[00:22] <riot> wow, i tried to start jack but the jackctl stopped working.. i killed it and tried starting it again, now gnome-desktop is crashing and restarting all the time
[00:26] <riot> sigh.. why is jack so fickle... never ever made it run
[00:30] <riot> oh, wow, strange, now it runs, though i don't know why
[03:19] <tertitten> I'm on ubuntu 10.04 b2, If I install all the metapackages for ubuntu studio it would be pretty much the same as installing the DVD image for ubuntustudio 10.04 b2 ?
[03:19] <tertitten> I'm concerned if it will work just as ubuntu-studio or not...
[04:27] <riot> tertitten: i just did that (upgrade from cd-install) and i'm concerned about it. Some stuff doesn't really work, but thats not necessarily related...
[04:27] <riot> Linux + Audio is still rather... infantile..
[04:27] <riot> ...sadly
[04:28] <tucemiux> riot, whats not working on your machine??
[04:29] <tucemiux> riot, i have a minor problem with the drivers but other than an annoying setting it works just fine, it all depends on the hardwre youre using, all the appz work awesome in ubuntustudio -- out of the box
[04:34] <riot> hmhmm, hat severe problems with many apps..
[04:35] <riot> and compared to (bloody) windows/mac-stuff, most of the linux-software is (i as a linux evangelist have to admit it) rather bad, with very few shining exceptions
[04:36] <tucemiux> riot, it all depends on your hardware
[04:36] <riot> and i think the main reason for that is the stupid mess those OSS folks from 4front did to linux' audio capabilities..
[04:37] <tucemiux> riot, nope it's pulse audio
[04:37] <riot> no, i don't think so. Its plain stupid consumerist hardware
[04:37] <riot> jack is fickle shit, too.
[04:37] <riot> i prefer alsa but see its shortcomings, too
[04:37] <tucemiux> riot, are you using ubuntustudio on a pc or a mac?
[04:37] <riot> pc.
[04:37] <tucemiux> no i mean, seriously
[04:38] <riot> i'd prefer not touching a mac again in the next millenia.
[04:38] <riot> though, with linux on it, i might reconsider..
[04:38] <tucemiux> what issue have youve experienced witj jack?? O_O
[04:39] <riot> it wouldn't even start with the recommended adjustments to /etc/security/limits... and as i say, its fickle.. hexter refused to do stereo sound, e.g.
[04:39] <riot> it took quite some fiddling with the settings to make jack run at all.
[04:40] <riot> then, this control-GUI just crashes (badly! only killable via console/taskmanager) when jackd fucks up (..again and again)
[04:40] <tucemiux> what type of computer do you have? desktop or laptop?
[04:40] <riot> the routing idea is quite good.. but have you ever seen how its done in reason?
[04:41] <riot> its a very rocksolid selfbuilt workstation with a nforce 2.0 chipset.
[04:41] <tucemiux> "selfbuilt" is the hint, no wonder stuff doesnt work O_o
[04:41] <riot> and its not the only box i've tried to use jack on. All my machines "don't like it". Thinkpads, Athlons, Intels...
[04:41] <tucemiux> what are the specz?
[04:42] <tucemiux> ummm... i tried it on an old pentium 3 laptop and it worked just fine
[04:42] <riot> are you insulting me now? I sell pcs on a large scale for living....
[04:42] <tucemiux> LoL
[04:43] <tucemiux>  riot  the problems with linux is the hardware, if youre having problems with it it's the hardware, something not right, you should file a bug report in launchpad and request for the developers to fix it
[04:43] <riot> aaaahaha. no, i'm using linux for so long now to know better. Its NOT always the hardware - but often enough, yes.
[04:43] <riot> And esp. with soundcards, yes often enough...
[04:44] <tucemiux> ok well sometimes it's the software and that can be fixed, for instace pulse audio is an aberration, dont say this in #ubuntu-offtopic or flannel will own you
[04:44] <riot> but the stuff here is very mainstream
[04:44] <riot> hmhm, i use pulse-audio only on maemo, where it causes only light problems.
[04:45] <riot> but still, it causes some.. ;)
[04:45] <riot> alsa is annoying sometimes but generally just works. Esp. the midi-shit is well done, imho.
[04:46] <tucemiux> had very little problems with alsa, pulse audio is the one that drives me cwazy
[04:47] <tucemiux> i finally learned how to record though, i can record beats created with hydrogen, a tune with zynaddsubfx, and mix it all with ardour, works like a charm
[04:47] <riot> alsa can be stupid if you have more than one card, but i believe thats rather sorted out, by now.
[04:47] <riot> yes, hydrogen and ardour are nice.
[04:48] <riot> audacity is nice, too - but still has a few bad design-flaws, interfacewise
[04:50] <riot> i'm programming audio-apps with python-pygame, which uses sdl.. Thats rather nice, though i'm mostly doing midi only...
[04:53] <tucemiux> riot, if you can program then you should be able to track own the problems and ask someone to fix them O_o
[04:54] <riot> i'm too lazy and have to little time.
[04:54] <riot> and i don't like hacking around in hardware ./. linux stuff
[04:55] <riot> i'm either programming embedded systems or hacking away in python ;)
[04:55] <riot> the ideal means to combine both is midi - or protocols like it
[04:56] <tucemiux> ah ok so you dont really have the time, good excuse, you at least have time to play around with ubuntustudio ?  I'm learning how to record really good, im thinking about buying a nice USB audio card
[04:58] <holstein> get the zoom
[04:58] <holstein> the H4
[04:58] <holstein> tucemiux: did you decide on a mic?
[04:59] <tucemiux> holstein, we already talked about the sound card, yes i decided on the mic but i guess i should get the sound card first, it definetely wont be an H4, i just got some nice sennheiser headphone, they got delivered today
[05:00] <holstein> tucemiux: the H4 comes with very decent mics
[05:00] <holstein> 2 of them
[05:00] <holstein> and 2 more channels
[05:00] <holstein> for other mics
[05:01] <holstein> ANY other mics
[05:01] <holstein> thats a lot of solutions in one little box
[05:01] <riot> tucemiux: its weekend, and i wanted to see if a pre-configured distro (instead of debian ;) makes a difference, regarding to jack and other stuff.
[05:02] <riot> sadly, i'm a bit disappointed :/
[05:02] <holstein> riot: whats the issue?
[05:02]  * holstein looks back at the scroll
[05:02] <riot> holstein: too many to summarize quickly.
[05:02] <riot> and its too late, gotta sleep (6 am here)
[05:02] <tucemiux> riot,  did you install it on a virtual machine or on a mac?
[05:03] <riot> tucemiux: as i mentioned on a selfbuilt, very trusty workstation. Which is quite old (an athlon 2k) but still a good, stable workhorse.
[05:03] <tucemiux> riot, one last thing you can try is a brand new hard drive, ive had headaches with linux which was traced to the hard drive but we can talk about it some other day, go get yourself some zz's
[05:04] <riot> no, the hdd is fine, the whole hardware is fine.
[05:04] <tucemiux> riot, then it's the support for the hardware on linux
[05:04] <riot> we've gone through that...
[06:16] <Blank__> haha we're talking about the H4 here too?
[06:16] <holstein> yup
[06:17] <holstein> its a winner :)
[08:31] <tertitten> cheers, Im trying to install ubuntu studio 10.04 b2 from a USB Pen drive (loaded with Unetbootin) I get a error concerning no kernel available during installation, then later in the installation it download the latest kernel from the lucid repos, then after the installation finalizes I reboot and then get spoofed to terminal where I'm now stucked. ...
[08:33] <tertitten> can anyone help out, or first of all, is it possible to install from USB Pen drive ? It works fine with ubuntu lucid beta 2... I'm suspecting the latest kernel from the repos though, cause I've heard that there was a few that had some problems with it and needed to revert, don't know if that is the issue here though