[03:23] <shtylman> Riddell: are you able to reproduce this high cpu usage bug?
[03:24] <ScottK> shtylman: I tried chromium.  It is fast.
[03:24]  * shtylman is so proud of ScottK :)
[03:24] <ScottK> Of course I doubt I can handle the removal of http:.
[03:24] <shtylman> hahaha
[03:25] <shtylman> supposidly when you copy it works
[03:25] <ScottK> Not yet
[03:25] <shtylman> I see
[03:25] <ScottK> But it's typical of the current wave of design arrogance that discounts any value for "what people are used to".
[03:25] <shtylman> right
[03:26] <shtylman> but sometimes you do have to break trends
[03:26] <shtylman> just to see what will happen
[03:26] <shtylman> doesn't always work out
[03:26] <shtylman> but thats called progress
[03:26] <ScottK> WTF, I've only been dealing with browsers that had that for 16 years.
[03:26] <shtylman> otherwise everyone is too scared to do anything
[03:26] <ScottK> Sure, but have a reason for it.
[03:26] <ScottK> "People don't need it" isn't a reason.
[03:27] <ScottK> It breaks my user interface expectations for no reason at all.
[03:27] <ScottK> So I ask myself do I want to get used to a browser designed by idiots like this or not?
[03:27] <ScottK> This won't be the last thing the do like this.
[03:27] <shtylman> heh
[03:27] <shtylman> what does it break for you?
[03:27] <ScottK> Not kidding.
[03:28] <shtylman> what interaction?
[03:28] <persia> e.g. sharing URLs with IRC, as one example of many
[03:28] <ScottK> Currently copy/paste is broken, but that's a bug.
[03:28] <shtylman> persia: its a bug
[03:28] <shtylman> once that is fixed... I don't really know what else will be a problem
[03:29] <ScottK> shtylman: It just looks wrong because stuff is missing.
[03:29] <ScottK> And so I'm going to experience the discomfort of this for what?
[03:29] <ScottK> No reason at all.
[03:29] <shtylman> and chromium is open source... so it change be changed if people get super upset...but I think once they fix the bug it won't be an issue
[03:29] <shtylman> ScottK: I guess different people react differently... I can see other's point of view on this
[03:30] <shtylman> I personally was like... ok.. thats nice... moving on
[03:30] <shtylman> and didn't give it another thought
[03:30] <ScottK> OK, I'm going to go crash.
[03:30] <shtylman> my life has not been shattered by it... and the benefits I have gotten from chromium far outweight any loss here
[03:30] <shtylman> don't crash too hard
[03:30] <ScottK> Try not to.
[03:30] <shtylman> :)
[03:44] <txwikinger> hibernating does not seem to work very well in lucid
[03:47] <ScottK> txwikinger: What kind of machine?
[03:47] <txwikinger> futjitsu-siemens
[03:47] <txwikinger> lifebook
[03:47] <ScottK> Didn't hear anything about problems with those.
[03:47] <txwikinger> display came up in lower resolution
[03:48] <txwikinger> and knetworkmanager was disabled
[03:48] <txwikinger> I needed to kill it and restart it
[03:49] <ScottK> Nothing like that here
[03:49] <txwikinger> hmm.. maybe it was an one off
[03:49] <txwikinger> need to test that a bit
[03:50] <ScottK> These sorts of things are often very hardware specific.
[03:50] <txwikinger> yeah
[12:21] <ryanakca> Riddell: I'll take care of it when I get back from school tonight
[12:22] <Riddell> ryanakca: of which?
[13:15] <Quintasan> \o
[13:18] <shadeslayer> Quintasan: hi :D
[13:19] <Riddell> go go ISO testers!
[13:19] <Quintasan> sure, why not
[13:19] <shadeslayer> Riddell: exams... :(
[13:21] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i already have requests for 50 of the CD's... then theres the LoCo
[13:21] <Oxymoron> I guess someone in here uses Kdevelop? :)
[13:22] <Oxymoron> I wonder is it possible to autofix identation when you open a file?
[13:23] <Tm_T> what you mean by fixing indentation?
[13:23] <Tm_T> fixing the length of it or
[13:23] <Oxymoron> Tm_T: I show ya a screenshot what I mean its hard to explain
[13:24] <Tm_T> hrr
[13:24] <Oxymoron> All editors I have used before doesnt ident tabs correct
[13:25] <Tm_T> Oxymoron: or you haven't set them correctly (:
[13:25] <Oxymoron> Tm_T: http://imagebin.ca/view/0rmyMhEh.html
[13:26] <Oxymoron> Tm_T: If I should highlight those areas around methods parse and getqueries I would fix the identation but I would like it to fix by automation when I open file.
[13:27] <Oxymoron> In someway identation isnt setup correct for some tabs \t and some are correct.
[13:27] <Quintasan> oh so awesome
[13:28] <Quintasan> lucid live cd won't shutdown on kvm
[13:28] <Oxymoron> And whats difference between identation width and tabulator width?
[13:28] <Oxymoron> Kdevelop4 is rocking awesome btw, it has everything that I need from an editor and it looks good as well <3
[13:32] <Oxymoron> Tm_T: You see on my screenshot that some identation is smaller than other ones :S This is different in all editors I have used, in Zend Studio I thought everything was good and then I tested Netbeans and nothing works with identation, then Aptana which use same editor thing as Zend Studio which mean Eclipse. Then now I test Kdevelop which seem to finally do everything correct doesnt show my identation as I want it to be :P
[13:32] <Oxymoron> Its silly that I want correct identation but it annoys me if it isnt perfect because Im some sort of perfectionist
[13:39] <Oxymoron> What I want is that the editor should replace all 8 space characters with tabulators on-the-fly sort of speak. If I would highlight the whole file and press tab key it would replace spaces with tabulators.
[13:39] <Tm_T> hmmh
[13:39] <Tm_T> find&replace
[13:40] <Oxymoron> Tm_T: Yes but I would love to fix it without find and replace my whole framework source with several thousands of code lines ...
[13:43] <Oxymoron> Tm_T: Or maybe if its possible to build my own code formatter and select all source code and autofix code formatting and tabulators all at once <3 I have been looking for one in ages to setup the formatter after my own prefered formatting of PHP code. Zend Studio have almost what I want but you cant setup everything in there.
[13:44] <Tm_T> heh
[13:46] <Quintasan> Riddell: are those slides that show during install process translateable?
[13:49] <Oxymoron> Tm_T: Do you think its possible to make a code formatter which apply certain rules you provide it and then loop through a project folder and apply code formatting on every single file in a snatch? :P Is it theorethical possible to program something like that inside Kdevelop?
[13:49] <Oxymoron> Maybe some kind of editor plugin :)
[13:50] <Tm_T> no idea
[14:06] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: I think guys over in #kdevelop would be able to help you
[14:06] <Oxymoron> Quintasan: Didnt know there was such channel, thanks man :)
[14:07] <Quintasan> No problem :).
[14:07] <Quintasan> apachelogger: ping
[14:07] <apachelogger> Quintasan: huh?
[14:08] <Quintasan> oh awesome
[14:09] <Quintasan> apachelogger: I'm too lazy to search in backlog, you told me some time ago that I should go and learn polymorphism, classes, virtual functions etc, I've got the basics, anything else I should know?
[14:10] <apachelogger> dont think so
[14:10]  * apachelogger must elect a president now
[14:10] <Quintasan> :O
[14:10] <apachelogger> hm
[14:10] <apachelogger> 2x doctor and one lady
[14:11] <Quintasan> awesome, then I'm off looking for a Qt/KDE introduction
[14:11]  * apachelogger fires up universal decision maker
[14:11] <Quintasan> rand()?
[14:12] <Quintasan> kubotu: 8ball should I play stepmania now?
[14:12]  * kubotu shakes the magic 8-ball for Quintasan ... no
[14:12] <Quintasan> yeah!
[14:12] <Quintasan> oh, I want to play stepmania but I was wondering if kubout has 8ball
[14:13] <apachelogger> my oh my
[14:13] <Quintasan> 8ball I really should not play stepmania?
[14:13] <Quintasan> bah
[14:13] <Quintasan> silly me
[14:14]  * Quintasan gets his dancing mat
[14:14]  * apachelogger is done electing new president \\o/
[14:16] <Quintasan> that mean you have voted for yourself, right? :P
[14:16] <apachelogger> obviously enough
[14:17]  * Quintasan imagines HUGE posters "Vote for Harald!"
[14:17]  * apachelogger votes for himself ever since he is able to vote
[14:17] <apachelogger> didn't work out so fa
[14:17] <apachelogger> I suppose I must bribe someone into putting my name on the lists ;)
[14:17] <Quintasan> kubotu: order cookies for apachelogger
[14:17]  * kubotu slides a whole bunch of world's finest cookies down the bar to apachelogger.
[14:18] <Quintasan> or just start a rebellion :P
[14:18] <apachelogger> with like whom?
[14:18] <apachelogger> and against what?
[14:20] <Tonio_> https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/49357
[14:20] <Tonio_> hum, shouldn't we have that one packaged and added as a dep to the firefox-kde installer ?
[14:21] <Tonio_> it would contribute to have a nicelly integrated firefox
[14:23] <apachelogger> Tonio_: I'm using KDE 4.4.1 with FF 3.6.3. This extension keeps crashing. Unfortunately it doesn't work well with Xmarks either - it keeps deleting all my passwords
[14:23] <apachelogger> from the comments section
[14:23] <apachelogger> besides, it's too late now anyway :/
[14:24] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I was suggesting that for lucid+1 obviously :)
[14:24] <Tonio_> apachelogger: anyway kmozillahelper might handle this at that time
[14:24] <apachelogger> *nod*
[14:24] <apachelogger> makes more sense in kmozhelper anyway ;)
[14:25] <Tonio_> it comes to my mind... did we get a fix for oxygen ?
[14:25] <Tonio_> the "I break 3D performances by 80% with your modern intel chip !" ?
[14:25] <Tonio_> I had to switch the windeco just because of that
[14:25] <Tonio_> and that will annoy a LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOT of people
[14:26]  * apachelogger didnt know there was such an issue
[14:26] <Riddell> Quintasan: yes the slides are translatable
[14:27] <Oxymoron> Why isnt KDevelop4 ppa updated to RC3?
[14:27] <Riddell> Oxymoron: needing someone to package it
[14:27] <Tonio_> apachelogger: unortunatelly there is...
[14:27] <Quintasan> Riddell: awesome, I'll get to it soon
[14:28] <Oxymoron> Riddell: I could do it if someone tell me how, or maybe point me someway in correct direction. Btw, isnt there anything else than kubuntu-beta ppa for kdevelop?
[14:28] <Riddell> Quintasan: best be very soon, there's no point doing it after language packs get their final update for the CDs, unlike most software the slides are only run from the CDs
[14:29] <Quintasan> Riddell: When is the deadline?
[14:29]  * Quintasan can pull this off today but he is a bit lazy
[14:29] <Riddell> Oxymoron: grab the current sources, grab the new tar, rename the new tar to the correct naming pattern, copy over the debian/ directory from the old tar, dch -i for a new changelog entry, debuild to build it, debuild -S to build source
[14:29] <Riddell> Quintasan: not sure, dpm will know
[14:29] <Riddell> probably it's on the release schedule
[14:30] <Oxymoron> Riddell: Que? :D Didnt understand much of that :P
[14:31] <Riddell> Oxymoron: where do you get lost?
[14:31] <Oxymoron> Riddell: Rename to correct naming pattern and then where to get current source?
[14:32] <Quintasan> Oxymoron: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/PackagingGuide/Complete
[14:33] <Tonio_> apachelogger: I'll have to test oxygen again to see what's going on
[14:33] <Riddell> Oxymoron: get current sources from the PPA either through the web page or with apt-get source
[14:33] <Riddell> Oxymoron: nameing pattern has an underscore between name and version no and .orig.tar.gz at the end
[14:34] <Oxymoron> Riddell: Alright, hopefully I manage to fix it but I dont understand why it has to be so complicated to just compile source :P
[14:34] <dpm> Quintasan, Riddell, translation deadline for language pack packages is on Thursday, the 22nd, at 20:00 UTC -> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[14:35] <Tonio_> yeah....... still so dramatically slow here with oxygen....
[14:36] <Quintasan> dpm: ah, okay will get to it now
[14:39] <dpm> cool, thanks
[14:42] <Quintasan> Riddell: are those slides a different package?
[14:43] <Riddell> Quintasan: ubiquity-slideshow-ubuntu
[15:09] <shadeslayer> nixternal: there?
[15:09] <shadeslayer> ill brb..... weechat is acting up
[15:10] <shadeslayer> ah irssi is much better :)
[15:11] <shadeslayer> oh well i just wanted to point out that the wallpaper ( if you can call it that ) atop the desktop cube is not of the right size
[15:12] <shadeslayer> nixternal: http://imagebin.ca/view/urBZMoJ.html
[16:11] <ScottK> Tm_T: Can I get some powerpc testing? http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/ports/daily-live/current/
[16:36] <Quintasan> 25% done \o/
[16:48] <scottl_> is the network management plasma widget replacing knetworkmanager for lucid?
[16:51] <Riddell> scottl_: no
[16:51] <lex79> scottl_: no we still use network-manager-kde
[16:51] <shadeslayer> the widget still has a few bugs imp
[16:51] <shadeslayer> *imo
[16:51] <scottl_> ok thanks
[16:57] <neversfelde> is 20100419.2 of kubuntu-netbook the candidate iso for the rc?
[16:59] <Riddell> neversfelde: yes
[17:00] <neversfelde> thanks
[17:00] <ScottK> nixternal: Did your powerpc box survive the disaster?
[17:10] <nixternal> ScottK: yes it did...need me to turn it on?
[17:11] <ScottK> nixternal: Can it run Kubuntu for at least a test install?  We've got ISOs need testing.
[17:12] <nixternal> i can probably set that up later to do, i can't do that now though
[17:14] <nigelb> nixternal, you seem to have had a fun conference.  Also, the stickers on your laptop rocks.
[17:15] <nixternal> must have been an old conference
[17:16] <nigelb> nixternal, that help thing
[17:17] <ScottK> nixternal: That'd be great.  I think we've got a great powerpc release here and I want to make sure we get it tested and verified.
[17:17] <shadeslayer> nigelb: what stickers? :P
[17:18] <nigelb> shadeslayer, his laptop is black, but its covered with these multicolored stickers like ubuntu, kde, (dont remember the rest)
[17:19] <shadeslayer> nigelb: nice!!!
[17:19]  * shadeslayer plans to steal nixternal's laptop and the stickers
[17:19] <shadeslayer> of course ill give the laptop back... no use for me :)
[17:20] <shadeslayer> nixternal: did you pay for them? or did you get them for free?
[17:20] <shadeslayer> oh and did you get my earlier message?
[17:26] <nixternal> shadeslayer: got them for free
[17:26] <nixternal> I had a ton of the FSF stickers a while or so back
[17:26] <shadeslayer> oh yayy... i have no taskbar now...
[17:27] <nixternal> gotta have tasks in order to have a task bar, so get to work! :p
[17:27] <shadeslayer> nixternal: nice :P
[17:28] <shadeslayer> i knew i shouldnt have added that rss reader....
[17:29] <shadeslayer> btw did you guys see the new blur effect in kde 4.5?
[17:31] <shadeslayer> and what will : http://www.kdenews.org/2010/04/01/announcing-upcoming-release-new-customized-kde-software-compilations : mean for us?
[17:32] <neversfelde> shadeslayer: it was published on 1st of April?
[17:32] <claydoh> lol!
[17:32] <shadeslayer> neversfelde: hehe
[17:33] <claydoh> it means we get Pink Ponies!!
[17:34] <shadeslayer> claydoh: :P
[17:34] <shadeslayer> oh and checkout http://www.enricoros.com/blog/2010/04/delicious-transblurency/
[17:43] <jussi> so no one wants to use kobby at UDS?
[17:44] <Riddell> not enough to have to backport gnome packages..
[17:44] <jussi> hehe
[17:45] <ScottK> jussi: If someone can test, I can deal with the actual backports.
[17:46] <jussi> ScottK: I can install hardy and jaunty into VMware and test.
[17:46] <jussi> or virtualbox :D
[17:46] <ScottK> jussi: OK.
[17:46]  * jussi grabs isos...
[17:56] <jussi> ScottK: do we need to test intrepid?
[17:57] <ScottK> jussi: No.  It will be out of support by UDS
[17:57] <jussi> ScottK: excellent.
[17:58] <jussi> iso's are downloading.
[18:19] <jussi> ScottK: jaunty installed, hardy on its way. Ill be ready whenever you are (today or later :D ) I assume youll pop it in a PPA somewhere. Just let me know where :)
[18:19] <ScottK> OK.
[18:49] <txwikinger> ScottK: is there finally a server that works for kobby?
[18:50] <nookie^> Riddell: ping
[18:51] <ScottK> txwikinger: I didn't look into it, but I'd assume so.
[18:51] <txwikinger> I thought the last time we couldn't use it because the server version required was not stable enough or something like that
[18:52] <jussi> txwikinger: no, its not that it isnt stable enough, its that it needed to be compatible across versions
[18:53] <txwikinger> yeah or something like that
[20:17] <BreetaiZentradi> Hi all, I want to install koffice on the kubuntu lucid beta. apt-get install koffice gets me a /usr/share/dos/koffice folder with a readme file. Where is the real koffice at?
[20:22] <neversfelde> kde bug 234010
[21:23] <neversfelde> ScottK: I could not reproduce the plasma-netbook bug you mentioned yesterday so far.
[21:25] <neversfelde> Blizzz: no problems with our account
[21:26] <ScottK> neversfelde: It's an intermittent problem.  I've only had it now and then.  I'm mostly concerned it doesn't causes regressions.
[21:26] <ScottK> If you don't see any negative effects, then I think we should get it in.
[21:26] <ScottK> Maybe apachelogger will backport it to the KDE 4.4 branch too.
[21:26] <ScottK> (in kde svn)
[21:27] <neversfelde> ScottK: ok, I will work further work on it tomorrow, sorry too late over here now
[21:27] <ScottK> neversfelde: Thanks.  We're frozen until Thursday, so I think it's fine.
[21:30] <Blizzz> neversfelde: fine
[22:30] <maco> i guess the nm plasmoid is no worse than knm. both fail utterly with hidden ssid
[22:34] <ScottK> That is true.
[22:34] <ScottK> Unimplemented feature though, not a bug.
[22:40] <maco> well you can *tell* it the ssid though, thats the confusing bit. even if you tell it the ssid it still doesnt work
[22:40] <maco> though it did seem to set the AP when i looked with iwconfig, just wouldnt get an ip address
[22:41] <maco> (plasmoid that is.  never peaked with iwconfig while using knm)
[23:40] <Riddell> ryanakca: how's the countdown?