attempt you've not been added yet
[02:23] <IdleOne> btlogin gave nothing at all
[02:23] <bazhang> well since @login failed, it wouldn't matter anyways
[02:24] <IdleOne> so btlogin is for the ban tracker
[02:24] <IdleOne> and @login is for?
[02:24] <bazhang> yep, but you need to login to ubottu first
[02:24] <IdleOne> ahh ok
[02:36] <tsimpson> funkyHat, IdleOne, h00k, txwikinger: you should have access to the bantracker now, you can test with @login and @btlogin
[02:36] <IdleOne> @login
[02:36] <IdleOne> ty
[02:36] <funkyHat> @login
[02:37] <funkyHat> @btlogin
[02:37] <txwikinger> @login
[02:37] <IdleOne> @btlogin
[02:37] <funkyHat> Strange that it doesn't seem to work if I /msg ubottu
[02:37] <txwikinger> @btlogin
[02:37] <tsimpson> the login command wont, it must be sent in a channel
[02:37] <tsimpson> but the btlogin command should
[02:38] <funkyHat> Ah ok. I only tried login
[02:38] <tsimpson> once you @login, you shouldn't need to do so again unless ubottu restarts or your host changes (probably)
[02:39] <tsimpson> and the bantracker link will work for 60 days without you needing to @btlogin again
[02:39] <tsimpson> magic of cookies
[02:39] <funkyHat> oo
[02:51] <bazhang> Gla, please don't idle here
[03:13] <IdleOne> Gla: this channel is for Ubuntu ops. Please do not idle here.
[04:06] <Gla> right sorry about that
[04:46] <Seeker`> hi new ops
[04:47] <Seeker`> good to see you are enthusiastic about being in this channel
[04:47] <Seeker`> that won't last :P
[04:58] <JeanLucPicard> 'ello... My ubuntu server machine won't boot... It gets as far as "Activating swapfile swap... [OK] ::: Checking quotas... " and hangs -
[04:59] <Seeker`> This isn't a support channel. Try #ubuntu.
[04:59] <bazhang> JeanLucPicard, #ubuntu for support
[04:59] <JeanLucPicard> I tried joining #ubuntu
[04:59] <JeanLucPicard> it forwarded me here
[04:59] <bazhang> okay
[04:59] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[05:00] <Seeker`> @login
[05:00] <Seeker`> @btlogin
[05:01] <JeanLucPicard> can anyone help me?
[05:01] <Seeker`> one minute please
[05:02] <Seeker`> you were forwarded here because of your attitude in #ubuntu earlier
[05:02] <JeanLucPicard> Pardon?
[05:02] <tsimpson> on the 15th
[05:02] <JeanLucPicard> *boggle*
[05:03] <JeanLucPicard> I don't believe I've ever been in an ubuntu channel.
[05:03] <Seeker`> well, you have a registered nickname
[05:03] <JeanLucPicard> I'm a windows guy. I just installed this today. :X
[05:03] <JeanLucPicard> No I don't?
[05:03] <tsimpson> you do, and are using it now
[05:03] <JeanLucPicard> Registered how? This is my brother-in-law's computer.
[05:04] <Seeker`> you are identified to nickserv
[05:04] <JeanLucPicard> I am?
[05:04] <Seeker`> yes
[05:04] <JeanLucPicard> is that why my server can't boot?
[05:04] <IdleOne> Then your brother in law had a poor attitude and that is why you got sent here. Using his client that auto identifies
[05:04] <JeanLucPicard> Oh.
[05:04] <JeanLucPicard> Should I un-identify?
[05:05] <JeanLucPicard> How do I do that?
[05:05] <Seeker`> JeanLucPicard: what operating systems were on the computer on the 15th?
[05:05] <bazhang> send your brother in law to discuss
[05:05] <JeanLucPicard> On the 15th the computer was a pile of parts in my closet.
[05:05] <JeanLucPicard> Today it's Ubuntu Server
[05:06] <JeanLucPicard> I was going to install ebox on it at the recommendation of my brother-in-law, but I can't seem to get it to boot.
[05:06] <JeanLucPicard> His works fine, mine won't boot :(
[05:07] <Seeker`> who set up your irc client?
[05:07] <JeanLucPicard> Him, it's his laptop.
[05:07] <tsimpson> well unfortunately his account was banned from #ubuntu, so he will need to come here for the ban to be removed
[05:07] <JeanLucPicard> I can give him the laptop?
[05:08] <JeanLucPicard> I mean, he's just in the other room
[05:08] <maco> yep
[05:08] <JeanLucPicard> hey, what's the problem?
[05:08] <JeanLucPicard> You all still mad because I told a bot to leave me alone? I talk to bots all the time.
[05:08] <tsimpson> are you the owner of that account?
[05:08] <JeanLucPicard> yeh.
[05:09] <tsimpson> and you were in #ubuntu on the 15th?
[05:09] <JeanLucPicard> Yeh, I was having problems with ntop. someone recommended I install something else, I did, it worked, I left.
[05:09] <Seeker`> JeanLucPicard: I don't think that is the full story, is it
[05:10] <JeanLucPicard> I don't think it really matters much. I insulted a stupid bot.
[05:10] <JeanLucPicard> The bot told me to type more words in one line.
[05:10] <Seeker`> Yeah, except it wasn't a bot
[05:10] <JeanLucPicard> I told it to suck it.
[05:10] <tsimpson> as noted in the topic of #ubuntu -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IrcGuidelines
[05:10] <tsimpson> what you did was clearly not appropriate for #ubuntu
[05:10] <Seeker`> That isn't acceptable behaviour for #ubuntu irc channels
[05:10] <JeanLucPicard> Well I apologize.
[05:11] <JeanLucPicard> I promise not to insult the bots in the future.
[05:11] <tsimpson> I suggest you read the link I posted
[05:11] <Seeker`> let us know when you are done
[05:11] <JeanLucPicard> I'm going to bed. I have no intentions on reading a guide on how to talk to people online. I talk to people all day.
[05:12] <JeanLucPicard> when I insult an ATM, its owners don't ban me from a bank.
[05:12] <JeanLucPicard> Why? It's an ATM.
[05:12] <Seeker`> JeanLucPicard: You didn't insult a machine
[05:12] <tsimpson> you didn't insult a bot, you insulted a person
[05:12] <JeanLucPicard> Then I apologize to whoever I insulted.
[05:12] <Seeker`> 2010-04-15T10:34:28 <THZone> !dick | eatone | jrib
[05:12] <Seeker`> jrib is a person
[05:12] <JeanLucPicard> That's not a bot?
[05:12] <JeanLucPicard> It told me to use the enter key.
[05:12] <JeanLucPicard> Kinda scripted-like.
[05:12] <Seeker`> !enter | JeanLucPicard
[05:12] <Seeker`> like that
[05:13] <JeanLucPicard> Yeah, oh.
[05:13] <IdleOne> does it really matter. the issue is not about a bot it is about your language and attitude
[05:13] <JeanLucPicard> Well, I apologize
[05:13] <tsimpson> even if it was not a real person, it's still not appropriate
[05:13] <Seeker`> because
[05:13] <Seeker`> you
[05:13] <Seeker`> were
[05:13] <Seeker`> talking like
[05:13] <Seeker`> this
[05:13] <Seeker`> which just spams the channel
[05:13] <JeanLucPicard> I never talk like that. I always have one sentence per line.
[05:13] <JeanLucPicard> I am sorry if I insulted anyone.
[05:13] <JeanLucPicard> But it's not me that needs help.
[05:14] <JeanLucPicard> If I have to disconnect from the network and reconnect without identing to ns, just so my brother can get help, I will.
[05:14] <tsimpson> yes, it's unfortunate that your actions have effected someone else
[05:14] <Seeker`> JeanLucPicard: ban evasion isn't a good idea
[05:14] <tsimpson> JeanLucPicard: please be aware that it is against freenode to evade bans
[05:14] <JeanLucPicard> I'm not evading the ban.
[05:14] <JeanLucPicard> I am going to bed.
[05:14] <JeanLucPicard> My brother needs help. I work at 9
[05:15] <JeanLucPicard> I got my problem resolved thanks to the people in your channel. that's why I recommended he come to you.
[05:16] <Seeker`> You have no idea how many times we hear "my brother did it"
[05:16] <JeanLucPicard> Nor do I care, to be honest.
[05:16] <Seeker`> It may be true in your case, it may not, we have no way of knowing. You could have read the guidelines in the time you've been here.
[05:17] <JeanLucPicard> Jesus, you people take this entirely too seriously. How many times do you hear that? It's a support channel (your words, not mine). Why not support your users, and not argue with them?
[05:17] <tsimpson> the rules are there for a reason, the reason being to protect the users in the channel
[05:18] <JeanLucPicard> And he apologized to the users!
[05:18] <JeanLucPicard> What do you want from me? He went to bed, I still have a box that won't boot.
[05:18] <JeanLucPicard> I used to wonder why people preferred Windows to *nix... Now I know why... when I ask Microsoft for help, I get it... When I ask *nix people for help, I get a holier-than-thou attitude... Lecturing me about my brother-in-law's attitude to a robot...
[05:19] <tsimpson> well if he does not want to discuss the ban it will remain, I suggest you find an alternate source of support like the ubuntu forums
[05:19] <JeanLucPicard> Dude.
[05:20] <JeanLucPicard> he went to bed.
[05:20] <Seeker`> a) It was his attitude to a person, b) The rules are linked when you enter the channel
[05:20] <JeanLucPicard> I don't care about HIS attitude!
[05:20] <IdleOne> JeanLucPicard: the Guidelines also apply to the ubuntu forums
[05:20] <IdleOne> JeanLucPicard: you should because his attitude is keeping you from getting help now
[05:21] <maco> erm, if you're two separate people, why don't you have two separate accounts?
[05:21] <Seeker`> JeanLucPicard: you are connecting from one of his computers; As far as an IRC network is concerned you are the same person
[05:21] <JeanLucPicard> I don't use freenode.
[05:21] <JeanLucPicard> And now I know why.
[05:21] <JeanLucPicard> You're all just a bunch of uppity douchebags.
[05:21] <JeanLucPicard> I'll go back to EFnet
[05:21] <tsimpson> very well, goodbye
[05:21] <JeanLucPicard> They're USEFUL there.
[05:21] <JeanLucPicard> Faggots.
[05:21] <maco> bundles of sticks?
[05:21] <IdleOne> yup they are related
[05:22] <persia> Handy for auto-de-fé
[05:23] <tsimpson> and now we have is real IP too
[05:23] <bazhang> whoa ban evade then nasty spam in #ubuntu
[05:23] <maco> yep
[05:23] <bazhang> expletivedeletedBuntu
[05:24] <bazhang> his brother-in-law's IP you mean
[05:24] <persia> Same IP.
[05:24] <maco> i was gonna kb, but he left too quick
[05:24] <Seeker`> I was just saying to maco, as far as we are concerned, same IP or same registered nick = same person
[05:24] <persia> I actually believe that was two different people, based on tone, but I'm not sure either gets the guidelines.
[05:25] <IdleOne> persia: that was two people yes.
[05:25] <Seeker`> or jus 1 prson pertending 2 b 2 ppl
[05:25] <persia> Well, we can't know for sure, but yeah.
[05:25] <Seeker`> With different writing styles / tones
[05:25] <bazhang> ^^
[05:25] <persia> Seeker`: And doing it very well.
[05:26] <tsimpson> it doesn't matter if they are two people, both are now banned
[05:27] <persia> Indeed, and deservedly so.
[05:29] <IdleOne> And when did EFnet become usefull? :)
[05:29] <IdleOne> useful*
[05:30] <bazhang> in future better to let a single OP handle it.
[05:32] <elky> IdleOne, rubbish bins are useful.
[05:33] <IdleOne> that they are
[05:40] <Tm_T> hiya
[05:40] <Seeker`> o/
[06:34] <elky> oh dear, bacta's in -devel
[06:35] <elky> and -marketing
[06:42] <persia> what's the history?
[07:11] <tritium_> Good morning.
[07:29] <bazhang> hi
[08:04] <elky> persia, behind bacta?
[08:06] <Tm_T> I think bantracker tells the story
[08:09] <Tm_T> mneptone
[08:10] <Flannel> mneptane
[08:10] <mneptok> BEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP
[08:10] <mneptok> *explode*
[08:10] <Flannel> you can run your cars on it!
[11:10] <ikonia> ban tracker does tell the story on bacta - and I again repeat my request on a update on his namespace/core channels ban
[12:56] <bazhang> Guest37344, how can we help you
[13:03] <topyli> hmm
[13:12] <IdleOne> what about robotgee1, highvoltage and SWAT ?
[13:14] <bazhang> not id'd
[13:15] <IdleOne> ahh ok so they are ops also
[13:15] <bazhang> yeppers
[13:15] <IdleOne> thanks
[13:15]  * IdleOne notes to not harrass
[13:30] <jussi> I think robotgee1 has finished up as an oop though.
[13:31] <jussi> as has SWAT iirc.
[13:31]  * jussi points to access list in here...
[13:33] <IdleOne> looks like you are correct. clients auto joining.
[13:35] <IdleOne> See ya laters, have a good day
[13:38] <bazhang> bye
[14:44] <bazhang> is ^b0ss^ really that low-info? he's been told about installing themes half a dozen times at least
[14:45] <highvoltage> IdleOne: hmm?
[15:20] <jussi> highvoltage: thanks :)
[16:02] <highvoltage> jussi: you're welcome... I guess... what did I do? :)
[16:02] <highvoltage> ah I see
[16:02] <highvoltage> heh
[16:48] <SWAT> jussi: que?
[16:48] <SWAT> I still do my chores in the dutch channels (where I am supposed to)
[17:00] <jussi> SWAT: This channel is for the core channel ops. #ubuntu-irc for the locos and other ubuntu channels :)
[18:48] <bazhang> more nonsense from alteregoa
[19:13] <mooo> hello. i found out my brother came on here like a month ago and tried to use my computer and came here for help. and he got mad and said some stupid things and got this ip (or however it was set) to be banned from #ubuntu.    how can i get help for me (and not him) hehe.
[19:14] <ikonia> one moment please
[19:18] <ikonia> just looking for your ban
[19:19] <mooo> he uses the nick  thief
[19:19] <bazhang> mneptok, 's ban iirc
[19:19] <ikonia> yes, I see him
[19:19] <bazhang> thiefy
[19:20] <ikonia> mneptok: are you free ?
[19:20] <bazhang> I seem to recall him saying not to remove it unless he was around, may be misremembering
[19:20] <elky> @btlogin
[19:20] <elky> @login
[19:21] <mooo> thanks for your help guys, my sound is not working now, and taht would be quite sad if i couldn't get help for the problem cause my brother is an idiot.
[19:21] <elky> mooo, you could still ask at ubuntuforums.org
[19:21] <mooo> good point.
[19:22] <elky> also, we accept apologies much more often than we fall for fibs.
[19:23]  * mneptok waves
[19:23] <mneptok> @login
[19:23] <mneptok> mooo: looking for the ban now.
[19:26] <mneptok> mooo: is this your computer, or your brother's?
[19:27] <mooo> it is my computer.
[19:27] <mooo> we have a router though. so if it's by ip.. then we share an ip.
[19:27] <mneptok> mooo: and how does your brother get access to your account?
[19:28] <mooo> 174.4.2.144 is both of us.
[19:28] <mooo> if i leave my computer and don't lock the screen he sometimes will come on it.
[19:29] <mneptok> well, not to be harsh, but this is the result of not taking basic steps to ensure that only you use your user account.
[19:30] <mneptok> if you know your brother is an idiot, then be sure to not allow idiots to use your computer.
[19:31] <mooo> i have learned that lesson.
[19:31] <mooo> i'm blaming him for my sound not working.
[19:32] <mooo> i got rid of pulse, hoping that would help, but of course something else did it. and i blame him. haha because if it was me that broke sound, i wouldn't know what i'd did to break it.
[19:32] <mneptok> !coc
[19:32] <mneptok> !guidelines
[19:32] <mneptok> please read those URLs carefully.
[19:33] <mneptok> when you're done, return here, promise to ensure your user account will always abide by those guidelines and any op is welcome to remove the ban if i am AFK.
[19:33]  * mneptok needs coffee and nicotine
[19:34] <mooo> i will.
[19:34]  * mooo sets mode +read
[19:41] <mneptok> be aware, once you promise to abide by the rules when using your user account, any future failure to do so from your account will result in a permanent ban. so lock that screen.
[19:42] <jpds> Ctrl-Alt-L FTW.
[19:45] <mooo> oooh, nice. i thought i had to use gnome-do to do that, (and then the thing installed some appley looking dock on me. so i uninst. it.) thank you for that keyboard shortcut jpds.
[19:46] <mooo> ok, so i register my ip to my nick now? isn't that a little bit of a privacy invasion? now i have to have an 'account' to get to a help channel?
[19:46] <mooo> sorry, i'm just a little concerned.
[19:46] <mneptok> it does not rquire nick registration.
[19:47] <mneptok> there are other ways of telling what Ubuntu user account someone is using. your brother was using yours when he was offtopic, abusive, and profane.
[19:47] <mooo> i need to read a little more. i think i am misunderstanding.
[19:48] <mooo> my 'account' is my /home/username   as opposed to my irc nick   ?
[19:48] <mneptok> correct
[19:49] <mooo> so if my username is ubottu and i am bad, then wipe my computer and reinstall with mneptok and be good...
[19:49] <mooo> i'm not impling anyting, just confused.
[19:49] <mooo> implying?
[19:49] <mooo> can't spell.
[19:51] <mooo> i'll ask to ban my brother's UUID from #ubuntu then! hehe.
[19:51] <Flannel> mooo: He's saying that your brother was using your user account, and you should be sure to make sure he can't in the future.
[19:51] <mooo> yep. gotcha. i didn't know they did it that way.
[19:52] <mooo> i'll make a guest type account where he can get on (cause he wants to for my mp3 files i think) and he can't do much else with it. but i'd have to do some reading to set that up...
[19:55] <mneptok> install mt-daapd and keep your brother on his own machine.
[19:55] <mneptok> and spoofing my ident to ban evade would be a *really* flawed strategy.
[20:15] <h00k> @login
[20:54] <mneptok> mooo: you either need to work on resolving this issue or /part the channel. we have a no-idling policy.
[20:54] <mneptok> SWAT: you also should not idle here
[21:31] <topyli> mooo, can we somehow help you?
[21:50] <ikonia> maco you around ?
[21:50] <maco> yes
[21:50] <ikonia> maco: do you know anything about a user pm'ing you asking you about your bra size ?
[21:50] <maco> yes
[21:50] <ikonia> he did it to me the other day and is doing it to me now
[21:50] <maco> i just put a hostmask ban on them in #ubuntu-women just in case. niko in #freenode is on the case now
[21:51] <Flannel> is it a stcd.qwest.net?
[21:51] <niko> which kind of ban maco ?
[21:51] <maco> Flannel: yes
[21:51] <ikonia> ahh he did it with me about 5 days ago too, but then started again just now
[21:51] <ikonia> Flannel: yes
[21:51] <Flannel> I got a PM from him about pokemon a few minutes ago
[21:51] <maco> niko: +b *!~WiFiGuest@97-112-63-184.stcd.qwest.net
[21:52] <maco> niko: since both people who PM'd me had that ident & host i figured it was good enough to keep them out of there
[21:52] <mneptok> no one asks *me* about *my* bra size. *sniff*
[21:52] <maco> didnt want them discovering ubuntu women and getting /extra/ jollies
[21:52] <niko> maco: i see
[21:52] <ikonia> maco: that's preventative banning and against council policy
[21:53] <maco> well i wasnt sure how they decided to pm me except maybe looking at #ubuntu-women and #gnu-women user lists
[21:53] <maco> but ok i can go remove it
[21:53] <ikonia> maco: appreciate that, but it's against council policy, I'm wondering where they got myself and flannel from
[21:54] <maco> ikonia: youre in that channel too
[21:54] <Flannel> Probably #ubuntu, or nicks from IRC logs
[21:54] <ikonia> flannel isn't though
[21:54] <maco> yeah
[21:54] <maco> nor fanti...whatever the other person in #freenode was
[21:54] <ikonia> maco: ineresting, both you and I are in -women and got asked about bra's flannel isn't and got asked about pokemon
[21:54] <ikonia> eg: -women assumes everyone female
[21:54] <maco> right
[21:54] <Flannel> When this happened a few days ago I got random queries too, let me try and find them
[21:55] <Flannel> There's likely a proxy user somewhere, since the host involved in the queries aren't in the channel as far as I can tell
[21:55] <maco> ikonia: by the way, would it be against council policy to ban from #ubuntu-women-project anyone who's banned in #ubuntu-women?
[21:56] <ikonia> don't know, is -women and -women-project core channels yet ?
[21:56] <ikonia> (forgive me not aware of that current dicussion )
[21:56] <maco> no they're not
[21:56] <ikonia> Hmmm not sure how that would sit to be honest,
[21:56] <ikonia> maco: it's certaonly against the spirit of it
[21:57] <topyli> they are team channels, not core. technically, teams are in charge of their channels
[21:57] <ikonia> ahhh there we go
[21:57] <ikonia> maco: in that case....ban away
[21:57] <topyli> extending a -women ban to -women-project would be pre-emptive and as such we wouldn't approve in principle
[21:58] <topyli> but they're out of scope, so...