[01:23] I'll be talking to dholbach later today to make a list of things-to-do before Patch Day. [01:45] persia, due to the overwhelming lack of participation for review leads, I guess we'll both have to fill up the remaining hours :/ [01:45] Fine by me :) [01:45] I'll make a last ditch recruitment effort on the last week of the month [01:46] if that doesn't work, bunk work, and live in front of the computer for 49 hours [01:58] nigelb: that sounds like a fun option, be sure to have plenty of caffeine on hand [01:59] ajmitch, that was just an exaggeration. I'll probably do only 8 hours at a time [02:00] 8 hours on, sleep for 1 hour, back to the computer? [02:00] ajmitch, persia will be around too :) [02:01] * ajmitch would help out if he knew what he was doing :) [02:01] oh yaay! [02:01] you need to know https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReviewersTeam/GettingInvolved [02:02] you need to know how bug (and patch) upstreaming and ubuntu development (making debdiff, etc) [02:02] If you do, please sign up https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PatchDay [02:03] yeah, it's the more recent things like working with bzr branches that I need to read up on [02:04] it'd be over a thursday/friday for me [02:04] * ajmitch wonders if someone will make up some greasemonkey scripts for handling these tags [02:04] anyway, must go out for lunch, back soon [08:22] good morning [12:26] dholbach, in another 1.5 hours? [12:27] hey nigelb - what's up? [12:27] heya ibuclaw :) [12:28] 1.5h? what's going on? [12:28] hyperair, call [12:28] nigelb: call? [12:29] hyperair, yeah [12:29] * hyperair doesn't understand [12:29] call, skype, talk [12:29] oh that [12:30] nigelb, ooh, fun times [12:30] * ibuclaw is on the pcmanfm changelog yay! [12:30] ibuclaw, oooh [12:31] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pcmanfm/0.5.2+svn20091029-1ubuntu3 [12:32] not sure if it is in the main repos yet. [12:33] ibuclaw, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/p/pcmanfm/pcmanfm_0.5.2+svn20091029-1ubuntu3/changelog [12:33] Iain Bucław? [12:33] yepo =) [12:34] shame that one polish character isn't ascii [12:34] heh [12:35] have been using just plain 'Buclaw' for the updates I push for gdc [12:36] nigelb, http://changelogs.ubuntu.com/changelogs/pool/universe/g/gdc-4.3/gdc-4.3_1.046-4.3.4-3ubuntu1/changelog [12:37] w00t w00t lots of gdc entries :) [12:38] lots of work have been put into it. =) [12:38] nigelb, afterall ... I *am* the maintainer of the package. [12:38] 0_0 [12:42] nigelb, http://packages.qa.debian.org/g/gdc-4.3.html [12:42] <\vish> heya , who's up for making a depdiff of this > http://bugzilla-attachments.gnome.org/attachment.cgi?id=136114 [12:42] <\vish> its for a bug in the review list for Bug #111939 [12:42] Malone bug 111939 in metacity "Not possible to alt-tab during a drag-and-drop operation" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111939 [12:42] ibuclaw, wow :) [12:42] \vish, I can make a debdiff (I made once) can test? [12:43] * nigelb did ask \vish to test some time back too! [12:43] <\vish> nigelb: test ? how? [12:43] \vish, I'll push it onto a ppa and you have to update your metacity to that one [12:43] nigelb, don't ask how it happened ... I just asked nhandler and he suggested that I email doko about it. One thing led to another and he is now sponsoring me (or keeping a watchful eye, I'm not sure which) [12:43] <\vish> ah righto.. [12:44] ibuclaw, its so totally totally cool :) [12:44] \vish, 20 mins tops [12:44] <\vish> bah everything is a bit of a mess in my system , there is a memory swap leak and i'm not able to do things :s [12:44] <\vish> nigelb: neat [12:49] nigelb: yep [12:50] dholbach, :) [12:57] ibuclaw: I'm glad to see that worked out for you [12:59] bdrung, thank you :) [12:59] re: patch day [12:59] you're welcome :) [13:16] <\vish> nigelbabu: hmm , i think bdrung had commented for a debdiff a long time ... we[I] could have done that a long time ago :s [13:16] <\vish> done the testing i mean ;p [13:17] \vish: which bug? [13:17] <\vish> bdmurray: Bug #111939 [13:17] Malone bug 111939 in metacity "Not possible to alt-tab during a drag-and-drop operation" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111939 [13:17] <\vish> oops bdrung ^ [13:18] <\vish> bdrung: seems nigelbabu had the debdiff done a while back and was just waiting for testing [13:19] oh [13:21] \vish, I did a debdiff some time back [13:21] but the package got updated === \vish is now known as vish [13:38] vish, thank you. the \ was getting tough [13:39] nigelbabu: damn! will change back ;p [13:39] some problem with nm , keeps dropping my signal :s [13:40] its going to rain cats and dogs out here. I hope power doesn't go out [13:41] vish, do you have FFE for this? [13:42] nigelbabu: i dont think we need an FFE for that , probably a stable release update will do [13:42] vish, we do, its not a bug fix [13:43] nigelbabu: i would consider it a bug though.. ;) [13:44] nigelbabu: anyway , irrespective of when it is getting fixed , we need a debdiff ;) [13:44] true. getting [14:19] that was a productive talk :) === cjohnston is now known as cjohnston|uds === cjohnston|uds is now known as cjohnston [14:30] ^ cjohnston in a timemachine ;p ? [14:30] lol [14:30] setting it up so its ready [14:30] cjohnston: you are at the hotel now getting it ready or.. just setting the nick? [14:31] just the nick... [14:31] I'm in ~50 channels on this connection.. so im setting up another irssi for uds [14:31] make it a little easier [14:34] im trying to figure out how i set this one up tho to match it.. easier said than done [15:24] vish, built on ppa. pleaes test and let me know [15:38] hmm , let me restart session [15:38] * vish brb [15:40] vish, works? [15:41] nigelbabu: oddly no :( did it work for you on karmic? [15:41] I didn't test on karmic [15:41] i still can alt+tab while dragging [15:41] cant* [15:41] strange [15:41] sure you have the PPA version installed? [15:42] nigelbabu: it was only metacity and metacity common right? [15:42] yeah [15:44] hmm , wait there is libmetacity-private0 , installed that one too , let me try a session restart [15:46] nigelbabu: no go :( [15:46] aw :( [15:47] odd that mclasen mentions it works perfectly in fedora :s [15:47] yeah, extremely :) [15:47] heh , lets blame sabdfl on this one too ;p [15:47] lol [15:48] nigelbabu: check if it works in karmic.. [15:48] vish, checking [15:50] hey nigelbabu, just read dholbach post [15:50] * vish brb [15:50] keffie_jayx, great, so you want to help us reviewing and also translating right? [15:50] I have only done one review but the process is quite simple. Can one help out after the 5th of may ? [15:50] sure [15:51] keffie_jayx, you can help out at any point. the 5th may is only a day to get lots of people engaged. [15:51] I hope to have everyone review at least one patch per day :) [15:52] keffie_jayx, you want to translate immediately or after May 5? [15:52] great. I am getting some of the people in my city going with the little things I know about ubuntu development and patch reviewing has been suggested as a simple starting point [15:52] nigelbabu: I could help now [15:52] keffie_jayx: nigelbabu and I were hoping to factor in some feedback into the page before may 5th, so it might make sense to have a look at the page again closer to the time [15:52] that's great. I've been hoping to have patch review be the simple start point [15:53] but I epxect "just additions" like more examples and stuff [15:53] keffie_jayx, if you're starting now, just be subscribed to the page, so you can be alerted when we make changes [15:53] this is going to be awesome [15:53] I just know it [15:54] ok [15:54] keffie_jayx, thank you for helping. any help at any point, let me know. will be glad to help :) [15:54] let me subscribe to the wiki and also see if I can remember some of the process [15:54] dholbach: Will Mergimus be discussed during the UDS? I'm attending and I saw you have two blueprints on the patch review initiative. I've offered nigelbabu my help with writing Mergimus and I was wondering what session would be best for me to attend. [15:55] keffie_jayx, also, any feedback on the process is very much welcome :) [15:55] qense: Mergimus is no requirement for following the process outlined on the wiki [15:56] nigelbabu: the process intends to be simple, However, Ihave a knack for running into brickwalls ... ain't that right dholbach? [15:56] qense: but we can sure discuss it [15:56] * dholbach hugs keffie_jayx [15:56] nigelbabu: will do [15:56] Awesome! Thank you. [15:57] dholbach: OK. I'll see it then. [15:57] There is already some code, but it doesn't do much yet. :) [15:57] qense: right [15:57] vish, ahhh [15:57] vish, compiz is our default. Did you change to metacity [15:57] if mergimus can make the task of getting the source, applying the patch correctly, etc etc it can be part of the task [15:58] the thing is that the process requires the web browser too (upstream bug trackers, adding tags to LP, etc.) [15:58] so I dunno yet [15:58] but sounds like a good idea to discuss [15:58] At the moment it can get an authenticated launchpad object, display an empty notebook with two tabs and a TreeView where you can add the names of valid packages! [15:59] nigelbabu: I remember the only patch I ever did was not resolved. I tried the patch and it worked. since upstream wouldn't pick it up. i believe that was that [15:59] and it has translation support, which is pretty pointless at the moment. But you can translate it already! :P [15:59] nigelbabu: I guess I was expecting some kind of completion. [15:59] keffie_jayx, generally, we forward patches to upstream and hear their comments [16:00] if upstream refuses, its upto debian maintainer/ubuntu maintainer (if any) to make a call [16:00] nigelbabu: I did that, and upstream seems to have abandomed the app imho [16:00] keffie_jayx, ah. In that case, you can look at changelog and see who upload and get in touch with that person [16:00] the bugis also in debian and no call from them either [16:01] what package? [16:01] tsclient [16:01] * keffie_jayx fetches for the bug [16:03] nigelbabu: just what i was thinking when i was away :D , gonna test that [16:03] vish, I remembered when didrocks told me :) [16:05] !test [16:05] hrm? [16:06] nigelbabu: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tsclient/+bug/63412 [16:06] Malone bug 63412 in tsclient "Few resolution options" [Wishlist,New] [16:06] nigelbabu: it is also an app that at the time was in main, so I guess the desktop team had to decide on it. [16:07] nigelbabu: yay , works with metacity.. [16:07] keffie_jayx, when patching something under desktop team. the easy way is check with them :) [16:07] but noticed what didrocks mentioned [16:08] vish, that is for poppler bug [16:08] ah.. [16:19] nigelbabu: the status of the bug is still new... after 3 years should I mark it as triaged at least? [16:20] vish, can you look into the ^ bug? (I'm hunting through fedora cvs) [16:20] keffie_jayx: if the bug has enough info , btw bug# ? [16:20] vish: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tsclient/+bug/63412 [16:20] Malone bug 63412 in tsclient "Few resolution options" [Wishlist,New] [16:21] it has quite a few comments [16:25] keffie_jayx: yup that can be set to triaged.. [16:25] sad that upstream hasnt commented on the patch though .. [16:26] keffie_jayx: any reason you changed the bug from confirmed -> new? [16:27] honestly I can't remember doing that [16:27] it's been a while, confirmed is the right status then? [16:28] keffie_jayx: triaged would be better [16:28] vish: the app has a devel branch that does not see activity for more than 2 years. Fedora already ships the latest code from them. shouldn't a package upgrade be an option here? [16:30] vish, how on earth are we supposed to make sense of fedora CVS? [16:30] keffie_jayx: i didnt understand , what you said.. [16:31] nigelbabu: hehe , dont know :D , i never looked at fedora bugs ;) try google [16:32] vish, no no, I'm looking for the commit [16:32] nigelbabu: try the bug first , it would probably have a link [16:32] vish: the patch is for a stable version of tclient, however there is a newer version, and debian has a bug indicating an update. http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=530953 [16:32] Debian bug 530953 in tsclient "New version available: tsclient" [Wishlist,Open] [16:33] vish: and that would be desktop teams call I guess [16:34] keffie_jayx, can you ask lool about this? he's part of the debian gnome team that takes care of this [16:34] keffie_jayx: yeah , not really a review team matter , pitti has already commented on the bug , it is more of a Main sponsors issue now [16:35] vish: good then... [16:35] dholbach: harvest tricked me... [16:35] * keffie_jayx runs [16:35] keffie_jayx: I hope we get the new version online soon [16:41] keffie_jayx, pitti summarises what I feel about the patch too. [16:41] The patch is so big, we'd generally leave it to upstream to take care of it. Asking debian folks is a good idea too. Open bug in Debian BTS with patch and see what happens [16:54] james_w, you're james-w at ubuntu dot com? [16:57] james.westby [16:57] ha, thank you :) [17:23] dholbach, when you're fee just let me know [17:23] nigelbabu: I am [17:23] dholbach, ok, so the mail should have info about monday and review of wiki. anything else? [17:25] nigelbabu: sounds good to me [17:25] :) [17:30] sent :) === yofel_ is now known as yofel