| shtylman | Riddell: are you able to reproduce this high cpu usage bug? | 03:23 |
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| ScottK | shtylman: I tried chromium. It is fast. | 03:24 |
| * shtylman is so proud of ScottK :) | 03:24 | |
| ScottK | Of course I doubt I can handle the removal of http:. | 03:24 |
| shtylman | hahaha | 03:24 |
| shtylman | supposidly when you copy it works | 03:25 |
| ScottK | Not yet | 03:25 |
| shtylman | I see | 03:25 |
| ScottK | But it's typical of the current wave of design arrogance that discounts any value for "what people are used to". | 03:25 |
| shtylman | right | 03:25 |
| shtylman | but sometimes you do have to break trends | 03:26 |
| shtylman | just to see what will happen | 03:26 |
| shtylman | doesn't always work out | 03:26 |
| shtylman | but thats called progress | 03:26 |
| ScottK | WTF, I've only been dealing with browsers that had that for 16 years. | 03:26 |
| shtylman | otherwise everyone is too scared to do anything | 03:26 |
| ScottK | Sure, but have a reason for it. | 03:26 |
| ScottK | "People don't need it" isn't a reason. | 03:26 |
| ScottK | It breaks my user interface expectations for no reason at all. | 03:27 |
| ScottK | So I ask myself do I want to get used to a browser designed by idiots like this or not? | 03:27 |
| ScottK | This won't be the last thing the do like this. | 03:27 |
| shtylman | heh | 03:27 |
| shtylman | what does it break for you? | 03:27 |
| ScottK | Not kidding. | 03:27 |
| shtylman | what interaction? | 03:28 |
| persia | e.g. sharing URLs with IRC, as one example of many | 03:28 |
| ScottK | Currently copy/paste is broken, but that's a bug. | 03:28 |
| shtylman | persia: its a bug | 03:28 |
| shtylman | once that is fixed... I don't really know what else will be a problem | 03:28 |
| ScottK | shtylman: It just looks wrong because stuff is missing. | 03:29 |
| ScottK | And so I'm going to experience the discomfort of this for what? | 03:29 |
| ScottK | No reason at all. | 03:29 |
| shtylman | and chromium is open source... so it change be changed if people get super upset...but I think once they fix the bug it won't be an issue | 03:29 |
| shtylman | ScottK: I guess different people react differently... I can see other's point of view on this | 03:29 |
| shtylman | I personally was like... ok.. thats nice... moving on | 03:30 |
| shtylman | and didn't give it another thought | 03:30 |
| ScottK | OK, I'm going to go crash. | 03:30 |
| shtylman | my life has not been shattered by it... and the benefits I have gotten from chromium far outweight any loss here | 03:30 |
| shtylman | don't crash too hard | 03:30 |
| ScottK | Try not to. | 03:30 |
| shtylman | :) | 03:30 |
| txwikinger | hibernating does not seem to work very well in lucid | 03:44 |
| ScottK | txwikinger: What kind of machine? | 03:47 |
| txwikinger | futjitsu-siemens | 03:47 |
| txwikinger | lifebook | 03:47 |
| ScottK | Didn't hear anything about problems with those. | 03:47 |
| txwikinger | display came up in lower resolution | 03:47 |
| txwikinger | and knetworkmanager was disabled | 03:48 |
| txwikinger | I needed to kill it and restart it | 03:48 |
| ScottK | Nothing like that here | 03:49 |
| txwikinger | hmm.. maybe it was an one off | 03:49 |
| txwikinger | need to test that a bit | 03:49 |
| ScottK | These sorts of things are often very hardware specific. | 03:50 |
| txwikinger | yeah | 03:50 |
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| ryanakca | Riddell: I'll take care of it when I get back from school tonight | 12:21 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: of which? | 12:22 |
| === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan | ||
| Quintasan | \o | 13:15 |
| shadeslayer | Quintasan: hi :D | 13:18 |
| Riddell | go go ISO testers! | 13:19 |
| Quintasan | sure, why not | 13:19 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: exams... :( | 13:19 |
| shadeslayer | Riddell: i already have requests for 50 of the CD's... then theres the LoCo | 13:21 |
| Oxymoron | I guess someone in here uses Kdevelop? :) | 13:21 |
| Oxymoron | I wonder is it possible to autofix identation when you open a file? | 13:22 |
| Tm_T | what you mean by fixing indentation? | 13:23 |
| Tm_T | fixing the length of it or | 13:23 |
| Oxymoron | Tm_T: I show ya a screenshot what I mean its hard to explain | 13:23 |
| Tm_T | hrr | 13:24 |
| Oxymoron | All editors I have used before doesnt ident tabs correct | 13:24 |
| Tm_T | Oxymoron: or you haven't set them correctly (: | 13:25 |
| Oxymoron | Tm_T: http://imagebin.ca/view/0rmyMhEh.html | 13:25 |
| Oxymoron | Tm_T: If I should highlight those areas around methods parse and getqueries I would fix the identation but I would like it to fix by automation when I open file. | 13:26 |
| Oxymoron | In someway identation isnt setup correct for some tabs \t and some are correct. | 13:27 |
| Quintasan | oh so awesome | 13:27 |
| Quintasan | lucid live cd won't shutdown on kvm | 13:28 |
| Oxymoron | And whats difference between identation width and tabulator width? | 13:28 |
| Oxymoron | Kdevelop4 is rocking awesome btw, it has everything that I need from an editor and it looks good as well <3 | 13:28 |
| Oxymoron | Tm_T: You see on my screenshot that some identation is smaller than other ones :S This is different in all editors I have used, in Zend Studio I thought everything was good and then I tested Netbeans and nothing works with identation, then Aptana which use same editor thing as Zend Studio which mean Eclipse. Then now I test Kdevelop which seem to finally do everything correct doesnt show my identation as I want it to be :P | 13:32 |
| Oxymoron | Its silly that I want correct identation but it annoys me if it isnt perfect because Im some sort of perfectionist | 13:32 |
| Oxymoron | What I want is that the editor should replace all 8 space characters with tabulators on-the-fly sort of speak. If I would highlight the whole file and press tab key it would replace spaces with tabulators. | 13:39 |
| Tm_T | hmmh | 13:39 |
| Tm_T | find&replace | 13:39 |
| Oxymoron | Tm_T: Yes but I would love to fix it without find and replace my whole framework source with several thousands of code lines ... | 13:40 |
| Oxymoron | Tm_T: Or maybe if its possible to build my own code formatter and select all source code and autofix code formatting and tabulators all at once <3 I have been looking for one in ages to setup the formatter after my own prefered formatting of PHP code. Zend Studio have almost what I want but you cant setup everything in there. | 13:43 |
| Tm_T | heh | 13:44 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: are those slides that show during install process translateable? | 13:46 |
| Oxymoron | Tm_T: Do you think its possible to make a code formatter which apply certain rules you provide it and then loop through a project folder and apply code formatting on every single file in a snatch? :P Is it theorethical possible to program something like that inside Kdevelop? | 13:49 |
| Oxymoron | Maybe some kind of editor plugin :) | 13:49 |
| Tm_T | no idea | 13:50 |
| Quintasan | Oxymoron: I think guys over in #kdevelop would be able to help you | 14:06 |
| Oxymoron | Quintasan: Didnt know there was such channel, thanks man :) | 14:06 |
| Quintasan | No problem :). | 14:07 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: ping | 14:07 |
| apachelogger | Quintasan: huh? | 14:07 |
| Quintasan | oh awesome | 14:08 |
| Quintasan | apachelogger: I'm too lazy to search in backlog, you told me some time ago that I should go and learn polymorphism, classes, virtual functions etc, I've got the basics, anything else I should know? | 14:09 |
| apachelogger | dont think so | 14:10 |
| * apachelogger must elect a president now | 14:10 | |
| Quintasan | :O | 14:10 |
| apachelogger | hm | 14:10 |
| apachelogger | 2x doctor and one lady | 14:10 |
| Quintasan | awesome, then I'm off looking for a Qt/KDE introduction | 14:11 |
| * apachelogger fires up universal decision maker | 14:11 | |
| Quintasan | rand()? | 14:11 |
| Quintasan | kubotu: 8ball should I play stepmania now? | 14:12 |
| * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for Quintasan ... no | 14:12 | |
| Quintasan | yeah! | 14:12 |
| Quintasan | oh, I want to play stepmania but I was wondering if kubout has 8ball | 14:12 |
| apachelogger | my oh my | 14:13 |
| Quintasan | 8ball I really should not play stepmania? | 14:13 |
| Quintasan | bah | 14:13 |
| Quintasan | silly me | 14:13 |
| * Quintasan gets his dancing mat | 14:14 | |
| * apachelogger is done electing new president \\o/ | 14:14 | |
| Quintasan | that mean you have voted for yourself, right? :P | 14:16 |
| apachelogger | obviously enough | 14:16 |
| * Quintasan imagines HUGE posters "Vote for Harald!" | 14:17 | |
| * apachelogger votes for himself ever since he is able to vote | 14:17 | |
| apachelogger | didn't work out so fa | 14:17 |
| apachelogger | I suppose I must bribe someone into putting my name on the lists ;) | 14:17 |
| Quintasan | kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger | 14:17 |
| * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger. | 14:17 | |
| Quintasan | or just start a rebellion :P | 14:18 |
| apachelogger | with like whom? | 14:18 |
| apachelogger | and against what? | 14:18 |
| Tonio_ | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/49357 | 14:20 |
| Tonio_ | hum, shouldn't we have that one packaged and added as a dep to the firefox-kde installer ? | 14:20 |
| Tonio_ | it would contribute to have a nicelly integrated firefox | 14:21 |
| apachelogger | Tonio_: I'm using KDE 4.4.1 with FF 3.6.3. This extension keeps crashing. Unfortunately it doesn't work well with Xmarks either - it keeps deleting all my passwords | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | from the comments section | 14:23 |
| apachelogger | besides, it's too late now anyway :/ | 14:23 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I was suggesting that for lucid+1 obviously :) | 14:24 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: anyway kmozillahelper might handle this at that time | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | *nod* | 14:24 |
| apachelogger | makes more sense in kmozhelper anyway ;) | 14:24 |
| Tonio_ | it comes to my mind... did we get a fix for oxygen ? | 14:25 |
| Tonio_ | the "I break 3D performances by 80% with your modern intel chip !" ? | 14:25 |
| Tonio_ | I had to switch the windeco just because of that | 14:25 |
| Tonio_ | and that will annoy a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of people | 14:25 |
| * apachelogger didnt know there was such an issue | 14:26 | |
| Riddell | Quintasan: yes the slides are translatable | 14:26 |
| Oxymoron | Why isnt KDevelop4 ppa updated to RC3? | 14:27 |
| Riddell | Oxymoron: needing someone to package it | 14:27 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: unortunatelly there is... | 14:27 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: awesome, I'll get to it soon | 14:27 |
| Oxymoron | Riddell: I could do it if someone tell me how, or maybe point me someway in correct direction. Btw, isnt there anything else than kubuntu-beta ppa for kdevelop? | 14:28 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: best be very soon, there's no point doing it after language packs get their final update for the CDs, unlike most software the slides are only run from the CDs | 14:28 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: When is the deadline? | 14:29 |
| * Quintasan can pull this off today but he is a bit lazy | 14:29 | |
| Riddell | Oxymoron: grab the current sources, grab the new tar, rename the new tar to the correct naming pattern, copy over the debian/ directory from the old tar, dch -i for a new changelog entry, debuild to build it, debuild -S to build source | 14:29 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: not sure, dpm will know | 14:29 |
| Riddell | probably it's on the release schedule | 14:29 |
| Oxymoron | Riddell: Que? :D Didnt understand much of that :P | 14:30 |
| Riddell | Oxymoron: where do you get lost? | 14:31 |
| Oxymoron | Riddell: Rename to correct naming pattern and then where to get current source? | 14:31 |
| Quintasan | Oxymoron: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete | 14:32 |
| Tonio_ | apachelogger: I'll have to test oxygen again to see what's going on | 14:33 |
| Riddell | Oxymoron: get current sources from the PPA either through the web page or with apt-get source | 14:33 |
| Riddell | Oxymoron: nameing pattern has an underscore between name and version no and .orig.tar.gz at the end | 14:33 |
| Oxymoron | Riddell: Alright, hopefully I manage to fix it but I dont understand why it has to be so complicated to just compile source :P | 14:34 |
| dpm | Quintasan, Riddell, translation deadline for language pack packages is on Thursday, the 22nd, at 20:00 UTC -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule | 14:34 |
| Tonio_ | yeah....... still so dramatically slow here with oxygen.... | 14:35 |
| Quintasan | dpm: ah, okay will get to it now | 14:36 |
| dpm | cool, thanks | 14:39 |
| Quintasan | Riddell: are those slides a different package? | 14:42 |
| Riddell | Quintasan: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu | 14:43 |
| shadeslayer | nixternal: there? | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | ill brb..... weechat is acting up | 15:09 |
| shadeslayer | ah irssi is much better :) | 15:10 |
| shadeslayer | oh well i just wanted to point out that the wallpaper ( if you can call it that ) atop the desktop cube is not of the right size | 15:11 |
| shadeslayer | nixternal: http://imagebin.ca/view/urBZMoJ.html | 15:12 |
| ScottK | Tm_T: Can I get some powerpc testing? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/ | 16:11 |
| Quintasan | 25% done \o/ | 16:36 |
| scottl_ | is the network management plasma widget replacing knetworkmanager for lucid? | 16:48 |
| Riddell | scottl_: no | 16:51 |
| lex79 | scottl_: no we still use network-manager-kde | 16:51 |
| shadeslayer | the widget still has a few bugs imp | 16:51 |
| shadeslayer | *imo | 16:51 |
| scottl_ | ok thanks | 16:51 |
| neversfelde | is 20100419.2 of kubuntu-netbook the candidate iso for the rc? | 16:57 |
| Riddell | neversfelde: yes | 16:59 |
| neversfelde | thanks | 17:00 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Did your powerpc box survive the disaster? | 17:00 |
| nixternal | ScottK: yes it did...need me to turn it on? | 17:10 |
| ScottK | nixternal: Can it run Kubuntu for at least a test install? We've got ISOs need testing. | 17:11 |
| nixternal | i can probably set that up later to do, i can't do that now though | 17:12 |
| nigelb | nixternal, you seem to have had a fun conference. Also, the stickers on your laptop rocks. | 17:14 |
| nixternal | must have been an old conference | 17:15 |
| nigelb | nixternal, that help thing | 17:16 |
| ScottK | nixternal: That'd be great. I think we've got a great powerpc release here and I want to make sure we get it tested and verified. | 17:17 |
| shadeslayer | nigelb: what stickers? :P | 17:17 |
| nigelb | shadeslayer, his laptop is black, but its covered with these multicolored stickers like ubuntu, kde, (dont remember the rest) | 17:18 |
| shadeslayer | nigelb: nice!!! | 17:19 |
| * shadeslayer plans to steal nixternal's laptop and the stickers | 17:19 | |
| shadeslayer | of course ill give the laptop back... no use for me :) | 17:19 |
| shadeslayer | nixternal: did you pay for them? or did you get them for free? | 17:20 |
| shadeslayer | oh and did you get my earlier message? | 17:20 |
| nixternal | shadeslayer: got them for free | 17:26 |
| nixternal | I had a ton of the FSF stickers a while or so back | 17:26 |
| shadeslayer | oh yayy... i have no taskbar now... | 17:26 |
| nixternal | gotta have tasks in order to have a task bar, so get to work! :p | 17:27 |
| shadeslayer | nixternal: nice :P | 17:27 |
| shadeslayer | i knew i shouldnt have added that rss reader.... | 17:28 |
| shadeslayer | btw did you guys see the new blur effect in kde 4.5? | 17:29 |
| shadeslayer | and what will : http://www.kdenews.org/2010/04/01/announcing-upcoming-release-new-customized-kde-software-compilations : mean for us? | 17:31 |
| neversfelde | shadeslayer: it was published on 1st of April? | 17:32 |
| claydoh | lol! | 17:32 |
| shadeslayer | neversfelde: hehe | 17:32 |
| claydoh | it means we get Pink Ponies!! | 17:33 |
| shadeslayer | claydoh: :P | 17:34 |
| shadeslayer | oh and checkout http://www.enricoros.com/blog/2010/04/delicious-transblurency/ | 17:34 |
| jussi | so no one wants to use kobby at UDS? | 17:43 |
| Riddell | not enough to have to backport gnome packages.. | 17:44 |
| jussi | hehe | 17:44 |
| ScottK | jussi: If someone can test, I can deal with the actual backports. | 17:45 |
| jussi | ScottK: I can install hardy and jaunty into VMware and test. | 17:46 |
| jussi | or virtualbox :D | 17:46 |
| ScottK | jussi: OK. | 17:46 |
| * jussi grabs isos... | 17:46 | |
| jussi | ScottK: do we need to test intrepid? | 17:56 |
| ScottK | jussi: No. It will be out of support by UDS | 17:57 |
| jussi | ScottK: excellent. | 17:57 |
| jussi | iso's are downloading. | 17:58 |
| jussi | ScottK: jaunty installed, hardy on its way. Ill be ready whenever you are (today or later :D ) I assume youll pop it in a PPA somewhere. Just let me know where :) | 18:19 |
| ScottK | OK. | 18:19 |
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| txwikinger | ScottK: is there finally a server that works for kobby? | 18:49 |
| nookie^ | Riddell: ping | 18:50 |
| ScottK | txwikinger: I didn't look into it, but I'd assume so. | 18:51 |
| txwikinger | I thought the last time we couldn't use it because the server version required was not stable enough or something like that | 18:51 |
| jussi | txwikinger: no, its not that it isnt stable enough, its that it needed to be compatible across versions | 18:52 |
| txwikinger | yeah or something like that | 18:53 |
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| BreetaiZentradi | Hi all, I want to install koffice on the kubuntu lucid beta. apt-get install koffice gets me a /usr/share/dos/koffice folder with a readme file. Where is the real koffice at? | 20:17 |
| neversfelde | kde bug 234010 | 20:22 |
| ubottu | KDE bug 234010 in plasma-netbook "plasma-netbook crash with regenerated plasma-netbook-appletrc" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234010 | 20:22 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: I could not reproduce the plasma-netbook bug you mentioned yesterday so far. | 21:23 |
| neversfelde | Blizzz: no problems with our account | 21:25 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: It's an intermittent problem. I've only had it now and then. I'm mostly concerned it doesn't causes regressions. | 21:26 |
| ScottK | If you don't see any negative effects, then I think we should get it in. | 21:26 |
| ScottK | Maybe apachelogger will backport it to the KDE 4.4 branch too. | 21:26 |
| ScottK | (in kde svn) | 21:26 |
| neversfelde | ScottK: ok, I will work further work on it tomorrow, sorry too late over here now | 21:27 |
| ScottK | neversfelde: Thanks. We're frozen until Thursday, so I think it's fine. | 21:27 |
| Blizzz | neversfelde: fine | 21:30 |
| maco | i guess the nm plasmoid is no worse than knm. both fail utterly with hidden ssid | 22:30 |
| ScottK | That is true. | 22:34 |
| ScottK | Unimplemented feature though, not a bug. | 22:34 |
| maco | well you can *tell* it the ssid though, thats the confusing bit. even if you tell it the ssid it still doesnt work | 22:40 |
| maco | though it did seem to set the AP when i looked with iwconfig, just wouldnt get an ip address | 22:40 |
| maco | (plasmoid that is. never peaked with iwconfig while using knm) | 22:41 |
| Riddell | ryanakca: how's the countdown? | 23:40 |
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