[01:23] <nigelb> I'll be talking to dholbach later today to make a list of things-to-do before Patch Day.
[01:45] <nigelb> persia, due to the overwhelming lack of participation for review leads, I guess we'll both have to fill up the remaining hours :/
[01:45] <persia> Fine by me :)
[01:45] <nigelb> I'll make a last ditch recruitment effort on the last week of the month
[01:46] <nigelb> if that doesn't work, bunk work, and live in front of the computer for 49 hours
[01:58] <ajmitch> nigelb: that sounds like a fun option, be sure to have plenty of caffeine on hand
[01:59] <nigelb> ajmitch, that was just an exaggeration.  I'll probably do only 8 hours at a time
[02:00] <ajmitch> 8 hours on, sleep for 1 hour, back to the computer?
[02:00] <nigelb> ajmitch, persia will be around too :)
[02:01]  * ajmitch would help out if he knew what he was doing :)
[02:01] <nigelb> oh yaay!
[02:01] <nigelb> you need to know https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam/GettingInvolved
[02:02] <nigelb> you need to know how bug (and patch) upstreaming and ubuntu development (making debdiff, etc)
[02:02] <nigelb> If you do, please sign up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatchDay
[02:03] <ajmitch> yeah, it's the more recent things like working with bzr branches that I need to read up on
[02:04] <ajmitch> it'd be over a thursday/friday for me
[02:04]  * ajmitch wonders if someone will make up some greasemonkey scripts for handling these tags
[02:04] <ajmitch> anyway, must go out for lunch, back soon
[08:22] <dholbach> good morning
[12:26] <nigelb> dholbach, in another 1.5 hours?
[12:27] <ibuclaw> hey nigelb - what's up?
[12:27] <nigelb> heya ibuclaw :)
[12:28] <hyperair> 1.5h? what's going on?
[12:28] <nigelb> hyperair, call
[12:28] <hyperair> nigelb: call?
[12:29] <nigelb> hyperair, yeah
[12:29]  * hyperair doesn't understand
[12:29] <nigelb> call, skype, talk
[12:29] <hyperair> oh that
[12:30] <ibuclaw> nigelb, ooh, fun times
[12:30]  * ibuclaw is on the pcmanfm changelog yay!
[12:30] <nigelb> ibuclaw, oooh
[12:31] <ibuclaw> https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/0.5.2+svn20091029-1ubuntu3
[12:32] <ibuclaw> not sure if it is in the main repos yet.
[12:33] <nigelb> ibuclaw, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/p/pcmanfm/pcmanfm_0.5.2+svn20091029-1ubuntu3/changelog
[12:33] <nigelb> Iain Bucław?
[12:33] <ibuclaw> yepo =)
[12:34] <ibuclaw> shame that one polish character isn't ascii
[12:34] <nigelb> heh
[12:35] <ibuclaw> have been using just plain 'Buclaw' for the updates I push for gdc
[12:36] <ibuclaw> nigelb, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/g/gdc-4.3/gdc-4.3_1.046-4.3.4-3ubuntu1/changelog
[12:37] <nigelb> w00t w00t lots of gdc entries :)
[12:38] <ibuclaw> lots of work have been put into it. =)
[12:38] <ibuclaw> nigelb, afterall ... I *am* the maintainer of the package.
[12:38] <nigelb> 0_0
[12:42] <ibuclaw> nigelb, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gdc-4.3.html
[12:42] <\vish> heya , who's up for making a depdiff of this > http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=136114
[12:42] <\vish> its for a bug in the review list for Bug #111939
[12:42] <ubot3> Malone bug 111939 in metacity "Not possible to alt-tab during a drag-and-drop operation" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111939
[12:42] <nigelb> ibuclaw, wow :)
[12:42] <nigelb> \vish, I can make a debdiff (I made once) can test?
[12:43]  * nigelb did ask \vish to test some time back too!
[12:43] <\vish> nigelb:  test ? how?
[12:43] <nigelb> \vish, I'll push it onto a ppa and you have to update your metacity to that one
[12:43] <ibuclaw> nigelb, don't ask how it happened ... I just asked nhandler and he suggested that I email doko about it. One thing led to another and he is now sponsoring me (or keeping a watchful eye, I'm not sure which)
[12:43] <\vish> ah righto..
[12:44] <nigelb> ibuclaw, its so totally totally cool :)
[12:44] <nigelb> \vish, 20 mins tops
[12:44] <\vish> bah everything is a bit of a mess in my system , there is a memory swap leak and i'm not able to do things :s
[12:44] <\vish> nigelb: neat
[12:49] <dholbach> nigelb: yep
[12:50] <nigelb> dholbach, :)
[12:57] <nhandler> ibuclaw: I'm glad to see that worked out for you
[12:59] <nigelb> bdrung, thank you :)
[12:59] <nigelb> re: patch day
[12:59] <bdrung> you're welcome :)
[13:16] <\vish> nigelbabu: hmm , i think bdrung had commented for a debdiff a long time ... we[I] could have done that a long time ago :s
[13:16] <\vish> done the testing i mean ;p
[13:17] <bdrung> \vish: which bug?
[13:17] <\vish> bdmurray:  Bug #111939
[13:17] <ubot3> Malone bug 111939 in metacity "Not possible to alt-tab during a drag-and-drop operation" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111939
[13:17] <\vish> oops bdrung ^
[13:18] <\vish> bdrung: seems nigelbabu had the debdiff done a while back and was just waiting for testing
[13:19] <bdrung> oh
[13:21] <nigelbabu> \vish, I did a debdiff some time back
[13:21] <nigelbabu> but the package got updated
[13:38] <nigelbabu> vish, thank you.  the \ was getting tough
[13:39] <vish> nigelbabu: damn! will change back ;p
[13:39] <vish> some problem with nm , keeps dropping my signal :s
[13:40] <nigelbabu> its going to rain cats and dogs out here.  I hope power doesn't go out
[13:41] <nigelbabu> vish, do you have FFE for this?
[13:42] <vish> nigelbabu: i dont think we need an FFE for that , probably a stable release update will do
[13:42] <nigelbabu> vish, we do, its not a bug fix
[13:43] <vish> nigelbabu: i would consider it a bug though.. ;)
[13:44] <vish> nigelbabu: anyway , irrespective of when it is getting fixed , we need a debdiff ;)
[13:44] <nigelbabu> true.  getting
[14:19] <nigelbabu> that was a productive talk :)
[14:30] <vish> ^ cjohnston in a timemachine  ;p ?
[14:30] <cjohnston> lol
[14:30] <cjohnston> setting it up so its ready
[14:30] <vish> cjohnston: you are at the hotel now getting it ready or.. just setting the nick?
[14:31] <cjohnston> just the nick...
[14:31] <cjohnston> I'm in ~50 channels on this connection.. so im setting up another irssi for uds
[14:31] <cjohnston> make it a little easier
[14:34] <cjohnston> im trying to figure out how i set this one up tho to match it.. easier said than done
[15:24] <nigelbabu> vish, built on ppa.  pleaes test and let me know
[15:38] <vish> hmm , let me restart session
[15:38]  * vish brb
[15:40] <nigelbabu> vish, works?
[15:41] <vish> nigelbabu: oddly no :(  did it work for you on karmic?
[15:41] <nigelbabu> I didn't test on karmic
[15:41] <vish> i still can alt+tab while dragging
[15:41] <vish> cant*
[15:41] <nigelbabu> strange
[15:41] <nigelbabu> sure you have the PPA version installed?
[15:42] <vish> nigelbabu: it was only metacity and metacity common right?
[15:42] <nigelbabu> yeah
[15:44] <vish> hmm , wait there is libmetacity-private0 , installed that one too , let me try a session restart
[15:46] <vish> nigelbabu: no go :(
[15:46] <nigelbabu> aw :(
[15:47] <vish> odd that mclasen mentions it works perfectly in fedora :s
[15:47] <nigelbabu> yeah, extremely :)
[15:47] <vish> heh , lets blame sabdfl on this one too ;p
[15:47] <nigelbabu> lol
[15:48] <vish> nigelbabu: check if it works in karmic..
[15:48] <nigelbabu> vish, checking
[15:50] <keffie_jayx> hey nigelbabu, just read dholbach post
[15:50]  * vish brb
[15:50] <nigelbabu> keffie_jayx, great, so you want to help us reviewing and also translating right?
[15:50] <keffie_jayx> I have only done one review but the process is quite simple. Can one help out after the 5th of may ?
[15:50] <keffie_jayx> sure
[15:51] <nigelbabu> keffie_jayx, you can help out at any point. the 5th may is only a day to get lots of people engaged.
[15:51] <nigelbabu> I hope to have everyone review at least one patch per day :)
[15:52] <nigelbabu> keffie_jayx, you want to translate immediately or after May 5?
[15:52] <keffie_jayx> great. I am getting some of the people in my city going with the little things I know about ubuntu development and patch reviewing has been suggested as a simple starting point
[15:52] <keffie_jayx> nigelbabu: I could help now
[15:52] <dholbach> keffie_jayx: nigelbabu and I were hoping to factor in some feedback into the page before may 5th, so it might make sense to have a look at the page again closer to the time
[15:52] <nigelbabu> that's great.  I've been hoping to have patch review be the simple start point
[15:53] <dholbach> but I epxect "just additions" like more examples and stuff
[15:53] <nigelbabu> keffie_jayx, if you're starting now, just be subscribed to the page, so you can be alerted when we make changes
[15:53] <dholbach> this is going to be awesome
[15:53] <dholbach> I just know it
[15:54] <keffie_jayx> ok
[15:54] <nigelbabu> keffie_jayx, thank you for helping.  any help at any point, let me know.  will be glad to help :)
[15:54] <keffie_jayx> let me subscribe to the wiki and also see if I can remember some of the process
[15:54] <qense> dholbach: Will Mergimus be discussed during the UDS? I'm attending and I saw you have two blueprints on the patch review initiative. I've offered nigelbabu my help with writing Mergimus and I was wondering what session would be best for me to attend.
[15:55] <nigelbabu> keffie_jayx, also, any feedback on the process is very much welcome :)
[15:55] <dholbach> qense: Mergimus is no requirement for following the process outlined on the wiki
[15:56] <keffie_jayx> nigelbabu: the process intends to be simple, However, Ihave a knack for running into brickwalls ... ain't that right dholbach?
[15:56] <dholbach> qense: but we can sure discuss it
[15:56]  * dholbach hugs keffie_jayx
[15:56] <keffie_jayx> nigelbabu: will do
[15:56] <nigelbabu> Awesome!  Thank you.
[15:57] <qense> dholbach: OK. I'll see it then.
[15:57] <qense> There is already some code, but it doesn't do much yet. :)
[15:57] <dholbach> qense: right
[15:57] <nigelbabu> vish, ahhh
[15:57] <nigelbabu> vish, compiz is our default.  Did you change to metacity
[15:57] <dholbach> if mergimus can make the task of getting the source, applying the patch correctly, etc etc it can be part of the task
[15:58] <dholbach> the thing is that the process requires the web browser too (upstream bug trackers, adding tags to LP, etc.)
[15:58] <dholbach> so I dunno yet
[15:58] <dholbach> but sounds like a good idea to discuss
[15:58] <qense> At the moment it can get an authenticated launchpad object, display an empty notebook with two tabs and a TreeView where you can add the names of valid packages!
[15:59] <keffie_jayx> nigelbabu: I remember the only patch I ever did was not resolved. I tried the patch and it worked. since upstream wouldn't pick it up. i believe that was that
[15:59] <qense> and it has translation support, which is pretty pointless at the moment. But you can translate it already! :P
[15:59] <keffie_jayx> nigelbabu: I guess I was expecting some kind of completion.
[15:59] <nigelbabu> keffie_jayx, generally, we forward patches to upstream and hear their comments
[16:00] <nigelbabu> if upstream refuses, its upto debian maintainer/ubuntu maintainer (if any) to make a call
[16:00] <keffie_jayx> nigelbabu: I did that, and upstream seems to have abandomed the app imho
[16:00] <nigelbabu> keffie_jayx, ah.  In that case, you can look at changelog and see who upload and get in touch with that person
[16:00] <keffie_jayx> the bugis also in debian and no call from them either
[16:01] <nigelbabu> what package?
[16:01] <keffie_jayx> tsclient
[16:01]  * keffie_jayx fetches for the bug
[16:03] <vish> nigelbabu: just what i was thinking when i was away :D , gonna test that
[16:03] <nigelbabu> vish, I remembered when didrocks told me :)
[16:05] <vish> !test
[16:05] <ubot3> hrm?
[16:06] <keffie_jayx> nigelbabu:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tsclient/+bug/63412
[16:06] <ubot3> Malone bug 63412 in tsclient "Few resolution options" [Wishlist,New]
[16:06] <keffie_jayx> nigelbabu:  it is also an app that at the time was in main, so I guess the desktop team had to decide on it.
[16:07] <vish> nigelbabu: yay , works with metacity..
[16:07] <nigelbabu> keffie_jayx, when patching something under desktop team.  the easy way is check with them :)
[16:07] <vish> but noticed what didrocks mentioned
[16:08] <nigelbabu> vish, that is for poppler bug
[16:08] <vish> ah..
[16:19] <keffie_jayx> nigelbabu:  the status of the bug is still new... after 3 years should I mark it as triaged at least?
[16:20] <nigelbabu> vish, can you look into the ^ bug? (I'm hunting through fedora cvs)
[16:20] <vish> keffie_jayx: if the bug has enough info , btw bug# ?
[16:20] <keffie_jayx> vish:  https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tsclient/+bug/63412
[16:20] <ubot3> Malone bug 63412 in tsclient "Few resolution options" [Wishlist,New]
[16:21] <keffie_jayx> it has quite a few comments
[16:25] <vish> keffie_jayx: yup that can be set to triaged..
[16:25] <vish> sad that upstream hasnt commented on the patch though ..
[16:26] <vish> keffie_jayx: any reason you changed the bug from confirmed -> new?
[16:27] <keffie_jayx> honestly I can't remember doing that
[16:27] <keffie_jayx> it's been a while, confirmed is the right status then?
[16:28] <vish> keffie_jayx: triaged would be better
[16:28] <keffie_jayx> vish: the app has a devel branch that does not see activity for more than 2 years. Fedora already ships the latest code from them. shouldn't a package upgrade be an option here?
[16:30] <nigelbabu> vish, how on earth are we supposed to make sense of fedora CVS?
[16:30] <vish> keffie_jayx: i didnt understand , what you said..
[16:31] <vish> nigelbabu: hehe , dont know :D , i never looked at fedora bugs ;)  try google
[16:32] <nigelbabu> vish, no no, I'm looking for the commit
[16:32] <vish> nigelbabu: try the bug first , it would probably have a link
[16:32] <keffie_jayx> vish: the patch is for a stable version of tclient, however there is a newer version, and debian has a bug indicating an update. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530953
[16:32] <ubot3> Debian bug 530953 in tsclient "New version available: tsclient" [Wishlist,Open]
[16:33] <keffie_jayx> vish:  and that would be desktop teams call I guess
[16:34] <nigelbabu> keffie_jayx, can you ask lool about this?  he's part of the debian gnome team that takes care of this
[16:34] <vish> keffie_jayx: yeah , not really a review team matter , pitti has already commented on the bug , it is more of a Main sponsors issue now
[16:35] <keffie_jayx> vish: good then...
[16:35] <keffie_jayx> dholbach: harvest tricked me...
[16:35]  * keffie_jayx runs
[16:35] <dholbach> keffie_jayx: I hope we get the new version online soon
[16:41] <nigelbabu> keffie_jayx, pitti summarises what I feel about the patch too.
[16:41] <nigelbabu> The patch is so big, we'd generally leave it to upstream to take care of it.  Asking debian folks is a good idea too.  Open bug in Debian BTS with patch and see what happens
[16:54] <nigelbabu> james_w, you're james-w at ubuntu dot com?
[16:57] <james_w> james.westby
[16:57] <nigelbabu> ha, thank you :)
[17:23] <nigelbabu> dholbach, when you're fee just let me know
[17:23] <dholbach> nigelbabu: I am
[17:23] <nigelbabu> dholbach, ok, so the mail should have info about monday and review of wiki.  anything else?
[17:25] <dholbach> nigelbabu: sounds good to me
[17:25] <nigelbabu> :)
[17:30] <nigelbabu> sent :)