[00:01] <TheMuso> persia: There s discussion on pkg-multimedia about the various versions of jackd, and having them all available in debian. Seems upstream is not pleased about jack2 being treated as the successor to jack1. Add to that, there is also a third jack implementation called tschack, and there is also jack3, which is a c++ rewrite of jack1.
[00:02] <persia> heh.  Madness.
[00:02] <TheMuso> yup
[00:02] <persia> But I like the kraftwerk reference.
[00:05] <TheMuso> heh
[01:54] <ScottL> TheMuso, does jack2 work on single core computers? if so, then why would we (or anyone) want to have jack1?
[01:56] <ScottL> and where is the benefit in rewriting jack1 in c++?  does it reduce a dependency?
[02:06] <TheMuso> ScottL: Afaik jack2 does work on single core/CPU machines./
[02:06] <TheMuso> ScottL: Rewriting jac1 in C++ is probably useful for code maintainability/extendability, not sure why else.
[02:17] <persia> Some folk also just like rewriting stuff in different languages
[14:56] <scott-work> persia, TheMuso : i'm still working on that paper I told you about, my father came to visit this weekend and used up my spare time that I had allotted, i _really_ want to be finished by this friday
[14:56] <scott-work> detrate: ping
[22:37] <detrate> hi
[22:39] <detrate> I'm not sure if I have the xcf for the website anymore, I switched from ubuntu studio back to plain ubuntu after ~a week for a few reasons.
[22:40] <detrate> I thought the workflow would cater more towards artists / musicians but I saw no obvious organization of this, just additional packages... it seemed over simplified to the point where I felt I was losing features and it was less stable for me than regular ubuntu
[22:40] <persia> less stable?  That seems odd, as it's the same code.
[22:41] <persia> But yeah, the "less features" bit is sorta-intentional, lots of folks need the extra resources for their audio/video/etc. processing, and so don't want all the other bits.
[22:41] <persia> I hope you just installed ubuntu-desktop to switch, rather than going through a reinstall.
[22:55] <detrate> I actually created a livecd with remastersys from my laptop
[22:55] <detrate> I think ubuntu studio can benefit from streamlining workflows for various different types of creators but I don't want to tell you how to run your project
[22:56] <detrate> I do know that many of my dj friends would be very confused if they used ubuntu studio though
[23:12] <ScottL> detrate, suggestions are always welcome though :)
[23:12] <ScottL> oh, and are you still interested in updating the website?
[23:13] <detrate> I may be able to help or at least consult
[23:14] <detrate> Refresh my memory please, the current website uses a custom CMS?
[23:16] <ScottL> drupal i believe
[23:17] <ScottL> but also, please make any suggestions you can about work flow as well
[23:17] <detrate> in any case I'd reccomend using wordpress if possible.  It's a great way to collaborate with other maintainers with limited to no knowledge of HTML code but also just as easy for php gurus to code for.  You can get some amazing plugins that will provide you with out of the box SEO advantages, not that you need that specifically for your project as you're under the wing of ubuntu but using a sitemap plugin you can help google 
[23:17] <detrate> index content of all pages properly and return more relevant results to the user.
[23:17] <detrate> drupal I found confusing for both developers and end users
[23:18] <detrate> workflows, I think it's important to document from basic to more advanced methods for creation that you'd find in a similar windows or OS X environment
[23:19] <detrate> if you give a few good examples for specific programs, you can get users to begin contributing articles of ~equal value 
[23:20] <detrate> the website itself doesn't seem to highlight the key features that ubuntu studio offers, it says "download, install, create" but doesn't really elaborate on the create, there is audio, graphics and video listed below... but they don't really clarify either
[23:21] <detrate> you don't even need to start off with videos made by ubuntu studio dev team, you can find tutorials on youtube/vimeo that will assist new users in getting aquainted
[23:22] <detrate> you may want to create a filtration system for incoming users based on their expertise and direct them to proper resources to get started
[23:22] <detrate> even as an experience ubuntu user I felt lost on a fresh install
[23:23] <detrate> the overall look of the website does not make ubuntu studio appear to be serious but rather hint at what is ahead (this is not a compliment).  You need to begin building trust with your future users from the first second they arrive at your site
[23:25] <detrate> 'logo' in the top right, the logo having little to no contrast as it overlays the menu, no hover effects on the menu, too much information below the fold and only 1 call to action, "download now"
[23:25] <detrate> I haven't read a clear mission statment either
[23:25] <detrate> the closest thing is a blurb next to download no but that doesn't give me the confidence I'd expect as a user.
[23:25] <ScottL> "too much informatio below the fold" has bothered me considerably as well
[23:26] <detrate> you want to be flashy, hip and productive in the process
[23:26] <detrate> you can condense a lot of information with a slider or a similar javascript widget
[23:26] <detrate> unless you have qualms about using javascript (with 99% of users having it turned on, you shouldn't)
[23:26] <detrate> the people turning it off either have a good reason or they are paranoid nerds
[23:27] <detrate> Think of the questions a user might ask when arriving to your site
[23:27] <ScottL> i really had not considered that wordpress was CMS, but rather just for blogs
[23:27] <detrate> "Where am I? What is this? How can I benefit? What should I check out next?"
[23:28] <detrate> it's a very flexible system that was first built for bloggers but it's most definitely a CMS and one I've been recommending and using for the greater time of the last half year
[23:29] <detrate> here is one my company just rolled out in just a week (including copy) for a crisis client http://www.savesandhilllakes.com/
[23:30] <detrate> your front page doesn't have to be a blog and wordpress is very keen to helping you change it to a static page and redirect it to another page
[23:31] <detrate> their documentation is pretty solid, they provided (default) user roles (levels) and there are plugins to extend them.
[23:31] <detrate> again the available plugins are quite impressive and I can advise you on a handful to kick it off with.
[23:32] <detrate> My only complaint is that many of the themes are created by amatures hacking together HTML and CSS/JS from other templates so the markup could be more sound out of the box but this is a view level issue that can easily be solved by creating a template from scratch (which isn't as daunting a task as it sounds)
[23:33] <ScottL> you work for a company that makes websites?
[23:33] <detrate> I work for a company that specializes in behavior change and communications, I lead the web team and manage IT for the company.
[23:34] <ScottL> hi cory
[23:35] <ScottL> several of us really, really want to change the website and i'm willing to spend some of my own, personal money to do so (to a limit)
[23:35] <detrate> As one of the leading social marketing companies in the US, we recognize how much effect the internet (websites, mobile applications, social media, adverstisements) can have on campaigns
[23:35] <ckontros> Hi guys. Whats going on? How the hell do you activate the binary drivers with that damn restricted driver dialog? I swear they /used/ to have a checkbox or something.
[23:35] <detrate> so we often have various projects that involve these medias
[23:36] <detrate> Okay ScottL, roughly what is your time frame and budget?
[23:36] <ScottL> detrate, you might laugh but I don't have a time frame and I was hoping for no more that $200
[23:36] <ScottL> usd
[23:38] <detrate> okay, well being a FOSS advocate, I think I can work within that budget but the timeframe may be about a month or longer.  Perhaps faster if I'm given help.
[23:39] <detrate> areas in which most help would be appreciated are 1) website design / slicing into WP template 2) Creating copy 3) Collecting content
[23:40] <detrate> You'll also want to start building a team of website maintainers if you do not have one already.
[23:40] <detrate> by this I mean updating content, writing news, interacting with social media sites
[23:40] <detrate> with wordpress, we can tie into social networks like facebook and twitter to automaticall post to these sites
[23:42] <detrate> being the #2 most popular websites on the internet it's iimportant to have good representation on facebook, especially given that some users in your target audience would never even consider going to the website to check for updates, let alone subscribing to RSS or twitter feeds
[23:44] <ScottL> have social media integration was a important consideration to many who voiced opinions
[23:44] <detrate> yes but you need a team to be active on them
[23:45] <ckontros> A team of any sort lately is what the project has severely lacked. :(
[23:46] <detrate> A strong leader is the beginning, a strong community keeps it going.
[23:46] <ckontros> heh +1 to the 1st part.
[23:47]  * ckontros pats Scott on the back.
[23:47] <detrate> define your vision, inspire minds and move forward as a team to create the future, a dream you've created and then live in together to further progress to new plateus.
[23:48] <ScottL> I am a team of 1 ;)
[23:48] <detrate> only with that attitude
[23:49] <ScottL> ckontros, i have a paper I wrote that I would like for you to read
[23:49] <ScottL> it deals much with building community
[23:49] <detrate> wiki's are a great way to grow a vision
[23:50] <ScottL> detrate, my "team" statement meant that I am moving things forward but am forced to do so by myself for the most part, i crave others to assist
[23:51] <detrate> I know exactly what you meant and I've felt the way you've felt before, said things the way you said before and have further refined my understanding of the situation and the community on a greater scale.
[23:51] <ckontros> detrate: Not to be a downer, but we're such a small part of Ubuntu, so specific a use-case, its been hard to sustain anything great. I think I've personally generated 90% of any Studio wiki pages. I made a pretty sizable base to which few helped. (outside of our small team)
[23:52] <ckontros> ScottL: Sure. Email me.
[23:52] <detrate> yes because you aren't yet attracting the right kind of people
[23:52] <detrate> but my advice is aiming to help you do just that
[23:52] <ckontros> detrate: IYO the "right" folks are?
[23:52] <detrate> IYO?
[23:52] <detrate> in my opinion
[23:53] <ckontros> "I you opinion" :)
[23:53] <ckontros> *your
[23:53] <ckontros> damn (cant type today)
[23:53] <detrate> the types of people you'll be attracting with this new vision I'm describing to you.
[23:53] <ScottL> i think improving the website and communicating more the users will help develop that community
[23:53] <ckontros> detrate: I thought the "leader" should be describing that?
[23:54] <detrate> I'm trying to inspire him to do so
[23:54] <detrate> I don't see why you're being confrontational about it.
[23:54] <ckontros> Im confused "detrate: the types of people you'll be attracting with this new vision I'm describing to you." :)
[23:55] <ckontros> detrate: No no. Just chatting.
[23:55] <detrate> with the website and the team to help keep content updated and users involved
[23:55] <troy_s> detrate: Sorry to weigh in here, it isn't a question of 'the right kind of people', it is the Pareto principle in action.
[23:56] <ScottL> that is the Pareto principle?
[23:56] <detrate> by the "right kind of people", I mean the types of people who will be happy to build a vision with you and utilize the resources you provide, further building and strengthing community.
[23:56] <troy_s> detrate: It is a well known factor in complex groups. Also known as the more colloquial 80/20 rule.
[23:56] <ckontros> And note I'm just chatting. Asking questions. ScottL is free to do what he likes.
[23:56] <detrate> I apologize for any principles I have demonstrated in my lack of information
[23:57] <ScottL> i know the 80/20 rule
[23:57] <troy_s> detrate: There are MANY valuable people, including those that only adjust a single sentence on a wiki page. But the Pareto principle still stands. Clay Shirky has written and discussed it extensively.
[23:58] <troy_s> detrate: No need to apologize. It seems to be a rather core function of a complex system. I think what Cory was loosely getting at is that no matter what, you will _always_ be subject to that rule (Cory's estimate that he wrote 90% of the wiki is likely almost on point - more closely to maybe 80% in the early going?)
[23:59] <ckontros> Sure
[23:59] <troy_s> detrate: What in essence is required is ultimately greater numbers. Plain and simple. How to do that when dealing with a very specific audience (perhaps could be more specific and more greatly deliver to that audience's needs is another question entirely) with already limited numbers.
[23:59] <troy_s> detrate: Follow me?
[23:59] <detrate> Patience, I was away talking to a friend IRL