[00:57] <h00k> oho, rww is correct
[00:57] <Flannel> Blah
[00:57] <Flannel> and I just made a mistake
[00:57] <Flannel> compounded with another mistake!
[00:58] <Flannel> !No, Truecrypt
[00:58] <Flannel> yay capitalization errors ;)
[00:59] <Flannel> !forget No, truecrypt
[00:59] <Flannel> blah
[00:59] <Flannel> there we go.
[00:59] <Flannel> !no, truecrypt
[00:59] <Flannel> !truecrypt
[02:02] <funkyHat> Am A Ranth!
[02:16] <Seeker`> who is mentoring the new ops?
[02:16] <IdleOne> He who smelt it :P
[02:17] <Seeker`> ...
[02:17] <IdleOne> Seeker`: not sure but I think we are supposed to be contacted sometime soon
[02:26] <tsimpson> IdleOne: has no one contacted you yet?
[02:26] <IdleOne> not that I have seen
[02:26] <IdleOne> not in email or via irc
[02:27] <IdleOne> I'm sort of used to being thrown into the pool and learning to swim
[02:28] <IdleOne> so no worries, also I am not shy to ask a question if I don't know the answer
[02:28] <tsimpson> I'll have to poke someone about that
[02:28] <tsimpson> a mentor may not be necessary, but it's nice to have :)
[02:29] <IdleOne> The way I see it you are all mentors
[02:29] <IdleOne> I am sure if I ask any of you something you will all be glad to answer
[02:29] <IdleOne> tsimpson: who was your mentor?
[02:30] <tsimpson> txwikinger
[02:30] <tsimpson> sorry for the highlight ;)
[02:30] <IdleOne> So new ops having mentors is not a new thing?
[02:31] <tsimpson> it is new, you lot are the first
[02:31] <Pici> IdleOne: he means thats the person that he is mentoring.  We never had mentors.
[02:31] <tsimpson> oh, who >was<
[02:31]  * tsimpson should not read at 2:30am
[02:32] <Seeker`> nope, typing without reading is much better...
[02:32] <IdleOne> Pici: :) you turned out ok
[02:32] <tsimpson> Seeker`: as long as I have spell check enabled
[02:33] <Seeker`> I remember when I became an op
[02:33] <Seeker`> was very different back then
[02:34] <IdleOne> I do think that it would be nice for the new ops (myself included) if there was a wiki page with useful resources. all the links we need, a bad word highlight list (this could be difficult to put on a wiki) and probably other info
[02:35] <IdleOne> either that or a ubuntu-op script for irssi and xchat
[02:35] <tsimpson> an operator guide is in the process of being created
[02:35] <tsimpson> scripts are good, but make sure you know how to do things manually too
[02:35] <IdleOne> actually the ubuntu-op script would be good either way
[02:36] <Pici> I have a set of irssi aliases that I use myself. I wasn't a fan of auto_bleh.pl
[02:37] <IdleOne> Pici: I use chanserv.py but I was thinking more like the old days with the Oper scripts on Mirc but not as lame
[02:37] <Flannel> IdleOne: There isn't a "bad word hilight list"
[02:38] <tsimpson> well most ops who use xchat use chansrv.py
[02:38] <IdleOne> Flannel: yeah but a list that clearly defines what can't be said might be useful in times of arbitration
[02:38] <Flannel> I've got auto_bleh if you use irssi
[02:38] <Flannel> IdleOne: That doesn't exist, use your judgement
[02:39] <IdleOne> Flannel: I do. but I saw earlier in -offtopic discussion about effin being or not being a curse
[02:39] <tsimpson> that's why ops are human (most are anyway)
[02:39]  * IdleOne is hooman
[02:40] <Flannel> IdleOne: If someone's swearing for the sake of swearing, its generally a good idea to mention it
[02:41] <IdleOne> then again maybe defining every little thing is not a good idea
[02:41] <tsimpson> yep, having a list only makes it possible for people to say "but, it's not on your list of bad words"
[02:41] <IdleOne> Flannel: I normally do
[02:41] <IdleOne> tsimpson: agreed
[02:42] <Pici> I have some common stuff on my hilight list, but thats for my own purposes.
[02:43] <IdleOne> I need my glasses
[02:43] <Pici> Anyway, this is what I use for aliases for irssi: http://nullcortex.com/upload/config.txt
[02:45] <IdleOne> I use xchat but still will save it in case I switch
[02:46] <Pici> It may be relevant if there are aliases in xchat.  I personally haven't used it in years
[02:47] <IdleOne> tried using irssi for a little while but I couldn't get used to it
[02:49] <IdleOne> maybe I'll install irssi again and give it another shot
[02:50] <Pici> I have it running on my VPS
[02:52] <IdleOne> Virtual Pici System
[02:52] <Pici> if onyl...
[02:53] <Pici> only... maybe my virtualized self would spell better.
[03:01] <txwikinger> tsimpson: You are living in the wrong timezone ;)
[03:01] <tsimpson> txwikinger: I know, but I'm also an insomniac :)
[03:02] <txwikinger> Yeah.. I start to see that
[03:02] <txwikinger> I was no different while I was in Bham
[03:05]  * Seeker` is mostly nocturnal
[03:06] <Seeker`> and I work a 9-5 job too
[03:45] <IdleOne> look out for GaryNiger (~gnaa@206.51.110.94) racist spam in #freenode
[03:47] <Flannel> might be pertinent to ban gnaa* I can't imagine a legit user accidentally choosing that
[03:50] <IdleOne> Flannel: *!*gnaa@* right?
[03:51] <Flannel> that'd be it, yeah.
[03:51] <IdleOne> ok done
[03:54]  * Seeker` reads the discussion about pre-emptive bans that occured earlier
[03:54] <IdleOne> what was the decission?
[03:56] <IdleOne> against policy
[03:56] <Seeker`> basically, it seems that it is against council policy
[03:56] <IdleOne> will remove if you say so
[03:56] <IdleOne> can a temporary pre-emptive ban be ok?
[03:57] <Seeker`> well, all I'm saying is that its apparently against council policy. Up to you what you do with that information.
[03:57] <IdleOne> like for 1 hour when we know there is a spamming session happening?
[03:57] <Seeker`> the ban lists are pretty full in #ubuntu and #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:57] <Seeker`> we have to clean them regularly
[03:57] <Seeker`> if we pre-emptively banned against every troll we saw in every channel we were in...
[03:58] <IdleOne> removed
[03:59] <Flannel> Seeker`: That's preemptive banning of individuals, not blanket trouble things
[03:59] <Flannel> er, IdleOne, or whoever I'm responding to :)
[03:59] <Flannel> We've got other bans that are similar to that, *!*[expletive]@* and things like that
[04:00] <IdleOne> Flannel: well it was one person and he quit right after he posted his message
[04:00] <IdleOne> anyway gnaa is on my watch list now
[04:00] <Flannel> IdleOne: Yeah, we should check to see if other gnaa people match that as well.
[04:00] <Seeker`> yes, but is *gnaa* always trouble?
[04:00] <IdleOne> Seeker`: good question
[04:01] <Seeker`> if gnaa is "here be trolls" in some foreign language, then fine
[04:01] <Seeker`> but I doubt it is
[04:01] <Flannel> Uh.
[04:01] <Flannel> Are you not familiar with the GNAA?
[04:02] <Seeker`> not personally
[04:02] <IdleOne> Flannel: I think what Seeker` means is that it is possible that someone uses gnaa and is not a troll
[04:02] <Flannel> I said earlier that I can't imagine a legit user accidentally choosing that
[04:02] <IdleOne> but someone who is not a native english speaker may
[04:02] <Flannel> Seeker`: Don your asbestos suit and look it up on the internet
[04:03] <Seeker`> I can't imagine a legit user calling themselves "IdleOne", but, y'know...
[04:03] <IdleOne> haha
[04:03] <IdleOne> never said I was legit
[04:03] <Flannel> (I strongly recommend flashblock and noScript, and maybe even turn off images)
[04:03] <funkyHat> Isn't flashblock redundant if you have noscript?
[04:03] <Flannel> funkyHat: No
[04:04] <Flannel> well, not necessarily
[04:04] <Flannel> funkyHat: When dealing with that caliber of site, redundancy probably couldn't hurt
[04:04] <funkyHat> Fair point
[04:04] <funkyHat> Not sure about "twats"...
[04:05] <Flannel> Modern NoScript does block flash by default if you configure it to.  I'm not sure what the 'standard' user configures it to though, I lock mine down
[04:05] <Seeker`> "by default if you configure it to"?
[04:05] <Flannel> er
[04:05] <funkyHat> Seeker`: I was wondering that too ;P
[04:06] <Flannel> You and your "reading" :P
[04:06] <Seeker`> :P
[04:06] <Flannel> I think in my head that meant "by default on a page" (because you can click the things and reenable them)
[04:07] <Seeker`> I get what you meant
[04:07] <Seeker`> just sounded funny
[04:08] <Flannel> Indeed it does.
[04:08]  * Seeker` giggles
[04:14] <IdleOne> umm ok I banned hiexpo how is he in #ubuntu now?
[04:14] <funkyHat> IdleOne: your ban was too specific
[04:15] <IdleOne> indeed
[04:15] <IdleOne> and again
[04:15] <funkyHat> Remove the other ban too
[04:15] <IdleOne> ok chaserv.py defaults to the wrong ban mask :(
[04:16] <Flannel> IdleOne: Usually it's fine, most people don't change their IP
[04:16] <IdleOne> hiexpo seems intent on doing his thing
[04:17] <IdleOne> he really isn't a bad guy
[04:25] <IdleOne> yeah so +b when setting a mode change is useful
[04:25] <IdleOne> :/
[04:27] <rww> Hola. |the-sandman| appears to be flooding out of #ubuntu twice a minute, might be worth banforwarding if it keeps up.
[04:28] <rww> .. and it looks like it's fixed itself right as I said that. Typical ;P
[07:20] <h00k> is /afrn forwarding to ubuntu-ops
[07:21] <h00k> ?
[07:48] <bazhang> h00k, for qpt?
[07:50] <h00k> bazhang: bah. No, it was somebody else that I removed from #ubuntu
[07:57] <ikonia> h00k: /afr
[08:03] <h00k> ikonia: ahha.
[08:03] <h00k> ikonia: thank you :)
[08:55] <mneptok> Pricey: heya!
[08:56] <Flannel> That seemed ike a netsplit
[08:56] <Flannel> Oh, that was a netsplit
[08:56] <Flannel> I meant the join beforehand
[09:00] <h00k> that was quite odd
[09:01] <Flannel> Everyone rejoined with different nicks, so server must have froze, people timed out on their clients and reconnected, then the server timed out with the other servers (causing the split)
[09:01] <elky> multisplit?
[09:01] <h00k> that makes logical sense for an explanation
[09:01] <Flannel> nah, just one server
[09:03] <elky> jussi, hey, if these single ban log pages are loading up like fifty bazillion times quicker than the full BT, is it possible to let us comment from them rather than the main?
[09:04] <elky> (basically is this an oversight or a wontfix?)
[09:04] <ikonia> what is the lag with BT - is it the machine it runs on, or is it the limitations of things like SQLlite
[09:05] <Flannel> oh, h00k, you already called him out on it
[09:05] <h00k> Flannel: Yeah, well, it was quite passive, but I think he caught it
[09:05] <h00k> s/think/hope/
[09:06] <elky> ikonia, my understanding is the latter.
[09:06] <elky> ikonia, just about all the problems with the BT ever have been because of sqlite
[09:08] <ikonia> I did a bit of work trying to port it to Mysql, and at one point postgres, I wonder if it's worth picking that up again
[09:08] <elky> i would love you forever
[09:09] <ikonia> I didn't get far with it as I hit a few big hurdles and no-one at that time had time to work on it with me, but I can look at it again
[09:23] <mneptok> ikonia: s/MySQL/MariaDB/  ;P
[09:23] <ikonia> I know nothing about MariaDB - so out of my league
[09:24] <mneptok> the only thing to know is that it's a drop-in replacement for MySQL
[09:27] <ikonia> really ?
[09:27] <mneptok> really.
[09:28] <ikonia> looks like I'll have to do some research
[09:28] <ikonia> I've never used it at a
[09:28] <ikonia> all
[09:28] <mneptok> and we have XtraDB in place of InnoDB :)
[09:28] <mneptok> IIRC, Kexi will do sqlite > mysql data conversions
[09:30] <mneptok> if not, i may be able to find someone willing to help.
[09:31] <tsimpson> elky: you can now add comments from the log
[09:32] <tsimpson> well, you should be able to unless it explodes
[09:32] <elky> awesome
[09:34] <elky> hmm.. the send button doesn't seem to even be a button
[09:35] <Flannel> elky: That's to ensure it doesn't explode
[09:35] <elky> at least, it's not doing anything when i hit it
[09:35] <elky> Flannel, clearly.
[09:58] <tsimpson> elky: try again
[09:59] <tsimpson> (missing end '"')
[10:01] <elky> yay. (search: l0de)
[10:52] <czajkowski> Aloha
[10:52] <ikonia> hola
[10:52] <czajkowski> just wondering about the logging bot, is the source code available?
[10:52] <czajkowski> ikonia: fancy seeing you here :)
[10:52] <ikonia> shock horror
[11:06] <elky> czajkowski, which logging bot?
[11:07] <elky> locobots and ubuntulog are completely different beasts.
[11:09] <czajkowski> either
[11:09] <czajkowski> both log a channels,I'm just enquring which bot if any has its source code availabe for folks to create their own version of it
[11:16] <ikonia> loco bot appears to have some logging in as ubuntu-vn uses it to log
[11:45] <gord> czajkowski, we use supybots a whole lot here, you customise them with plugins, so really all you need to do is get a supybot install running and install the logging plugin (might be built in and you just switch it on, not sure)
[11:59] <elky> czajkowski, ubuntulog is just an irssi client with irc2html scripts running on the irssi logs
[11:59] <elky> czajkowski, it's managed by Canonical sysadmins, so we really can't tell you exactly which scripts
[13:38] <bilalakhtar> People, I can't access #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:38] <bilalakhtar> it says that I am banned. why? I did nothing
[13:39] <bilalakhtar> I think h00k is the operator of irc channel #ubuntu-offtopic
[13:44] <bilalakhtar> jussi: Can you please help me? I have been banned from #ubuntu-offtopic for unknown reasons
[13:53] <bilalakhtar> No one here to help? please! I request you! I apologize in case I violated the code of conduct
[13:56] <bilalakhtar> popey: please help me with this! I have been banned from #ubuntu-offtopic for unknown reasons. I request you to unban me
[13:58] <popey> @login
[13:58] <popey> @btlogin
[14:00] <popey> hmm, ubottu.com seems broken for me, so i can't look into it, sorry bilalakhtar
[14:01] <bilalakhtar> popey: thanx for the effort. Atleast someone responded to this. But, why has ubottu banned me?
[14:01] <popey> thats the question I can't answer
[14:02] <popey> bilalakhtar: it looks like you were kick/banned by topyli for having an offensive quit message
[14:03] <bilalakhtar> popey: ok but what did I write? I don't remember I will check the history
[14:03] <popey> I don't know, I can't see that
[14:03] <popey> -offtopic isn't logged and I'm not in that channel so don't log it myself
[14:04] <popey> aha, found it
[14:04] <popey> *** bilalakhtar (bilalakhtar!~bilalakht@188.248.14.134) has left #ubuntu-offtopic ("windows f***ing sucks")
[14:05] <bilalakhtar> popey: sorry for that I promise I won't repeat it
[14:05] <popey> I'm afraid there's nothing I can do about it, I don't have ops in that channel. You'll either have to wait or come back when an op is about.
[14:06] <bilalakhtar> ok i should leave now
[14:16] <jussi> heh
[14:16] <jussi> dunny how people try ban evade...
[14:16] <jussi> funny...
[14:25] <elky> Funny how people do it right in front of us and think they'll get away with it.
[14:53] <ikonia> D/whois bilal_akhtar
[14:53] <ikonia> is he known ?
[14:55] <jussi> ikonia: a ban for a bad quit message in #u-ot, nothing serious
[14:56] <ikonia> ah
[14:56] <ikonia> the way he was trying to evade I wondered if he was more than that (known)
[14:57] <jussi> nah, I think its just ignorance.
[14:57] <jussi> If he had more experience he would have actually looked at the ban.
[14:59] <elky> If he had more experience, he wouldn't be joining this channel for each evade attempt.
[14:59] <knome> lol
[15:00] <jussi> well given its a forward...
[15:04] <topyli> looks like he changed the quit message, the everything is fine
[15:04] <jussi> h00k: ^^
[15:05] <h00k> topyli: sounds good. It gave me an excuse to look at the bantracker for the first time
[15:05] <topyli> :)
[15:05] <topyli> removed
[15:06] <topyli> i must be tired. "the something?"
[15:06] <topyli> uh, "the everything"
[15:09] <bilalakhtar> h00k: Can you please unban me from #ubuntu-offtopic?
[15:09] <bilalakhtar> h00k: I promise I won't break the CoC again
[15:09] <h00k> bilalakhtar: it has already been removed, it looks like
[15:10] <bilalakhtar> h00k: sorry I didn't note that
[15:10] <h00k> bilalakhtar: so, you should be all set
[15:10] <bilalakhtar> h00k: thanx
[15:10] <h00k> bilalakhtar: is there anything else I can help you with?
[15:11] <bilalakhtar> h00k: nope thanx I will leave this channel now
[15:20] <elky> someone should probably still edumacate him on the basics of irc survival
[15:22] <elky> To anyone reading the above, it would seem that all you have to do to get your ban lifted is try to evade. Bravo.
[15:27] <h00k> himb eing me?
[15:28] <h00k> er, *him being, rather
[15:29] <Tm_T> h00k: being the one who was banned, rather
[15:30] <h00k> Tm_T: okay. I didn't know if it was something I could have done better
[15:30] <Tm_T> h00k: heh, just remember that evading or even trying to evade ban is a bad, baad thing
[15:31] <elky> h00k, if you spoke with him in PM, that's fine, but say that you have here so that we can defend the unlifting as having been Because He Learned
[15:32] <h00k> elky: alright, that's sort of what I figured, and I wasn't sure if that was /msg'd to him previously (about the evading)
[15:33] <elky> h00k, i can't even tell if he actually knows that bad quit messages are why he was banned in the first place, either.
[15:34] <jussi> looks like he understodd that to me, from his conversation with popey.
[19:38] <jussi> tonyyarusso: best to tell them first ;)
[19:39] <tonyyarusso> You're so sweet ;)
[20:25] <persia> hey
[20:25] <persia> -ECHAN
[20:57] <jpds> AcePreshaw looks dodgy.
[20:58] <jpds> popey: ^--.
[20:58] <jpds> Doesn't seem to be helpful in #ubuntu-website.
[21:02] <ikonia> what the devil is #ubuntu-website ?
[21:02] <ikonia> jpds: I muted him early in #ubuntu for being a jerk and had a chat to him
[21:02] <jpds> ikonia: A channel... about the Ubuntu website?
[21:03] <ikonia> (chat in pm) he agreed to control his attitude towards people
[21:03] <ikonia> never seen it before, having a poke around
[21:03] <jpds> It's old.
[21:04] <ikonia> I'm just not in the loop on it I guess
[21:04] <CaptainTrek> is there a channel specific for medibuntu?
[21:04] <ikonia> they do have their own channel yes
[21:04] <CaptainTrek> or is #ubuntu the correct channel to ask those questions?
[21:04] <ikonia> be aware it's not part of the ubuntu project
[21:04] <CaptainTrek> okay, because the repos are dead for it
[21:04] <jpds> CaptainTrek: #medibuntu ?
[21:04] <CaptainTrek> i was wondering if they would know why
[21:04] <CaptainTrek> i'll check there thanks
[21:04] <ikonia> you can chat about mediabuntu usage with ubuntu, however if there a problem with the packages you'll need to contact the medibuntu guys
[21:06] <CaptainTrek> yeah, i was wonderin if others had issues connecting to the medibuntu repos, it seems they are indeed dead for a while :P
[21:06] <CaptainTrek> thanks
[21:08] <czajkowski> aloha
[21:08] <jpds> ikonia: He's come back as heeed.
[21:08] <ikonia> ahhh I thought you where still active in here czajkowski
[21:08] <czajkowski> we've kicked AcePreshaw from ubuntu-ie today for trolling and he seems to be doing the rounds in channels
[21:08] <czajkowski> ikonia: no I left as it says no idling
[21:09] <jpds> nick change with same IP FAIL.
[21:09] <ikonia> czajkowski: you're voiced here - you can idle
[21:09] <ikonia> jpds: you're eyeballs are exceptional
[21:09] <jpds> ikonia: your*.
[21:09] <czajkowski> ikonia: grand
[21:09] <ikonia> oops
[21:09] <ikonia> yes
[21:09] <jpds> czajkowski: Am watching him.
[21:10] <czajkowski> jpds: cheers
[22:36] <funkyHat> ■▎⢁)
[22:38] <nickspoon> That's an awfully funky hat, funkyHat.
[22:38] <funkyHat> Seveas made it for me
[22:38] <nickspoon> He's a nice man. :)