[02:22] I am bummed after my last update I now have none of my chat settings and stuff in empathy [02:22] dang [02:22] akgraner: anything major broken? [02:23] nope - just all the social from the start stuff [02:23] hmm brb let me check something [02:23] ok won't affect me much then [02:30] other than all my account settings needing to be added to empathy and qwibber everything seems to be fine [02:30] well other than when gwibber open now I get like 17 windows that open at once [02:30] all gwibber [02:32] that's still annoying, though [02:32] yeah no kidding :-( [02:32] and I just had to kill gwibber [02:32] b/c it keeps trying to open and when it does it pops up 5 more windows [02:33] :( [02:35] I just asked in -devel if anyone else was having this issue [02:36] but at least gwibber isn't making my CPU run hot now [02:40] well I need to go file a bug they haven't heard of this one [02:40] * akgraner goes to find my notes on how to file a bug [02:42] ubuntu-bug packagename [02:43] yep - :-) [02:43] I just like to make sure my notes are correct and see if I have to tweak them for different issues - in case someone asks me how to file a bug [02:44] all that good stuff [02:48] akgraner: were you a girlscout? [02:48] (the whole always prepared thing ;-) ) [02:48] Pendulum, um yeah, and in 4-h, oh I think the Army did that to me [02:48] heh [02:50] I try - but I am not always prepare :-/ [04:16] akgraner, did jono get back to you re: play day at all? [04:16] has been in conferences this week [04:16] * elky pouts [04:17] collaboration summit then something else with status.net [04:17] we could really use his 3k twitter followers knowing about it [04:17] akgraner, how ironic, since he's not tweeting. [04:17] :-) [04:17] he's not looked into the uds sprints either [04:18] so I guess he'll have a truckload of work when he gets back :) [04:18] heck, even his 1400 identi.ca followers would be useful [04:19] err, sorry, his 4400 twitter followers :-/ [04:21] http://twitter.com/#search?q=http%3A%2F%2Ftr.im%2FVAjs and http://identi.ca/search/notice?q=http://tr.im/VAjs just really isn't enough microblog infiltration :( [04:24] elky, identi.ca is sadly very low :( [04:24] nigelb, they're both about the same [04:25] so probably just the synced identi.ca accounts [04:26] essentially yes. [04:27] yeah, status.net had a hack afternoon thing after collab summit [04:27] I should strong-arm my friend into guest-posting on his blog [04:27] that should get us some publicity [04:29] any other bright ideas to get some publicity? [04:29] I have one, but no equipment or talent to make it. A youtube video? [04:30] nothing big, just a slideshow with some music would do just fine. [04:35] I asked Rikki to blog about it on Monday [05:02] how much planet noise has there been? [05:05] Hrm. just me and the fridge [05:05] what about the freezer? [05:06] elky, yeah I am behind on the blogging :-( [05:06] maco, i think it is preoccupied with the repositories. [05:06] elky, I'll try to get a post in today or tomorrow [05:06] good answer! [05:08] i also just forwarded something to grrltalk [05:08] well, the chix announcement list, actually [05:08] also, why does my left eyebrow keep throbbing? [05:09] something wicked this way comes :D [05:09] arteries are funny like that? [05:09] maco, yeah, i massaged the area and everything, it just keeps throbbing a bit and making the world shake :P [05:10] oh world shakey? i hate that :( [05:10] but usually for me eyebrow throbby and world shakey are two different things [05:11] maco, congrats on ops in #ubuntu [05:11] thanks but didnt you already say that in k-devel ? :P [05:11] maco, I dont think that was me [05:11] I just caught up on blog reading [05:11] oh you just admonished me for asking for ops :P [05:12] hehe :D [05:12] Later folks. Have a good weekend. [07:25] elky, got some time? [07:26] need some help from that awesome gimp-fu of yours [07:26] Morning [07:28] mornin czajkowski :) [07:29] today is my ossbarcamp event [07:29] over 100 people coming [07:31] 1 speaker pulled out, the guy who runs the LPIs is stuck in uk with flights not leaving there [07:32] wonder what else could go wrong today [07:33] ouch. hope things straighten out czajkowski [07:34] nigelb, depends how much time you need [07:34] elky, I was thinking about a poster for the competition [07:34] hunting through flickr for stuff that can be used with only attribution [07:35] http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiteafrican/2870711774/ [07:35] But the apple there worries me. Still looking. [07:36] nigelb: in google you can search for images and set the licience you want in the parameters if that helps [07:36] right better get up and moving [07:36] czajkowski, thank you. Let me try that :) [07:36] no bother [07:37] nigelb, hhaha. http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=kids+computer&l=commderiv&ct=0&mt=all&adv=1 gives me a page that includes http://www.flickr.com/photos/deryckh/3180290726/ [07:38] elky, I think flickr gives priorities for your friends :) [07:39] why do girl+computers search on google give me dog pictures? #fail [07:39] http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MUwnsoCPaWy4GjiQRBIiMQ looks good [07:40] elky, I'm liking http://www.flickr.com/photos/msspider66/382339790/ [07:42] nigelb, a friend has wordsbycat.com that documents cat pictures she found while searching flickr for photos for photographicdictionary.com/ [07:43] oooh [07:44] like, search for "saucepan" and she'd get a picture of a cat in a saucepan, or a search for sweater would find a picture of a cat on a sweater. [07:45] thats extremely innovative [07:46] elky, or would it be worthwhile to actually take a picture of a kid on an ubuntu laptop (without the face) and use it? [07:46] perhaps an angle showing the hair and saying "this can be your kid" [07:50] http://www.flickr.com/photos/bionicteaching/4309367785/ is nice too [07:52] oooh, yes [07:52] ugh, get to page 5 searching flickr for "girl computer" and it's girls clad in vinyl crop tops and hot shorts striking awkward poses on catwalks :( [07:53] yeah i got that.. ywicr, flickr and google [07:53] s/ywicr/twice :D [07:53] eating and typing [07:54] elky, that picture you posted from deryck is cute :) [07:54] its Ubuntu too. wish it were more clear [07:55] issyl0, poke [07:55] nigelb: I'd say she's on her way to the uk event she organised [07:56] czajkowski, she is organising an event? Wowww [07:56] aye [07:56] museum trip [07:56] oh. cool. [07:56] elky, have you noticed isabelle's twitter pic recently? ;) [07:57] profile pic or whatever [07:57] nigelb, no? I dont actually follow twitter or identica [07:57] that is from the rewired state event [07:58] yup [07:58] that is totally geeky and what I was looking for [07:58] http://twitter.com/account/profile_image/issyl0?hreflang=en [07:58] only needs her permission :) [07:58] it is actually one of the news desks of the Guardian newspaper [07:58] looks comfortable [08:02] elky, thoughts? [08:03] nigelb, she looks a little older than the toddler-12 range [08:03] elky, aaah [08:04] In that case http://www.flickr.com/photos/msspider66/382339790/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/bionicteaching/4309367785/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiteafrican/2870711774/ [08:07] http://www.flickr.com/photos/lorda/519126516/ [08:07] http://www.flickr.com/photos/crimfants/297864205/ [08:08] what the......! okay now I get what you meant earlier elky about vinyl crop tops [08:09] I neglected to mention the thigh-high stiletto vinyl boots [08:09] and the hardly 5-inch long micro-mini skirts [08:10] aw! this is so cute vinyl crop tops [08:10] http://www.flickr.com/photos/crimfants/297864205/ [08:10] paste fail [08:12] http://www.flickr.com/photos/sanjoselibrary/2801519664/ would be ok if it weren't for the butt in the background [08:13] yeah [08:13] this one's nice http://www.flickr.com/photos/inferis/266391412/ [08:14] elky, http://www.flickr.com/photos/inferis/266391219/in/photostream/ [08:14] gawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww [08:14] that does give a very cute message :) [08:15] already on the caffinated beverages too! [08:15] the first one is more obviously a girl baby though [08:16] the sitting beside the laptop one? [08:16] ...you really try to force me to get a pic of R doing IRC ... [08:17] yup [08:17] with a funny hat, ofcourse, that's mandatory when in -ot [08:18] elky, can you work some magic on it to get it to a poster? my artwork fu is NIL [08:18] http://www.flickr.com/photos/olivierb/270907833/ [08:19] it's nc, but the competition isn't a commercial thing, so the poster doesn't have to be [08:19] http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3653/3302455732_69cd8e34f0.jpg&imgrefurl=http://flickr.com/photos/48232840@N00/3302455732&usg=__bvpeoix-D4EFe1r-cc1FIoFcEvg=&h=375&w=500&sz=161&hl=en&start=129&sig2=TMhG6xDce32NqYrNDC5sOw&itbs=1&tbnid=0YDsWLgZ939zrM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dchildren%2BLinux%26start%3D126%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN%26gbv%3D2%26imgtbs%3Dr%26as_rights%3D(cc_publicdomain%257Ccc_att [08:19] ribute%257Ccc_sharealike%257Ccc_noncommercial%257Ccc_nonderived)%26as_st%3Dy%26ndsp%3D18%26tbs%3Disch:1&ei=yWDJS-mJEsSqlAfwx-XhBA [08:19] dang that was a freakin long link [08:19] sorry [08:20] http://www.flickr.com/photos/48232840@N00/3302455732 [08:20] yeah, got there [08:20] elky, ^ that would work [08:21] http://www.flickr.com/photos/courosa/3004364274/ [08:21] that one is cute too [08:21] http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaorang/73319425/ [08:22] yup. any one of the last 4 would [08:22] I think I can do something with that couch one... we'll see when I get home [08:23] the couch one is absolute cuteness :) [08:23] it has the whole child and the whole computer [08:23] I'll mail the photographer telling that we'd like to use it [08:23] not necessary, but it would be nice to alert them [08:24] http://www.flickr.com/photos/amilianna/2336409188/ <--- *melt* [08:24] * nigelb melts [08:24] couch one still wins for usability, but ^the look... [08:24] the *eyes* [08:24] nigelb, this was the lic attached to the pic http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/deed.en [08:25] yeah, share-like, noncommercial, and attribution [08:25] we can work with that [08:26] nigelb, yeah the eyes/look/expression [08:26] srs baby is srs [08:27] elky, srs? [08:27] serious [08:27] loltalk [08:27] srsly is seriously [08:27] * nigelb still types full works on txts [08:27] *words [08:28] akgraner, the cutiest pic is http://www.flickr.com/photos/whiteafrican/2870711774/ we' won't be using it coz of the apple ad there [08:28] they're having a conference in front of the computer and everyone looks so serious :) [08:28] yeah I saw that one [08:28] but at my house the macs run ubuntu [08:29] ha [08:29] really freaks people out now with Lucid [08:29] hahaha [08:29] they'll totally be confused [08:29] nigelb, yeah, srs/srsly isn't so much about the abbreviation though, as the culture ref [08:30] it's a great conversation starter [08:30] And the boot speed on Lucid is awesome. Apparently. [08:30] it is [08:31] akgraner, by the way, its now my turn to ask "Aren't you going to bed?" [08:31] http://www.flickr.com/photos/uhees/2097618231/ <-- OMG <3 [08:31] hah - waiting on a phone call [08:31] hehe [08:32] O-O [08:34] http://www.flickr.com/photos/qole/109752616/ <-- encouraging, you're doing it right. [08:36] elky, akgraner: The photographer of the couch pic is an open source enthusiast from Regina, Canada. Composing mail to him to say we'd be using that pic [08:36] nice [08:36] wow [08:36] lets hope he's not an ubuntu hater :P [08:36] Dr. Alec Couros, a professor of educational technology and media [08:37] Oh that's cool! [08:37] definately Ubuntu hater then [08:37] * Tm_T hides [08:38] hehe [08:42] http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/9C0NRt6lNa [08:43] thoughts on the mail? (I'm not great at writing formal mails) [08:44] akgraner, elky Tm_T ^ [08:45] looks fine to me. [08:45] * elky heads home [08:45] thank you :) [08:49] lol, typos :D [09:22] akgraner, sent :) [09:22] nigelb, Thank you!! [09:22] akgraner, no problem [09:23] sometimes I'm amazed by the work we get together as team :) [09:23] it's awesome isn't it! [09:23] yup [09:23] * akgraner is a fan of teamwork :-) [09:23] people all have their pigeon holes and we manage to use every person's expertise :) [09:25] elky, akgraner: this is how she looks now http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/about [09:27] oh cool [09:29] his blog is awesome! [09:30] he writes some cool stuff [10:44] nigelb, i have 4.8mb of http://geekosophical.net/misc/eeepcgirl.png for you [10:44] just the photo with the background cropped away so far [10:46] elky, you rock! [10:46] unlike my internet connection [10:47] * elky has a play with inkscape and potrace [10:47] it's vectorising fairly well actually [10:48] :) [11:24] elky, I finally saw it and its absolutely beautiful :) [11:25] I also learned that wget -c is a good idea [11:29] hehe yeah [11:29] you might want to alias it if you're with bad intarwebs often [11:31] also http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/?s=ubuntu indicates the good dr is not an ubuntu hater :P [11:34] oh yaay! [11:34] I mailed him and I'll let you know of his reply [11:35] elky, oh no. another kubuntu fan! [11:36] i get the feeling he'll be appreciative of the email: http://educationaltechnology.ca/couros/1203 [11:36] I read that! [11:36] and it is scary, especially as a parent. [11:37] yeah [11:37] I know friends who reveal photos of kids only to people that they know personally and have met physically [11:37] because, you never know..... [11:38] Yep, and that's exactly why we took the time with the comp [11:41] btw, since we are (I assume) going to put the photos up somewhere, have we put any thought to watermarking them (or allowing the entrants to watermark them)? [11:42] the biggest reason I know that people I know don't put photos of their kids online is because either they or someone they know have had a photo of theirs claimed by someone else [11:43] (this seems to be something that especially happens to pics of disabled kids, but I know several bloggers who it's happened to) [11:49] Pendulum, we're hoping some of the pics will be usable by Canonical for the Ubuntu website and other purposes that are not directly commercial. [11:49] *nods* [11:49] and in certain cases, with individual permission, used for actual commercial stuff by Canonical and members [11:51] also, making a 128 layer vector with potrace isn't worth it. [11:52] not on a laptop with only 2 cores and only 4g of ram, anyway [11:53] * nigelbabu blinks [11:53] elky, um.. english? [11:54] 128 pictures on top of each other. the dimensions of that photograph [11:54] ouch [11:54] that must take lots of space [11:55] yeah, I didn't think it through so well [11:55] closing inkscape gave me back 2g of ram [11:55] so, why did you want to do that anyway? [11:57] optimising for the poster [11:57] aah [11:57] there's a little too much detail in her clothes though, unlike the UW poster [11:59] so the vectoring would reduce the detail giving you a little bit more freedom in manipulation? [11:59] it'd enable us to scale it better [11:59] since it's currently raster [12:00] oh.k :) [12:00] but, it's not really that much too small for a0, it just makes a really hefty file size :( [12:02] yeah, too much detail [12:06] i'm going for fewer layers now [12:08] 24 looks like a good compromise, we'll see what it saves to [12:10] yeah, only 1mb less. not enough of a saving for the loss of quality [12:10] nigelbabu, have you done anything with it yet? [12:11] elky, drawing on paper [12:11] hehe [12:16] elky, I do realize how bad I am at it :D [12:23] hehe [12:45] elky, okay I'll admit it. After so much of crumpled paper, I realize again that I have no talent for art :/ [12:49] heh. /me is working on something [12:49] * nigelbabu hugs elky [12:50] * elky hugs openclipart.org and openfontlibrary.org [13:02] where the heck does one get .svgs of the new logo? [13:03] we don't. sigh. [13:04] * elky blinks [13:05] only .png I suppose [13:07] i'm finding .svgs attached to various places, but not anywhere... um... "canonical" [13:11] well, since the font is not yet compelte [13:11] I dont think we'll get .svgs [13:16] I do wonder how they expect the community to run community events without it [13:16] easy, use the old logo [13:17] If that's the case, then I wonder how they expect the brand refresh to succeed if there's a split identity [13:49] elky, sensibly do these sort of things at the beginning of a release cycle [13:50] (got distracted by match) [13:50] yep, right before every release party [13:50] lol [15:02] nigelbabu, http://geekosophical.net/misc/UW_WPD_2010.pdf [15:02] another 5mb download [15:03] elky, downloading [15:11] nigelbabu, connection still flaking? i can make a small png for you to look until you find less crappy nets if so [15:12] elky, just blocked my roommates mac, should be better :D [15:12] hehehe [15:17] elky, it rocks [15:17] only add the attribution at the end [15:18] Oh? [15:18] Bah, it's gone under the photo layer. [15:18] ah :) [15:19] elky, the ray kind of thing is an effect? or you manually did it? [15:20] I guess akgraner won't be awake for feedback [15:20] wonder if czajkowski, maco, or popey are around [15:20] I'm awake [15:20] im awake [15:20] * nigelbabu blinks [15:21] why would i be awake but she wouldnt? we're in the same timezone [15:21] maco, she was around till the wee hours of morning helping me send an email to the original photographer of the picture we used [15:22] maco, um, something like 4:30 am [15:22] akgraner, have you slept at all? [15:22] wow [15:22] thats definitely more of a maco bedtime than an amber bedtime [15:23] nigelbabu, you'll find a lot of polyphasic sleepers in the community :P [15:23] elky: what does that mean? lots of naps instead of one big sleep? [15:23] maco, like I said earlier, she's turning into less of a NTEU without even her knowing :D [15:23] maco, pretty much [15:24] maco, anyway, download the pdf ^ and comment :) [15:25] nigelbabu, I've had this sleep pattern for years :-) since at least 1989 [15:25] babies' faults? [15:25] akgraner, which is? no sleep? [15:25] no I get naps throughout the day [15:25] couple hours here [15:25] couple hours there [15:25] but but but... night? [15:26] i took a nap in the student lounge at school one day [15:26] maco, missed any classes? [15:26] no set an alarm on my phone [15:27] I used to fall asleep on the bus home from school fairly often... and fairly often ended up at the end of the line.... [15:27] It's only rough for me when I have to follow a "normal" awake all day sleep all night pattern [15:28] jussi: oh i nap on the metro a lot [15:28] I usually end up with 6-8 hours of sleep during a 24 period with naps here and there [15:28] but i wake up at each station and look around then go back to sleep [15:28] the "normal" way only about 3 [15:28] maco, haha, I used to do that when I working in a town around 1 hour from home [15:28] * elky coughs and points to the channel name [15:29] oooooh, sorry [15:29] back to the point, akgraner, can ya review elky latest work? (I think its awesome) [15:29] yeah I am looking at it now [15:30] it's great!! [15:30] :-) [15:30] :) [15:31] you all rock! [15:31] elky, some time you have to teach me how to do those rays :) [15:32] * akgraner wants to learn how to use inkscape [15:32] but on the back burner [15:32] akgraner, I thought maco was goign to teach you at next conf? [15:32] cute! [15:32] nigelbabu: yeah but im not expert either :P [15:32] yeah - I am just lamenting [15:32] nigelbabu, I stole http://www.openclipart.org/detail/18368 then took out the layers I didn't want, then chose the ubuntu yellow and then put a radial gradient on it [15:32] maco, look at logs, elky and I were looking at some awesome cuteness [15:33] yeah search for "*melt*" [15:33] elky, aah, nice :) [15:33] i saw your flickr links [15:33] serious baby is serious [15:33] elky> http://www.flickr.com/photos/amilianna/2336409188/ <--- *melt* [15:34] she can't be even 2yrs old there [15:34] * nigelbabu is still melting about this one [15:35] i'd be right too http://www.flickr.com/photos/amilianna/239992926/in/set-72157594278682695/ [15:37] ahhh :) [15:41] elky, you've fixed the attribution at your end right? [15:41] yep, should be [15:42] I think this is ready for some publicity [15:42] Facebook tagging, flickr tagging [15:44] Has he responded yet? [15:44] nope, just wakey wakey time I suppose [15:45] anyone know what time zone is Regina, SK? [15:45] well, CST, so its 8:45 am on a saturday [15:46] it's canada, so somewhere between me and akk [15:47] ha [15:47] CST or CDT? [15:48] if theyre in daylight savings time too, its 947 [15:48] CST [15:48] according to my gnome clock... what does kde say? ;) [15:49] i dont have it configured for saskatchewan so i dont know :P [15:49] find it surprising theyre not on daylight time yet though [15:50] maco, I find it surprising that they have the sense not to use DST [15:51] heh [15:59] elky, w00t, he reponded [15:59] responded [15:59] Thanks for contacting me. This sounds like a wonderful project, and I'm happy that the photograph (of my daughter) will be helpful. The attribution is correct. Thanks, and best of luck. [16:00] yay [16:01] * nigelbabu is jumping up and down [16:03] WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! [16:04] once we have everything set, I'll mail him the links where he can see the end product :) [16:08] elky, so, how are we going to distribute, attach pdfs and smaller pics for blogs, facebook, etc? [16:09] I'll export a png if you like [16:09] I could use a png [16:10] smaller though ;) [16:18] http://geekosophical.net/misc/UW_WPD_2010_small.png [16:18] thank you :) [16:19] http://geekosophical.net/misc/UW_WPD_2010_smallest.png [16:19] choice! [16:20] why is wget not working :/ [16:21] elky, the attribution we offered to put was "http://www.flickr.com/photos/courosa/ / *http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc-sa/2.0/*" [16:21] Oh, I didn't read your email properly [16:21] * elky fixes [16:22] this is what amber added in later [16:22] why the * around the licence? [16:22] remove it [16:41] uploading to wiki currently http://wiki.ubuntu-women.org/Events/Competitions/WorldPlayDay/Poster [16:43] that was the lic that the owner had embedded to the pic in flickr [16:43] sorry so mis-read that [16:43] hahaha [16:44] this is what happens to insomaniacs :D [16:44] * nigelbabu runs [16:44] * akgraner makes note to quit abbreviating things [16:45]