[03:23] Riddell: are you able to reproduce this high cpu usage bug? [03:24] shtylman: I tried chromium. It is fast. [03:24] * shtylman is so proud of ScottK :) [03:24] Of course I doubt I can handle the removal of http:. [03:24] hahaha [03:25] supposidly when you copy it works [03:25] Not yet [03:25] I see [03:25] But it's typical of the current wave of design arrogance that discounts any value for "what people are used to". [03:25] right [03:26] but sometimes you do have to break trends [03:26] just to see what will happen [03:26] doesn't always work out [03:26] but thats called progress [03:26] WTF, I've only been dealing with browsers that had that for 16 years. [03:26] otherwise everyone is too scared to do anything [03:26] Sure, but have a reason for it. [03:26] "People don't need it" isn't a reason. [03:27] It breaks my user interface expectations for no reason at all. [03:27] So I ask myself do I want to get used to a browser designed by idiots like this or not? [03:27] This won't be the last thing the do like this. [03:27] heh [03:27] what does it break for you? [03:27] Not kidding. [03:28] what interaction? [03:28] e.g. sharing URLs with IRC, as one example of many [03:28] Currently copy/paste is broken, but that's a bug. [03:28] persia: its a bug [03:28] once that is fixed... I don't really know what else will be a problem [03:29] shtylman: It just looks wrong because stuff is missing. [03:29] And so I'm going to experience the discomfort of this for what? [03:29] No reason at all. [03:29] and chromium is open source... so it change be changed if people get super upset...but I think once they fix the bug it won't be an issue [03:29] ScottK: I guess different people react differently... I can see other's point of view on this [03:30] I personally was like... ok.. thats nice... moving on [03:30] and didn't give it another thought [03:30] OK, I'm going to go crash. [03:30] my life has not been shattered by it... and the benefits I have gotten from chromium far outweight any loss here [03:30] don't crash too hard [03:30] Try not to. [03:30] :) [03:44] hibernating does not seem to work very well in lucid [03:47] txwikinger: What kind of machine? [03:47] futjitsu-siemens [03:47] lifebook [03:47] Didn't hear anything about problems with those. [03:47] display came up in lower resolution [03:48] and knetworkmanager was disabled [03:48] I needed to kill it and restart it [03:49] Nothing like that here [03:49] hmm.. maybe it was an one off [03:49] need to test that a bit [03:50] These sorts of things are often very hardware specific. [03:50] yeah === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [12:21] Riddell: I'll take care of it when I get back from school tonight [12:22] ryanakca: of which? === Quintasan_ is now known as Quintasan [13:15] \o [13:18] Quintasan: hi :D [13:19] go go ISO testers! [13:19] sure, why not [13:19] Riddell: exams... :( [13:21] Riddell: i already have requests for 50 of the CD's... then theres the LoCo [13:21] I guess someone in here uses Kdevelop? :) [13:22] I wonder is it possible to autofix identation when you open a file? [13:23] what you mean by fixing indentation? [13:23] fixing the length of it or [13:23] Tm_T: I show ya a screenshot what I mean its hard to explain [13:24] hrr [13:24] All editors I have used before doesnt ident tabs correct [13:25] Oxymoron: or you haven't set them correctly (: [13:25] Tm_T: http://imagebin.ca/view/0rmyMhEh.html [13:26] Tm_T: If I should highlight those areas around methods parse and getqueries I would fix the identation but I would like it to fix by automation when I open file. [13:27] In someway identation isnt setup correct for some tabs \t and some are correct. [13:27] oh so awesome [13:28] lucid live cd won't shutdown on kvm [13:28] And whats difference between identation width and tabulator width? [13:28] Kdevelop4 is rocking awesome btw, it has everything that I need from an editor and it looks good as well <3 [13:32] Tm_T: You see on my screenshot that some identation is smaller than other ones :S This is different in all editors I have used, in Zend Studio I thought everything was good and then I tested Netbeans and nothing works with identation, then Aptana which use same editor thing as Zend Studio which mean Eclipse. Then now I test Kdevelop which seem to finally do everything correct doesnt show my identation as I want it to be :P [13:32] Its silly that I want correct identation but it annoys me if it isnt perfect because Im some sort of perfectionist [13:39] What I want is that the editor should replace all 8 space characters with tabulators on-the-fly sort of speak. If I would highlight the whole file and press tab key it would replace spaces with tabulators. [13:39] hmmh [13:39] find&replace [13:40] Tm_T: Yes but I would love to fix it without find and replace my whole framework source with several thousands of code lines ... [13:43] Tm_T: Or maybe if its possible to build my own code formatter and select all source code and autofix code formatting and tabulators all at once <3 I have been looking for one in ages to setup the formatter after my own prefered formatting of PHP code. Zend Studio have almost what I want but you cant setup everything in there. [13:44] heh [13:46] Riddell: are those slides that show during install process translateable? [13:49] Tm_T: Do you think its possible to make a code formatter which apply certain rules you provide it and then loop through a project folder and apply code formatting on every single file in a snatch? :P Is it theorethical possible to program something like that inside Kdevelop? [13:49] Maybe some kind of editor plugin :) [13:50] no idea [14:06] Oxymoron: I think guys over in #kdevelop would be able to help you [14:06] Quintasan: Didnt know there was such channel, thanks man :) [14:07] No problem :). [14:07] apachelogger: ping [14:07] Quintasan: huh? [14:08] oh awesome [14:09] apachelogger: I'm too lazy to search in backlog, you told me some time ago that I should go and learn polymorphism, classes, virtual functions etc, I've got the basics, anything else I should know? [14:10] dont think so [14:10] * apachelogger must elect a president now [14:10] :O [14:10] hm [14:10] 2x doctor and one lady [14:11] awesome, then I'm off looking for a Qt/KDE introduction [14:11] * apachelogger fires up universal decision maker [14:11] rand()? [14:12] kubotu: 8ball should I play stepmania now? [14:12] * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for Quintasan ... no [14:12] yeah! [14:12] oh, I want to play stepmania but I was wondering if kubout has 8ball [14:13] my oh my [14:13] 8ball I really should not play stepmania? [14:13] bah [14:13] silly me [14:14] * Quintasan gets his dancing mat [14:14] * apachelogger is done electing new president \\o/ [14:16] that mean you have voted for yourself, right? :P [14:16] obviously enough [14:17] * Quintasan imagines HUGE posters "Vote for Harald!" [14:17] * apachelogger votes for himself ever since he is able to vote [14:17] didn't work out so fa [14:17] I suppose I must bribe someone into putting my name on the lists ;) [14:17] kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger [14:17] * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger. [14:18] or just start a rebellion :P [14:18] with like whom? [14:18] and against what? [14:20] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/49357 [14:20] hum, shouldn't we have that one packaged and added as a dep to the firefox-kde installer ? [14:21] it would contribute to have a nicelly integrated firefox [14:23] Tonio_: I'm using KDE 4.4.1 with FF 3.6.3. This extension keeps crashing. Unfortunately it doesn't work well with Xmarks either - it keeps deleting all my passwords [14:23] from the comments section [14:23] besides, it's too late now anyway :/ [14:24] apachelogger: I was suggesting that for lucid+1 obviously :) [14:24] apachelogger: anyway kmozillahelper might handle this at that time [14:24] *nod* [14:24] makes more sense in kmozhelper anyway ;) [14:25] it comes to my mind... did we get a fix for oxygen ? [14:25] the "I break 3D performances by 80% with your modern intel chip !" ? [14:25] I had to switch the windeco just because of that [14:25] and that will annoy a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of people [14:26] * apachelogger didnt know there was such an issue [14:26] Quintasan: yes the slides are translatable [14:27] Why isnt KDevelop4 ppa updated to RC3? [14:27] Oxymoron: needing someone to package it [14:27] apachelogger: unortunatelly there is... [14:27] Riddell: awesome, I'll get to it soon [14:28] Riddell: I could do it if someone tell me how, or maybe point me someway in correct direction. Btw, isnt there anything else than kubuntu-beta ppa for kdevelop? [14:28] Quintasan: best be very soon, there's no point doing it after language packs get their final update for the CDs, unlike most software the slides are only run from the CDs [14:29] Riddell: When is the deadline? [14:29] * Quintasan can pull this off today but he is a bit lazy [14:29] Oxymoron: grab the current sources, grab the new tar, rename the new tar to the correct naming pattern, copy over the debian/ directory from the old tar, dch -i for a new changelog entry, debuild to build it, debuild -S to build source [14:29] Quintasan: not sure, dpm will know [14:29] probably it's on the release schedule [14:30] Riddell: Que? :D Didnt understand much of that :P [14:31] Oxymoron: where do you get lost? [14:31] Riddell: Rename to correct naming pattern and then where to get current source? [14:32] Oxymoron: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete [14:33] apachelogger: I'll have to test oxygen again to see what's going on [14:33] Oxymoron: get current sources from the PPA either through the web page or with apt-get source [14:33] Oxymoron: nameing pattern has an underscore between name and version no and .orig.tar.gz at the end [14:34] Riddell: Alright, hopefully I manage to fix it but I dont understand why it has to be so complicated to just compile source :P [14:34] Quintasan, Riddell, translation deadline for language pack packages is on Thursday, the 22nd, at 20:00 UTC -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule [14:35] yeah....... still so dramatically slow here with oxygen.... [14:36] dpm: ah, okay will get to it now [14:39] cool, thanks [14:42] Riddell: are those slides a different package? [14:43] Quintasan: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu [15:09] nixternal: there? [15:09] ill brb..... weechat is acting up [15:10] ah irssi is much better :) [15:11] oh well i just wanted to point out that the wallpaper ( if you can call it that ) atop the desktop cube is not of the right size [15:12] nixternal: http://imagebin.ca/view/urBZMoJ.html [16:11] Tm_T: Can I get some powerpc testing? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/ [16:36] 25% done \o/ [16:48] is the network management plasma widget replacing knetworkmanager for lucid? [16:51] scottl_: no [16:51] scottl_: no we still use network-manager-kde [16:51] the widget still has a few bugs imp [16:51] *imo [16:51] ok thanks [16:57] is 20100419.2 of kubuntu-netbook the candidate iso for the rc? [16:59] neversfelde: yes [17:00] thanks [17:00] nixternal: Did your powerpc box survive the disaster? [17:10] ScottK: yes it did...need me to turn it on? [17:11] nixternal: Can it run Kubuntu for at least a test install? We've got ISOs need testing. [17:12] i can probably set that up later to do, i can't do that now though [17:14] nixternal, you seem to have had a fun conference. Also, the stickers on your laptop rocks. [17:15] must have been an old conference [17:16] nixternal, that help thing [17:17] nixternal: That'd be great. I think we've got a great powerpc release here and I want to make sure we get it tested and verified. [17:17] nigelb: what stickers? :P [17:18] shadeslayer, his laptop is black, but its covered with these multicolored stickers like ubuntu, kde, (dont remember the rest) [17:19] nigelb: nice!!! [17:19] * shadeslayer plans to steal nixternal's laptop and the stickers [17:19] of course ill give the laptop back... no use for me :) [17:20] nixternal: did you pay for them? or did you get them for free? [17:20] oh and did you get my earlier message? [17:26] shadeslayer: got them for free [17:26] I had a ton of the FSF stickers a while or so back [17:26] oh yayy... i have no taskbar now... [17:27] gotta have tasks in order to have a task bar, so get to work! :p [17:27] nixternal: nice :P [17:28] i knew i shouldnt have added that rss reader.... [17:29] btw did you guys see the new blur effect in kde 4.5? [17:31] and what will : http://www.kdenews.org/2010/04/01/announcing-upcoming-release-new-customized-kde-software-compilations : mean for us? [17:32] shadeslayer: it was published on 1st of April? [17:32] lol! [17:32] neversfelde: hehe [17:33] it means we get Pink Ponies!! [17:34] claydoh: :P [17:34] oh and checkout http://www.enricoros.com/blog/2010/04/delicious-transblurency/ [17:43] so no one wants to use kobby at UDS? [17:44] not enough to have to backport gnome packages.. [17:44] hehe [17:45] jussi: If someone can test, I can deal with the actual backports. [17:46] ScottK: I can install hardy and jaunty into VMware and test. [17:46] or virtualbox :D [17:46] jussi: OK. [17:46] * jussi grabs isos... [17:56] ScottK: do we need to test intrepid? [17:57] jussi: No. It will be out of support by UDS [17:57] ScottK: excellent. [17:58] iso's are downloading. [18:19] ScottK: jaunty installed, hardy on its way. Ill be ready whenever you are (today or later :D ) I assume youll pop it in a PPA somewhere. Just let me know where :) [18:19] OK. === blueyed_ is now known as blueyed [18:49] ScottK: is there finally a server that works for kobby? [18:50] Riddell: ping [18:51] txwikinger: I didn't look into it, but I'd assume so. [18:51] I thought the last time we couldn't use it because the server version required was not stable enough or something like that [18:52] txwikinger: no, its not that it isnt stable enough, its that it needed to be compatible across versions [18:53] yeah or something like that === yofel_ is now known as yofel === fjlacoste is now known as flacoste [20:17] Hi all, I want to install koffice on the kubuntu lucid beta. apt-get install koffice gets me a /usr/share/dos/koffice folder with a readme file. Where is the real koffice at? [20:22] kde bug 234010 [20:22] KDE bug 234010 in plasma-netbook "plasma-netbook crash with regenerated plasma-netbook-appletrc" [Crash,Resolved: fixed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234010 [21:23] ScottK: I could not reproduce the plasma-netbook bug you mentioned yesterday so far. [21:25] Blizzz: no problems with our account [21:26] neversfelde: It's an intermittent problem. I've only had it now and then. I'm mostly concerned it doesn't causes regressions. [21:26] If you don't see any negative effects, then I think we should get it in. [21:26] Maybe apachelogger will backport it to the KDE 4.4 branch too. [21:26] (in kde svn) [21:27] ScottK: ok, I will work further work on it tomorrow, sorry too late over here now [21:27] neversfelde: Thanks. We're frozen until Thursday, so I think it's fine. [21:30] neversfelde: fine [22:30] i guess the nm plasmoid is no worse than knm. both fail utterly with hidden ssid [22:34] That is true. [22:34] Unimplemented feature though, not a bug. [22:40] well you can *tell* it the ssid though, thats the confusing bit. even if you tell it the ssid it still doesnt work [22:40] though it did seem to set the AP when i looked with iwconfig, just wouldnt get an ip address [22:41] (plasmoid that is. never peaked with iwconfig while using knm) [23:40] ryanakca: how's the countdown?