[06:01] <humphreybc> so what happened at the Quickshot meeting?
[06:01] <humphreybc> O
[06:01] <humphreybc> I'll check the logs soon*
[06:36] <IlyaHaykinson> is it just me, or are the fonts at http://test.ubuntu-manual.org totally screwed-up?
[06:44] <humphreybc> just you :)
[06:44] <humphreybc> what browser?
[07:17] <IlyaHaykinson> FF, Chrome
[07:17] <IlyaHaykinson> on two different computers
[07:17] <IlyaHaykinson> font looks like crap.
[07:18] <IlyaHaykinson> (on Vista, and on Win7)
[07:18] <IlyaHaykinson> i think the problem is font-family:dejavu sans condensed, sans, verdana,arial;
[07:18] <IlyaHaykinson> this means that since i don't have dejavu, i'll get the (default) sans font
[07:19] <IlyaHaykinson> we should a) try switching the order to dejavu sans condensed, verdana, arial, sans
[07:19] <IlyaHaykinson> b) switch to using Cufon for all header text, so that we can deliver the fonts in DejaVu regardless of whether the user has it or not
[07:20] <IlyaHaykinson> i'll see if i can play with that tomorrow evening.
[08:24] <nisshh> watched into the wild last night, was a good movie
[08:28] <nisshh> downloading green zone now\
[08:38] <thorwil> good morning!
[08:39] <thorwil> godbyk: sounds like inkscape will be able to embed fonts in pdf at some point: https://bugs.launchpad.net/inkscape/+bug/437567/comments/10
[08:39] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 437567 in inkscape "PDF Save As dialog 'convert text to paths' option is confusing" [Medium,Confirmed]
[08:39] <godbyk-android> Yay!
[11:15]  * humphreybc doesn't think brass band drumming is for him
[11:25] <humphreybc> is there anything I need to do?
[11:40] <humphreybc> nope? Makes my job easy then... lol
[13:46] <c7p> hello
[13:53] <humphreybc> hey c7p!
[14:57] <nisshh> anyone here use voip
[14:58] <nisshh> im considering getting it
[15:29] <humphreybc> isn't voip just skype?
[15:29] <humphreybc> or is it something more special
[15:42] <nisshh> humphreybc: no voip as in voip from your isp
[15:46] <nisshh> humphreybc: plus skype is a VOIP CLIENT not voip itself
[15:46] <humphreybc> ohh
[15:46] <nisshh> humphreybc: i thought you couldnt use voip by itself, dont you have to pay an isp to have it?
[15:47] <humphreybc> no idea
[15:47] <humphreybc> I use skype, don't pay no one
[15:47] <nisshh> do you have a voip modem or anything?
[15:47]  * humphreybc wonders why his RAM usage keeps going up, even though he only has 3 programs open... 2.2 GB now
[15:47] <humphreybc> nope
[15:47] <nisshh> humphreybc: you must have a memory leak, hehe
[15:47] <humphreybc> yeah, probably
[15:48] <humphreybc> i'll have to reboot at some point
[15:48] <humphreybc> what command gives the uptime?
[15:48] <nisshh> hmmmm, maybe its just aussies that have to pay, stupid isp
[15:48] <nisshh> the word uptime i believe
[15:48] <humphreybc> hahaha
[15:48] <humphreybc> that would make sense
[15:48] <nisshh> lol, yep
[15:48] <humphreybc> 1 day, 17 hours
[15:48] <humphreybc> pretty average
[15:49] <nisshh> hmmm thats not that long
[15:49] <nisshh> check your running processes
[15:49] <humphreybc> it's weird, coz my running processes aren't using much memory
[15:49] <humphreybc> after this episode of American Dad finishes i'll kill all open processes and see what the idle usage is
[15:50] <nisshh> ooooh a phantom process
[15:51] <nisshh> hmmmmm im going to have to do some more research on voip i think
[15:51] <humphreybc> lol
[16:01] <nisshh> omfg, voip in au is not exactly simple, i can go with wired, naked, skype, isp paid, voip provider, new router, voip modem, voip handset...
[16:02] <nisshh> holy shit its too much for me to think about at midnight
[16:03] <nisshh> humphreybc: with skype dont you have to pay to make calls still
[16:04] <humphreybc> nope you dont
[16:04] <nisshh> hmmmm, thats what it says in some of the articles i found
[16:04] <nisshh> it says you need to register an account and deposit "credit" to make calls
[16:05] <nisshh> wtf, now im confused
[16:08] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: skype to skype calls are free, but moblies and land lines are free. thats how it works in the uk
[16:09] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: yea, it says on the skype website, skyp to skype is free but to landline and mobile its not
[16:10] <ubuntujenkins> fair enough, i guess you are thinking of landline a well then
[16:11] <nisshh> well yea i was planning on using voip to call mobiles non-local
[16:11] <nisshh> although it still looks cheaper than landline calls
[16:11] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: thanks for the help
[16:12] <nisshh> brb
[16:12] <ubuntujenkins> ok i didn't do much
[19:44] <ubuntujenkins> anyone out there? how are we all?
[19:47] <dutchie> o/
[19:47] <ubuntujenkins> you all right dutchie ?
[19:47] <dutchie> yeah, fine
[19:59] <vish> well any screenshot involving this > https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-doc/2010-April/014704.html
[20:00] <trijntje> Hi all, I have a question about making the screenshots for the manual. I want to use the live-cd, but that's has 400MB of updates (with translations). Will those translations be active when I install the updates or do I have to restart before they work?
[20:00] <vish> the boot screen has changed , err , minimilized rather
[20:02] <ubuntujenkins> thanks for the heads up vish  I had seen it we are not effected
[20:02] <vish> cool
[20:03] <ubuntujenkins> trijntje: you would need to download them everytime you run the live cd. how ever you don't need to reboot for them to take effect you may have to log out and then back in again. If you take all the screenshots now i can check them all when you are done and see if any need redoing to save you having to do them again
[20:04] <ubuntujenkins> *another time
[20:05] <trijntje> ubuntujenkins: Wont I be able to see for myself if any translations are missing when using quickshot?
[20:06] <ubuntujenkins> yes you would and you only need to update the language you are doing. What i ment, was that i would check if you had screenshot the wrong thing by mistake
[20:10] <trijntje> Ah I see, ill be off to take the screenshots now, cu later
[20:10] <ubuntujenkins> later o/
[20:27] <trijntje> ubuntujenkins, I'm on the live-cd now, I set the language and logged in and out (twice) but the whole system is still in English
[20:27] <ubuntujenkins> what lanaguge are you trying to set?
[20:27] <trijntje> Dutch/Nederlands
[20:27] <ubuntujenkins> how did you set it?
[20:28] <trijntje> system -> administration -> language support
[20:28] <ubuntujenkins> when you choose the quickshot user on the log in screen (before you enter the password) in the bottom left choose Dutch
[20:29] <trijntje> thanks, ill try that
[20:29] <ubuntujenkins> no problem that should work
[20:32] <ubuntujenkins> please say it works?
[20:40] <trijntje_quicksh> ubuntujenkins, well the language does. But how can I get it to ask the username for the new system without messing with my partitions
[20:40] <ubuntujenkins> put a flash drive in?
[20:40] <ubuntujenkins> external hard disk
[20:41] <ubuntujenkins> when you do full screen ones please close irc
[20:42] <trijntje_quicksh> ill go and find one, this is harder than I thought
[20:42] <ubuntujenkins> thats the manuals fault not quickshot :P
[20:43] <trijntje_quicksh> hehe, i'm not blaming anyone
[20:46]  * dutchie pokes godbyk for general latex help again
[20:46]  * godbyk wakes up and glances at his irc client
[20:46] <godbyk> what's up?
[20:46] <dutchie> to get texdoc, do I run "sudo tlmgr install texdoc"?
[20:47] <godbyk> dutchie: looks like it
[20:47] <dutchie> see, I'm learning
[20:47] <godbyk> :)
[20:47] <godbyk> you can also try 'tlmgr search texdoc' and 'tlmgr show texdoc' to get more info on it.
[20:48] <godbyk> (it's almost like apt-get.)
[20:48] <godbyk> dutchie: you should just give in and install all 2.5 GB and be done with it. ;-)
[20:49] <dutchie> could do
[20:49] <dutchie> but this is only a little 16G ssd
[20:49] <godbyk> ah, bummer.
[20:49] <dutchie> /dev/sda1              15G  9.2G  4.2G  69% /
[20:49] <godbyk> do it anyway.. just turn it into an ubuntu-manual-only workstation. :)
[20:51] <dutchie> not since my main lappy psu exploded
[20:51] <dutchie> in fairness I don't do a lot non-latex stuff on here now
[20:51] <dutchie> +of
[20:54] <godbyk> that stinks.  my computers are getting pretty old and I'd really like to buy new ones, but that involves having money which involves having a job which is probably dependent upon my finishing this degree which, in turn, means I should write a dissertation soon. :-/
[20:56] <dutchie> which requires non-broken computers, which brings us back to the start
[20:56] <dutchie> CS?
[20:57] <godbyk> HCI
[20:58] <ubuntujenkins> trijntje: ping
[20:58]  * dutchie will be embarking upon a maths degree in october
[20:59] <godbyk> dutchie: graduate school?
[21:00] <dutchie> oxford university undergraduate
[21:00] <ubuntujenkins> nice :-) well done
[21:01] <dutchie> still got to get the offer :)
[21:01] <dutchie> which is the exact reason I should not be on IRC right now
[21:01] <godbyk> lol
[21:01] <godbyk> well, see, you'll need a good latex installation for that maths program. :-)
[21:02] <dutchie> well, the maths coursework I am writing now
[21:02] <trijntje> ubuntujenkins: pong
[21:02] <ubuntujenkins> are you familier with gconf-editor ?
[21:04] <ubuntujenkins> trijntje: in gconf-editor can you go apps/metacity/general folder, select the button_layout item, and change the value there to close,minimize,maximize: please ?
[21:05] <ubuntujenkins> sorry it should be close,minimize,maximize:menu
[21:06] <ubuntujenkins> Red_HamsterX: ping
[21:06] <trijntje> ubuntujenkins: ok, what should that do?
[21:07] <ubuntujenkins> it will move the buttons to the new order and save me some work
[21:07] <ubuntujenkins> don't worry if you can't use gconf-editor
[21:08] <trijntje> ubuntujenkins: done
[21:09] <ubuntujenkins> thanks the order should look like http://screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org/data/01-confirmation@el@1271495324.png
[21:10] <ubuntujenkins> i can fix the ones you have done so far
[21:10] <trijntje> ubuntujenkins: correct, except I also have something in the right upper corner
[21:11] <ubuntujenkins> hang on i am not 100% that it is ment to be there, let me just set up a new user and check
[21:11] <trijntje> ok
[21:13] <ubuntujenkins> sorry thats my fault just delete the menu bit from it
[21:13] <ubuntujenkins> close,minimize,maximize:
[21:13] <ubuntujenkins> thansk trijntje saves me some time
[21:16] <trijntje> ok, no problem, ill remove the menu bit
[21:29] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: ping
[21:29] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: pong
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> for quickshot and the server and the entering your password and -mail to get a hash code would we tie that to the program or the user account?
[21:44] <trijntje> pff, cant get evolution to ask for my password
[21:45] <ubuntujenkins> trijntje: have you set it up right, go edit > preferences  choose the account and click edit ....
[21:46] <ubuntujenkins> on the sending and recving e-mails is ssl encription set? and server requires authentication ticked?
[21:49] <trijntje> ubuntujenkins: yes
[21:49] <ubuntujenkins> what server settings do you haev?
[21:52] <trijntje> receiving: server imap.gmail.com, SSL + password
[21:53] <trijntje> sending:smtp.gmail.com, ticked requires login, SSL, PLAIN
[21:54] <ubuntujenkins> hmm that should work
[21:54] <ubuntujenkins> has the user name got @googlemail.com after it?
[21:54] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: http://imagebin.org/93637 its very rough and only three windows but what are your thoughts?
[21:55] <trijntje> ubuntujenkins: it works now after the 10th restart, I dont know why
[21:55] <ubuntujenkins> ok strange
[21:57] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: can we get screenshots of each of the existing quickshot windows and dialogs?
[21:57] <godbyk> then we can lay out the current workflow and see what steps we can simplify and what we'll need to add for the new features we want to implement.
[21:58] <ubuntujenkins> I can do, I would like to try an keep all the windows the same size this time.
[22:01] <trijntje> When is the deadline for the screenshots? I'd like the time to fix some translations that appear in the screenshots
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> trijntje: rc ideally but, when ever you like if you upload more it will update them
[22:02] <ubuntujenkins> brb
[22:03] <trijntje> ok, that should be enough time
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: please check you gmail account i have sent you some screenshots
[22:16] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: nothing yet.
[22:17] <ubuntujenkins> I sent it at 22.13, strage
[22:17] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: ah, here it is. just showed up
[22:19] <ubuntujenkins> its a bit of a mess this release, all a bit rushed
[22:21] <godbyk> I understand.  We'll be making it awesome for this next release. :)
[22:24] <ubuntujenkins> so what are your thoughts?
[22:26] <trijntje> well i'm off, thanks for your help ubuntujenkins, ill do some more screenshots tomorrow
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> no problem trijntje, see you tomorrow
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> you will be glad to know they are all ok
[22:27] <trijntje> thats good to hear, quickshot is pretty cool
[22:27] <ubuntujenkins> trijntje: it will be amazing next release
[22:29] <trijntje> I'm sure, its so young and already easy to use
[22:30] <trijntje> cu later
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins> o/
[22:53] <dutchie> did we bother with a slogan in the end?
[22:53] <ubuntujenkins> we couldn't decide someone was going to mail the list
[22:54] <dutchie> looks like the blog post is just called "The Ubuntu Manual" then, unless someone can think of a better title
[22:59] <ubuntujenkins> i can't think of anything,
[23:01] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: would you like to have a chat tomorrow on your thoughts for the qui? I will try and expand on my thoughts.
[23:02] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: sure!
[23:02] <godbyk> I'll take a look at the current screens and the features we want to add and see what I can come up with, too.
[23:02] <ubuntujenkins> cool, talk tomorrow, night
[23:03] <ubuntujenkins> night all
[23:03] <godbyk> g'night, ubuntujenkins