[00:02] <Riddell> seele: ever alert for the call to action!
[00:03] <Riddell> seele: but the microblog and the main blog entry remain two entries, that's how the code works for now I'm afraid
[00:04] <seele> yeah, i noticed after i submitted the bug
[00:04] <Riddell> I made your name consistent anyway
[00:21] <seele> thanks
[00:22] <maco> seele: did ke4qqq get in touch with you?
[00:22] <seele> yes
[00:22] <maco> whatd you tell him?
[00:23] <seele> uh.. thanks for letting me know?
[00:23] <maco> oh ok
[00:24] <maco> he said they were looking for a kde person and i pointed him at you
[00:24] <seele> right
[00:24] <seele> cfp is open until the end of the month
[00:24] <Riddell> oh aye, call for papers, what should I talk about at Akademy?
[00:24] <maco> also, point out to justin that "dwarfed freedom edition" already exists.... gnome ;-)
[00:24] <maco> (yes yes i know it was april fools)
[00:25] <seele> maco: right.. that was part of the joke :P
[00:25] <seele> Riddell: have you done any work on umbrello lately? we always like to see application talks
[00:25] <Riddell> alas no
[00:26] <seele> oh.. so i had a nice talk with some firefox guys last night
[00:27] <seele> theyre interested in providing some native kde support for things like the file and print dialog
[00:27] <seele> they just need a person to talk to and some help
[00:27] <Riddell> umm, we already have those patches
[00:27] <Riddell> just need sent upstream
[00:27] <Riddell> which is ment to be chris coulson's task but...
[00:28] <seele> right, but upstream is what i meant instead of maintaining them
[00:28] <Riddell> I should harras him about that
[00:28] <seele> sorry, i was tlaking with my kde hat on, not kubuntu :P
[00:28] <Riddell> seele: if you point them my way that might be a good starting point to get them upstream
[00:28] <seele> but apparently theyre having discussions about how they want to handle webpage notifications
[00:29] <Riddell> what are web page notifications?
[00:29] <seele> like if facebook sends you a notification ont he webpage
[00:30] <seele> i thought there might already be a plugin for this but i guess not
[00:30] <seele> but if you get a notification on a webpage, it will send a notification to the desktop environment
[00:30] <seele> which is useful for facebook notifications and chat, gchat webpage chat, etc.
[00:30] <Riddell> never heard of that
[00:31] <Riddell> sounds non-standard
[00:31] <seele> yeah, but if they provide a function websites can call such as javascript:world.notify(); developers would know to call it
[00:32] <seele> it is useful for a lot of ajax stuff
[00:32] <seele> ^would be useful
[00:32] <seele> especially as a lot of applications are turing to the cloud
[00:32] <Riddell> yes it would be
[00:32] <seele> theyre separating from the desktop.. this would help keep them connected
[00:33] <seele> also so a really freaking awesome demo of click history effects on widgets
[00:33] <seele> which would be a great accessibility feature
[00:33] <seele> unfortunately they are using computer vision and not plugging in to the widget toolkits
[00:33] <Riddell> point them at either KNotify or VisualNotifications stuff presumably depending on how advanced they want their notifications
[00:34] <maco> seele: there's a plugin to firefox to make it talk to ayatana notifications
[00:34] <maco> er...extension
[00:34] <seele> maco: yeah, but that is firefox to desktop environment
[00:34] <seele> that's not webpage to desktop environment
[00:35] <maco> yeah now i think about it might just be the "download complete" stuff
[00:35] <seele> yeah
[00:35] <seele> i'm talking about "You received a new Google Wave message from Justin" while the webpage is open but not in focus sort of stuff
[00:35] <maco> gotcha
[00:35] <maco> that *would* be handy
[00:36] <seele> Riddell: i also got to meet charline poirier for the first time. she is brilliant. i hope canonical doesnt waste her talent
[00:37] <Riddell> seele: I should know who that is shouldn't I?
[00:38] <seele> hum.. well she is on the design team so maybe you wouldnt
[00:47] <ScottK> maco: You should see the comments on the upstream bug about the firefox notifications thing.  Upstream is not happy at all.
[00:47] <maco> bug?
[00:47] <maco> what bug?
[00:47] <ScottK> I wish I could remember.
[00:47] <ScottK> It was the one about supporting the Ayatana notifications.
[00:47] <maco> there's an extension hosted on launchpad for that
[00:47] <ScottK> I didn't save the link.
[00:48] <ScottK> Oh, this might be a little differet
[00:49] <ScottK> This one was along the lines of "hey we don't have actions, so please fix" and "huh, I guess we can work around the idiocy".
[01:00] <ScottK> seele: Just watched the PBS piece.  Very nice.
[01:06] <Riddell> and still not submitted to Dot News :(
[01:06] <jjesse> seele was on pbs?
[01:07] <Riddell> fame at last!
[01:13] <imbrandon> nice, grats seele ( i hope it was for a good reason at leaste )
[01:13] <seele> lol i'm on tv for like 10 seconds
[01:14] <ScottK> At least you got to say something.
[01:14] <imbrandon> hehe , you got 14:50 more commin then , right ? lol
[01:15] <imbrandon> what was the piece on ? i wanna look it up sometime, "just cuz"
[01:15] <ScottK> http://www-tc.pbs.org/newshour/video/2010/04/15/20100415_5_candle.flv
[01:16] <imbrandon> so whom here knows where/who i got to request to get my alioth account added to git.d.o/collab-maint ?
[01:16] <imbrandon> thanks ScottK
[01:17] <imbrandon> anyone on the collab-maint thing ? /me goes to ask in -motu before i go diggin on the debian website
[01:31] <imbrandon> ahh found it
[05:58]  * ScottK asks apachelogger to render judgement on 565180.
[06:36] <jussi> bug 565180
[08:16] <apachelogger> ScottK: I'll have to think about that a bit, because I think what the translator did is valid and good, other than bad QA and crappyness all around, but he saw something that was hard to understand and tried to fix it, unforuntatlely he introduced a bug in the process
[09:39] <tseliot> agateau: I installed colibri to use it in my kde session but now it has taken over my gnome session too. Any ideas (other than removing it)? BTW it's beautiful
[09:40] <agateau> tseliot: no real solution: dbus does not know the difference between kde and gnome :/
[09:40] <agateau> tseliot: you could manually rm the colibri dbus file and add colibri to the programs kde autostart at login
[09:41] <agateau> tseliot: it's a bit ugly but it should work
[09:41] <tseliot> agateau: yes, that should work. Thanks
[09:44] <tseliot> agateau: also, I don't know if this is your field but have you noticed that moving windows with qtcurve is not as smooth as doing the same with other themes such as oxygen?
[09:45] <agateau> tseliot: not my field, and not a qtcurve user, sorry :/
[09:45] <agateau> that's weird
[09:45] <agateau> I would suggest talking about it with qtcurve devs
[09:45] <tseliot> agateau: are there other ways to use gnome apps in kde? Maybe some customised gtkrc?
[09:46] <tseliot> yes, I'd like to talk to them about it
[09:46] <agateau> tseliot: not sure I understand your question: you don't need to customize gtkrc to run a gnome app in kde
[09:47] <tseliot> agateau: I know but I gnome apps in kde don't use kde's theme
[09:47] <agateau> oh that
[09:47] <agateau> there is a gtk-qt package iirc
[09:49] <agateau> I think it's packaged in Lucid, but I can't remember the package name
[09:50] <tseliot> ok, thanks
[10:14] <jussi> !info kcm-gtk
[10:14] <jussi> !info kcm-gtk lucid
[10:28] <Sput> can anybody open https://translations.launchpad.net/quassel/trunk/+pots/quassel without getting a 404?
[10:31] <agateau> Sput: 404 here :/
[10:32] <Sput> ok, so it's not my box
[10:32] <Sput> link seems to be working for some people
[10:32] <Sput> so I blame Launchpad
[10:36] <Sput> oh, you need to be logged in now
[10:36] <Sput> that is unfortunate
[10:39] <jussi> Sput: wfm :D
[10:39] <jussi> Sput: also, if you give me your LP name Ill add you to the team...
[10:56] <Sput> "sputnick" probably?
[11:02]  * apachelogger giggles over how easy it is to port Experimental::KNotificationItem to KStatusNotifierItem
[11:47] <ScottK> apachelogger: OK.  Please just mark a conclusion in the bug.  I'm also still getting pinged over the one broken language pack.
[11:47] <ghostcube> ehlo O/
[11:58] <Breetai> I hope this is a place where I can ask a question about the Kubuntu Lucid Beta. My mouse does not work for about the first minute after booting. Is this a known issue and is there a fix for it?
[12:05] <Riddell> Breetai: it's not something I've heard of
[12:05] <Riddell> mice control isn't anything KDE specific so better to ask X folk
[12:08] <Breetai> Well, I have not tried the Ubuntu Beta, but I can tell you I have never had this with Ubuntu or Kubuntu with Hardy, Intrepid, Jaunty or Karmic. So something has changed in Lucid. I just don't know where to point the finger.
[12:08] <Breetai> Riddell: Thanks for the help
[12:39] <lex79> apachelogger or Riddell can you upload kdeplasma-addons from bzr please?
[12:41] <lex79> there is a fix for frame plasmoid which doesn't work in picture of the day mode
[12:55] <Riddell> lex79: can do
[12:55] <lex79> thanks
[13:56] <shadeslayer> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/kdebase-workspace/+bug/564433 << Confirmed this,anyway to get a backtrace?
[14:15] <tsimpson> see if it crashes when you quit it, kquitapp plasma-desktop
[14:19] <shadeslayer> ok lets try
[14:19] <shadeslayer> yeah
[14:19] <shadeslayer> loading debug info
[14:20] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: http://shadeslayer.pastebin.com/5rGPAEry
[14:21] <shadeslayer> imo its more of a wallpaper plugin crash,than a plasma crash
[14:22] <tsimpson> I'd say it's either a PyQt bug, or a Qt bug
[14:23] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: can you explain a bit more?
[14:23] <shadeslayer> which line....
[14:24] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: it is a wallpaper plugin but... i changed the wallpaper to a stationary one,crash gone
[14:24] <shadeslayer> *bug
[14:25] <tsimpson> a python script should never cause a segfault
[14:25] <tsimpson> unless there's a bug in Python or some loaded python libraries
[14:26] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[14:27] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Wallpaper+Clock?content=119563
[14:33] <tsimpson> it's hard to tell if it's the script or PyQt4
[14:33] <shadeslayer> tsimpson: hmm... i really think its the script,ive written to the dev,awaiting his response
[14:33] <tsimpson> I've only glanced at wallpaperrenderer.py:73, but it doesn't look like it doing anything insane
[14:43]  * shadeslayer wonders how to get http://buzz.kde.org/ into choqok
[14:58] <janmalte> could you integrate some artwork even after freeze?
[14:58] <janmalte> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=123353
[14:58] <janmalte> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=123354
[14:59] <janmalte> not because its mine, but because it has a consequent design now
[14:59] <janmalte> starting with plymouth until ksplash
[15:00] <janmalte> Or could you make some artwork? i really struggled, when i first startet kubuntu beta 2 and after the new shiny plymouth the ethias kdm theme was shown
[15:37] <lex79> Riddell: so kdeplasma-addons will go with a SRU ?
[15:37] <lex79> btw the fix is not vital
[15:38] <Riddell> lex79: it's still in unapproved queue, I'll let slangasek accept it when appropriate
[15:39] <lex79> ok
[16:06] <ScottK> Quassel 0.6.1 is also in unapproved.  I expect it to remain there until after RC.
[16:07]  * ScottK larts apachelogger for forgetting to put his last quassel upload in bzr (fixed.  you're welcome).
[16:07] <shadeslayer> Riddell: hehe.. saw your mail in rekonq ML :D
[16:10] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: got a sec?
[16:11] <Tonio_> shadeslayer: meeting here
[16:11] <shadeslayer> Tonio_: oh ok
[16:31] <Riddell> apachelogger: you have four specs listed at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/10.10/Specs, I'm currently registering specs and proposing them for UDS, should I register your specs and should anything be done at UDS about them?
[16:36] <lex79> Riddell: can we add also pulse by default in the specs? Obviously if we want pulse :)
[16:37] <Riddell> lex79: using pulseaudio would come under the packaging spec I think
[16:37] <Riddell> but why would we want to do that?
[16:37] <ScottK> Riddell: I think by 12.04 we'll need pulse by default, so we might as well take the plunge now.
[16:38] <lex79> ScottK: good point
[16:39] <lex79> and KDE is moving to pulse btw, I think in kde 4.5 kmix supports pulse
[16:39]  * ScottK is curious what crimsun would advise.
[16:39] <ScottK> Yep
[16:41]  * Riddell is curious if Mamarok would ever speak to us again
[16:42] <ScottK> I'm not particularly missing it myself, but it seems like we may as well bow to the inevitable.
[16:45] <rgreening> vlc + phonon + pulse seems likely to be a workable back-end for us.. perhaps this cycle.
[16:45]  * rgreening is surmising
[16:48] <rgreening> Riddell, nixternal: do we need a spec to review Kubuntu docs?
[16:48] <ScottK> rgreening: Take a look at vlc's security history.  I'm not going to be the one to ask kees to put it in Main.
[16:49] <rgreening> ScottK: Im only seeing that xine is possibly going to be superceded in KDE by the vlc plugin. If there are security concerns, we should review...
[16:49] <rgreening> e.g. if the issues are the libs or the frontend app///.
[16:50] <ScottK> It does look to have gotten somewhat better recently.
[16:50] <ScottK> Not sure
[16:50] <rgreening> as the phonon vlc only requires bits of the libs
[17:06] <neversfelde> Quintasan: koffice in beta ppa has no ~ppa1
[17:08] <ScottK> apachelogger: I fixed the language pack by reapplying your patch.  Thanks.
[17:09] <Mamarok> Riddell: if it works and doesn't kill sound galore, and deactivates random audio cards, I can live with it
[17:11] <ScottK> Sounds reasonable.
[17:12]  * rgreening finishes writing phonon-tincan-backend, and starts working on dependency libString
[17:13] <ScottK> rgreening: Please include support for RFC 1149.
[17:21] <rgreening> ha
[17:23] <rgreening> ScottK: I can target that for release 11.10 Omnipotent Owl via libAvaiator
[17:23] <rgreening> ;)
[17:25] <ScottK> rgreening: There was a no kidding news story recently about a South African company that used carrier pigeons with flash disks to move data and it was faster than the local ISP.
[17:25] <rgreening> rofl
[17:26] <ScottK> Not kidding.
[17:27] <nixternal> jeesh, gorgeous sunny day, I am in the shower, and the power goes out....2 weeks ago when that storm hit, we didn't lose power
[17:29] <jussi> nixternal: blame the ash :P
[17:34] <nixternal> hehe
[18:05] <apachelogger> ScottK: thanks for fixing the bzr
[18:06] <ScottK> apachelogger: No problem.  I've forgotten enough times myself.
[18:06] <apachelogger> Riddell: depends on whether you want to discuss that stuff at UDS, otherwise I'd carry discussion via the mailing list
[18:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: what language pack did you fix?
[18:06] <ScottK> The one that failed to build
[18:06] <ScottK> Where you patched an older version.
[18:06] <apachelogger> ScottK: did you also add the changelog entry to the -common branch ;)
[18:06] <ScottK> I just tossed your patch in and uploaded
[18:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: No.
[18:07]  * ScottK doesn't know a thing about how that works.
[18:07] <apachelogger> now that would cause fail should another batch upload be necessary
[18:07] <apachelogger> ScottK: yeah, I meant to document it
[18:07] <apachelogger> didn't get to it yet
[18:07] <ScottK> Could you fix that up then?
[18:07] <apachelogger> sure
[18:07] <ScottK> Thanks
[18:10]  * apachelogger was wondering a bit about implemention specifics of hooking up ubuntuone with a KDE UI
[18:11] <apachelogger> either be easy on the resources and make coding a bit of a headache or use a bit more resources and make programming a charm :/
[18:12] <ScottK> apachelogger should probably give visit agateau over the summer in France.  He knows all about wiring KDE stuff and Canonical stuff together.
[18:12] <apachelogger> namely library and/or inline header magic to take care of marshaling or kded
[18:13] <apachelogger> ScottK: well, I have a dbus and akonadi dude right around the corner ;)
[18:13] <apachelogger> saves me the trip to france ^^
[18:14] <apachelogger> Riddell: btw, did my comment answer all your questions about my proposal?
[18:16] <sithlord48> hey everyone i did an upgrade to lucid last night and all went very good other then my video driver
[18:18] <sithlord48> does ne one know how to set the enviromental var FORCE_ATI_UNINSTALL
[18:18] <ScottK> sithlord48: Maybe in #ubuntu-x.
[18:18] <Riddell> apachelogger: I think so, let me re-review
[18:18] <sithlord48> cool thanks scott
[18:19]  * ScottK decides it's time to force upgrade the children.
[18:20] <apachelogger> oh my ^^
[18:21] <ScottK> (their computer, technically, if I could get an upgrade for the teenager's, I'd buy it though)
[18:22] <sithlord48> yea right now my netbook has much better gfx ability then my deskotp
[18:27] <apachelogger> ScottK: oh ;)
[18:28]  * apachelogger writes about the translation screwups
[18:50]  * apachelogger thinks that ubuntuone's syncdaemon should be hooked up with a kded module and then apps should talk to that module using a supporting header + dbus interface xml
[18:50] <apachelogger> that way one can for example take the uglyness out of the statuschanged signal and exchange the string with an enum value
[18:51]  * apachelogger isnt sure what to do about marshaling though
[18:52] <apachelogger> needs more thinking for sure :/
[19:03] <nookie^> does anyone know where fonts can be downloaded of the new logo?
[19:03] <nookie^> or are they copyrighted?
[19:04] <debfx> nookie^: I think only the letters in "kubuntu" exist
[19:04] <ScottK> Ed also, IIRC
[19:04] <ScottK> And I think X
[19:04] <nookie^> debfx: do u have that new logo somewhere maybe?
[19:05] <nookie^> i have found this so far https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand
[19:06] <debfx> nookie^: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuArtwork
[19:07] <nookie^> debfx: thanx!! i can use that
[19:07] <nookie^> to bad that i cant find fonts.. i could use them to do some banners
[19:14] <nixternal> nookie^: the new font hasn't been released yet that I know of
[19:16] <nookie^> nixternal: ahh i've see... i'll see what i can do with the logo
[19:16] <nixternal> groovy, have fun with it :)
[19:17] <nookie^> hehe thanx! :D
[19:17] <nixternal> nookie^: there are SVGs though with the new logo and text
[19:17] <nixternal> maybe Riddell knows where you can get that
[19:17] <nookie^> nixternal: yeah i have found the svg aswell there
[19:17] <nixternal> oh rock on
[19:17] <nookie^> but i think i managed it with png =)
[19:19] <nixternal> ouch
[19:24]  * apachelogger finds it unfunny that the ubuntuone tech preview he wrote in november is horribly broken in april
[19:26] <nixternal> lol
[19:26] <nixternal> apachelogger: you have to write it in python, otherwise you can't use 'ubuntu' with it ;p
[19:27] <apachelogger> call it kubuntuone then :P
[19:27] <apachelogger> thing is, hooking it up with syncdaemon is not all that difficult if only the dbus interfaces were a bit more convenient
[19:27] <apachelogger> ClientApplet(7505) Applet::statusChanged: QDBusMessage(type=MethodReturn, service=":1.610", signature="a{ss}", contents=([Argument: a{ss} {"is_error" = "", "name" = "QUEUE_MANAGER", "queues" = "WORKING_ON_BOTH", "connection" = "With User With Network", "is_online" = "True", "is_connected" = "True", "description" = "processing queues"}]) )
[19:28] <apachelogger> that is what syncdaemon's statuschanged spits out, that then gets marshaled to a QHash<QString, QString>
[19:29] <nixternal> are you throwing it all into the hash, or just a couple of items?
[19:30] <apachelogger> nixternal: all that, since it probably is a tuple in python
[19:31] <nixternal> well, i know all of contents, but type, service, and signature? any idea what those mean in this case? I know MethodReturn at least
[19:31] <apachelogger> ah
[19:31] <apachelogger> nixternal: I only marshal the content
[19:32] <apachelogger> the other stuff is not really useful in this particular case
[19:32] <apachelogger> but the content of StatusChanged is about anything you might wanna know about the status
[19:32] <nixternal> ok, was just wondering, that's all
[19:32] <nixternal> i have been thinking about ubuntuone kde client
[19:32] <nixternal> but don't have my gnome box anymore, and i am not installing it on my laptop
[19:33] <apachelogger> so I was wondering if maybe I should just move this stuff all to individual vars inside a kded module and expose them via seperate interfaces
[19:33] <apachelogger> so the module emits statusChanged and the client would go poke the module for the information it needs
[19:33] <nixternal> hrmm
[19:34] <apachelogger> then again that might cause more traffic on dbus than is necessary
[19:34] <nixternal> yeah, don't have any experience with kded modules...though separating them into interfaces doesn't sound all that bad, that way there people can become opportunistic and create a plasma widget for each interface :p
[19:34] <apachelogger> ^^
[19:34] <nixternal> haha
[19:35] <apachelogger> thing is, primary use case is probably a statusnotifier, and that beasty would mostly need all information at once
[19:35] <apachelogger> the logic behind getitng the information out of that hash is ugly though
[19:36] <nixternal> lucky you...I am working on designing a new site for a client
[19:36]  * nixternal kicks ScottK in the shins
[19:36] <nixternal> I said, "Yeah, of course I can do that"
[19:36] <nixternal> i suck at designing
[19:36] <seele> geez
[19:37] <seele> i'm sorry but this ubuntu women stuff is really getting on my nerves
[19:37]  * nixternal whistles
[19:37] <seele> like, i understand there needs to be some outreach in programs
[19:37] <seele> but like.. ubuntu beats you over the head with a giant stick about it
[19:37] <seele> like every day there is some celebration of ubuntu women
[19:37] <nixternal> seele: we had the BSD lady here last month at our conference, and her message to the Linux community, and really Ubuntu was, "Put up or shut up"
[19:37] <seele> let's all pat ourselves on the back instead of get some work done
[19:37] <nixternal> I think everyone turned ghost faced when she said that
[19:38] <seele> you know.. funny i was at a minority and women in technology workshop last weekend
[19:38] <seele> and their approach is completely opposite of these linux women groups
[19:38] <apachelogger> hm
[19:38] <seele> they aren't all about rallying the troops and trying to make people aware
[19:38] <apachelogger> nixternal: can we please implement the ubuntu women work paradigm
[19:38] <seele> theyre more about supporting each other and kicking ass in their field
[19:39] <seele> because no matter what, there is always going to be discrimination
[19:39] <apachelogger> nixternal: no work and more praising is awesome IMHO
[19:39] <seele> and it's more important to support people to get work done than to point it out and cry about it
[19:40] <nixternal> Randi Harper was the FreeBSD lady...she was awesome! and I believe she uses KDE
[19:40] <apachelogger> seele: makes more sense IMO, I mean, how else would you want to get rid of discrimination other than proofing people wrong anyway?
[19:40] <nixternal> seele: see, you can say that...i never once would have said it because there is a great chance i would have never heard the end of it, i would have been attacked hardcore
[19:40] <seele> nixternal: which is unfair imo
[19:41] <seele> uber female promotion makes men have to treat women with kid gloves
[19:41] <apachelogger> nixternal: http://gitorious.org/ubuntuone-client-kde/ubuntuone-client-kde/blobs/master/src/applet.cpp#line130 any thoughts for improving this?
[19:41] <seele> which is counter productive to the point of those types of organizations
[19:41] <apachelogger> nixternal: IIRC that is a straight port of what the gnome python thingy did
[19:41] <janmalte> could you integrate some artwork even after freeze?
[19:41]  * nixternal hugs the hell out of seele 
[19:41] <nixternal> you are the new 'nixternal spokeswoman' :D
[19:41] <seele> you get people crying about gender shit and then all the men are afraid to talk to women or speak their mind
[19:41] <txwikinger> seele: Well... it needs both.. awareness is often the key for people start to understand
[19:42] <seele> nixternal: this isnt the first time i've ranted about it, although i tend to stick to kde channels when i do this
[19:42] <seele> simply because ubuntu has this super woman culture
[19:42]  * apachelogger envisions another blog post of the kubuntu is not ubuntu series :P
[19:42] <txwikinger> eveything just needs to stay in proper proprtions
[19:42] <Riddell> hi janmalte
[19:42] <nixternal> txwikinger: awareness is cool, but not shove it down your throat, or when sabdfl made an off comment he was immediately attacked and everyone demanded an apology
[19:43] <Riddell> janmalte: it's too late to make artwork changes or upload new packages, although packages could be put in a PPA
[19:43] <nixternal> nobody says anything about Riddell and hot tubs though!
[19:43] <txwikinger> nixternal: yeah.. I know .. some of the stuff was under the belt
[19:43] <janmalte> its because of these two
[19:43] <nixternal> GO BLACKHAWKS!
[19:43] <janmalte> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=123353
[19:43] <janmalte> http://kde-look.org/content/show.php?content=123354
[19:43] <janmalte> not because its mine, but because it has a consequent design now
[19:43] <txwikinger> nixternal: GO Linux-team :D
[19:43] <apachelogger> nixternal: I think the hot tub paradigm is gender agnostic though
[19:44] <nixternal> dangit, i went to click those kde-look links and you all talked and moved them away from the mouse cursor!
[19:44]  * txwikinger has adopted the team with the pingus on their shirts as the linux team
[19:44] <apachelogger> Sput: fail ^
[19:44] <apachelogger> Sput: when mouse is howering over a poor urly the chatview shouldnt scroll down
[19:44] <nixternal> I use irssi
[19:45] <nixternal> and usually have weblink catching turned on
[19:45] <nixternal> but i was lazy and didn't turn it on i guess
[19:45] <apachelogger> omg!!!
[19:45] <nixternal> calm down now
[19:46]  * apachelogger calms down
[19:46] <apachelogger> ClientApplet(7505) Applet::statusChanged: QHash(("queues", "WORKING_ON_BOTH")("connection", "With User With Network")("description", "processing queues")("is_connected", "True")("is_online", "True")("is_error", "")("name", "QUEUE_MANAGER"))
[19:46]  * apachelogger finds this way too ugly
[19:46] <nixternal> very
[19:47] <nixternal> shouldn't there be a ',' between the ()'s?
[19:47] <nixternal> that would make it a bit easier to read
[19:47] <apachelogger> nixternal: it is not for reading anyway
[19:47] <apachelogger> that is kdebug output
[19:48] <nixternal> well, kdebug output is meant to be read, otherwise you wouldn't need it
[19:49] <janmalte> So there is no way to get some artwork integrated into kubuntu 10.04?
[19:49] <apachelogger> nixternal: well, QHash<QString, QString> is no standard data type
[19:50] <apachelogger> janmalte: not at this point
[19:50] <Riddell> janmalte: we're in final freeze, nothing can stop release now
[19:50] <janmalte> ok, so where to propose it to the ppa?
[19:51] <janmalte> Yes i know, i started to late trying out the new release
[19:51] <Riddell> janmalte: but it's great to see people playing around with the new logo.  we can put it in our experimental PPA if it gets packaged
[19:51] <janmalte> so i just recognized yesterday that the artwork is totaly inconsequent
[19:52] <Riddell> janmalte: how do you mean inconsequent?
[19:52] <janmalte> Starting with dark blue color and the new kubuntu logo
[19:52] <janmalte> at plymouth
[19:52] <janmalte> getting the grey lightblue ethias theme at kdm
[19:53] <neversfelde> I am afraid I'm to lazy to package amarok 2.3.1 beta for karmic :)
[19:53] <neversfelde> s/to/too
[19:53] <apachelogger> neversfelde: go find a minion
[19:53] <neversfelde> that is probably even more work
[19:53] <apachelogger> neversfelde: it pays off though
[19:54] <nookie^> Riddell: i have done a banner simillar as the one for ubuntu
[19:54] <nookie^> let me show u
[19:55]  * nixternal goes out for a while, if you need me, call me, if you don't need me, call me, I am lonely
[19:55] <nixternal> later gators!
[19:55] <nookie^> http://imagebin.ca/img/HjEtAPr.png
[19:55] <nookie^> there it is Riddell
[19:56] <nixternal> that whole "Change is coming" stuff makes me think of the Obama campaign promises and it makes me puke in my mouth everytime I hear it or see it
[19:56] <janmalte> nice wor nookie^
[19:56] <nookie^> nixternal: haha true
[19:56] <nookie^> janmalte: thanks.
[19:57] <Riddell> nookie^: looks lovely
[19:57] <Riddell> I'm agreeing with nixternal though that the slogan is sounding like a politician.  David Cameron in my case
[19:57] <janmalte> but i would remove one dot at the bottom to keep the branding consisten
[19:57] <janmalte> at plymouth there are five, and also in the kdm and splash i made ;) :D
[19:58] <nookie^> janmalte: i added 6 because to fit with the kubuntu.org =)
[19:58]  * apachelogger really doesnt consider dots part of any branding ^^
[19:58] <nookie^> Riddell: so i can make 9 more of those
[19:58] <nookie^> ?
[19:58] <nookie^> or should we change the change?
[19:58] <nookie^> to like Kubuntu is coming or something
[19:59] <Riddell> "Kubuntu is coming" could well be taken the wrong way by people with a certain sort of mind
[19:59] <janmalte> maybe remove the kubuntu logo and put it as a transparent behind the remaining days
[19:59] <nookie^> Riddell: haha lol!
[19:59] <nookie^> but true!
[19:59] <nookie^> janmalte: it could be too much stuff at one place
[19:59] <janmalte> "Explore the furure"
[20:00] <nookie^> im doing 9 more days
[20:00] <nookie^> brb
[20:00] <janmalte> future
[20:00] <Riddell> nookie^: "Friendly Computing" is what we have on kubuntu.org
[20:00] <nookie^> Riddell: i'll change to that
[20:00] <maco> Riddell: surprised to see that being pointed out by you :P
[20:00] <janmalte> nookie^: yeah, your right
[20:00] <janmalte> but moving the logo somewhere else would be better i think
[20:01] <Riddell> might be nice to get the LTS more of a mention
[20:01] <Riddell> "Friendly Computing here for the Long Term"
[20:01] <nookie^> that is to much text
[20:01] <nookie^> for a small banner i guess
[20:02] <nookie^> but if i make lts
[20:02] <nookie^> hmm let me try lts bold and see what it looks like
[20:02] <nookie^> janmalte: could be like that but i dont know
[20:02] <maco> nixternal: yeah didnt you say Riddell tried to drag you to the mall for a swimsuit too when you answered "no, no hot tub. dont have a swimsuit on me"?
[20:03] <Daskrech> Hi
[20:06] <Riddell> probably more artists in the channel now than we've had for a long time :)
[20:09] <Daskrech> :-)
[20:09] <Daskrech> Can You have the Boot up messages show for Plymouth?
[20:10] <janmalte> Just have to ask again, there is definitly no way to get it into 10.04? But if i provide a package it could be put into the ppa?
[20:11] <Riddell> janmalte: I'm afraid so, we need to stay focused on testing and critical bug fixes and artwork won't count in that
[20:11] <Riddell> janmalte: but if you know how to package we'd be happy to put them in a PPA
[20:12] <Riddell> and if you know how to package you should stay around and do artwork and packaging and things :)
[20:12] <neversfelde> hehe
[20:12] <janmalte> :)
[20:17] <Riddell> ryanakca: ping, we have countdown banners
[20:22] <ScottK> apachelogger: My advice on the Ubuntu One thing is don't get it working too well before they agree to pay you to do it.  If you do it first, their motivation goes down.
[20:22]  * apachelogger is just poking
[20:23]  * Daskrech pokes apachelogger
[20:27] <Daskrech> nixternal: You did some work on the Plymouth theme didn't you?
[20:28] <ScottK> Daskrech: nixternal is a Plymouth theme master.
[20:28] <ScottK> BTW, got the new plymouth theme on shutdown to restart during the upgrade.  That was kind of interesting.
[20:29] <Riddell> interesting how?
[20:31] <ScottK> Just suprising to me that I had the new theme before the reboot.
[20:31] <ScottK> Not in a bad way.
[20:32] <ScottK> I've got some bug reports to write but nothing critical.
[20:35]  * apachelogger thinks that maybe the ubuntuone UI magic should just be using the syncdaemon directly and have marshal magic in some namespace'd header
[20:35] <apachelogger> that said, all should be namespaced to UbuntuOne anyway I suppose
[20:37] <janmalte> just because it was asked it an other channel, are there a beta version of kubuntu netbook? could the artwork be integrated there? :)
[20:39] <Riddell> janmalte: there are beta versions of kubuntu netbook.  but the whole archie is under final freeze (and artwork freeze was ages ago)
[20:40] <janmalte> ok, i give up, no chance for me :)
[20:40] <Riddell> janmalte: in general we like to use KDE's artwork so rather than altering KDM to match plymouth it might be better to look at altering plymouth to match KDM (although it's certainly nice to have this KDM theme as an option)
[20:42] <ryanakca> Riddell: Shall I make the action items disappear then?
[20:44] <Riddell> ryanakca: naw it's just a small banner
[20:44] <Riddell> http://imagebin.ca/img/fP4kJa.png
[20:44] <Riddell> maybe put it on the left hand colum above the headlines
[20:44] <Riddell> nookie^ is doing the rest in the series
[20:45] <janmalte> looks better with just five dots :)
[20:45] <Riddell> janmalte: I quite agree :)
[20:45] <Riddell> ryanakca: do you know what needs doing to get ofir's site design up?
[20:54] <JontheEchidna> Btw, does anybody know what happens after the Canonical travel agency dudes finalize your flight arrangements? How do I get the tickets to use on the day of the flight?
[20:55] <Riddell> JontheEchidna: the UK one sends you a link to a web page with all the flight details including the magic number you type into the machine at check in time
[20:56] <JontheEchidna> hmm, maybe I missed something on the receipt
[21:00] <JontheEchidna> Oh ho, I did. There's an attachment to this email, with a link for online checkin
[21:01] <JontheEchidna> dang, this is an awfully confusing way of going about things: bug 566123
[21:41] <freinhard> hi!
[21:41] <freinhard> has anyone packaged kraft 0.40 yet?
[21:45] <ScottK> It would be lovely if someone would look into the patch for KDE bug 234010 and see if maybe we can get that in post RC.
[21:49] <ryanakca> Riddell: The sysadmins are looking into a testsite. The theme has been reviewed / approved. https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=10496
[21:52] <Riddell> ryanakca: testsuite?
[21:52] <neversfelde> ScottK: I can put this on my todo for tomorrow
[21:52] <Riddell> freinhard: not that I've seen
[21:52] <ScottK> neversfelde: Excellent.  Thanks.
[21:54] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes, like what we had last time around, where they install the theme, we look at it/OK it, and then they copy it over / point www.kubuntu.org to it.
[21:54] <freinhard> Riddell: in case i would do it, it's too late for lucid anyways?
[21:55] <neversfelde> freinhard: yes, we're in final freeze
[21:55] <neversfelde> we could put it into a ppa, if you package it
[21:56] <Riddell> ryanakca: oh aye, that's good
[21:57] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes, I'm looking forward to getting rid of my look-at-it-the-wrong-way-and-it-breaks theme
[21:57] <Riddell> ryanakca: I fear it won't happen in time for lucid release though, might be worth coming up with a plan for what to do if it doesn't (i.e. can the logo be replaced?)
[21:59] <ryanakca> Riddell: Yes, I just need to switchout the logo file in the theme and bug a sysadmin to merge it in.
[22:15] <nookie^> Riddell: i need to get some sleep now... i have uploaded the files again.. here is the link http://blusrcu.ba/nookie/kubuntu_banner_final.zip ... Good night! =)
[22:46] <Riddell> ryanakca: ^^
[23:21] <apachelogger> ohhh
[23:21] <apachelogger> kubotu: np
[23:21] <kubotu> apachelogger is listening to "Amarok" by Mike Oldfield [Amarok, 2000] [http://open.spotify.com/track/6cGa6b2xqrm7f9UJB3LkHx] -- see http://www.last.fm/user/apachelogger for more
[23:21] <apachelogger> almost through already ^^
[23:21]  * apachelogger didnt notice
[23:23] <apachelogger> Riddell: what I would imagine implementationwise http://people.ubuntu.com/~apachelogger/tmp/UiImplementations.png
[23:24] <apachelogger> the kded module takes care of login and auth and connection as well as marshals the data from syncdaemon into Qt data types and most likely exposes it with a bit more signals to the ui implementations
[23:25]  * apachelogger didn't look into KIO yet, though it should probably first stop since it will mostly need to render information from the kded module, which is pretty slick IIRC
[23:25] <apachelogger> network:/ and desktop:/ have supporting kded modules too I think