[00:00] <btakita> I think it's a bug, but I have not been able to isolate any causes
[00:00] <bjsnider> what kind of hard drive?
[00:00] <btakita> sda
[00:00] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: To much stuff you use regularly that doesnt work out of the box.
[00:00] <btakita> sata
[00:01] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, everything i use works out of the box
[00:01] <duffydack> Oxymoron, none of my stuff works OOTB in windows...
[00:01] <bjsnider> btakita, more specifically, make and model
[00:01] <duffydack> Driver install, next next, reboot, rinse repeat... uhhhh
[00:02] <btakita> bjsnider: Aah, ATA/ATAPI-4,5,6,7 Model=ST980411ASG
[00:02] <btakita> oops, that's not the make
[00:02] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Most things does yes, but some things doesnt. When plug in new external devices they usually doesnt work or they do in the Linux core but no protocol can handle it ...
[00:02] <duffydack> to say I have a spanking new i7 laptop and it all works OOTB.. gotta give ubuntu credit.
[00:02] <btakita> bjsnider: Make=seagate
[00:03] <Oxymoron> duffydack: More OOTB then Ubuntu I would say. I dont promote WIndows though, seriously I hate Windows I would love Ubuntu crush em like a bug TODAY.
[00:04] <bjsnider> ubuntu does crush windows like a bug today
[00:04] <Oxymoron> duffydack: I have been able to add more and more things that works out of the box now but still miss some things. Some things are now mostly application specific so cant blame distro makers or GNU/Linux core for that.
[00:04] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: If it would, why isnt Ubuntu the largest and most used OS today? :P
[00:04] <duffydack> Oxymoron, I dont wish bug splattery on anyone, even MS..  they do what they do, people like or hate it,.. I use what I like..
[00:05] <duffydack> Oxymoron, because its installed as default by mostly everyone...its a culture thing.
[00:05] <bjsnider> because microsoft has insinuated themselves onto most new computers before the customer can choose any alternative
[00:06] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Ubuntu and linux in general is far from perfect, even when it comes to stability. My father's laptop had a kernel panic almost every day due to a graphics memory leak in aislriot solitare untill he found out that was the cause. Worse than the memory leak is that a user space app, especially a simple one like solitare, can cause a kernel panic.
[00:06] <Oxymoron> duffydack: And MS have bug splattered other companys and people, I think they deserved to be crushed and I would like to see Bill Gates stocks go into zero :D
[00:06] <btakita> bjsnider: I can't file a bug because I don't know which package to file it under.
[00:06] <Oxymoron> duffydack: Well break that culture then ;)
[00:06] <bjsnider> btakita, what does the hdparm test yield?
[00:06] <duffydack> the user is at fault too..  the "ooo its got shiny Aero so it must be a good OS" attitude is no good..
[00:07] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, impossible
[00:07] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Even if customer could choose from the beginning most people dont even know what *buntu is anyway.
[00:07] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Sorry, I was remembering wrong, it only crashes X.
[00:07] <duffydack> the people ive spoken to and they mention how good windows 7 looks..like it supposed to mean something?
[00:07] <bjsnider> there you go
[00:07] <Oxymoron> duffydack: I would like to see oh damn it looks good and perfomance is even better <3
[00:08] <duffydack> I guess most people dont care enough like us :)
[00:08] <duffydack> they just wanna boot it and use it.
[00:08] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Killing X isn't exacltly a small problem.
[00:08] <bjsnider> Oxymoron, this is bug 1
[00:08] <Oxymoron> duffydack: Yes ;) But as far as I concern I think its possible to give both geeks and end user what they want.
[00:09] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, xorg/mesa is a disaster, depending on which driver you're stuck with
[00:09] <bjsnider> ati's driver team should have been fired a long time ago
[00:09] <duffydack> most end users dont know what they want..or how to get it.. they have windows installed and thats good enough for them.
[00:10] <Oxymoron> duffydack: Yes, thats why we have to convince them thats *buntu is better than Windows ;)
[00:10] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: I agree, so how can you so casually dismiss claims of instability?
[00:10] <DanaG> I had to set up an old laptop for a grandmother, and if it weren't for Toshiba + NV17 so badly breaking EVERYTHING.... I would've put ubuntu on it.
[00:11] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, because windows has an equally bad graphics stack
[00:11] <Oxymoron> duffydack: I have tried to convince many people to use *buntu but most people even programmers and geeks thinks its to complicated and doesnt work with games and so on. But mostly I was need to convince myself more than them ...
[00:11] <duffydack> they use facebook, play some music, and buy every app going to prevent spyware and virus..they`ll learn when theyre ready..
[00:11] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Haha :D
[00:12] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, you agree that the linux kernel is the most stable of the os kernels right?
[00:12] <DanaG> ugh, even on radeon, resize in compiz is laggy.
[00:12] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Can you give an example of an unpriveleged application causing such a crash in Vista or 7?
[00:12] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Not for desktop use, no.
[00:12] <bjsnider> lol
[00:12] <bjsnider> ok
[00:12] <histo> lol google chrom browser buttons on are the right
[00:12] <Oxymoron> duffydack: With some advertisement and better GUI/interfaces I am positive that more people are going to understand how much Apple and Microsoft sucks. Look at Android vs Apple OS for instance ;)
[00:14] <Oxymoron> bjsnider: Btw, from now on I only buy computers part by part just to exlude that WIndows License crappy thing.
[00:14] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, it's apples and oranges. nvidia's hideous driver took down vista all the time. microsoft reported that half of vista's bsod problems were due to the nvidia driver. and ati's driver isn't competent enough to take down the kernel. now in 2 years, the nvidia driver has never taken this rig down
[00:14] <bjsnider> even though 90% of the code is shared
[00:15] <DanaG> Oh, and Creative.... let's just say for a long time, they couldn't handle 64-bit.  That may STILL be true.
[00:15] <duffydack> the last time I looked, my ati 4650 had no 64bit driver from ati.. I had to use dells..
[00:15] <bjsnider> obviously the linux kernel must be doing something right if it's able to resist nvidia's crappiness
[00:15] <duffydack> for win7 that is...
[00:15] <bradbook> Jumping in on this somewhat late, but if Jordan_U's point is that Linux desktop software is not significantly more stable, I agree wholeheartedly.
[00:15] <DanaG> duffydack: if you still have windows, check out catalyst 10.3 preview.... they now support mobiles directly.
[00:15] <DanaG> Or 10.4, once that's out.
[00:16] <bradbook> There are as many if not more annoyances in the software shipping for the Linux desktop as there are for Windows desktops. This is a fact we must all accept before we can work to improve.
[00:16] <DanaG> heh, my mom's iMac gets kernel panics sometimes randomly... when doing things as simple as copying files from a USB SD card reader.
[00:16] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: The bug I am referring to happens with intel BTW. I have never seen Vista or 7 BSOD (or reboot, since I think that's the default now for kernel panics) except due to hardware failure. Granted though, that may just be because I don't use windows on my own computers.
[00:17] <Oxymoron> duffydack: I miss a REAL AWESOME Media player in all desktop environments that works as well as Amarok but better and can play videos too. Then I need a GOOD IM-client that fully understand the P2P protocol, webcams and most IM-protocols. A good browser like Chromium but more polished and not bloated as Firefox is starting to be now, better IDE/editor for programming, a more polished control panel, faster HDD transfer protocols,
[00:17] <Oxymoron> faster boot time and so on.
[00:17] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, the intel linux gpu driver is taken down by solitaire?
[00:18] <DanaG> wow, just managed to freeze up my desktop for a while by resizing a window.
[00:18] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Yes, #477915
[00:18] <Oxymoron> duffydack: And yes, Linux kernel is good itself. The problem is mostly the distros unfotunatly :(
[00:18] <bjsnider> DanaG, using the macos it kernel panics?
[00:19] <DanaG> yup.  or at least, that happened once.
[00:19] <bjsnider> bug 477915
[00:19] <Oxymoron> duffydack: Btw is nVidia not crappy, works more stable than ATI cards. If there was a better alternative to ATI or nVidia I owuld switch ;)
[00:19] <DanaG> The ATI open-source driver is pretty darn good as it is right now.
[00:19] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, it's fixed
[00:19] <bjsnider> DanaG, no thanks to ati
[00:20] <DanaG> What do you mean, "no thanks"?
[00:20] <bjsnider> well, there have been no document drops in 2 years
[00:20] <Oxymoron> DanaG: He means give credit to OpenSOurce programmers ;)
[00:20] <duffydack> Oxymoron, I have no problems with ATi.. never have since using my 9800 on 8.04
[00:20] <duffydack> I have a newer model now, and works fine...compiz etc...
[00:21] <Oxymoron> duffydack: I got heavy issues when using my X600 (First PCI-express card).
[00:21] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Aisleriot is fixed, the intel driver isn't.
[00:21] <DanaG> http://www.x.org/docs/AMD/
[00:21] <Oxymoron> duffydack: Maybe ATI is better today though, I havent bought a new card since like forever. When I bought nVidia 9750 GT nVidia was best for me at that moment
[00:22] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: You can still crash X with an unprivileged app.
[00:23] <Oxymoron> duffydack: Btw, do you know if there is any smaller ATI/nVidia card out there that is good? I dont want to cover my whole freaking motherboard xD
[00:23] <DanaG> anyway, "no docs in 2 years", if it's even true, is better than "no docs in... well, EVER."
[00:23] <duffydack> Oxymoron, no idea.. mine is the size of a stamp, its in a laptop :)
[00:23] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, they're changing x so it runs unprivileged IIRC
[00:24] <chorse> Oxymoron: can't you get an onboard chip?
[00:24] <duffydack> well maybe not THAT small.. but its still in a laptop, so is smaller than a regular pc..
[00:24] <Oxymoron> duffydack: LoL :D Thats so ironic, mobile platforms got smaller and smaller but in desktops they got bigger and bigger xD Who has the largest engine ... :D lol
[00:25] <Oxymoron> chorse: OnBoard chip works I guess, but usually not good?
[00:25] <duffydack> Oxymoron, reminds me of the voodoo3 I got years ago... it took the whole pc up including 2 power cables
[00:25] <chorse> Oxymoron: depends, for me they suffice
[00:25] <duffydack> or was it the voodoo4
[00:26] <Oxymoron> chorse: Mine wouldnt last for my usage I think unfortunatly but I have onboard chip.
[00:26] <duffydack> yeah, it was
[00:26] <Oxymoron> duffydack: Hehe :D Sound redicilous like the new ATI and nVidia cards that take two PCI slots ...
[00:27] <Oxymoron> Or CPU fans that covers over the whole motherboard ...
[00:27] <Oxymoron> I dont attend to overclock, I just want a regular good quality component that lasts forever.
[00:27] <duffydack> Oxymoron, i had a tower that was made of fans....I could hear it from outside.
[00:28] <Oxymoron> Would be nice with anti-static filters but I have never found any ...
[00:28] <Oxymoron> duffydack: Hahahahahaha :D
[00:28] <chorse> my pc has a single fan at 10dB
[00:28] <duffydack> you think I`m joking
[00:28] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: That doesn't change the fact that there are stability issues with desktop linux today, and there likely will be for at least a few more years. Claims of instability cannot simply be dissmissed and to do so gives a false expectation to future users who may resent that their experience doesn't match the hype (a resentment that could last long after the technical issues are resolved).
[00:28] <Oxymoron> duffydack: No, I believe you ;)
[00:29] <duffydack> 2 huge fans covering each side panel of the tower....
[00:29] <Oxymoron> duffydack: I owuld like a computer where I never ever have to upgrade any components in gold, titanium, carbon fiber or whatever thats best isolating heat and so on. Then it should be silence as the air in my room so I can sleep when its on.
[00:29] <duffydack> I paid a wackload for it...I got rid of it at the earliest opportunity
[00:30] <Oxymoron> duffydack: LoL, why did you even buy it?
[00:30] <coz_> Oxymoron,  I think you want water cooled
[00:30] <duffydack> I had an AMD overclocked to 1g
[00:30] <coz_> :)
[00:30] <duffydack> they ran HOT....
[00:30] <Oxymoron> coz_: Isnt that expensive and working bad? :P
[00:31] <coz_> Oxymoron,  well no they work well and yes they are expensive ... the other solution is submersible system
[00:31]  * Oxymoron would like to invent a anti-static filter so no dust particles is attracted to his computer.
[00:31] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, i don't doubt it. but the other platforms are no better, quite the opposite
[00:31] <Oxymoron> coz_: ANd as far as I know they also use a lot of space? :D
[00:31] <DanaG> Oxymoron: silentpcreview.com
[00:31] <duffydack> Oxymoron, I believe someone invented such a thing
[00:32] <Oxymoron> duffydack: Why havent I seen it on the main market? :P
[00:32] <coz_> Oxymoron,  no the real good water cooled are space efficient
[00:32] <coz_> Oxymoron,   http://www.google.com/#q=mineral+oil+computer&hl=en&source=univ&tbs=vid:1&tbo=u&ei=X5bLS_T_IsP68AaGmKHFCg&sa=X&oi=video_result_group&ct=title&resnum=1&ved=0CBYQqwQwAA&fp=bcdf8cbbf06dc4f
[00:33] <duffydack> Oxymoron,  I think there was something...  it was a long time ago..  Someone used wipes attached to the fans also to catch dust...
[00:34] <Oxymoron> coz_: Haha cool :O Like the one who said what is a aquarium without bubbles and then push out some bubbles into the computer box :D
[00:34] <Oxymoron> DanaG: Thanks :)
[00:34] <btakita> bjsnider: Well when things are good, it's ~ 6500 MB/sec. When things are slow, it's ~ 350 MB/sec.
[00:34] <coz_> Oxymoron,  there is a company that makes ready made submersed systems as well
[00:34] <btakita> bjsnider: This is when running hdparm -T
[00:35] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: I disagree. Can you point to an example of Vista or 7 crashing due to an unprivileged app? Things like that in the windows world are usually considered severe vulnerabilities, are publicised greatly, and are fixed relatively promptly.
[00:35] <Oxymoron> coz_: I wonder whats the price on that ... not sure if its worth it xD
[00:36] <Oxymoron> duffydack: WOuld be better to unattract dust from chassi ;)
[00:36] <btakita> bjsnider: So far the slowness manifests itself when I run my tests for my Rails project. It then takes around 20 minutes to "recover" and get fast again. In the mean time I have been killing any related processes.
[00:36] <Oxymoron> duffydack: But if you took care of the dust it would be nice though so you dont have to clean up later on :D
[00:36] <duffydack> Oxymoron,  then you need dust repellent material like in BTTF
[00:37] <Oxymoron> duffydack: Its so sad when CPU fan get a lot of dust or GPU fan and then gets hot and burn itself ...
[00:37] <bjsnider> btakita, does the disk utility say the disk is healthy?
[00:37] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, if you believe in windows that much (you're wrong) then why aren't you using it?
[00:37] <Oxymoron> duffydack: Why arent any chassi providers provide their chaassi with those kind of filters?
[00:37] <btakita> bjsnider: Yes. The buffered read performance is not really affected either (hdparm -t)
[00:38] <btakita> bjsnider: It's the cached reads that are drastically affected
[00:38] <bjsnider> btakita, what file system?
[00:38] <btakita> bjsnider: ext4
[00:38] <Oxymoron> coz_: But I will remember submersed cooling systems thoug h :)
[00:39] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: It's not convienint for development, is not as stable as a server OS, is proprietary. Many reasons.
[00:39] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, i troubleshoot windows machines for a living. i have seen many things far worse than gtk logging out when someone is playing solitaire
[00:40] <bjsnider> btakita, i doubt it's anything to do with linux specifically. i'd check the seagate website
[00:41]  * duffydack watches the new fringe.. ooo its robocop guy
[00:41] <btakita> bjsnider: Just for my understanding, the cached reads are done from RAM, or from the HDD hardware?
[00:41] <bjsnider> not sure
[00:41] <BUGabundo> [OT] Format: A Brief History of Data Storage http://vimeo.com/9602282
[00:41] <bjsnider> it wouldn't be directly from the hard drive mechanically if it's cache
[00:42] <bjsnider> and certainly not at those speeds
[00:42] <BUGabundo> :)
[00:43] <btakita> That makes sense. That's why I'm suspicious that it's a kernel issue of some type, some process is taking all of the resources, or it's a hardware issue.
[00:43] <bjsnider> yeah but the drive has cache ram on it. it could be a problem with that
[00:43] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Could you give an example from a fresh install on know good hardware?
[00:44] <bjsnider> JOrdan example of what?
[00:44] <btakita> True. That's good to know.
[00:45] <btakita> bjsnider: Thanks for you help.
[00:46] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: Things far worse than X crashing due to a bug in the solitare app that's shipped by default (not gtk all of X, which means all running applications for an average desktop user)
[00:50] <DanaG> interesting... resizing with dont_backfill_bg_none is way faster than with xorg-backclear patch.
[00:56] <BUGabundo> that's it for me ! see you all in 7h
[00:59]  * DanaG randomly switches to kde for a short while.
[01:01] <Raydiation> how can i edit the path in nautilus?
[01:02] <Jordan_U> Raydiation: cltl+L
[01:04] <Raydiation> Jordan_U: ty
[01:05] <Zelozelos> how do i mount and play a dvd iso? i tried the one program and i successfully mounted the iso but i could not play the movie
[01:06] <btakita> bjsnider: Clearing the read cache seems to help. http://mtj.wordpress.com/2006/10/18/clearing-linux-filesystem-read-cache/
[01:07] <Raydiation> Jordan_U: how come you cant edit it anymore without shortcut? the symbol disappeared :/
[01:07] <Zelozelos> oh, the pgm is called Gmount, but the players i have only will play from a dev/dvd folder which i cannot set as the mount point
[01:08] <DanaG> ooh, latest kde4 is actually pretty nice.
[01:08] <ZykoticK9> Raydiation, you can actually just press the / key to get the location bar as well
[01:09]  * nick125 wishes KDE4 was more than a second-class citizen on Ubuntu
[01:09] <Raydiation> ZykoticK9: interesting
[01:09] <ZykoticK9> Raydiation, there is a method to make the location bar permanent if you want
[01:10] <Raydiation> ZykoticK9: i just want a button where i click and paste some link
[01:10] <ZykoticK9> Raydiation, a design decision was made to remove that button
[01:11] <Zelozelos> btw in case someone is wondering, im trying to mount/play dvd iso's of home movies of my kids that i saved as iso's, that way i will know what they are when i set up the menu files
[01:14] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, sure. power outage causes system to power down incorrectly because the registry is broken. now windows will not boot. linux has no such issue because there is no registry
[01:15] <Zelozelos> ok lets try and ask this way, maybe im being a little confusing, i need to know how to set gmount's mount place to /dev/dvd
[01:16] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, i'm not a fan of VLC but have you tried opening the ISOs with it?
[01:16] <Zelozelos> ZykoticK9 i will thank you for the suggestion :)
[01:17] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: "power outage causes system to power down incorrectly because the registry is broken." Why is the registry broken? Or did you mean that the registry is broken because the power outage?
[01:18] <Zelozelos> ZykoticK9 no its leting me brows the folder but when i try and play them its not playing anyof them
[01:18] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, windows is constantly reading/writing to the registry, so if power is suddenly lost the registry is almost always broken beyond repair
[01:19] <Zelozelos> i think ill have better luck in windows :( that way i dont have 2 worry about the mount point--i think anyhow--
[01:19] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, sorry man I don't have any DVD ISOs to test with on my end, so don't have any other suggestions.  Good luck.
[01:19] <Zelozelos> ZykoticK9 thanks anyhow :)
[01:21] <Jordan_U> bjsnider: I knew someone who always irritated me because among other things he would switch off his computer without actually shutting down, he was a windows user and never had problems booting again. I'd say that the problems with *old* files silently being zeroed out by ext4 on power outages were worse, but to be fair those have been mostly fixed.
[01:21] <Zelozelos> ZykoticK9 OH! if you are willing, would you dl a short avi from somewhere and use devede to create the iso? you are probably more knowledgeable then myself im still a noob at ubuntu
[01:22] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, sure give me a minute to install devede
[01:23] <bjsnider> Jordan_U, ntuser.dat file is suddenly corrupted (perhaps because of its massive size) and on vista/windows 7 if there are no other manually created user accounts you have to do a wipe/reload because you can't log in anymore. Linux has no such file (only gconf settings) so that cannot happen. xp had a workaround (hidden admin account in safe mode, removed in newer windows versions)
[01:23] <Zelozelos> ZykoticK9, thank you sooo much man, you r a life saver ive been trying to fig this out for a while now, my windows system is a bust i need to do a lot of work to get it working right again
[01:26] <avis> how are todays updates doing ?
[01:27] <Zelozelos> avis there were updates today ? heh, guess i need to get em rofl
[01:27] <avis> i try not go guess.  i heard some people not being able to book a day or two ago
[01:27] <avis> boot
[01:28] <dtminsk_> Hey I am getting the following error in 10.04 "The disk drive for ext4 is not ready yet or not present"
[01:28] <dtminsk_> on boot I have to manually tell it to continue booting each time now
[01:28] <Zelozelos> holy cow i see 310 of them, now im a little worried rofl
[01:28] <avis> i'm hoping ubuntu-audio-dev is keeping up with the last kernel after -19 i lost sound in 20, and i think we maybe around 21 now
[01:28] <avis> Zelozelos, thats probably good news
[01:29] <avis> actually, i dont know for certain
[01:29] <avis> they are probably more serious about correcting things now
[01:29] <Zelozelos> which update is causing the boot issues, i wanna avoid it?
[01:29] <avis> ask those that have updated today, if they have any such issue
[01:29] <Zelozelos> anyone updated today?
[01:30] <dtminsk_> I am updating now, will this fix my ext4 error on boot
[01:30] <Zelozelos> dtminsk_ kewll lemme know how it goes ;)
[01:30] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, using the command "vlc movie.iso" worked correctly, using "mplayer movie.iso" showed the title screen but didn't play the video :( - but VLC certainly worked
[01:31] <Zelozelos> ZykoticK9 the same results i got
[01:31] <bjsnider> mplayer dvd://movie.iso
[01:32] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, using "mplayer dvd://movie.iso" didn't even show the title screen, get error about "could not open /dev/dvd..."
[01:33] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, using "mplayer dvd:///movie.iso" opened an mplayer window, but no video playback
[01:33] <bjsnider>  mplayer dvd://1 -dvd-device movie.iso
[01:35] <bjsnider> smplayer has a gui for this task
[01:35] <ZykoticK9> close, but not playing -- ac-tex damaged at 9 11 & Warning MVs not available (i don't think the iso dvd was created correctly to be honest, but vlc does play it)
[01:36] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, did "vlc $ISO.iso" work though?
[01:36] <Zelozelos> ZykoticK9 idk lemme give it a try
[01:37] <DanaG> argh, stupid kde systemsettings.. keeps segfaulting.
[01:37] <Zelozelos> so that command will be like vlc (location and name of the iso)?
[01:37] <bjsnider> ZykoticK9, try it with another title number
[01:38] <ZykoticK9> bjsnider, good thinking!  success with mplayer as well.  Was track 2.
[01:38] <bjsnider> coolio
[01:39] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, as well as vlc you could try "mplayer dvd://2 -dvd-device movie.iso"
[01:39] <Zelozelos> ok i will give that a try, brb i have to pottie break 1st
[01:40] <bjsnider> thanks for sharing that
[01:40] <ZykoticK9> TMI
[01:40] <bjsnider> it's unusual for the main movie to be title 2
[01:40] <dtminsk_> I have any chance of making hulu desktop run with a decent frame rate on a intel atom 1.6 ghz single core HT
[01:41] <bjsnider> usually the other titles are things like special features or menus
[01:41] <dtminsk_> if flash is up and all and its too choppy to use is that the way it is going to stay?
[01:41] <DanaG> argh, I've removed all the kde screensaver libs... and yet somehow systemsettings keeps crashing in trying to start the screensavers module.
[01:41] <UserA> Hello I am using the lucid mini.iso. When I try to do a cli only installation it does not find my network on a acer d250 netbook.
[01:42] <UserA> What are my options ?
[01:42] <UserA> I tried to alternative cd but it does not have the cli-only option.
[01:44] <DanaG> weird... the kde systemsettings "effects" list is entirely empty!
[01:46] <Zelozelos> ZykoticK9 umm no there was all kinds of cant do this/cant do that errors
[01:47] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, sorry if VLC and Mplayer aren't working then I really have no suggestions at all.  Good luck man.
[01:47] <Zelozelos> ZykoticK9, tok, i need to get my windows machine running agin anyhow, im just gonna do a re-flash of the os anyhow
[01:48] <Zelozelos> and thanks again for helping, yall have a good night
[01:49] <DanaG> back to gnome.
[01:52] <UserA> Can someone help me. I am trying to do a cli only installation but the mini.iso won't detect my network card.
[01:59] <ZykoticK9> Does anyone know what the story with medibuntu is?  I'm getting Unable to connect.
[01:59] <AngryPunk> https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/565810
[02:00] <ZykoticK9> AngryPunk, thanks
[02:00] <AngryPunk> np
[02:00] <UserA> Is there a cli only option with the alternate cd ?
[02:02] <ZykoticK9> UserA, are you sure to didn't download the LiveCD?  I thought the alternate cd was CLI only.
[02:03] <UserA> ZykoticK9, yeah it is not. I got help form #ubuntu had to hit f4
[02:05] <Laibcoms> yep, the altCD is just a gui-less installer, "DOS" style. (But much better than the LiveCD for PATA - SATA HDD combinations)
[02:15] <haz3lnut> terminal profile: can't save.  tried to create a terminal profile 3 times and it doesn't save.  Or it pretends to and when I reboot it is back to the default burgundy color.  Any ideas?
[02:15] <un214> Anybody know an appropriate workaround for https://bugs.launchpad.net/qemu/+bug/521994
[02:16] <haz3lnut> un214, yeah, but you might not like it :-)
[02:16] <un214> try me
[02:16] <haz3lnut> scratch win 98 and upgrade to something a little newer?
[02:16] <haz3lnut> :-)
[02:17] <Zelozelos> ZykoticK9 woohoow i got it heres what i did 1st i did this    sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /home/ggarron/dvd_video.iso /media/iso
[02:17] <un214> well since I'm running something so old that I had to upgrade to 95 just to get drivers ...
[02:17] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, NICE!  Glad you got it working :)
[02:18] <Zelozelos> then i used vlc to play a disk and opend the folder
[02:18] <Zelozelos> now i can get rid of all the stuff i installed trying to figure it out :)
[02:19] <haz3lnut> un214, you mean old hardware?
[02:19] <un214> no, old software
[02:19] <Zelozelos> ty again, it was the vlc suggestion that got me over the edge :))
[02:19] <haz3lnut> watcha runnin?
[02:19] <un214> "The Animals", win3.1 era educational software
[02:20] <haz3lnut> interesting, and it doesn't run on win xp?
[02:20] <Zelozelos> anyone do updates today with a working machine b4 the updates have any issues after the update?
[02:20] <un214> not well enough inside the emulation layer
[02:21] <haz3lnut> My wife is running an old win 3.1 billing software, and it runs great on wine.  Have you tried running "The Animals" on wine?
[02:21] <un214> that's a good idea qemu wine ...
[02:22] <un214> or maybe I can do w/o the qemu since this is x64
[02:22] <haz3lnut> right without qemu
[02:22] <un214> although the x86 personality has some bugs
[02:23] <Zelozelos> oh question though since i used "sudo mount -t iso9660 -o loop /home/ggarron/dvd_video.iso /media/iso" to mount the iso, will it unmount when i close the terminal or how do i unmount it?
[02:23] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, "sudo umount /media/iso"
[02:24] <Zelozelos> command not found
[02:25] <Zelozelos> OH its umount heh, not unmount rofl
[02:25] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, you got it :)
[02:25] <ZykoticK9> ZykoticK9, you spend a lot of time rolling on the floor ;)
[02:26] <haz3lnut> Trouble saving terminal profile. I tried to create a terminal profile 3 times and it doesn't save.  Or it pretends to and when I reboot it is back to the default burgundy color.  Any ideas?
[02:27] <MTeck-ricer> Why is plymouth mandatory? If it only provides the boot splash it seems like clutter that isn't really needed..
[02:27] <Zelozelos> ahaa found an easier way, just open a root filebrowser and right-click the iso and click eject, it errors on the eject part, but it umounts :)
[02:28] <Zelozelos> now ill just make a couple of scripts and im on my way woohoo
[02:28] <Zelozelos> later gaters
[02:29] <un214> "Video for windows drivers not installed" Now that's going to be entertaining
[02:31] <Zelozelos> heh whats that command again that will show the full current path the terminal is in again?
[02:32] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, pwd
[02:32] <Zelozelos> thanks again
[02:32] <un214> not gonna work -- depends on w3.1 kernel drivres
[02:34] <haz3lnut> un214, did you try to load win 98 on virtualbox?
[02:35] <un214> that's a new one
[02:35] <un214> let's see what that does
[02:35] <xiambax> How can i get glx working on my ati card?
[02:38] <haz3lnut> Alright, I'll ask a different way.  Where is the gnome-terminal profile stored, and why would my profile not be save?
[02:40] <un214> well let's find out if the karmic package works on lucid
[02:42] <gsp2009> hello all.. anyone hav any troubles and or success in getting sound to work on lucid
[02:43] <xiambax> My sound works fine
[02:43] <haz3lnut> un214: it does.
[02:43] <xiambax> Im using songbird in 10.04. Works fine
[02:44] <gsp2009> ugh... I have been trying all day... no joy..
[02:44] <xiambax> Have you opened your sound config
[02:45] <xiambax> and set it to stereo audio
[02:45] <xiambax> might be a duplex thing
[02:45] <xiambax> I recall having to change it maybe
[02:45] <xiambax> Was glitchy at first.
[02:45] <gsp2009> xiambax: yeah.. tried that too.
[02:45] <xiambax> Also rhythmbox doesnt play well with my 200 gig music library
[02:45] <gsp2009> xiambax: you mean in alsamixer?
[02:45] <xiambax> So i just use songbird now
[02:46] <xiambax> No.
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> Wasent Songbird dropping its official Linux support.
[02:46] <xiambax> Open your sound settings via gnome
[02:46] <xiambax> Naw. Dr_Willis, I downloaded the binary for songbird from getsongbird
[02:46] <xiambax> works fine
[02:47] <xiambax> The UI Looks really good with ubuntu 10.04 too
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> Yes  It works.. but linux support for it - is going over to 'community' support.
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/songbird-linux-support-discontinued.html
[02:47] <demism> how do you remove a package you installed, its dependencies and any directories it created? Also, know of any hacks I can run when installing a package to keep all that info handy or is there a log kept?
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> demism:  i saw some tweak tool i THINK that kept some extra info on that procedure.. but i cant recall where i saw it at..
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> i was going to testit out and never did
[02:48] <Wings> Hey guys.
[02:48] <xiambax> I think it should be supported
[02:48] <Wings> I want to install Amazon MP3 downloader.
[02:48] <xiambax> Works great
[02:48] <xiambax> Now if i could get my radion card to work.
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> Ailurus - i Think had that feature
[02:48] <Wings> but it won't let me as it can't satisfy a dependency for libboost-*1.34.1
[02:49] <Wings> I've installed 1.40 which hasn't helped.
[02:49] <Wings> but it's the only version available.
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> Ailurus helps you keep track of what software you have installed/removed. If you often try to use new software, you do not have to worry about messing up your system now.
[02:49] <Loki> Hallo. I am using beta2, and I am trying to find gma500 drivers, but I can't find any info on it save for 9.10
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> ailurus has some sort of 'snapshot' feature - you an use befor you install somthing. and it some how makes it easier to remove the stuff later.. I guess
[02:50] <xiambax> http://i44.tinypic.com/fjl0qx.png My Songbird Screenshot
[02:50] <demism> Does all the ubuntu configuration parallel that of debian's?
[02:51] <Wings> demism: there are differences, but in general yes
[02:53] <markbaas> hi, i installed beta2 and empathy icon nicely in the indicator-applet. I updated the 16th, and now empathy icon in the notification-applet again
[02:53] <Loki> o.o
[02:53] <Loki> Guess thats a no xD
[02:53] <markbaas> has this been an intentional change or something is wrong
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> Theres been all sort of quirks lately
[02:54] <markbaas> can I fix this manually, or are they going to fix this before the release?
[02:54] <un214> you wanna know quirk?
[02:55] <markbaas> what?
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> un214:  yesterday i had GDM KDM and LXDM all startup  at boot time. :)
[02:55] <Loki> Hallo. I am using beta2, and I am trying to find gma500 drivers, but I can't find any info on it save for <9.10
[02:55] <Dr_Willis> that was a weird.. quirk
[02:55] <un214> yeah that's quirk
[02:55] <un214> notifications with buttons have unreadable buttons (white on white) due to accessability themes installed
[02:56] <un214> I don't even know who to blame
[02:56] <markbaas> but it is not a theme thing
[02:57] <un214> Anybody know how to reinstall install grub2 files?
[02:57] <un214> I managed to hose the files
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> chroot in, sudo update-grub
[02:58] <un214> update-grub script is what's broken
[02:58] <Dr_Willis> if you use a live cd. you can do it from there with the proper options also
[02:58] <ZykoticK9> Suggestion on xchat icon disappearing from notification area (has been happening on/off since alpha)
[02:58] <un214> uhhh, I can boot system, update-grub script is busted, needs component reinstalled
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> Hmm  apt-get reinstall grub-pc    perhaps?
[02:59] <Dr_Willis> ive rarely had to reinstall things
[03:00] <haz3lnut> I think that would be "apt-get install --reinstall grub"
[03:00] <un214> it was apt-get --reinstall install grub-pc
[03:00] <un214> Dr_Willis gave a close enough answer for me to find the right one
[03:00] <haz3lnut> ok grub-pc
[03:01] <markbaas> so, for everybody empathy now appears in notification area instead of indication applet
[03:04] <haz3lnut> Alright, scratch my last question about gnome-terminal.  New Question...
[03:05] <haz3lnut> Why would my ~/.gconf/apps/gnome-terminal directory be owned by root?
[03:05] <un214> sudo gnome-terminal might do that to you
[03:05] <haz3lnut> No wonder I can't save my profile!
[03:06] <haz3lnut> I don't recall doing that.
[03:06] <un214> and people wonder why I don't do sudo
[03:06] <xiambax> pft. im logged in as root at all times
[03:06] <un214> so am I, separate session only used when wanted
[03:07] <haz3lnut> anyone know what nm-applet is?
[03:07] <xiambax> Im kidding
[03:07] <xiambax> im never logged in as root
[03:07] <xiambax> thats just silly
[03:07] <agronholm> nm-applet = network manager applet
[03:07] <haz3lnut> nm-applet is also owned by root
[03:07] <un214> I'm not. Ctrl-Alt-F1 yields a # prompt
[03:09] <un214> what bugs me the most are the live CDs that requrie sudo for root. There's zero point to requiring sudo if the password is blank, and there's zero point to requiring sudo on a live cd anyway.
[03:09] <haz3lnut> should ~/.gconf/apps/nm-applet be owned by root?
[03:10] <un214> I hope not
[03:10] <bjsnider> root should now own userland files
[03:10] <bjsnider> not
[03:10] <un214> that sounds like a security hole big enough to drive a truck through otherwise.
[03:11] <haz3lnut> I didn't think so.  I'm just wondering why/how those files got owned by root.
[03:12] <un214> alll right who took -e away from nc?
[03:13] <ZykoticK9> haz3lnut, be sure to NEVER use sudo for a GUI command, use gksu instead
[03:14] <haz3lnut> didn't realize sudo took ownership of userland files.  When I sudo $HOME becomes /root
[03:18] <haz3lnut> ZykoticK9, I have used sudo for gui commands for years.  hmmm, never realized it was an issue.
[03:20] <Colonel-Rosa> haz3lnut, sudo has it's own environment settings
[03:20] <Colonel-Rosa> check the sudoers file for more
[03:20] <TommyThaGun> has anyone tried Kubuntu 10.4?
[03:24] <ZykoticK9> !gksu > haz3lnut
[03:25] <xiambax> I get "SystemError: install Archives() failed" when trying to activate fglrx
[03:25] <xiambax> Can someone assist?
[03:28] <c0vert> anyone else have issues with external usb drives staying around as ghosts?
[03:30] <c0vert> even on a terminal sudo umount /dev/sde1 just hangs
[03:31] <ZykoticK9> c0vert, you don't umount device you umount the mount point!
[03:31] <un214> umount device gets auto-fixed if the device is only mounted one place
[03:32] <haz3lnut> thanks ZykoticK9, I'll read into it.
[03:33] <c0vert> ZykoticK9, i didn't think it mattered
[03:33] <c0vert> and judging by the hanging still happening, i don't think it does :P
[03:33] <ZykoticK9> c0vert, well if what un214 says it true, perhaps it doesn't
[03:34] <yeason> I'm trying to get 10.04 installed either next to my win 7 partition or as a wubi install. Both ways basically result in the same thing. Either my hard drive doesn't show up at all (full install) or I get the "No root file system is defined" (wubi). Can anyone lend a hand?
[03:34] <c0vert> it's actually ghost mounted to 4 places right now
[03:37] <Wings> alright, disregard my previous request for help
[03:37] <Wings> I found the music I wanted on CDbaby instead so I don't need the Amazon MP3 downloader yet
[03:38] <xiambax> Woes is me and my Radeon HD
[03:41] <xiambax> Im about to go phyco dog man on my video card
[03:43] <TommyThaGun> what is desktopcouch-service, and why do I have 4 of them running
[03:44] <ZykoticK9> TommyThaGun, it's related to empathy/memenu or something
[03:44] <ZykoticK9> TommyThaGun, actually sorry, think it's a gwibber/memenu thing
[03:45] <TommyThaGun> oh ok
[03:54] <DanaG> Heh, best thing about coding on a 64-bit host: it forces me to make code that works for 64-bit. =þ
[03:58] <TommyThaGun> !plymouth
[03:58] <TommyThaGun> what exactly is the purpose of plymouth?
[03:59] <DanaG> It shows a splash screen... unless you have a serial console, in which case, no splash for youuuuuuuuu.
[03:59] <TommyThaGun> I don't have a serial console, but I have yet to see a spash screen
[04:00] <TommyThaGun> isn't plymouth supposed to be more than just a splash screen though? doesn't it do something with the boot process?
[04:00] <TommyThaGun> or am I mistaken?
[04:00] <DanaG> I think it does something with the logging, as well.
[04:01] <DanaG> Handy hint: a poorly-documented option:
[04:01] <DanaG> add "plymouth:debug" to what grub passes to the kernel.
[04:01] <DanaG> Then it'll give you plymouth debug output.
[04:01] <TommyThaGun> huh?
[04:02] <TommyThaGun> add that line to grub?
[04:03] <DanaG> !grub
[04:03] <DanaG> !grub2
[04:27] <litropy> I'm attempting to open picasa for the first time after installing using the guide at http://www.google.com/linuxrepositories/scripted.html and get the following output: http://pastebin.com/11tyM1Md
[04:27] <litropy> system info is in the paste
[04:28] <litropy> Is there a picasa or google related chan I could try?
[04:35] <sinistrad> This is on Lucid?
[04:38] <caravena> =) happy with ubuntu lucid beta
[04:39] <DankNugs> Hey, I'm wondering if someone could help me walk through some steps to figure out why my boot screen is blank after grub loads kernel
[04:40] <DankNugs> A few days ago, the latest build of lucid was working great. THen after a few updates, I can't get to gdm. It shows loading screen, goes blank. Doesn't respond to ctrl+alt+f# keys
[04:41] <DankNugs> It's still running, can ssh in. I'm trying to read dmesg and the kernel logs. The only thing the kernel log has is the fatal error over the padlock. which is a known issue
[04:43] <DankNugs> k guess i'll poke around manpages and keep an eye on the chan
[04:43] <Aji-Dahaka> y'all may not know the answer, but I have a dell n-series with ubuntu.  I tried an upgrade just when I got the machine and it rendered the machine unbootable (this would be last week Wednesday or so).  Does Dell support upgrading to the new versions?  (I will ask Dell if you don't know, but figured I would check)
[04:52] <DankNugs> So no one else has been having blank boot screens, without ever getting to gdm?
[04:58] <_blackwater_> where has /boot/grub/menu.lst gone?
[04:59] <markl_> new grub version uses grub.cfg
[04:59] <markl_> different format too
[05:00] <_blackwater_> markl_ thank you found it
[05:00] <DankNugs> You guys have any clue why I'd get a blank screen after grub load?
[05:01] <DankNugs> shows ubuntu splash, doesn't hit gdm. just blanks, no keyboard response. can ssh in.
[05:01] <DankNugs> dmesg has nothing out of extraordinary other than padlock issue.
[05:01] <magevid> hey all, for some reason when i play a dvd after about 10 minutes or so it errors saying "could not read from resource" using totem and i'm fully updates with libdvdcss installed
[05:02] <dtminsk_> beta 2 won't boot for me
[05:02] <dtminsk_> it seems to be doing a looping disk check
[05:02] <dtminsk_> beta 1 worked great
[05:03] <dtminsk_> anyone have ideas on how to fix?
[05:03] <dtminsk_> :(
[05:03] <DanaG> /etc/default/grub
[05:11] <DanaG> something weird: when I valgrind something that segfaults, valgrind segfaults... and then apport offers to report a bug in valgrind.
[05:11] <DanaG> I don't expect valgrind not to segfault... but apport shouldn't offer bug reports for valgrinding programs in home dir.
[05:13] <DankNugs> Jeez. I'm going to have to get a thesarus.
[05:20] <dtminsk_> sorry where you trying to mention a workaround DanaG
[05:21] <DanaG> say what?  no, I'm talking about my own issue.
[05:21] <dtminsk_> ohh I am trying to find out how to unbrick a beta 2 upgrade
[05:21] <DankNugs> you and i both dtm
[05:22] <DankNugs> but at least i'm able to mount the fs in recovery mode, i suppose
[05:22] <dtminsk_> it looks like it keeps running disk check in the backround while it displays the new loading screen with the dots
[05:22] <dtminsk_> how do I do that
[05:23] <dtminsk_> trying to make grub show up....
[05:23] <DankNugs> reboot the computer, hold shift down right after bios post
[05:23] <DankNugs> it's grub2 now apparently, been standard since 9.10
[05:23] <DankNugs> manpage revealed that
[05:23] <DankNugs> From there, I was actually able to get into recovery mode instead of ssh from another console
[05:24] <DankNugs> ut nothing odd pops out in kernel or demsg other than the padlock issue
[05:24] <dtminsk_> ssh is not coming up for me
[05:24] <dtminsk_> found the grub boot list
[05:25] <dtminsk_> if I hit command and a letter I get the message
[05:25] <dtminsk_> fcsk from util-linux-ng 2.17.2
[05:27] <dtminsk_> same thing in recovery mode
[05:27] <dtminsk_> what is the differnce between the different boot versions
[05:29] <dtminsk_> I did the upgrade over nx remote desktop
[05:29] <dtminsk_> was that causing the issue?
[05:29] <DankNugs> what recovery mode? It allows you a variety of options. i just use it to drop into root console since it freezes before i'm ever able to get into gdm.
[05:30] <dtminsk_> how do I do that
[05:31] <dtminsk_> I don't really care about GDM anyways
[05:31] <DankNugs> I'm p much a newbie here mang. I'm just trying to figure out how to get gdm back up and running, stop screen from going blank and hanging.
[05:31] <dtminsk_> just the smb and ssh sever
[05:31] <DankNugs> I find if you have questions, just use manpages. it's throughly detailed. helped me a lot so far.
[05:31] <dtminsk_> I don't ever get to a terminal screen
[05:31] <DankNugs> Ok. When you reboot your console, hold down the shift key after your BIOS POST
[05:32] <DankNugs> until GRUB comes up, you'll have a menu that will allow you to go into recovery mode for your current kernel
[05:32] <DankNugs> shift activates the grub menu now, they shifted to grub2 as the default in 9.10 from what i've read.
[05:33] <dtminsk_> okay then what
[05:33] <DankNugs> You have an option to drop into a root shell with your fs mounted, and grep the logs. Which is what i'm working on as I type.
[05:34] <dtminsk_> drop into the grub shell?
[05:35] <DankNugs> yeah, you'll have root shell access
[05:36] <DankNugs> Figure out what's going on. That's the point. Read. Lots of reading of logs and asking questions. Fun times.
[05:36] <dtminsk_> how do I mount and read the disk?
[05:37] <dtminsk_> I think I may reinstall when the full version comes out
[05:37] <voss749> dtm, I just had a terrible mental image when you talked about mounting the disk ;-)
[05:37] <DankNugs> .. If you hold shift key down for 2-4 seconds, right after the BIOS Post, that will make the grub menu show up.
[05:37] <dtminsk_> yeah I can see that
[05:37] <DankNugs> It will give you an option to boot your kernel normally, or go into recovery mode. One of the options in recovery mode is dropping you into a networked root shell.
[05:37] <DankNugs> Then you just grep the logs and find out why it's hanging.
[05:38] <dtminsk_> recovery mode for me crashes just the same
[05:38] <DankNugs> That's above my head. I'd try google if no one responds in here.
[05:39] <dtminsk_> I only upgraded to the beta which was working stable till now because other version of ubuntu have a crashing GUI for me
[05:39] <dtminsk_> grr
[05:39] <DankNugs> That's beta for ya. The fun part is figuring out why it does it
[05:39] <DankNugs> and to see if you can fix it before someone else does.
[05:40] <voss749> dtm, are you running wired or wireless?
[05:40] <dtminsk_> its wired
[05:40] <voss749> Dank, you might just want to go back one version of the kernel
[05:41] <dtminsk_> go grub do that?
[05:41] <DankNugs> That's what I've been thinking, but the kernel log shows nothing out of the ordinary.
[05:41] <DankNugs> other than the padlock error
[05:41] <voss749> Dank, just go back from 21 to 20 and see if that fixes your problem
[05:41] <bp0> why isn't there a partimage package for amd64 lucid?
[05:42] <DankNugs> worth a shot.
[05:42] <voss749> Dank, it wont hurt anything I dont think
[05:43] <dtminsk_> my box is straight online to a public IP wired
[05:43] <ZykoticK9> bp0, no idea - but what's really strange is there is a package for the documentation?  strange.
[05:43] <bp0> yeah, i noticed that
[05:44] <voss749> Zyktotic, I tried to find virus debs to run on my maching but couldnt find any, then I tried to run viruses under WINE...no luck ;-)
[05:46] <ZykoticK9> voss749, are you directing that at me?  if so, why?  And *WHY* are you trying to run viruses on wine - i've read that most don't work however.
[05:46] <voss749> Zykotic, you missed the winky face ;-)
[05:47] <voss749> I was being funny
[05:51] <peepsalot> hey folks, I just started an update to lucid, and distribution upgrade is telling me that support has ended for a number of packages.  does this mean they are no longer in the ubuntu repos?
[05:53] <ZykoticK9> peepsalot, probably - do you know any examples of the packages?
[05:54] <NinoScript> What file system is good for handling only big files? (5 or 10GB movies + all my music, that is, no tiny files for configurations and such)
[05:55] <peepsalot> ZykoticK9, bluetooth, compiz-fusion-plugins-extra, glchess, glines, gnect, gnibbles, gnobots, gnome-pilot, gnome-pilot-conduits, gnotravex, it keeps going, but i'm getting tired of listing them all
[05:56] <peepsalot> gnumeric, gthumb and xsane are a few that I actually use
[05:56] <ZykoticK9> peepsalot, up to and including glchess those all exist in Lucid
[05:56] <peepsalot> hmm
[05:57] <ZykoticK9> peepsalot, gnobots is the first that's missing
[05:59] <ZykoticK9> peepsalot, of the ones you listed gnobots is the only non-Lucid package i found, so i'm not sure why you are getting the missing message(s)
[06:05] <peepsalot> oh, i bet it just means they were moved from main to universe repos
[06:05] <ZykoticK9> peepsalot, umm that is very possible!
[06:07] <ibkanat> anyone know how to tweak the mouse speed apart from the preferences panel? Mine is way too fast for 3d work
[06:08] <ibkanat> seems like such a basic thing to have so screwed up
[06:37] <joppan> hi
[06:55] <bullgard4> Synaptic Lucid: "Plymouth is an application that tuns very early in the boot process (even before the root filesystem is mounted) that provides a graphical boot animation while the boot process happens in the background." 'tuns' is a typo. What is the correct English word?
[06:56] <sinistrad> runs
[06:57] <bullgard4> sinistrad: Thank you very much for your help.
[06:57] <Tryptographer> how do I remap the caps lock key to the Return key in such a way that it sticks when I shift between qwerty and dvorak. I don't want to have to run xmodmap every time.
[06:57] <sinistrad> np
[06:57] <sinistrad> I'm glad to have been some use to someone =)
[06:58] <bullgard4> sinistrad: :-)
[07:00] <sinistrad> Tryptographer, you'll not find quite as much activity as you found in #ubuntu. I don't know the answer. It sounds more like a general ubuntu problem, unless it works like you want in Karmic
[07:01] <Ken8521> whats his question?
[07:01] <Tryptographer> Ken8521: turn the caps lock key into another Return key across keyboard layouts in lucid/karmic/sebastopol's main gui without much wrist-wringing
[07:01] <Tryptographer> I get really tired of having to xmodmap things every time.
[07:02] <Ken8521> hmm, not sure on that one, never tried it.. and really dont' mess w/ keyboard customization.
[07:05] <bullgard4> Synaptic: "The DEB program package »soprano-daemon« contains the Soprano daemon, D-Bus service, parser plugins, and a storage plugin for the Redland RDF Application Framework." What does 'RDF' stand for?
[07:06] <sinistrad> I'd pop in a karmic disc and try it.  If the problem persists, then it is a general problem. You were told to come in here because this is where Lucid problems go
[07:06] <Tryptographer> resource description framework, I believe
[07:09] <jbuncher> anyone else having issues iwth medibuntu today?
[07:10] <ZykoticK9> jbuncher, see bug #565810
[07:11] <jbuncher> thx ZykoticK9
[07:13] <bullgard4> Tryptographer: Thank you very much for your help.
[07:13] <Tryptographer> np
[07:16] <vivid> anyone having a bug with indicator-applet, where it lists 'Contacts' and 'Compose New Message' multiple times? seems like another duplicate entry is added to the menu any time i use evolution
[07:20] <vivid> happens specifically every time i close evolution
[07:28] <KnifeySpooney> Hi, i've been having a problem lately where Xorg is using swap instead of using my RAM. I had 750mb/1000mb of RAM available, but instead it was using 500mb/600mb of my swap. When I ran Firefox, the program was killed because my computer apparently ran out of memory. Anybody else having this issue?
[07:29] <KnifeySpooney> p.s. I killed and restarted Xorg and the comp stopped thrashing
[07:36] <lucas-arg> do we have fingerprint support in lucid?
[07:39] <napster> Can anyone help me with ubuntu reinstallation using an alternate CD ?
[07:41] <ardchoille> The 10.04 livecd won't get into a desktop session and the alternate install cd produces a system that freezes prior to gdm. Is this a known issue? How do I solve it?
[07:41] <Blue11> napster: what issues / questions do you have?
[07:41] <napster> Blue11, I've distro upgraded my karmic to Lucid
[07:41] <Blue11> napster: I have found upgrades to be problematic --
[07:41] <napster> Blue11, Me too at the moment
[07:42] <Blue11> ardchoille: you might be able to mount the disc with the live cd, and then chroot to it, and run update...
[07:42] <napster> Blue11, I like to do a fresh installation using an alternate disk I've
[07:42] <Blue11> napster: I backup /etc/ and /home/ and always do a fresh install
[07:43] <napster> Blue11, yes, the problem is I've a set of launcpad data in the home folder
[07:43] <Blue11> napster: you should be able to do that, although to be honest, I haven't used the alternate cd since 9.04
[07:43] <ardchoille> Blue11: what would that accomplish? I'm using the livecd/alternatecd that was downloaded today
[07:43] <Blue11> napster: what do you mean?
[07:43] <napster> Blue11, I also had normal installation disk
[07:43] <napster> Blue11, I mean like branches, PGP keys
[07:44] <Blue11> ardchoille: oops - I used the alphacd from about a month ago when I did it over
[07:44] <ardchoille> ok
[07:45] <Blue11> ardchoille: I am sorry that is the only thing I can suggest - and if you have the latest -- I did note that I had a freeze up earler today - I nuked the .gconf files, and restarted -- all was well then - I've had to do this several times over the course of the last several weeks --
[07:46] <Blue11> napster: I am sorry I don't have enough knowledge on pgp and all that...
[07:46] <napster> Blue11, ok np thanks mate...
[07:49] <ardchoille> Blue11: if the .gconf files are copied from the system and I never used the system due to the freeze.. what good would it do to nuke the .gconf files and upon reboot they are placed as if I didn't nuke them? I mean I haven't been able to use the system so the .gconf files should be in the default state.
[07:50] <barbaric> ok, so I was playing with new plymouth themes. Somehow that broke suspend (lucid 64). any ideas?	
[07:51] <barbaric> or, I assume it broke suspend, because it was working fine until I messed with plymouth today
[07:52] <barbaric> if I suspend, when I resume the screen is just white flashes and flickers - even ctrl-alt-f1 just goes black, no command line
[07:52] <Blue11> ardchoille: well mine get corrupted in my home directory, so I nuke them, and let the system re-create them.
[07:52] <ardchoille> Blue11: Will try that, thanks
[07:53] <Blue11> ardchoille: one last question
[07:53] <ardchoille> ok
[07:53] <Blue11> ardchoille: did you do an upgrade, or a fresh install?
[07:53] <ardchoille> fresh install, I never do upgrades
[07:53] <Blue11> ardchoille: good for you!
[07:53] <ardchoille> :)
[07:53]  * Blue11 applauds ardchoille
[07:54] <ardchoille> Well, this is freezing prior to gdm so corrupt .gconf files isn'tthe problem
[07:54] <ardchoille> It freezes at the ubuntu logo with the five dots below it
[07:55] <Blue11> ardchoille: hmmm
[07:55] <ardchoille> I'm thinking a kernel issue, but I could be wrong
[07:55] <Blue11> let me see what I am running here
[07:56] <Blue11> Linux Phoenix 2.6.32-21-generic #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:10:02 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[07:56] <Blue11> that's only 2 days old --
[07:57] <ardchoille> Are they updating stuff daily? I mean would this problem be gone by final release?
[07:57] <Blue11> yeah I have been running updates daily
[07:58] <ardchoille> I could just try downloading the final release after the 29th and try again I suppose
[07:58] <Blue11> like I said, I installed the alpha from several weeks ago, and that worked --
[07:58] <ardchoille> lucky
[07:58] <Blue11> but things get broken
[07:59] <KnifeySpooney> yeah - I installed an alpha which worked perfectly but now Xorg sometimes crashes for me
[07:59] <KnifeySpooney> but another issue got fixed that was in the alpha
[07:59] <Blue11> ardchoille: whoa - I did an update earlier today, and there are 34 new updates, in say 16 hours time
[07:59] <ardchoille> Blue11: oh, wow
[07:59] <LordKow> this install was initially a hardy daily livecd between alpha 2 and 3. been upgrading since :)
[07:59] <ardchoille> Perhaps I'll chroot in like you said and try updating
[08:00] <LordKow> of course, there was a lot of config modifying and un-breaking involved.
[08:00] <Blue11> ardchoille: new bash, and a lotta open office stuff
[08:00] <KnifeySpooney> I saw some display drivers get updated
[08:00] <KnifeySpooney> about twenty minutes ago when I updated
[08:00] <ardchoille> KnifeySpooney: That could be it
[08:00] <KnifeySpooney> what make is your gpu?
[08:01] <Blue11> ancient!
[08:01] <ardchoille> nvidia GeForce 6200+ here, but the default system should use the nv driver and it wouldn't be an issue
[08:01] <Blue11> ardchoille: nivida is pretty well supported - ati not so much
[08:01] <KnifeySpooney> ah okay. my brother's computer uses a geforce 6600 and it works fine
[08:01] <LordKow> isnt it nouveau by default now?
[08:02] <KnifeySpooney> scratch that, he's still on karmic
[08:02] <ardchoille> LordKow: shouldn't be, that would be a huge mistake IMHO, should still be nv
[08:02] <LordKow> oh
[08:02] <barbaric> I was playing with new plymouth themes. Somehow that broke suspend (lucid 64). any ideas?	
[08:02] <barbaric> little help?
[08:02] <Blue11> i have an nvidia 6150 on my 64 bit system (9.10)
[08:03] <ardchoille> i wouldn't think they'd go with such a new nvidia driver to replace the nv on an LTS
[08:03] <Blue11> barbaric: yeha don't futz with plymouth seems to have broken a lot of people's system
[08:03] <ardchoille> What is plymouth?
[08:04] <KnifeySpooney> ardchoille: plymouth is the new boot splash project
[08:04] <KnifeySpooney> the logo with five dots underneath
[08:04] <Blue11> plymouth is the new splash screen manger for booting
[08:04] <barbaric> dunno what it is, per se, but it lets me change the bootsplash
[08:04] <LordKow> http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2#New%20default%20open%20source%20driver%20for%20nVidia%20hardware
[08:04] <ardchoille> KnifeySpooney: that is exactly where I'm having this problem
[08:04] <LordKow> nouveau is default in lucid as of alpha 3 i think
[08:04] <ardchoille> LordKow: I can't believe they did that on an LTS
[08:04] <KnifeySpooney> ardchoille: i'm not sure if plymouth is anything other than the graphical side of things. could be something happening other than plymouth
[08:04] <KnifeySpooney> try booting without splash?
[08:05] <ardchoille> KnifeySpooney: good point
[08:05] <barbaric> if i try to remove plymouth, it takes out all kinds of system critical stuff
[08:05] <barbaric> sigh
[08:05] <barbaric> dont futz with it...
[08:05] <Blue11> yeah it suxeth yea verily
[08:06] <ardchoille> I have been using Ubuntu since 2005 and have never had to futz with anything.. it's always "just worked".
[08:06] <barbaric> sure, but how can you resist playing with/adding new eye candy that you see here and there?
[08:06] <ardchoille> Of course I build my own computers from parts that I already know work with Ubuntu
[08:06] <barbaric> not sure if that counts as futzing
[08:07] <Blue11> no playing with plymouth counts as futzing
[08:07] <ardchoille> I don't use eye candy, waste of system resources IMHO
[08:07] <ardchoille> oh well, I'll try again later
[08:07] <Blue11> ardchoille: actually compiz uses the gpu and so some of that is offload to video processing
[08:07] <Blue11> but I am a plain jane guy and and quite content with metacity
[08:07] <barbaric> i don't care for compiz, but i liked the new animated bootsplashes
[08:07] <KnifeySpooney> my system is almost never at full processing so eyecandy is a free bonus. might as well use the power for something
[08:07] <ardchoille> yeah, I hate compiz.. it's going bye bye when Ubuntu 10.10 comes out, you know that right?
[08:08] <Blue11> ardchoille: no I had not heard
[08:08] <KnifeySpooney> I hadn't heard either
[08:08] <barbaric> me neither
[08:08] <Blue11> ardchoille: any idea why the changed the button location to the left?
[08:08] <ardchoille> gnome 3 uses gnome-shell, can't use an alternate window manager with gnome shell
[08:08] <ardchoille> Blue11: nope, but it's easy to set the buttons back to the right, use gconf-editor
[08:09] <KnifeySpooney> Blue11: Shuttleworth wants to put some experimental buttons on the right-hand side
[08:09] <KnifeySpooney> Blue11: I don't know why they couldn't leave the buttons on the right and put new buttons on the left, but oh well
[08:09] <barbaric> Blue11 or just switch the theme to whatever you like, most of them have the old button position
[08:09] <LordKow> that was the first change i reverted.
[08:09] <Blue11> KnifeySpooney: yeah I know how to fix, the question is why did they change it?
[08:09] <KnifeySpooney> All of the themes except the radiance and ambiance themes should have buttons on the right
[08:09] <ardchoille> LordKow: :)
[08:10] <KnifeySpooney> Blue11: Shuttleworth wants some new buttons
[08:10] <Blue11> LordKow: same
[08:10] <ardchoille> Blue11: Shuttleworth wants to play with the right side
[08:10] <LordKow> so more than 3 buttons?
[08:10] <KnifeySpooney> Blue11: some people are speculating that he'll put a Pin button, and possible a "next workspace" button
[08:10] <KnifeySpooney> yeah.
[08:10] <ardchoille> There's talk of one "master button" that does everything the normal three do and more
[08:10] <barbaric> or Shuttle wants to woo over some of the mac users
[08:10] <LordKow> lets just encompass the entire window border with buttons
[08:10] <KnifeySpooney> haha
[08:10] <Blue11> who/whom is shuttle?
[08:10] <ardchoille> haha
[08:10] <KnifeySpooney> No wait
[08:10] <KnifeySpooney> Let's put the buttons on the side
[08:10] <LordKow> each corner
[08:11] <KnifeySpooney> Blue11: shuttleworth is the previous CEO
[08:11] <ardchoille> Blue11: Mark Shuttleworth, found of Canonical
[08:11] <coz_> Blue11,  mark shuttleworth... the creator and leader of ubuntu :)
[08:11] <KnifeySpooney> main backer behind canonical
[08:11] <Blue11> oh that @$$
[08:11] <ardchoille> sabdfl on irc
[08:12] <ardchoille> s/irc/freenode/
[08:12] <Blue11> i know in 10.10 they will start reporting filesize, etc in decimal
[08:12] <KnifeySpooney> Blue11: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabdfl
[08:12] <barbaric> when is the next lts (after lucid of course)?
[08:12] <KnifeySpooney> every 3 years?
[08:13] <KnifeySpooney> 3 releases*
[08:13] <KnifeySpooney> so 1.5 years after this one, 11.10
[08:13] <KnifeySpooney> unless the timing changes
[08:13] <barbaric> maybe that's why they went with noveau now - because for a lot of users it will be three years before the next big upgrade
[08:13] <barbaric> it's kinda new now, but will be ancient in 3 years
[08:13] <ardchoille> barbaric: that could very well be
[08:14] <KnifeySpooney> i meant 1.5 years not 3
[08:14] <LordKow> KnifeySpooney: every 2 years = 4 releases
[08:14] <Blue11> manical menance
[08:14] <ardchoille> haha
[08:14] <barbaric> ah, 2 years.  still, a long time in linux time
[08:14] <barbaric> i upgraded from hardy, and man that felt like an old distro
[08:15] <KnifeySpooney> hardy was my first distro :D
[08:15] <KnifeySpooney> of any linux
[08:15] <Blue11> suse was my first distro
[08:15] <ardchoille> Dapper is still the best single release in Ubuntu history, IMHO
[08:15] <Tryptographer> rh 4, back in 96.
[08:15] <barbaric> fedora 8
[08:15] <ardchoille> debian in 2001 for me
[08:15]  * Tryptographer misses sparcstation 20s.
[08:15] <Blue11> if novell wasn't on the skids, I'd still be running suse
[08:15] <Blue11> suse 10 had to be the worst
[08:16] <Blue11> no 11.1 was the worst
[08:16] <ardchoille> ok, thanks for the info folks.. will try again later. Have a good day :)
[08:16] <Blue11> ardchoille: cheers
[08:17] <Blue11> my -- people come and go so quickly here.
[08:17]  * barbaric remembers trying linspire first (for about 20 minutes)
[08:17] <barbaric> then never touched linux again till fedora 8
[08:18] <Tryptographer> I stopped using windows on machines that I've had personal control over since 96.
[08:18] <KnifeySpooney> I would have adopted linux from hardy, but I was extremely new to it and my wireless adapter didn't work. long story ( http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=901818 )
[08:18] <barbaric> wow.  that reminds me - i applied for an office job a while back - they tested us real quickly on how well we know MS office and excel
[08:19] <barbaric> i had been using OO exclusively forever
[08:19] <barbaric> still passed though
[08:19]  * barbaric pats self on back
[08:19] <smokex> network performance on 10.4 seems to be very slow...
[08:19] <smokex> atheros card
[08:19] <KnifeySpooney> barbaric: Nice job :) office is neat to work with but I use OO just to "stick it to the man"
[08:20] <smokex> at first i thoght it was misconfigured router or something but... i dual boot and the windows install still performs normally
[08:20] <Tryptographer> the one, generally nonnegotiable issue I have with os's is that I have have have to have the caps lock key remapped as return.
[08:20] <KnifeySpooney> smokex: Did you compile your own wireless driver? I had an issue like that because I compiled my driver incorrectly
[08:20] <barbaric> KnifeySpooney - I think they didn't expect too much.  I use OO.o 'cause I don't pirate
[08:21] <barbaric> or, i should say, started using it because of that
[08:21] <barbaric> now I just use it by default
[08:21] <KnifeySpooney> ah, Office '07 comes installed on the school computers, so i'm stuck using those where I do most of my typing
[08:22] <KnifeySpooney> thank god OO.o can export as docx
[08:22] <barbaric> ah.  what's with that?  Does MS pay schools to use Office, etc?
[08:22] <smokex> nope just a carmic upgrade
[08:23] <smokex> the ati driver is performing quite nicely btw
[08:23] <smokex> karmic
[08:23] <barbaric> KS: that gets all students accustomed to using that, so when they go out and do whatever they do, all their experience will have been in MS products
[08:23] <KnifeySpooney> barbaric: I hope not. I have Firefox on my flash drive because so many sites fail on the school's IE6
[08:24] <smokex> vanilla karmic install upgraded about a week later to lucid
[08:24] <KnifeySpooney> and yeah, it's not good. I do remember that my elementary school had Macs, however.
[08:24] <KnifeySpooney> public elementary, too
[08:24] <barbaric> ha - i gave some guest lectures at a school last year, and all the machines in the office had ie6 running on win2k
[08:24] <Tryptographer> ah, the good old days of macs at school in the early nineties
[08:25] <KnifeySpooney> barbaric - that's what my school's running, well actually it's winxp with the "classic" win2k theme
[08:25] <KnifeySpooney> and with some Novell application launcher
[08:25] <smokex> we had an apple II in 3rd grade
[08:25] <Tryptographer> there is an apple II emulator out there
[08:25] <smokex> carmen sandiego rocked
[08:25] <Tryptographer> I played Agent USA on it
[08:25] <smokex> lol
[08:26] <barbaric> smokex - i learned to type on an apple II gs
[08:26] <smokex> nice
[08:27] <smokex> i didnt have a computer at home til we got a pentium 66 with windows 95.. didnt switch to linux til my college professor made us try it out
[08:27] <KnifeySpooney> it does bug me though that half the kids in my class say "start up windows" when they mean "start up internet explorer"
[08:27] <smokex> the old rumor of it being hard and a programmer only os had me a bit scared
[08:27] <barbaric> Smokex - best prof ever
[08:27] <smokex> yes he was
[08:28] <KnifeySpooney> sounds neat, if he ran slideshows, did he use openoffice?
[08:28] <barbaric> did they have openoffice back then (guessing 10 years ago)
[08:28] <barbaric> ?
[08:28] <smokex> had a dual head ati card hooked to a tv
[08:29] <smokex> i think it was that old kde office suite
[08:29] <smokex> what was it called again? around the year 2000 on mandrake
[08:31] <KnifeySpooney> no idea
[08:31] <smokex> hm i think its still on synaptic
[08:32] <smokex> and may still be the default office suite for some kde distros
[08:33] <Tryptographer> koffice?
[08:33] <smokex> probably lol
[08:34] <smokex> i have stuck with gnome openoffice for so long... eh lol
[08:34] <smokex> gnome and openoffice
[08:34]  * Tryptographer admist to being a TeX user.
[08:35] <smokex> I like gedit for config editing and browsing through source code
[08:35] <Tryptographer> admits to being a TeX user for long enough that he knows how to and has done too many font customizations because he hates computer modern roman
[08:36] <smokex> only reason i still have windows is for cross platform testing..
[08:37] <KnifeySpooney> only reason I have windows is that my parents can't figure out ubuntu despite my repeated attempts to teach them
[08:37] <joaopinto> hey, you guys know about the offtopic channel right :P ?
[08:37] <smokex> qt/boost they dont mix nice b/c of signals/slots but a small macro change in the qt headers can fix that
[08:38] <smokex> oh yea back to why i cam here... atheros card performance degredation on lucid
[08:38] <Tryptographer> joaopinto: we do almost now. pointer?
[08:39] <joaopinto> !ot
[08:39] <smokex> Atheros AR5005G
[08:39] <KnifeySpooney> i'm heading to offtopic as well
[08:40] <KnifeySpooney> good night all
[08:41] <smokex> the open source ati card work has been great though.. full effects with decent performance.. kudos to whoever has been working on them
[08:42] <datune> Hello. After installing Ubuntu Server 10.04 Beta2, I tried running apt-get install vim-full, but get : E: Couldn't find package vim-full. All available repositories are uncommented. Do I have to add another repo? (I did run apt-get update)
[08:43] <Peddy> Can I set a different wallpaper for each monitor with dual monitors in Lucid?
[08:48] <geekphreak> hey guys
[08:49] <mrp> i ahve got a vps running with lucid but for some reason it won't let me do the kernel?
[08:49] <mrp> root@jus:~# uname -a
[08:49] <mrp> Linux jus.powuh.net 2.6.18-128.2.1.el5.028stab064.7 #1 SMP Wed Aug 26 15:47:17 MSD 2009 i686 GNU/Linux
[08:49] <geekphreak> i am on lucid starting empthy getting bus error (core dumped), error , anyone got this before?
[08:51] <mrp> Peddy: doubt it just load the two in gimp and make one big one :)
[08:52] <void^> depending on the vps solution, you're usually stuck with their custom kernel
[08:53] <mrp> void^: how do they block it?
[08:53] <geekphreak> can anyone help/
[08:54] <cwillu> mrp, they don't load the kernel from your filesystem
[08:54] <BUGabundo_remote> m0rn|ng
[08:55] <barbaric1> ok, so I messed with plymouth some more
[08:55] <cwillu> BUGabundo_remote, booting in 20 seconds yet?
[08:55] <barbaric1> no matter you guys said not to futz with it
[08:56] <brontosaurusrex> where can one configure rmb nautilus actions? (i would like to add 'open in terminal')
[08:57] <brontosaurusrex> and 'open as root'
[08:57] <cwillu> brontosaurusrex, google for "adding nautilus actions"
[08:58] <brontosaurusrex> cwillu: ok
[08:58] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu: I wish bud
[09:00] <geekphreak> so no one encountered  bus error message?
[09:02] <switchgirl> medibuntu is still down
[09:02] <SwedeMike> geekphreak: plenty of people have gotten that message, it's a standard error message.
[09:03] <geekphreak> SwedeMike:  thanks for replying mate, i am working on it googling a bit too, getting it on empathy when i try to start it  no luck yet
[09:04] <SwedeMike> you should probably log a bug report on launchpad, bus error is a memory protection error, it means somewhere the program is writing to memory it shouldnt write to
[09:04] <geekphreak> ok will do
[09:12] <BUGabundo_remote> cwillu: actually the inclusion of barriers=1 on my kernel is making stuff slower
[09:12] <cwillu> it would do that, yes
[09:13] <cwillu> things that make filesystems not go boom tend to have a performance impact :p
[09:13] <BUGabundo_remote> no, really
[09:13] <BUGabundo_remote> a week ago copying from internal 5400 RPM disk to external 7200 over e-sata would reach 50MBs with almost not system impact
[09:14] <BUGabundo_remote> now, I can barelly sustain 30MB/s and can't even move my mouse without dragging
[09:14] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm close to change group to set =0
[09:23] <geekphreak> SwedeMike: i did :)
[09:49] <chandru_in> I tried disabling MySQL from starting up using "update-rc.d mysql disable".  It says "System start/stop links for /etc/init.d/mysql do not exist.".  Where does mysql get started from in Lucid?
[09:52] <Damascene> recording desktop won't be able to show on youtube
[09:53] <Damascene> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/305286
[09:57] <joaopinto> chalcedony, probably upstart
[09:57] <joaopinto> ops, was for chandru, gone
[10:06] <thecookie> Hmm. Which are the latest proprietary nvidia drivers?
[10:06] <BUGabundo_remote> thecookie: nvidia-current ?
[10:07] <thecookie> smart!
[10:07] <thecookie> Hmm
[10:07] <thecookie> Those doesn't seem to work on my machine tho.
[10:07] <thecookie> I can't get extra effects to work
[10:07] <thecookie> Got a pretty recent nvidia card
[10:08] <BUGabundo_remote> ahh
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> nag Sarvatt or bjsnider about it. maybe they know what to do
[10:09] <thecookie> So I thought that was some broken non proprietary version, bacause it has always worked :)
[10:11] <thecookie> My sound is really dead too.
[10:13] <thecookie> But now it at least boots, before the last update I had to start it in recovery mode and do a manual startx. :)
[10:16] <Peddy> Can I set a different wallpaper for each monitor with dual monitors in Lucid?
[10:19] <BUGabundo_remote> Peddy: not that I know of
[10:23] <thecookie> Any idea what I can do to get sound working?
[10:24] <geekphreak> SwedeMike: fixed my issue :)
[10:24] <thecookie> Everything looks fine in alsamixer
[10:24] <thecookie> How do I go back ti pulseaudio? Seems to be installed.
[10:38] <dmarkey> is there any reported issues with tablet pcs and the touchscreen not working
[10:39] <geekphreak> 2/part
[10:54] <thecookie> I've tested editing stuff in alsamixer, still no sound. Let's hope it's a known issue :)
[10:55] <thecookie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/558910
[11:02] <thecookie> Bah. I neeeeed music.
[11:03] <BUGabundo_remote> me too
[11:03] <thecookie> Your sound broken too?
[11:04] <kyxzme> hi
[11:04] <kyxzme> !
[11:04] <kyxzme> do you know there is no way to use Workspaces in 10.04?
[11:05] <coz_> kyxzme,  how so?
[11:05] <kyxzme> i've workspaces bar on systray
[11:05] <kyxzme> when i click on a workspaces
[11:05] <kyxzme> nothing happens
[11:05] <kyxzme> using shortcuts too
[11:05] <coz_> mm let me try hold on
[11:05] <coz_> kyxzme,  do you have compiz enabled?
[11:05] <kyxzme> yeah
[11:06] <BUGabundo_remote> no thecookie. I just can't listen to music at work
[11:06] <coz_> kyxzme,  do you have  compizconfig-settings-manager installed?
[11:06] <kyxzme> yes
[11:06] <BUGabundo_remote> wfm
[11:06] <coz_> open that lets check something  kyxzme
[11:06] <BUGabundo_remote> both compiz and metacity
[11:06] <coz_> kyxzme,  go to General options   Desktop size tab
[11:07] <coz_> kyxzme,   what is horizonatl virtual size set to?
[11:07] <coz_> horizontal
[11:07] <kyxzme> 10
[11:07] <kyxzme> 1
[11:07] <kyxzme> 1
[11:07] <coz_> kyxzme,  ok hit the Back button and tell me if desktop wall  or desktop cube is enabled
[11:07] <kyxzme> horizontal 10 vertical 1 total 1, unable to set total to 10
[11:08] <coz_> kyxzme,  you want  10  1  1
[11:08] <coz_> kyxzme,  only the horizontal virtual size is used when using Desktop cube   the other two settings can be used with deskto wall
[11:08] <kyxzme> desktop cube is enabled
[11:09] <kyxzme> and desktop wall isn't
[11:09] <coz_> kyxzme,  and you can rotate cube fine?
[11:09] <kyxzme> no
[11:09] <coz_> kyxzme,  o0
[11:09] <kyxzme> on 9.10 i used to rotate desktop using mouse-button-3
[11:09] <kyxzme> the scroll
[11:09] <coz_> kyxzme,    is Viewport swtiching plugin enabled?
[11:09] <kyxzme> but now it doesn't work
[11:10] <kyxzme> section?
[11:10] <coz_> Desktop
[11:11] <coz_> kyxzme,  Desktop category   Viewport switcher
[11:11] <kyxzme> http://img16.imageshack.us/img16/3876/schermatanw.png
[11:12] <coz_> kyxzme,   mmm
[11:12] <BUGabundo_remote> looks fine for me
[11:12] <BUGabundo_remote> kyxzme:  tried to disable 3d, and enable again?
[11:12] <kyxzme> hey!
[11:12] <kyxzme> i've resolved!
[11:12] <coz_> kyxzme,   what was the issue?
[11:13] <kyxzme> i've enabled "rotate cube"
[11:13] <coz_> ah
[11:13] <BUGabundo_remote> doh
[11:13] <kyxzme> amazin!
[11:13] <coz_> :)
[11:13] <kyxzme> im stupid sorry
[11:13] <kyxzme> xD
[11:13] <BUGabundo_remote> if only the screenshot was bigger
[11:13] <kyxzme> thank you coz_  xD
[11:13] <coz_> kyxzme,  also be sure the Cube reflection and deformation plugin is enabled as well under  Effects category
[11:14] <thecookie> Who cares about that stuff when the nvidia drivers + sound isn't working! :D
[11:14] <kyxzme> yeah coz_ i've a lot enabled, i got an nvidia gts250
[11:14] <coz_> kyxzme,   ok cool
[11:14] <kyxzme> iam just wondering about the compiz power!
[11:15] <coz_> kyxzme,  power?
[11:15] <kyxzme> yeah i think its more powerful than aero
[11:15] <kyxzme> and has more effects
[11:15] <coz_> kyxzme,  oh well yeah  aero has what  2 animations?
[11:16] <kyxzme> lol
[11:16] <kyxzme> just transparency on title-bar
[11:16] <kyxzme> app
[11:16] <coz_> kyxzme,  I think  alt+tab has an animation
[11:17] <coz_> I just updated one of my themes for cairo dock if anyone is intertested...sorry for blatent  advertising here :)
[11:18] <kyxzme> i am a mac user too
[11:18] <kyxzme> i tried cairo-dock
[11:18] <coz_> kyxzme,   I gave up mac years ago
[11:18] <kyxzme> are you cairo-dock developer?
[11:19] <coz_> kyxzme,  no I am one of the graphics guys on the team
[11:19] <kyxzme> oh!
[11:19] <kyxzme> i would like to help in a foss project
[11:20] <coz_> kyxzme,  if you want to talk with one of the developers   fabounet  or matttbe  is generally in #cairo-dock
[11:20] <coz_> not yet though
[11:21] <kyxzme> im just studying gtk+
[11:21] <kyxzme> right now
[11:21] <coz_> I see
[11:21] <coz_> understood
[11:21] <kyxzme> i could help ubuntu if it has something in PHP
[11:21] <kyxzme> i'm a zend php5 certified engineer
[11:22] <coz_> kyxzme,  you wold have to talk to one of the ubuntu devs  in #ubuntu-devel
[11:22] <kyxzme> oh!
[11:24] <heyboy> anybody knows of a stock ticker application /applet in lucid lynx?
[11:25] <coz_> heyboy,  mm   I think screenlets has one  I believe
[11:25] <heyboy> coz_: works only in KDE, I think.
[11:25] <heyboy> I have gnome
[11:26] <coz_> heyboy,  no  screenlets work with gnome as well
[11:26] <heyboy> let me try.
[11:26] <coz_> heyboy,  i also have gnome
[11:27] <heyboy> any HowTo that you can suggest?
[11:27] <coz_> heyboy,  for screenlets?
[11:27] <coz_> heyboy,  sudo apt-get install screenlets
[11:27] <coz_> :)
[11:27] <heyboy> yes
[11:28] <coz_> heyboy,  the rest will be easy after that,,, it should in stall in the  Applications/Accessories menyu
[11:28] <coz_> menu
[11:28] <heyboy> Thanks for the help
[11:28] <coz_> heyboy,  no problem... screenlets are not difficult at all to install and run :)
[11:30] <coz_> heyboy,  I believe there is also a gnome applet for the panel that is a stock ticker but now sure... i seem to remember one a while back
[11:30] <coz_> not sure I meant
[11:31] <coz_> heyboy,  you may have to get it from upstream   http://unix.freshmeat.net/projects/stocktickerapplet/
[11:32] <coz_> or not
[11:35] <Ken8521> is anybody having problems? its scary quiet here...lol
[11:35] <BUGabundo_remote> nope
[11:35] <bjornoba> yes i am
[11:35] <BUGabundo_remote> everything fine
[11:35] <BUGabundo_remote> ... and slow...
[11:36] <BUGabundo_remote> a nasty bug in NX
[11:36] <BUGabundo_remote> but that doesn't count
[11:36] <brianherman> bjornoba: whats wrong
[11:37] <dyrnade> hey all
[11:37] <dyrnade> i want to ask something about new ubuntu beta
[11:37] <Ken8521> BUGabundo_remote, slow?.. are you serious?
[11:37] <Ken8521> its zipping on 3 machines for me.
[11:37] <Ken8521> dyrnade, just ask.
[11:37] <dyrnade> i have Samsung R522 laptop and i installed new ubuntu but
[11:37] <dyrnade> i cant record my voice
[11:37] <dyrnade> its very very lower
[11:38] <Ken8521> dyrnade, internal mic?
[11:38] <dyrnade> yeah
[11:38] <Ken8521> skype?
[11:38] <dyrnade> no  , i want to use gtk-recordmydesktop
[11:39] <dyrnade> but no voice
[11:39] <Ken8521> is there *no voice* or is it just very very low/muffled?
[11:39] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, NX working fine here using the stable ppa *KARMIC* repository :P
[11:39] <Fullmoon> etc/event.d vanished in Ubuntu lucid (development branch)?
[11:39] <dyrnade> very very low and i can't listen my voic
[11:39] <dyrnade> e
[11:40] <popey> dyrnade: use pavucontrol to increase the mic volume?
[11:40] <Ken8521> dyrnade, first, try checking the "input" sound volume and see if that is up.
[11:40] <Ken8521> if that doesn't work, open a terminal, and type "alsamixer" no quotes, hit enter, hit tab once, and that should bring up your "capture" volumes. try adjusting those
[11:41] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: no altgr bug ?
[11:41] <dyrnade> okey wait a min
[11:41] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, what altgr br ?
[11:41] <BUGabundo_remote> Ken8521: slow boot (longer then karmic), slow IO
[11:41] <Ken8521> that's surprising
[11:41] <Ken8521> my machines are booting either close to the same, or in the case of my PC, significantly faster
[11:41] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: http://www.nomachine.com/tr/view.php?id=TR02H02327
[11:42] <bjornoba> i have some issues, just switched from windows so i'm very new to all this. Problem 1: making a xorg.conf file and tweaking it does not make the unclaimed display go away in lshw (2 monitors) i also have other issues (compiz not working due to max texture size, visual effects not working due to max texture size)
[11:42] <BUGabundo_remote> Ken8521: http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/ see for your self :)
[11:43] <dyrnade> Ken9521
[11:43] <dyrnade> i bringed all of them
[11:43] <dyrnade> that's true?
[11:44] <Ken8521> bringed all what?
[11:44] <dyrnade> capture volumes
[11:45] <Ken8521> well, usually if you raise all of them, all the way up, you'll get a lot of static(at least i do)
[11:46] <dyrnade> yeah
[11:46] <dyrnade> i did
[11:46] <dyrnade> i can did
[11:46] <dyrnade> thnx for ur help
[11:47] <dyrnade> how can i restore to default
[11:47] <koshari> has the nvidia/compiz/vino damage issue been resolved in 10
[11:47] <dyrnade> ?
[11:47] <Ken8521> just lower them, just like you raised them
[11:47] <dyrnade> okey thnx
[11:48] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, altgr works fine here
[11:51] <tertitten> hmmm wierd, all of a sudden whenever I play a song the sound goes plink and plonk at random, pretty annoing :(
[11:51] <dyrnade> Ken8521
[11:51] <Ken8521> ?
[11:51] <dyrnade> thnx for all but the sound is coming some bad :D
[11:52] <dyrnade> background sound
[11:52] <Ken8521> thats what i said, you have to adjust them... until they sound right...
[11:53] <dyrnade> okey i must try all versions oke oke
[11:53] <dyrnade> thnx buddy
[11:53] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: type @ then some text
[11:54] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, works fine
[11:54] <BUGabundo_remote> damn
[11:54] <quiritius> i have some weird ttyN behavior after an update triggers update-initramfs: the screen is shifted right-down so only 2 lines are visible. re-running update-initramfs AND update-grub fixes it on next boot though.
[11:54] <Ken8521> even typing @ doesn't do anything if you don't type theirname
[11:55] <BUGabundo_remote> Ken8521: ????????
[11:56] <Ken8521> @ see what i mean?
[11:56] <Ken8521> you still gotta at least tab-complete their name
[11:56] <Ken8521> unless you're talking about something i have no clue about
[11:56] <BUGabundo_remote> that's not what I'm talking
[11:56] <Ken8521> oh ok
[11:57] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm referign to unicode chars enabled by alt-gr with NX server to joaopinto, about a bug I have with it
[11:57] <Ken8521> yeah, i thought you were takling to the other guy, my bad
[12:03] <dyrnade> Ken8521 , i can did
[12:03] <dyrnade> thnx again see u
[12:04] <bjornoba> I want to edit /usr/bin/compiz, find the function "check_texture_size()" and comment out the line that says "return 1;". But that file is an executable, not *.sh ? Any ideas? :)
[12:07] <joaopinto> bjorn, you want to get the source, change the code and rebuild the package
[12:08] <joaopinto> bjorn, make sure you have the -src enabled on your apt sources
[12:08] <joaopinto> then apt-get source compiz
[12:08] <joaopinto> good luck :D
[12:08] <arand> bjornoba: Just edit it as normal, the .sh ending makes no difference.
[12:09] <arand> bjornoba: What you're looking for seems to be on line #256
[12:09] <yofel> arand: it's not a script anymore, that's the problem
[12:09] <bjornoba> but editing it only views a lot of ^@^@, ok joaopinto, how to i get the source hehe
[12:10] <yofel> /usr/bin/compiz: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.15, stripped
[12:10] <arand> yofel: bjornoba: Ah, ok, sorry, no-change assumptions.
[12:11] <JediMaster> hi guys, I've got some odd dependancy issues with php on lucid, e.g. you can't install php5-mcrypt or php5-ffmpeg without apache installed (e.g. with php5-cgi like with an nginx configuration), they depend on an older version of the php api which php5-cgi is newer, so it then depends on php5 instead, which is the apache module package
[12:12] <bjornoba> arand: how did u find it on line #256 ?
[12:12] <arand> bjornoba: Nevermind, that was on Karmic.
[12:13] <bjornoba> arand: ok. man, why do they change things all the time.. hehe. is it possible to get the source somewhere?
[12:14] <arand> bjornoba: apt-get source compiz
[12:15]  * duffydack just discovers the awesomeness that is zsync
[12:16] <arand> bjornoba: But it seems like "check_texture_size" is no longer present in the source, so likely it has been replaced...
[12:17] <bjornoba> arand: !"#¤
[12:17] <bjornoba> :)
[12:17] <bjornoba> that wasnt a surprise really
[12:18] <arand> bjornoba: I would probably ask in #compiz what the equivalent is..
[12:18] <bjornoba> arand: ok :)
[12:22] <bjornoba> arand: joaopinto: joaopinto says earlier that  "make sure you have the -src enabled on your apt sources" because i failed retrieving source compiz. how do i do that?
[12:23] <arand> bjornoba: software sources from admin menu, if you use a PPA for compiz you'll need the deb-src line in addition to the "deb" one
[12:27] <bjornoba> arand: ok
[12:28] <bjornoba> arand: the problem was that i was missing the dpkg-dev package
[12:31] <arand> bjornoba: Ah, yea, the ubuntu-dev-tools metapackage is useful for working with source.
[12:31] <coc0nut> Does desktopcouch-service keep crashing on boot for anyone else?
[12:38] <thoeger> Hello Channel - I have a problem with a dual boot install. Apparently Windows is overwriting MBR every time it loads (which is not often). I tried to reinstall GRUB from a live USB, but it doesn't give me a menu, just a grub> prompt. How do I get my good old GRUB menu back so I can boot into windows and disable the services that overwrite MBR?
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> Ive never heard of a service in windows that does that.. unless its some AV software.
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> so grub worked once.. windows booted.. and some how messed up the MBR so badly.. it just shows what after windows messes it up?
[12:40] <thoeger> Dr_Willis: There is an open bug about this, back from 9.10 but carries over on $0.04. It seems to be specific vendor-provided recovery services, not Windows itself.
[12:40] <DASPRiD> Dr_Willis, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=125883
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> ahh.. gotta hate those silly ways the companies use so they dont feel they need to include restore disks.
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> One of the many reasons i keep linux on its own hd on my desktop machines. :)
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> well In theory you should be able to boot a live cd,  and fix grub following the guides.
[12:42] <thoeger> Dr_Willis: Yes but I don't own this machine it's provided by my employer. It's a laptop btw, so I guess a separate boot disk is not an option ;)
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> I got linux running on a flash drive :) 8gb flash drive.  to toy with.. worked very well.
[12:43] <coc0nut> An external hard disk or solid state drive.
[12:43] <Dr_Willis> it can work as a rescue disk also
[12:45] <thoeger> Yeah I know but always having to boot from an external drive is vary impractical when Linux is my primary OS...
[12:45] <harry-houdini1> hello I have a problem, there seems to be a lock on a drive that I have in my system. When I boot it says " I get a message saying device or resource busy unable to mount" and unless i skip the mount of the drive it hangs. I believe I have tracked this problem to the fact that it is on a raid controller...
[12:45] <thoeger> ...Anyway, I do have a USB drive. But maybe I did something wrong when reinstalling GRUB, I tried the following:
[12:45] <harry-houdini1> its not part of a raid but I think mdraid is holding a lock on it for some reason
[12:45] <harry-houdini1> How do i find out for sure if this is the problem
[12:47] <harry-houdini1> syslog and dmesg have no record of the problem
[12:47] <thoeger> 'sudo mount -t auto /dev/sda1 /mnt' (sda1 being the partition with my windows install and boot sector) and then 'sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt' - but it only gives me a GRUB prompt, not an actual menu... Am I doing something wrong there?
[12:48] <thoeger> Dr_Willis: here is the relevant bug report https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/441941?comments=all
[12:49] <arand> thoeger: You would need to specify where the mbr goes as well I thin... (/dev/sda ?) Anyway, installing grub on ntfs sounds... dangerous.
[12:50] <thoeger> arand: It seems that the Ubuntu installer did that by default...? When running fdisk -l from my USB drive, that partition was flagged as boot already before I started fiddling with it.
[12:51] <harry-houdini1> please not i have a raid 5 on the same system so there is need for md raid to be there I just dont want it to "hold on to " this particular drive
[12:53] <arand> thoeger: Yea, the ubuntu installer will install "grub mbr" to the main drive and grub to the ubuntu partition if not specified otherwise
[12:54] <arand> thoeger: So you have windows-only on the main disk, and installed ubuntu on external disk?
[12:55] <thoeger> arand:  no, it's a laptop. I have Windows and ubuntu on different partitions on the main disk, ut some HP recovery service messed up my MBR as described in the bug report. I tried to boot from live USB stick and reinstall GRUB from there, but I must have done something wrong. Installing GRUB on the NTFS partition could be it...
[12:57] <SandGorgon> why does dolphin (in my kubuntu 10.04) refuse to eject a USB drive saying something like "not mounted by HAL, so do cannot unmount it) ?
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> When installing to a usb drive. you NEED to tell teh installer to put grub on the usb drive. :)
[12:58] <thoeger> arand: so, my partitions look like this: /dev/sda1: ntfs system with windows and MBR. /dev/sda3: primary partition, extended. Subpartitions under /dev/sda3 is sda5: ext4 filesystem with Ubuntu 10.04 and sda6: swap. Question is now: How do I correctly reinstall and repair GRUB on this system?
[12:58] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  if it got mounted via fstab, or root user withj mount command. the user cant unmount it
[12:59] <thoeger> Dr_Willis: I am trying to fix GRUB on my laptop, not install grub on the flashdrive!
[12:59] <Dr_Willis> youwould normally put grub on the mbr of the hard drive ie: sda  in this case
[12:59] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, nope nothing of that sort - just plugged it in, got a notification. used dolphin to copy/paste some stuff and then attempted to eject it. And then this error
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> but as you said.. windows keps removeing it if its there.. :) so.  not sure  how to prevent that.
[13:00] <Dr_Willis> SandGorgon:  i noticed teh kde file manager keeping a flash drive open  'in use' for a long time after a copy was done  yesterday. perhaps its a similer bug.
[13:00] <thoeger> Dr_Willis: You don't seem to be really reading my questions - in any case, you are answering cvompletely differet questions.
[13:01] <thoeger> arand:  you happen to know how I'd proceed from here?
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> I only got a 10 line history buffer i can see.. and i just sat down.
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> and someone was discussing flash drives earlier :)
[13:02] <Dr_Willis> but its been 'grub problem' week in this channel..  it seems.
[13:07] <SandGorgon> Dr_Willis, oh yeah... I have had my share of grub problems.. one of them being that /tmp permissions got borked by an update and I could'nt boot. 10.04 doesnt cease to surprise !
[13:08] <arand> thoeger: From a liveCD: "sudo mount /dev/sda5 /mnt" :: "sudo grub-install --root-directory=/mnt /dev/sda" :: Instaling grub to the sda mbr linking it to the grub on sda5... Make sure the sdXY notation is correct for your case
[13:09] <MaximLevitsky> where is eclipse-cdt in ubuntu 10.4?
[13:09] <thoeger> arand:  I just guessed wildly and tried the same - and it worked! Thanks.
[13:10] <arand> thoeger: booted ok?
[13:11] <thoeger> Into Windows so far, yes. Gonna try to go through the services it's running and get rid of the evildoer.
[13:11] <xXedixXx> Hello
[13:11] <thoeger> there are some suggestions in the bug report
[13:11] <xXedixXx> I was thinking of upgrading to 10.04, but I was wondering if it's stable enough to risk.
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> what brand pc is this anyway thoeger ? i want to avoide them in the future.
[13:11] <Dr_Willis> xXedixXx:  if you need 100% reliablity - then dont.
[13:12] <thoeger> It's quite old it's an HP Compaq nx6325. But it's reported from other models and other vedors too in the bug report. Seems GRUB2 is more sensitive to this than legacy grub - which wasn't sensitive to it at all.
[13:12] <xXedixXx> Well, tbh I wouldn't say ubuntu itself is 100% reliability...
[13:12] <Dr_Willis> Theres been a lot of issues this week.
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> xXedixXx:  i say windows isent 100% relieable either.
[13:13] <xXedixXx> So do I :)
[13:13] <xXedixXx> I hate Windows.
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> I had to do a total reinstll of windows to fix a '.Net' problem once.
[13:13] <xXedixXx> Should I just backup my documents and upgrade?
[13:13] <Dr_Willis> xXedixXx:  if you want and feel brave.. why not. :)
[13:14] <xXedixXx> How much better is it?
[13:14] <BUGabundo_remote> duffydack: zsync is *awesome*
[13:14] <Dr_Willis> boot times under 30 sec here on all my machines.
[13:14] <arand> thoeger: Dr_Willis: I wonder if it's something in windows that's overwriting the 30k embedded part...
[13:15] <pa> how do i remove the mail icon from the indicator applet?
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> pa:  right click and remove..
[13:15] <pa> it removes the whole indicator applet
[13:15] <BUGabundo_remote> Dr_Willis: let me fetch one of your then
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> its joined with the volume applet (they both are the same program so yes)
[13:15] <BUGabundo_remote> cause mine are MUCH longer
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> the old vol applet is some command you run.
[13:15] <BUGabundo_remote> http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[13:15] <pa> exactly
[13:15] <Dr_Willis> pa:  so run the old vol applet.
[13:15] <pa> and indicator shows also the battery
[13:15] <BUGabundo_remote> I need to kill some stuff of the startup :(
[13:15] <xXedixXx> I'm just going to backup my netbeans projects, that all I really need :P
[13:16] <pa> which is possible to configure when it goes there or not
[13:16] <thoeger> arand:  It seems to be vendor provided backup services.
[13:16] <pa> but for this mail. it always stays there
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/how-to-remove-social-network-features.html
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> some of the applets are 'combo' tools. you need to twiddle with them to get rid of what you dont want
[13:17] <Dr_Willis> I imagine that mail applet thing will be a big FAQ when its released
[13:17] <xXedixXx> Alrighty.
[13:17] <xXedixXx> Backed up.
[13:18] <mrp> how do install add-apt-repository?
[13:18] <xXedixXx> How do I now get the latest version? Which repo do I need to add?
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> mrp:  its allready installed by default i thoiught
[13:18] <pa> i think it's a bug
[13:18] <BUGabundo_remote> mrp: erk aptitude install add-apt-repo ?
[13:18] <pa> like the one in network manager
[13:18] <Dr_Willis> i never upgrade from one release to the next.. so im not sure xXedixXx
[13:19] <pa> (doesnt work very nicely with dhcp)
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> !upgrade
[13:19] <xXedixXx> Thanks
[13:19] <defswork> update-manager -d offers lucid
[13:19] <xXedixXx> Cheers.
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> I did succfully upgrade one of my machines. :)
[13:19] <Dr_Willis> but ive had manu just fail with upgrades
[13:19] <Pici> mrp: If for some reason you don't have it, its in the python-software-properties package.  (it wasn't installed on my VPS for some reason)
[13:20] <xXedixXx> You should use Ubuntu as your desktop!!!!
[13:20] <xXedixXx> :P
[13:21] <xXedixXx> Is it true that cPanel is incompatible with Ubuntu?
[13:21] <Dr_Willis> Not sure what cpanel even is
[13:21] <xXedixXx> You've never heard of cPanel?
[13:21] <BUGabundo_remote> Pici: some meta package missing ?
[13:22] <xXedixXx> cPanel is a web hosting management tool.
[13:22] <BUGabundo_remote> cpanel is a web admin for shared hosting
[13:22] <Dr_Willis> I imagien theres a lot of things ive never heard of.. :)
[13:22] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: Probably, lots of stuff wasn't installed when I started to use it.
[13:22] <BUGabundo_remote> nothing to do with ubuntu
[13:22] <BUGabundo_remote> Pici: not that I need to tell you , but: aptitude install ubuntu-desktop
[13:22] <DiverDown> For some reason my wireless icon in the gnome panel keeps disappearing when I startup Lucid. I ran gnome-panel --replace but when I close the terminal both panels are gone and I need to restart. Any suggestions?
[13:22] <BUGabundo_remote> assuming that's your flavour
[13:22] <rhkfin> Hello there! I have upgraded Lucid on friday, and every now and then my KDE just dies. Signal to screen dies, about 5 seconds with black screen, then I get the normal desktop view back just to see it die and start kdm again. Here're lines of .xsession-errors: http://pastebin.com/9hcivSCU and I've got ATI Technologies Inc RV280 [Radeon 9200 SE] (rev 01)
[13:23] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: Not going to help me much on a VPS ;)
[13:23] <Dr_Willis> DiverDown:  run the command ith a & at the end and use the 'exit'  command ' NOT the terminal close button  ( normally works for me that way)
[13:23] <Pici> xXedixXx: isn't cpanel commercial? Wouldn't it be best to ask them what distros *they* support?
[13:24] <DiverDown> Dr_Willis, thanks, I'll give it a shot
[13:24] <Dr_Willis> DiverDown:  i normally never use teh terminal close button.. old habbits. :) i always use exit command
[13:24] <arand> thoeger: What you could do to help debug is to make copies of the first ~35k of sda before and after the issue, and see if something does indeed mess with the grub mbr/embed
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> isent 35K a little large for the boot record?
[13:25] <thoeger> arand:  and then run diff I guess. But how do I make these copies?
[13:25] <DiverDown> Dr_Willis, Thanks, that's a habit I will start to get into myself
[13:25] <BUGabundo_remote> Dr_Willis: I use ctrl+d
[13:25] <Dr_Willis> BUGabundo_remote:  i think ctrl-\ also works.. but thats been years ago
[13:26] <BUGabundo_remote> nope
[13:26] <BUGabundo_remote> not here
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> must be thinking of somthign else in bash then.. or was  that for an editor..
[13:26] <Dr_Willis> cat > poo
[13:26] <arand> Dr_Willis: not taking into account the embedding which is around ~30k (not sure exactly on size there, but it's huge compared to mbr anyways, hence why grub can havaé an interactive shell without findong the prtition and config file
[13:28] <arand> thoeger: Something like «« sudo dd if=/dev/sda bs=35k count=1 > mbrcopy1.img »»
[13:29] <arand> Although mbr_and_embed_area.img might be a less misleading filename..
[13:30] <DiverDown> Dr_Willis, This is what I get in Terminal when I run that command. http://paste.ubuntu.com/418559/
[13:30] <Dr_Willis> DiverDown:  just a warning.. did it actually work?
[13:31] <DiverDown> Dr_Willis, Yes, but it doesn't come back to a prompt. It hangs up like it's still running. If I shut it down, I lose the panels all together
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> DiverDown:  hit enter a few times.. it LOOKS like it went back tot eh prompt here..
[13:32] <Dr_Willis> it will still spit out error and other messages to that window even after the &
[13:33] <DiverDown> Dr_Willis, That worked, thanks.
[13:33] <Dr_Willis> DiverDown:  with using & - it can be a annoyance if programs in the background spit out messages.. they appear in the middle of other output sometimes.
[13:34] <DiverDown> Dr_Willis, that is good to know
[13:34] <michiduta> Hello
[13:34] <michiduta> Is there a way to make plasmoids visible only on mouseover and otherwise blend into the background or fade ? Using Kubuntu 10.04
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> Never noticed that feature michiduta
[13:35] <michiduta> :(
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> put it on brainstorm...
[13:35] <eagles05138785> michiduta: poke :p
[13:35] <Dr_Willis> but i cant imageine me ever doing it. :)
[13:36] <Dr_Willis> I did discover you can put plasmoids on the kde screensaver  - thats a nifty trick
[13:36] <michiduta> eagles05138785: poke :P
[13:36] <michiduta> :)
[13:36] <eagles05138785> michiduta: just ask yoru question and who knows will help you out
[13:36] <michiduta> Ok thanks
[13:37] <Dr_Willis> wow - yet another kernel update today.. seems i get one ever day
[13:38] <eagles05138785> hehe hdr
[13:38] <eagles05138785> heheh Dr_Willis
[13:38] <michiduta> But don't you feel like some plasmoids are wasting space when you could see your beautiful background? Like translators or converters that are rarely used
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> I set my plasmids like shown on http://drop.io/dr_willis (i think i got it on there)
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> doh. not there .. what was that url...
[13:39] <Dr_Willis> thats my conky configs for gnome :)
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> I use the 'folder' plasmoid to show the 3 or so dirs i use the most.. and  thats about it.
[13:40] <Dr_Willis> a clock and the off button.  and 2 watching log files on monitor #2 - finish it off.
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> here it is
[13:41] <Dr_Willis> http://drop.io/dw2nnfw
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> the funny blue on the left side is because my 2 monitors are not the same size. :0
[13:42] <eagles05138785> hahah
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> and my wallpapers change every 10 min or so. (same look just diff colors)
[13:42] <eagles05138785> how conky is ur gnome config
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> I havent used that conky script in ages
[13:42] <eagles05138785> Dr_Willis: you get the idea from win 7 or mac osx
[13:42] <Dr_Willis> eagles05138785:  ive never used win 7 - and not used os-x in ages...
[13:43] <eagles05138785> cuz on 7 it changes ever login and on osx you can have it change ever give time period
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> so neither :)
[13:43] <thoeger> arand:  trying to boot into windows now, after deactivating the main suspect during the last boot and reinstalling grub again. Hopefully, I won't need my debug info...
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> I just used the default kde wallpaper settings
[13:43] <Dr_Willis> and h had a wallpaper set like that :)
[13:44] <eagles05138785> nice
[13:45] <michiduta> yet another kubuntu crash :))
[13:47] <eagles05138785> michiduta:  O_o
[13:47] <TommyThaGun> what's the command to restart X?
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> sudo service gdm restart
[13:47] <Dr_Willis> is one way TommyThaGun
[13:47] <TommyThaGun> ok
[13:47] <eagles05138785> cant u use init script
[13:48] <ZykoticK9> eagles05138785, that's the old way yes
[13:48] <TommyThaGun> which init?
[13:48] <BUGabundo_remote> Dr_Willis: no 'service' there now
[13:48] <eagles05138785> TommyThaGun: give me a sec to fire up the vm
[13:48] <ZykoticK9> /etc/init.d/gdm restart ???
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> hmm?
[13:48] <Dr_Willis> I got gdm.conf files here...
[13:49] <TommyThaGun> service gdm restart is probably the simplest
[13:49] <BUGabundo_remote> # gdm restart is even nicer
[13:49] <Dr_Willis> actually the service command should work for things in init.d also
[13:49] <eagles05138785> TommyThaGun: go ahead and use that but will let you know what it is once i get to a commandline
[13:49] <TommyThaGun> alright
[13:50] <eagles05138785> TommyThaGun: its sudo /etc/init.d/x11-common restart
[13:50] <eagles05138785> would do it
[13:51] <ZykoticK9> eagles05138785, restarting GDM makes much more sense
[13:51] <eagles05138785> why is that
[13:52] <ZykoticK9> eagles05138785, i imagine your method is trying to stop Xorg rather then logging the user out
[13:52] <eagles05138785> ZykoticK9: i restart x
[13:52] <eagles05138785> dont stop it
[13:53] <eagles05138785> ahh i see where ya coming from
[13:53] <eagles05138785> just hit me like a lead brick
[13:53]  * Dr_Willis is confused.. but dosent let that stop him.
[13:53] <ZykoticK9> eagles05138785, i've certainly never seen that method of restarting X though - so full points for origionality
[13:54] <om26er> it turns out chromium daily wont open all websites :(
[13:54] <eagles05138785> ZykoticK9: what exactly is x11-common ?
[13:54] <ZykoticK9> eagles05138785, good question
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> eagles05138785:  i looked at the script and couldent really tell what it was doing either. :)
[13:54] <eagles05138785> Dr_Willis: when i use it it seems to restart x for me
[13:54] <eagles05138785> not sure what else it does
[13:57]  * gnomefreak has no issue with daily Chromium
[13:59] <TommyThaGun> I don't know that I like KDE
[14:00] <thoeger> arand:  Thanks again for your help. Unfortunately windows still messes up my MBR, but I don't have mnore time for troubleshooting now - rteinstalled GRUB and now just keep off Windoze until I have more time at my hands. But thanks for your help, still!
[14:01] <TommyThaGun> is there a way to make the Kickoff Application Launcher pop up by just hitting the Windows key?
[14:01] <TommyThaGun> that would be sweet
[14:01] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/418591/ if i was to change 12 to 6 would it rotate more often?
[14:02] <janmalte> TommyThaGun: Isn't there a posibility to set up a hotkey?
[14:02] <TommyThaGun> I think it has to be a combination
[14:02] <TommyThaGun> I've got to run though, I'll check it later
[14:02] <Bittarman> switchgirl, running a server?
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen mention/gides of using the windows key to pop up a menu.. but i never use it that way
[14:03] <switchgirl> not to my knowlege
[14:03] <Dr_Willis> i dont even use it that way in windows
[14:03] <ZykoticK9> om26er, congrat on Ubuntu membership </OT>
[14:03] <Bittarman> then why you using clamav?
[14:03] <om26er> ZykoticK9, Thanks
[14:04] <switchgirl> Bittarman, i opt to use clamav as it is good to NOT give friends viruses and other malware
[14:04] <Bittarman> switchgirl, filtering your outgoing mail?
[14:04] <zniavre_> !medibuntu
[14:04] <om26er> Its turns out I can open google.com mail.google.com and others too but cannot open http://live.gnome.org/TwoPointThirtyone/ or omgubuntu
[14:05] <switchgirl> yeah and generally protecting me from becoming a zombie
[14:05] <Bittarman> switchgirl, a firewall will stop that, or something like rkhunter, clamav won't.
[14:05] <ZykoticK9> zniavre_, if you're having issues with medibuntu, Dr_Willis just shared a work-around link http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[14:05] <Bittarman> clamav is easily worked around
[14:06] <Bittarman> also.. windows pc's are so easy to target for zombie botnets, linux systems are hardly at risk
[14:07] <switchgirl> i have had issues with ufw logging
[14:07] <zniavre_> ZykoticK9, thank you :o)
[14:07] <arand> om26er: live.gnome.org seems to be down...
[14:08] <Bittarman> the u in ufw is misleading :P
[14:08] <om26er> arand, oh!
[14:08] <switchgirl> Bittarman, they do exist and are quite easy to infect. harder but still quite easy
[14:08] <Bittarman> switchgirl, the point is, proper firewalls stop it. clamav wont.
[14:10] <arand> Bittarman: Firewalls and virus scanners apply to completely different areas.
[14:10] <Bittarman> arand, I know
[14:10] <Bittarman> and I know clamav won'd stop your linux system being pwned
[14:11] <switchgirl> Bittarman, you got 80gb of sys.log ufw.log messages and other logs in /var/log/ ?
[14:11] <switchgirl> i do every time i boot
[14:12] <patdk-wk> bittarman, linux systems are hardly at risk of zombie net?
[14:13] <patdk-wk> that is all I have done for the last year
[14:13] <patdk-wk> is clean up zombie infected linux machines
[14:14] <coc0nut> Not at risk unless users are stupid enough to hand over their root passwords, and many of them are.
[14:14] <switchgirl> patdk-wk, thank you :) you are someone who knows about this
[14:14]  * thiebaude and i clean up windows systems too,hmm
[14:14] <patdk-wk> coc0nut, no need to hand over root passwords
[14:14]  * thiebaude wonders why
[14:15] <patdk-wk> no one said you had to have root to be part of a zombie network
[14:15] <switchgirl> exactly... cookies and other temp files are enough
[14:16] <BUGabundo_remote> http://www.catonmat.net/blog/top-ten-one-liners-from-commandlinefu-explained eheh
[14:16] <switchgirl> not to mention flash cookies
[14:16] <barberan> who has a suspicion that he is a part of the zombie-network ?
[14:16] <switchgirl> barberan, they :P
[14:17] <barberan> switchgirl, why are you switch-girl? do you like catalyst ?
[14:17] <switchgirl> umm i a a GIRL who likes to network
[14:18] <switchgirl> also Bittarman and coc0nut wine can theortically be infected with a virus
[14:19] <patdk-wk> I consider everything a part of that, like linux webservers getting infected with exploit cgi's and stuff
[14:20] <patdk-wk> they don't run as a daemon (normally) but they are just as horrible
[14:20] <michiduta> is there something else i should be doing other than uninstalling adobe flash and installing gnash for konqueror to start using gnash?
[14:21] <mythos> hi, hat noch jemand das problem, dass man mit shift+entf nichts mehr löschen kann?
[14:21] <michiduta> note... i installed both klash and the gnash konqueror plugin
[14:21] <rapha> So
[14:22] <rapha> Is there a solution yet for Tomboy not opening "Search Notes" when put into Startup Applications?
[14:22] <mythos> oh, sorry, i thought, i joined the german channel
[14:22] <rapha> mythos: kein problem
[14:23] <SandGorgon> patdk-wk, how does one check if my own machine is zombie infected ?
[14:23] <Pici> !ot
[14:23] <mythos> anyway, someone noticed that the shortcut shift+del isn't working anymore?
[14:24] <BUGabundo_remote> mythos: works for me in nautilus
[14:24]  * BUGabundo_remote tests
[14:24] <rapha> Pici: that _is_ a Lucid issue
[14:24] <BUGabundo_remote> yep, it works
[14:25] <Pici> rapha: I wasn't talking about your issue.
[14:25] <mythos> BUGabundo_remote, thanks, than i have something misconfigured. i'm going to test it with a new user-account
[14:27] <mrp> Pici: yeah this on my VPS :) no idea why they rip so much stuff out
[14:28] <BUGabundo_remote> mythos: you can use guest session
[14:29] <rapha> Pici: oh, okay, sry then
[14:32] <rapha> gaaah i HATE it that launchpad doesn't put the "New bug" button into an easily discoverable place
[14:34] <Bittarman> switchgirl, clam will still do pretty much nothing for you
[14:35] <Bittarman> proper firewall configuration + common sense will
[14:35] <BUGabundo_remote> rapha: its meant to be like that, so you use $ubuntu-bug PACKAGENAME
[14:35] <michiduta> ... how to completely purge adobe flash on kubuntu 10.04? uninstalled adobe flash from kpackagekit but when i go to the adobe flash test page it says i have version 10 installed
[14:35] <Bittarman> common sense = updating regularly, not using known insecure packages / scripts
[14:35] <Bittarman> and a cookie is enough to make you a part of a botnet? please
[14:37] <rapha> BUGabundo_remote: yeah i know, but that always has me hunt around for that button for 5 minutes which makes it very inconvenient, which means that I only report a tenth of the bugs I normally might report because of it.
[14:37] <BUGabundo_remote> rapha: its meant to be like that, so you use $ubuntu-bug PACKAGENAME
[14:38] <BUGabundo_remote> unless you want to report bugs without package.... and even that ... bookmark the darn link
[14:39] <patdk-wk> SandGorgon, I normally check by known network traffic, and stuff running on the machine that shouldn't be
[14:39] <patdk-wk> but I know every program that runs on the machine, and log anything that shouldn't be, and have a script that checks every min for odd programs
[14:39] <rapha> BUGabundo_remote: why can't it be square on the front page, and then you click it and it first requires you to select the package name as with bugzilla?
[14:40] <SandGorgon> patdk-wk, ahh... right... Wireshark ?
[14:40] <patdk-wk> wireshark?
[14:40] <patdk-wk> that has to be annoying as hell
[14:41] <patdk-wk> snort would be the normal one
[14:41] <SandGorgon> patdk-wk, what do you use for checking network traffic then ?
[14:41] <SandGorgon> patdk-wk, cool
[14:41] <fumanchu182> I would just like to say that if you think having a cookie on your browser makes you part of a botnet, please do us all a favor stop using Linux, cut off your fingers, and stop using computers all together, that is all.
[14:42] <thiebaude> imao
[14:42] <BUGabundo_remote> rapha: away tooooo many bugs without package info
[14:42] <rapha> BUGabundo_remote: that's why I said _require_ you to select the package.
[14:47] <ZykoticK9> xchat icon not appearing (or disappearing) from Indicator applet - any suggestions
[14:49] <andre_> My kubuntu says "Network Management Disabled" when I click the network icon
[14:49] <andre_> I had to use terminal and a wired connection to connect now to get ll updates, but it didn't fix it
[14:49] <geekphreak> hiya all
[14:50] <andre_> any ideas how to activate it again?
[14:52] <Lademord> Hey. Some command just called 'backend' is using 100% of my CPU. How do I make it stop?
[14:53] <Lademord> I just sudo killall'd it
[14:53] <thoeger> Lademord: you can always kill it throgh htop or the kill command - but have you got any idea what has started the process?
[14:53] <Reckon> Hello everybody
[14:53] <Lademord> thoeger, nope. I have a couple of screenlets on, Banshee and Firefox
[14:55] <thoeger> Lademord: a guess would be Banshee then... But that's only a wild guess.
[14:55]  * BUGabundo_remote mental notes: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[14:56] <Lademord> thoeger, well, I just killed the backend process, but Banshee is still happily playing my music
[14:56] <BUGabundo_remote> hey greate... alpha2 when I come back of hollidays :)
[14:56] <Lademord> Oh well, I'll try to narrow it down
[14:56] <thoeger> Lademord: sounds very odd indeed...
[14:59] <switch10_> What is the default font that 10.04 uses?  its just called "ubuntu" right?
[14:59]  * Oxymoron is going crazy, is it possible to change GUI for netbeans anyway? :)
[15:02] <charlie-tca> switch10_: 'ubuntu' is the font for the logos only right now
[15:10] <switch10_> charlie-tca: ok, thanks.
[15:19] <fschrat> Seems like the interface tab in the appearance preferences has been removed from Gnome. No more "editable menu shortcut keys"? :(
[15:19] <fschrat> Is it possible to enable this feature via gconf?
[15:20] <TommyThaGun> what is the CPU Frequency Scaling Policy in KDE?
[15:23] <om26er> I am here to install ubuntu on a system running windows XP the live session starts perfect without the PCI wifi but with that wifi plugged in system dont move past plymouth. PS: Just tried with karmic and it wont boot either :(
[15:23] <shadeslayer> om26er: can you tell us what error you get on the tty?
[15:23] <shadeslayer> om26er: also is the CD correctly burned?
[15:24] <om26er> shadeslayer, yes it is I installed from it fine
[15:24] <om26er> shadeslayer, I am booting again to see the tty message
[15:24] <shadeslayer> om26er: ok,well then what wifi card?
[15:24] <om26er> its tp-link win353g
[15:25] <om26er> nor win353g its wn353g
[15:25] <om26er> Xp is booting just fine
[15:29] <JohnTed> When I plug my headphones in, sound still plays from the speakers and headphones. It doesn't do this in windows. Is it too late to file a bug? Also alsamixer is different on +1 version. How do I turn off the laptop speaker, it doesn't seem to work.
[15:29] <gellmar> hello! How do I add keyboard layouts to the console and X in absence of Xorg.conf?
[15:29] <shadeslayer> om26er: um ill get back to you in 20-25 mins
[15:30] <shadeslayer> om26er: till then try googling :)
[15:30] <om26er> shadeslayer, seems it booted :-)
[15:31] <vish> om26er: was it delayed boot ? does it have a built-in webcam by any chance?
[15:32] <fschrat> OK, found it. The gconf key for "editable menu shortcut keys" is /desktop/gnome/interface/can_change_accels
[15:32] <om26er> vish, na, no webcam
[15:32]  * om26er will now install Lucid on first machine that is not his own ;-)
[15:34] <BUGabundo_remote> thanks NX for closing my 1st session, when I open a new one :(
[15:38] <charlie-tca> JohnTed: No, it is not too late to file the bug, but it may not get fixed before the release
[15:39] <BUGabundo_remote> charlie-tca: who cares anyway? in 15 days we will all be running 10.10 any ways :)
[15:40] <charlie-tca> We care! If we didn't, we wouldn't do that...
[15:41]  * charlie-tca won't run 10.10 until alpha1, too.
[15:41] <charlie-tca> you know, Xubuntu. It hates the early stuff
[15:43] <dupondje> is there a release shedule for 10.10 ? :p
[15:44] <Pici> dupondje: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MaverickReleaseSchedule
[15:44] <dupondje> thx :D
[15:45] <xamox> Is the final freeze i386 ISO avaiable?
[15:46] <BUGabundo_remote> xamox: nope
[15:46] <BUGabundo_remote> xamox: but you can get a daily and update it anytime you want until final comes out
[15:46] <BUGabundo_remote> $ man zsync :)
[15:47] <BUGabundo_remote> I probably should update my mirror too
[15:47] <xamox> BUGabundo_remote, thanks.
[15:47] <BUGabundo_remote> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-amd64.iso.zsync
[15:47] <BUGabundo_remote> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso.zsync
[15:47] <BUGabundo_remote> # DVDs
[15:47] <BUGabundo_remote> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/lucid-dvd-amd64.iso.zsync
[15:47] <BUGabundo_remote> zsync http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd/current/lucid-dvd-i386.iso.zsync
[15:47] <BUGabundo_remote> there you go
[15:47] <xamox> BUGabundo_remote, maybe you can answer this for me as well. I've seen some videos of the 10.04 ridiculously fast boot time.  Will I need to remove HAL to achieve this/
[15:47] <xamox> ?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> om26er: awesome
[15:50] <andre_> My kubuntu says "Network Management Disabled" when I click the network icon
[15:50] <andre_> I had to use terminal and a wired connection to connect now to get ll updates, but it didn't fix it
[15:50] <andre_> any ideas how to activate it again?
[15:50] <Pici> xamox: HAL should already be gone in Lucid
[15:50] <BUGabundo_remote> xamox: hope not. why would you remove hal, and expect it to be faster?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> andre_: do : killall knetworkmanagement
[15:51] <BUGabundo_remote> Pici: not from mine! :(
[15:51] <andre_> shadeslayer: no process found
[15:51] <shadeslayer> andre_: hold one sec
[15:51] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2#HAL%20removal
[15:51] <shadeslayer> andre_: do : qdbus org.kde.kded /kded loadModule networkmanagement
[15:52] <andre_> shadeslayer: I just did an killall knetworkmanager if that was what you meant
[15:52] <bwallum> Has the Medibuntu repos changed?
[15:52] <xamox> BUGabundo_remote, I read it here: http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2#HAL%20removal
[15:52] <shadeslayer> andre_: please do that to load the module
[15:52] <shadeslayer> bwallum: nope,im having problems too
[15:53] <bwallum> thanks
[15:53] <xamox> I read it wrong, I thought it said it supported the ability to remove it, instead of being gone by default
[15:53] <andre_> shadeslayer: false
[15:53] <andre_> shadeslayer: the response was "false"
[15:53] <shadeslayer> andre_: ok one sec
[15:53] <shadeslayer> andre_: are you using the plasmoid or something else?
[15:54] <andre_> shadeslayer: I have no idea :P I did a clean install with the kubuntu beta2 and updater on saturday, after a reboot the networking didn't work
[15:54] <shadeslayer> andre_: ah ok,well that was for the plasmoid actually
[15:54] <andre_> shadeslayer: I use the icon in taskbar with the clock
[15:55] <shadeslayer> andre_: do : qdbus org.kde.kded /kded loadModule networkmanager
[15:55] <andre_> shadeslayer: when i click it now it does nothing after killall networkmanager - response is still false
[15:55] <BUGabundo_remote> well, I guess its time I try to take my hal way, and make it boot under 1:40 again
[15:56] <xamox> Why were the quit, minimized, etc. Button moved?
[15:56] <shadeslayer> andre_: hmm... that means that your network manager module is not correctly loaded
[15:56] <BUGabundo_remote> UI design team decision
[15:57] <shadeslayer> andre_: do this,install : plasma-widget-networkmanagement
[15:57] <jshriver> hi
[15:57] <jshriver> What is the command to start my wireless network connection? Since the last update and reboot the icon from my top toolbar is now missing
[15:58] <andre_> shadeslayer: it removes network-manager-kde{a}
[15:58] <andre_> done
[15:58] <shadeslayer> andre_: yeah..
[15:58] <shadeslayer> andre_: ok now add the networkmanagement widget
[15:58] <shadeslayer> from add widgets...
[15:58] <andre_> shadeslayer: on the desktop?
[15:58] <shadeslayer> andre_: or would you like it in the systray?
[15:58] <andre_> yeah, on the systray would be best
[15:59] <jshriver> What is the gnome network manager? it's missing from my top toolbar now
[15:59] <shadeslayer> andre_: ah well,right click on systray and go systray settings > Plasma widgets
[16:00] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[16:00] <sipher> grub2 failed to install.
[16:00] <sipher> system is now unbootable
[16:00] <shadeslayer> andre_: add the network manager widget
[16:00] <sipher> this is the 3rd install that has had the same problem.
[16:00] <andre_> shadeslayer: ok its done :)
[16:01] <sipher> when i select Ubuntu from the NT loader...is sez file nout found
[16:01] <sipher> and reboots
[16:01] <sipher> i don't even get a grub prompt =/
[16:01] <shadeslayer> andre_: now your on a wireless connection?
[16:02] <sipher> this isn't the first time it has happened.
[16:02] <sipher> Why? Everytime ubuntu is upgraded its a fight to get it to work again?
[16:02] <sipher> its very very extremely frustrating.
[16:02] <andre_> shadeslayer: i lost the connection when the widget kickedin
[16:02] <robin0800> sipher: its beta software
[16:03] <sipher> robin that is to be released in uhh a week?
[16:03] <shadeslayer> andre_: hmm... well its supposed to do that i think... its reloading the modules
[16:03] <sipher> robin0800: I can see it already. Forum chalk loaded with this problem.
[16:03] <shadeslayer> andre_: now if your wireless is on click on the widget and click on show more
[16:03] <andre_> shadeslayer:  but it didn't work... i had to uncheck the box of networking and connecting manually again using ifconfig eth0 and dhclient
[16:03] <robin0800> sipher: 20 days
[16:04] <andre_> shadeslayer: it didn't show any networks
[16:04] <sipher> robin0800: less than 2 weeks.
[16:04] <shadeslayer> andre_: ok so its not showing any networks?
[16:04] <andre_> shadeslayer: nope
[16:04] <shadeslayer> andre_: do : qdbus org.kde.kded /kded loadModule networkmanagement
[16:04] <robin0800> sipher: nearly three weeks
[16:04] <om26er> shadeslayer, after installation cannot boot
[16:05] <om26er> shadeslayer, tty1 says: mountall: plymouth command failed
[16:05] <shadeslayer> om26er: any errors?
[16:05] <sipher> robin0800: goto ubuntu.com thats not what the site claims.
[16:05] <shadeslayer> om26er: oh that old bug...
[16:05] <andre_> shadeslayer: response was true now
[16:05] <shadeslayer> om26er: just reboot..
[16:05] <sipher> 10 days
[16:05] <shadeslayer> andre_: turn off the wireless and turn it on again
[16:06] <sipher> lol
[16:06] <andre_> shadeslayer: it's in times like this I miss the wonderful windowsfunction that if you reboot it everything works again :P
[16:06] <underdev> yeah, i get lots of crashes too, less and less with each update though
[16:06] <shadeslayer> andre_: and then you should see the networks
[16:06] <sipher> someone else with a boot issue. what a surprise.
[16:06] <sipher> ubuntu is the new windows :> Re-install once  aweek
[16:07] <underdev> a beta of 10.04 maybe, but 9.10 is solid as a rock imho
[16:07] <sipher> naw
[16:07] <sipher> everytime there is a kernel upgrade
[16:07] <underdev> lucid is not even at release canidate yet
[16:07] <sipher> something fails wtih grub .. machine is unbootable.
[16:07] <underdev> i get about 120 updates a day :)
[16:07] <om26er> shadeslayer, how many times ?
[16:07] <underdev> sipher: yeah, grub2 is a bitch
[16:07] <harry-houdini1> why is there 20 seconds of flickering on the screen and a black screen with a flashing cursor in the top left corner of the screen before grub does its thing. I think its a ubuntu issue not a bios issue but cant be sure ...anyone know
[16:08] <shadeslayer> om26er: it happens once or twice every 20-30 boots here
[16:08] <sipher> no kidding.
[16:08] <sipher> whats the solution?
[16:08] <sipher> I can't boot. no boot prompt.
[16:08] <underdev> learn grub2 like the back of your hand?
[16:08] <underdev> harry-houdini1: haven't seen that
[16:08] <sipher> ya uhh..it would be nice If it could install it.
[16:08] <charlie-tca> harry-houdini1: Try booting without 'quiet splash'
[16:08] <sipher> ubuntu cd lacks recovery
[16:09] <underdev> sipher: you can boot live
[16:09] <sipher> can pivot root to the ubuntu install
[16:09] <shadeslayer> om26er: bug 559761
[16:09] <sipher> underdev: ya..but i can't do anything from there.
[16:09] <sipher> =/
[16:09] <underdev> you can't browse the bood dir?
[16:09] <underdev> boot*
[16:09] <sipher> yes I can.
[16:09] <sipher> I can mount it..
[16:09] <underdev> okay
[16:09] <sipher> but..
[16:09] <sipher> I can't remount it as root fs
[16:09] <underdev> rt
[16:10] <andre___> shadeslayer: it now says I'm connected through wireless, but nothing more.. not what network, nor any more networks or anything
[16:10] <sipher> I know what needs to be done =/ but doesn't seem to work.
[16:10] <sipher> I need to reinstall grub...
[16:10] <shadeslayer> andre___: hmm.. how did you get that info?
[16:10] <shadeslayer> andre___: like,where are you looking at exactly?
[16:11] <sipher> it complains about missing fonts.
[16:11] <sipher> grub does..
[16:11] <harry-houdini1> om26er, i had similar problems with fsck causing ubuntu to hang i believe it has something to do with the mdraid perhaps a drive is share d on a raid card but not included in the raid on your system too? I eliminated the problem by not putting non raid members on the raid card.
[16:11] <sipher> 10.04 is being released in 10 days. I think this is a show stopping problem.
[16:11] <sipher> 2 different laptops. same problem.
[16:11] <sipher> install hangs on "Installing kernel ... "
[16:12] <sipher> Ugh.
[16:12] <sipher> so mad.
[16:12] <shadeslayer> sipher: file a bug then
[16:12] <sipher> shadeslayer: of what? I can't get any error info
[16:12] <shadeslayer> sipher: use : ubuntu-bug linux-image-<kernel version>
[16:12] <sipher> shadeslayer: the machine simply reboots.
[16:12] <harry-houdini1> bbs got to reboot to see if the non quiet no splash helps..
[16:12] <shadeslayer> sipher: its a kernel issue then
[16:13] <sipher> shadeslayer: I can see it flash fonts not found. even before the kernel loads
[16:13] <sipher> hell..
[16:13] <sipher> grub doesn't load
[16:13] <shadeslayer> sipher: grub doesnt load?
[16:13] <sipher> no.
[16:13] <sipher> no grub prompt.
[16:13] <sipher> fails before that.
[16:14] <sipher> anyway
[16:14] <andre___> shadeslayer: when i hover the icon it says connected and my ip address, and the icon shows the signal strength as usual, but when i click it the only thing showing is "Wired Ethernet: Not connected", "Wireless 802.11: Connected" and an ID-card with a lock on that says "Not Available", two checkboxes for networking and wireless, the more show more button and manage connections button, nothing more.. if i click wired, wireless or the id-card it
[16:14] <andre___>  says eth0 or wlan0... thats it
[16:17] <harry-houdini1> that worked replaced the flickering with screen full of output, but what happend to the 5 second boot  goal of this version?
[16:17] <harry-houdini1> more like 20 seconds
[16:20] <charlie-tca> That boot goal depends entirely on the system you have
[16:20] <charlie-tca> Not all of us will get 5 second boots
[16:20] <andre___> charlie-tca: who will actually?
[16:20] <charlie-tca> The person with the system they use to test it
[16:20] <Pici> That goal was for the dell mini 10 iirc.
[16:21] <Pici> I'm getting 20 second boots myself, and thats quite good for a laptop thats a few years old.
[16:21] <andre___> isn't the dell 10 mini  a netbook?
[16:21] <Pici> Yes.
[16:22] <charlie-tca> andre___: but it is a specific netbook, not a general system
[16:22] <harry-houdini1> well this is better than that and it has a raid 5 to read from well the cpu is only a celeron 1000 mhz so i guess that might be the limitation
[16:22] <harry-houdini1> how do i tell if thats the hold up?
[16:24] <Pici> harry-houdini1: You can install the bootchart package which will create charts in /var/log/bootchart/ to see what takes the most amount of time on boot.
[16:24] <gunksta> how do you change the gdm theme in Lucid. System-->Admin-->Login Screen no longer seems to have the option.
[16:24] <harry-houdini1> does that account for the cpu though?
[16:26] <BUGabundo_remote> harry-houdini1: yes
[16:26] <BUGabundo_remote> harry-houdini1: see some of mine here http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[16:26] <Pici> My latest: http://nullcortex.com/upload/romulus-lucid-20100411-1.png
[16:27] <BUGabundo_remote> Pici: rotatory disks????
[16:27] <BUGabundo_remote> I wish I had that boot time :(((
[16:27] <SultansElephant> romulus and remussss
[16:27] <SultansElephant> created Rome
[16:27] <Pici> SultansElephant: Indeed
[16:27]  * SultansElephant went to college once
[16:27] <Pici> BUGabundo_remote: yes, thats on spinning disk.
[16:28] <SultansElephant> arent all hds on a spinning disk
[16:28] <SultansElephant> or disc
[16:28] <Pici> SSDs aren't.
[16:28] <BUGabundo_remote> or flash
[16:28] <SultansElephant> you know what i meant
[16:28] <BUGabundo_remote> I wish I knew what's making mine sooooooooooooooooooooooo slow
[16:29] <SultansElephant> are those technically harddrives
[16:29] <BUGabundo_remote> so is a SSD
[16:29] <SultansElephant> is a floppy disk a harddrive
[16:29] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[16:29] <harry-houdini1> thanks i will check it out
[16:29] <SultansElephant> i cant get dropbox to work
[16:29] <SultansElephant> tear
[16:30] <BUGabundo_remote> SultansElephant: wfm
[16:30] <SultansElephant> i was an idiot and ran this long script
[16:32] <BUGabundo_remote> why?
[16:32] <BUGabundo_remote> they have a repo
[16:32] <BUGabundo_remote> just add it, install the nautilus plugin
[16:33] <BUGabundo_remote> then upgrade the client to the forum build
[16:33] <BUGabundo_remote> I should upgrade mine too
[16:34] <SultansElephant> i ran https://launchpad.net/ubuntustart/+download that thing
[16:34] <BUGabundo_remote> erkk
[16:34] <BUGabundo_remote> ubuntu one or dropbox?!?!?
[16:35] <SultansElephant> dropbox i had going for awhile
[16:35] <SultansElephant> i might just wipe
[16:35] <SultansElephant> im a serial formatter
[16:37] <mxpxpod> I just upgraded my 9.10 install on an external hard drive to 10.04 and it wiped my MBR and grub won't boot windows... does anyone have any clues as to how to fix this?
[16:37] <coc0nut> It wiped the MBR on your internal disk?
[16:38] <mxpxpod> coc0nut: yup
[16:39] <mxpxpod> coc0nut: and I don't have the windows recovery disks
[16:39] <the_student> Is the beta any good
[16:39] <joaopinto> mxpxpod, does it boot ubuntu ?
[16:39] <mxpxpod> joaopinto: yup
[16:40] <joaopinto> mxpxpod, running "sudo os-prober" should dected the windows partition
[16:40] <mxpxpod> joaopinto: there's an entry for windows in grub... but when I select it, it just reboots the computer
[16:40] <joaopinto> mxpxpod, ah :\
[16:41] <mxpxpod> and os-prober works
[16:42] <mxpxpod> joaopinto: any clues?
[16:42] <joaopinto> no idea :\
[16:42] <BUGabundo_remote> humm
[16:42] <BUGabundo_remote> can you fsck it ?
[16:42] <BUGabundo_remote> might need ntfs-tools mxpxpod
[16:42] <BUGabundo_remote> does it show the ntbootloader?
[16:42] <mxpxpod> BUGabundo_remote: how do I check?
[16:43] <gregc> Is there a way to click through notifications?  (I think I could in Karmic, but now, I often find myself unable to get to my most recent Firefox tabs...)
[16:44] <charlie-tca> the_student: yes and no
[16:44] <Mark____> for some reason my network is disabled it happened after I installed updates yesterday
[16:44] <charlie-tca> Thursday the RC will be out
[16:44] <mxpxpod> BUGabundo_remote: and I don't see ntfs-tools
[16:44] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, fixing an ntfs FS with linux tools is not a good idea
[16:45] <Mark____> can someone help??
[16:46] <Mark____> hello??
[16:46] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: not fixing: checking
[16:46] <joaopinto> Mark____, easy
[16:46] <SultansElephant> hi Mark____ : drop the self-entitlement dude
[16:46] <SultansElephant> we're just ubuntu users like you
[16:46] <SultansElephant> and microsoft spies
[16:46] <Mark____> What's easy joaopinto
[16:47] <SultansElephant> he meant "eaaaaaaaaaasyy" an american idiom for take it easy
[16:47] <SultansElephant> or calm down
[16:47] <switchgirl> patdk-wk,  further to our earlier discussion, this may interest you http://www.itworld.com/security/77499/first-linux-botnet :)
[16:48] <Mark____> well I asked a question no one responed
[16:48] <patdk-wk> switchgirl, saw that when it came out, thought it was stupid, as it has been going on for some time
[16:48] <joaopinto> Mark____, repeating will not improve that ;)
[16:48] <eagles05138785> switchgirl: caught my interest wiht that link
[16:48] <Mark____> So can someone help?
[16:49] <Pici> !patience | Mark____
[16:49] <switchgirl> eagles05138785, thanks :) ahh my years of stumbling have paid off
[16:49] <eagles05138785> switchgirl: i honestly find it hard to believe that security has been compromised though on linux
[16:49] <eagles05138785> mind if i pm you switchgirl as its offtopic for this channel
[16:50] <switchgirl> sure im going to make a cuppa bang at your keyboard inccessently i shall be back shortly
[16:50] <SultansElephant> cup of bang
[16:51] <SultansElephant> ive had a few of those in all sorts of ways
[16:51] <Mark____> what's a cup of bang?
[16:51] <SultansElephant> i dont completely understand why canonical abandoned the pidgin for two dudes kissing
[16:51] <SultansElephant> it's like the same prog
[16:51] <SultansElephant> am i wrong
[16:52] <Mark____> so no one is going to help?
[16:52] <patdk-wk> SultansElephant, you must be wrong
[16:52] <patdk-wk> cause it's pidgin on my machine :)
[16:52] <SultansElephant> empathy > pidgin
[16:52] <SultansElephant> ?
[16:52] <patdk-wk> I can't stand empathy, doesn't work for me
[16:52] <SultansElephant> sure you can install pidgin if ya want but out of the box its empathy
[16:52] <SultansElephant> im just used to pidgin
[16:52] <SultansElephant> and its awesome plugins
[16:53] <Mark____> lalalalalalalalala
[16:53] <Pici> Mark____: please stop that
[16:53] <SultansElephant> Mark____: there's no support for lucid
[16:53] <SultansElephant> youre a beta tester
[16:54] <SultansElephant> and youve been less than polite
[16:54] <bjornoba> hey all :) still working on my texture size problem making visual effects and compiz not work. is there any way i can try the c++ compiz version 0.9 ?
[16:54] <SultansElephant> see look at bjornoba's smiley face
[16:54] <SultansElephant> lol
[16:54] <bjornoba> hehe
[16:55] <SultansElephant> this mouse is finally going to the little mouse hole in the sky
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> SultansElephant: patdk-wk: pidgin is my online life!
[16:58] <patdk-wk> pidgin and xcache
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> xcache?
[16:58] <BUGabundo_remote> !info xcache
[16:58] <patdk-wk> I just wish jabber would have a mode that would direct traffic to ALL logged in, instead of just one
[16:58] <patdk-wk> xchat :)
[16:59] <SultansElephant> BUGabundo_remote: you say 'online' and 'life' as if they are two separate things
[16:59] <BUGabundo_remote> patdk-wk: I don't follow
[16:59] <patdk-wk> you don't use xmpp?
[16:59] <BUGabundo_remote> SultansElephant: I do have a life IRL
[16:59] <BUGabundo_remote> I do
[16:59] <araujo> hello there
[17:00] <patdk-wk> xmpp sends messages to the logged in account with the highest priority
[17:00] <patdk-wk> not to ALL logged in accounts
[17:00] <SultansElephant> BUGabundo_remote: you must be a mmo player to use 'IRL'
[17:00] <patdk-wk> even if prio of all logged in are the same
[17:00] <araujo> I think some of you already saw my question in #ubuntu .... I am downloading beta 2 right now, I wonder if it is easy to upgrade to stable release afterwards from it
[17:00] <SultansElephant> i wish there were some good open source mmos
[17:01] <araujo> I just don't feel like installing 9.10 since the new version is around the corner ... though I wonder about the upgrade path
[17:01] <SultansElephant> araujo: i dunno i always go with fresh install
[17:01] <BUGabundo_remote> SultansElephant: patdk-wk: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/112892/desktop.png
[17:01] <BUGabundo_remote> my desktop yesterday
[17:02] <BUGabundo_remote> patdk-wk: wrong
[17:02] <SultansElephant> dropbox is awesome
[17:02] <BUGabundo_remote> it depends on the other side server actually
[17:02] <SultansElephant> i have 100 gb package
[17:02] <Pici> !final | araujo
[17:02] <SultansElephant> you can host webpages off it, lol
[17:02] <BUGabundo_remote> it should send to ALL account
[17:02] <araujo> Thanks Pici
[17:02] <BUGabundo_remote> and then follow to the active one
[17:02] <araujo> :)
[17:02] <patdk-wk> well, that is the problem
[17:02] <SultansElephant> dropbox has my mp3s
[17:02] <patdk-wk> I log in and all of mine are active
[17:02] <BUGabundo_remote> patdk-wk: I've been using a few MUCs for general chat
[17:02] <patdk-wk> how can it follow me, when all are active
[17:03] <SultansElephant> but i bought a new exthd that should arrive today
[17:03] <BUGabundo_remote> and that does send to all my clients
[17:03] <BUGabundo_remote> you can try that if you really need it
[17:03] <BUGabundo_remote> patdk-wk: partychapp.appspotchat.com
[17:03] <BUGabundo_remote> or add patdk-wk@partychapp.appspotchat.com to your roster
[17:03] <BUGabundo_remote> and tell ppl to join that
[17:04] <BUGabundo_remote> I actually LUV that service
[17:04] <patdk-wk> people to join that? won't work
[17:04] <BUGabundo_remote> its a JID
[17:04] <BUGabundo_remote> of a MUC :)
[17:04] <patdk-wk> I have muc so that isn't an issue
[17:04] <BUGabundo_remote> hey, its you who want it to send to ALL end points
[17:04] <patdk-wk> yep
[17:04] <BUGabundo_remote> patdk-wk: this is a special muc
[17:04] <patdk-wk> so all my machines have logs
[17:05] <SultansElephant> when i grow up i want to be a default browser
[17:05] <patdk-wk> and I don't have messages waiting on my other computer, I don't see
[17:05] <patdk-wk> cause I left it idle, and didn't log off
[17:05] <BUGabundo_remote> gtalk has logs :)
[17:05] <patdk-wk> pidgin has logs
[17:05] <BUGabundo_remote> or use your own XMPP server and keep the logs
[17:06] <patdk-wk> and I use my own xmpp server
[17:06] <patdk-wk> but that doesn't help the wrong computer having the message
[17:06] <BUGabundo_remote> well this is OT
[17:06] <BUGabundo_remote> add me at BUGabundo@partychapp.appspotchat.com
[17:06] <BUGabundo_remote> lol
[17:06] <BUGabundo_remote> and we can chat
[17:07] <SultansElephant> why does chrome have such a gigantic bar
[17:08] <BUGabundo_remote> chrome? no idea. I use chromium
[17:08] <xXedixXx> Hello
[17:09] <xXedixXx> I'm trying to install 10.04 but I'm getting an error on the installing software part.
[17:09] <SultansElephant> xXedixXx: using what
[17:12] <charlie-tca> xXedixXx: is that today's image?
[17:12] <xXedixXx> Using update manager.
[17:12] <Bittarman> shouldn't the first question you guys ask be "whats the error"??????????????!?!?!?!
[17:12] <Bittarman> or are you all psychic?F
[17:12] <xXedixXx> It's something to do with open office
[17:12] <xXedixXx> It has a dependant.
[17:13] <xXedixXx> Or some shizzel.
[17:13] <charlie-tca> Bittarman: no
[17:13] <xXedixXx> So I might try uninstalling it.
[17:13] <charlie-tca> Bittarman: many errors are known, for that day's image or version of Ubuntu
[17:14] <Bittarman> and that helps you with the unknowns, and user-land problems?
[17:14] <SultansElephant> Bittarman: No one here is an employee of Ubuntu
[17:14] <SultansElephant> !etiquette | Bittarman
[17:14] <eagles05138785> Bittarman: not necessarily as hes trying to do a clean install we would need to determine if the iso is one of todays images or a previous one then we go from there and im not an employee of ubuntu
[17:14] <eagles05138785> either
[17:16] <xXedixXx> So...
[17:16] <xXedixXx> How stable is 10.04?
[17:17] <Bittarman> SultansElephant, actually, I was refering to the last part there.... "use common sense" find out if its actually a related error first, and ask the rest after
[17:17] <Bittarman> xXedixXx, its beta... so kinda ;)
[17:17] <charlie-tca> xXedixXx: should be getting real stable this week, since we are going to RC Thursday
[17:17] <duffydack> What kind of difference you think there will be between the beta2 iso and RC iso in terms of zsync.. too much that it will be no quicker than getting the full iso ?
[17:18] <eagles05138785> duffydack: if you are already on it you just apt-get update apt-get upgrade
[17:18] <eagles05138785> and youll be on the rc
[17:18] <xXedixXx> Wo0t
[17:18] <xXedixXx> :P
[17:18] <duffydack> yeah, i know, im just wondering..
[17:18] <xXedixXx> Now I will try to install again, I've uninstalled OpenOffice.
[17:18] <duffydack> will need the iso to install elsewhere....
[17:19] <xXedixXx> Closing IRC, I'll be back soon if it hasn't worked :P
[17:19] <charlie-tca> duffydack: I rsync daily
[17:19] <eagles05138785> duffydack: if you have a beta or alpha iso just install that and update
[17:19] <eagles05138785> for karmic i was using the alpha 6 cd to install then upgrade to stable
[17:19] <duffydack> charlie-tca,  rsync?
[17:20] <duffydack> charlie-tca,  not zsync?
[17:20] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:20] <charlie-tca> I don't use zsync, since I set up a while back to rsync 10 images every day
[17:20] <eagles05138785> charlie-tca: how long do all mirrors take to sync after stuff has been updated on main servers?
[17:21] <charlie-tca> depends on the mirror
[17:21] <eagles05138785> ok :(
[17:21] <kjdash> has anyone experienced bash variable problems with /etc/profile.d ?
[17:21] <eagles05138785> now i know why then i hate using my local mirror
[17:21] <charlie-tca> Usually, within 2-4 hours, though
[17:21] <kjdash> mine appear to have the first 32 characters truncated
[17:21] <jpds> charlie-tca: No, six.
[17:21] <charlie-tca> And for some, three dayus
[17:22] <charlie-tca> s/dayus/days
[17:22] <duffydack> I didnt know you could use rsync with the isos.
[17:22] <eagles05138785> done some research and local mirror is on a 2Mbps connection charlie-tca
[17:22] <jpds> Well, every 6 hours is what we ask people to do.
[17:22] <duffydack> I mean, doesnt that get the whole thing again?
[17:22] <charlie-tca> duffydack: what?
[17:23] <jpds> eagles05138785: Interesting.
[17:23] <duffydack> charlie-tca, i dont get what you are sync`in?
[17:23] <eagles05138785> jpds: i dont know how ubuntu hasnt asked the people in charge of the local mirror to up the connection speed
[17:23] <eagles05138785> i normally end up switching to the us or the main servers up in the uk as those are the next closest
[17:23] <eagles05138785> besides ones in italy
[17:23] <charlie-tca> duffydack: I simply use rsync instead of zsync to update my images
[17:23] <jpds> eagles05138785: Because it's not our business?
[17:24] <eagles05138785> jpds: ya doesnt ubuntu specify a minimum speed requirement for the mirror
[17:24] <shadeslayer> eagles05138785: i would actually switch to my local mirror for the next 20 days or so
[17:24] <jpds> For some countries, yes.
[17:24] <eagles05138785> shadeslayer: ?
[17:24] <jpds> eagles05138785: A 2Mbps mirror wouldn't stand a chance in the US.
[17:24] <shadeslayer> eagles05138785: heavy load on main servers... updates....
[17:24] <eagles05138785> jpds: it doesnt here either tbh
[17:24] <jpds> eagles05138785: In Africa, that's a hell of a fat-pipe.
[17:24] <charlie-tca> duffydack: rsync makes the server work hard, zsync makes the client (your system) take the workload
[17:24] <eagles05138785> im on the island of malta
[17:25] <shadeslayer> eagles05138785: :P
[17:25] <eagles05138785> my download speed is less then 100kbps from local mirror
[17:25] <eagles05138785> 30-50kbps
[17:25] <shadeslayer> eagles05138785: welcome to my world :D
[17:25] <duffydack> charlie-tca,  ah.
[17:25] <charlie-tca> eagles05138785: that's why I have mine do the updates at 5am
[17:25] <charlie-tca> When I get up, they are done or almost done
[17:25] <eagles05138785> charlie-tca: my server is fine with the local mirror
[17:26] <eagles05138785> aactually speaking of i need to update it, the problem becomes my vm
[17:26] <SultansElephant> is there anyway to disable a part with swap
[17:26] <charlie-tca> SultansElephant: swapoff ?
[17:26] <shadeslayer> SultansElephant: swapoff?
[17:26] <SultansElephant> thanks prod
[17:26] <SultansElephant> pros
[17:27] <kjdash> anyone willing to help me verify an /etc/profile.d problem?
[17:28]  * eagles05138785 sarcastically cheers at a 58,8kbps download speed of apt-get update on the server
[17:28] <the_student> Is the beta any good
[17:28] <shadeslayer> the_student: yo
[17:29] <the_student> yes?
[17:29] <jpds> eagles05138785: The only thing you can do is ask them to up their bandwidth.
[17:29] <shadeslayer> the_student: what version are you on?
[17:29] <eagles05138785> jpds: ya ill have to i think its the local user group thats in charge of it
[17:29] <shadeslayer> the_student: 9.10?
[17:30] <the_student> Talking about 10.04
[17:30] <the_student> - Beta
[17:30] <shadeslayer> the_student: no i mean are you on 9.10?
[17:30] <the_student> Currently I am on W7
[17:30] <shadeslayer> the_student: oh cool!
[17:31] <shadeslayer> the_student: well ubuntu 10.04 is mighty stable right now...
[17:31] <shadeslayer> the_student: same goes for kubuntu 10.04 as well
[17:31] <BUGabundo_remote> charlie-tca: blasfemy!!! you are not using zsync !?!?!?
[17:31] <the_student> Thinking about dual booting, using Wubi to install, then LVPM to move it to a physical part
[17:32] <VoJe> Hello. Is it usual that i have only 50 MB/4000MB ram free during "regular use" for me (browser, bt-client, exaile, awn, guake, xchat, evolution on different workspaces) on the latest 10.04 build?
[17:32] <shadeslayer> the_student: well i would suggest that you do a wubi install to just try out ubuntu,then do a proper install :)
[17:32] <VoJe> The rest is used on cache etc..
[17:32] <shadeslayer> the_student: dual boot of course
[17:32] <BUGabundo_remote> charlie-tca: nvm... already read it !!! client load
[17:33] <shadeslayer> the_student: oh and we have a new maunal!
[17:33] <shadeslayer> *manual
[17:33] <shadeslayer> !manual | the_student
[17:33] <the_student> shadeslayer: I have tried ubuntu before
[17:33] <shadeslayer> the_student: oh :)
[17:33] <SultansElephant> windows 7's free apps are pretty sweet
[17:33] <SultansElephant> i like Windows Live Writer
[17:34] <shadeslayer> SultansElephant: this is a ubuntu channel,try #windows
[17:34] <SwedeMike> VoJe: it's normal that all free mmory is used for buffers/cache, yes. almost all, that is.
[17:34] <evident> hi everybody... after updating to 10.04 the minimize, maximize and close buttons on every window are on the left side... could anybody please tell me how to switch them back?
[17:34] <Reckon> shadeslayer, a new manual? where?
[17:34] <shadeslayer> Reckon: ubuntu-manual.org
[17:34] <SultansElephant> shadeslayer: well, i use ScribeFire firefox add on is just as good as windows live writer
[17:34] <Reckon> let me check it
[17:34] <SultansElephant> lol
[17:34]  * eagles05138785 grabs the local mirror by the neck
[17:34] <ZykoticK9> !controls | evident
[17:35] <Reckon> shadeslayer, ummm, any advanced manual for admins available yet?
[17:36] <the_student> BTW after converting a Wubi vdisk into a partition, how do i install grub2, keeping W7 BootLoader
[17:36] <harry-houdini1> hello anyone able to tell me where bootchartd is located in ubuntu+1 (after install ) its nowhere to be found and it doesnt create the log
[17:36] <SultansElephant> http://www.snitch.name/ that search engine is crazy
[17:37] <VoJe> Ok. But does that mean that when i have 50 MB left, the computer will crash if i start a new versino of firefox f.ex? Is the memory full, or does it store information that is not so important, so that it can delete the unused/unimportant information?
[17:37] <the_student> VoJe: The last one
[17:38] <VoJe> Ok. I see, so there is no shortage of memory on my computer?
[17:38] <ZykoticK9> harry-houdini1, /usr/bin/bootchart -- no bootchartd on my system (but the logs are being created)
[17:38] <the_student> VoJe: Shouldn't be, linux prefetches/caches alot
[17:38] <shadeslayer> Reckon: theres the wiki...
[17:39] <wasabiii> So... jockey won't set up NVidia drivers for me. Anything I have to do?
[17:39] <harry-houdini1> must be magic
[17:39] <wasabiii> Basically just says no propriatary drivers installed.
[17:40] <shadeslayer> wasabiii: what card?
[17:40] <wasabiii> Eh. Good question. Worked in Karmic. let me check.
[17:40] <VoJe> ok. But, i have a big Swap disk, but it's never in use. Is that because there is no need at all?
[17:40] <wasabiii> Detected an NV50 generation card
[17:40] <shadeslayer> wasabiii: ( i personally like the nouveau drivers )
[17:40] <wasabiii> woh. my cursor just disappeared. hmm.
[17:40] <charlie-tca> wasabiii: try restarting already?
[17:40] <the_student> After converting a Wubi vdisk into a partition, how do i install grub2, keeping W7 BootLoader
[17:40] <wasabiii> Yeah.
[17:41] <shadeslayer> wasabiii: i use the xorg edgers ppa... so 3 D works too
[17:41] <Reckon> wow, I think I've just found out a bug
[17:41] <Reckon> where is the bug list?
[17:41] <wasabiii> Well... I'm guessing the official 185 drivers SHOULD work, right?
[17:41] <shadeslayer> Reckon: nice!
[17:42] <shadeslayer> Reckon: bugs.launchpad.net
[17:42] <charlie-tca> Reckon: Yay! another one found
[17:42] <shadeslayer> wasabiii: hmm.. depends
[17:42] <wasabiii> if I hand write xorg.conf, I can get them loaded.
[17:42] <wasabiii> but i'm not in the mood to do that anymore. :)
[17:42] <shadeslayer> wasabiii: theres a list of supported cards,your either supported or not
[17:42] <wasabiii> jockey used to do it right
[17:42] <shadeslayer> wasabiii: i have a xorg.conf backed up here
[17:43] <the_student> Where is wubi 10.04 beta?
[17:43] <shadeslayer> wasabiii: http://paste.ubuntu.com/418703/
[17:43] <shadeslayer> !wubi | the_student
[17:43] <wasabiii> that's quite alright. I'm not just trying to get it to work.
[17:43] <wasabiii> I'm trying to get it to work right.
[17:43] <araujo> wasabiii, i have a nvs 3100 and it works fine with proprietary
[17:44] <sipher> I used Wubi to install Ubuntu. I ran the upgrade and now can't boot into Ubuntu. Any help would be appreciated.
[17:44] <shadeslayer> sipher: any errors?
[17:44] <sipher> I'm tried mounting the root disk, and chrooting to it. No go.
[17:44] <sipher> shadeslayer: grub complains about missing font file
[17:44] <shadeslayer> sipher: also what kernel?
[17:44] <sipher> doesn't even get to the part where it boots the kernel
[17:45] <shadeslayer> sipher: can you tell me the exact error and the kernel version?
[17:45] <sipher> no grub primpt
[17:45] <the_student> Sipher: Tried hitting esc?
[17:45] <sipher> the kernel doesn't load. I can't really see the error. but it's sez: error: file not found
[17:45] <sipher> then reboots
[17:45] <sipher> the_student: yes. nothing.
[17:46] <sipher> shadeslayer: I know that error could be anything. But thats all it displays.
[17:46] <the_student> sipher: Any other OS with access
[17:46] <sipher> yes
[17:46] <sipher> Windows 7
[17:46] <shadeslayer> sipher: can you tell me the kernel version?
[17:46] <sipher> 2.6.32
[17:46] <sipher> -11
[17:46] <sipher> I think
[17:46] <sipher> shadeslayer: but again..the kernel does even start to load.
[17:46] <the_student> sipher: Dows W7 have access to /boot?
[17:47] <sipher> the_student: no, but I can boot from the LiveCD
[17:47] <shadeslayer> sipher: uh.. thats very old... -21 is the latest
[17:47] <sipher> and mount it.
[17:47] <the_student> shadeslayer: Problem seems to be grub
[17:47] <the_student> sipher: Try that
[17:47] <shadeslayer> the_student: hmmm
[17:47] <sipher> shadeslayer: whatever version is include with ubuntu 10.04 is what i have
[17:47] <d34dh4ck> could you use the live cd and reinstall grub?
[17:47] <sipher> the_student: I know the problem is with grub.
[17:47] <shadeslayer> the_student: i dont think we have grub with wubi
[17:47] <charlie-tca> hold right-shift during boot, see if you can get the grub menu
[17:47] <sipher> d34dh4ck: yes. But I can't seem to get it to change the root directory
[17:48] <sipher> charlie-tca: I don't get a grub menu.
[17:48] <shadeslayer> sipher: btw how did you chroot into the install? ( i think we cant chroot into wubi installs )
[17:48] <sipher> shadeslayer: yes you can.
[17:48] <d34dh4ck> hmm...can you use live cd, then chroot into your install, then reinstall grub that way might detect things better that way
[17:49] <shadeslayer> sipher: hmmm.. never tried it :)
[17:49] <sipher> shadeslayer: you mount the fs as a loop
[17:49] <the_student> sipher: My guess some file is missing, and grub doesn't recover from it properly
[17:49] <sipher> d34dh4ck: ya, but thats not working.
[17:49] <sipher> d34dh4ck: if you could explain with more details.
[17:49] <shadeslayer> sipher: hmm.. ive chrooted a full install.. took 5-6 commands
[17:49] <sipher> d34dh4ck: I've tried quite a few things but none works.
[17:49] <sipher> shadeslayer: yes, as have I. but its not working.
[17:49] <the_student> sipher: Try to mount root, and list grub config
[17:50] <d34dh4ck> hmm...im not too up to speed with wubi cause i have never used it...
[17:50] <shadeslayer> sipher: whats the error?
[17:50] <sipher> so.. /dev/sda1 is the windows partition..
[17:50] <sipher> mkdir /win
[17:50] <sipher> mount /dev/sda1 /win
[17:50] <sipher> mount -o loop /win/ubuntu/disks/root.disk /vdisk
[17:50] <sipher> now from here..
[17:50] <Reckon> had to reboot
[17:51] <sipher> ./vdisk is the ubuntu 10.04
[17:51] <sipher> I've tried remounting it..
[17:51] <sipher> mount -n -o remount,defaults / /vdisk
[17:51] <sipher> no error
[17:51] <sipher> but it doesn't mount
[17:51] <sipher> it still shows aufs on / (rw)
[17:52] <Reckon> anybody knows if gnome-session can be executed in a console?
[17:52] <sipher> Reckon: no.
[17:52] <albertito> Reckon: real console, or an X terminal?
[17:52] <Reckon> no, so the expected behaviour is to get the system hanged?
[17:53] <sipher> d34dh4ck: wubi is the same thing. Just a loop back devices on the ntfs volume.
[17:53] <ZykoticK9> the_student, GRUB2 will typically install to the MBR (where windows 7 boot manager is currently), there is a way to install Grub to a partition though [never done it] or copy some of the boot into Windows 7 boot manager [certainly never do this].  But why would you want too?  Best of luck man.
[17:53] <sipher> d34dh4ck: the only difference is the grub paramters include Loop options.
[17:54] <the_student> ZykoticK9: to dual boot
[17:54] <ZykoticK9> the_student, grub2 can boot linux/windows in a dual boot
[17:54] <d34dh4ck> sipher: i thought so but wasn´t sure, can you manually select things withv the wubi installer (ie just skip to install bootloader) maybe the wubi installer has some specific way of setting up grub
[17:55] <d34dh4ck> as far as locations etc etc
[17:55] <the_student> ZykoticK9: Does it backup the W7 loader?
[17:55] <sipher> d34dh4ck: I already had the OS installed. I upgrade to 10.04
[17:55] <lucitu_> Kubuntu would look much nicer if the theme is consistent with the Kubuntu logo/splash imho
[17:55] <ZykoticK9> the_student, doubt it - it replaces it
[17:55] <sipher> d34dh4ck: I don't want to have to re-install...again. which seems to be a revolving door with ubuntu
[17:55] <sipher> re-install everytime the kernel gets upgrade
[17:55] <sipher> for a reason or another.
[17:56] <the_student> ZykoticK9: But if it replaces it fully, it can't dual boot
[17:56] <ZykoticK9> the_student, actually yes you can - Grub2 can boot linux/windows.
[17:56] <sipher> the_student: it should detect and add the windows partition to the boot menu options.
[17:57] <d34dh4ck> no no...thats why i was asking about having specific steps, i know with a lot of installers you can skip to certain steps, if you can skip to the install bootlader section...maybe you could reinstall the bootloader with the wubi installer and fix the issue
[17:57] <the_student> sipher: But does the part contain a loader too?
[17:57] <sipher> d34dh4ck: I dont think so. When the installer runs in windows it detects the other ubuntu install and wants to delete it.
[17:58] <sipher> the_student: yes. grub2 should bring you to the NT loader
[17:58] <d34dh4ck> damn...
[17:59] <sipher> brb
[18:01] <the_student> Wubi gives me a warning about \Device\Harddisk1\DR1
[18:03] <z0rt|work> dualbooting windows 7 is like stabbing yourself in the eye with an icepick
[18:03] <z0rt|work> just sayin'
[18:03] <ZykoticK9> the_student, if you are using WUBI please ignore anything that I have personally mentioned to you
[18:03] <Urda> I'm a little lost, in the 10.04 file browser, how do I switch from the silly icons to an address bar with the full system path of a given folderr
[18:03] <ZykoticK9> Urda, press /
[18:03] <ZykoticK9> Urda, there is a way to make it permanent if you wish
[18:03] <the_student> ZykoticK9: Using Wubi to install, will transfer install to partition later
[18:03] <sipher> z0rt|work: well, thank god for windows 7. Ubuntu FAILS on every upgrade.
[18:04] <Urda> ZykoticK9: How do I make it permanent, I must be overlooking an option :\
[18:04] <ZykoticK9> Urda, gconf key at http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/location-bar-in-nautilus
[18:05] <z0rt|work> sipher: no i mean getting it to play nice with multiple operating systems
[18:05] <d34dh4ck> sipher: it appears (i know it is late for you atm) that there is an issue with upgrades and wubi you basically need to do a update-grub2 and reinstall grub2 with each kernel upgrade, at least from what im seeing with the allmighty google
[18:06] <sipher> gah.
[18:06] <sipher> d34dh4ck: do any of those articles describe how they mountedthe drive to do so?
[18:06] <d34dh4ck> can you get to the grub shell?
[18:06] <sipher> no. No grub prompt.
[18:07] <sipher> it fails before it loads grub
[18:08] <evident> ok thanks for the help... :D
[18:08] <evident>  works
[18:08] <Urda> ZykoticK9: aw man why did they yank it out in 10.04! No wonder why I couldn't find it lol
[18:08] <d34dh4ck> most of these people in these posts was getting dropped to a grub prompt, ill keep digging for a few, but i gotta get ready for a wake in a bit...
[18:08] <ZykoticK9> Urda, design decision
[18:08] <sipher> d34dh4ck: thanks :>
[18:08] <Urda> ZykoticK9: Thought I was going crazy :-\
[18:09] <d34dh4ck> wait....do you have a live cd with grub and not isolinux?
[18:09] <Urda> ZykoticK9: thank you so much for the pointer, I will have to add this to my cheatsheet
[18:10] <d34dh4ck> i think the archlinux net install disks do
[18:10] <sipher> d34dh4ck: I have the ubuntu 9.10 cd
[18:10] <skeebo> When I first plugged in my ipod on Lucid it showed up in rythmbox and everything worked fine, at some point though, when the dialogue appeared asking what to do when I plug it in, I must have selected "do nothing", which results in my ipod not being mounted or shown at all in nautilus or rhythmbox. What should I do to get my ipod to auto-mount correctly again?
[18:10] <d34dh4ck> you could use them to get to a grub prompt and try this http://www.omaregan.com/?p=583
[18:11] <sipher> how do I get the grub prompt booting from cd?
[18:11] <sipher> that does look promising
[18:12] <d34dh4ck> i thought the ubuntu disks were isolinux, never really paid attention...lol...when it brings up the grub menu for the cd you could actually just edit its boot lines like those
[18:13] <sipher> ya, but what key do I press? I could see any way to get to edit the boot parameters
[18:13] <sipher> couldn't
[18:13] <skeebo> can anyone help me out with this, my ipod used to mount and show up in nautilus / rhythmbox just fine, since I selected do nothing at the dialogue box it won't auto-mount at all. how can I change this back?
[18:14] <sipher> d34dh4ck: be back, gona give this a try.
[18:15] <d34dh4ck> ok...ubuntu uses isolinux, dont help you here....hang on ill find the image for arch that has grub (real small disk cause its a net install) then you hit e to edit the lines
[18:15] <d34dh4ck> damn....he left
[18:17] <d34dh4ck> i gotta get ready would someone mind sending him what i just sent him and this link http://archlinux.mirror.kangaroot.net/iso/2009.08/archlinux-2009.08-netinstall-i686.iso when he returns?
[18:18] <skeebo> d34dh4ck: if im here np
[18:18] <d34dh4ck> thanks...that /should/ at least get him back into his install
[18:18] <CT1> Hi all.  Is there a working alternative to the poorly written adobe flash player? <rant>full-screen goes to the wrong monitor with twinview and leaves fullscreen when it looses focus. all stuff that adobe know about in their "issues" page but don't fix because we are a minority</rant>
[18:19] <the_student> CT1: gnash
[18:20] <CT1> the_student:  Thanks. I'll look it up :)
[18:20] <skeebo> can anyone tell me how to manually mount my ipod? it would mount fine at first, but I chose "do nothing" on the dialogue that pops up at one point, now I can't get it to show up in nautilus
[18:21] <the_student> skeebo: Try manually starting rhytmbox
[18:22] <skeebo> the_student: i have done that, but I realised that if it isn't showing up in nautilus, then rythmbox can't be aware of it either. Which was my logic of why restarting rythmbox didn't work
[18:23] <the_student> look under settings
[18:23] <Damascene> am I supposed to loose my X11 session when I switch to tty?
[18:23] <skeebo> the_student: in rythmbox?
[18:24] <the_student> Damascene: No
[18:24] <the_student> skeebo: in ubuntu
[18:25] <skeebo> the_student: I checked everything GUI related to see if there was a way to "reset" my preference.....to no avail.
[18:26] <the_student> skeebo: Nothing in pref for autorun or something like that
[18:26] <the_student> ?
[18:26] <bwallum> Why is medibuntu repo down so long?
[18:27] <skeebo> the_student: I know I am part of the fuse group, because rythmbox detected my ipod before all this, so there is no group issue / mounting issue, and no there is no autorun configuration that I could find
[18:27] <charlie-tca> bwallum: it has been up and down for a couple of days.
[18:27] <bwallum> all down to me
[18:28] <ZykoticK9> bwallum, see https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/565810
[18:28] <ZykoticK9> bwallum, for work-around see http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[18:28] <lucitu_> Damascene: no.. unless you stop gdm/kdm
[18:28] <Damascene> :S
[18:28] <Damascene> i'll try now
[18:28] <bwallum> ZykoticK9, thank you
[18:28] <lucitu_> Damascene: you get back to it by alt+f7 or f8?
[18:29] <coachj> looking
[18:29] <ZykoticK9> coachj, you need to add the partner repo -- see blue note on top of http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/java for instructions
[18:29] <Damascene> that happened but I lost my session
[18:29] <coachj> ok
[18:29] <skeebo> the_student: thanks anyways, I guess I'll start looking for how the auto-run prompt works and where it rights configuration choices too....
[18:30] <coachj> doesnt sound too difficult
[18:31] <Ken8521> release candidate looks slick... i clean installed it.. the nvidia problem is fixed
[18:31] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, RC doesn't come out for 3 more days
[18:32] <Ken8521> they posted a link to it on ubuntuforums
[18:32] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, daily maybe
[18:32] <coachj> Zykotick9: so now do I install that package?
[18:32] <Ken8521> dunno,  they said it was the release candidate
[18:33] <ZykoticK9> coachj, once you add the repo - sudo apt-get update -- then you'll find sun-java6-jre as an installable package
[18:33] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1457964
[18:33] <coachj> ZykoticK9: Failed to fetch http://packages.medibuntu.org/dists/lucid/Release.gpg  Could not connect to packages.medibuntu.org:80 (88.191.82.11). - connect (110: Connection timed out)
[18:33] <Ken8521> ah, i guess it does say this thursday
[18:33] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, first line says "We are in Final Freeze, and the Release Candidate for Ubuntu 10.04 will be out this Thursday"
[18:33] <Ken8521> :)
[18:33] <Ken8521> well, it's working fine.. :)
[18:34] <Ken8521> although medibuntu has been down all day
[18:34] <ZykoticK9> coachj, that's due to medibuntu being down - simplest work around is uncheck it from Software Sources
[18:35] <vish> 1test
[18:35] <vish> !test
[18:35] <ZykoticK9> coachj, Ken8521 bug #565810
[18:35] <coachj> taht worked
[18:35] <Ken8521> a bug, huh?.. i just figured the server was taking a dump
[18:36] <coachj> ZykoticK9: thls
[18:36] <ZykoticK9> coachj, thls?
[18:36] <coachj> thanks.
[18:36] <coachj> lol
[18:36] <ZykoticK9> coachj, glad to help
[18:37] <Ken8521> whats the indicator applet you remove, to remove that stupid envelope.. i hate that thing
[18:37] <Ken8521> is it indicator-me?
[18:37] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, not me no -- see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/remove-mail-icon-leave-volume-control
[18:38] <Ken8521> cool
[18:40] <coachj> ZykoticK9: do you know why I might get a can't lock device when trying access a camera or mp3 player?
[18:40] <om26er> this line is for grub1 defoptions=debug ignore_loglevel where do I put it in grub2?
[18:40] <om26er> (permanently)
[18:41] <ZykoticK9> coachj, sorry no idea.  Good luck.
[18:42] <coachj> ok
[18:44]  * om26er thinks that was a silly question, figured it out :)
[18:45] <vish> !isitoutyet
[18:45] <Ken8521> For those of you w/ the Medibuntu issue....  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9143657&postcount=121
[18:45] <vish> grr , anyone remember the factoid
[18:45] <Ken8521> then after that, add the medibuntu keyring that is on the medibuntu repository howto
[18:45] <ZykoticK9> om26er, /etc/default/grub perhaps?
[18:46] <ZykoticK9> vish, !isitout
[18:46] <om26er> ZykoticK9, I edited /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[18:46] <hellyeah> still all compiz plugin doesnt work on ubuntu lucid
[18:46] <charlie-tca> !outyet
[18:47] <charlie-tca> vish: ^ ^ ^
[18:47] <vish> ah , thanks charlie-tca :)
[18:47] <ZykoticK9> om26er, bad om26er!  :)  and doesn't that file state NOT to edit it?
[18:48] <charlie-tca> vish: no problem
[18:48] <bwallum> I think all three Medibuntu mirrors are empty... anybody received any updates from them over the past two days?
[18:49] <om26er> ZykoticK9, it lie ;-)
[18:49] <charlie-tca> bwallum: yes
[18:49] <ZykoticK9> bwallum, work around at http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[18:50] <bwallum> ZykoticK9, I followed that and tried all three mirrors... nothing from them
[18:50] <h00k> bwallum: they're down right now, afaik
[18:50] <ZykoticK9> bwallum, i actually haven't even tried it - i'm just patiently waiting myself
[18:51] <h00k> oh, look, a link stating the obvious
[18:51] <bwallum> not good if it's down for legal reasons...
[18:52] <ZykoticK9> bwallum, don't think it's for legal reason - hope not -- see bug #565810
[18:54] <Ken8521> i used the link i posted just a minute ago, and it worked just fine to install codecs, libdvdcss2, etc
[18:54] <thiebaude> bug 552316
[18:54] <Ken8521> i hope its not really a legal issue.
[18:54] <BluesKaj> interesting , I reinstalled NM and it works ...again , finally
[18:55] <thiebaude> time for me to re-install 10.04 because im tired of wondows 7
[18:55] <Ken8521> i wish the skype developers would hire more linux help and get the skype version of Linux current
[18:55] <thiebaude> :)
[18:55] <thiebaude> windows
[18:55] <Ken8521> 7 isn't to bad... i don't like it, just cuz i don't like Windows, but its not bad.
[18:56] <thiebaude> its the best windows they made imho
[18:56] <Ken8521> XP was pretty good,.. had its flaws, and i'm sure 7 will to... but i liked XP
[18:56] <Ken8521> i keep it in Vbox to sync my zune, and thats it.
[18:56] <BluesKaj> thiebaude, i have W7 on this laptop for wifey, altho she ends up running kubuntu for surfing etc
[18:57] <Ken8521> ugh... kubuntu
[18:57] <thiebaude> maybe i should do a dual boot guys
[18:57] <bwallum> I can't see out of my windows now, too many cobwebs...
[18:57] <Ken8521> i'd rather let rosie odonnell don some golf cleats and stomp on my face for a while
[18:57] <thiebaude> i need to decide what i want to do
[18:57] <thiebaude> the iso is already on cd
[18:58] <thiebaude> ready
[18:58] <BluesKaj> to each his own Ken8521 , I find gnome too cartoney
[18:58] <Ken8521> virtualbox?
[18:58] <BluesKaj> cartooney
[18:58] <thiebaude> 2gb
[18:58] <thiebaude> here
[18:58] <Ken8521> BluesKaj, really?.. more cartooney than KDE?.. i find that impossible
[18:58] <Ken8521> thiebaude, it'll probalby run w/ 2gigs
[18:58] <BluesKaj> impossiblr for you , easy for me , Ken8521 :)
[18:59] <Ken8521> well, thank God for chioice
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Xubuntu will install in 2gb easy
[18:59] <thiebaude> but see if i dual boot then when i want to shut down i can just go into windows to do that
[18:59] <Ken8521> charlie-tca, so will gnome.
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Not the last time I tried
[18:59] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu took 3.5 gb, Xubuntu took 1.5
[18:59] <BluesKaj> Ken8521, Amen
[19:00] <Ken8521> thiebaude, you can do whatever you like obviously.. i used to always dual boot.. then figured out virtualbox, and i think its awesome.. i fire up xp when I need it(which isn't often), and shut it down.
[19:00] <Ken8521> when i'm done
[19:00] <thiebaude> cool thanks
[19:00] <BluesKaj> that's the beauty of linux
[19:00] <thiebaude> yes i agree among other things
[19:00] <Ken8521> BluesKaj, i agree w/ that... its not some big shot sitting in Washington saying, "Well, this is the GUI they get cuz i like it"
[19:01] <lapion> well this is the gui you should use because you can clean it with regular green soap..
[19:02] <thiebaude> i have xp but i dont have the etehrnet drivers for it
[19:02] <thiebaude> ethernet
[19:02] <BluesKaj> bbl.. tree trimmers are here
[19:02] <thiebaude> xp on disc that is
[19:03] <majnoon> they get medibuntu running yet ??
[19:03] <thiebaude> its down?
[19:03] <ZykoticK9> majnoon, nope
[19:03] <majnoon> :(
[19:03] <Ken8521> majnoon, there's workarounds
[19:03] <oneirosFade> LOL, nice name, majnoon
[19:03] <thiebaude> thats the thing i need when i install 10.04
[19:04] <thiebaude> medibuntu
[19:04] <majnoon> i'll watch this dvd in windoze then reboot into linux then
[19:04] <kallisti5> so how about those damn buttons on the left?
[19:04] <Ken8521> majnoon, http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9143657&postcount=121
[19:04] <thiebaude> i can watch dvd's in ubuntu
[19:04] <thiebaude> :)
[19:04] <ZykoticK9> !controls | kallisti5
[19:04] <Ken8521> kallisti5, lol... thats an easy fix.
[19:04] <kallisti5> yeah but its annoying as crap
[19:05] <Ken8521> yeah it is
[19:05] <Ken8521> i have no idea what provoked them to do that
[19:05] <oneirosFade> Oh, yeah, forgot about the whole button-move issue.  I guess I'm using a theme that's got em on the right, because they never switched for me
[19:05] <thiebaude> wish they would change it back in an update
[19:05] <kallisti5> when I install 30-40 workstations... i got to run the gnome setting editor on every system?
[19:05] <kallisti5> that lame-sauce
[19:05] <Ken8521> lol
[19:05] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, buttons are not tied to themes (part of the issue really)
[19:05] <Ken8521> thiebaude, its not that hard to change.. but kallisti5 has a valid complaint
[19:05] <oneirosFade> Hm, odd then
[19:05] <charlie-tca> kallisti5: why not let the users get used to the move?
[19:05] <thiebaude> yep i did it before,lol
[19:06] <h00k> ZykoticK9: they are, afaik, if you switch them now, the buttons move too
[19:06] <majnoon> Ken8521, let me reboot then im the link to me ??
[19:06] <kallisti5> charlie-tca: why not leave crap alone?
[19:06] <Ken8521> majnoon, ok
[19:06] <ZykoticK9> h00k, really - oh man that's a good move!
[19:06] <majnoon> thanks
[19:06] <h00k> ZykoticK9: themes, I mean. I think, give it a try
[19:06] <thiebaude> changed it around to the 'proper' place it should be
[19:06] <thiebaude> but i do love the look of 10.04
[19:06] <thiebaude> :)
[19:06] <kallisti5> charlie-tca: ubuntu has gone through countless releases, then on Mark's whim..   you make this huge ass change that requires lots of manual steps to fix?
[19:07] <charlie-tca> No, I did not!
[19:07] <oneirosFade> Proper is in the eye of the user, I would think -- but as right-hand-controls have been the paradigm for so long now, and without any particular reason to change them...
[19:07] <lapion> I really like the distinction of the buttons to the lest
[19:07] <charlie-tca> !language | kallisti5
[19:07] <kallisti5> charlie-tca: What happened?  Did Mark get a shiny OS X system?
[19:07] <ZykoticK9> h00k, you are correct!  that is a BIG improvement.
[19:07] <h00k> ZykoticK9: ;)
[19:07] <kallisti5> bah.
[19:07] <charlie-tca> kallisti5: you act like I am his personal friend?
[19:07] <thiebaude> didn't mark say he wants ubuntu to look like osx?
[19:08] <kallisti5> charlie-tca: I know your not.. just really frustrating
[19:08] <Ken8521> thiebaude, lol.. is that the reason for the purple?
[19:08] <thiebaude> haha
[19:09] <ZykoticK9> kallisti5, i'm sure this is a big issue for "you" right now - but the right/left thing has been debated to death in this channel -- it's certainly a bike shed issue for sure
[19:09] <oneirosFade> Seems that the 'proper' way to introduce it would be to have an option on install/upgrade... "Hey, Mark wants you to try your buttons on the left... give it a go? (Y/n/o_O)
[19:09] <majnoon> ok in linux now
[19:09] <lapion> I like the purple..
[19:09] <thiebaude> i do too lapion
[19:09] <majnoon> Ken8521, pop me the url ??
[19:09] <kallisti5> ZykoticK9: not a bike shed issue...  its a if it ain't broke dont fix it issue.
[19:09] <Ken8521> i like the purple as well, way way better than brown
[19:09] <thiebaude> the wallpaer and all
[19:09] <gartral> lapion: yea. purple's better thatn black on light
[19:09] <kallisti5> esp in a long term release
[19:09] <h00k> kallisti5: it has been debated for a while in the dev mailing lists, the channel, et
[19:09] <ZykoticK9> kallisti5, without change things cannot improve
[19:09] <Ken8521> majnoon, add the two lines in this post to your source list  http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9143657&postcount=121
[19:09] <h00k> c
[19:10] <oneirosFade> ZykoticK9: Whole-heartedly agree, but generally speaking those changes have some sort of reasoning besides "I wanna"
[19:10] <kallisti5> ZykoticK9: what about apps that have static bindings to the right side?
[19:10] <lapion> it's a wellcome change.. however it's very similiar to the default colors of osx
[19:10] <kallisti5> ZykoticK9: like chrome, etc
[19:10] <lapion> I mean the default background color
[19:11] <Ken8521> i'd just be happy if the Linux SKype developers would get w/ it
[19:11] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, kallisti5 - I switch my buttons to the right (where i like them - that's the good thing about linux - you can customize to taste)
[19:11] <lapion> I havde a problem reading white on black
[19:11] <oneirosFade> ZykoticK9: Yerp
[19:11] <Ken8521> yeah, when i installed beta1, that was the first thing I googled, cuz i knew someone had to have figured out how to move them back
[19:11] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, kallisti5 infact the !controls factoid links to my site to change the buttons
[19:11] <kallisti5> ZykoticK9: yeah i can fix them... it's just that every freaking Ubuntu system I install now I have to go and make this silly change.. I have enough stuff to worry about installing systems.
[19:11] <majnoon> Ken8521, that an "official" unoffical mirror ??
[19:12] <lapion> so the white on a touch of purplish black is perfect
[19:12] <Ken8521> majnoon, seems odd.. all i know, is i used it, and installed w32codecs and libdvdcss and it worked fine
[19:12] <ZykoticK9> kallisti5, wait till you start using gnome-shell, now that's a change :)
[19:12] <kallisti5> ZykoticK9: what happens in a few versions when the newness wares off?  Is ubuntu going to switch to the otherside again?
[19:12] <oneirosFade> ZykoticK9: Any idea when gnome-shell will be an option under Lucid?
[19:12] <ZykoticK9> kallisti5, we're possibly on the last gnome2 based release anyways
[19:12] <kallisti5> lapion: not a bike shed issue like I said earlier
[19:13] <h00k> oneirosFade: you can always install it from the repos if you'd like.
[19:13] <Ken8521> majnoon, if it bothers you that bad, install hat you need, then remove it from your source list
[19:13] <kallisti5> ZykoticK9: does Gnome 3 have an option to change the window button sides?
[19:13] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, are you the one with the xulrunner (or similar) error?
[19:13] <kallisti5> ZykoticK9: or are they tied to the theme?
[19:13] <ZykoticK9> kallisti5, no idea
[19:13] <oneirosFade> ZykoticK9: Not xulrunner (yet) but some unmeetable dep
[19:13] <h00k> kallisti5: Gnome 3 isn't released.
[19:13] <majnoon> no i want to KEEP it :P
[19:13] <h00k> kallisti5: Lucid's theme's control button placement now. If you don't like it, change your theme.
[19:14] <thiebaude> ok bbl going to install 10.04 and have it only on my computer with nothing else:)
[19:14] <Ken8521> i just hope they don't screw it up as badly as kde4
[19:14] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, gnome-shell is working on my system, as I had it installed before the updates/deps where an issue
[19:14] <Ken8521> majnoon, why?... there's really nothing in there but codecs.. install them and remove it.
[19:14] <kallisti5> ZykoticK9: if the window button was tied to the theme, that would be all fair and fine... but jumping to this change when you have to edit the gnome settings by hand is stupid
[19:14] <h00k> kallisti5: It is tied to the theme.
[19:14] <ZykoticK9> kallisti5, i just found out a few moments ago that they now ARE!
[19:14] <lapion> kallisti5, would please state your reasons for wanting the buttons on the oppositge side ?
[19:15] <kallisti5> lapion: existing applications are designed around that placement
[19:15] <oneirosFade> ZykoticK9: That's why I was asking how I could figure out (hopefully without a lot of fuss) which custom repo was blocking the dep
[19:15] <majnoon> i keep :P
[19:15] <ZykoticK9> kallisti5, to answer lapion - just say "brain muscle"
[19:15] <majnoon> it cute :P
[19:15] <Ken8521> actually, if you change the buttons to the right in gconf-editor and choose "make mandatory".. the buttons will always be on the right
[19:15] <kallisti5> lapion: mouse movement is mostly on the right to scroll, etc
[19:15]  * lapion like to train his brain to the difference.. cdhange keeps the mind sharp
[19:16] <kallisti5> lapion: possible windows users to convert to Ubuntu is much larger then possible OS X users
[19:16] <zniavre> http://i39.tinypic.com/2poqee1.png > some body with nvidia hardware can experience the same behaviour than me?
[19:16] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, because of the xul thing i don't think you're going to be able to install gnome-shell right now.  What output do you get when trying to install?  Does it not state what the dependencies are that is missing?
[19:16] <charlie-tca> lapion: +1
[19:16] <Ken8521> zniavre, nope, mine is right.
[19:17] <oneirosFade> ZykoticK9: Ah, there we go.  It was missing libgjs0, and when I tried to install that, it yelled XULRUNNER!
[19:18] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, the xulrunner has been a pending update for weeks
[19:18] <oneirosFade> ZykoticK9: Hm, I have 1.9.1 and 1.9.2 installed, but I guess it wants something else
[19:18] <lapion> most people want to know that they have something different when they get something else
[19:19] <majnoon> it works \o/
[19:20] <oneirosFade> majnoon: Can I ask why you picked that nick?
[19:20] <majnoon> <--is nuts
[19:20] <oneirosFade> Are you Arabic?
[19:20] <majnoon> i DO know what it means
[19:20] <zniavre> Ken8521,  ok thank you
[19:20] <oneirosFade> I figured you did, I was just curious ~how you knew what it meant
[19:20]  * charlie-tca thinks "thank goodness ubuntu and windows are different!"
[19:20] <majnoon> yehudi lived in an arab neighborhood for 10 years though
[19:20] <Ken8521> zniavre, for what?
[19:21] <oneirosFade> Ah
[19:21] <ZykoticK9> majnoon, oneirosFade ok now i'm curious - what does majnoon mean?
[19:22] <oneirosFade> majnoon is a Romanization of the Arabic word for crazy
[19:22] <lapion> people tend to not see a reason to switch to another os if the other os looks the same it probably act the same
[19:22] <majnoon> actually "insane"
[19:23] <oneirosFade> Crazy, insane, same diff
[19:23] <oneirosFade> :)
[19:23] <oneirosFade> Makes me want to jabber Arabic at ya, but I'm guessing like most IRC rooms, this is a one-language-only
[19:24] <oneirosFade> So, ZykoticK9, any thoughts on making the indicator-panel-app not so... eyesore-ish?  It looked fine in Karmic, but now it's all spread out an blech
[19:25] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, i feel the same way - no solution that i'm aware of
[19:25] <oneirosFade> And that little... avatar?  Bah.
[19:25] <oneirosFade> I had ~just gotten used to using indicators for all my social net and such
[19:26] <lapion> ah futurama\
[19:26] <kallisti5> so over 1000 votes on a tiny brainstorm idea to leave the window buttons on the right means nothing? http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/23899/
[19:27] <G_A_C> i'm sure someone will release a community theme afterwards...
[19:27] <arand> kallisti5: No, brainstorm in general doesn't mean anything.
[19:27] <ZykoticK9> Changing the button order/location no longer breaks the rounded corners either!  Much improvement with the buttons over alpha :)
[19:27] <charlie-tca> kallisti5: there are plans to put something else there now
[19:27] <G_A_C> i didn't know that ZykoticK9, that's good news
[19:28] <G_A_C> i remember it broke in the alphas so I put them back on the left and just got used to it very quickly
[19:28] <G_A_C> i'm fine with them on the left now, i find I don't often use them
[19:28] <h00k> kallisti5: the decision is final, it has already been debated over, it's theme-controlled, if you still want to gripe, join the mailing list
[19:29] <arand> charlie-tca: Incredibly vague though, at least if ayatana-dicuss is anything to go by... Which is a bit bothering.
[19:29] <charlie-tca> yup
[19:29] <ZykoticK9> My couple times a day post - any ideas on xchat icon disappearing from indicator area?
[19:30] <charlie-tca> I dropped the aytana mailing list
[19:30] <oneirosFade> ZykoticK9: Because they don't want you using XChat anymore, you're supposed to be using Empathy
[19:30] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, for IRC - i DON'T think so...
[19:30] <oneirosFade> LOL
[19:30] <charlie-tca> Everything is discussed privately now, and the list is only for the parts they want to tell us publicly
[19:31] <oneirosFade> I would love to have the time and ... gumption ... to fork a bunch of great apps and fix them up proper, and release a distro based around them
[19:31] <h00k> ZykoticK9: have you filed a bug or checked to see if it exists?
[19:32] <majnoon> oneirosFade, i can get by ok in SPOKEN arabic WRITEN forget it
[19:32] <majnoon> only know 3 written words
[19:32] <ZykoticK9> h00k, if it was constant issue i would have a long time ago - but it comes and goes
[19:32] <oneirosFade> LOL @ majnoon
[19:32] <h00k> ZykoticK9: report it!
[19:32] <oneirosFade> I wasn't thinking of writing in script, just Romanizing it
[19:32] <majnoon> qaweh,majnoon,and allah
[19:32] <h00k> ZykoticK9: against indicator-applet I think
[19:33] <oneirosFade> I can't write in script on my compy
[19:33] <majnoon> 3 most important words LOL
[19:33] <ZykoticK9> h00k, was about to ask that question (mind reader, spookey)
[19:33] <Pici> Can we try to stay on topic here folks?
[19:33] <oneirosFade> qaweh = qahua?
[19:33] <majnoon> coffee
[19:33] <Pici> !ot
[19:33] <oneirosFade> Yeah
[19:33] <Pici> Feel free to move to pm if needed.
[19:33]  * oneirosFade facedesks
[19:34] <majnoon> in ibryit it qafe
[19:34] <benkevan> anyone here running Lotus Notes?
[19:34] <benkevan> on 10.04?
[19:34] <benkevan> also.. since there's no xorg.conf with new x.. how can I configure my nvidia to save the settings?
[19:35] <arand> benkevan: just create one, it will be applied if it exists
[19:36] <benkevan> arand: nvidia-settings utility tries to write.. and it fails.. because of missing configs.. (since it does a sanity check when merging)
[19:37] <majnoon> anyone know of a GOOD chess AI game ??
[19:38] <Damascene> hi,
[19:38] <Damascene> why there is no #irc account in empathy guest session?
[19:38] <Damascene> in gnome guest session in empathy
[19:39] <ishijoe> hi everybody.
[19:39] <Damascene> or empathy first start doesnot allow you to have irc
[19:39] <ishijoe> i have an issue with my lucid.when i shutdown or reboot it sends me to the login screen.any help
[19:40] <DanaG> Damascene: https://bugs.launchpad.net/empathy/+bug/433714
[19:40] <Bittarman> thats a bad thing?
[19:40] <Bittarman> lol
[19:40] <Damascene> why it still new? no one confirmed it?
[19:41] <DanaG> "new" in "baltix"
[19:41] <ZykoticK9> Damascene, empathy has said that they're support is so poor for IRC that they "won't fix" the issue
[19:41] <harry-houdini1> anyone good at interpreting bootcharts? http://imagebin.ca/view/KxhLUe.html It looks to me like somthing called exe sits there for 5 seconds and does nothing + mdraid takes forever...thanks in advance
[19:42] <charlie-tca> ishijoe: can you shut down from there?
[19:42] <charlie-tca> Sometimes it is because there is another session running (guest, ssh, etc)
[19:43] <Damascene> I see
[19:43] <ishijoe> no either
[19:44] <charlie-tca> maybe bug 552316
[19:44] <ishijoe> no other session is running.Just for info, i use autologin
[19:44] <DanaG> So now there's no easy way to do IRC support in Ubuntu out-of-the-box.
[19:44] <KB1JWQ> DanaG: Urm, what?
[19:45] <KB1JWQ> DanaG: irssi is a simple apt-get away, as are other clients.
[19:45] <ZykoticK9> DanaG, that is correct
[19:45] <ZykoticK9> DanaG, sorta poor when #ubuntu is such a good resource for people
[19:45] <CT1> What audio cd copying apps are available? (copy of a copy)
[19:46] <z0rt|work> irssi is awesome
[19:46] <CT1> I've tried brazero, not working yet
[19:47] <ZykoticK9> KB1JWQ, notice DanaG's comment "out-of-the-box"
[19:47] <DanaG> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/39841182/empathy_irc_problem.ogv
[19:47] <KB1JWQ> Ah, gotcha.
[19:47] <atrus> DanaG: xchat-gnome is lovely.
[19:48]  * DanaG just uses pidgin/
[19:48] <ZykoticK9> atrus, you must be joking!  (to each his own i suppose)
[19:48] <atrus> universe even has an indicator plugin.
[19:48] <DanaG> It also makes my logs cross-platform to Windows.
[19:48] <DanaG> And it lets me do funny things like setting my VERSION string to:
[19:48] <DanaG> "Oooh, that thing has numbers on it!"
[19:48] <oneirosFade> I was loving Pidgin, until it refused to integrate into the rest of the panel.  A nice themed panel with a giant white pidgin block was NOT cool
[19:49] <DanaG> Mine doesn't do that.  Then again, I use a plain panel, not a themed one.
[19:49] <oneirosFade> It certainly seemed a lot more stable than Empathy
[19:49] <DanaG> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532309
[19:50] <z0rt|work> why do people hate command-line :(
[19:50] <oneirosFade> z0rt|work: Eh?
[19:50] <ZykoticK9> z0rt|work, OT but i doubt many people in this channel do
[19:50] <DanaG> http://launchpadlibrarian.net/43764330/Schermafdruk-1.png
[19:50] <DanaG> Nice ugly panel.
[19:50] <z0rt|work> all this gui talk mate
[19:51] <z0rt|work> to each his own ehehe
[19:51] <oneirosFade> DanaG: Egads...  ugly doesn't touch the tip of that one
[19:51] <yofel_> z0rt|work: well, even though most of us here use the command line frequently, we're trying to make Ubuntu useful for non-geeks :P
[19:51] <jef91> Since upgrading my kernel to the .21 revision my nvidia kernel module is failing to install properly (both installing from the .run file and trying to install through synaptic...) Any suggestions?
[19:51] <DanaG> For me, I use a 34-pixel panel (high-dpi display), so those themes give 1.5 panel-image-heights.
[19:51] <oneirosFade> z0rt|work: CLI is great, but I prefer to be able to see many things going on without needing to ctrl-alt-function to them
[19:52] <atrus> DanaG: yeah, that one bugs me. i have a vertical panel, so it tiles the WHOLE way down.
[19:52] <DanaG> Ew.
[19:53] <DanaG> cool thing for command-line: byobu
[19:53] <oneirosFade> DanaG: It wasn't so much a tiling issue -- I had a dark solid colored panel, and Pidgin refused to do anything but white
[19:53] <DanaG> That must've been a bug... mine doesn't do that.
[19:54] <DanaG> Oh, and the buttons on that theme are quite ugly, too.
[19:54] <DanaG> They're dark.. like moles, or something.
[19:54] <oneirosFade> Looking at the man page for byobu, but I don't quite follow... what is it, exactly?
[19:54] <kjdash> byobu is a themed version of screen
[19:54] <oneirosFade> Oh?
[19:54] <DanaG> It's a fancy Screen profile. yeah.
[19:55]  * yofel_ has byobu running in yakuake, niice... :D
[19:55] <DanaG> I thought of something that would look really cool.... a set of a netbook, a wallpaper, and a theme...
[19:56] <oneirosFade> Oh, that is kinda neat
[19:57] <om26er> ZykoticK9, you facing that xchat bugs?
[19:57] <DanaG> netbook: http://www.nitrolicious.com/blog/2009/09/14/vivienne-tam-x-hp-mini-butterfly-lovers-digital-clutch/   -- wallpaper: http://beautifullinux.com/web/wallpaper/ubuntu9.10/images/Butterfly.jpg -- theme: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Lucid/Kin
[19:58] <DanaG> those three would work together awesomely well.
[19:58] <ZykoticK9> om26er, ya just filed a bug for it actually - you have a fix?
[19:58] <om26er> ZykoticK9, hm, no but its certainly now indicator applet's bug
[19:59] <ZykoticK9> om26er, that is what i filed under bug #566842
[20:00] <charlie-tca> ZykoticK9: I don't have that bug in xubuntu using xchat
[20:00] <oneirosFade> DanaG: What's the byobu key for closing a screen?  I've accidentally the whole thing...
[20:00] <om26er_> ZykoticK9, are you using xchat-indicator?
[20:00] <ZykoticK9> charlie-tca, it's been present since alpha actually - but it's an on again / off again type situtation - why i have been reluctant to file really
[20:01] <charlie-tca> Never had it disappear
[20:01] <ZykoticK9> om26er, xchat-indicator, not even sure what that is... searching
[20:01] <DanaG> accidentally what, the whole thing?
[20:01] <ZykoticK9> om26er, doh!  is that my problem... oh no pebkac
[20:02] <DanaG> ctrl-a, k, to kill all tabs.
[20:02] <DanaG> or just ctrl-d (EOF) bash in a tab to close the tab.
[20:02] <om26er_> ZykoticK9, the problem is xchat as xchat dont use indicator applet
[20:03] <om26er_> it uses notification area
[20:03] <charlie-tca> om26er_: but without indicator applet, it works fine
[20:03] <ZykoticK9> om26er_, ummm that would make sence actually - and what was just updated to the bug
[20:04] <Ken8521> om26er_, neither does pidgin.
[20:04] <Ken8521> well, if you use the pidgin icon...t hat stupid envelope is annoying
[20:04] <om26er_> Ken8521, its can
[20:04] <om26er_> s/its/it
[20:05] <z0rt|work> haha
[20:05] <Ken8521> yes.. if you use the default, but if you set pidgint o "Show System Tray" its in notification area... not indicator applet
[20:05] <om26er_> Ken8521, in that case, same stands for empathy :)
[20:06] <Ken8521> well, i think empathy absolutely sucks, thats the first thing i remove when i install
[20:06] <coc0nut> In fairness, it kind of does.
[20:07]  * om26er_ likes empathy
[20:07] <Ken8521> in fairness?
[20:07] <Ken8521> lol
[20:07] <Ken8521> how could you like empathy better than pidgin? its horrible
[20:07] <coc0nut> In fairness, it kind of is.
[20:07] <coc0nut> ¬_____¬
[20:07] <Ken8521> lol
[20:07] <coc0nut> I didn't like it.
[20:07] <Ken8521> i loathe it
[20:08] <coc0nut> In fact, I can't remember why I disliked it so much, but I just know it's crap.
[20:09] <duffydack> no contact blocking, no mail notification for the accounts, no metacontacts...
[20:10] <coc0nut> No encryption.
[20:10] <the_student> During install % reaches several hundred
[20:10] <duffydack> hardly any plugins...yeah if you want a basic messenger, then empathy is as basic as it gets.. like if you only want a mobile phone to be a phone, and not a camera or mp3 player.
[20:11] <coc0nut> I like having a phone that's just a phone, but there are a lot of very important IM features that empathy lacks.
[20:11] <coc0nut> the_student: Does it ever finish?
[20:11] <z0rt|work> the decision-maker for getting my palm pre was that its OS is linux-based and easily rootable
[20:12] <the_student> coc0nut: Yes
[20:12] <coc0nut> Bizarre bug.
[20:13] <oneirosFade> LOL, you just made me switch back to Pidgin, which seems to be working now
[20:13] <coc0nut> ^^
[20:13] <oneirosFade> Though it doesn't integrate with the notifier-panel-thing
[20:14] <oneirosFade> Oh wait
[20:14] <coc0nut> It does for me.
[20:14] <duffydack> does.
[20:14] <oneirosFade> I realized that's probably because I still have Emp running for this IRC window while I get xchat
[20:14] <oneirosFade> BRB
[20:16] <oneirosFade> Much better'
[20:20] <oneirosFade> This is great, I gotta hang out here more often -- I get good ideas from youse guys
[20:23] <oneirosFade> So, next on my list -- is there a way to separate packages from their parent, to uninstall them -- and maybe prevent them from being installed?
[20:26] <oneirosFade> Everyone has gone quite silent suddenly.  Must be lunchtime
[20:26] <ZykoticK9> ARTSIOM, you need to add the Partner repository -- see blue note on top of http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/java if you are unsure how to do that.  Good luck.
[20:27] <ARTSIOM> ZykoticK9: thanks!
[20:29] <charlie-tca> oneirosFade: maybe 'apt-get install ??? --no-install-recommends'
[20:30] <oneirosFade> charlie-tca: I was thinking along the lines of preventing distro upgrades from automagically installing Firefox
[20:30] <oneirosFade> Things like that
[20:30] <Ken8521> ubottu, is sleeping... where do i go to register my nick?
[20:30] <charlie-tca> that is also possible - see man apt-get
[20:30] <Ken8521> well, maybe not
[20:30] <Ken8521> !register
[20:32] <charlie-tca> !register
[20:32] <charlie-tca> nm
[20:33] <the_student> How do i use the ubuntu+ipod
[20:34] <Ken8521> the_student, depends on the ipod really
[20:34] <oneirosFade> the_student:  When I was using an iPod under Ubuntu, I had best success with Amarok 1.4, but there's plenty of others
[20:34] <Ken8521> oneirosFade, amarok is very good, so is gtkpod... but some of hte ipods just are plane fussy w/ Linux, and Vbox is the easiest solution.
[20:34] <oneirosFade> Vbox?
[20:34] <Ken8521> unless you want to jailbreak them
[20:34] <Ken8521> virtualbox
[20:35] <oneirosFade> Just for iPod support?  Eee
[20:35] <Ken8521> i use vbox to sync my zune.. its no big deal.
[20:35] <Ken8521> i steal all my stuff on Linux, have shared folders w/ Vbox, start it up, sync my zune, shut it down.. works fine for me
[20:36] <Ken8521> actually do the same thing w/ a 4gig nano... which i could use amarok w/
[20:36] <oneirosFade> I actually switched PMPs to the Sansa, because it was the only one I could find that supported OGG.  I would get a new player before switching OSs based solely on my PMP
[20:36] <Ken8521> but.. ug.. i just don't like them
[20:36] <oneirosFade> It's not my favorite, for sure
[20:36] <Ken8521> to small.
[20:37] <Ken8521> i use my nano at the gym,
[20:37] <oneirosFade> But until I can find an iPod/Zune that does OGG out of the box under Linux...
[20:37] <Ken8521> zune for everything else.
[20:37]  * coc0nut uses a DS
[20:37] <Ken8521> i thinkt he archos players do Ogg.
[20:37] <oneirosFade> Archos, eh?
[20:38] <Ken8521> pretty sure.. don't hold me to it though
[20:38] <oneirosFade> coc0nut:  I can hardly clip a DS to my waistband while running the track :)
[20:38] <the_student> My ipod touch is detected as generic storage dev
[20:38] <Ken8521> the_student, see if it will let you drag/drop to it.. it might..
[20:38] <the_student> dbclick doesnt work
[20:39] <Ken8521> install gtkpod or amarok, see if you can use either one of those to sync it
[20:40] <the_student> Isn't it meant to work oob
[20:41] <Ken8521> the_student, again, it depends on the ipod..
[20:41] <Ken8521> the touch, iphone, they have different firmware than some of the older ones(ipod videos, 3rd gen nanos, etc..)
[20:42] <monofonik> if i installed 10.04 beta2, and have been updating, can i just keep running that and updating until the 29?
[20:42] <ZykoticK9> !final | monofonik
[20:42] <monofonik> awesome
[20:42] <Ken8521> what he said.. :)
[20:42] <charlie-tca> yes
[20:42] <Ken8521> i like reinstalling when a new beta or RC comes out.
[20:43] <monofonik> this is frickin' great so far
[20:43] <monofonik> i love the new theme
[20:43] <the_student> gtkpod doesn't  work
[20:43] <monofonik> new wallpapers
[20:43] <Ken8521> so i can see what they actually fixed, as opposed to what i fixed on my own.
[20:43] <Ken8521> monofonik, well, its not brown.lol
[20:43] <Ken8521> the_student, very unlikely amarok will work, but it might
[20:43] <the_student> dmesg detects a usb dev connecting
[20:43] <monofonik> i don't think i like empathy as an irc client though
[20:43] <Ken8521> the_student, of course it does.. thats why you had an icon on you desktop.
[20:43] <gartral> monofonik: irssi ftw brother
[20:43] <Ken8521> the_student, the problem is the firmware.
[20:44] <oneirosFade> So the only Archos to support OGG is the Vision 3, but I can't find it on Amazon, so I have no clue how much they're yanking for it
[20:44] <z0rt|work> gartral: hi5
[20:44] <Ken8521> monofonik, i don't think i like empathy.. for anything... :)
[20:44] <Ken8521> xchat, irssi, etc. to many good options in the repos to use a crap program like that for irc
[20:44] <the_student> any way of confirming this
[20:45] <Ken8521> confirming what?
[20:45] <monofonik> i like empathy for standard im
[20:45] <monofonik> better than pidgin anyway
[20:45] <the_student> wrong fw
[20:45] <Ken8521> ugh, i don't.
[20:45] <monofonik> i think it's nicer looking
[20:45] <monofonik> and i like its adium theme support
[20:45]  * charlie-tca can confirm he likes xchat
[20:45] <duffydack> empathy is like a windows 3.11 progra,.
[20:45] <duffydack> program*
[20:46] <Ken8521> lol
[20:46] <Ken8521> i wish skype was better developed for Linux
[20:46] <duffydack> it just looks and feels so immature... it might be ok in a couple of years..
[20:46] <Ken8521> yup.
[20:46] <monofonik> i like skype better in linux than windows
[20:46] <Splex> just use ekiga instead or twinkle, etc...
[20:47] <Ken8521> twinkle sucks... ekiga.. bleh
[20:47] <duffydack> what exactly is ubuntu`s beef with pidgin devs?
[20:47] <Ken8521> duffydack, lack of progress w/ webcams, if i recall correctly
[20:47] <z0rt|work> pigeons are disgusting creatures
[20:47] <monofonik> pigeons taste good
[20:48] <duffydack> er, but ive tried A/V using xmpp in pidgin, its fine.
[20:48] <Ken8521> duffydack, i think for some plugins, it works fine, for others, not so fine
[20:48] <Ken8521> i've not tried it w/ pidgin
[20:48] <topyli> duffydack, there is no beef with pidgin or its devs. the question is about telepathic awesomeness and its progress. we need to support it
[20:48] <gartral> z0rt|work: hi5ed
[20:48] <duffydack> a/v was built into pidgin a while ago, tho you needed like 9.10 i think or higher
[20:49] <duffydack> ok
[20:50] <Maletor> Help. I just install lucid packages and now when I reboot I get the following output. http://gist.github.com/371506
[20:50] <topyli> fyi, you can install and use pidgin and be happy if that's what makes you happy
[20:50] <Ken8521> i don't think anyone was debating that.
[20:51] <topyli> just saying ubuntu has nothing against pidgin
[20:51] <Ken8521> ah, i don'tthink anyone said they did.
[20:51] <Ken8521> i imagine if they had something "against" pidgin, it wouldn't be in the repos
[20:51] <duffydack> I thought I read somewhere they didnt agree with something or other or whatnot.. cant remember.
[20:51] <monofonik> yes they did
[20:51] <Maletor> I still have services like ssh, and apache is running. Also, cat /proc/mdstat shows that it's resyncing my RAID5, but I don't know if that has any signifigance. I really need help here, this is an emergency. Perhaps it is just the X server that is failing to start? Again, http://gist.github.com/371506
[20:52] <monofonik> i think someone was asking why empathy is bundled now and not pidgin
[20:52] <duffydack> was a while ago..
[20:52] <monofonik> yeah, way back when
[20:52] <topyli> Ken8521, duffydack asked what is our beef againts pidgin devs. i wouldn't be part of this conversation otherwise
[20:52] <Ken8521> yeah, and there was a discussion as to why that might be.. i don't think it was a "rift" between the two..
[20:53] <duffydack> guess I got the wrong end of the stick
[20:53] <charlie-tca> Maletor: why would you install a beta version if it has to be fully usable?
[20:53] <Ken8521> topyli, i think beef was a strong word... i think it was just a lack of progress w/ pidgin, so they chose to support empathy
[20:53] <duffydack> as you say, its no biggie to me, as long as I can still install pidgin
[20:53] <monofonik> i can't believe i'm 25 and still biting my nails
[20:53] <duffydack> I`m just accustomed to it now..
[20:53] <Ken8521> when Google buys ubuntu, you'll have to use Empathy, no choice!.. :)
[20:53] <Maletor> charlie-tca: i didn't. i just did sudo apt-get update and it found a bunch of lucid stuff so i assumed it was ok even though i didn't do distro-upgrade
[20:54] <Maletor> charlie-tca: that is beyond the point, i need to get X to function now...
[20:54] <topyli> ubuntu has a strong idea about cross-desktop integrated stuff. telepathy is ideal since it can bind any communication into any application via dbus. that's a very strong proposition
[20:54] <topyli> i want it :)
[20:55] <monofonik> topyli: give me a practical example of how that would work exactly?
[20:55] <duffydack> topyli, are you part of the ubuntu team?
[20:56] <Maletor> Is there any solution to http://gist.github.com/371506 that error that I get on boot?
[20:57] <oneirosFade> I'm all in favor of integration, but IMHO it needs to be a touch more mature before it becomes the de facto standard
[20:57] <topyli> monofonik, something i wrote years ago might be a clue of what i'm thinking about: http://www.siltala.net/2008/11/21/telepathic-desktop/
[20:57] <topyli> we've had some progress since then, but still no telepathic address book :=
[20:58] <topyli> duffydack, yes i'm an ubuntu member, but i'm not a programmer
[20:58] <gartral> topyli: well.. make a 6-8 mhrz transciever
[20:58] <urthmover> question: Am I able to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 using  "update-manager -d"  ?
[20:58] <urthmover> question: Am I able to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 using  "update-manager -d"  ?
[20:58] <Ken8521> i hate all in one appsl
[20:58] <topyli> urthmover, yes
[20:59] <Ken8521> brb.
[20:59] <urthmover> great thanks topyli
[20:59] <gartral> urthmover: wegot the first transmission, and yes, that's how i updated
[20:59]  * gartral loves 10.04 so far
[20:59] <gartral> only thing im having issues with is WINE and my games... nothing new there
[21:00] <enthusiast> gartral: try crossover 9 professional
[21:01] <gartral> heres an intresting q: isn't the lynx community at all disturbed by there being an OS with lynx in it's name?
[21:01] <coc0nut> If they are, lolololol.
[21:01] <Pici> Theres a lynx community?
[21:01] <gartral> enthusiast: isn't that a paid for wine oggshoot?
[21:01] <gartral> enthusiast: isn't that a paid for wine offshoot?
[21:01] <enthusiast> yeah...but it's worth the pay...
[21:01] <gartral> Pici: yes. last i checked the lynx browser had a decent community
[21:02] <araujo> have anybody successfully installed the nvidia proprietary drivers here?
[21:02] <monofonik> urthmover should have been warned to back up his shit first ha
[21:02] <Bittarman> araujo, depends on your definition of success :P
[21:02] <ZykoticK9> araujo, from the nvidia site?  i doubt it -- use jockey instead (hardware drivers)
[21:02] <oneirosFade> Anyone here using a nice GTK2/Metacity theme thay wouldn't mind linking pic of?  I'm trying to find something not so... Mac-ish
[21:03] <gartral> araujo: i can only get the ones in hardware driver manager to work
[21:03] <charlie-tca> araujo: yes
[21:03] <charlie-tca> using jockey
[21:04] <arand> araujo: 195 on 8600gt/xps1530 Has been working quite fine here. But I assume it's not "nvidia" as much as "this specific nvidia setup"
[21:04] <FFForever> is it possible to sync my iPod touch with ubuntu?
[21:04] <lucas-arg> hello, is any one having problems with medibuntu repos?
[21:04] <Maletor> Is there any solution to http://gist.github.com/371506 that error that I get on boot?
[21:05] <ZykoticK9> lucas-arg, bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/565810 possible work-around at http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[21:05] <Ken8521> lucas-arg, there's some workarounds if you google it
[21:05] <lucas-arg> thanks
[21:06] <araujo> gartral, well, I tried to get the ones in the driver manager to work, but it throws an error ... mmm
[21:06] <gartral> araujo: what error?
[21:07] <araujo> I am upgrading the packages right now and test again to see if that fixes it
[21:07] <gartral> araujo: also, you trying to connect hdmi dvi or vga?
[21:09] <charlie-tca> gartral: I have installed in both
[21:09] <charlie-tca> dvi and vga
[21:10] <FFForever> I take that as a no?
[21:10] <gartral> charlie-tca: i was speaking to araujo
[21:10] <ZykoticK9> FFForever, if no one replied I'd take that as "no one knows"
[21:10] <gartral> im on hdmi and everything works seamlessly
[21:10] <crucialhoax> I just installed 10.04 and in 9.10 I had a few pgp encrypted files, now I cannot decrypt them.
[21:11] <Maletor> Is there any solution to http://gist.github.com/371506 that I get on boot
[21:11] <gartral> crucialhoax: did you import your keys into 10.04?
[21:12] <thiebaude> what is compatible with yahoo messenger on 10.04?
[21:12] <crucialhoax> gartral: How do I go about that? I did not think to export the key before format ;[
[21:12] <gartral> thiebaude: what?
[21:12] <umarux> Why does lucid not recognize my laptops support for changing the screen brightness, doesn't even show up like it should in /proc/video/ ... I have a First Gen Macbook Pro, worked in Karmic I believe, either that or Jaunty
[21:12] <thiebaude> what is compatible with yahoo messenger in ubuntu?
[21:13] <dabaR> Why does Ubuntu come with Erlang?
[21:13] <araujo> charlie-tca, you got it working?
[21:13] <gartral> crucialhoax: aww man.. dude, you might be in trouble, i hope those files wern't that important >.>
[21:13] <dabaR> Does anyone happen to know?
[21:13] <charlie-tca> yes
[21:13] <ZykoticK9> thiebaude, we saw the question the first time... patience
[21:13] <thiebaude> gartral asked me
[21:13] <thiebaude> lol
[21:13] <charlie-tca> I have an nvidia 6200 using vga and an nvidia 8500 using dvi
[21:13] <araujo> gartral, well, thing is .. the error is not clear actually, let me check
[21:13] <xXedixXx> Alright.
[21:13] <crucialhoax> gartral: Ummmm..... welll....
[21:13] <xXedixXx> How can I downgrade back to 9.10?
[21:14] <ZykoticK9> xXedixXx, not supported (but may be possible)
[21:14] <xXedixXx> Well
[21:14] <arand> xXedixXx: You can't reinstalling is easier
[21:14] <xXedixXx> I'm reading this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/DowngradeHowto
[21:14] <xXedixXx> I'd rather not reinstall..
[21:14] <gartral> thiebaude: that makes no sense.. ubuntu is an operating system, not compatable with windows. yahoo mesenger is a windows application. your question isn't understandable ..
[21:14] <xXedixXx> Do I need to create a sources.list?
[21:14] <Ken8521> xXedixXx, downgrading?.. i bet that would be a recipe for fail
[21:15] <araujo> gartral, vga
[21:15] <gartral> xXedixXx: that's really the only way to still have a functional comp man
[21:15] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, +1
[21:15] <charlie-tca> Isn't there an instant messenger that can talk to yahoo messenger?
[21:15] <xXedixXx> Well, 10.04 for some reason suddenly doesn't let my wireless connect :S
[21:15] <xXedixXx> And I've read how to install this driver but it doesn't do anything.
[21:15] <gartral> charlie-tca: yes, empathy
[21:15] <Ken8521> charlie-tca, pidgin, empathy, kopete, gyachi(i think is the name of it)
[21:15] <thiebaude> i have been using ubuntu for  a little over 4 yrs now
[21:15] <benkevan> I installed my nvidia drivers and now my Ubuntu boot splash screen (GFXMODE) is some hidious 640x480
[21:16] <charlie-tca> Thank you
[21:16] <Ken8521> <~~~~ veteran since 6.06..lol
[21:16] <benkevan> i tried to change in /etc/defaults/grub .. and re-ran grub-mkconfig .. but was still fugly.. how can I fix?
[21:16] <thiebaude> yep i first started with 6.06
[21:16] <crucialhoax> gartral: They are quite important. Is there anyway to do it?
[21:16] <gartral> Ken8521: 5.04 here
[21:16] <oneirosFade> Well, folks, it's been grand tonight, but I have to get me some sleep
[21:16] <charlie-tca> benkevan: yes, known issue
[21:16] <oneirosFade> Night, all
[21:16] <arand> xXedixXx: Anyways, backup and reinstall will likely be simpler and less problematic/erratic regardless.
[21:16] <xXedixXx> Does anyone know about installing wireless drivers, namely rt2860?
[21:16] <thiebaude> so i know ubuntu is not compatible with windows hahhaa
[21:16] <ZykoticK9> benkevan, you might want to try http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/plymouth-resolution
[21:16] <benkevan> charlie-tca: oh.. ok.. so I'm not the only idiot having the issue.. phew.. makes me feel better.. because that ish.. is fugly..
[21:17] <thiebaude> :)
[21:17] <xXedixXx> If I reinstall I'll loose all my programs jesus..
[21:17] <charlie-tca> benkevan: can't fix it, it is a plymouth bug
[21:17] <dabaR> I used 4.10, not sure whether that makes me a veteran. I am sure it must...but there is always a million more things to learn.
[21:17] <yofel> benkevan: GFXMODE is the menu resulution, GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX is the framebuffer resolution for the splash (see the grub2 wiki page)
[21:17] <Ken8521> xXedixXx, did you not verify all your stuff would work before upgrading to a BETA os?
[21:17] <gartral> crucialhoax: man, did you backup your /home before format?
[21:17] <thiebaude> thanks guys anyway
[21:17] <ZykoticK9> charlie-tca, are you sure about that?  I've had hi-res with nvidia-proprietary
[21:17] <xXedixXx> How would I know if it worked?
[21:17] <crucialhoax> gartral: Not the .hidden folders...
[21:17] <Ken8521> xXedixXx, .. a live cd?
[21:17] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:17] <xXedixXx> It seemed pretty stable in 9.10 and I don't see how they can go backwards.
[21:17] <xXedixXx> What do you mean live CD?
[21:18] <Ken8521> xXedixXx, lol.. you really should stay away from beta's
[21:18]  * araujo hopes upgrading package fixes this problem 
[21:18] <gartral> charlie-tca: i hate saying this man.. but it sounds like you painted yourself into a corner
[21:18] <charlie-tca> nvidia doesn't let the framebuffer work properly, so the splash screen looks ugly with the nvidia hardware driver
[21:18] <xXedixXx> What do you mean by live CD?
[21:18] <benkevan> xXedixXx: As opposed to dead :D .. jk ..
[21:18] <gartral> !bot
[21:18] <Ken8521> xXedixXx, ubuntu has live cd's.. you can run the OS from the CD, w/o making changes to your computer
[21:18] <yofel> charlie-tca: not if you set the framebuffer resolution by hand
[21:18] <charlie-tca> gartral: what corner?
[21:18] <xXedixXx> Can't use CDs.
[21:18] <xXedixXx> netbook ftw.
[21:18] <charlie-tca> yofel: by default?
[21:18] <gartral> charlie-tca: the "Help me" corner
[21:19] <Ken8521> xXedixXx, then use a live usb...
[21:19] <FFForever> xXedixXx, portable cd rom?, also use a flash drive
[21:19] <gartral> xXedixXx: you can load a cd iso too an sd card with unetbootin
[21:19] <ZykoticK9> charlie-tca, steps i took http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/plymouth-resolution
[21:19] <charlie-tca> no corner to it
[21:19] <xXedixXx> So, I can reinstall the operating system but keep all my packages etcc..?
[21:19] <yofel> charlie-tca: well by default yes, as nvidia doesn't use KMS, but it's not like it doesn't let the framebuffer work properly
[21:19] <charlie-tca> sure, you can take extra steps, but that doesn't change the ugly splash screen for those who haven't
[21:19] <xXedixXx> Will my programs and files stay on the computer?
[21:20] <Ken8521> xXedixXx, if your home isn't on a separate partition, at this point you're probably SOL
[21:20] <xXedixXx> SOL?
[21:20] <Ken8521> lol
[21:20] <gartral> charlie-tca: im trying to say you screwed yourself man. you didnt take a copy of the ~/.ssh folder before you wiped it.. your PGP keys are gone and now you have files that cant be decrypted
[21:20] <charlie-tca> A default hardware install of nvidia using jockey will make your splash screen look horrible
[21:20] <xXedixXx> What does SOL mean?
[21:20] <dabaR> Means you're out of luck
[21:20] <charlie-tca> gartral: talking to the wrong nick
[21:20] <xXedixXx> Alright.
[21:21] <xXedixXx> Well, my home is on the same partition as the OS.
[21:21] <xXedixXx> So, it should work?
[21:21] <dabaR> I was not following the conversation, but SOL stands for S*it Outta Luck
[21:21] <h00k> !home
[21:21] <h00k> !language | dabaR, Ken8521
[21:22] <yofel> ZykoticK9: *why* does everyone link broken howtos for that? you NEED to check availabe modes with vbeinfo first or your system might not boot anymore if you use an unsopported mode for gfxmode
[21:22] <Ken8521> h00k, ?.. i didn't use any foul language
[21:22] <dabaR> hmph
[21:22] <yofel> *unsupported
[21:22] <xXedixXx> Also...
[21:22] <xXedixXx> Does anyone know how I can specify which mode to connect to a network with>?
[21:22] <xXedixXx> Apparently my card has a problem connecting using n mode
[21:22] <xXedixXx> But it works with other modes.
[21:22]  * araujo is new to ubuntu but he has been using linux since kernel 2.0
[21:23] <dabaR> xXedixXx: see whether iwconfig --help tells you.
[21:23] <h00k> Ken8521: acronyms cound as well.
[21:23] <h00k> *count
[21:24] <Ken8521> whatever..
[21:24] <xXedixXx> Yeah, I think I can.
[21:24] <xXedixXx> :D
[21:24] <xXedixXx> Ty
[21:24] <xXedixXx> Where [interface] is what?
[21:24] <xXedixXx> Like ra0?
[21:24] <ZykoticK9> yofel, thanks for the heads-up -- am researching vbeinfo now.  sorry.
[21:25] <dabaR> xXedixXx: maybe try iwconfig <tab><tab> Works for me.
[21:25] <yofel> ZykoticK9: see the comment for  GRUB_GFXMODE in /etc/default/grub, it's mentioned there
[21:25] <xXedixXx> Where tab is what?
[21:25] <xXedixXx> OOOOHHH
[21:25] <xXedixXx> I see
[21:25] <xXedixXx> :)
[21:26] <yofel> !enter | xXedixXx
[21:29] <xXedixXx> Alright, in the readme for the wireless driver is says this: $/sbin/ifconfig ra0 inet YOUR_IP up
[21:29] <xXedixXx> Where it says YOUR_IP should I put in my network IP, Internet IP or what? As it's dynamic
[21:29] <dabaR> dynamic behind the router
[21:30] <dabaR> The IP address that you wish for this computer
[21:30] <xXedixXx> So my local network IP?
[21:30] <dabaR> There is likely more than 1 local network IP, but yes.
[21:31] <NinoScript> I just installed lucid and updated last night, my .xmodmap file is throwing this error: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/Fi2yts5D
[21:32] <crucialhoax> Decent icon set to recommend for Lucid?
[21:36] <topyli> crucialhoax, nobody knows what you like :)
[21:36] <topyli> the default is pretty good though!
[21:37] <crucialhoax> topyli: The only thing I do not like in the default theme is the file / folder icons. Everything else is nice.
[21:37] <sobersabre> hi my usb drive errors this in the syslog: device descriptor read/64, error -71
[21:37] <sobersabre> for some reason...
[21:38] <sobersabre> I see the kernel spits out attempts to use both ehci and uhci hcd drivers... and it fails.
[21:38] <sobersabre> the same drive works ok with a PC
[21:38] <topyli> crucialhoax, try the elementary icons, theyre famously awesome. i use them all the time myself. warning: blue folder icons
[21:39] <topyli> makes people say "mac ripoff!" when they look at your desktop :)
[21:39] <Maletor> What is "E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'util-linux'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2)"/
[21:39] <crucialhoax> topyli: Ehh, no blue folders. I will stay stock till I find something decent. i was jc if there was something that most likes.
[21:39]  * Maletor is in deep s**t
[21:40] <topyli> yeah
[21:41] <Maletor> When running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[21:41] <charlie-tca> Maletor: sometimes means the update will happen when the system is restarted
[21:42] <topyli> Maletor, also, don't use apt-get dist-upgrade :)
[21:42] <topyli> just a side note
[21:43]  * Maletor between this (http://gist.github.com/371506) and the dist-upgrade I'm so f**ked.
[21:43] <ninja__> try dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg
[21:43] <h00k> !language | Maletor
[21:43] <Maletor> ya sorry
[21:43] <ninja__> or make and sudo befor, if not logged in as root
[21:43] <ninja__> http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/ubuntu-linux-how-to-reconfigure-x-windows-system-xorg-server/
[21:44] <ninja__> stated there! :)
[21:44] <topyli> i haven't been logged in as root on my own systems since maybe 1998 or so
[21:45] <ninja__> So try doing sudo dpkg --configure xserver-xorg or maybe sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg first.
[21:46] <topyli> i'm lying. i've logged in as root many times back then, to setup sudo on new systems :)
[21:46] <ninja__> otherwise this should work:  sudo dpkg --configure -a
[21:46] <ninja__> worked propper here
[21:46] <ninja__> had same issue months ago
[21:47] <Maletor> ninja__: as me?
[21:47] <ninja__> yes
[21:48] <Maletor> thanks ninja__
[21:51] <ninja__> np Maletor
[21:52] <NinoScript> help me with my xmodmap file please :D
[21:52] <NinoScript> I just installed lucid and updated last night, and my xmodmap file started throwing this error: http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/Fi2yts5D
[21:54] <duffydack> Linus Torvalds, or LTS for short..
[21:54] <scott_ino2> any transcode/dvdrip users in here?
[21:55] <sobersabre> guys, my laptop told me that the kernel failed to enumerate the device...
[21:57] <gartral> INTRESTING bug: xbox 360 controller wont stop rumbling in any wine game >.>
[21:57] <gartral> sobersabre: what device?
[21:57] <sobersabre> USB flash disk (a.k.a. disk on key)
[21:58] <gartral> sobersabre: then remove the disk and reboot? or are you trying too boot from flash?
[21:59] <sobersabre> not a boot from flash.
[21:59] <sobersabre> but I'm not used to reboot, and I'm currently running something.
[21:59] <sobersabre> do you think rmmod of usb storage device would help ?
[22:00] <gartral> sobersabre: if it isnt criticl. isnt stopping you, or is bothering your schedual. then ignore it
[22:00] <sobersabre> ok... hm. what a bummer - to reboot...
[22:00] <sobersabre> hm...
[22:00] <sobersabre> I'll try this. just killing something.
[22:00] <gartral> sobersabre: just pull the disk unless your running from it
[22:11] <gartral> how do i get empathy too load on boot? it does so on VMs but not once i boot into ubuntu from harddisk
[22:12] <araujo> yeah, the upgrade seems to have helped to get the nvidia drivers working
[22:12] <araujo> :)
[22:23] <duffydack> have they made their minds up yet as to the button positions?  They apparently changed order again, and the preview of the theme shows them on the right hand side, but they have not changed at all for me,
[22:24] <duffydack> I dont actually mind what side or order,  I dont use them much, with my compiz config as it is.
[22:25] <nemo> isn't that dependent on what theme you are using?
[22:26] <duffydack> they all show in preview thumbnails, the buttons on the right side.
[22:26] <duffydack> I only have default themes installed
[22:26] <ZykoticK9> duffydack, they will be on the left.  the reorder of the buttons was just a bug the other day
[22:27] <duffydack> Its not a problem, I`m just saying that if something is supposed to have changed with the themes.. it hasnt...
[22:27] <duffydack> just curious to why..
[22:27] <ZykoticK9> duffydack, actually earlier i discovered that changing to a different theme does infact move the buttons now as well
[22:28] <duffydack> ZykoticK9, tried that.. does nothing
[22:28] <duffydack> not for me anyway.
[22:28] <ZykoticK9> duffydack, sorry it's a WFM situtation
[22:28] <duffydack> nevermind.. doesnt matter.
[22:30] <mrcurrington> Using Ubuntu 10.04, can I set my desktop background to a slideshow/multiple images?
[22:32] <duffydack> that reminds me.. mrcurrington , in the backgrounds choices, there are space type images to choose from, using an arrow, but you cant choose them...
[22:32] <duffydack> there is more than 1 pic, like a set of pics, but you cant actually choose anything other than the first one, but you can preview them all..
[22:33] <mrcurrington> Yes, why is this?
[22:34] <duffydack> been that way for a while, well since the beginning for me.
[22:35] <duffydack> I think those pics are in a folder
[22:35] <duffydack> as the rest are not...
[22:35] <gartral> how can i do a load test?
[22:35] <duffydack> /usr/share/backgrounds/cosmos
[22:36] <duffydack> ahh, lookin at the xml file in there, its a slideshow
[22:36] <duffydack> doh..
[22:36] <davidc3> mrcurrington , have a look at /usr/share/backgrounds/cosmos/background-1.xml with gedit. The syntax is very simple to understand. You can use it as a template to make other slideshows.
[22:37] <duffydack> heh
[22:37] <mrcurrington> davidc3: Thanks
[22:38] <mrcurrington> It would make sense to add a setting to the desktop background
[22:38] <mrcurrington> Some users may think it is unsupported
[22:41] <gartral> #suse
[22:42] <mrcurrington> How would the best way to report this issue to the developers? Bug report?
[22:43] <davidc3> Brainstorm or bug report, I guess.
[22:47] <ZykoticK9> mrcurrington, i doubt the change will make it into Lucid at this point - but maybe for 10.10
[22:48] <mrcurrington> ZykoticK9: This change has already accepted?
[22:49] <kyxzme> m h
[22:49] <kyxzme> mh
[22:49] <ZykoticK9> mrcurrington, if the feature is already there then why the Brainstorm/Bug?
[22:49] <kyxzme> iwould let you know about a bug
[22:49] <kyxzme> i've
[22:49] <gartral> what lucid's KDE look like?
[22:50] <kyxzme> my pc freezes while iam moving files
[22:50] <kyxzme> on a NFS partition
[22:50] <kyxzme> ubuntu 10.04
[22:50] <mrcurrington> ZykoticK9: Because there is no setting to easily add them?
[22:50] <ZykoticK9> mrcurrington, agreed - but what you are talking about is a new feature, and as i said before "doubt it will make it into Lucid"
[22:52] <joaopinto> ZykoticK9, you don't need to have doubts on that, it would not be implemented now :)
[22:52] <ZykoticK9> joaopinto, i was trying to be a little encouraging :)
[22:53] <mrcurrington> Why wouldn't it be implemented? Too many other implementations?
[22:55] <joaopinto> mrcurrington, no, because it's the end of the development cycle, reserved for critical bug fixes
[22:56] <joaopinto> new features usually introduce bugs and take the time need to fix known problems
[22:57] <ZykoticK9> mrcurrington, "featurefreeze" was Feb. 18th
[22:57] <mrcurrington> I see. But why if the feature has already been implemented, why no setting?
[22:58] <ZykoticK9> mrcurrington, if you copy the cosmos file you *should* be able to customize it to use your own files
[22:59] <duffydack> I used to love Dust.  Not now.  I dont like what they have done to it in lucid.
[22:59] <duffydack> the buttons dont look right and that 3d window effect looks tacky.
[22:59] <duffydack> I quite like this ambiance tho.  dark but not too dark..
[23:01] <DanaG> The new side borders look like "fail".
[23:01] <DanaG> They stick out like a crow among doves.
[23:02] <gartral> DanaG: remember 6.06?
[23:02] <DanaG> Not really.
[23:02] <gartral> DanaG: we've come a LONG way
[23:03] <DanaG> I use the Human theme, still.
[23:03] <DanaG> light-themes look like this for me: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/light-themes/+bug/532309
[23:06] <paradoxx> I recently upgraded last night and now my installation won't start. Is there a way that I can do a cd recovery?
[23:07] <paradoxx> I also downloaded the ubuntu beta 2 live cd and am running from it atm
[23:07] <topyli> i'm printing to a smb network printer at about 1 page per minute. applies to all apps :(
[23:08] <topyli> should probably see if there's a bug for it already. just wanted to complain :)
[23:09] <crucialhoax> How can I reduce my RAM usage? 9.10 used about 450MB, 10.04 is using almost double at 840MB
[23:14] <TommyThaGun> this is the second update of SunJava today
[23:14] <TommyThaGun> I wonder what the deal is
[23:14] <jpds> TommyThaGun: Read the changelog file?
[23:20] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[23:22] <carl0s-> How can I get the 2.6.33rc kernel ? I have "proposed" apt source enabled but that's not enough ..
[23:23] <tormod> carl0s-, you should get a 2.6.34 kernel, google for mainline kernel ppa
[23:23] <carl0s-> tormad, thanks :)
[23:24] <paradoxx> An update I did last night is now causing my installation not to start. Is there a way to go back?
[23:26] <gartral> how do i force a package to upgrade?
[23:29] <vivid> how do i fix this annoying evolution indicator applet bug?
[23:31] <gord> i think a fix got pushed through or is going to get pushed through vivid, upgrade and if the fix isn't there yet, please be patient
[23:31] <vivid> ok, just asking because i couldnt find it on launchpad
[23:33] <fqh> Hello, dose anyone know why there is not the line "inet addr :xxxxx" in result of ifconfig in ubuntu10.04?  http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/rmGwshCt
[23:34] <carl0s-> tormod, is the mainline kernel ppa just a download site ? Do I just manually install the debs ? It doesn't seem to be a normal PPA I don't think ?
[23:34] <gartral> anyone manage too get the EVGA P55 chipset too give up it's thermal info?
[23:37] <araujo> anybody knows a package in ubuntu to show system information (memory/CPU/harddisk space) in the terminal?
[23:38] <tormod> carl0s-, yes it is not a normal ppa. just grab the right deb
[23:38] <carl0s-> ok thanks
[23:39] <fqh> araujo I usually use free, top, df -h.
[23:40] <haz3lnut> araujo, cat /proc/meminfo
[23:40] <haz3lnut> araujo, cat /proc/cpuinfo
[23:41] <araujo> mmm
[23:41] <haz3lnut> araujo, sudo hdparm -I /dev/sda
[23:41] <araujo> I know those options exist guys, was wondering if there was some default script
[23:42] <araujo> or hence I guess I could code something
[23:42] <haz3lnut> yeah, you coudl write a script to dump all that, or pick out the pieces you want.
[23:43] <nomentero> any bug reported after last sun java 1.6.20 update???
[23:43] <LLStarks> any ubuntu-release team guys in here?
[23:47] <haz3lnut> fqh, I have the inet addr: xxxx line
[23:47] <Volkodav> what's up with medibuntu for 2 days now is down ?
[23:48] <duffydack> use mirrors
[23:48] <haz3lnut> Volkodav, yeah I had to compile ffmpeg myself
[23:48] <fqh>  haz3lnut Your system is ubuntu10.04 too?
[23:48] <duffydack> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[23:48] <haz3lnut> duffydack, there are mirrors?
[23:49] <apple_cat> Hi, I've been testing kubuntu 10.04 beta 2 over the last week on my laptop. Can someone help me report some of the problems I've been having?
[23:49] <haz3lnut> well tickle my titties, medibuntu mirrors.  never knew!
[23:50]  * duffydack tickles tiddies
[23:50] <haz3lnut> fqh, yes
[23:51] <fqh> haz3lnut, it's odd for me~~
[23:51] <duffydack> be nice to have a list of backup mirrors as a fallback
[23:51] <duffydack> when 1 fails, use another..but only when it fails..
[23:52] <duffydack> as part of the repo list that is.,
[23:54] <benkevan> any way I can save my xorg.conf with nvidia? it just fails when I try to save.. since x.org doesn't really use xorg.conf anymore
[23:54] <Pici> It does if it exists.
[23:55] <bjsnider> benkevan, you need elevated privileges
[23:55] <benkevan> ugg.. ok.. I know you guys think I'm an idiot.. the reference really is that nvidia-xconfig or nvidia-settings does a sanity check, where you then get the following errors:
[23:56] <benkevan> VALIDATION ERROR: Data incomplete in file /etc/X11/xorg.conf.
[23:57] <benkevan>                   Undefined Device "(null)" referenced by Screen "Default Screen".
[23:57] <bjsnider> benkevan, what version of nvidia-settings is this?
[23:57] <benkevan> NVRM version: NVIDIA UNIX x86 Kernel Module  195.36.15  Thu Mar 11 21:41:46 PST 2010
[23:57] <benkevan> GCC version:  gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5)
[23:57] <benkevan> nvidia-settings 1.0
[23:58] <bjsnider> hahaa
[23:58] <bjsnider> install lucid's nvidia-settings package
[23:58] <bjsnider> it does not have that bug
[23:58] <agronholm> I have that installed and the version number is 1.0
[23:59] <bjsnider> sure you do
[23:59] <Dezine> I just installed the latest 10.04, nice by the way. I am wondering if the minimize buttons and stuff are supposed to be on the left? Or is that a  bug?
[23:59] <benkevan> sudo apt-get install nvidia-settings doesn't find anything.. the 1.0 is the one that comes with the nvidia driver which was installed on lucid using the hardware driver instaler
[23:59] <benkevan> Dezine: Yes.. they mvoed em
[23:59] <Dezine> Any reason why?
[23:59] <Ely> Hello everyone, whenever I open Firefox or Chrome browsers, they do not remember the last position on the screen, they go back and open to the left of my screen, anyway to make them remember the last position? thanks in advance.
[23:59] <benkevan> Dezine: they felt like it? really.. I guess haha..