[01:43] <daker> godbyk, if you could pls point test.ubuntu-manual.org to lp:ubuntu-manual-website/main ??
[01:43] <godbyk> daker: sure. give me a few minutes to download that repository.
[01:43] <daker> oki
[01:43] <godbyk> (and hope that my internet connection holds up!)
[01:44] <daker> lp:ubuntu-manual-website
[01:44] <godbyk> daker: do you want me to set it to auto-update?
[01:45] <daker> yes
[01:46] <humphreybc> daker: how long are you going to be around for?
[01:47] <daker> about 2hours or less
[01:47] <godbyk> daker: should be up now.
[01:47] <humphreybc> ah
[01:47] <humphreybc> i'll get that mockup done later today, you'll see it in your inbox when you come back tomorrow
[01:47] <humphreybc> godbyk, what am I looking at?
[01:48] <humphreybc> ah ha
[01:48] <humphreybc> video
[01:48] <humphreybc> fantastic
[01:48] <godbyk> ?
[01:48] <godbyk> http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/
[01:48] <humphreybc> yeah
[01:48] <humphreybc> video is there
[01:49] <humphreybc> daker, contributors page is looking great
[01:49] <daker> :D
[01:49] <humphreybc> i'll finish the contributors video today and re-render it
[01:50] <daker> see the new shadowbox
[01:50] <humphreybc> shadowbox?
[01:51] <daker> there is a shadow arround the page content
[01:51] <humphreybc> there is?
[01:51] <daker> yes
[01:51] <humphreybc> I can't see it
[01:51] <daker> your are using Chrome ?
[01:51] <humphreybc> yup
[01:52] <daker> screenshot pls
[01:52] <humphreybc> i can see it in firefox
[01:53] <humphreybc> screenshot in a sec
[01:53] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ump-no-shadow.png
[01:56] <daker> this in Chrome ?
[01:56] <humphreybc> yep
[01:56] <daker> odd
[01:58] <godbyk> daker: is the language dropdown filled dynamically based on which translation files are available? or is the list hard-coded?
[01:59] <daker> in filed on the includes/config.php file
[01:59] <daker> it's*
[02:01] <humphreybc> hehehe
[02:01] <humphreybc> "mpt @TheUbuntuManual I’m torn between feeling lust for real Marmite, or alarm that a book is eating toast."
[02:02] <daker> hhhh
[02:02] <daker> godbyk, you can see the shadowbox ?
[02:03] <daker> humphreybc, http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/9573/capturesq.png
[02:03] <humphreybc> daker, yeah, it looks like that in firefox for me
[02:03] <humphreybc> i'll do a side-by-side comparison for ye
[02:04] <daker> you are sur that there is no cache files?
[02:04] <humphreybc> positive
[02:05] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/ff-chrome-ump.png
[02:06] <humphreybc> chrome on the left, firefox on the right
[02:07] <godbyk> daker: I'm using Chrome and can't see it either.
[02:10] <daker> normaly the css should works, tbBox-shadow is supported by Firefox (since the latest 3.5 version), Safari (since version 3.1) and by Chrome (since its first version) and Opera
[02:11] <daker> the* Box-shadow
[02:11] <daker> this is really odd
[02:12]  * daker is installing Chrome
[02:14] <daker> godbyk, other thing
[02:15] <daker> if you could pls push the lp:ubuntu-manua-website/main/includes/languages/ubu_man_website_translations.pot
[02:16] <daker> to the main branch of the manual in /website/includes/languages/
[02:16] <daker> replace the old one
[02:18] <godbyk> daker: yeah, let me look into it.
[02:30] <daker> yeah humphreybc it doesn't work in chrome
[02:34] <humphreybc> oh well
[02:35] <humphreybc> remove the drop shadow altogether
[02:35] <humphreybc> my mockup for the social thing will work better without a drop shadow around the content box
[02:35] <daker> let me look :)
[02:35] <humphreybc> i haven't made it yet :P
[02:36] <daker> oki
[02:44] <godbyk> humphreybc: amazon just emailed me this recommendation: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0596804849/ref=snp_dp
[02:44] <humphreybc> hey nice, an O'Reilly book
[02:45] <humphreybc> covers 10.04 too
[02:45] <humphreybc> very ugly cover :P
[02:45] <humphreybc> he's probably pissed at us for stealing all the glory
[02:46] <humphreybc> (and being a damn sight cheaper)
[02:50] <humphreybc> anyway, i'm off, gotta do some chores
[02:50] <godbyk> k
[03:39] <daker> Daker-shbot, ping
[03:40] <daker> Daker-shbot: ping
[03:40] <Daker-shbot> pong
[03:41] <daker> night all
[04:47] <humphreybc> godbyk, what do you reckon
[04:47] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/social-top.png
[04:47] <humphreybc> or
[04:47] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.homeip.net/files/social-right.png
[05:36] <IlyaHaykinson> sorry all, had to miss the meeting earlier
[05:47] <humphreybc> Ilya, no worries
[05:48] <humphreybc> check out http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/MaiZTb4Fjd
[05:48] <humphreybc> godbyk, what do I have to do?
[05:50] <IlyaHaykinson> nod. just finished going through logs and through the pads
[05:51] <humphreybc> groovy
[05:51] <IlyaHaykinson> i like the persona thing (though we'll want to spend a bit more time testing that persona -- for example, we should be sure that it'll resonate with our readers.. perhaps we can create four or five abridged personae and run through them with a quick survey)
[05:51] <IlyaHaykinson> the other thing is i'm not sure about the #3 goal for maverick
[05:51] <IlyaHaykinson> i.e. the developer manual etc
[05:52] <humphreybc> what are you not sure about It?
[05:52] <humphreybc> that doesn't make sense but i'm sure you get me haha
[05:52] <IlyaHaykinson> right. i guess i would rather focus on ubuntu, still, but focus on completeness
[05:52] <IlyaHaykinson> we have a lot (a _lot_) of holes in the manual right now
[05:53] <humphreybc> yup, and we're going to fix those for the lucid 2nd edition
[05:53] <IlyaHaykinson> and i think it'd take some effort to fill them.
[05:53] <IlyaHaykinson> well, no, i don't mean bugs
[05:53] <IlyaHaykinson> or just thigns that are slightly off.
[05:53] <humphreybc> sure
[05:53] <IlyaHaykinson> i think we can get things fixed up into shape and 100% error free for Lucid-E2
[05:53] <humphreybc> we've got six months. we're aiming for the 2nd edition to have all _bugs_ fixed and the maverick release to have all the (relevant) content there
[05:54] <humphreybc> meanwhile we can work on the contributors manual too
[05:54] <humphreybc> most of which won't be written from scratch
[05:54] <IlyaHaykinson> i guess i am not sure what the contributors manual woudl include
[05:54] <humphreybc> it would basically be an introduction to each area that people can contribute to
[05:55] <humphreybc> there would be a summary of what that would involve, what prior experience you'll need (if any), perhaps some instructions on how to get started and then contact details/links for further help
[05:55] <IlyaHaykinson> i.e. "how to contribute to ubuntu design", "how to be a gnome developer", "packaging apps"?
[05:55] <IlyaHaykinson> why should _our_ team do this?
[05:55] <humphreybc> why shouldn't we?
[05:56] <IlyaHaykinson> well, for one, it seems quite different from a normal manual.
[05:56] <humphreybc> it is
[05:56] <IlyaHaykinson> i think that we (should) have our hands full of the main manual
[05:56] <IlyaHaykinson> i.e. the best _user_ manual
[05:56] <IlyaHaykinson> whereas the contributor manual seems somewhat orthogonal to our focus
[05:56] <IlyaHaykinson> i don't mean to disparage it. it's a great idea.
[05:57] <IlyaHaykinson> but it seems like the problems that we have for maverick are pretty large
[05:57] <humphreybc> i'm confident we can do well
[05:57] <humphreybc> hopefully after UDS we'll have better ties with the docs team and the learning project
[05:57] <IlyaHaykinson> 1) open office, 2) there'll be major changes, probably with a new gnome, 3) actually useful troubleshooting sections
[05:57] <humphreybc> right. gnome-shell isn't going to be in maverick
[05:58] <IlyaHaykinson> ah.
[05:58] <humphreybc> well, it's highly unlikely
[05:58] <IlyaHaykinson> and of course the other two big efforts in using the persona and creating a good quick-start guide
[05:58] <IlyaHaykinson> i guess i think with a contributor guide we'd be spreading ourselves too thin
[05:58] <humphreybc> the contributors manual will be a lot different to what we've already done, in the fact that it will mainly re-use content from the respective help on team pages etc
[05:59] <IlyaHaykinson> plus there is no hard deadline for a contributor guide. i.e. we could say that we can work on it after the maverick freeze, for example.
[05:59] <humphreybc> we have to have a new publication every release if we want to keep growing and attracting new people, it'll be difficult but I reckon we can nail it.
[05:59] <humphreybc> yeah well exactly, the contributors guide doesn't have to come out at maverick
[06:00] <IlyaHaykinson> ok. i still don't like it super-much in terms of focus, but as long as it does not get in the way of the main manual work, i support it.
[06:01] <humphreybc> yeah, it won't, top priority is the ubuntu manual
[06:01] <humphreybc> all of this is subject to a few things, like if we have enough people, if we have enough interest from the rest of the community
[06:01] <IlyaHaykinson> also, a question about lulu.com -- was a decision made to use it?
[06:01] <humphreybc> yep
[06:01] <IlyaHaykinson> i don't really understand the workflow.
[06:02] <IlyaHaykinson> it seems like with lulu anyone can print a copy.
[06:02] <humphreybc> godbyk can explain, if he's around
[06:02] <IlyaHaykinson> if _we_ print a bunch of copies, we'd have to pay for shipping to someone's location. and then that person would have to pay for shipping to each user.
[06:02] <humphreybc> no, we don't print them
[06:02] <humphreybc> we just upload the PDF and make it available, then people order it as if they were ordering a book from amazon
[06:03] <IlyaHaykinson> ok. so in that case it just saves them the step of uploading, right?
[06:03] <humphreybc> but we upload it with set options like black and white, paperback, sizes and stuff
[06:03] <humphreybc> basically, yeah
[06:03] <IlyaHaykinson> there's no price break, and it's free for us.
[06:03] <humphreybc> doesn't cost us a cent
[06:03] <humphreybc> and all the customer pays for is the cost of printing and shipping
[06:03] <humphreybc> we don't make any money
[06:03] <humphreybc> hence why we can offer it for $9.75 USD
[06:03] <humphreybc> for the most basic version
[06:04] <IlyaHaykinson> ok.
[06:04] <humphreybc> :)
[06:04] <IlyaHaykinson> well, except for the cheap paper.
[06:04] <IlyaHaykinson> + shipping
[06:05] <humphreybc> yeah I think that's + shipping
[06:06] <humphreybc> basically our project should keep growing and we should have many publications available for users to choose from
[06:06] <humphreybc> in all sorts of formats and covering lots of different topics
[06:06] <humphreybc> that's the ultimate goal
[06:06] <IlyaHaykinson> nod
[06:06] <humphreybc> our flagship will always be "Getting Started with Ubuntu" though
[06:07] <humphreybc> and each new feature for each release doesn't have to be a new manual
[06:07] <humphreybc> we could have a LaTeX GUI editor for the 11.04 cycle
[06:07] <humphreybc> or maybe our own translation infastructure
[06:07] <IlyaHaykinson> blurb.com also prints books... seems like it may be cheaper
[06:07] <IlyaHaykinson> http://www.blurb.com/create/book/pricing#bw-text
[06:07] <humphreybc> or our own bug reporting tool using the launchpad API
[06:07] <humphreybc> there are literally "unlimited possibilities" for our team ;)
[06:08] <humphreybc> true, a dollar cheaper
[06:08] <IlyaHaykinson> actually that cheaper pricing is for smaller page sizes
[06:08] <humphreybc> 5x8 inches
[06:08] <humphreybc> that's quite small
[06:08] <humphreybc> it would probably work out around the same price
[06:13] <IlyaHaykinson> yeah, lulu makes the most sense
[06:13] <IlyaHaykinson> you know, we should probably have a "read online" version on the site... using the google PDF reader, which i think you can embed
[06:13] <IlyaHaykinson> so that people don't need to download the PDF
[06:17] <humphreybc> yeah, I think someone else mentioned that
[06:40] <IlyaHaykinson> also check out https://www.createspace.com/Products/Book/
[06:54] <vish> humphreybc: " covering lots of different topics "  ? expanding the manual?
[06:56] <humphreybc> vish, hmm?
[06:56] <vish>  <humphreybc> in all sorts of formats and covering lots of different topics
[06:56] <vish> was just reading the scrollback and noticed that :)
[06:57] <vish> humphreybc> basically our project should keep growing and we should have many publications available for users to choose from
[06:57] <humphreybc> oh yeah
[06:58] <vish> humphreybc: heys , i'll be at the UDS too :)
[06:58] <vish> heya*
[06:58] <humphreybc> nice!
[06:59] <humphreybc> what day do you arrive?
[06:59] <vish> 9th
[07:00] <vish> humphreybc: hehe , my flight arrives at 7am and i thought i was early ;p
[07:00] <humphreybc> lol
[07:02] <vish> humphreybc: btw, sort your time by arrival! you have it among the 9th arrivals ;)
[07:02] <humphreybc> i do?
[07:02] <humphreybc> link?
[07:02] <vish> humphreybc: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UDS-M/Attendees
[07:03] <humphreybc> oh i forgot to change the date
[07:03] <humphreybc> i do arrive on the 9th
[07:03] <vish> ha , then infact I'm early :s
[07:03] <humphreybc> lol you are
[07:04] <humphreybc> changed
[07:05] <vish> humphreybc: the share a taxi column is to select that you *want/prefer* to share  or already have a person you are sharing with?
[07:06] <vish> the ./
[07:06] <humphreybc> I think it's want/prefer
[07:06] <vish> k.
[07:07] <vish> well popey might know.. ;) popey^ ? prefer or already have a person ?
[07:07] <humphreybc> he'll be asleep :P
[07:08] <humphreybc> it's 6am on a sunday morning
[07:08] <vish> lazy brits ;p
[07:08] <humphreybc> it's prefer, because i know that everyone isn't already hooked up that well
[07:08] <vish> ah , cool
[07:09] <humphreybc> my roommate is on the same flight as me :D
[07:09] <vish> yup , popey is probably still asleep , no tweets ;)
[07:09] <vish> humphreybc: lucky you!
[07:32] <humphreybc> change of plan, we're not going to do the contributors manual, instead we're doing something better
[08:34] <dutchie> humphreybc: thought of something else for that LP translations thing
[08:59] <ubuntujenkins> morning
[09:01] <dutchie> o/
[09:04] <humphreybc> dutchie: sort of, will keep thinking and I'll have something more concrete after UDS
[09:04] <humphreybc> (oh no it's nothing to do with translations)
[09:05] <dutchie> I meant I did
[09:05] <dutchie> could be useful to be able to get a list of everyone who's contributed a translation
[09:06] <humphreybc> oh righto
[09:06] <humphreybc> true
[09:07] <humphreybc> let's add our ideas to this
[09:07] <humphreybc> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMPtranslations
[09:13]  * popey waves
[09:14] <humphreybc> hey Alan
[09:14] <humphreybc> you're up way too early for a Sunday
[09:14] <popey> the taxi column is "I am willing/able to share" as opposed to "I have made my own arrangements"
[09:14] <popey> i have kids
[09:15] <popey> been up for over an hour
[09:15] <humphreybc> Cool, vish, you get that?
[09:15] <popey> watching the GP whilst making bacon sarnies
[09:15] <humphreybc> Martin and I are on the same plane from London which is nice, so we're going to catch the train
[09:15] <humphreybc> I think I'm rooming with him too
[09:15] <popey> plane from london to..?
[09:15] <humphreybc> ah yes, kids, of course
[09:15] <humphreybc> brussels
[09:15] <popey> ah, and train from there
[09:16] <humphreybc> yeah
[09:16] <humphreybc> it's like 9 euro and a few minutes walk to train, opposed to like 50 euro for a taxi
[09:16] <humphreybc> or so the wiki reckons :P
[09:17] <vish> popey: thanks :)
[09:19] <vish> humphreybc: i was actually thinking of using the train too.. would be nice to have a look around ;)
[09:19] <humphreybc> yeah
[09:20] <humphreybc> absolutely
[09:20] <humphreybc> is anyone keen to go and have a look at the musical instruments museum?
[09:20] <humphreybc> Martin and I might go along on Saturday
[09:20] <humphreybc> we go out for dinner each night, right popey?
[09:23] <dutchie> where is the uds?#
[09:23] <humphreybc> http://www.dolce-la-hulpe-brussels-hotel.com/
[09:24] <dutchie> so in brussels
[09:24] <humphreybc> yea
[09:24] <humphreybc> what were you in Brussels for recently dutchie?
[09:24] <dutchie> never actually been to brussels
[09:24] <dutchie> i spent 4 days rowing in gent
[09:24] <humphreybc> ah, rowing in belgium. gotcha
[09:25] <humphreybc> I can't wait to see some old architecture
[09:25] <humphreybc> NZ is a really new country (<200 years old) so we don't have a lot of grand old buildings down here
[09:25] <dutchie> sounds distinctly usanian, that
[09:25] <popey> humphreybc: not always
[09:25] <popey> there are a few events organised
[09:25] <popey> but often it's just people get together and say 'lets go out'
[09:25] <popey> one of the problems is the number of people
[09:25] <humphreybc> oh nice, such as? I know there is stuff on the friday like the all stars (which i'm hopefully going to be playing drums for)
[09:25] <popey> if everyone goes out together we'll never find a restaurant big enough
[09:26] <humphreybc> this is cool: http://www.wmagazine.com/images/travel/2008/11/trar_brussels_02.jpg
[09:26] <popey> in seville we went to a castle/museum
[09:26] <popey> in SFO we went to the computer history museum
[09:26] <humphreybc> where were the last 6 UDS'?
[09:27] <popey> sevilla, boston, barcelona, texas, san francisco, prague
[09:27] <popey> not in that order
[09:27] <humphreybc> Prague would have been cool
[09:27] <dutchie> prague's nice
[09:27] <humphreybc> so where's UDS-N going to be... USA...
[09:27] <popey> it usually alternates between europe and usa, yes
[09:28] <humphreybc> One in Canada would be neat
[09:28] <popey> so the order of those above was sevilla, boston, prague, san francisco, barcelona, texas
[09:28] <humphreybc> neat
[09:29] <humphreybc> your pick for UDS-N?
[09:29] <dutchie> worcester
[09:29] <humphreybc> hahahahahaha
[09:29] <popey> it will already be at least pencilled in
[09:29] <humphreybc> yeah i'd imagine they'd book a bit in advance
[09:29] <dutchie> actually, by then I'll probably be at uni
[09:29] <popey> finding a decent venue for it is hard
[09:29] <humphreybc> Montana?
[09:29] <nisshh> hey all
[09:29] <nisshh> im back
[09:30] <humphreybc> I was looking at the Dolce chain of hotels before, pretty amazing
[09:30] <popey> the canonical IS guys go in and take over the internet access, replacing all their access points with ubuntu ones
[09:30] <humphreybc> http://www.dolce.com/portfolio/portfolio.asp?LangID=1
[09:30] <popey> so we get flooded wifi access
[09:30] <humphreybc> oh really? nice. "Ubuntu ones" are special ones that can handle a tonne of connections?
[09:30] <humphreybc> hey nisshh back from your holiday!
[09:30] <popey> well, just well managed ones :)
[09:31] <humphreybc> haha nice
[09:31]  * dutchie is reminded of the oggcamp wifi
[09:31] <popey> and yes, they can cope with 200 odd people in one room
[09:31] <humphreybc> because the place is booked for a week, right
[09:31] <humphreybc> two weeks*
[09:31] <nisshh> humphreybc: yay!
[09:31] <dutchie> "there are two access points. one is the hotel's, which is rubbish. the other is this phone..."
[09:31] <humphreybc> dutchie: lol
[09:31] <popey> yeah, my nokia n82 :)
[09:31] <popey> running joikuspot
[09:31] <humphreybc> haha, so dutchie and popey, you've met?
[09:32] <popey> ya
[09:32] <humphreybc> nice
[09:32] <nisshh> cool
[09:32] <humphreybc> (they both live in the UK, unlike us nisshh) :P
[09:32] <popey> i have met 5 people in this channel
[09:32] <nisshh> humphreybc: hows the manual coming?
[09:32] <humphreybc> cool, who?
[09:32] <nisshh> hehe
[09:32] <nisshh> not me
[09:33] <popey> dave, dutchie, issy, jussi, pleia
[09:33] <humphreybc> nisshh: have a look for yourself :P not a lot has changed since the freeze, just working on translations
[09:33] <humphreybc> neat
[09:33]  * dutchie got 4 out of 5
[09:33] <popey> issy lives about 1 mile from me
[09:33] <popey> small world :)
[09:33] <humphreybc> there is only one other person in NZ going to UDS
[09:33] <humphreybc> a Canonical employee from Auckland, I believe
[09:33] <nisshh> poms are strange :)
[09:33]  * dutchie and popey have a nice long car journey to bond in soon :)
[09:34] <humphreybc> Tim (thum per) was going to go but I don't think he is now
[09:34] <humphreybc> the only other person I've met in person through Ubuntu is Tim, who lives in Dunedin
[09:34] <humphreybc> dutchie: you guys going someplace?
[09:34] <dutchie> oggcamp 10
[09:34] <humphreybc> oh neat
[09:34] <humphreybc> when's that?
[09:34] <nisshh> i would go to oggcamp if i lived in the UK
[09:34] <dutchie> weekend of may 1st
[09:35] <humphreybc> nisshh: heh, same here
[09:35]  * humphreybc probably should have gone to LCA when it was in Wellington
[09:35] <popey> ooo dutchie that reminds me!
[09:35] <popey> dutchie: do you have a laptop with optical drive?
[09:35] <dutchie> maybe
[09:35] <dutchie> it's not in a very good way
[09:35] <popey> we're going to spend the journey burning Lucid CDs :)
[09:35] <dutchie> wonderful
[09:36] <humphreybc> hahahaha! how long's the car trip?
[09:36] <popey> Al has an inverter in his car so we can keep laptops charged, and burn a load of CDs
[09:36] <dutchie> my psu exploded
[09:36] <popey> http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=FQ-yDgMdlkX0_yk7diSEwip0SDGqNq3it-vKNA%3BFdn7LgMd0o_S_ym3YHBkit96SDEBbhc_bwTcQg&q=gu14+to+liverpool&sll=53.800651,-4.064941&sspn=21.771205,29.663086&ie=UTF8&z=8&saddr=gu14&daddr=liverpool
[09:36] <popey> 4 hours
[09:36] <humphreybc> that's not too bad
[09:36] <humphreybc> oh nice it's in Liverpool
[09:36] <dutchie> might be a bit longer going via worcester
[09:37] <humphreybc> so popey, you live in Farnborough?
[09:37] <popey> ya
[09:37] <humphreybc> great, ever been to the Farnborough Air Show?
[09:37] <popey> yes
[09:37]  * humphreybc is jealous
[09:37] <popey> dont often need to given they fly over my hosue
[09:37] <popey> house*
[09:37]  * humphreybc is even more jealous
[09:38] <humphreybc> wow, Ivanka commutes from Brighton each day. that's ages away.
[09:38] <popey> nah
[09:38] <popey> direct line from brighton to victoria
[09:38] <popey> not bad
[09:38] <humphreybc> okay
[09:41] <nisshh> brb
[09:44] <humphreybc> popey: I see you're on the same train as Alan Bell, that'll be good
[09:46] <humphreybc> did anyone look at my proposals for the social media buttons on our site?
[09:46] <popey> yes
[09:46] <humphreybc> top, or left?
[09:46] <popey> er, train
[09:46] <humphreybc> i mean
[09:46] <humphreybc> right
[09:46] <humphreybc> oh
[09:46] <humphreybc> hahaha
[09:46] <humphreybc> what a hilarious misunderstanding
[09:46] <popey> http://carfax.org.uk/node/73
[09:47] <popey> Alan Bell on the left, Me on the right, Alan Lord in the middle
[09:47] <humphreybc> the 3 alans?
[09:47] <humphreybc> like the three stooges haha
[09:47] <popey> :D
[09:47] <dutchie> http://thealans.com
[09:47] <humphreybc> oh for the love of
[09:47] <ubuntujenkins> we discussed it and couldn't decide what to make them look like, I also commented that the website looks realy clean and it would clutter it. We could have a more info page with them on (  humphreybc )
[09:48] <humphreybc> hmm. I want the social buttons to be available across all pages
[09:48] <humphreybc> Alan and open source go hand in hand, obviously
[09:48] <ubuntujenkins> thorwill pointed out that with out writing facebook wiki irc on icons it would be hard for people to work out what they were
[09:49] <humphreybc> we're not going to have a link to irc or the wiki
[09:49] <humphreybc> just facebook, twitter, the planet and ubuntu.com
[09:49] <humphreybc> facebook and twitter are fairly obvious
[09:49] <humphreybc> you're right
[09:49] <ubuntujenkins> that was in the list mentioned yesterday by daker
[09:50] <humphreybc> but i don't want to clutter it even more with words
[09:50] <humphreybc> yeah i changed my mind :P
[09:50] <ubuntujenkins> the list here http://ubuntu-manual.org/ is fine really
[09:50] <humphreybc> yeah but that page is disappearing soon
[09:50] <ubuntujenkins> move it to get involved?
[09:50] <humphreybc> maybe but i kinda want even regular people to know about our social feeds
[09:51] <humphreybc> cos then they can see updates when we release new products and languages
[09:51] <ubuntujenkins> true, we will find a home for it
[09:51] <humphreybc> heh
[09:51] <humphreybc> we shall
[09:52] <humphreybc> what do I want from the USA?
[09:52] <ubuntujenkins> have we got/ can we do an ubuntu-manual release mailing list? people could sign up to it and we only send an e-mail wehn a release is doen?
[09:52] <humphreybc> that's a grand idea
[09:53] <humphreybc> we could just do a thing where they punch in their email address and choose a language, then they only get emailed when their language is released
[09:53] <humphreybc> and for new product releases we could email all languages
[09:53] <humphreybc> but a release ML could work equally as well
[09:54] <ubuntujenkins> yep, anyu of those would work, I like the language selection as that way we reduce the trash people don't want
[10:03] <humphreybc> yup
[10:03] <humphreybc> hey does anyone know if Qantas international flights have powerpoints in economy class?
[10:04] <ubuntujenkins> and it makes all the difference?
[10:04] <nisshh> humphreybc: no idea but i know domestic flights dont
[10:04] <humphreybc> yeah, i could actually do some work on the plane then
[10:05] <nisshh> hey, anyone here use a netbook with ubuntu on it?
[10:05] <ubuntujenkins> with all the noise from the screeming babies
[10:05] <nisshh> im looking at buying one
[10:05] <humphreybc> http://danwarne.com/qantas-a380-flying-economy/
[10:05] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: lol
[10:06] <humphreybc> I'm on the A380 on the way over
[10:06] <humphreybc> looks like i'll have to pickup an aussie power adapter
[10:07] <humphreybc> hey, great
[10:07] <humphreybc> they have internet
[10:07] <humphreybc> i'll be able to talk to you guys while i'm on the plane haha
[10:08] <nisshh> humphreybc: do you want me to show you how to use an aussie power point?
[10:08] <humphreybc> sure
[10:08] <nisshh> lol
[10:09] <ubuntujenkins> that plane looks cool
[10:09] <humphreybc> drive to the airport at sydney and drop me off an adapter if you can
[10:09] <nisshh> they are less complicated than american powerpoints
[10:09] <dutchie> I think nisshh may be suggesting the use of a hamme
[10:09] <dutchie> r
[10:09] <dutchie> stupid broken r key
[10:09] <nisshh> humphreybc: no way, thats 3000km's
[10:09] <humphreybc> and?
[10:09] <humphreybc> haha
[10:09] <nisshh> meh
[10:10] <nisshh> dutchie: rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr :)
[10:10]  * dutchie copies one for future use
[10:10] <ubuntujenkins> quickshot meeting tonight anyone who isn't going to make it got any suggestions?
[10:10] <nisshh> dutchie: lol
[10:10] <humphreybc> win, looks like they're retro-fitted some 747's too with internet and power
[10:11] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: what time is the meeting?
[10:11] <ubuntujenkins> 8.00utc
[10:11] <ubuntujenkins> pm
[10:11] <humphreybc> I might be able to do lots of work on my 64 hours I spend in a plane...
[10:11] <humphreybc> that's almost 3 straight days of flying
[10:11] <humphreybc> (this is including the return trip)
[10:11] <dutchie> where in god's name are you flying to/from?
[10:11] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: hmmmm, nah thats a bit late for me
[10:12] <nisshh> UDS?
[10:12] <nisshh> im guessing
[10:12] <ubuntujenkins> thats, cool nisshh
[10:12] <humphreybc> Christchurch - Sydney - Singapore - London - Brussels - London - Bangkok - Sydney - Christchurch
[10:13] <nisshh> humphreybc: ooooooohhhh, cool trip!
[10:13] <humphreybc> i might watch a movie now
[10:14]  * humphreybc doesn't have uni tomorrow
[10:14] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: do you need me at the QS meeting?
[10:15] <ubuntujenkins> if you want to come you are welcome humphreybc, don't think it matters either way we are basically going over http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/f0VIdaLXWZ and checking we are happy with it. any other suggestions?
[10:15] <humphreybc> I think you've got it pretty well covered :P
[10:15] <humphreybc> top priority (after bug fixing) should be support for configuration so other projects can use the program
[10:15] <ubuntujenkins> the list isn't too long :P
[10:16] <ubuntujenkins> thats what we were planing
[10:16] <humphreybc> fantastic
[10:16] <humphreybc> apart from that, you guys seem to know what you're doing!
[10:16] <ubuntujenkins> are their any projects that want to use it ?
[10:16] <humphreybc> not currently, but later this year the Learning project will
[10:16] <humphreybc> and the docs team might be interested too
[10:16] <ubuntujenkins> learning project?
[10:16] <humphreybc> not sure about projects outside of Canonical
[10:17] <humphreybc> yeah, the learning guys, Martin Owens, Liz Krumbach etc... they're making classroom materials for Ubuntu, among other things
[10:17] <humphreybc> they're going to be using a lot of our content from Getting Started with Ubuntu 10.04
[10:18] <ubuntujenkins> I think i have heard of that at some point.
[10:18] <humphreybc> how exactly that will work is going to be sorted out at UDS
[10:18] <ubuntujenkins> what uds sessions effect this project?
[10:18] <humphreybc> anyway, movie time!
[10:18] <humphreybc> quickshot or ump?
[10:18] <ubuntujenkins> both
[10:19] <humphreybc> just the ones I have registered, and one that Liz is registering soon I think
[10:19] <humphreybc> unfortunately not many docs team folk are going to UDS
[10:19] <ubuntujenkins> I may try and watch remotley when i can
[10:20] <humphreybc> sure, i'll let the team know when any sessions regarding UMP are coming up
[10:20] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[10:20] <humphreybc> right, ping me on Google Talk if anyone needs me
[10:20] <humphreybc> chow
[11:03] <c7p> hello
[11:03] <ubuntujenkins> hello c7p
[11:04] <c7p> the "\notecallout{The If you are not very familiar with advanced computing in Ubuntu you may wish to stick with the \application{Software Center}." is right as sentence/string or not ?
[11:05] <ubuntujenkins> I think the first "The" should be removed
[11:06] <c7p> so do I, should I report it as bug?
[11:06] <ubuntujenkins> please do, send my the bug number and i can confirm it.
[11:06] <c7p> ok
[11:09] <c7p> here you are
[11:09] <c7p> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/565843
[11:09] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 565843 in ubuntu-manual "string 1309 misprint" [Undecided,New]
[11:11] <ubuntujenkins> thanks c7p
[11:11] <c7p> np
[11:31] <c7p> g2g, see you
[12:01] <ubuntujenkins> hola daker
[12:01] <daker> hi ubuntujenkins
[12:02] <daker> humphreybc, ping
[12:17] <nisshh> daker: humphreybc is watching a movie, he said to ping him on google talk if you needed him
[12:17] <daker> oki
[12:18] <nisshh> brb
[12:22] <humphreybc> hey daker, what's up?
[12:22] <daker> the right side would be great
[12:22] <daker> so i need the icons
[12:23] <humphreybc> okay
[12:24] <humphreybc> you might be able to make a nicer Planet Ubuntu Manual icon
[12:25] <nisshh> humphreybc: is there anything important i should know about what was discussed at the meeting last night
[12:26] <humphreybc> not particularly
[12:26] <nisshh> so i presume the second edition is still happening?
[12:34] <humphreybc> daker: emailing them to you now
[12:34] <humphreybc> nisshh: ya
[12:35] <humphreybc> sent
[12:35] <nisshh> anyone seen clash of the titans yet?
[12:36] <daker> oki
[12:36] <nisshh> IMDB have it a 6.2
[12:36] <humphreybc> daker: feel free to try and make a nicer Planet Ubuntu Manual icon, my one is a bit crap
[12:36] <humphreybc> nisshh: looks like crap, tbh
[12:36] <humphreybc> oh wait
[12:36] <humphreybc> is that the one about South Africa?
[12:36] <nisshh> humphreybc: saw your awesome vids on your youtube channel! :)
[12:36] <humphreybc> (there's one coming out that's all Troy/300 like)
[12:36] <dutchie> no, that's invictus
[12:36] <dutchie> clash of the titans is the greeky one
[12:37] <humphreybc> oh ok
[12:37] <humphreybc> so yeah, that one looks shit :)
[12:37] <nisshh> apparently its all spec effects
[12:37] <humphreybc> nisshh: http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/about
[12:37] <nisshh> like TF2
[12:37] <humphreybc> it'll get to the stage where they'll just render the entire movie and not even need actors
[12:37] <dutchie> you've got those already
[12:38] <nisshh> humphreybc: i think thats called an animated movie ;)
[12:38] <humphreybc> yeah, but it'll be so good they'll just release it as a real movie (but it's actually animated)
[12:38] <humphreybc> so they'll trick you
[12:38] <dutchie> don't think they could do that
[12:39] <humphreybc> thorwi's off to do something better with his Sunday
[12:39] <nisshh> hehe
[12:39] <nisshh> anyone have a good movie suggestion?
[12:39] <nisshh> im really bored
[12:39] <humphreybc> I just watched 21, it was pretty good
[12:39] <humphreybc> capture screenshots?
[12:39] <humphreybc> while listening to music?
[12:40] <humphreybc> we still need quite a few
[12:40] <humphreybc> http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/
[12:40] <dutchie> I have far too much work to do to watch a film
[12:40] <dutchie> :(
[12:40] <humphreybc> you could clean up all the ones that are 95% +
[12:40] <dutchie> should probably have done some over the last 3 weeks
[12:41] <nisshh> humphreybc: thing is though, i have the latest lucid updates
[12:41] <nisshh> so my buttons and icons are all different
[12:42] <humphreybc> latest lucid updates are good
[12:42] <nisshh> ok, i might grab some screenshots then
[12:42] <nisshh> wow, we still need alot though dont we
[12:43] <humphreybc> yeah, target the languages that are almost finished
[12:43] <ubuntujenkins> yep, I am on top of the approving though, I do them as they come in now.
[12:43] <humphreybc> like, with one or two missing
[12:43]  * humphreybc might do some screenshots tomorrow
[12:43] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: you will need to install language packs, if you want i have a script to install all the ones we need
[12:44] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: how big are the language packs?
[12:45] <nisshh> itll porb take all night to download them on my connection
[12:45] <humphreybc> they're not that big
[12:45] <humphreybc> you could grab the QS live DVD
[12:45] <humphreybc> might be easier
[12:46] <nisshh> how big is the livedvd?
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> not sure to be honest, the spanish one is big, the live dvd is 720mb
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> ish
[12:46] <dutchie> couldn't you take those 20 meg off and get it down to a CD?
[12:46]  * nisshh groans
[12:46] <daker> nisshh, a good movie : Into the Wild
[12:46] <nisshh> itll take nearly 2 hours to download the live dvd
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> but you would be downloading stuff you don't need by getting the cd. just install the laguages you want to do screenshots ofr
[12:46] <humphreybc> Where the wild things are nisshh?
[12:46] <nisshh> daker: cheers im looking it up now
[12:47] <humphreybc> nisshh: how are you planning on watching the movie?
[12:47] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: we can't everything possible is missing from the cd, the langauge packs keep getting bigger
[12:47] <nisshh> humphreybc: torrent
[12:47] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: :(
[12:47] <humphreybc> nisshh: lol
[12:47] <humphreybc> well won't that take a while?
[12:48] <nisshh> yea, same amount of time as the livedvd
[12:48] <humphreybc> hahaha
[12:48] <nisshh> but thats not the point
[12:48] <humphreybc> watch some TV or play cards
[12:48] <nisshh> meh nothing good on tv atm
[12:48] <nisshh> and im home alone :)
[12:48] <nisshh> poor me
[12:49] <humphreybc> what time is it?
[12:49] <ubuntujenkins> 11.49 utc
[12:50] <humphreybc> do'h, i mean local time :P
[12:50] <ubuntujenkins> 12.49 gmt
[12:50] <dutchie> bst actually
[12:50] <humphreybc> gmt = utc, right?
[12:50] <ubuntujenkins> whats the differnce between gmt and bst dutchie ?
[12:50] <dutchie> to within a few tenths of a second
[12:50] <dutchie> bst is british summer time
[12:51] <ubuntujenkins> i see
[12:51] <dutchie> "strictly UTC is an atomic time scale which only approximates GMT with a tolerance of 0.9 second."
[12:53] <nisshh> dutchie you smartass :)
[12:53] <dutchie> :)
[12:56] <nisshh> into the wild looks kickass
[12:56] <daker> :)
[12:56] <daker> a very good movie
[12:56] <nisshh> i watched fantastic mr fox the other day
[12:57] <nisshh> was good too
[12:57] <nisshh> humphreybc: i could start off by doing the au and en screenshots
[12:57] <nisshh> wont have to download much for those
[13:03] <nisshh> downloading into the wild now
[13:03] <nisshh> 1:50 to go
[13:08] <humphreybc> nisshh: sounds good, go for it
[13:09] <nisshh> humphreybc: cool, just installed quickshot now
[13:10] <nisshh> humphreybc: oh yea, my desktop doesnt look like the default
[13:10] <nisshh> i have docky and different panels
[13:11] <nisshh> humphreybc: nvm i think itll be ok
[13:12] <nisshh> gotta logout taking some screenies
[13:16] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: i need some more language packs for quickshot, you said you had a script?
[13:16] <ubuntujenkins> yes let me paste bin it
[13:16] <nisshh> right
[13:17] <nisshh> i inly want certian ones though
[13:17] <nisshh> omg my spelling is crap right now
[13:18] <nisshh> humphreybc: so i was right about that contributors video! hehe
[13:19] <ubuntujenkins> well just do apt-get install language-pack-gnome-<shortlanguagecode>
[13:19] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: ok thanks
[13:20] <ubuntujenkins> short codes are here http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/
[13:27] <nisshh> doing el and en
[13:29] <nisshh> ok trying again
[13:29] <nisshh> brb
[13:37] <nisshh> ok, i dont actually know how to change language in ubuntu...
[13:38] <nisshh> silly question i know
[13:38] <dutchie> system -> admin -> language support
[13:38] <nisshh> dutchie: yea i got that far
[13:39] <nisshh> now what?
[13:39] <dutchie> doesn't quickshot do all that anyway?
[13:40] <nisshh> nope
[13:40] <dutchie> but it looks like you drag your preferred one up to the top
[13:40] <nisshh> hmmmm
[13:40] <dutchie> then maybe log out and in again
[13:41] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: can you walk me through taking a screenshot with quickshot in another language?
[13:41] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh log out, click the quickshot user in the bottom left you can choose the language
[13:41] <nisshh> ah got it
[13:42] <nisshh> then quickshot should automatically use that language?
[13:42] <ubuntujenkins> the program will be in english, but the rest of the desktop will be in that language and all othe programs
[13:42] <nisshh> ah ok well thats good, i only know english
[13:43] <nisshh> ok, third times the charm!
[13:56] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: took a screenie and uploaded it then had to hard reset because of a bug in quickshot
[13:56] <ubuntujenkins> whats the bug?
[13:57] <nisshh> as soon as i acidentally locked the screen and went to re enter my password my computer did a MASSIVE shit and i was forced into doing a hard reset
[13:58] <ubuntujenkins> right, not sure how quickshot could have a caused that
[13:58] <nisshh> but apart from that quickshot is awesome
[13:59] <nisshh> i figured it must have been quickshot since my comp has never done that before
[13:59] <ubuntujenkins> I would be interested if you can create the bug again. what graphics are you using? there are afew x bugs around in lucid still
[13:59] <nisshh> intel inbuilt graphics
[14:00] <nisshh> and i just locked and unlocked my screen just then with no difficulty
[14:00] <ubuntujenkins> hmm, what did you see when your computer went mad?
[14:00] <ubuntujenkins> brb
[14:00] <nisshh> well i seemed to hang between locking and unlocking
[14:00] <nisshh> it sorry
[14:01] <nisshh> then when i restarted my comp it hung at boot and the quickshot dialog flickered on and off the screen indefinitely and thats when i did the hard reset
[14:04] <nisshh> was really strange
[14:06] <ubuntujenkins> inerstingly my latop went to sleep when i unlocked it but i can't think how quickshot could have acaused
[14:06] <ubuntujenkins>  it
[14:07] <nisshh> neither can i
[14:07] <nisshh> anyway have you seen the screenshot i uploaded?
[14:08] <ubuntujenkins> yep looks good to me
[14:08] <nisshh> cool
[14:28] <daker> humphreybc, !!!
[14:28] <daker> ubuntujenkins, give a look http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/
[14:47] <ubuntujenkins> daker: the new icons don't look to bad
[15:32] <thorwil> humphreybc: so it will be just the 3 links, facebook, twitter and um-planet on the side?
[15:36] <thorwil> daker: ^
[15:36] <daker> probably
[15:37] <daker> we can add more if you want
[15:37] <thorwil> daker: the facebook and twitter buttons are official versions?
[15:37] <daker> ask humphreybc
[15:38] <thorwil> daker: i still wouldn't know how to create good icons for anything else, but i happen to have an idea for Planet worth trying
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> daker: the buttons look a bit out on their own on a large screen http://imagebin.org/93508
[15:40] <daker> haha
[15:41] <thorwil> they should stay close to the right edge of the "page"
[15:43] <nisshh> hey, can someone help me with gwibber?
[15:44] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: fire away and i tiwll try
[15:44] <ubuntujenkins> *will
[15:44] <nisshh> i cant seem to post stuff to identi.ca
[15:45] <nisshh> iv registered on the site
[15:45] <nisshh> and added my account to gwibber
[15:45] <nisshh> and recieved a message from the welcome bot
[15:45] <nisshh> so a ssume everything is working ok
[15:45] <nisshh> assume*
[15:46] <dutchie> is it set up to be sending?
[15:46] <nisshh> yes
[15:46] <dutchie> any useful output on the terminal?
[15:46] <nisshh> on the terminal??
[15:46] <nisshh> im running it from the menu
[15:47] <dutchie> run gwibber in a terminal to see the output
[15:47] <ubuntujenkins> sorry i don't use identica, try running from the termial an see what it says
[15:47] <nisshh> ok hang on
[15:48] <nisshh> nope nothing useful from the terminal
[15:48] <dutchie> hrm
[15:49] <nisshh> does anyone else here use gwibber with identica?
[15:54] <humphreybc> daker: the icons move when you resize the window
[15:55] <humphreybc> they should be fixed position relative to the border of the content box
[15:55] <daker> i see :)
[15:55] <humphreybc> rather than relative to the window frame :)
[15:55] <humphreybc> other than that, looking good!
[15:55]  * humphreybc is off to bed now after watching 4 episodes of Firefly, good show
[15:55] <nisshh> i think i found the problem
[15:56] <humphreybc> night all
[15:56] <nisshh> i havent vaidated my email yet lol
[15:56] <nisshh> night humphreybc
[16:32] <daker> ubuntujenkins, !!
[16:32] <daker> try now
[16:34] <ubuntujenkins> thats better daker but if the window is smaller than the width of the white section you don't see them
[16:34] <ubuntujenkins> not sure you did before
[16:35] <daker> i can't change resolution in karmic (the hight's one is 1024x768 )
[16:36] <ubuntujenkins> http://imagebin.org/93515 the window is the width of the white bit but there is no sideways scroll bar so i don't see the buttons
[16:37] <thorwil> daker: which of the images in team-images/banner is in use?
[16:38] <daker> i don't have the main branch right now
[16:38] <daker> i am working on lp:ubuntu-manual-website
[16:39] <daker> so i can't give an answer
[16:39] <daker> ubuntujenkins, which resolution are you using
[16:39] <daker> ?
[16:39] <thorwil> daker: i need to replace all occurrences of the logo, as one of the stripes has the wrong color
[16:40] <daker> just do it and i'll update the one in the website
[16:40] <ubuntujenkins> i wasn't using a particular resolution i was just playing with the window width, not sure it matters too much
[16:43] <thorwil> daker: i removed the banner folder, as those were basically duplicates. the good stuff is in team-images/logos now (rev 796)
[16:43] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/796 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 796
[16:46] <daker> oki
[16:46]  * thorwil still can't believe he managed to overlook such a glaring mistake
[16:47] <daker> .g ubuntu-manual
[16:47] <DAker-BOTO> daker: http://ubuntuguide.org/
[16:47] <daker> fu***
[16:48] <daker> DAker-BOTO: "shut up"?
[16:48] <DAker-BOTO> daker: Language guessing failed, so try suggesting one!
[16:49] <daker> .wik RMS
[16:49] <DAker-BOTO> "Rate-monotonic scheduling, a scheduling technique in operating systems" - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RMS
[16:49] <daker> Fu**** Bot
[16:51] <daker> .t [gmt]
[16:51] <DAker-BOTO> daker: Sorry, I don't know about the '[gmt]' timezone.
[16:51] <daker> .t [+1]
[16:51] <DAker-BOTO> daker: Sorry, I don't know about the '[+1]' timezone.
[16:54] <daker> .part #ubuntu-manual
[16:55] <ubuntujenkins> daker: what is the Daker--BOTO?
[16:55] <daker> my Bot
[16:55] <daker> a python bot
[16:55] <ubuntujenkins> what do you have a personal bot for?
[16:56] <daker> just i want to try this http://inamidst.com/phenny/
[16:57] <ubuntujenkins> interesting fair enough
[16:58] <daker> .tock
[16:58] <DAker-BOTO> "Sun, 18 Apr 2010 15:58:57 GMT" - tycho.usno.navy.mil
[16:59] <daker> .val http://test.ubuntu-manual.org
[16:59] <DAker-BOTO> daker: http://test.ubuntu-manual.org is Invalid (63 errors)
[16:59] <dutchie> that makes 5 bots in here :)
[17:00] <daker> 5 o.O
[17:00] <thorwil> dutchie: that's what you think ;)
[17:00] <dutchie> heh
[17:00] <daker> i see just 3 + DAker-BOTO
[17:01] <dutchie> DAker-BOTO, manualbot, MootBot, ubuntujenkins
[17:01] <dutchie> err, ubuntulog
[17:01] <daker> hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
[17:01]  * dutchie can't count
[17:01] <ubuntujenkins> know command
[17:01] <ubuntujenkins> *unknown
[17:02]  * ubuntujenkins failed
[17:02] <daker> .tell ubuntujenkins you are a BOT
[17:02] <daker> tell ubuntujenkins you are a BOT
[17:02] <daker> :p
[17:03] <daker> DAker-BOTO,  doesn't want to obey
[17:07] <daker> .dict cool
[17:07] <DAker-BOTO> cool -  1. fairly cold, 2. staying calm
[17:10] <daker> pls someone should update the website's pot file pls
[17:10] <daker> i don't have the main branch
[17:12] <daker> the new file is located in lp:ubuntu-manual-website/ => main/includes/languages/ubu_man_website_translations.pot
[17:12] <daker> and update the old one in ubuntu manual branch
[17:13] <daker> website/daker-test/includes/languages/ubu_man_website_translations.pot
[17:15] <thorwil> daker: what do you think of http://www.foopics.com/showfull/7e18bbf2309b4420744137273c901001 ?
[17:17] <daker> icon of UM planet ?
[17:17] <thorwil> yes
[17:17] <daker> great
[17:17] <thorwil> cool :)
[17:20] <daker> thorwil, the icons are 32x32
[17:20] <thorwil> daker: this one is too, i just added background for context
[17:20] <daker> oki
[17:22] <thorwil> daker: should i add it to the main branch somewhere?
[17:22] <daker> mail it to me
[17:22] <daker> adnane@ubuntu-manual.org
[17:22] <thorwil> ok
[17:25] <thorwil> done
[17:25] <daker> great
[17:37] <daker> dutchie, manualbot is your Bot ?
[17:40] <dutchie> yes
[17:40] <ubuntujenkins> hello manualbot
[17:40] <ubuntujenkins> does manualbot work?
[17:40] <ubuntujenkins> !hello
[17:40] <manualbot> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay!
[17:40] <ubuntujenkins> !hello | manualbot
[17:40] <manualbot> manualbot: please see above
[17:41] <ubuntujenkins> !commands | manualbot
[17:41] <manualbot> manualbot: The linux terminal or command-line interface is very powerful. Open a terminal via Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal (Gnome) or K-menu -> System -> Konsole (KDE).  Guide: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UsingTheTerminal
[17:41] <ubuntujenkins> !lucid
[17:41] <manualbot> Lucid Lynx is the codename for Ubuntu 10.04, due April 2010 - Lucid is NOT released and is NOT stable - Discussion and support in #ubuntu+1
[17:41] <ubuntujenkins> @ manualbot
[17:41] <manualbot> ubuntujenkins: Error: "manualbot" is not a valid command.
[17:41] <ubuntujenkins> yey it moaned :-)
[17:42] <ubuntujenkins> !quickshot
[17:42] <manualbot> Factoid 'quickshot' not found
[17:42] <ubuntujenkins> !manual
[17:42] <manualbot> Factoid 'manual' not found
[17:42] <daker> hhhhhhhhhh
[17:42] <ubuntujenkins> !spam
[17:42] <manualbot> Factoid 'spam' not found
[17:43] <daker> !fu***
[17:43] <manualbot> Factoid 'fu***' not found
[17:43] <daker> hhhhhhhh stupid bot
[17:43]  * ubuntujenkins to day is anoy the bot day :-)
[17:44] <daker> if you could add a support to ubuntu-manual-website too
[17:54] <daker> good news
[17:55] <daker> our pageranks is 4
[17:55] <daker> http://www.pagerank.fr/rapport-indexation.fr.html?uri=ubuntu-manual.org/
[17:55] <daker> in less than 3 weeks i think
[18:55] <daker> hey ubuntujenkins
[18:55] <daker> do you know that game Machinarium.net ?
[20:08] <daker> godbyk, !!!!
[20:08] <godbyk> Hey, daker. What's up?
[20:08] <godbyk> I'm just reading the logs here.
 the new file is located in lp:ubuntu-manual-website/ => main/includes/languages/ubu_man_website_translations.pot
 and update the old one in ubuntu manual branch
 website/daker-test/includes/languages/ubu_man_website_translations.pot
[20:09] <godbyk> Right.
[20:10] <godbyk> What'd I'd prefer to do is keep the pot in the website branch, if possible. (So we're not having to copy files back and forth all the time.) And then we can ditch the website stuff in the manual branch soon.
[20:12] <dutchie> +1
[20:14] <daker> the problem is if i keep the pot in the website branch, we have to retranslate all the strings
[20:14] <dutchie> not if you move the po files over too
[20:15] <dutchie> you can tell launchpad to reimport them
[20:15] <daker> dutchie, how ?
[20:16] <dutchie> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/trunk/+translations-settings # switch it to "Import template and translation files"
[20:18] <godbyk> daker: What'd I'd prefer to do is keep the pot in the website branch, if possible. (So we're not having to copy files back and forth all the time.) And then we can ditch the website stuff in the manual branch soon.
[20:18] <godbyk> (frakking internet connection!)
[20:19] <daker> i am trying right now dutchie
[20:19] <daker> godbyk, oki
[20:19] <godbyk> What'd I miss while I was offline? :)
[20:20] <dutchie> 20:14:20 < daker> the problem is if i keep the pot in the website branch, we have to retranslate all the strings
[20:20] <dutchie> 20:14:59 < dutchie> not if you move the po files over too
[20:20] <dutchie> 20:15:06 < dutchie> you can tell launchpad to reimport them
[20:20] <dutchie> 20:15:28 < daker> dutchie, how ?
[20:20] <dutchie> 20:16:45 < dutchie> https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website/trunk/+translations-settings # switch it to  "Import template and translation files"
[20:23] <godbyk> also, launchpad will pull the existing translations over automatically
[20:23] <godbyk> it shares strings across projects
[20:27] <daker> the process will takes a few minutes ?
[20:27] <daker> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website
[20:37] <godbyk> daker: I set the permissions, translator group, and focused branch for you.
[20:37] <godbyk> daker: You may also want to email the ubuntu-manual mailing list to let the translators know that they should pop into https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual-website to translate the website stuff.
[20:38] <godbyk> If they've translated the same string before, it should appear as a suggestion automatically.
[20:38] <daker> yes i'll do
[20:38] <daker> that's all ?
[20:42] <godbyk> daker: I think so, but dutchie's the translation expert. :)
[20:43] <dutchie> yeah, that's all
[20:43] <daker> oki
[20:52] <godbyk> [FML]
[20:53] <dutchie> heh
[20:55] <godbyk> I never realized how much time I spend on the Internet until it goes down. :)
[20:55] <godbyk> on the plus side, I've been making a huge dent in my 'to read' pile of books.
[20:56] <ubuntujenkins> back at the computer just in time for the meeting,
[20:56] <ubuntujenkins> daker: I have not heard of that game
[20:58] <ubuntujenkins> Quickshot meeting in #ubuntu-meeting in two minutes
[20:58] <daker> you should
[20:58] <daker> brb
[21:47] <komsas> Hello, I'm thinking that it would be nice if tranlators teams have space to write contacts and other related stuff with theirnational team http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/translators. What do you think about this idea? It can be like string in web transaltions.
[21:48] <godbyk> komsas: Can you give me an example?  (We're definitely looking for ways to improve the translation process!)
[21:50] <komsas> mm.. there can be links, like our wiki page (https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/lithuanian), contacts (Irc, email), team coordinator contacts and so on.
[21:51] <godbyk> komsas: Oh, I see.  So have a bit of info for each person/team that's helping to translate the manual?
[21:55] <komsas> godbyk: yee, some info about translators team and how to contact with them, because if you want to translate and you are new in translations (like Ubuntu), before translating you must find more info, like useful dictionaries, latex tags, and other rules.
[21:56] <godbyk> komsas: I agree.  I'll see what we can come up with.
[21:57] <godbyk> komsas: Would you jot down this idea on the pad here? http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMPtranslations
[21:57] <godbyk> We're making a list. :)
[21:57] <komsas> godbyk: I can try :)
[21:57] <godbyk> thanks!
[21:57] <komsas> no problem
[21:57] <godbyk> feel free to note anything else we should look into.
[21:58] <godbyk> right now the translation stuff is harder than I want it to be. :)
[22:02] <komsas> godbyk: yee, our team now in deep deep depression, we can't be in time, but in other 1-2 month we will finish it.
[22:03] <godbyk> komsas: I understand.  Have you see the schedule for the next release?  We tried to allocate more time for the translators.
[22:03] <komsas> godbyk: no, I didn't see it.
[22:05] <godbyk> Let me find it for you.
[22:05] <komsas> yee, in this release we had to little time, when our team little compared with spain, germany and so on.
[22:06] <godbyk> komsas: http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/MaiZTb4Fjd
[22:07] <dutchie> komsas: don't worry, you can carry on translating and the lt version will just come out a bit later
[22:07] <godbyk> komsas: So the translators should have a full two months to work on translating the Maverick edition.
[22:07] <komsas> nice
[22:07] <godbyk> Right. We'll be releasing the translated versions as they're finished.
[22:16] <komsas> godbyk: I did note in the pad. I'm going take bed, bye
[22:16] <godbyk> Okay, thanks. G'night, komsas.
[22:59] <ubuntujenkins> i am off night all o/