| riot | wow, i tried to start jack but the jackctl stopped working.. i killed it and tried starting it again, now gnome-desktop is crashing and restarting all the time | 00:22 |
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| riot | sigh.. why is jack so fickle... never ever made it run | 00:26 |
| riot | oh, wow, strange, now it runs, though i don't know why | 00:30 |
| tertitten | I'm on ubuntu 10.04 b2, If I install all the metapackages for ubuntu studio it would be pretty much the same as installing the DVD image for ubuntustudio 10.04 b2 ? | 03:19 |
| tertitten | I'm concerned if it will work just as ubuntu-studio or not... | 03:19 |
| riot | tertitten: i just did that (upgrade from cd-install) and i'm concerned about it. Some stuff doesn't really work, but thats not necessarily related... | 04:27 |
| riot | Linux + Audio is still rather... infantile.. | 04:27 |
| riot | ...sadly | 04:27 |
| tucemiux | riot, whats not working on your machine?? | 04:28 |
| tucemiux | riot, i have a minor problem with the drivers but other than an annoying setting it works just fine, it all depends on the hardwre youre using, all the appz work awesome in ubuntustudio -- out of the box | 04:29 |
| riot | hmhmm, hat severe problems with many apps.. | 04:34 |
| riot | and compared to (bloody) windows/mac-stuff, most of the linux-software is (i as a linux evangelist have to admit it) rather bad, with very few shining exceptions | 04:35 |
| tucemiux | riot, it all depends on your hardware | 04:36 |
| riot | and i think the main reason for that is the stupid mess those OSS folks from 4front did to linux' audio capabilities.. | 04:36 |
| tucemiux | riot, nope it's pulse audio | 04:37 |
| riot | no, i don't think so. Its plain stupid consumerist hardware | 04:37 |
| riot | jack is fickle shit, too. | 04:37 |
| riot | i prefer alsa but see its shortcomings, too | 04:37 |
| tucemiux | riot, are you using ubuntustudio on a pc or a mac? | 04:37 |
| riot | pc. | 04:37 |
| tucemiux | no i mean, seriously | 04:37 |
| riot | i'd prefer not touching a mac again in the next millenia. | 04:38 |
| riot | though, with linux on it, i might reconsider.. | 04:38 |
| tucemiux | what issue have youve experienced witj jack?? O_O | 04:38 |
| riot | it wouldn't even start with the recommended adjustments to /etc/security/limits... and as i say, its fickle.. hexter refused to do stereo sound, e.g. | 04:39 |
| riot | it took quite some fiddling with the settings to make jack run at all. | 04:39 |
| riot | then, this control-GUI just crashes (badly! only killable via console/taskmanager) when jackd fucks up (..again and again) | 04:40 |
| tucemiux | what type of computer do you have? desktop or laptop? | 04:40 |
| riot | the routing idea is quite good.. but have you ever seen how its done in reason? | 04:40 |
| riot | its a very rocksolid selfbuilt workstation with a nforce 2.0 chipset. | 04:41 |
| tucemiux | "selfbuilt" is the hint, no wonder stuff doesnt work O_o | 04:41 |
| riot | and its not the only box i've tried to use jack on. All my machines "don't like it". Thinkpads, Athlons, Intels... | 04:41 |
| tucemiux | what are the specz? | 04:41 |
| tucemiux | ummm... i tried it on an old pentium 3 laptop and it worked just fine | 04:42 |
| riot | are you insulting me now? I sell pcs on a large scale for living.... | 04:42 |
| tucemiux | LoL | 04:42 |
| tucemiux | riot the problems with linux is the hardware, if youre having problems with it it's the hardware, something not right, you should file a bug report in launchpad and request for the developers to fix it | 04:43 |
| riot | aaaahaha. no, i'm using linux for so long now to know better. Its NOT always the hardware - but often enough, yes. | 04:43 |
| riot | And esp. with soundcards, yes often enough... | 04:43 |
| tucemiux | ok well sometimes it's the software and that can be fixed, for instace pulse audio is an aberration, dont say this in #ubuntu-offtopic or flannel will own you | 04:44 |
| riot | but the stuff here is very mainstream | 04:44 |
| riot | hmhm, i use pulse-audio only on maemo, where it causes only light problems. | 04:44 |
| riot | but still, it causes some.. ;) | 04:45 |
| riot | alsa is annoying sometimes but generally just works. Esp. the midi-shit is well done, imho. | 04:45 |
| tucemiux | had very little problems with alsa, pulse audio is the one that drives me cwazy | 04:46 |
| tucemiux | i finally learned how to record though, i can record beats created with hydrogen, a tune with zynaddsubfx, and mix it all with ardour, works like a charm | 04:47 |
| riot | alsa can be stupid if you have more than one card, but i believe thats rather sorted out, by now. | 04:47 |
| riot | yes, hydrogen and ardour are nice. | 04:47 |
| riot | audacity is nice, too - but still has a few bad design-flaws, interfacewise | 04:48 |
| riot | i'm programming audio-apps with python-pygame, which uses sdl.. Thats rather nice, though i'm mostly doing midi only... | 04:50 |
| tucemiux | riot, if you can program then you should be able to track own the problems and ask someone to fix them O_o | 04:53 |
| riot | i'm too lazy and have to little time. | 04:54 |
| riot | and i don't like hacking around in hardware ./. linux stuff | 04:54 |
| riot | i'm either programming embedded systems or hacking away in python ;) | 04:55 |
| riot | the ideal means to combine both is midi - or protocols like it | 04:55 |
| tucemiux | ah ok so you dont really have the time, good excuse, you at least have time to play around with ubuntustudio ? I'm learning how to record really good, im thinking about buying a nice USB audio card | 04:56 |
| holstein | get the zoom | 04:58 |
| holstein | the H4 | 04:58 |
| holstein | tucemiux: did you decide on a mic? | 04:58 |
| tucemiux | holstein, we already talked about the sound card, yes i decided on the mic but i guess i should get the sound card first, it definetely wont be an H4, i just got some nice sennheiser headphone, they got delivered today | 04:59 |
| holstein | tucemiux: the H4 comes with very decent mics | 05:00 |
| holstein | 2 of them | 05:00 |
| holstein | and 2 more channels | 05:00 |
| holstein | for other mics | 05:00 |
| holstein | ANY other mics | 05:01 |
| holstein | thats a lot of solutions in one little box | 05:01 |
| riot | tucemiux: its weekend, and i wanted to see if a pre-configured distro (instead of debian ;) makes a difference, regarding to jack and other stuff. | 05:01 |
| riot | sadly, i'm a bit disappointed :/ | 05:02 |
| holstein | riot: whats the issue? | 05:02 |
| * holstein looks back at the scroll | 05:02 | |
| riot | holstein: too many to summarize quickly. | 05:02 |
| riot | and its too late, gotta sleep (6 am here) | 05:02 |
| tucemiux | riot, did you install it on a virtual machine or on a mac? | 05:02 |
| riot | tucemiux: as i mentioned on a selfbuilt, very trusty workstation. Which is quite old (an athlon 2k) but still a good, stable workhorse. | 05:03 |
| tucemiux | riot, one last thing you can try is a brand new hard drive, ive had headaches with linux which was traced to the hard drive but we can talk about it some other day, go get yourself some zz's | 05:03 |
| riot | no, the hdd is fine, the whole hardware is fine. | 05:04 |
| tucemiux | riot, then it's the support for the hardware on linux | 05:04 |
| riot | we've gone through that... | 05:04 |
| Blank__ | haha we're talking about the H4 here too? | 06:16 |
| holstein | yup | 06:16 |
| holstein | its a winner :) | 06:17 |
| tertitten | cheers, Im trying to install ubuntu studio 10.04 b2 from a USB Pen drive (loaded with Unetbootin) I get a error concerning no kernel available during installation, then later in the installation it download the latest kernel from the lucid repos, then after the installation finalizes I reboot and then get spoofed to terminal where I'm now stucked. ... | 08:31 |
| tertitten | can anyone help out, or first of all, is it possible to install from USB Pen drive ? It works fine with ubuntu lucid beta 2... I'm suspecting the latest kernel from the repos though, cause I've heard that there was a few that had some problems with it and needed to revert, don't know if that is the issue here though | 08:33 |
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