[00:00] <benkevan> You can switch using gconf..
[00:00] <Dezine> Hmm, is there anyway to move them back?
[00:00] <benkevan> gconftool-2 --set "/apps/metacity/general/button_layout" --type string "menu:minimize,maximize,close"
[00:00] <Dezine> aha thanks benkevan
[00:00] <Dezine> I know it's minor but it irks me
[00:00] <benkevan> I prefer KDE.. and well.. they didn't f with those :D hahahah
[00:01] <Dezine> I have used both over the years but I always come back to gnome. Any major changes in kde 10.04?
[00:02] <apple_cat> Dezine: It's a bit less blue, and a bit more swooshy and grey
[00:02] <benkevan> As compared to? I dunno.. I really like KDE 4.4 :D.. I used GNOME for a while.. but dunno.. I am opposite.. I went from 3.5.10 back to 4.3.. now LOVE 4.4 :)
[00:02] <bpZero> i selected solid color background in profile preferences, but my terminal window still has a slightly translucent background
[00:02] <bpZero> where do i fix that?
[00:02] <benkevan> terminal config.. remove trasn
[00:03] <Dezine> Huh, guess I'll just have to install kubuntu and check it out :) I love trying out new Linux stuff
[00:04] <bpZero> there are three options.. solid color, image, and transparent background... solid color is selected and transparency amount  under transparent background is greyed out
[00:04] <bjsnider> benkevan, nvidia-settings is in main.
[00:04] <benkevan> Dezine: You can just install kde.. but if you really prefer you can do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop..
[00:04] <benkevan> if you really want to go back.. I've blogged about "which apps" are installed with it: http://www.freetechie.com/blog/packages-installed-with-apt-get-kubuntu-desktop/
[00:05] <benkevan> bjsnider: That's the one I have installed
[00:05] <Dezine> Right, is there a way to backup a list of what I have installed now and then remove all and reinstall just those packages later?
[00:05] <bjsnider> benkevan, then i guess it works perfectly
[00:06] <benkevan> bjsnider: That's where you are wrong.. haha..
[00:06] <Maletor> I have an error that I get on boot http://gist.github.com/371506. When I restart into recovery mode and hit reconfigure packages I get this error: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'util-linux'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2). When I try and do failsafeX mode I get a dialog box but my keyboard and mouse, which have always worked in the past, stop working. Nothing else can go wro
[00:06] <Maletor> Can anyone help me?
[00:06] <benkevan> what version do you have? from the same said package?
[00:06] <bjsnider> !info nvidia-settings
[00:06] <benkevan> Dezine.. check out my blog post linked above.. it has a list of all the KDE packages installed when you do sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[00:06] <benkevan> if you want.. you can then go to /var/log/apt/history.log to see what else you've installed afterwards..
[00:07] <Dezine> Alright, will do.
[00:08] <benkevan> bjsnider: Don't see how that's useful?
[00:08] <bjsnider> how what is useful?
[00:08] <benkevan> the !info that you sent me..
[00:09] <bjsnider> you asked what version i have installed
[00:09] <benkevan> says nothing about the version only the nvidia driver version
[00:09] <benkevan> which != nvidia-settings version
[00:09] <bjsnider> 195.36.08-0ububtu2
[00:10] <benkevan> bjsnider: that != the version of nvidia-settings.. which is 1.0
[00:10] <tormod> ubuntu-one-syncd is waking up my CPU a lot according to powertop
[00:11] <bjsnider> benkevan, you cannot save your xorg.conf, or you cannot generate one, or what exactly is the problem?
[00:12] <benkevan> bjsnider: sudo nvidia-settings --> change some stuff --> save xorg.conf --> error because sanity check doesn't find information which doesn't need to be in xorg.conf any longer..
[00:12] <benkevan> bjsnider: sudo nvidia-xconfig --> error because sanity check shows that stuff that used to be required in xorg.conf (which are no longer required) don't run
[00:14] <TommyThaGun> how do you change the my video output from 32 to 16 in KDE?
[00:15] <bjsnider> benkevan, pastebin your xorg.conf
[00:15] <benkevan> http://pastebin.com/mEfWyN8C
[00:17] <bjsnider> nice to see nvidia-xconfig is still putting unnecessary crap in there
[00:19] <benkevan> ah.. now I think I may be getting it
[00:19] <benkevan> I have to do nvidia-xconfig then nvidia-settings
[00:19] <benkevan> but just need to install pkg-config first
[00:19] <bjsnider> benkevan, have you got an unusual setup, like a monitor with a broken edid chip, or dual monitors> because otherwise you should just use jockey's xorg.conf
[00:20] <benkevan> i have 2 monitors..
[00:20] <benkevan> 1 on laptop
[00:20] <benkevan> one coming off my docking station
[00:20] <bjsnider> so you want the other monitor int he xorg.conf
[00:20] <benkevan> BUT I only ever use one :(
[00:21] <benkevan> http://pastebin.com/v7xx5MG3
[00:21] <benkevan> now that's what I'm getting.
[00:21] <kklimonda> !find gobject-introspection-1.0.pc
[00:22] <benkevan> kklimonda: for me?
[00:23] <kklimonda> no, for me :)
[00:23] <kklimonda> sorry :)
[00:23] <Maletor> I have an error that I get on boot http://gist.github.com/371506. When I restart into recovery mode and hit reconfigure packages I get this error: E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'util-linux'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details. (2). When I try and do failsafeX mode I get a dialog box but my keyboard and mouse, which have always worked in the past, stop working. Can anyone help me? I a
[00:23] <Maletor> running sudo apt-get dist-upgrade Immediate-configure=false now
[00:24] <maco> Maletor: the only error there is the pretty boot splash. util linux is giving no errors
[00:24] <Maletor> either way running sudo /etc/init.d/gdm start
[00:24] <Maletor> gives me a login screen
[00:24] <maco> Maletor: try booting without the "splash" command though why you have usplash *at all* instead of plymouth is beyond me
[00:25] <Maletor> but i think gdm freezes because then i can't use keyboard or mouse
[00:25] <Maletor> because it's default?
[00:25] <maco> no its not
[00:25] <maco> plymouth is default
[00:25] <Maletor> in lucid?
[00:25] <maco> usplash was in older releases
[00:25] <maco> yes, lucid uses plymouth
[00:25] <Maletor> k then i don't know why this is happening
[00:25] <bjsnider> benkevan, just out of curiosity, did you upgrade from another distro, or is this mess off a clean install?
[00:25] <Maletor> probably has to do with second error
[00:25] <maco> what error?
[00:26] <Maletor> off of 9.10
[00:26] <Maletor> E: Could not perform immediate configuration on 'util-linux'.Please see man 5 apt.conf under APT::Immediate-Configure for details
[00:26] <maco> there's only one error in your gist, and that error is that *something that isnt supposed to even be installed* has a bug
[00:26] <Maletor> i am running dist-upgrade with immediate-configure=0 right now
[00:26] <Maletor> almost done
[00:26] <Maletor> all my services start up fine, i can ssh in when i get that memtest error
[00:27] <maco> ooooh woah hang on? your memory is fubar and youre *surprised* other stuff's broken?
[00:28] <maco> if youre getting errors from memtest, be more surprised that anything works!
[00:28] <Maletor> why is memtest broken
[00:28] <Maletor> maco, that's the error in the gist!
[00:28] <maco> no it isnt
[00:28] <maco> gist says nothing about memtest
[00:28] <maco> memtest tells you when your physical ram is bad
[00:28] <Maletor> well when i go into recovery mode and try memtest it says file not found
[00:28] <maco> memtest isnt a file
[00:28] <Maletor> my ram is fine, it's brand new and was working earler today
[00:29] <maco> its in your boot menu or on the cd
[00:29] <Maletor> well that's what grub says
[00:29] <Maletor> and it doesn't run
[00:29] <maco> whatever im going back to class. you cant seem to get your story straight about what's wrong
[00:29] <Maletor> are you kidding?
[00:29] <Maletor> because you can't solve it, you have to come up with something like that?
[00:30] <maco> you say memtest gives you errors, then you say that there's no memtest?
[00:30] <Maletor> i'm referring this line in gist
[00:30] <Maletor> [     14.218611] usplash:425 freeing invalid memtype fffffffff9000000-ffffffff9e00000
[00:30] <maco> that says its a usplash error, nothng at all about memtest
[00:30] <maco> and usplash shoudnt even be installed
[00:30] <maco> so when you boot edit teh boot line and turn off splash and see if it doesnt do that
[00:31] <Maletor> when i did sudo apt-get upgrade it said 326 packages held back
[00:31] <Maletor> so now i had to run apt-get dist-upgrade to get them to install and run it with immediate-config=0 so that i can bypass that util-linux error
[00:32] <maco> O_o given that apt preferences error before... are you *sure* you dont have some weird apt configuration thats breaking things?
[00:32] <Maletor> i haven't done anything to fsck with apt
[00:32] <maco> by default there should be no files in /etc/apt/prefereces.d/
[00:32] <Maletor> ls proves it is empty
[00:32] <TommyThaGun> I just don't think I can make the switch to KDE
[00:32] <maco> nor anything in /etc/apt/apt.conf
[00:32] <TommyThaGun> I feel like I genuinely tried it
[00:33] <TommyThaGun> but I can't do it
[00:33] <TommyThaGun> Maybe it's because my computer is too slow. KDE doesn't feel very responsive to me
[00:33] <Maletor> i fixed it !
[00:33] <Maletor> i am the man!
[00:34] <maco> TommyThaGun: ive found memory leaks in a few kde apps that i should get around to trying to fix at some point, so im not surprised. i regularly have all 4GB of memory on my system in use
[00:34] <maco> (granted, a bit over 1GB of that is firefox)
[00:35] <Maletor> thanks maco
[00:37] <TommyThaGun> wow, really maco? 1 gig for FF?
[00:38] <NinoScript> heeeelp! "Your disk drives are being checked for errors" 0% 1% 2% 3%4% 0% 2%4% 0%1% 4% 0% etc...
[00:38] <TommyThaGun> they are?
[00:38] <TommyThaGun> oh
[00:38] <TommyThaGun> what is the problem NinoScript? are you getting that message?
[00:39] <NinoScript> TommyThaGun: yes!, it doesn't get past 4%, and if I press <ESC> it starts blinking and passing lots and lots of messages per second (I can't read what they say... they're toooooo fast)
[00:41] <TommyThaGun> uh oh
[00:41] <TommyThaGun> is it doing that during boot?
[00:42] <histo> Why are all the options for keeping files in the startup disk creator greyed out?
[00:45] <NinoScript> when I choose anything at grub
[00:45] <h00k> Lucid is planned to have iphone/ipod touch support with libmuxusb, yes?
[00:46] <h00k> oh, hey, and it works. nice.
[00:47] <Ken8521> h00k, what are you using to sync it?
[00:47] <h00k> Ken8521: Rhythmbox
[00:47] <Ken8521> can you sync pics/video to it?
[00:47] <h00k> Ken8521: it's not mine, but I did get it to sync musics.
[00:47] <h00k> Ken8521: I haven't tried pics/video and I don't really have a use for that
[00:47] <Ken8521> hmmm
[00:48] <h00k> Ken8521: but Music at least works
[00:48] <TommyThaGun> is it slow h00k? when I was syncing in 9.10 it took forever
[00:48] <TommyThaGun> is it still that slow?
[00:48] <h00k> TommyThaGun: no, and 9.10 doesn't have libmuxusb to sync it
[00:48] <terroh8er> hi guys, i just tried to install ubuntu 10.04 on my laptop and it sat at the purple loading screen for 15 minutes. any ideas?
[00:48] <TommyThaGun> it doesn't h00k, but I installed it and tried syncing with it
[00:49] <NinoScript> what can I do? :(
[00:49] <h00k> TommyThaGun: ah, okay. Anyway, no, it wasn't slow, worked as expected. Just like any other device.
[00:49] <TommyThaGun> I found something ont he web about how to get it to work with 9.10
[00:49] <TommyThaGun> nice, need to give it a try
[00:49] <TommyThaGun> I haven't connected it since I upgraded because I worried it might still be crappy
[00:50] <PatrickDK> heh, this is something I didn't expect
[00:50] <PatrickDK> just installed lucid server
[00:50] <PatrickDK> and the boot complains like 10+ times about plymouth
[00:50] <h00k> TommyThaGun: it did the albumart
[00:50] <h00k> TommyThaGun: apparently
[00:51] <TommyThaGun> yeah, plymouth has been sort of a problem PatrickDK
[00:51] <TommyThaGun> I've gotten errors too... so we know it exsists
[00:52] <TommyThaGun> I still haven't seen the actual splash though
[00:52] <PatrickDK> well, I didn't even think plymouth would be isntall when you install from a server cd
[00:52] <PatrickDK> the actual splash isn't worth looking at when it does work :(
[00:52] <TommyThaGun> oh
[00:53] <maco> TommyThaGun: 100+ tabs...yeah
[00:54] <TommyThaGun> oh.. that would explain it
[00:54] <TommyThaGun> why in the world would you ever need that many open
[00:54] <TommyThaGun> even for development
[00:59] <Pici> craigbass1976: you'll need to upgrade through 9.10 first
[00:59] <craigbass1976> I need to get from hardy to Lucid, preferrably as an upgrade rather than a clean install.
[01:00] <craigbass1976> Pici, I can't, can I?  Weren't the repos for Intrepid already shut down?
[01:00] <Pici> craigbass1976: hardy was 8.04, not 9.04.
[01:00] <Ken8521> craigbass1976, yes, but you'll be going LTS to LTS, that's a supported upgrade path.
[01:00] <Pici> 8.04 -> 10.04 is supported, 9.04 must go through 9.10 first
[01:01] <TommyThaGun> hmm
[01:01] <Ken8521> exactly
[01:01] <TommyThaGun> interesting
[01:01] <TommyThaGun> that's good to know
[01:01] <craigbass1976> Right, I think I went from dapper to hardy, but it was a while ago
[01:01] <Ken8521> personally, i couldn't imagine keeping the same ubuntu OS on my machine for 3yrs...lol
[01:01] <TommyThaGun> well, sorta. I sorta like bleeding edge things anyway and will probably just upgrade to 10.10 when it's out
[01:01] <TommyThaGun> yeah
[01:01] <Ken8521> TommyThaGun, 8.04 to 10.10, i don't think would be supported
[01:02] <Ken8521> you'd hav to go 8.04, 10.04, 10.10
[01:02] <TommyThaGun> haven y'all seen the leaked iPhone HD?
[01:02] <craigbass1976> It's my wife's computer; I tend to leave it alone so nothing breaks.  No like at work where I can tell people to go pound sand
[01:02] <Ken8521> lol
[01:03] <Ken8521> actually, i think the Lucid Beta(at least for me), has been the smoothest of them all, and i've beta'd them since 7.04, and ran 8.04-9.04 usually in alpha
[01:03] <TommyThaGun> http://gizmodo.com/5520164/this-is-apples-next-iphone
[01:03] <Pici> TommyThaGun: Please keep #ubuntu+! for ubuntu lucid discussion, you can talk about the iphone in #ubuntu-offtopic
[01:03] <TommyThaGun> oh
[01:03] <TommyThaGun> sorry
[01:04] <Pici> And I'm not doing well with typing tonight.
[01:04] <TommyThaGun> no worries, you got your message across
[01:04] <TommyThaGun> I don't think I like the default mouse cursor in lucid
[01:06] <TommyThaGun> but it won't change
[01:06] <NinoScript> should I just reinstall everything? :(
[01:07] <TommyThaGun> was that a fresh install NinoScript ?
[01:07] <TommyThaGun> what happened to make this error come up?
[01:07] <craigbass1976> What I'm worried about is how much firefox and thunderbird have changed under the hood.  Profiles should make the transition well?  And even if I back them up first, how the blazes will I get an old profile into the new version of the app
[01:08] <NinoScript> TommyThaGun: Fresh install, then I installed typical things (Gnome-Do, restricted extras, Chromium, Docky), then suspended
[01:08] <TommyThaGun> it should be a relitively smooth transition craigbass1976
[01:08] <TommyThaGun> I would think that the only real danger you would face there is that some add-ons might not have newer versions
[01:09] <craigbass1976> TommyThaGun, in case it's not, go ahead and give me your street address.  I'll bring my wife.  ;)
[01:09] <NinoScript> when I resumed (it was not the first time I suspended) nothing worked, had to hard shut down
[01:09] <gartral> hey all, serious bug here. at boot, my system is set to 3.10 Ghz per core (i7 860, 4 core 8 thread). after the os loads and my ppanels come up, the CPU Scaling Frequency Monitor fails too show or allow me to scale to the Overclocked speeds
[01:09] <NinoScript> and it started happenning
[01:10] <TommyThaGun> have you tried loading in failsafe mode?
[01:11] <NinoScript> TommyThaGun: yes, same behaviour
[01:11] <TommyThaGun> when you go into failsafe it automatically starts the scan?
[01:11] <TommyThaGun> then I don't know... I'm out of ideas
[01:12] <NinoScript> TommyThaGun: :(
[01:12] <TommyThaGun> maybe ask someone like Pici, or maco
[01:12] <NinoScript> when can I find them?
[01:12] <TommyThaGun> umm
[01:12] <TommyThaGun> !ops
[01:12] <Pici> TommyThaGun: ?
[01:13] <TommyThaGun> oh
[01:13] <gartral> hey all, serious bug here. at boot, my system is set to 3.10 Ghz per core (i7 860, 4 core 8 thread). after the os loads and my ppanels come up, the CPU Scaling Frequency Monitor fails too show or allow me to scale to the Overclocked speeds
[01:13] <Pici> TommyThaGun: Please don't use that unless there is a real channel emergency.
[01:13] <TommyThaGun> oh
[01:13] <TommyThaGun> Pici keeps having to put me in my place
[01:13] <NinoScript> I think "channel emergency" was a bit too much :P
[01:13] <TommyThaGun> I guess I'm not sure what constitutes a channel emergency
[01:14] <NinoScript> Maybe a Troll?
[01:14] <craigbass1976> out of cigarettes
[01:14] <Ken8521> troll isn't a channel emergency
[01:14] <NinoScript> a horde of them?
[01:14] <Pici> yes, a horde of trolls.
[01:14] <Ken8521> NinoScript, i'd say a horde, yeah.. maybe..lol
[01:15] <NinoScript> :P
[01:15] <Ken8521> personally, it takes something pretty offensive/out there to offend me... i'm not against using the ignore feature... the ones that get me, are the flooders
[01:15] <TommyThaGun> haha
[01:15] <KB1JWQ> Yeah, I can turn on cmode bridge in that case, gets rid of trolls.
[01:16] <NinoScript> damn, I needed ubuntu for my electronics stuff, I don't have enough software in MacOSX, none of you have seen a problem like mine before?
[01:16] <Pici> NinoScript: how long did you let it try to do its thing?
[01:17] <NinoScript> about 15 minutes
[01:17] <gartral> NinoScript: what went wrong durring installation?
[01:17] <NinoScript> never went over 4%
[01:17] <TommyThaGun> NinoScript, have you tried diagnosing it through a livecd?
[01:18] <Pici> Aye, I'd try a fsck via a liveCD
[01:18] <RambJoe> anyone use tucan manager?
[01:18] <gartral> have you considered trying the alternate install, kde, or even 9.10?
[01:18] <NinoScript> gartral: nothing during instalation, it just froze, and after a hard reboot, it wouldn't boot
[01:18] <RambJoe> it crashes when i try to start a download :( :S
[01:18] <gartral> NinoScript: intel mac, yea?
[01:19] <NinoScript> gartral: yes
[01:19] <NinoScript> Pici: so, boot from the liveCD, then run fsck in a terminal.. does it need any option? should I read a tutorial or something?
[01:20] <gartral> NinoScript: how far did you get with fsck? did you repartition anything?
[01:20] <gartral> NinoScript: you have PM
[01:21] <NinoScript> gartral: I didn't do anything with fsck, just the check it automatically does
[01:21] <Raydiation> no updates these evening, things seem to stabilize
[01:22] <TommyThaGun> today I had two updates for sun-java
[01:22] <TommyThaGun> at two different times
[01:22] <TommyThaGun> other than that, nothing for me
[01:25] <Raydiation> over the past few days i got like 1 update every hour
[01:27] <Maletor> Jockey isn't finding the drivers I need.
[01:27] <Maletor> I need NVIDIA - 195.35.08 ubuntu 2
[01:28] <Ken8521> Maletor, i believe jockey is dead on 10.04
[01:28] <Ken8521> !jockey
[01:29] <Maletor> jockey is so dead...
[01:29] <Ken8521> i had problems setting up nvidia and dual screens on my main PC, but i reinstalled the daily build earlier today to clear some tihngs up, and it worked perfectly out of the box, just like in 9.10
[01:30] <bjsnider> !info gnome-shell lucid
[01:30] <Maletor> i had the latest from the nvidia website installed
[01:30] <Maletor> but i like using the jockey ones better because it's practically the same thing and it updates with the kernel better
[01:31] <Maletor> how should i install and activate a driver Ken8521?
[01:32] <Ken8521> Maletor, like i said, i had a lot of probs with the beta 1 cd, and when i reinstalled today w/ the daily build.. it worked perfectly
[01:32] <Maletor> I can't uninstall then reinistall
[01:32] <Ken8521> Maletor, hang on..
[01:32] <Ken8521> then why are you using a beta?
[01:32] <Ken8521> is your system up to date?
[01:32] <Maletor> i can
[01:32] <Maletor> yes
[01:34] <gartral> my cdroms aint showing up!
[01:35] <Santneo> i want to be, in new realease.
[01:36] <Santneo> :)
[01:36] <Ken8521> Maletor, that should be fixed.. are you sure you're up to date?
[01:36] <Maletor> 100%
[01:37] <Maletor> sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade
[01:37] <Pici> Maletor: you should be using dist-upgrade if you expect to get the latest packages.
[01:38] <Ken8521> dunno, cuz like i said, i had a lot of problems w that on beta1, then did the daily today, and it worked like always,
[01:38] <Maletor> Pici: I have done dist-upgrade and that results in nothing new either
[01:38] <Ken8521> Maletor, is it saying it can't activate, or something like that?
[01:38] <gartral> ooooook.. something went bork. You do not have the permissions necessary to view the contents of "cdrom0".
[01:38] <TommyThaGun> has anyone tested Gnome Shell?
[01:38] <Santneo> sure
[01:38] <Maletor> it used to say that, Ken8521, then I removed and purged a bunch on nvidia crap and now i'm booted in low graphics mode and jockey won't find the driver i need any more
[01:39] <gartral> TommyThaGun: whats that? as simple as it sounds?
[01:39] <NinoScript> I'm booting with a Live CD. how do I use fsck?
[01:39] <quidnunc> Anyone else having trouble with evolution sending mail through smtp on recent update?
[01:39] <Ken8521> Maletor, maybe try post #7?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1386207&highlight=nvidia+driver
[01:39] <TommyThaGun> gartral, it's gnome 3
[01:40] <TommyThaGun> http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell
[01:40] <TommyThaGun> here are some screen shots: http://live.gnome.org/GnomeShell/Tour
[01:40] <Maletor> Will let you know how goes Ken8521
[01:41] <Ken8521> Maletor, although, i still suspect yoru system is not up to date
[01:41] <NinoScript> TommyThaGun: I've tried gnome-shell
[01:41] <TommyThaGun> I'm not familiar with fsck NinoScript
[01:41] <TommyThaGun> how is it?
[01:41] <NinoScript> I like it, in fact it's really close to how I like to configure my systems
[01:41] <Maletor> Ken8521 i did apt-cache policy jockey
[01:42] <Maletor> and i get 0.5.8-0ubuntu8
[01:42] <TommyThaGun> interesting
[01:42] <NinoScript> you get an activity button, in which you can dinamically add more workspaces, search for applications, see all workspaces in an "exposé" view
[01:42] <gartral> ok, my system is saying i dont have the rights to read the cd. even as ROOT
[01:42] <TommyThaGun> I wonder if there is a way to test gnome shell without overwriting what I have for gnome now
[01:43] <NinoScript> and has nice integration with zeitgeist for viewing recent used files
[01:43] <NinoScript> no, it does nothing to the gnome instalation
[01:43] <gartral> TommyThaGun: yes. it can run in a window in your current session, says so right on home page
[01:43] <NinoScript> you open it with gnome-shell --replace
[01:44] <NinoScript> and when you want to comeback, you say gnome-panel --replace
[01:44] <NinoScript> about 2 or 3 weeks ago, I played alot with it
[01:44] <NinoScript> :P
[01:45] <quidnunc> Let me phrase my question differently: Is anyone not having problems sending mail via smtp using evolution?
[01:45] <Ken8521> quidnunc, don't use evolution, i think it sucks.
[01:45] <Ken8521> t-bird 3 looks fantastic
[01:46]  * charlie-tca uses claws-mail
[01:46] <quidnunc> Ken8521: Thanks for letting me know.
[01:46] <Ken8521> quidnunc, didn't want you to think you were being annoyed
[01:46] <Ken8521> *ignored
[01:47] <Maletor> Ken8521: now it says nvidia_current in jockey and that it is activated but not currently in use. nvidia-settings shows 195.36.15
[01:48] <Ken8521> have you tried restarting after activating it?
[01:49] <Maletor> yes and it shows up like it looks nice, but it is still finding 195.36.15 i think jockey would like to use 195.36.08ubuntu2 if i'm not mistaken
[01:49] <NinoScript> yay! "fsck -fyv /dev/x" solved it, if you hadn't mentioned "fsck" I would never have repaired it, as I'm quite noob with linux :P
[01:50] <Ken8521> Maletor, dunno, like i said, you're describing almost exactly the problem i had back when i first installed beta1
[01:50] <aldaek> 10.04 will not have the new menu, correct?
[01:50] <Maletor> so can we expect this to be smoothed out by apr 28?
[01:51] <Ken8521> Maletor, its supposed to be smoothed out now, thus why i don't understand your problem, what kernel are you using?
[01:51] <Ken8521> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1458252&highlight=nvidia
[01:51] <Maletor> the latest
[01:51] <bpZero> grub-install --root-directory=...   fails when the path has a a space, even if you quote or escape it
[01:52] <Maletor> 2.6.32
[01:53] <Ken8521> Maletor, dunno, i can't offer any further assistance
[01:53] <bjsnider> Ken8521, he said he used the nvidia-installer at one point. you can't do that in lucid without pooching things
[01:54] <Ken8521> bjsnider, well, i'd say thats his issue then, i didn't see him mention that
[01:54] <bjsnider> yes,  you're on your own if you do that. it's unsupported totally
[01:55] <Maletor> bjsnider: yes i used sh "NVIDIA-version" and went through their install
[01:55] <Maletor> what now?
[01:55] <Ken8521> Maletor, well, you definitely borked somethign then, i've read others having issues w/ lucid and the nvidia driver, i'm guessing that is your problem
[01:55] <bjsnider> Maletor, sorry, no offense to you personally, but i'm not going to go there.
[01:56] <Ken8521> lol
[01:56] <Ken8521> sudo apt-get reinstall
[01:56] <bjsnider> i would do a wipe/reload
[01:56] <Maletor> i did do a sh "NVIDIA-version --uninstall"
[01:56] <histo> Hrm. I just put a daily build on usb and booted. The splash screen is differrent than the one on my hd install?  Its dist-upgraded all the way. Its like the splash never got updated though on my hd instlal
[01:57] <Ken8521> histo, i did the daily build this morning, looks the same t me.. maybe i'm crazy though.. :)
[01:57] <histo> Trying to avoid reinstalling the hd install rather just keep dist-upgrading
[01:57] <histo> Ken8521: well my splash on my hd install is real low res
[01:57] <thomas001> hi i am running lucid on my thinkpad. after some time of inactivity the screen is dimmed to the lowest brightness. when there is activity again the display becomes brighter again, but the original brightness is not restored...the screen is darker than before. is this a bug or intentional when using battery?
[01:57] <Ken8521> histo, yup
[01:58] <histo> Ken8521: when I booted the daily of usb the splash was real high quality
[01:58] <the_dark_warrio> I'mm trying to turn my ubuntu on, but it stucks on a "Disk Check", which slows down when 70% reaches. It's checking the disk for an hour for now. Any one experiencing the same situation?
[01:58] <Ken8521> histo, thats why i usually clean install after all the beta stuff is done, and its finally released.. i'm convinced some stuff just doesn't update
[01:58] <histo> Ken8521: and hi res it appeared
[01:59] <histo> Ken8521: Yeah I can confirmt hat the splash doesn't
[01:59] <histo> Ken8521: also the theme switching it never goes to the new default themee
[01:59] <Ken8521> yup.
[02:00] <Ken8521> lucid has been amazingly stable since beta1 on my two machines.
[02:00] <Ken8521> desktop had some minor issues, but they cleared up by beta2.
[02:01] <histo> Unbeleveable how fast it ran of usb lol.
[02:01] <Ken8521> i've not tried a usb install
[02:02] <johnjohn101> how do I find out if a bug in 10.04 has been reported?
[02:03] <Ken8521> Maletor, did you upgrade the problem machine, from 9.10, or is this a clean install of 10.04
[02:03] <Ken8521> ?
[02:03] <johnjohn101> I installed it at the last alpha and have upgraded it since
[02:03] <Ken8521> johnjohn101, ask your question, if its a bug, someone here will probably already know about it.
[02:03] <sivel> hey guys, recently did an upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04, since then I have lost audio.  even though I have the indicator applet I don't see anything for sound...
[02:03] <Maletor> Ken8521: upgrade form 9.10
[02:04] <sivel> I do hear sound when I get to the login screen.
[02:04] <johnjohn101> i'm using vmware and every once in while it loses the mouse
[02:04] <johnjohn101> i have to reboot
[02:04] <Ken8521> sivel, click it and see if its muted(i know it sounds ridiculous, but its muted by default)
[02:04] <sivel> Ken8521: System->Preferences->Sound shows that it is not.
[02:05] <Ken8521> hmm.
[02:05] <Ken8521> dunno.
[02:05] <histo> sivel: I had the same but a while back can't remember what I did to fix it. Some setting in gconf I believe. sound was messed with my user.
[02:05] <sivel> bah, got it working
[02:05] <sivel> still don't see the audio applet
[02:06] <sivel> had to use alsamixer to adjust volumes on "speaker" and now it is working
[02:06] <Ken8521> but you don't have a sound icon in your panel?
[02:07] <sivel> no, I don't and as I read it is now part of the indicator applet
[02:07] <sivel> which I have
[02:07] <Ken8521> right..
[02:07] <Ken8521> have you tried adding indicator applet to your panel?
[02:07] <sivel> it just provides, wifi, bluetooth and batter right now
[02:07] <sivel> yeah, I actually removed and then re-added it
[02:08] <Ken8521> look in synaptic, and see if you have indicator-sound installed
[02:08] <histo> Has anyone used usb-creator-gtk in lucid?  System > Admin > startup disk
[02:08] <Ken8521> not yet
[02:09] <Maletor> Ken8521: i'm in low graphics mode and it can't find anything for me
[02:09] <sivel> Ken8521: no I don't have it installed
[02:09] <Blue11> no i cheated and took my usb dvd drive over to my netbook
[02:09] <Ken8521> sivel, i'd say thats probably your issue
[02:09] <sivel> yep
[02:09] <histo> I'm unable to select any of the persistent options
[02:09] <Ken8521> try installing it, then adding it back to panel again
[02:10] <histo> Looks like its all jacked right now.
[02:10] <sivel> strange that it didn't install during the upgrade
[02:10] <Ken8521> sivel, yeah.. i clean installed, and it was there, but you're right, that does seem odd
[02:10] <gartral> Blue11: heh. did it the SLOOOOOWW way, huh?
[02:11] <Volkodav> is medibuntu down for 2 days now ?
[02:11] <sivel> alright, well it's installed and working
[02:11] <_pg_> installing beta2 on VirtualBox (latest) on osx 10.6.3, the firefox logo is messed up. where should I report this? (if at all)
[02:11] <Ken8521> sivel, well sing the hallelujah chorus
[02:11] <Ken8521> lol
[02:11] <Blue11> gartral: I did it "the i know this will work" way
[02:11] <Loki> 31
[02:12] <johnjohn101> do you think my problem will be resolved in the rc?  I didnt have it with 9.10.
[02:13] <Maletor> How do I fix the error where jockey will not give me any drivers to activate?
[02:13] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, are you referring to during the install or after intall?
[02:13] <Ken8521> johnjohn101, i'd say that depennds on whether its an ubuntu problem, or if its a vmware problem... just because it wasn't there with 9.10, doesn't mean its an ubuntu problem when you upgraded
[02:14] <ZykoticK9> Volkodav, bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/565810 possible work-around at http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[02:15] <_pg_> ZykoticK9: during
[02:15] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, known bug - licensing issue with Firefox
[02:15] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, lol, added the link to the factoid, huh?
[02:15] <johnjohn101> ken8521: i'll guess i'll have to see if it's fixed in the rc.  is there a link to look up existing bugs?
[02:15] <_pg_> ZykoticK9: thanks! is it all over or only in VirtualBox? could you direct me to this bug
[02:15] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, is that what it is?.. i read it was a 'legal issue'.. but wasn't sure that was the real reason
[02:16] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, in #ubuntu+1 if you refer to a bug ubottu will automatically add stuff
[02:16] <Ken8521> oh really?.. clever
[02:16] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, all over
[02:16] <_pg_> ZykoticK9: where can I learn more?
[02:17] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, i don't know the background really (i hope it's not a legal thing - but have certainly not seen anything about that being the cause)
[02:17] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, it was in a link i saw earlier.. said it was a "legal issue"...
[02:17] <c0vert> that was unfortunate, tried to restart my laptop and it just hung...
[02:18] <d33d> hi, I need some help installing medibuntu repositories and gpg key to install the packages...can someone help?
[02:19] <Ken8521> d33d, http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[02:19] <Ken8521> d33d, use one of the mirrors, then to add the gpg key, use the instructions on the medibuntu site(just for the gpg key, nothing else)
[02:20] <_pg_> Ken8521: ZykoticK9 more info on the case of the missing firefox?
[02:20] <Ken8521> ?... i have no idea what you're talking about
[02:20] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, i'm trying to remember what the installer is called - i did file a bug about the missing firefox icon
[02:20] <_pg_> Ken8521: lol do you have any idea where I could find out more about the issue? (legal issue)
[02:21] <Ken8521> _pg_, no, i don't... i just read somewhere it was a legal issue, but there were no details
[02:21] <_pg_> Ken8521: ah-thanks anyway
[02:23] <Zelozelos> anyone here know how to make the cube's top and bottom transparent with advanced ccsm? it seems to have changed i also cant find the cube deform option?
[02:23] <Ken8521> _pg_, i suspect its like ZykoticK9 said earlier, its a disagreement between medibuntu and firefox... if you've used medibuntu before, then you probably don't really care about any "legal issues"..
[02:23] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, bug # 421864
[02:23] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, bug #421864
[02:24] <_pg_> Ken8521: what is medibuntu?
[02:24] <_pg_> ZykoticK9: thanks!
[02:24] <Ken8521> _pg_, medibuntu is a repository of some non-free stuff...
[02:24] <Ken8521> _pg_, http://www.medibuntu.org
[02:24] <Zelozelos> oh btw if anyone is still wondering about the recent updates, i updated today and sofar so good
[02:25] <Zelozelos> wasnt that you ZykoticK9 /
[02:25] <c0vert> updates seem fine for me too
[02:25] <Ken8521> all is well ehre also.
[02:26] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, not me
[02:26] <Zelozelos> ahh, guess it was that person who was having a issue with his ext4
[02:27] <Ken8521> ext4 issues?
[02:27] <Ken8521> must've missed that one
[02:27] <ZykoticK9> Zelozelos, nope certainly not me - haven't had any ext4 issues (knock on wood)
[02:27] <_pg_> i thought Firefox shared Ubuntu values (or similar)? why be snide about the logo if they are endorsing your product by including it in their distro?
[02:27] <Zelozelos> it was last night, i forget the user's name
[02:27] <d33d> Ken8521, thanks
[02:27] <d33d> whois KB1JWQ
[02:27] <Ken8521> d33d, np.
[02:28] <Pici> hes just some guy
[02:28] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, actually if you make any changes to firefox you aren't even allowed to call it firefox, in debian it's called something else - they are picky about there logs as well
[02:28] <c0vert> seamonkey?
[02:28] <AngryPunk__> iceweasle
[02:28] <ZykoticK9> s/logs/logos
[02:28] <Ken8521> chrome?
[02:28] <Pici> ZykoticK9: iceweasel
[02:28] <_pg_> ZykoticK9: hmm- the included version is unmodifed tho no?
[02:29] <c0vert> yeah, they don't want a lesser product using their logo, understandable
[02:29] <ZykoticK9> AngryPunk__, Pici FTW
[02:29] <Zelozelos> opera is working perfectly if u're lookin for a browser :)
[02:29] <_pg_> Zelozelos: Im trying, I just cannot get used to it
[02:29] <Ken8521> opera always causes my system resources to spike outta control
[02:30] <Zelozelos> i think you can get ie with wine
[02:30] <keyhive> Just installed Lucid and it won't boot into X - stuck on "* Checking battery state... [OK]" w/ Intel GMA 950 graphics
[02:30] <Maletor> I have NVIDIA driver 195.36.15 which I installed from the NVIDIA drivers download page. How do I use Jockey to install the Ubuntu supported drivers?
[02:30] <bjsnider> yes but opera is the best browser that uses the presto engine there is
[02:31] <Pici> keyhive: I just saw a suggestion to try to boot with "i915.modeset=1" on your kernel line
[02:31] <_pg_> Zelozelos: IE? shame on you
[02:31] <keyhive> Pici cool :) I'll try it
[02:31] <Zelozelos> i dont use it rofl
[02:31] <c0vert> firefox + adblock plus + noscript = the best browsing experience possible, in my opinion
[02:31] <homosaur> ie8 and upcoming 9 are fine, but pointless
[02:32] <_pg_> is "open autorun prompt" new? I like it. Alot
[02:32] <homosaur> it's like running wine so you can run windows notepad or solitaire
[02:32] <homosaur> plenty of good browsers for linux, so why bother
[02:33] <homosaur> chrome for linux is pretty dang good, although it doesn't use your gtk theme
[02:33] <Zelozelos> im having issues with flash and firefox, it wont play any vids
[02:33] <c0vert> 64bit by chance?
[02:33] <Zelozelos> c0vert if you're tkin 2 me yes
[02:34] <c0vert> i had trouble at first too, let me see if i can find the guide
[02:37] <c0vert> did you install flash? first of all lol
[02:37] <Zelozelos> yup
[02:37] <Ken8521> lol
[02:37] <Ken8521> step 1.. complete
[02:37] <Zelozelos> it works fine for opera, in firefox i have 2 click the area then it does nothing
[02:38] <vivid> is there a way for evolution to automatically notify me of new messages?
[02:39] <Zelozelos> vivid i remember seeing something like that but i cannot recall exactly what it was, i think it may be where you config the email addr
[02:39] <keyhive> editing /etc/default/grub - should i run update-grub or update-grub2 ?
[02:39] <vivid> Zelozelos, its set to check every minute, but i get no notification
[02:40] <_pg_> how long till the derivatives get to 10.4?
[02:40] <vivid> unless i leave the application running, seems a little silly to have it always open when theres a panel indicator for it..
[02:40] <Dr_Willis> keyhive:  alwyas rerun the commands. (either one) after altering the configs
[02:40] <c0vert> Zelozelos, i used this guide and my flash is working fine http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1358591
[02:40] <Zelozelos> thank you c0vert ill check it out
[02:41] <keyhive> Dr_Willis: so update-grub2 if i know it's GRUB2, correct?
[02:41] <Dr_Willis> keyhive:  check the files.. the 2 are the same command/script last i checked if you got grub2 installed.
[02:41] <Dr_Willis> i alwyas use 'update-grub'
[02:42] <keyhive> and your kernel line options are applied, even using GRUB2?
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> one actually calls the other. it dosent matter
[02:44] <Dr_Willis>  cat update-grub2   --
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> #!/bin/sh -e
[02:44] <Dr_Willis> exec update-grub "$@"
[02:44] <Maletor> Jockey is so messed.
[02:45] <keyhive> What kernel is Lucid using right now?
[02:45] <keyhive> 2.6.31-20 ?
[02:46] <c0vert> 2.6.31-21
[02:46] <c0vert> 32-21 sorry
[02:46] <_pg_> how long till the derivatives get to 10.4?
[02:46] <keyhive> thanks c0vert
[02:46] <keyhive> Just installed Lucid and it won't boot into X - stuck on "* Checking battery state... [OK]" w/ Intel GMA 950 graphics
[02:47] <keyhive> splash screen doesn't show up
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> Did you install from the latest daily build iso image?
[02:48] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, lol..
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> !schedule
[02:48] <Ken8521> i installed the daily build this morning, nvidia/jockey, etc.. is working fine
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> Yep. People still tend to use the Beta2 cd.. which is proberly not the best thing to do
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> RC due on the 22... Hmm..
[02:49] <Ken8521> yup.. i've tried o tell him multiple times to install the daily build, but... you can lead a horse to water, can't make him drink
[02:49] <keyhive> I type 'uname -a' and I see: 2.6.31-20 !! NOO  what failed during the upgrade from Karmic??
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> If you installed from Beta2. and it failed.. try the Daily Build cd image...
[02:50] <c0vert> i didn't use the daily build iso, and it still worked fine..lucky i guess
[02:50] <keyhive> The problem [I think] boils down to GRUB
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> theres proberly been.. like.. 700+MB of updates since beta2 here.
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> boot luve cd. chroot in, update/upgrade, try rebooting..
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> Or try to repair grub i guess..
[02:51] <keyhive> I did repair GRUB
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> but if you installed from Beta2 cd.. there will be several 100mb of updates to begin with.
[02:52] <keyhive> Okay, I'll try updating
[02:52] <keyhive> Still, this feels wrong
[02:52] <keyhive> It's using the wrong kernel
[02:52] <keyhive> :\
[02:52] <Dr_Willis>  2.6.32-21-generic is what i updated to this morning i think
[02:53] <Dr_Willis> theres been a kernel update about every other day i belive
[02:53] <bushbaby> When running update-manager -d to upgrade to 10.04 (from 9.10), update manager crashes but it doesn't crash fro any other upgrades or buttons. anyone go a solution?
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> Try gkudo update-manager -d  ?
[02:54] <Dr_Willis> bye all
[02:55] <_pg_> how long till the derivatives get to 10.4?
[02:57] <Zelozelos> c0vert, that did the trick thank you
[02:57] <c0vert> no problem
[02:57] <c0vert> it should be stickied in here i imagine a lot of people will be having the same issue :P
[02:58] <Zelozelos> very true, maybe someone should add a flash thingy to the bot
[02:59] <Zelozelos> actually they should make that the flash install for the software center, that way it works right in the 1st place ;)
[03:00] <bushbaby> Dr_Willis's instruction doesn't work, anyone else?
[03:02] <Zelozelos> bushbaby what was your issue again?
[03:03] <bushbaby> When running update-manager -d to upgrade to 10.04 (from 9.10), update manager crashes but it doesn't crash fro any other upgrades or buttons.
[03:03] <Zelozelos> ahh, well heres the best advice, DONT UPGRADE, move your files, install from disk-you'll get the best results that way
[03:04] <Zelozelos> the upgrade is very buggy to say the least, even if you get it to work you'll still probably have tons of issues
[03:05] <bushbaby> Zelozelos: Thanks. I did download the iso last night should this be the advice. Despite the official insistance that update-manager is the easiest way to betatest??
[03:05] <Maletor> Zelozelos: forget nvidia
[03:06] <Maletor> Jockey doesn't work still. How can 10.4 be ready for Apr 28
[03:06] <Zelozelos> bushbaby, most definitely think of it this way, to upgrade youll have 2 import all the settings which means they have 2 be translated to the newer version, think of all the settings that can get mis-translated ;)
[03:08] <Zelozelos> Maletor nvidea??
[03:09] <bushbaby> Zelozelos: Good point.
[03:11] <Maletor> Zelozelos ya
[03:12]  * Zelozelos is wondering why he was told to forget nvidea, since he dosent have that 
[03:12] <Zelozelos> heh, i finally got my docks set up the way i need, (so i no longer need desktop icons) and now i cant remember how to have a diff background for each workplace
[03:14] <bushbaby> Off to upgrade!
[03:14] <Zelozelos> good luck, you know what 2 do right?
[03:18] <Zelozelos> Heayyyy, itsa nota ddare any more, what happened to wallpaper in ccsm???
[03:20] <Zelozelos> well atleast i have xwinwrap still
[03:21] <rweait> what happened to libboost1.41?  I could install it in alpha2 but it isn't around now.
[03:23] <Zelozelos> rweait, does it show at all in the software center? i see something its a library for c++
[03:24] <rweait> aptitude install can't find it.
[03:24] <rweait> I think I've got all the repos activated.
[03:25] <Zelozelos> maybe you can get it from here (i have no idea even what it is though) http://www.boost.org/
[03:26] <lazyPower> Having interesting issues with Rhythmbox crashing on 10.04 x64, I am unable to locate the settings directory, nor am I able to trace why its crashing on start. Anybody else having issues or able to point me where i can clear a directory and force a release default config?
[03:26] <gartral> well... X is borked again!
[03:27] <c0vert> lazyPower, it's working fine for m
[03:27] <c0vert> me
[03:28] <Zelozelos> lazyPower, try sudo apt-get purge rythmbox that should remove the settings as well as the player
[03:28] <lazyPower> yeah, i figure its something i've changed.. the only thing i can identify as a change is unplugging my two extern hdd's and sharing them over samba from my server, and thats about the time it started crashing. thinking thats why its crashing on startup now.
[03:28] <lazyPower> ok. do a sudo-apt purge, and then re-install it?
[03:28] <Zelozelos> yup
[03:28] <lazyPower> because i dont want to move away from Rhythmbox.
[03:28] <lazyPower> k
[03:29] <_stryk3r> Why can't I run an .exe for wine? I get this error: The file '/home/kevin/Downloads/setup.exe' is not marked as executable. ...etcetc
[03:30] <lazyPower> _stink_, make sure its chmod 755
[03:30] <lazyPower> er
[03:30] <lazyPower> _stryk3r, even.
[03:30] <c0vert> +x
[03:30] <Zelozelos> _stryk3r,  right click, properties, permissions, click the box or executable
[03:30] <yofel> _stryk3r: 'chmod +x setup.exe'
[03:30] <Ken8521> surely an .exe wouldn't be set t root only?
[03:30] <lazyPower> thought i went owner, group, public
[03:30] <_stryk3r> thanks guys
[03:30] <lazyPower> not root, user, whatever.
[03:30] <Ken8521> ah ok.
[03:31] <yofel> Ken8521: no, it's probably '-rw-r--r-- user:user'
[03:32] <Zelozelos> any ideas on how i can get the backgrounds options back in ccsm?
[03:34] <gartral> well.. x isnt loading at boot.. just looping the ready jingle. quite irritating. >.>
[03:35] <c0vert> gartral, intel?
[03:36] <gartral> c0vert: intel cpu. i7 860. GPU is nvidia 275
[03:36] <c0vert> i'm jealous of your computer. so i'm not going to help :P
[03:36] <lazyPower> Interesting. the purge helped... until i clicked ont he missing files playlist
[03:37] <lazyPower> now its crashing right away again.
[03:37] <gartral> c0vert: ill give you a shell account :P
[03:37] <lazyPower> so its something to do with having missing files and its panicking
[03:37] <c0vert> purge again and delete the playlist :P
[03:38] <Zelozelos> hmmm. maybe you can purge it again, then goto the prefs, music tab, and remove the folders from those drives that way
[03:39] <Zelozelos> but, purge should have dissociated them in the 1st place, idk though
[03:40] <gartral> well.. x isnt loading at boot.. just looping the ready jingle. quite irritating. >.>
[03:40] <c0vert> gartral, how about some more info..
[03:40] <lazyPower> nah the config stayed persistent zelo
[03:40] <lazyPower> but i do agree, the purge should have gotten rid of them
[03:41] <gartral> c0vert: what ya need. im at a total loss
[03:41] <lazyPower> makes me wonder where its storing its info
[03:41] <un214> ok I think I can identify the cause of sound busted
[03:41] <Zelozelos> im thinkcin c0vert is right, right-click the playlist's associated with the drives and delete them, make sure you dont left click on them at all
[03:41] <un214> almost always, resume from hibernate = does not work until logout & log back in
[03:42] <lazyPower> lol
[03:42] <yofel> lazyPower: if it's user configuration it will not be touched by 'purge'
[03:42] <lazyPower> thats not a great solution zelo
[03:42] <c0vert> gartral,  can you get to a terminal?
[03:42] <un214> not quite always however
[03:42] <lazyPower> yofel: where does Rhythmbox store its data then?
[03:42] <yofel> no idea
[03:42] <lazyPower> its not in ~/.config, or ~/.gnome2
[03:42] <_pg_> where is the option to disable requiring password input on awaking form display sleep
[03:42] <lazyPower> so idk where it could be.
[03:42] <lazyPower> _pg_, Preferences -> Screensaver
[03:42] <_pg_> also, any word on how long rythmbox support of iPhone will last?
[03:43] <_pg_> lazyPower: thank you
[03:43] <lazyPower> i do what i can
[03:43] <c0vert> ~/.gnome2/rhythmbox/playlists.xml ?
[03:43] <gartral> c0vert: how we're talking now, netroot failsafe works, trying to start x, fails, i know the system works aside from graphical. and all my logs appear blanks
[03:43] <lazyPower> No rhythmbox directory
[03:43] <Roasted> does anybody know if theres a way I can change how dark the panel is with the ambiance theme? Or perhaps a user-made theme that has a darker top panel?
[03:44] <c0vert> gartral, did you upgrade or do a fresh install?
[03:44] <lazyPower> Roasted, right click, properties, background, modify as required
[03:44] <Zelozelos> look in usr/share/rythmbox or around there i guess
[03:44] <gartral> c0vert: did an upgrade from a 100% clean jaunty
[03:45] <lazyPower> Roasted, beyond that, you'll have to do some GTK theme modifications.
[03:45] <Roasted> lazyPower, doesnt work. That only changes the empty panel area. I want the ENTIRE thing changed. The top bar to EACH window. The entire top panel. The background of the menus, etc.
[03:45] <c0vert> gartral, \seems people upgrading are having issues..i'd try a fresh install
[03:45] <lazyPower> Roasted, then you'll have to modify your GTK theme.
[03:45] <Roasted> lazyPower, I guess I want the text to "pop" out at you more, whcih a darker gray would be nice.
[03:45] <Roasted> lazyPower, how would I go about doing that exactly?
[03:46] <gartral> c0vert: is there any other way. i literally JUST got the system working the way i wanted
[03:46] <Ken8521> roasted, how much lighter do you want it?
[03:46] <Roasted> Ken8521, well I'd like the gray to be darker, more like the popular moomex theme.
[03:46] <lazyPower> Roasted, http://forum.xfce.org/index.php?topic=5326.0
[03:46] <STiK> Should there be an ubuntu one notification icon when sync is in progress?
[03:46] <Roasted> Ken8521, from there Ill see how the text is... if its more easily readable, we hav ea winner. But it might be an idea to try and whiten the text more too.
[03:46] <Ken8521> Roasted, here's what i usually do, when i want to change the panel color(w/o doing heavy theming)
[03:46] <Zelozelos> there is a theme editor, i cant remember what its called, but it lets you edit/make new themes
[03:46] <c0vert> gartral, right after you make it perfect is a very bad time to update lol...unless you find something on google i'd sugguest a clean install
[03:47] <Ken8521> Roasted, in panel properties, click the background tab, then click solid color, and run "style" all the way to opague(this will likely make it white), then click color, and use the wheel to try and get the color you want... use trial and error to get your color
[03:47] <thiebaude> hi ken8521 i finally decided to go with 10.04 by itself on this computer and its awesome, except for the shutdown bug
[03:48] <gartral> c0vert: cant get into X x.x
[03:48] <Ken8521> thiebaude, i've not had that problem?.. shut down but?
[03:48] <c0vert> thiebaude, you have the shutdown bug as well? my laptop is doing it too
[03:48] <thiebaude> bug 552316
[03:48] <thiebaude> instead of shutting down it restarts
[03:48] <c0vert> oh mine is different, i try to restart and it just hangs :/
[03:48] <Ken8521> hmm, i shut down my PC just a bit ago, no problem
[03:48] <Roasted> Ken8521, that doesnt work, though. that only does the empty area of the panel. I want the ENTIRE panel, the entire menu, etc.
[03:49] <thiebaude> c0vert, you have amd and nvidia?
[03:49] <Ken8521> Roasted, hmm, guess i never noticed that. you'll have to theme it
[03:49] <iconmefisto> when I try switching to a VT, I get a blank screen with blinking cursor. any ideas?
[03:49] <c0vert> thiebaude, amd64bit but ati graphics..
[03:49] <Roasted> Ken8521, but how would I do that?
[03:49] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[03:49] <Ken8521> Roasted, but honestly, i don't know... when i do that, it changes the whole color for me
[03:50] <thiebaude> could it just be amd processors seen another amd computer in launchpad with my bug
[03:50] <Ken8521> thiebaude, well, also.. i use the "shut down" button in my panel.. always have, always will.. i don't use the one Ubuntu puts there by default
[03:50] <Roasted> Ken8521, you mean when you change the background color, it changes the ENTIRE menu background and everything? Like if you hit applications, the background color there changes accordingly as well?????
[03:50] <thiebaude> i do to Ken8521 but it restarts,lol
[03:51] <Ken8521> no, not the menu background.
[03:51] <Ken8521> i was just talking about the panel
[03:51] <thiebaude> i have to turn the power strip off to shut down and the computer is not liking that
[03:51] <Ken8521> you said you wanted the panel changed, didn't say anything about the menu
[03:51] <thiebaude> ok Ken8521
[03:51] <Ken8521> thiebaude, hmm, lemme check my PC.. i installed the daily build on it today, and i'm sure it shut down ok..
[03:52] <thiebaude> ok
[03:52] <thiebaude> thanks
[03:53] <Roasted> Ken8521, when you change it, do you get EVERYTHING or just the top panel? Because not even the entire top panel changes... for example, where apps/places/system is, the clock, etc... those areas dont change.
[03:53] <c0vert> i guess i'll try it too since i have nothing better to do lol
[03:53] <gartral> c0vert: we were cut short, i was saying that i had 10.04 up and running fine, havd updated several times
[03:53] <Ken8521> thiebaude, yup, my PC shuts down fine using the shut down panel applet
[03:54] <thiebaude> ok i'll try again then
[03:55] <c0vert> shutdown worked fine here..
[03:56] <gartral> c0vert: we were cut short, i was saying that i had 10.04 up and running fine, havd updated several times
[03:56] <c0vert> so what was the problem?
[03:56] <c0vert> or it started after updating
[03:57] <thiebaude> Ken8521, it still does the samething as before
[03:58] <gartral> c0vert: right, it started after i had 10.04 update last
[03:59] <Ken8521> c0vert, it worked fine for me in beta1.. i think its cuz people are using the one that is by their name.. not really sure on that one
[03:59] <Ken8521> thiebaude, i honestly can't explain that.
[03:59] <c0vert> i always use the gnome one by my name..
[03:59] <thiebaude> yea they are working on it anyway, hope they fix it, dont seem many ppl have that bug
[03:59] <Ken8521> c0vert, hmm, i never do.. i always add the shutdown applet, and it works fine.
[04:00] <Ken8521> thiebaude,  any idea what is causing it?
[04:00] <thiebaude> i want to say plymouth, i cant prove it
[04:00] <thiebaude> been using since 6.06 and never had a shutdown problem
[04:00] <c0vert> gartral, so you can get in to a terminal? or no
[04:00] <Ken8521> plymouth.. lol, poor thing is gonna be the second gunman on the grassy knoll by the time beta is over
[04:01] <gartral> c0vert: yes, i have full vt
[04:01] <thiebaude> and you know what it means if they dont fix it
[04:01] <c0vert> have you tried running aptitude to see if there's any updates since it messed up?
[04:01] <thiebaude> for me
[04:01] <Ken8521> thiebaude, did you install beta 2, or did you install the daily build?
[04:01] <gartral> covert, not in 3 hours
[04:02] <c0vert> oh that's all..probably not then
[04:02] <thiebaude> i installed beta 2 from the april 8th cd
[04:02] <Ken8521> hmm, are youup to date?
[04:02] <c0vert> i'm trying to think of what came in that lastest update..there was quite a few
[04:02] <gartral> c0vert: i forgot too mention this happened late last week as well
[04:03] <thiebaude> yes i got all updates as of now, every once in awhile i check them
[04:04] <iconmefisto> when I try switching to a VT, I get a blank screen with blinking cursor. any ideas?
[04:04] <Ken8521> thiebaude, open a terminal and copy paste this line...  sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[04:04] <Ken8521> see if it tells you you need anything
[04:04] <thiebaude> ok i will
[04:04] <c0vert> gartral, try using aptitude to reinstall your video card drivers maybe?
[04:05] <gartral> c0vert: will do
[04:06] <thiebaude> it says nothing to be updated or upgraded
[04:06] <Ken8521> looks like another lucid repo is down
[04:06] <Ken8521> thiebaude, hmm, well, i'm out of ideas.
[04:06] <Ken8521> can you shut down via command line till it gets fixed?
[04:07] <thiebaude> i just keep waiting for an update to fix it hopefully
[04:07] <thiebaude> whats the command?
[04:07] <Ken8521> hang on, lemme find it
[04:07] <thiebaude> ok
[04:07] <c0vert> shutdown -H ?
[04:07] <Ken8521> c0vert, i think so....
[04:07] <Ken8521> thiebaude, try shutdown -h
[04:08] <thiebaude> ok i'll try and see what happens brb thanks
[04:08] <c0vert> try -v it if still happens and see what errors popup
[04:08] <thiebaude> time expected
[04:09] <Ken8521> thiebaude, try shutdown -h now
[04:09] <thiebaude> ok
[04:09] <Ken8521> lol
[04:09] <iconmefisto> I think you need sudo with the shutdown command
[04:09] <Ken8521> guess it worked
[04:09] <Ken8521> no, don't think so
[04:10] <Ken8521> woops, maybe you do
[04:10] <c0vert> it would be quite a pain if it let you do it without superuser privileges
[04:11] <c0vert> considering letting someone have a shell
[04:11] <Ken8521> c0vert, well, thats true
[04:11] <Ken8521> didn't really think of it like that
[04:11] <c0vert> i come from slackware :P makes you think of that kind of stuff sometimes
[04:11] <Ken8521> lol
[04:14] <Ken8521> woops
[04:14] <Ken8521> got a little overzealous playing w/ the shutdown button
[04:14] <c0vert> Billtoo, markham?
[04:20] <Ken8521> i just told thiebaud to try sudo poweroff  to see if that fixes the shutdown prob
[04:20] <Ken8521> it shut me down..
[04:20] <c0vert> haha
[04:20] <thiebaude> Ken8521, it still restarts
[04:20] <Ken8521> wtf?
[04:21] <Ken8521> you have a demon in your computer, i suggest a priest, goat blood, and a shotgun(for when the other two fail)
[04:21] <thiebaude> hahhaaha
[04:21] <Ken8521> i really don't understand it.
[04:21] <Ken8521> whats that bug number again?
[04:21] <thiebaude> i dont either
[04:22] <thiebaude> bug 552316
[04:22] <Ken8521> i mena, yu would think poweroff would do it
[04:22] <thiebaude> yep
[04:22] <_pg_> cant get past 13XX by 7xx in a Virtual Machine in VirtualBox, native is 1440x900. installed all updates and Vbox addons. any ideas?
[04:23] <thiebaude> tonight i will get to the log in screen and do a ctrl alt f2 and keep it thier until the morning, Ken8521
[04:23] <thiebaude> i mean log out
[04:24] <Ken8521> hmm.
[04:24] <Ken8521> just very strange
[04:24] <thiebaude> i want it to use the least resouces when im gone
[04:24] <Ken8521> yea
[04:25] <peepsalot> is sun-java not available in lucid at the moment?  aptitude is telling me "no candidate version found"
[04:25] <Ken8521> peepsalot, should be.. i used it to install frostwire this morning
[04:25] <Ken8521> i think the package names changed a bit.
[04:26] <thiebaude> when its off for 8hrs or so when i start it up the hard drive spins up lus then quiets after a few minutes
[04:26] <thiebaude> Ken8521,
[04:26] <_pg_> nvm-got it
[04:26] <thiebaude> loud
[04:26] <Ken8521> hmm.
[04:26] <thiebaude> yea im not liking that
[04:26] <Ken8521> what kind of pc is this again?
[04:26] <thiebaude> computer is about 4 month old had it built for me
[04:26] <_pg_> ok, i get native res for login screen and thats it
[04:27] <thiebaude> had it built for me
[04:27] <Ken8521> well there you go, its the builders fault.
[04:27] <Ken8521> geez...lol
[04:27] <thiebaude> 4 months or so ago
[04:27] <thiebaude> haha
[04:27] <_pg_> nevermind. im retarded x2
[04:27] <Ken8521> i always build my own...
[04:27] <thiebaude> i told him what i wanted in it,lol
[04:27] <Ken8521> eh, he'll ust blame it on you then.
[04:28] <thiebaude> lol
[04:28] <peepsalot> Ken8521, i'm trying to get java applet plugin support for firefox, do you know what package i need?  searching java and plugin are not turning up what I expect
[04:28] <thiebaude> but the good thing is the developers are working on it
[04:28] <Ken8521> should've tried to install the daily build, see if that would have fixed the shutdown prob..
[04:28] <Ken8521> yea
[04:28] <c0vert> thiebaude, i wonder if you boot into failsafe or just a terminal instead of gnome and try the shutdown command if it will work
[04:29] <thiebaude> i will try
[04:29] <Ken8521> peepsalot, looks like sun-java6-plugin on my system
[04:29] <thiebaude> that
[04:29] <c0vert> since it seems to be an nvidia thing
[04:29] <Ken8521> c0vert, good thinking
[04:29] <Ken8521> but my PC has Nvidia, and it shuts down fine
[04:29] <thiebaude> i wonder also amd
[04:29] <Ken8521> my pc has AMD to.
[04:29] <Ken8521> lol
[04:29] <c0vert> lol
[04:29] <d33d> looking for an awesome application to install.
[04:30] <Ken8521> d33d, well... to do what?
[04:30] <peepsalot> Ken8521, you are looking on a lucid install?  that package does not exist for me
[04:30] <thiebaude> ok
[04:30] <thiebaude> haha
[04:30] <Ken8521> peepsalot, yes.. you have a source issue if its not there for you
[04:30] <d33d> Ken8521, not sure... to just enjoy i guess.
[04:30] <peepsalot> Ken8521, is there a way you can tell which repo it is coming from?
[04:30] <c0vert> sun-java6-jre
[04:31] <c0vert> ... it's there
[04:31] <Ken8521> c0vert, i have sun-java6-plugin
[04:31] <Ken8521> if he searches for sun-java6, it should show up
[04:31] <c0vert> type aptitude search sun-java
[04:31] <peepsalot> c0vert,  that package shows in the list, but attempting install gives me: "No candidate version found for sun-java6-jre"
[04:31] <c0vert> for sure comes up
[04:32] <c0vert> let me try
[04:32] <c0vert> worked fine from command line
[04:32] <peepsalot> man, what is up with my syste,
[04:32] <peepsalot> system
[04:32] <c0vert> you trying from command line?
[04:33] <peepsalot> yes
[04:33] <Ken8521> i'm getting some apt-get update errors.. looks like a efw repos are down
[04:33] <peepsalot> i upgraded from karmic instead of a fresh install, so maybe something wrong happened with that?  did you guys do a fresh install?
[04:33] <c0vert> peepsalot,  have you changed your repo's ?
[04:34] <Ken8521> i think thiebaud might have finally been able to shutdown
[04:35] <peepsalot> c0vert, the upgrade appears to have automatically changed them to lucid
[04:35] <Ken8521> !info sun-java6-plugin
[04:35] <Ken8521> hmmm
[04:35] <c0vert> !info sun-java6-jre
[04:35] <peepsalot> finally validation ;-)
[04:35] <c0vert> i just installed it...
[04:35] <c0vert> wtf
[04:36] <Ken8521> c0vert, thats what i was thinking..lol
[04:36] <Ken8521> that has to be a bot error.
[04:36] <Ken8521> cuz i'm looking at synaptic right now, its installe don my system
[04:36] <peepsalot> do you have proposed and backports enabled?  that is the really only thing i can see that is not enabled in my software sources
[04:37] <Ken8521> peepsalot, lol, well then enable them
[04:37] <Ken8521> actuall no
[04:37] <Ken8521> thats for updates and what not
[04:37] <Ken8521> no, i don't have them enabled
[04:37] <c0vert> peepsalot, http://pastebin.ca/1868994 thats my sources..make sure its the same then run sudo aptitude update
[04:37] <c0vert> then try again
[04:37] <c0vert> i haven't altered them at all
[04:38] <_pg_> how to change username ?
[04:38] <Ken8521> _pg_, on ubuntu or here on IRC?
[04:38] <c0vert> _pg_, system>admin> users and groups
[04:38] <Ken8521> c0vert, will it let you change a username from there?... i was thinking that had to be done from recovery mode
[04:39] <_pg_> c0vert: im in there-i changed it but it still says the old one in the menubar,
[04:39] <c0vert> never tried lol
[04:39] <_pg_> Ken8521: ubuntu
[04:39] <c0vert> probably have tp restart gnome
[04:39] <_pg_> i did
[04:39] <_pg_> lol
[04:39] <thiebaude> Ken8521, that did not work either:(
[04:39] <Ken8521> come on thiebaude we're waiting w/ baited breath to hear if that worked
[04:39] <_pg_> In "user settings:" it says my new one really big and bold and then the old one underneath it italiscised
[04:39] <thiebaude> lol
[04:40] <thiebaude> fail
[04:40] <Ken8521> that is the strangest thing
[04:40] <c0vert> your prob just changed the name not the login
[04:41] <c0vert> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=877246 i guess
[04:41] <_pg_> when Iog in the username is correct
[04:41] <peepsalot> c0vert, files are pretty much identical except you have canadian and i have us servers
[04:41] <_pg_> but in the menubar where all the new social stuff is it is wrong
[04:41] <c0vert> peepsalot, try the update command maybe?
[04:41] <Ken8521> so just create a new user and delete the old one?
[04:42] <Ken8521> brb
[04:42] <thiebaude> ok
[04:42] <c0vert> thiebaude,  how'd that go
[04:42] <peepsalot> c0vert,  i just updated minutes ago
[04:42] <thiebaude> it didn't work
[04:43] <thiebaude> it just restarted
[04:44] <_pg_> in software sources, multiverse is checked, but web browsers is still bare, no chrome, no opera, do I have to go get these debs or is there a way to get ubuntu software center to find them?
[04:45] <c0vert> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1406969 here you go peepsalot kind of explains it..doesn't explain why i have it though?
[04:45] <Ken8521> opera, you have to download the .deb
[04:45] <Ken8521> _pg_, chrome.. i believe google has a repository for it
[04:45] <_pg_> Ken8521: isnt this the point of the software center? to not have to go hunting your familiar applications?
[04:46] <Ken8521> _pg_, yes, but ubuntu doesn't put some things in the repositories for legal reasons(thus why there are third party repos)
[04:46] <_pg_> Ken8521: i know, i know, but just having a button, "enable 3rd party software" click agree. everyones happy. right? haha
[04:47] <Ken8521> _pg_, everybody except the third party software maintainer
[04:47] <Ken8521> and unfortunately, they are the one that matters
[04:47] <_pg_> Ken8521: do they not want linux users?
[04:47] <ZykoticK9> _pg_, chromium the opensource basis of chrome is in the repo
[04:48] <Ken8521> _pg_, i don't think its that, if they didn't want linux users, they wouldnt even port their apps to linux
[04:48] <peepsalot> openjdk/icedtea is garbage, it has never worked right
[04:48] <Ken8521> peepsalot, ar eyouu using 64bit?
[04:48] <ZykoticK9> peepsalot, add the partner repo and add sun-java then
[04:48] <peepsalot> not on this computer
[04:49] <c0vert> maybe they left the packages because we're on 64bit..
[04:49] <_pg_> Ken8521: still lame, the ubuntu software center has gotten sweet tho-in 10.4. featured applications, new menu system
[04:49] <_pg_> very cool
[04:49] <Ken8521> _pg_, lame maybe, complain to the software manufacturers... it's like complaining to ubuntu because some hardware devices don't have drivers
[04:50] <_pg_> Ken8521: i see-
[04:51] <Guest51203> How to set to show icons in menus?
[04:51] <c0vert> icons do show in the menus already?
[04:52] <Ken8521> c0vert, he means the places/system menu.. you have to do it via gconf-editor
[04:52] <ZykoticK9> Guest51203, gconftool-2 -s /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons --type boolean true
[04:52] <Guest51203> ZykoticK9, Ken8521 c0vert tnx :)
[04:52] <Ken8521> i always use the GUI way, but it looks like that accomplished the same thing
[04:53] <Guest51203> Ken8521, How to do it in GUI?
[04:53] <c0vert> want a real task, try adding icons to the fluxbox menu..that used to be a fun task
[04:53] <ZykoticK9> Guest51203, gconf-editor and use the path /desktop/gnome/...
[04:53] <Guest51203> ZykoticK9, I guessed! Thank you...
[04:54] <Guest51203> ZykoticK9, In karmic, it was in a tab in the appearance preference window.
[04:55] <Ken8521> Guest51203, yeah, this was just another way of canonical thumbing their nose at us.. "YOU WILL HAVE A DESKTOP THE WAY WE TELL YOU, SERFS"
[04:55] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, actually that was a Gnome decision
[04:55] <Ken8521> actually, i think it was gnome more than ubuntu.
[04:55] <Guest51203> Ken8521, Exactly
[04:55] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, yeah, it was... but i'm a drama llama
[04:56] <ZykoticK9> xulrunner-1.9.1 package FINALLY ready -- gnome-shell is installable again :)
[04:57] <_pg_> is there a way to get gwibber to hide on screen edges like adium?
[04:58] <_pg_> err empathy rather
[04:59] <Ken8521> _pg_, yeah, uninstall it and install pidgin...lol
[04:59] <Ken8521> i swear, empathy is horrible
[05:00] <LSD|Ninja> I don't mind empathy, but it could have used a bit more time to mature before being thrown into the mainstream
[05:01] <_pg_> i just assume the included is best
[05:01] <_pg_> that would make sense no?
[05:01] <Ken8521> _pg_, not necessarily
[05:02] <_pg_> Ken8521: were there legal issues :P
[05:02] <Ken8521> i find brasero completely horrible and unusable... it's one of the first apps i remove, and i install gnomebaker
[05:02] <Ken8521> lol
[05:02] <Ken8521> no
[05:02] <_pg_> or perhaps empathy is a core value of Ubuntu so pidgin got picked last
[05:03] <Ken8521> _pg_, what i read(don't know how true it is), ubuntu was unhappy w/ pidgin progress on getting voice/video chat across different protcols, so they threw their weight behind gnome's empathy
[05:03] <_pg_> and whiskey tango foxtrot is up with empathy, I get a growl notification, and i try to click on it so it can take me to the chat, and it disappears when I hover.
[05:04] <_pg_> *spoons out eyeballs*
[05:04] <_pg_> \
[05:04] <jjcv> Has anyone experiencing crashes with glabel?
[05:05] <Ken8521> _pg_, are you using empathy for irc?
[05:05] <LuckySMack> hrmm, i upgraded my local machine to lucid which has php 5.3, but everyone and I need 5.2.x still. Is there anyway to uninstall 5.3 and lock the version to the latest 5.2.x version so i have the needed 5.2.x packages instead??
[05:06] <_pg_> Ken8521: no-colloquoy
[05:06] <LuckySMack> also my web server uses 5.2.x so i want to keep the same verison as the production machine
[05:06] <Ken8521> hmm, never heard of that one
[05:06] <_pg_> Ken8521: on OSX
[05:06] <Ken8521> why would you upgrade a production machine to a beta OS
[05:06] <Ken8521> _pg_, oh, you're not using ubuntu?
[05:07] <_pg_> Ken8521: i am, on a VM in virtualbox
[05:07] <Ken8521> oh ok
[05:07] <_pg_> Ken8521: on my mac
[05:07] <LuckySMack> no i dont want to upgrade my prod server to beta OS. i mean it has php 5.2 so i want to keep my local machine on 5.2 as well. so how can i degrade lucid php to 5.2.
[05:10] <iconmefisto> I get no tty's at all. just a blank screen and blinking cursor
[05:14] <iconmefisto> if I do sudo start tty1 I get a tty on ctrl-alt-F1. how is upstart supposed to start the tty's?
[05:15] <atrus> iconmefisto: /etc/init/tty[1-6].conf should handle that.
[05:16] <iconmefisto> atrus: and runlevel 2 is normal runlevel for ubuntu, right?
[05:16] <atrus> yeah
[05:16] <ZykoticK9> !runlevels
[05:32] <VinceN> Having a major issue with Lucid and i'm in a panic because i'm about to leave on a trip. My Network Menu has dissapeared
[05:33] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, does running "nm-applet" return it?
[05:33] <VinceN> ZykoticK9 : Not sure, let me check
[05:33] <VinceN> I wasn't sure that was the name for it
[05:33] <VinceN> Negative
[05:34] <VinceN> An instance of nm-applet is already running.
[05:34] <VinceN> ** (nm-applet:1982): WARNING **: <WARN>  constructor(): Couldn't initialize the D-Bus manager.
[05:34] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, did this happen after a kernel update?
[05:34] <VinceN> ZykoticK9, No, I have not updated it since installing yesterday unless the updates are automatic now
[05:34] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, not automatic no
[05:35] <VinceN> Currently running Kernel 2.6.32-21-generic
[05:35] <orospakr> Hello!  I notice that the "MeMenu" indicator does not appear to support custom statuses, as it does in the spec.  This is a little troublesome, because I have to specifically avoid clicking on it to avoid squishing my current Empathy custom status.
[05:37] <VinceN> Please forgive what i'm sure is a newb question but how would I compleatly kill the nm-applet and reinitialize it?  I've tried restarting the PC but that didn't do anything i'm hoping doing it from the TERMINAL might yeild better results
[05:37] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, "killall nm-applet" then run nm-applet
[05:39] <VinceN> Ok
[05:39] <VinceN> Shutting down nm-applet killed the network connection
[05:39] <VinceN> SO obviosly its still working its just not showing up in the Notification Area for some odd reason
[05:40] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, sorry my bad - didn't actually think about that...
[05:40] <VinceN> No worries
[05:40] <VinceN> So what can I do about this?  I LOVE lucid and really don't want to have to reinstall 9.10 before I leave
[05:40] <orospakr> VinceN, remember that networkmanager is a background process running as root, and nm-applet is merely a frontend.
[05:41] <VinceN> Epecialy since i'd have to rehack a bunch of stuff that just works in Lucid
[05:42] <VinceN> orospaker: Correct and the NetworkManager itself appears to be functioning correctly as my network still works fine. But the menu that allows to me configure the connection is gone.  It's not a huge deal right now as i'm at home and its already set up to my home wireless network but  I'll need that once I go out of town.
[05:43] <orospakr> VinceN, just starting up a fresh nm-applet process wasn't enough?
[05:43] <lucas-arg-brb> is there any app for desktop changing besides drapes?
[05:43] <VinceN> orospaker,  No  It came back up and generated a message in the terminal, the network also came back online, however the icon is still not present
[05:44] <oneirosFade> Morning all
[05:45] <jjcv> VinceN:  You can run System|Preference network connection at any time to make changes etc.
[05:45] <Ken8521> mornin.
[05:46] <VinceN> aCK
[05:46] <VinceN> Sorry
[05:46] <VinceN> I was trying to copy the message from the terminal and killed NM-applet agian
[05:46] <VinceN> This is what I get when I restart nm-applet
[05:46] <VinceN> vince@Dynamas:~$ nm-applet
[05:46] <VinceN> ** (nm-applet:2024): DEBUG: old state indicates that this was not a disconnect 0
[05:46] <VinceN> ** (nm-applet:2024): DEBUG: foo_client_state_changed_cb
[05:46] <VinceN> ** (nm-applet:2024): DEBUG: foo_client_state_changed_cb
[05:47] <oneirosFade> What would cause my mouse cursor theme to show up sometimes, and most times, just be the black-with-white-borders?
[05:48] <VinceN> So I have no idea what to do with this or how to even approach it
[05:48] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, compiz
[05:48] <oneirosFade> ZykoticK9:  Does Compiz have a cursor setting dialog?
[05:49] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, no - but it CAN interfere with gnome's cursor theme,
[05:49] <oneirosFade> Ah
[05:50] <oneirosFade> I'd be safe to remove compiz though, right?
[05:50] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, i wouldn't remove it no - just disable it / don't use it
[05:50] <oneirosFade> How do I do that again?  Disabling it, that is
[05:50] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, i'm sure some of compiz is part of ubuntu-desktop
[05:51] <ZykoticK9> oneirosFade, system/prefs/appearance - Visual Effects tab - none
[05:51] <crucialhoax> I like the icons so far, but is it possible to keep all the default icons except applications, and categories?
[05:53] <VinceN> So does anyone have any idea's on what I can do with this silly applet or am I going to have to downgrade back to 9.10 until they sort this?
[05:54] <crucialhoax> VinceN: What silly applet?
[05:55] <hypnosis> whenever I select text and copy my keyboard freezes, help please
[05:55] <VinceN> crucialhoax: nm-applet
[05:55] <hypnosis> is this common behavior?
[05:55] <Ken8521> VinceN, not sure i'd call it silly, but just uninstall.
[05:56] <VinceN> I
[05:56] <VinceN> crucialhoax: The Network Menu is gone and I can't bring it back, No big deal right now but if I take this laptop anywhere I need to be able to select from networks
[05:56] <BPower> Hey all. How do I get hibernate to actually work...?  Currently hibernate just initiates the process but then I get the (GUI) login prompt (after a minute or so)
[05:57] <oneirosFade> VinceN: The tray app, is what you're talking about?
[05:57] <ZykoticK9> BPower, is your swap 2x your ram?
[05:58] <VinceN> oneirosFade: Up in the menu bar at top next to your sound icon is the icon to select wireless networks
[05:58] <VinceN> That is gone
[05:58] <BPower> ZykoticK9, How can I find my swap size?
[05:58] <crucialhoax> VinceN: Indicator applet
[05:58] <jjcv> VinceN:  You can run System|Preference network connection at any time to make changes etc.
[05:58] <oneirosFade> VinceN: You could install Wicd
[05:58] <BPower> ZykoticK9, I'm looking at Disk Usage Analyzer but I don't see it
[05:58] <ZykoticK9> BPower, free in a terminal will show you
[05:59] <VinceN> crucialhoax: Yes and no, It's displayed IN the indicator applet.  The indicator applet itself is still there
[05:59] <VinceN> Would it help if I took a screenshot?
[05:59] <crucialhoax> VinceN: Ohh ok, I gotcha.
[05:59] <crucialhoax> VinceN: No, that is not needed. I understand.
[05:59] <Ken8521> VinceN, i don't think so..
[05:59] <BPower> ZykoticK9, http://nathanbrauer.pastebin.com/cX56iJsW
[06:00] <Ken8521> network applet, is not part of indicator applet
[06:00] <Ken8521> it's part of notification area
[06:00] <ZykoticK9> BPower, actually your memory and swap are almost the same 3096384 to 4805624 < this *MIGHT* be the problem, but no guarantee
[06:01] <VinceN> I'll BRB, Im wondering if another applet I have up there is conflicting
[06:01] <crucialhoax> VinceN: Have you tried typing `nm-applet` in a term.
[06:01] <VinceN> Need to restart
[06:01] <VinceN> crucialhoax: Yes, It says its already running
[06:01] <VinceN> Killing it will kill my netowkr connection but restoring it does not bring the icon back
[06:01] <crucialhoax> then do a `sudo restart gdm`
[06:01] <BPower> ZykoticK9, so how can I change it?
[06:02] <ZykoticK9> BPower, non-trivial, i don't know the answer to that (deals with partitioning sorta thing, actually there is some way to create a swap file i believe but I don't know how)  Good luck man.
[06:02] <Ken8521> BPower, how much disk space do you have for ubuntu?
[06:03] <Ken8521> most pc's, don't need a swap space.. it's good to have just in case, but if you've got a 1gig of ram, and at least 10gigs or so of space for ubuntu, you shouldn't ever be touching swap
[06:03] <BPower> ZykoticK9, thanks :) | Ken8521: I believe I have 100GB hard drive and 90GB free
[06:04] <Ken8521> BPower, i understand that, is that whole 90gigs for Ubuntu, or do you have a 5gig partition for ubuntu?
[06:04] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, BPower is having a hybernate issue - and RAM and Swap are almost equal
[06:04] <crucialhoax> I like the icons so far, but is it possible to keep all the default icons except applications, and categories? I have an icon theme I just do not know how to edit it so I only get the application icons
[06:04] <Ken8521> i dunno, i've never touched my swap when i hibernate
[06:05] <BPower> Ken8521, I have windows installed on a completely different hard drive; I formatted this hard drive (the one in question) by the Ubuntu installer so I would assume that the entire thing is Ubuntu.
[06:05] <Ken8521> BPower, ok,
[06:06] <Ken8521> BPower, my point was, how big the drive is, is irrelevant if you've only given ubuntu a few gigs.
[06:06] <BPower> Ken8521, ya. It has the whole thing :)
[06:07] <ZykoticK9> BPower, https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq says that swap partition (file won't work) need only be as large as RAM and your's is i believe so perhaps this is NOT the issue?
[06:08] <VinceN> Ok i'm back
[06:08] <VinceN> Still stuck
[06:08] <BPower> Ken8521, any ideas on fixing my hibernate issue? ZykoticK9, interesting. plus the swap isn't even being used right now... I would assume if swap was used, it would simply copy the memory over to the swap, so there's plenty of room for that
[06:08] <BPower> ** if swap was used for hibernating
[06:09] <ZykoticK9> BPower, according to the swapfaq above it certainly is
[06:09] <Ken8521> BPower, not really, i don't have any hibernation issues, but I know some pc's/laptops do..
[06:10] <BPower> Ken8521, thanks.  If "Disk Usage Analyzer" states that the "Total filesystem capacity" is 100%, that basically means that Ubuntu has access to the entire hard drive right?
[06:11] <BPower> And "filesystem usage" just means, "current storage usage"?
[06:11] <VinceN> Heres a example of my issue
[06:11] <VinceN> http://img688.imageshack.us/img688/1550/screenshoten.png
[06:12] <Ken8521> BPower, i would think so.
[06:12] <VinceN> The sound Icon and Chat/Email/Whatever icon are there, but not the network icon
[06:12] <BPower> Ken8521, ok cool.  Thanks again. I've got to run so I guess I'll try to sort out this hibernate issue later.  Thanks also to ZykoticK9 :)
[06:12] <BPower> Peace!
[06:13] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, you do have Notification Area enabled for panel as well right?
[06:13] <VinceN> ZykoticK9 Not sure I understand what you mean
[06:13] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, add to panel "notification area"
[06:14] <VinceN> ZykoticK9: THERE IT IS!
[06:14] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, :)
[06:14] <VinceN> ZykoticK9: Now how the heck did that get removed from the panel I wonder.
[06:14] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, sometime a picture really is worth a thousand words
[06:15] <hypnosis> whenever I select text and copy my keyboard freezes, help please
[06:15] <hypnosis> is this common behavior?
[06:15] <Reckon> no, at least not for me
[06:16] <VinceN> ZykoticK9: Thanks man.  I can't belive i've been beating my head up for 2 hours over that thing LOKL
[06:16] <ZykoticK9> VinceN, glad you got it fixed!
[06:16] <Ken8521> no problem here hypatia
[06:16] <VinceN> ZykoticK9 : I'm hoping it was just stupidity it got removed,  If it disapears agian though i'll know where to look at least.
[06:16] <Ken8521> VinceN, i told you 10min ago it was notification area
[06:17] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, technically 16min ago actually ;)
[06:18] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, lol, well, i was close
[06:18] <VinceN> Ken8521, Sorry I didn't realize there was a difference between the Notification Area and the Indicator Applet, I thought one had superseeded the other
[06:19] <Ken8521> VinceN, eventually, yes.. but as of now, there's still two.
[06:20] <VinceN> I wonder if there will come a day I don't feel like a newb.  I've been using Ubuntu since Breezy
[06:20] <Ken8521> VinceN, eh, at least you got it going
[06:20] <Ken8521> lol. breezy?
[06:20] <VinceN> Yeap
[06:21] <Reckon> becoming a master in any subject is a hard task VinceN
[06:21] <VinceN> Before that I was on Fedora Core............... 4 I think
[06:21] <Ken8521> yup, been w/ fedora as well.
[06:21] <VinceN> I like Ubuntu much better
[06:21] <VinceN> Especialy the Package Management System
[06:22] <Ken8521> YUM is pretty powerful, but i greatly prefer apt-get/aptitutde
[06:23] <VinceN> I can't wait
[06:23] <VinceN> Right now we have my laptop and my wifes desktop
[06:23] <Reckon> I'm very impressed so far with the performance. I've been using Ubuntu now and then, but since 9.10, Ubuntu rocks! I used to be a Windows-fan-boy. Not anymore!!! :P
[06:23] <VinceN> Were going to get new PC's and i'm going to regulate hers to a Home Server with VPN and all that
[06:24] <hypnosis> whenever I select text and copy my keyboard freezes, help please
[06:25] <ZykoticK9> !crosspost | hypnosis
[06:25] <hypnosis> ZykoticK9, then reply :)
[06:26] <SwedeMike> hypnosis: also, you need to give a more specific fault description.
[06:26] <hypnosis> or say you don't know
[06:26] <ZykoticK9> hypnosis, is everyone had to say when they didn't know something - NOTHING would ever get done
[06:27] <Reckon> have a nice day! Heading out to work!
[06:27] <Ken8521> hypnosis, i just copy/pasted a bunch of text, and it didn't freeze up on me at all.
[06:40] <Ooonngaaa> Ola penguinfanz
[06:40] <Ooonngaaa> I have one problem with lucid
[06:40] <Ooonngaaa> The console lost
[06:41] <vivid> what did it lose?
[06:41] <Ooonngaaa> azt a pingvinbaszo kurvaeget:(
[06:42] <bazhang> Ooonngaaa, english only here.
[06:42] <Ooonngaaa> The fresh install
[06:42] <Ooonngaaa> bazhang broth aokay
[06:42] <vivid> the console lost its fresh install you say?
[06:43] <Ooonngaaa> As first problem: from the install iso not contains wicd network manager
[06:43] <Ooonngaaa> As second: I installed lubuntu, and update, upgrade
[06:43] <bazhang> Iinfo wicd
[06:43] <bazhang> !info wicd
[06:43] <Ooonngaaa> Reboot
[06:43] <Ken8521> Ooonngaaa, wicd is in the repos.
[06:44] <bazhang> you need to install wicd Ooonngaaa
[06:44] <Ooonngaaa> And the tty console lost ( tty0-tty6)
[06:44] <Ooonngaaa> only alt+ctrl+F7 working
[06:44] <vivid> is lubuntu even a supported branch?
[06:45] <Ooonngaaa> bazhang brotha at this time wicd already installed too
[06:45] <bazhang> !info lubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <bazhang> vivid, ^^
[06:45] <vivid> !info kubuntu-desktop
[06:45] <vivid> main versus multiverse, hardly supported
[06:48] <VinceN> Is Mediabuntu stilld own?
[06:48] <Ooonngaaa> I am read some forums on the WEB. Many people's problem with lucid: The console lost... :(
[06:48] <VinceN> medibuntu even
[06:49] <Ken8521> VinceN, yes
[06:49] <Ken8521> use one of the mirrors
[06:51] <Ooonngaaa> Any good idea brothers?
[06:51] <VinceN> Ken8521, Looking at the webpage where are the mirrors listed?
[06:51] <Ken8521> VinceN, hang on a sec.
[06:52] <Ken8521> VinceN, i've had the best luck w/ mirror 2.. mirror 1 went down a little while ago, don't know if its back up..  http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[06:52] <VinceN> Ken8521: Think I found one, Google is great
[06:52] <VinceN> That was the article I found LOL
[06:53] <iconmefisto> Ooonngaaa: don't know why, but I'm not getting any virtual terminals either. if you do sudo start tty1, do you get one on ctrl-alt-F1 ?
[06:53] <Ken8521> i odn't use tty, so i dunno.
[06:54] <geekphreak> hello all
[06:55] <Ken8521> !hello
[06:57] <histo> nylon
[06:57]  * Maletor loves Lucid
[06:57] <Ooonngaaa> iconmefisto: yes!!!! great!
[06:58] <Ooonngaaa> the problem in the "auotoexec.bat" ?:)
[06:59] <VinceN> Ken8521, Thanks sir I got that working now as well
[07:01] <Ken8521> VinceN, you found it.. :)
[07:02] <iconmefisto> Ooonngaaa: do you have ati graphics card?
[07:04] <Ooonngaaa> iconmefisto: That is an old pc, PII Celeron Mendocino 400 Mhz with 512 MB RAM and built 4MB SIS 620 AGP Video Card - HP BRIO 75 BAxx PC from 1999
[07:05] <geekphreak> sorry got disconnected
[07:05] <geekphreak> Ken8521: :)
[07:05] <Ooonngaaa> no problem geekphreak brotha...Willkomt again
[07:06] <geekphreak> :)
[07:06] <Ken8521> do i know you?
[07:06] <geekphreak> anyways i got a question
[07:07] <Ken8521> shoot
[07:07] <iconmefisto> Ooonngaaa: I filed a bug about this: bug 567047. "me too" it and add any other info to it if you can.
[07:07] <Ken8521> metaphorically speaking
[07:07] <geekphreak> i just updated my system yesterday and after the update , when i press ctrl+alt+f2 or any function key to get to  text mode, all i get is blinking cursor , no login prompts nothing
[07:08] <Ooonngaaa> iconmefisto: thank you brotha'
[07:08] <Ken8521> geekphreak, i don't use console like that, but i think some others were just ehre talking bout that
[07:08] <ZykoticK9> lol geekphreak see two posts above yours for a related bug
[07:08] <geekphreak> ZykoticK9: lol oopos :)
[07:09] <geekphreak> ZykoticK9:  thanks mate will check
[07:10] <ZykoticK9> geekphreak, do you have lubuntu installed?  someone earlier stated they started having the issue after installing it... no idea if it's related or not to the real issue.
[07:10] <geekphreak> no i dont have that installed
[07:10] <ZykoticK9> geekphreak, ok just checkin' if there was a common thread involving lubuntu
[07:11] <geekphreak> ZykoticK9:  ok ok kool np ,
[07:14] <geekphreak> yup that works :)
[07:15]  * jumpkick can not stop fsck on boot-up .... #@!#%$!
[07:16] <vega> ehh, my lucid only boots when i remove "quiet splash" from grub command line
[07:16] <eveningsky> When I press the keyboard shortcut for a new Tomboy note it opens 4 new ones instead of 1. So far to fix it, I've tried changing the shortcut in case the button was sticking and removing/installing Tomboy in Synaptic. I'm running Ubuntu Studio Lucid fully updated.
[07:16] <vega> with those, it just stays forever at the white/red dots
[07:17] <vega> plymouth?=
[07:20] <d33d> can someone tell me why I don't have the cool "white" little icons like the one seen here next to "NET or MEM" for conky? http://laudecioliveira.org/blog/?p=223
[07:21] <Ken8521> i forget what thats called.
[07:21] <Ken8521> frankly, never had a need for it... lm-sensors?  i think thats it.
[07:22] <d33d> so is that something I need to like sudo apt-get or something? I'm new to conky
[07:22] <Ken8521> d33d, probably, but honestyl, i know very little about it.
[07:22] <Ken8521> !lm-sensors
[07:22] <d33d> Ken8521, you don't use conky?
[07:23] <d33d> Ken8521, what do you use your Ubuntu for?
[07:23] <Ken8521> i don't even know what conky is.. isn't that KDE?
[07:24] <Ken8521> eveningsky, what is your problem?
[07:24] <eveningsky> Ken8521, When I press the keyboard shortcut for a new Tomboy note it opens 4 new ones instead of 1. So far to fix it, I've tried changing the shortcut in case the button was sticking and removing/installing Tomboy in Synaptic. I'm running Ubuntu Studio Lucid fully updated.
[07:24] <eveningsky> Ken8521, thanks
[07:25] <Ken8521> i've never used tomboy... lemme try it
[07:25] <Ken8521> whats the keyboard shortcut, or where do i enable it?
[07:26] <geekphreak> Ken8521:  press alt+f2 >> type tomboy
[07:26] <eveningsky> Ken8521, It didn't do that yesterday. I don't remember the default hotkey.
[07:26] <geekphreak> eveningsky:  its alt+f11
[07:26] <d33d> Ken8521, nah, conky is just like a system monitor / rainlendar is what I would consider it similar to.
[07:27] <eveningsky> geekphreak, I have mine set to open a new note on super shift n
[07:28] <geekphreak> eveningsky: well you can always customize it, i was talking bout default :d
[07:29] <eveningsky> geekphreak, but today I suddenly started getting 4 notes spread randomly around the screen each time I press it.
[07:29] <geekphreak> eveningsky: it happened to me once , yes
[07:30] <geekphreak> eveningsky:  when you left click tomboy icon , how many new notes you see?
[07:31] <eveningsky> geekphreak, I had like a hundred. I've deleted em
[07:31] <d33d> where'd Ken go?
[07:31] <geekphreak> d33d:  think he is working on tomboy
[07:32] <geekphreak> eveningsky:  i am redifning kys, most of them work
[07:33] <d33d> geekphreak, not sure why he would have to exit irc to work on tomboy... its just a sticky note thing right?
[07:33] <DanaG> !find /usr/lib/xscreensaver/sonar
[07:33] <geekphreak> d33d:  he did not leave, he is here, just chking out tomboy application as question came to room
[07:34] <eveningsky> geekphreak, I figured out that if I press and hold the shortcut, it will create new notes endlessly. So my first thing I did was change from N to B in case the N key was sticking, but it did the same thing.
[07:34] <geekphreak> true
[07:34] <DanaG> !find sonar
 eveningsky:  its alt+f11
[07:34] <d33d> * Ken8521 has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
[07:35] <eveningsky> d33d, ken left very suddenly with no comment, he probably lost his connection somehow
[07:36] <d33d> eveningsky, yes. that's my point.
[07:37] <eveningsky> d33d, hmmm. i guess you'll have to wait till he comes back so he can tell you
[07:37] <geekphreak> whats the issue anyways
[07:37] <d33d> mine?
[07:38] <geekphreak> yes
[07:38] <d33d> i was just having problems with conky...
[07:38] <geekphreak> oh ok
[07:39] <d33d> geekphreak, you ever used Ubuntu Tweak?
[07:42] <geekphreak> hmm
[07:43] <upgrdman> how do i move my max/min/close windows button back to the right corner?
[07:43] <geekphreak> d33d:  just installed coky, looks nice
[07:43] <d33d> well i installed it and I think I broke it.
[07:43] <d33d> what'd you use to install it? apt-get install conky?
[07:43] <Jordan_U> upgrdman: http://techpad.co.uk/content.php?sid=94
[07:43] <geekphreak> d33d:  yes
[07:44] <geekphreak> d33d:  open terminal start conky , tell me if you get any error messages
[07:44] <d33d> let me re-install
[07:44] <geekphreak> d33d:  do this first hold on
[07:44] <geekphreak> sudo apt-get remove --pruge conky
[07:45] <geekphreak> so it takes old setting back during removal , then install it back
[07:45] <geekphreak> --purge*
[07:45] <d33d> so --purge removes like config files?
[07:45] <geekphreak> yeah l
[07:46] <geekphreak> only of that applcation , not all though
[07:47] <d33d> geekphreak, ok so, I get a nasty looking black window on the left of my screen.
[07:47] <geekphreak> showing uptime and frequency and all?
[07:47] <d33d> Ken8521, welcome back
[07:47] <d33d> geekphreak, yes.
[07:47] <Ken8521> sorry, lost my internet for some reason
[07:48] <geekphreak> d33d:  there you go, your appliation works now
[07:48] <d33d> geekphreak, its working fine...just not when I use other configs.
[07:48] <d33d> geekphreak, this is ugly, there are .conkyrc configs that make it beautiful.
[07:49] <geekphreak> hey i am using it for first time myself, i hate having widget on screen, i like it clean
[07:49] <Ken8521> same.
[07:49] <Ken8521> i like a clean desktop
[07:49] <Ken8521> i don't like 40 quadrillion icons either
[07:49] <Ken8521> i usually have 2 icons, a Home link, and Pokerstars.. and thats it..lol
[07:50] <Nirkus> hi! aptitude wanted to install a bunch of unsigned packages, arent they just not signed yet?
[07:50] <Ken8521> Nirkus, well, it depends onthe packages
[07:50] <Ken8521> if they are "unsigned" then they are likely from a repo you added to your source list
[07:50] <d33d> Ken8521, geekphreak, the nice thing about conky is that its like unobtrusive to your work environment, its just a simple light script...runs and looks beautiful.
[07:51] <geekphreak> d33d: matter of choice i guess mate , i uninstalled it :)
[07:51] <Nirkus> Ken8521: didnt add any repos to my lucid yet
[07:51] <Ken8521> Nirkus, then its probably no big deal
[07:51] <Nirkus> Ken8521: ..i think :)
[07:52] <Nirkus> Ken8521: ill just wait for them to be signed, then
[07:52] <Ken8521> Nirkus, if you don't have any third party repos in your source list, i would update.  If you're using Lucid, you at least want to keep it current for bug fixes, etc
[07:53] <geekphreak> Ken8521:      did you check out tomboy?
[07:53] <Ken8521> geekphreak, forgot al about it, hang on
[07:53] <Ken8521> now what was the issue, when you used your keyboard short cut to open a new note, it opened 4-5 of them?
[07:54] <geekphreak> it does thor many notes at ya
[07:54] <geekphreak> throw*
[07:55] <Nirkus> Ken8521: well, i dont like installing unsigned packages :) and id guess, they will be signed or replaced by singed ones soon as ubuntu-desktop and ubuntu-standard are in the list..
[07:55] <eveningsky> geekphreak, Ken8521. I was just thinking I haven't rebooted in a while.
[07:55] <Ken8521> eveningsky, .. ok?
[07:55] <eveningsky> let me see if that magically fixes it. back in a few.
[07:57] <Ken8521> geekphreak, ok... i just done it, and only opens up 1 note each time i hit my short cut(I have mine for Alt G)
[07:57] <almoxarife> is naut actions still crashing naut networking?
[07:57] <Ken8521> almoxarife, didn't know it ever was
[07:57] <almoxarife> Ken8521: it was
[07:57] <d33d> Ken8521, geekphreak, this is conky looking better than its stock config...
[07:57] <d33d> http://bit.ly/cy3R48
[07:57] <almoxarife> is maybe
[07:57] <almoxarife> I guess I would have to reload the pckg to find out
[07:58] <Ken8521> d33d, just to much for me
[07:58] <Ken8521> does anyone here ever use skype?
[07:58] <d33d> Ken8521, fair enough
[07:58] <geekphreak> i have skype
[07:58] <d33d> Ken8521, I'm on it. And use it daily
[07:58] <Ken8521> d33d, but hey man, if thats your thing.. thats cool... i love choice. :)
[07:59] <Ken8521> d33d, is it normal for some cat from africa to keep sending me a message that I have won 15million dollars?
[07:59] <Ken8521> lol
[07:59] <geekphreak> d33d:  good for monitoring options i guess , looks kool
[07:59] <Ken8521> yeah
[07:59] <d33d> lol - geekphreak Ken8521 i don't believe I have african cats contacting us.
[08:00] <Ken8521> it's happened to me a few times
[08:00] <Ken8521> that, or the same asian chick has contacted me like 8x wanting to talk dirty
[08:00] <Ken8521> which i have zero interest in.
[08:01] <eveningsky> Ken8521, geekphreak. Nevermind. Reboot solved the problem.
[08:02] <Ken8521> eveningsky, ... enlighten me as to what the problem was..
[08:03] <eveningsky> Ken8521, There's a keyboard shortcut to create and open up a new note in Tomboy.
[08:03] <Ken8521> eveningsky, right...
[08:03] <eveningsky> Ken8521, Every time I pressed it, it created and opened 4 notes instead of one.
[08:03] <Ken8521> oh ok.. i thought it was geek having that problem
[08:03] <d33d> Tomboy is just a note-taking app right?
[08:03] <d33d> like post-it notes.
[08:03] <geekphreak> d33d: yes
[08:03] <eveningsky> Ken8521, And each of the extra notes had to be deleted with an annoying "are you sure you want to delete this" dialog.
[08:04] <d33d> I find tons of yellow notes all over annoying...but at the same time, there's not much else out there...at least that i know of.
[08:04] <geekphreak> eveningsky:  from what i am seeing, its kinda of senstive, we pressing too hard
[08:04] <eveningsky> d33d post it notes that link together like a wiki
[08:04] <d33d> really?
[08:05] <eveningsky> d33d, yeah, and they are not all over (except in the case of my problem a few minutes ago) they are hidden away and searchable
[08:06] <eveningsky> geekphreak, no i wasn't pressing too hard.
[08:06] <eveningsky> geekphreak, it was a minor but that fixed itself when I rebooted the computer
[08:06] <eveningsky> minor bug ^
[08:07] <geekphreak> :)
[08:10] <d33d> geekphreak, why ubuntu?
[08:11] <d33d> i was wanting to know what people are using ubuntu for...
[08:12] <Ken8521> d33d, just a normal desktop user here.
[08:13] <geekphreak> d33d:  simple, friendly, elegant,gets the work done, secure :d
[08:14] <Ken8521> admit it, you want to look at porn w/o the threat of viruses
[08:14] <d33d> Ken8521, lol1
[08:14] <d33d> geekphreak, might i ask what you do for a living?
[08:14] <eveningsky> d33d, I finally decided to go geek a couple weeks ago. Been using Windows since 3.1 and wanted the switch to be as painless a possible.
[08:15] <Ken8521> eveningsky, eh.. its rarely painless, when Redmond has brainwashed you for 15-20yrs, you can't expect to learn a new OS in 2 days
[08:15] <eveningsky> Ken8521, I know!
[08:15] <Ken8521> when i tell people that, they always look at me like i just told them i'd slept with their spouse
[08:16] <eveningsky> my only prior linux experience was ssh command shell to my vps
[08:17] <geekphreak> d33d:  i am a coder , i code websites
[08:17] <d33d> My story, I do System Administration... Been using windows for a while, but a past job I was on ubuntu and loved it, an old manager ran debian and i enjoyed ubuntu...it was awesome. so I just recently made the switch back to ubuntu, companies (where I'm at) seem to be looking for those with more linux skills. :D
[08:17] <eveningsky> which I barely did anything useful with. I usually just called tech support and said fix my server.
[08:17] <d33d> geekphreak, php? wordpress? joomla? RoR? python? django?
[08:18] <geekphreak> php / ajax
[08:18] <d33d> geekphreak, that's cool. can you make like web-apps?
[08:19] <geekphreak> yup ,
[08:19] <d33d> if I started one - would you be willing to help ... for free :P ?
[08:19] <d33d> you wouldnt' have to code anything... just like when I hit a brick wall or something.
[08:20] <geekphreak> sure np
[08:20] <d33d> im looking at making a few different ones.
[08:21] <RikFshr> Good day all
[08:21] <d33d> 1) I need an EXTREMELY simple (like almost childish) interface to upload a file to an FTP server...
[08:21] <eveningsky> d33d. every language has an irc channel. and most of the frameworks too.
[08:21] <RikFshr> I'm looking for boot help
[08:21] <geekphreak> RikFshr: whats the error?
[08:21] <d33d> eveningsky, ya. been in and out of them.
[08:22] <Ken8521> RikFshr, let me get my tarot cards and i'll try to answer
[08:22] <RikFshr> I have windoze 7 and Ubuntu 10.4 beta 2 on one single Disk drive and can't boot into Ubuntu. Tried LIveCD and Super Grub etc.
[08:22] <eveningsky> d33d. I was using jQuery to heavily animate a site and spent endless hours on irc
[08:22] <d33d> RikFshr, have you tried Wubi?
[08:22] <Ken8521> RikFshr, does 7 boot OK?
[08:22] <Jordan_U> RikFshr: What version of super grub CD did you use?
[08:23] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, thats a good point.
[08:23] <RikFshr> super grub 0.9799 and 1.30
[08:23] <Jordan_U> RikFshr: What happened when you tried to boot Ubuntu with 1.30?
[08:24] <RikFshr> Win 7 boots fine and everything worked 2 weeks ago
[08:24] <geekphreak> RikFshr:  what error do you get and can you pastebin sudo fdisk -l
[08:24] <RikFshr> I should have done IRC from laptop now I am on the machine with the problem and no way to try anything :-(
[08:25] <Ken8521> RikFshr, well are you gonna answer any of the questions that have been posed?
[08:26] <Jordan_U> RikFshr: Can you give a vague description, do you get an error message? Do you see the Ubuntu logo? Does it freeze with a black screen without any error messages?
[08:26] <RikFshr> Super Grub didn't offer to repair MBR or anything that seemed useful
[08:26] <geekphreak> RikFshr:  do you get any error messages when you try to boot by any chance or grub just sits there
[08:26] <RikFshr> It just boot sstraight to Windoze 7
[08:27] <d33d> RikFshr, what version of ubuntu are you installing?
[08:27] <Ken8521> so grub doesnt even come up?
[08:27] <RikFshr> Nothing seems to get the bootloader to see the Ubuntu
[08:27] <RikFshr> No grub
[08:27] <RikFshr> I went through LiveCD Ubuntu to fix or install grub and still nothing
[08:28] <geekphreak> is this a dell system?
[08:28] <Ken8521> RikFshr, when you're on the live CD, can you browse the drive, and see that Ubuntu, did in fact, install?
[08:28] <RikFshr> Yes I can see the Ubuntu partition in LIveCD
[08:28] <Ken8521> ok
[08:28] <RikFshr> Gateway P4
[08:29] <Jordan_U> RikFshr: The grub2 developers don't belive that bootloaders should be installed by bootloaders (and in fact grub legacy couldn't completely install itself from the bootloader either). Super grub2 disk should let you boot into Ubuntu though.
[08:29] <RikFshr> Jordan_U I know that's what I tried several times but it doesn't boot Ubuntu
[08:29] <Jordan_U> RikFshr: What does happen?
[08:30] <RikFshr> Honestly I tried so many things I don't recall.
[08:30] <RikFshr> Give me somethign to try and I'll go to it!
[08:30] <Ken8521> RikFshr, boot the live CD, and come back here
[08:30] <RikFshr> K
[08:31] <RikFshr> Cya soon!
[08:31]  * Ken8521 has a feeling he won't be able to figure out how to boot the cd
[08:32] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: He says he already has used the liveCD
[08:32] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, i'm just not that confident...
[08:32] <Ken8521> i hope he proves me wrong
[08:33] <geekphreak> Jordan_U:  i hope he is choosing th eright device to install the loader on
[08:34] <crucialhoax> Is there a way to make the default theme darker? Specifically the window borders and panels? They are grey, not black...
[08:35] <geekphreak> still looking for other options , what else could eb the reaon, i had similar issues with one of the dells, grub keps getting washed off dual boot win 7/ubuntu 9.10
[08:35] <Ken8521> usually when i have trouble w/ grub or installing, i blame it on the guy who watches me shave... and usually, i'm right.
[08:35] <Ken8521> :)
[08:36] <Ken8521> MBR fix is a good tool, if you've never used it
[08:36] <iconmefisto> Ken8521: grow a beard :)
[08:36] <Ken8521> :)
[08:37] <d33d> i guess my irc died.
[08:38] <Ken8521> it happens
[08:39] <geekphreak>  cya folks
[08:39] <d33d> geek was running kubuntu?
[08:39] <d33d> odd.
[08:39] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: I don't break your bootloader, I only stalk you.
[08:39] <d33d> i guess he could have had Konversation installed on a gnome desktop.
[08:39] <Ken8521> lol
[08:41] <Ken8521> http://www.sysint.no/nedlasting/mbrfix.htm
[08:42] <Ken8521> there's an awesome tool, for restoring windows MBR's, backing up MBR's w/ grub on them, etc.
[08:42] <Ken8521> as long as you can get to windows to use it
[08:44] <nosse1> Hi. Just installed Lucid. Have anyone else noticed a change in the fonts? I had a very good font rendering which I used in consoles on Karmic. I'm using the Monospace font as default, and IIRC the DPI and anti aliasing settings are the same
[08:45] <Ken8521> nosse1, looks the same to me,
[08:46] <nosse1> I'm unable to find the same nice small font in Lucid. Let me see if I can provide a screen dump comparison...
[08:52] <d33d> nosse1, not sure if you'll like it but I use the ttf-droid fonts... they are clean 8pt and awesome.... (well i set them to 8pt)
[08:53] <nosse1> d33d: thanks, but my point is that the Monospace (Vera I think) rendering has changed. It *did* render beautifully on karmic
[08:54] <Jordan_U> nosse1: What graphics card do you have? lucid adds KMS support for ATI and Nvidia hardware, though that should just give you a higher resolution console.
[08:54] <d33d> nosse1, oh. yeah it probably changed. are you looking for "verification" of that...or?
[08:56] <nosse1> Jordan_U: I'm running Nvidia 195 driver
[08:57] <nosse1> d33d: I'm not sure what you mean by "verification", but my goal of this would be to get back to that font. Because with it I was capable of getting a nice font and yet it was very compact
[08:59] <nosse1> When I change the font size through 9 to 6, the spacing changes (i.e. what latex would call "em"), so the aspect ratio of the font isn't preserved when changing it
[08:59] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: If you are going to be here for a while would you mind pinging me if RikFshr returns? I'm the developer of super grub2 disk so if it's legitimately failing to boot his Ubuntu install (and it's not a wubi install, I'll support that in 1.99) I'd like to know why so I can fix it.
[08:59] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, sure.
[09:00] <nosse1> I'm trying to start my Karmic in VirtualBox, but I cannot start it due to some kernel issue it seems...
[09:00] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: Thanks
[09:01] <Ken8521> nosse1, are you trying to start the live ISO, or an OS you've installed?
[09:02] <nosse1> Ken8521: VB issue to boot a virtual harddisk, not live ISO. And not the OSE version of VB
[09:04] <Ken8521> so how are you attempting to install karmic in vbox?
[09:04] <switchgirl> bagpuss_thecat, you know java don't you?
[09:04] <nosse1> Ken8521: I have it already. The image is from before I upgraded to Lucid.
[09:05] <nosse1> Here's something odd IMHO: Go into appearance -> Fonts. For fixed font, select Monospace 9. Then enter Details. At the same time open a new console (which uses the system font)
[09:06] <Ken8521> nosse1, well is it on CD, or what?..
[09:06] <nosse1> If you select "Slight" under Hinting and then "Full" then font rendering changes completely on my machine
[09:07] <nosse1> Ken8521: I upgraded my host computer yesterday from Karmic to Lucid. My comments about VB are only in order for me to demonstrate how it behaves on Karmic, that's all
[09:08] <Ken8521> nosse1, i understand... and you're trying to boot karmic in vbo, right?
[09:09] <nosse1> Ken8521: yup. I'll figure out why VB wont start in a minute. Now, I'm trying to focus on the fonts issue :D
[09:09] <Ken8521> i really have no idea on the fonts
[09:10] <BUGabundo_remote> From the Hills, I shout: Guud Morning
[09:10] <nosse1> But does anyone else see this behaviour?
[09:12] <KingFisher> I'm back from my dual boot problem!
[09:12] <KingFisher> Formerly known as Rick
[09:13] <KingFisher> On a hunch I ran Super Grub 0.9799 and fixed my boot issue
[09:14] <KingFisher> Would someone remind me of the grub command to get Grub to also list Windows
[09:15] <iconmefisto> KingFisher: grub should detect other oses. sudo update-grub will update /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[09:16] <KingFisher> Thanks
[09:17] <KingFisher> So SuperGrub worked after all
[09:18] <KingFisher> What does everyone think about updating to Beta 2 versus waiting for 9 days for the final
[09:19] <alvin> KingFisher: I'm pondering that myself. I experience very severe issues with Lucid and have doubts that they will be fixed in 9 days. On the other hand, not everyone experienced these issues. (without exception these are boot issues)
[09:19] <nosse1> Is there a pastebin for images somewhere?
[09:20] <Jordan_U> !screenshot | nosse1
[09:21] <Jordan_U> alvin: What type of boot issues?
[09:21] <alvin> In kubuntu, PrtScr does not work by default. Use ksnapshot
[09:21] <alvin> Oh, the not being able to boot part. Want me to find the bug numbers so you can check whether the requirements apply for you?
[09:21] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: No need to ping me anymore BTW.
[09:21] <iconmefisto> alvin: in kubuntu, PrtScr starts ksnapshot here
[09:22] <KingFisher> Alvin I always like to get it when it first comes out but I also use Windows for everyday stuff
[09:22] <alvin> iconmefisto: You probably have it set in global shortcuts. I didn't get around to that yet
[09:22] <Jordan_U> alvin: Bug numbers would be great.
[09:22] <alvin> ok, give me a moment to find all boot bugs I'm suffering from
[09:22] <trijntje> Hi all, I want to upgrade my 9.04 system to 10.4 (I know its not release yet), but update-manager -d doesnt seem to work. What is the proper way to get to lucid?
[09:23] <Jordan_U> trijntje: You need to upgrade to 9.10 first
[09:23] <LSD|Ninja> trijntje: wait 6 months for 10.10 :P
[09:23] <KingFisher> My Ubuntu Beta 2 disk hangs. I suspect a bad CD is there a way to test the disk while I am in Ubuntu
[09:24] <LSD|Ninja> There's no way in hell they're going to get everything that needs to be fixed done in time for an end of april launch, but that's nothing new for an LTS >_<
[09:24] <trijntje> Jordan_U: LSD|Ninja, never mind, update-manager -d worked the second time. Its like magic ;)
[09:24] <iconmefisto> trijntje: I did my upgrade in terminal with sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[09:25] <Jordan_U> KingFisher: If you press escape at boot there is an option to check the CD for defects.
[09:25] <KingFisher> Jordan_U thanks I forget there are things to press while booting!
[09:26] <nosse1> I get two very different renderings of the screen fonts when I select "slight" hinting or "full" hinting. See http://imagebin.org/93683 vs. http://imagebin.org/93684
[09:27] <Jordan_U> KingFisher: It's new in lucid, since they now by default present you with the installer with a button to go to the live Deskop they don't need to show the meny at boot (but still allow you to get to it for advanced options).
[09:30] <alvin> KingFisher, Jordan_U. Here is the list: Very critical (read: for me) are bug 360378 and bug 563895 (also in Karmic). More or less related bugs I always have are bug 563902, bug 527666, bug 563117 and bug 557909. Then, more cosmetic ones are bug 444563, bug 563916 and bug 420077. Some of these bugs were also in Karmic. The worst part is that I'm testing Lucid to see whether I can mount NFS drives well at boot. This is supposed to be fixed,
[09:30] <alvin>  but I can't check well because of all other issues that have risen.
[09:31] <nosse1> How to trigger recompile of the "extra" kernel modules?
[09:31] <alvin> ubottu has given up. Gotta find 'm all. :-)
[09:32] <nosse1> ...I think something about dkms IIRC
[09:34] <Ken8521> sorry Jordan_U stepped away for af ew
[09:39] <nosse1> How can I alter the behaviour to change workspace when dragging a window to the screen edge? Where is it?
[09:44] <Jordan_U> alvin: The grub bug is interesting, you're right that it probably won't be fixed in lucid before release but upstream grub tends to get fixes into trunk very quickly and it may make it into a point release (LTSs have them, non LTS don't). Do you happen to have a serial port to capture debug output from?
[09:45] <alvin> You mean the 'disk not found when booting mdadm with snapshots bug'?
[09:45] <dima> Hi, is this a right place to ask kubuntu lucid specific question?
[09:45] <Jordan_U> alvin: Yes
[09:45] <alvin> I can capture output by means of a KVM-over-ip switch. Would that be any good? There's not much output
[09:46] <dima> I've got a problem. Plasma wouldn't start after upgrade to lucid. Anything I can do?
[09:46] <alvin> Jordan_U: Actually, all output is in the bug report. I have only 3 lines (error: no such disk)
[09:47] <Jordan_U> alvin: If you run "set debug=all" you will get much more output (which is why you really need serial to get it all).
[09:48] <zniavre> do you experience really huge border around thumbnail in the desktop ?
[09:48] <alvin> Jordan_U: In what file do I set the debug?
[09:48] <zniavre> is that a feature or what ?
[09:49] <alvin> I'll check the BIOS to see if serial is possible.
[09:52] <Jordan_U> alvin: Normally the grub.cfg but you aren't getting far enough for that to be read yet. You can run it at the rescue shell but you probably won't get much usefull if you start debugging only after the lvm module is loaded. The easiest thing to do is probably to use super grub2 disk (so that you can get to a full grub shell and "set debug=all" before needing to insmod lvm).
[09:55] <alvin> Jordan_U: I could just boot the system too (it's possible to remove the snapshot using the ubuntu rescue option on the install cd)
[09:55] <alvin> Jordan_U: This could take a while. The only portable pc with serial connection I have here is a pentium II.
[09:56] <Jordan_U> alvin: But then you wouldn't get debug output from it failing.
[09:56] <alvin> Jordan_U: No worries. I'll just make another snapshot and reboot. It WILL fail
[09:56] <Jordan_U> alvin: If you can reproduce it in qemu that would work as well.
[09:58] <Jordan_U> alvin: Here is an image for super grub disk based on grub 1.98 (which is the version used in lucid) http://prdownload.berlios.de/supergrub/super_grub_disk_hybrid-1.98s1-rc1.iso. It has serial terminal enabled by default.
[09:58] <alvin> Jordan_U: Hmm, good idea. I probably can
[09:59] <Ken8521> when did you get so involved w/ grub Jordan_U ?
[10:01] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: I started what I thought would be a one hour project for my College involving grub and it turned into something *much* more involved, then I submitted some patches for super grub2 disk and it turned out that Adrian, the primary developer wasn't working on it actively.
[10:02] <Ken8521> and lucky you...lol
[10:02] <Ken8521> i was trying to figure out how to make it boot a USB a couple weeks ago.
[10:02] <Ken8521> my PC is incapable of booting USB, and I'd read somewhere that grub could boot the USB.
[10:07] <Jordan_U> alvin: There is an option in the menu of the image I gave you titled "Enable grub's raid support". I haven't done much with raid myself so I haven't tested it yet (it's one of the things I need to do before releasing 1.98s1). So don't be surprised if it doesn't work but please ping me if you can either way.
[10:07] <alvin> Jordan_U: I'm still booting the Pentium II :-) I'll test both the ubuntu grub and your cd. Could take a while though
[10:09] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: "insmod ohci; insmod uhci; insmod usbms" but at this stage grub's USB code is just as likely to make grub freeze as it is to work (someone's just recently taken on the job of fixing it up though).
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> a bit OT, but maybe someone can help me: my debian system, lost my mouse... was working till a few minutes ago. other mouse same thing. this mouse on other PC works. how can I restart some X component??
[10:11] <Jordan_U> alvin: I going to sleep now anyway, thanks for taking the time to file bugs and especially going the extra mile to get debug output.
[10:28] <sirius> hi
[10:43] <odie5533> Is there a mini 10.04 install disc?
[10:45] <hyper_ch> hi there, anyone else has problems their scanners to get recognized in Lucid? Neither the webcam nor my printer/scanner is being recognized anymore
[11:07] <thecookie> Any update on the sound issues?
[11:08] <bagpuss_thecat> switchgirl: eh, no
[11:09] <coc0nut> hyper_ch: My printer works in Lucid, haven't tried my scanner.
[11:09] <coc0nut> I can try tonight and let you know if you want.
[11:09] <coc0nut> The printer worked but the scanner wasn't even detected in FreeBSD. >.>
[11:11] <hyper_ch> printer works fine
[11:12] <hyper_ch> but neither the printer scanner nor the webcam is recognized as scanner device
[11:13] <thecookie> bleh, no sound or 3d hardware
[11:15] <hyper_ch> sound is overrated :)
[11:15] <thecookie> Too bad I need symlinks for this project I'm working on, otherwise I'd be in win7 :)
[11:15] <hyper_ch> can't you read lips and heard the sound from the visual sound specter?
[11:17] <switchgirl> a linux machine is 32 bit whats the windows equivelent?
[11:17] <hyper_ch> switchgirl: ?
[11:18] <BUGabundo_remote> switchgirl: care to explain that?
[11:18] <switchgirl> im setting up windows 7 on a vm... i am on lunux lucid as a host
[11:18] <eveningsky> switchgirl, windows and linux are both available in either 32 bit or 64 bit versions.
[11:18] <switchgirl> lucid lynx rather and linux 32bit
[11:19] <hyper_ch> if you want a 64bit guest OS you need to have
[11:19] <switchgirl> windows calling it 64 or x86
[11:19] <Ken8521> if you have a 32bit host, don't you need a 32bit guest?
[11:19] <hyper_ch> you can setup a 64bit guest os on a 32bit host
[11:20] <Ken8521> ohcan you?.. didn't knwo that
[11:20] <Ken8521> never tried it
[11:20] <hyper_ch> never tried myself but read that you can if your mobo and cpu supports it
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> wow confusion
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> most VMs can emulate the 64bits on 32bits host
[11:20] <BUGabundo_remote> but it will be *slower*
[11:20] <Ken8521> BUGabundo_remote, so you kinda lose any 64bit benefit
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> no
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> you can have >4gb of ram
[11:21] <IRConan> indeed... you're best using the same arch unless you're specifically trying to emulate a different one
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> but even that access is emulated
[11:21] <switchgirl> i have 2.5 gb ram and have had no issues on karmic
[11:21] <BUGabundo_remote> IRConan: host 64bits with vms in 32, aren't any prob at all
[11:22] <IRConan> BUGabundo_remote: yeah but there's no reason to do so unless you're specifically trying to create a 32-bit userland
[11:22] <Ken8521> switchgirl, what exactly is your question?
[11:22] <IRConan> or ofc the platform doesn't support 64
[11:23] <BUGabundo_remote> switchgirl: I didn't have issues in karmic. but do you have any with lucid?
[11:23] <BUGabundo_remote> IRConan: stupid habbits, I guess
[11:24] <switchgirl> Ken8521, was wondering what bit to set up as i had forgotton
[11:24] <Tenkawa> Anyone know if elantech touchpad support will make it into lucid?
[11:24] <switchgirl> i'm setting it up now... was saying that yes its never given me issues before
[11:24] <Ken8521> switchgirl, well, is there a particular reason you want one or the other?
[11:24] <Ken8521> oh ok
[11:24] <switchgirl> aka IRConan was wrong.... it IS possible
[11:24] <Ven]n> is it a bad idea to install 2.6.33 ?
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: not officially supported
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> do you need something from it ?
[11:25] <Ven]n> my broadcom wifi
[11:25] <ysr> hello guys...
[11:25] <IRConan> switchgirl: i didn't say it's impossible
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> switchgirl: please don't acuse ppl of something. no one said it wouldn't work
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> just that he didn't know if it would
[11:25] <ysr> can i ask for something please....
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> hi ysr
[11:25] <Ven]n> BUGabundo_remote, b43 driver with 14e4:4315 (Broadcom bcm4312 rev 01)
[11:25] <BUGabundo_remote> !ask | ysr
[11:25] <Ven]n> apparently it works out of the box in 2.6.33
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: did you file a bug against the kernel, stating it works with .33?
[11:26] <Ven]n> nope
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> maybe support for it, can be backported
[11:26] <ysr> ups sorry....
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: please do. thanks
[11:26] <Ven]n> BUGabundo_remote, there are ways to make it work.. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1266620
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: let me know the bug id
[11:26] <Ven]n> too novice to do that
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> ysr: np
[11:27] <Ven]n> :)
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: to file a bug?
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> no one is
[11:27] <Ven]n> Im not sure what the bug is
[11:27] <switchgirl> i am sorry BUGabundo_remote and IRConan it was a statement of fact not an accusation
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: just open a teminal console and type: ubuntu-bug linux
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> you will be redirected to a login page on launchpad.net
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> !bugs
[11:27] <Ven]n> believe its already filed
[11:27] <ysr> ok, this my problem, my plymouth seems doesn't work well..... it's very big.... where should i config it??
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: what's the bug id, then?
[11:28] <Ven]n> considering the thread at 51 pages :)
[11:28] <Ven]n> dont know
[11:28] <BUGabundo_remote> believe me... ppl rant, and don't file bugs
[11:28] <Ven]n> been a while since I tried to make it work
[11:28] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: can you do a search on LP
[11:29] <Ven]n> ill try
[11:29] <switchgirl> is it too early for volcano jokes or should i let the dust settle first?
[11:29] <Ven]n> BUGabundo_remote, quite a few matching 14e4:4315
[11:30] <Ven]n> BUGabundo_remote, 408357 for instance
[11:31] <BUGabundo_remote> phone bbl
[11:31] <Ven]n> how to disable ubuntu locking after X minutes?
[11:31] <Ven]n> and requiring me to type in password
[11:33] <vega> Ven]n: System -> Preferences -> Screensaver ... ?
[11:33] <Ven]n> thanks
[11:38] <SandGorgon> does anybody have .33 or .34 kernels working in 10.04 ? I tried it on my kubuntu 10.04 install, but I dont get my ethernet or wifi drivers
[11:40] <vega> .32 seems to be newest kernel in my mirror
[11:40] <vega> hard to believe that the kernel would change anymore at this point
[11:41] <G_A_C> SandGorgon: they're probably in the restricted-extras package which is only available for official kernels and not in the MainlineKernel archive
[11:42] <BUGabundo_remote> bug 408357
[11:42] <BUGabundo_remote> vega: no. .32 will be the kernel for lucid as it is an LTS
[11:42] <BUGabundo_remote> we already discussed this the other day
[11:44] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: do you have a dell mini too ?
[11:44] <alvin> Jordan_U: bug 563895 can not be circumvented with supergrubdisk. I can insmod raid and lvm, but supergrubdisk will not find an OS. This issue is worse than I thought. I'd like to post debug output, but it's too much for the serial console and the logs look worthless without line breaks.
[11:45] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: that's a pretty old bug. do you have a recent one, with current kernel?  or can you file a new one, stating it works with .33?
[11:45] <BUGabundo_remote> assuming you have tested .33 at all
[11:53] <brianherman> Nine more days!
[11:55] <IRConan> by the sound of things I'd prefer it were longer
[11:55] <iconmefisto_> I'd prefer fixes were faster
[11:55] <BUGabundo_remote> iconmefisto_: patches accepted
[11:57] <c0vert> well the quick release dates are one of the reasons why ubuntu is so far ahead
[11:59] <alvin> far ahead in what area?
[12:00] <IRConan> I'm not a fan of time based release cycle
[12:01] <Votan> alvin version numbers if u ignore the "." :> soon to release version 1004 :>
[12:01] <c0vert> lol
[12:01] <IRConan> if there's a major known bug you shouldn't release... no questions
[12:01] <alvin> I'm with IRConan on that one
[12:02] <IRConan> I could understand if they ran time based except for LTS release
[12:02] <c0vert> there's plenty of other distro's to choose form that aren't time released
[12:02] <IRConan> that's true
[12:02] <IRConan> I don't actually use ubuntu on anything at the moment
[12:02] <alvin> Every release seems plagued by a few issues that never get resolved within that release. It always looks like support ends a month after release
[12:02] <IRConan> considering putting it on something when lucid comes out if they fix enough of the crap before then
[12:03] <c0vert> i haven't really had once issue with it yet
[12:03] <alvin> I have my reasons to use Ubuntu, but the hurried releases are not one of them.
[12:03] <IRConan> well I recently tried an apt-get install gnome and got a block in the dep resolution
[12:03] <IRConan> that's a fairly major issue
[12:03] <alvin> Some people haven't. but you probably didn't use Jaunty on an Intel Graphics card then. Or Karmic on another Intel Graphics card. Or NFS mounts in karmic, (or LVM in Lucid)
[12:04] <IRConan> lvm is broken in lucid? that would be a showstopper on the device I'm thinking of
[12:04] <c0vert> i'm quite happy i have an amd based laptop with ati graphics now..no more intel anything problems
[12:05] <IRConan> what do you use for ATI graphics? fglrx is the spawn of the devil!
[12:05] <alvin> IRConan: LVM looks very broken to me in Lucid. Well, the volumes are there, but there are plenty of boot problems when you use lvm.
[12:05] <c0vert> i used whatever it gave me, didn't really look to be honest
[12:05] <alvin> and 9 days to fix (grub2beta/upstart/mountall/plymouth) doesn't seem a lot of time
[12:06] <c0vert> but i have my ati catalyst controls in my preferences menu
[12:06] <iconmefisto> IRConan: the radeon driver works well for me
[12:06] <BUGabundo_remote> IRConan: you should have used ubuntu-desktop , not gnome :D
[12:06] <alvin> or Kubuntu
[12:06] <unixp> which version of linux would u recommend for an slow pc like athlo 1.8GHz 1GB 40GB HDD. using for webside editing, else gimp, much internet tabs
[12:06] <IRConan> BUGabundo_remote: I didn't want ubuntu-desktop
[12:06] <om26er> trying 20100419.1 build and nothing comes after the cursor is shown ttys show athentication failed
[12:06] <BUGabundo_remote> unixp: any
[12:07] <IRConan> I wanted gnome
[12:07] <joaopinto> unixp, bettes ask on #Linux
[12:07] <BUGabundo_remote> IRConan: wrong distro then
[12:07] <IRConan> BUGabundo_remote: stop trolling
[12:07] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm not trolling
[12:07] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm and Ubuntu Member
[12:07] <IRConan> I know!
[12:07] <BUGabundo_remote> I do user support every day
[12:07] <alvin> ubuntu-desktop is about the same as gnome. You should install ubuntu-desktop (and remove stuff afterwards, if there are thing there you don't like/need)
[12:08] <joaopinto> IRConan, Ubuntu tries to provide default options for most users, it is not an highly customizable distro
[12:08] <IRConan> but that doesn't give you the right to tell me what package I should install
[12:08] <BUGabundo_remote> I promote the use of open source
[12:08] <BUGabundo_remote> I didn't
[12:08] <BUGabundo_remote> I recommended
[12:08] <IRConan> ubuntu-desktop depends on the gnome meta-package
[12:08] <BUGabundo_remote> and pointed that what you wanted to do, was not the best option in the current distro
[12:08] <c0vert> when i try to use a few compiz features my screen just turns white..and that's about the only problem i've had with my radeon
[12:08] <IRConan> there is nothing wrong with trying to install the gnome meta-package without the rest of the ubuntu-desktop stuff
[12:09] <IRConan> fe... I didn't want openoffice installed
[12:09] <alvin> I think you can block some packages
[12:10] <IRConan> seems more sensible to not install the meta-package which depends on the stuff you don't want
[12:10] <IRConan> it is unquestionably a bug that the gnome meta-package doesn't install
[12:12] <alvin> the gnome package is in universe, and thus only supported on a best-effort basis. But I do think you can customize your own system. I have systems with only basic X installed here. Maybe take a look at the depends and recommends of ubuntu-desktop and see what packages you need to get yourself a gnome-without-openoffice environment. It should be perfectly doable.
[12:12] <c0vert> q
[12:12] <IRConan> gnome is in universe?
[12:12] <c0vert> again, i'd choose a different distro if i didn't want gnome, just not worth it
[12:14] <IRConan> that's odd, I was sure that ubuntu-desktop pulled "gnome"
[12:14] <IRConan> I'll take back what I said then... I don't understand why they don't ship a meta-package for the gnome environment thoguh
[12:14] <ripps> IRConan: I think you want a gnome-session without all the ubuntu specific components, correct? Than you want to install a vanilla gnome-session, install 'gnome-stracciatella-session' to have that.
[12:14] <gnomefreak> apt-cache depends ubuntu-desktop will give you most of the packages that will be pulled in
[12:15] <alvin> and gnome is not in that list (at first glance)
[12:15] <IRConan> indeed... I've just realised that
[12:15] <trijntje> during update to Lucid the package 'fglrx' was not installed, is there anything I can do about this before rebooting?
[12:15] <alvin> if the meta-package does not install, filing a bug isn't a bad idea though.
[12:15] <gnomefreak> sure it does
[12:16] <gnomefreak> alvin: http://paste.ubuntu.com/419175/  < lots of gnome packages
[12:16] <IRConan> alvin: true.. I believe there is one already there
[12:17] <alvin> gnomefreak: Yes, lots of gnome packages, but not the 'gnome' metapackage
[12:18] <IRConan> seems a shame there's no supported meta-package for gnome without all the default ubuntu apps
[12:18] <gnomefreak> alvin: every package on that list brings in other packages. what do you mean by gnome meta package
[12:18] <c0vert> well, use debian then?
[12:18] <iconmefisto> !info gnome-desktop-environment
[12:19] <gnomefreak> gnome meta package is pretty much ubuntu-desktop
[12:19] <alvin> gnomefreak: well, 'gnome' (as in $ aptitude show gnome)
[12:19] <IRConan> c0vert: have you seen the gnome version in debian?
[12:19] <c0vert> not in a few versions but yes
[12:19] <IRConan> it's not exactly new is it
[12:19] <IRConan> the "solution" would appear to be switch to something like Fedora
[12:20] <c0vert> ew no..
[12:20] <IRConan> hence the ""
[12:20] <c0vert> fedora is the worst.
[12:20] <c0vert> use slackware and build it the way you want.
[12:20] <IRConan> slackware is rolling release isn't it? that's just horrible
[12:20] <IRConan> (unless you want it)
[12:20] <gnomefreak> guys/gals please join #ubuntu-offtopic for anything other than support
[12:21] <IRConan> I'm gonna go away now anyway
[12:26] <trijntje> Hi all, I just upgraded to Lucid but the installer said the upgrade was not succesfull and the system might be broken... What should I do to fix this?
[12:27] <coc0nut> Have you tried to boot into Lucid after installing
[12:27] <coc0nut> ?
[12:27] <coz_> trijntje,   if you are still in lucid    open a terminal and try   sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[12:27]  * gnomefreak would run it again
[12:27] <trijntje> not yet, I thought it would be better to ask help when the system still works
[12:28] <coc0nut> Oh, I see.
[12:28] <coc0nut> Try upgrading again
[12:28] <coc0nut> Don't reboot until it's finished.
[12:28] <trijntje> ok, running dist-upgrade again, thanks all
[12:29] <trijntje> apt say's I should use -f, would that be the right thing to do?
[12:30] <coz_> trijntje,   yeah
[12:31] <gnomefreak> just dont restart until system is in "stable" condition
[12:32] <coz_> trijntje,  also... if you can.. and you have anything crucial that needs saved... i would back that up  first and then restart... if it doesnt boot  then you can safely reinstall
[12:33] <trijntje> coz_, I already made a backup before I started the install, and it looks like fglrx is installed succesfully now
[12:33] <coz_> trijntje,  oh cool... well now for the test:)   you can try a restart
[12:36] <duffydack> hmm, which elevator would be better at handling heavy disk writes...im making a static 20gig vm image and firefox, and even chrome are being unresponsive while it finishes..  unresponsive like window turning grey.
[12:36] <trijntje> coz_, rebooting now, I hope it works
[12:36] <coz_> trijntje,  good luck :)
[12:40] <trijntje> My system works, but compiz doesnt
[12:42] <trijntje> ah wait, I have to enable the fglrx proprietary driver
[12:45] <coz_> trijntje,  working now?
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> seems theres been some work in the fglrx driver area the last week or so...
[12:52] <trijntje> coz_, everything is working now. Thanks to you and the others for your help!
[12:53] <coz_> trijntje,   very cool :)
[13:03] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. The Notificatian popups.. seem goofy now.
[13:07] <vega> hmm, 44 sec from grub to login prompt on a _fast_ machine.. todays lucid
[13:07] <vega> not so impressive
[13:08] <Dr_Willis> just throw the pc away then.....
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> The hard disk is the bottleneck most of the times i find.
[13:09] <iconmefisto> vega: I get less than 20 sec on a slow old laptop
[13:09] <Dr_Willis> My netbook - i think is under 30 sec.
[13:11] <Ven]n> BUGabundo_remote, I havent tested .33 .. thats kinda why I joined here and asked about .33....
[13:13] <vega> Ven]n: where do you find these .33 and .34 kernels, no such thing in mirrors or packages.ubuntu.com ?
[13:13] <bullgard4> What is the function of the directory /usr/share/package-hooks? What Python files does it include?
[13:14] <Ven]n> vega, http://www.ramoonus.nl/2010/02/25/linux-kernel-2-6-33-installation-guide-for-ubuntu-linux/
[13:14] <TommyThaGun> now I hear people
[13:15] <TommyThaGun> 2.6.33? what's do great about it?
[13:17]  * BUGabundo_remote loves to see ppl recommend dist-upgrades and -f :D... never heard of aptitude *safe*-upgrade ?
[13:17] <coc0nut> No, that's for women.
[13:18] <BUGabundo_remote> duffydack: try to set barriers=0 in fstab
[13:18] <TommyThaGun> -f?
[13:18] <BUGabundo_remote> vega: kernel team PPA
[13:18] <duffydack> hmm,  never heard of that one before.  cheers
[13:19] <BUGabundo_remote> totally NOT supported
[13:19] <BUGabundo_remote> duffydack: as usual, use at your own risc
[13:19] <BUGabundo_remote> but something changed that recentely
[13:19] <duffydack> BUGabundo_remote, oh oh..  why, what does it do
[13:19] <BUGabundo_remote> and I did notice IO lost of performance
[13:19] <BUGabundo_remote> so reverting to 0 improves it for me
[13:20] <Kills> hello
[13:21] <TommyThaGun> hello Kills
[13:21] <BUGabundo_remote> hi Kills
[13:21] <BUGabundo_remote> not the most friendly name
[13:21] <BUGabundo_remote> but we already have a Gun inside... so!
[13:22] <Kills> Ive been directed here from Ęubuntu
[13:22] <BUGabundo_remote> I guess its open season on the duffy duck :D
[13:22] <Kills> #ubuntu*
[13:23] <TommyThaGun> what does 'PATH does not contain /home/tp/bin' mean?
[13:23] <TommyThaGun> there is a /home/tp/bin
[13:23] <Kills> I have a problem that my laptop speakers and what is plugged in are playing togerther always
[13:23] <BUGabundo_remote> Kills: there was about that a while again
[13:24] <BUGabundo_remote> please run: ubuntu-bug alsa-base
[13:24] <BUGabundo_remote> and ping crim_sun the bug id
[13:24] <Kills> Im nwe to ubuntu
[13:24] <BUGabundo_remote> your HW might need a quirk
[13:24] <Kills> please be mroe exact on what Im suppsoe to do
[13:24] <bullgard4> What is the function of the directory /usr/share/package-hooks? What Python files does it include?
[13:24] <BUGabundo_remote> Kills if you are new to all of this, why are you running a devel version?
[13:24] <BUGabundo_remote> bullgard4: we read the question the 1st time
[13:25] <Kills> Im runing 9.10
[13:25] <BUGabundo_remote> please avoid repeating. thank you
[13:25] <BUGabundo_remote> Kills: this channel is for Ubuntu Lucid 10.04 support
[13:25] <BUGabundo_remote> please redirect your problem to #ubuntu
[13:25] <Kills> yeah i was just rediretced here by some nuthead
[13:25] <vininim> might or might not be off-topic, but is anyone managing to connect to irc.gnome.org with empathy?
[13:25] <Kills> Ok the bye bye
[13:26] <bullgard4> BUGabundo_remote: Stop trolling please.
[13:26] <leagris> Kills pulseaudio and new gnome mixer are terrible unable asperger constructs. Uninstall pulseaudio, use plain alsa instead and install the gamix mixer. You will the be able to correctly mute your internal speakers and only let your font plug headphone on.
[13:26] <BUGabundo_remote> !coc | bullgard4
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> leagris: please stop with the FUD
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> if you have any bugs with it, please report
[13:27] <gnomefreak> the in launchpad  << he forgot this :)
[13:28] <leagris> BUGabundo_remote, there are already plenty stalling bugs issues in launchpad about pulseaudio and the new gnome mixer.
[13:28] <duffydack> trying to setup 'FOG' on lucid, and it fails to get libmd5-perl.  it doesnt exist in the repo.
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> gnomefreak: true
[13:29] <leagris> BUGabundo_remote, and this is not FUD. It is possibly angry talk from someone who struggled to get these things operate properly and had to go down removing pulseaudio entirely.
[13:29] <TommyThaGun> what does 'PATH does not contain /home/tp/bin, it is recommended that you add that." mean?
[13:30] <BUGabundo_remote> leagris: all 3 audio bugs, I had were fix within days of reporting
[13:30] <BUGabundo_remote> grrrr
[13:30] <leagris> BUGabundo_remote, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/445849
[13:30] <BUGabundo_remote> TommyThaGun: same for you : we read the question the 1st time
[13:30] <BUGabundo_remote> leagris: *karmic*
[13:31] <BUGabundo_remote> pleanty of changes in alsa an kernel for lucid
[13:31] <leagris> BUGabundo_remote, guess what, the bug is still there with new upcomming ubuntu.
[13:31]  * gnomefreak goes to have a smoke. Please keep it on a more support topic. if you fiund a bug please report it or update an exsiting bug best way to provide more info to a bug you can open a term. and type apport-collect #bugnumber (replace that with the bug number
[13:32] <patdk-wk> how odd, now package updates today?
[13:32] <vininim> wat
[13:34] <patdk-wk> no package updates
[13:34] <popey> patdk-wk: final freeze
[13:34] <popey> release candidate in two days
[13:34] <popey> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[13:34] <vininim> well, I got 135MB+ updates today, maybe I slacked a day or two =P
[13:34] <popey> yeah, i had loads yesterday, none today
[13:34] <patdk-wk> I last updated at 11am yesterday :)
[13:35] <Ven]n> hmm.. i put in beta 2 today
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: its OLD
[13:35] <Ven]n> hehe
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> please upgrade
[13:35] <Ven]n> used the update manager
[13:35] <BUGabundo_remote> ok
[13:38] <Ven]n> putting in 2.6.33 now :)
[13:40] <iconmefisto> 2.6.33 is in repos?
[13:40] <BUGabundo_remote> iconmefisto: NO
[13:42] <Urda> Anybody know why splash images that once fit my screen in GRUB2 in 9.10, now have a black border around them in 10.04's GRUB2 ?
[13:42] <gnomefreak> grub or plymouth?
[13:43] <Urda> gnomefreak: Grub2
[13:43] <Urda> the standard with 10.04
[13:43] <bullgard4> What is the function of the directory /usr/share/package-hooks? What Python files does it include?
[13:43] <gnomefreak> Urda: what does it say/show
[13:44] <Italian_Plumber> I am searching for an ubuntuforums thread regarding upgrading a server from hardy to lucid. If one exists, I cannot find it.  I'm looking specifically for any discussion regarding recommending not upgrading because hardy is ext3 and lucid is ext4 (by default, I assume).  I have found this post http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8813514&postcount=5 but nothing more.  Do my searching skills suck or should I start a th
[13:44] <Urda> gnomefreak: Well it is the splash image, the image is the same size & resolution of the GRUB bootup screen, but after upgrading to 10.04 there is a black border when the image used to take up the entire screen
[13:45] <gnomefreak> Urda: the image you are talking about is on the grub screen (list of all kernels)  I have never seen a black boarder on neither grub1 grub 2 or plymouth
[13:46] <gnomefreak> oh and i have no image in grub
[13:46] <yofel> Italian_Plumber: an upgrade will not touch the filesystem you're using,  so ext3 will stay ext3
[13:47] <yofel> bullgard4: you mean /usr/share/apport/package-hooks?
[13:48] <bullgard4> yofel: Yes, I do.
[13:48] <Urda> gnomefreak: yea, it is when you have a splash image the border gets created, I'll get a pic
[13:49] <gnomefreak> Urda: can you change the image and see if any of them show same issue?
[13:49] <yofel> bullgard4: the packages put their apport hooks there that control the apport interaction if you run 'ubuntu-bug package' (the questions it asks, what data it includes in the report, ...)
[13:49] <Urda> gnomefreak: I did, I made sure both images matched the resolution GRUB ran at during boot. The border is uniform around the images that I use
[13:50] <bullgard4> yofel: What are apport hooks?
[13:50] <gnomefreak> Urda: ok please file a bug on grub best to use ubuntu-bug grub-pc  this should upload alot of info we can use to help find the issue
[13:51] <Urda> on launchpad?
[13:51] <gnomefreak> Urda: yes if you use the command above it will add info
[13:51] <gnomefreak> run the command in terminal
[13:51] <yofel> bullgard4: python scripts that apport uses for package-specific options. Like I said, what files need to be uploaded, or what questions are asked (like the kernel questions). Like that apport can include information in a report that might help in debugging
[13:52] <yofel> bullgard4: or rather like that it knows what information makes sense to add to a report about a specific package
[13:52] <Urda> gnomefreak: I know this picture sucks, but see the black bars between the splash and my screen bezel? Before 10.04 this image filled the entire screen :\ Sauce: http://twitpic.com/1h1d4r
[13:52] <bullgard4> yofel: Thank you very much for explaining.
[13:53] <Urda> gnomefreak: ok Ubuntu is collecting information and should be launching Firefox I think :)
[13:53] <gnomefreak> Urda: correct
[13:54] <Urda> gnomefreak: but did the pic help explain the issue? I don't know of a way of screen capturing my Grub :s
[13:54] <gnomefreak> Urda: you may also want to try changing res. if you havent already
[13:55] <gnomefreak> Urda: yes i see the black line
[13:55] <Ven]n> why are some kernels called lucid?
[13:55] <Ven]n> like v2.6.34-rc5-lucid
[13:55] <Urda> gnomefreak: If I change the res and find pictures to match it, no dice. So I swapped it back to 640x480 and re-loaded the image I had in 9.10
[13:56] <Ven]n> just saw it in http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[13:56] <yofel> Ven]n: because they are built with the lucid kernel configuration
[13:56] <bullgard4> Ven]n: A varation taking into account changes made for Lucid in particular.
[13:56] <gnomefreak> Urda: ok yeah please add this info to bug report.  thanks. i have to take care of personal things i will return when im done.
[13:56] <bullgard4> s/varation/variation/
[13:57] <Urda> gnomefreak: you're a champ :) thanks for the info and good luck!
[13:57] <Ven]n> cool
[13:57] <Ven]n> maybe I should try that instead of .33 :p
[13:58] <poutine> So... how do I change the queer background in the login window, gdmsetup seems quite empty in customizability
[13:59] <poutine> someone really needs to fire the color blind creative designer
[14:01] <Ken8521> poutine, way better than brown
[14:02]  * poutine didn't mind the brown
[14:02] <poutine> although I'd go for grey/blue over purple
[14:03] <poutine> or fuschia, or whatever the hell it is
[14:03] <Ken8521> poutine, i think ubuntu has mac envy
[14:03] <bazhang> !ot
[14:03] <poutine> Ken8521, I did get that feeling
[14:03] <Ken8521> lol
[14:07] <Dimmuxx> I experienced the I can't click on anything bug again. :( It seems to be related to this http://ohioloco.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1440048
[14:09] <Ken8521> poutine, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1358026
[14:10] <Dimmuxx> i'm gonna try ctrl+alt+f1 and switch back again next time, it usually never solves anything so I instead ssh:ed in and killed processes at random which didn't fix it
[14:10] <Ken8521> Dimmuxx, i've not experiencd anything like that
[14:11] <mayfairman> HI, Can I ask is anyone familiar with the process to enable uPnP network shares on Lucid? I have tried gmediaserver but with no joy, and mediatomb is uninstallable.
[14:11] <coc0nut> I use fuppes.
[14:11] <ZykoticK9> poutine, to change GDM background image see http://paste.ubuntu.com/419247/
[14:12] <bushbaby> Clean install of 10.04. Wireless not working BCM4311 apparently missing some firmware files. does anyone know of a quick fix or shall I just reinstall drivers?
[14:12] <mayfairman> thanks coc0nut, will try that :)
[14:12] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1358026
[14:12] <coc0nut> mayfairman: There's no package so you'll have to build from source
[14:12] <poutine> I'll try than thanks ZykoticK9
[14:12] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, adding a PPA for gdm2setup is overkill
[14:12] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, but it sure makes it easy... :)
[14:13] <Ken8521> and you can kill ppa after you install
[14:13] <ZykoticK9> poutine, ^^
[14:13] <poutine> I'll try that first
[14:13] <Dimmuxx> alt+f2 still works but alt+tab doesn't so it's pretty weird and I can write if I start a new terminal
[14:13] <mayfairman> yeah, I have it on sourceforge now, thanks
[14:14] <Dimmuxx> so it's not a real freeze just something strange
[14:14] <poutine> oh shart, you have to be a member on the forums to download the script
[14:14] <Ken8521> poutine, ?.. no you don't
[14:14] <Ken8521> its a ppa repo.
[14:14] <eveningsky> why is acroread-plugins not in the repository?
[14:15] <Ken8521> eveningsky, its in medibuntu(when medibuntu works).. use Evince...
[14:15] <eveningsky> ken8521. need forms
[14:15] <ZykoticK9> eveningsky, acroread isn't in the default repo either - probably why the plugins isn't there either
[14:15] <bushbaby> anyone?
[14:16] <Ken8521> eveningsky, what do you mean, "need forms"
[14:16] <eveningsky> Ken8521, I need to fill out forms online built in Acrobat.
[14:16] <Ken8521> does acrobat plugin let you do that?
[14:17] <Ken8521> i didn't think it did.
[14:17] <Ken8521> depending on the need of course, i always download the form, and use Gimp to fill it out, then mail it back.
[14:17] <Dimmuxx> it seems to be #41301
[14:18] <eveningsky> Ken8521, "This package contains plugins that notably: (1) enable completion of fillable forms, (2)"
[14:18] <Ken8521> hmmm.
[14:19] <Reckon> Hello everybody!
[14:19] <Ken8521> Reckon, :)
[14:20] <eveningsky> Ken8521, would I put "deb packages.medibuntu.org/lucid/index.html lucid partner"?
[14:20] <Reckon> so how's going the Ubuntu experience today?
[14:20] <eveningsky> Ken8521, or i mean "deb http://packages.medibuntu.org/lucid/index.html lucid partner"
[14:20] <Ken8521> eveningsky, actually, i just added it, idon'tsee a firefox plugin for acroread, just the standalone package
[14:21] <Ken8521> eveningsky, medibuntu is down right now.. you'll have to use a mirror.
[14:21] <Ken8521> !info acroread
[14:22] <Ken8521> eveningsky, http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[14:22] <Ken8521> eveningsky, mirror 2 seems to be the fastest/most stable, but like i said, i'm not aware of an adobe firefox plugin
[14:22] <Ken8521> for linux
[14:23] <Ken8521> Reckon, you were having some problem last night wren't ou..
[14:23] <Ken8521> i just can't remember what it was
[14:23] <eveningsky> Ken8521. Could I install this dapper version? http://packages.ubuntu.com/dapper/acroread-plugins
[14:24] <Ken8521> eveningsky, ..hmm.. i *doubt* ...
[14:24] <ugliefrog> is the latest iso stable?....wanting to do a fresh install on lap top is it ok or should i wait
[14:24] <mayfairman> coc0nut, have downloaded and extracted fuppes but configure gave an error on libpcre not installed, the only one I could find in repos was libpcre++, but it wont built after installing that
[14:24] <jakexks> ugliefrog, I'm pretty sure there won't be a stable until very close to release date :)
[14:24] <Ken8521> ugliefrog, not technically stable till the 29th, but i've had really good luck w/ it.
[14:25] <ugliefrog> where do i get the latest iso
[14:25] <coc0nut> mayfairman: install these packags: libpcre3 libpcre3-dev
[14:25] <coc0nut> You need the lib and its dev counterpart for most of the required librarie
[14:25] <coc0nut> s
[14:25] <coc0nut> fuppes has a lot of dependencies so it'll take a while
[14:25] <Ken8521> ugliefrog, its one of the daily builds i believe, hang on
[14:26] <phillw> hi, are we any where nearer a fix for the huwaei 3G modems ? It seems more threads are popping up :-(
[14:26] <mayfairman> OK libxml now, do you know which one im looking for?
[14:27] <poutine> ZykoticK9, Ken8521, thanks, worked nicely
[14:27] <Ken8521> ugliefrog, this is a link to the "release candidate test" due out saturday... i've got it on two machines, and it runs fine(32bit).  http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/
[14:27] <Ken8521> poutine, yeah, i installed it, gonna take a look at it when i have time.
[14:27] <mayfairman> i had xml2 on, am chucking in xml2-dev now
[14:27] <Ken8521> evening, i honestly don't think ther'es a plugin like that for Linux.
[14:28] <Ken8521> not a safe one anyways.
[14:28] <Ken8521> idon't think i'd put a dapper .deb in a 10.04 install
[14:29] <eveningsky> :(
[14:29] <gunksta> I've got a strange menu problem that I don't see on any oif the other computers with Lucid - I have a menu entry called "Other" which contains a menu entry for just about every program on the system, including the x* programs, mc, etc. Reverting the menu doesn't work. Ideas?
[14:29] <Ken8521> eveningsky, there MIGHT be one thing you could try
[14:29] <mayfairman> OK, libxml OK now, but I have aqlite3 on, but still not building, says sqlite3 not present
[14:30] <mayfairman> *sqlite
[14:30] <Ken8521> eveningsky, while this is kind fo a gay way to handle it.. what about running the Windows version of Firefox, in Wine... and put the adobe lugin in that.
[14:30] <TommyThaGun> AMAZING! I had a splash screen when I booted just now! It didn't work right, but it was there.
[14:32] <Ken8521> eveningsky, do you have a link to a file like your'e describing?
[14:32] <eveningsky> ken8521. That's pretty gay, but now that I think of it, I should probably have IE7 for webpage testing, and the occasional ActiveX only sites.
[14:32] <Ken8521> eveningsky, maybe you should run windows in vbox?.. because ie7 is epic fail
[14:32] <patdk-wk> heh, I have ie6/7/8 firefox 2/3, safari :)
[14:33] <patdk-wk> just load them all up into vmware :)
[14:33] <Ken8521> patdk-wk, i don't mean fail as in, doens't work, just that it isn't going to work under Linux... even Wine is going to be questionable at best
[14:33] <Ken8521> although, i've got windows firefox in wine.. i just installed it... i wanna try this plugin
[14:33] <patdk-wk> oh, I don't touch wine
[14:33] <patdk-wk> I would never put something like that on my machine
[14:34] <Ken8521> i keep wine so i can play poker.
[14:34] <coc0nut> mayfairman: install sqlite3, it should install its own libraries too
[14:34] <Ken8521> patdk-wk, its not bad, so long as you understand its limitations.
[14:34] <coc0nut> fuppes uses sqlite to keep the database of files shared by the server
[14:34] <mayfairman> all sorted coc0nut, thanks, didnt put the lib sqlite on as well, duh, thanks
[14:34] <Ken8521> eveningsky, do you have a link to a form that needs filled in?
[14:35] <coc0nut> mayfairman: np
[14:35] <eveningsky> Ken8521, it's in a private page. Signatures for car insurance.
[14:35] <Ken8521> oh ok
[14:35] <Ken8521> well..
[14:35] <patdk-wk> I know there are hundreds of them on us gov sites
[14:35] <coc0nut> mayfairman: you can set extra options like video transcoding and mp3 support if you have a look at: ./configure --help
[14:36] <Ken8521> like i said... try Windows Firefox in Wine.... see what happens
[14:36] <Ken8521> worse that happens, you remove it
[14:36] <patdk-wk> but then I also know there are hundreds of them that aren't fillable like they should be on those sites too :)
[14:36] <mayfairman> coc0nut: Groovy
[14:36]  * Ken8521 wonders why some chineese girl keeps trying to call me on skype
[14:36] <sipher> hello. I did an upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04. there is a problem with grub2
[14:37] <coc0nut> What's the problem?
[14:37] <sipher> I get an error before the grub prompt is displayed
[14:37] <coc0nut> =/
[14:37] <sipher> I can't install grub =/
[14:37] <Ken8521> sipher, and what is the error...?
[14:37] <sipher> Ken8521: it flashes too fast to read
[14:37] <sipher> but it sez error: file not found
[14:37] <sipher> then reboots
[14:38] <Ken8521> ok.. how did you install Ubuntu?
[14:38] <Ken8521> describe your system
[14:38] <sipher> Wubi
[14:38] <sipher> the update-manager -d
[14:38] <sipher> to get to 10.04
[14:38] <Ken8521> lol
[14:38] <sipher> the physical computer is elitebook 8530
[14:38] <sipher> hp
[14:38] <Ken8521> wubi.. the official virus of Linux
[14:38] <Ken8521> sipher, can you get baack to Windows?
[14:39] <sipher> Ken8521: I use it on a few systems. The other machines had similar problems..but grub installed
[14:39] <sipher> Ken8521: Im in windows now :>
[14:39] <coc0nut> Do you have any important files on your Ubuntu partition?
[14:39] <Ken8521> sipher, if it were me, i'd uninstall wubi, chalk it as a loss, and do a clena install of 10.04 if thats what you want to do.
[14:39] <coc0nut> Same.
[14:39] <sipher> bah
[14:39] <sipher> IIm not doing that.
[14:39] <sipher> I can solve this :>
[14:39] <Ken8521> then why'd you come here?
[14:39] <sipher> to ask questions..
[14:39] <coc0nut> Ken8521: To ask for help on solving the problem his way.
[14:39] <sipher> maybe someone has had a similar issue
[14:40] <sipher> and..
[14:40] <sipher> why offer wubi if its "broken"
[14:40] <coc0nut> I'd help you but I've never used Wubi.
[14:40] <sipher> it works fine.
[14:40] <sipher> grub2 won't isntall.
[14:40] <sipher> thats it.
[14:40] <Ken8521> coc0nut, i always love when someone has a question, gets an answer, but insists thats not right.
[14:40] <sipher> and wtf?....is this windows? Since when do you resort to re-installing an operating system ?
[14:40] <Ken8521> i don't use wubi either.. i thought it used the windows boot loader though, not grub.
[14:40] <sipher> Ken8521: it isn't right.
[14:40] <coc0nut> Ken8521: It's not an answer, it's one solution out of several.
[14:40] <sipher> thats not an option for busness users n such.
[14:41] <sipher> I don't want to re-install =/
[14:41] <sipher> wtf kinda solution is that. :p
[14:41] <Ken8521> sipher, since you used a stupid ass hack to install Linux.. use your brain, and install linux like normal people
[14:41] <sipher> its not a hack!
[14:41] <sipher> its officially support by ubuntu
[14:41] <coc0nut> Ken8521: There is really no need to be rude.
[14:41] <Pici> Can everyone please mind their attitude here.
[14:41] <sipher> heck
[14:41] <Ken8521> coc0nut, i'm not being rude.
[14:41] <sipher> wubi.exe is provided on the ubuntu install cd's :p
[14:41] <Ken8521> trust me..lol
[14:41] <Cajun_Lan_Man> I see I walked in on wubi problems. I missed the initial problem, but I will throw in that wubi never seems to stay stable for me. A few weeks in it always seems to die. File system corruption, if I had to guess.
[14:42] <Ken8521> Cajun_Lan_Man, blasphemy, ubuntu puts it on th cd!
[14:42] <sipher> blah. The only issue I have is..
[14:42] <sipher> grub did not install.
[14:42] <sipher> I can still boot from a grub cd
[14:42] <Pici> Ken8521: wubi is a supported install method, please keep your opinions about it to yourself.
[14:42] <coc0nut> Is there any way to force grub to re-install from an Ubuntu CD?
[14:42] <sipher> I did dpkg-reconfigure grb-pc
[14:42] <Ken8521> Pici, lol
[14:42] <sipher> grub-pc
[14:42] <sipher> and well..it detects all the OS's installed
[14:42] <sipher> does not give error
[14:42] <sipher> but when I reboot ..
[14:42] <coc0nut> Ok, it works from a CD then?
[14:42] <coc0nut> Just not the hard disk?
[14:43] <sipher> I think the error is related to a missing font file
[14:43] <sipher> coc0nut: I use the CD to boot the HD
[14:43] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Ken8521, haha!
[14:44] <sipher> hrm. Is there a way to force the upgrade to run again?
[14:44] <coc0nut> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=521388
[14:44] <coc0nut> That thread *might* help..
[14:44] <coc0nut> sipher: If you boot from a Lucid CD you can upgrade from that.
[14:45] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Well, let me see if I can squeeze a side question in here.  Has anyone in here purchased music from the Ubuntu One store yet?
[14:45] <sipher> seems helpul :>
[14:45] <coc0nut> Nope.
[14:45] <sipher> coc0nut: A Wubi install tho?
[14:45] <Ken8521> Cajun_Lan_Man, naa, i installed Frostwire
[14:45] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Frostwire?
[14:45] <bazhang> !piracy > Ken8521
[14:45] <Cajun_Lan_Man> I was going to say
[14:45] <coc0nut> AFAIK, once Wubi installs Ubuntu on a separate partition, it should be considered just a normal Ubuntu installation
[14:45] <Ken8521> i buy music on amazon as well.
[14:45] <coc0nut> But I might be wrong
[14:46] <bazhang> Ken8521, lets keep it on topic here please
[14:46] <coc0nut> Again, no Wubi experience here =/
[14:46] <sipher> heh
[14:46] <Cajun_Lan_Man> not interested.  I much prefer the pristine encoding of legit tunes. :-)
[14:46] <Ken8521> i thought wubi installed on a virtual drive.
[14:46] <sipher> the only think different about wubi is it mounts the disk as a looopback filesystem
[14:46] <sipher> Ken8521: its sorta a virtual drive
[14:46] <Ken8521> actally Cajun_Lan_Man i buy most of my music, that was my poor attempt at humor.
[14:46] <Ken8521> sipher, it is or it isn't... not sorta
[14:47] <alvin> !piracy
[14:47] <Cajun_Lan_Man> Anywho, I just bought my first song last night, and got a receipt for it in my e-mail. However, the song seems to be stuck in "transferring" to my Ubuntu One account.
[14:47] <alvin> lol, I only wanted to see what ubottu said about that
[14:47] <jpds> Cajun_Lan_Man: Try asking #ubuntuone
[14:47] <sipher> Ken8521: IT's a loopback filesystem....so essentially its a file on a windows partition that is ext4 formated.
[14:47] <Ken8521> !msgthebot > alvin
[14:47] <alvin> but Frostwire in itself is no illegal software. It is perfectly legitime to discuss this
[14:48] <Cajun_Lan_Man> jpds, I'll give that a shot. Thanks.
[14:48] <coc0nut> sipher: Yeah, you're right, it is
[14:48] <sipher> Ken8521: when you mount the windows disk you can see your root disk in the ubuntu folder.
[14:48] <Ken8521> alvin, yeah, it's all in what you use it for.
[14:48] <alvin> Exactly
[14:48] <sipher> the ONLY difference is the parameters passed to grub at boot time.
[14:48] <sipher> i.e. mount the loopback fs.
[14:49] <coc0nut> http://calamari.wordpress.com/2009/12/01/fixing-a-broken-wubi-grub-after-ubuntu-updates/
[14:49] <phillw> hi, are we any where nearer a fix for the huwaei 3G modems ? It seems more threads are popping up :-(
[14:49] <sipher> coc0nut: :>
[14:49] <sipher> coc0nut: that doc is missing stuff
[14:50] <coc0nut> sipher: How so?
[14:50] <Ken8521> lol
[14:50] <sipher> you need to prepend
[14:50] <sipher> set root=(hd0,1)
[14:50] <sipher> loopback loop /ubuntu/disks/root.disk
[14:50] <sipher> then the commands below.
[14:50] <ChogyDan> sipher: what about this link?  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/WubiGuide#How can I access the Wubi files from Windows?
[14:50] <sipher> er or in the link
[14:50] <ChogyDan> oops, that didn't quite work
[14:51] <sipher> ChogyDan: I'm not sure you'll be able to.
[14:51] <sipher> ChogyDan: you might be able to use cygwin to mount the loopback FS
[14:52] <sipher> hrm.
[14:53] <sipher> be back :>
[14:53] <sipher> gona go try what you posted coc0nut
[15:09] <sipher> No go coc0nut
[15:09] <sipher> =/
[15:09] <coc0nut> =/
[15:10] <sipher> Im in linux now tho
[15:10] <coc0nut> grub from CD?
[15:10] <sipher> yes, booting the kernel from disk.
[15:10] <sipher> hard disk
[15:10] <sipher> OpenBSD core.ifconfig.se 4.6 GENERIC#58 i386
[15:10] <sipher> err
[15:10] <sipher> lol
[15:10] <sipher> wo0pz I tought I was on the box. *sips the coffee*
[15:11] <coc0nut> Espionage.
[15:11] <sipher> hrm.
[15:11] <coc0nut> All I can think of is running an upgrade again from a Lucid live CD
[15:11] <coc0nut> But I really have no idea because I've never used Wubi
[15:12] <sipher> again wubi is the EXACT same thing.
[15:12] <sipher> heh another thing to note..
[15:13] <sipher> the upgrade failed on 2 different machines
[15:13] <sipher> the same way.
[15:14] <sipher> there are 20 or so laptops here in the office running the same setup :>
[15:14]  * sipher will be a saviour for all the poor saps that upgrade
[15:14] <sipher> lol
[15:25] <h00k> So, I think Chromium-Browser just mem-leaked and ate up what was left of my 3gb of ram
[15:25] <Ken8521> lol
[15:26] <h00k> If somebody could take a look at my dmesg, I'd appreciate it, so I know where to file it: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/419276/
[15:27] <h00k> I also have my xsession-errors
[15:28] <Ian_Corne> what exactly are we looking for h00k ?
[15:28] <jpds> Ian_Corne: Peter Pan?
[15:28] <h00k> Ian_Corne: I have no idea. Any clue of what might have happened?
[15:28] <Ian_Corne> as far as I can see you're just oom
[15:28] <Ian_Corne> [52835.811807] Out of memory: kill process 6248 (chromium-browse) score 14052928 or a child
[15:29] <h00k> Ian_Corne: that's what it looked like, and I don't know if it kills the offending 'leaker' or just a random process
[15:29] <h00k> I can't get any information when it happens because it really slows down
[15:29] <h00k> if I just let it sit, it resolves itself (like it did) and everything is ifne
[15:30] <h00k> *fine.  I also tried to ssh in and get some info, but was unable to
[15:30] <Ian_Corne> Well, you can create some swap
[15:30] <Ian_Corne> and check which is actually using so much ram
[15:31] <Ian_Corne> how much memory do you have?
[15:31] <h00k> Ian_Corne: 3GiB
[15:31] <Ian_Corne> what other processes do you have running that consume so much ram?
[15:31] <h00k> chromium-browser, empathy, gnome-terminal.
[15:31] <Ian_Corne> I've noticed evolution used to take alot of memory after a while
[15:31] <alvin> You have a lot of these in dmesg: "swapper: page allocation failure"
[15:31] <sipher> how do I force a package to install?
[15:32] <h00k> alvin: right, because the mem is full.
[15:32] <h00k> I never use swap because I never touch all 3gb of my mem.
[15:32] <Ian_Corne> and I didn't even use evolution
[15:32] <alvin> Are you sure that is the cause of these messages?
[15:33] <h00k> alvin: swapper, I'm assuming is trying to use swap, and can't because I don't have any swap.
[15:33] <alvin> Ah, you should have swap. No reason not to have it. Your system can crash without it.
[15:33] <sipher> alvin: if you run out of memory and have no swap =/ trouble.
[15:34] <ChogyDan> h00k: I think the last time I tested this,  without swap, my computer would crash when it ran oom, but would be fine if I had swap, (and used up all memory including swap)
[15:34] <Ian_Corne> And with it too but swap is also used to free memory for caching
[15:34] <h00k> alvin: I never use all of my memory so swap is silly for me.
[15:34] <alvin> h00k: Not having swap is silly, even if you don't use all of your memory
[15:35] <Ken8521> that's always been my position as well... swap, while usually not necessary for most users, you should still have it "just in case"
[15:35] <alvin> Most people don't use all their memory. Having swap will not slow down your system. It's used when tmpfs is full, when caching goes wrong, to store kernel dumps, etc,...
[15:36] <alvin> I have 2GB ram. If I enable an IMAP resource in Akonadi, my swap will be >700MB in a few minutes. Without swap, the system would have crashed
[15:36] <Ian_Corne> h00k: I've been told that the offending process is most likely to be killed
[15:36] <Ian_Corne> and seeing it's chromium every time..
[15:37] <alvin> If you have LVM snapshots (like I do), and do some I/O on your disk, it can also fill swap because of caching
[15:37] <Ian_Corne> the program with the biggest memory use and least calls to that memory gets killed
[15:37] <h00k> Ian_Corne: I suppose that is what I'm looking for, I know what to file it against
[15:37] <alvin> Ian_Corne: If the kernel runs out of virtual memory, it will first swap, then kill the process that takes most memory. That could be bad too.
[15:38] <alvin> It might not be the most elegant solution, but I can't think of a better one.
[15:38] <h00k> Some people say swap should be 1/2 your mem, some say the same size, some say double.
[15:39] <h00k> and 6GiB is a lot off my laptop storage space
[15:39] <ChogyDan> h00k: I think double is from the old windows days
[15:39] <alvin> Yes, that depends on whether or not you want dumps of your memory when your kernel panics.
[15:39] <coc0nut> Hard disks are so cheap these days, I'd say double your RAM
[15:39] <Roasted> is there a way to change the terminal background color?
[15:39] <coc0nut> GNOME terminal?
[15:39] <Ian_Corne> [52719.831349] Out of memory: kill process 6158 (chromium-browse) score 14251200 or a child
[15:39] <ChogyDan> h00k: I think it is that you should have at least 1g total (mem+swap) and then after that, equal to support hibernation
[15:40] <coc0nut> Roasted: In GNOME terminal, Edit -> Profile Preferences
[15:40] <h00k> alvin: for that, I've just used netconsole.
[15:40] <Roasted> coc0nut, nice. I like the trasnparency though - can I change it to a different color and retain transparency?
[15:41] <Roasted> nevermind. got it. :P
[15:41] <h00k> ChogyDan: yeah, I don't use hibernation, that isn't a concern for me
[15:41] <alvin> I don't know that. You can send crash dumps of memory over network when the kernel panics? Sounds a bit weird to me.
[15:41] <Ian_Corne> h00k: 1/2 swap
[15:41] <Ian_Corne> I think it's because hibernation uses swap
[15:42] <h00k> alvin: yes, I used that to find out that my L2 Cache on my proc was bad.
[15:42] <Ian_Corne> so if you have double, you should be able to hibernate :)
[15:42] <ChogyDan> h00k: fwiw, I have 2g, and I don't use swap
[15:42] <alvin> cool
[15:42] <Reckon> can't install grubaker2, any clue?
[15:42] <DASPRiD> alvin, you could read out the memory with firewire when the kenel panics
[15:42] <alvin> I forgot about hibernation. That too.
[15:42] <Roasted> Is there a way I can crack open more advanced preferences with editing the Ambiance theme? I want to make a color change to the top panel color, so I'd like to figure out how to edit themes accordingly.
[15:42] <h00k> ChogyDan: yeah, with 3, I don't swap (ovbiously)
[15:43] <alvin> DASPRiD: I didn't know that, but most of my servers don't have firewire.
[15:43] <DASPRiD> well just a random thought :)
[15:44] <alvin> Hmm, h00k. 3GB is not much to use without swap. See here: Swap:         3811        669       3142 (That is on a computer with 32GB ram)
[15:44] <alvin> that's 669 MB swap in use
[15:44] <h00k> alvin: what is the use of that machine/how much mem is used (not including cache)
[15:45] <alvin> The machine is a virtual host and currently has 3 active virtual machines. (small ones) 19765/32241MB
[15:46] <h00k> alvin: this was my log when I found with netconsole that my L2 was bad: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/302528/
[15:47] <alvin> Interesting program. I have to look into it. But not now. have to leave immediately
[15:47]  * alvin is off. Quasselcore remains.
[15:47] <h00k> alvin: for reference: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Netconsole
[15:54] <Roasted> Is there a way I can crack open more advanced preferences with editing the Ambiance theme? I want to make a color change to the top panel color, so I'd like to figure out how to edit themes accordingly.
[15:55] <sipher> soo uh, I'm sure this is a bug.
[15:56] <sipher> grub2 doesn't fails to load.
[15:56] <sipher> all packages have been upgraded, all is well....but I have to boot from CD
[15:56] <sipher> I do not get a grub> prompt.
[15:56] <sipher> I've dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
[15:57] <sipher> 1000000000 times.
[15:57] <ChogyDan> sipher: grub 2?  have you tried grub legacy?  I don't know how you would set that up
[15:57] <ChogyDan> sipher: did you try grub-install and update-grub?
[15:57] <sipher> ChogyDan: I haven't. But I think im going to since this is not working.
[15:57] <sipher> yes i have.
[15:57] <sipher> still fails.
[15:57] <sipher> I can't see the error.
[15:58] <sipher> it reboots immediately.
[15:59] <sipher> is there anyway to force grub to pause?
[15:59] <sipher> lol
[16:00] <sipher> I think it is complaining about a font file...
[16:00] <sipher> font file not found. ?
[16:04] <bushbaby> sipher: to pause grub at startup edit menu.lst (/boot/grub), the commands are commented and reasonably self-explanatory
[16:05] <sipher> bushbaby: it doesn't get to the menu
[16:05] <sipher> it fails before that.
[16:05] <sipher> I think i found some documentation.
[16:06] <bushbaby> sipher: are you using grub or grub2? also prehaps try reinstalling using a livecd?
[16:08] <sipher> bushbaby: re-installing is not an option.
[16:08] <sipher> why does everyone sugest that?
[16:08] <sipher> is this windows?
[16:08] <sipher> :p
[16:08] <sipher> brb
[16:08] <popey> sipher: he means reinstalling grub
[16:08] <bushbaby> sipher: how do you mean not an option?
[16:08] <popey> bah
[16:08] <popey> bushbaby: he thinks you meant a full ubuntu reinstall I suspect
[16:09] <bushbaby> popey: thanks for clarifying :P
[16:09] <popey> bit late unfortunately
[16:09] <bushbaby> indeed..
[16:09] <Ken8521> he was trying to reinstall grub on a wubi install, and wasn't having any luck
[16:09]  * h00k now has swap.
[16:10]  * Ken8521 takes all of h00k's swap
[16:11] <bushbaby> Ken8521: Oh I see. can't he get to file directories through windows? C:\Ubuntu ?? Having not used wubi before I'm not sure so this is just a suggestion
[16:12] <IRConan> bushbaby: no... it makes a partition in a file on the windows partition
[16:13] <Ken8521> bushbaby, ive not used it either, but i don't think so.. pretty sure its stored on a virtual drive.
[16:13] <Urda> Wubi confuses me :\ I just dual boot :)
[16:13] <bushbaby> Urda: Or use straight linux.. :)
[16:14] <IRConan> wubi is a dual boot
[16:14] <Urda> bushbaby: I blame USA Track and Field ... all the software needs Windows :\
[16:14] <IRConan> it just uses a very clever bootloader
[16:14] <Ken8521> lol
[16:14] <Urda> bushbaby: I also play a lot of Steam games ...
[16:14] <Urda> IRConan: Well OK I'm mistaken then... but still! *shakes fists*
[16:14] <bushbaby> IRConan: I assumed it just installed to Windows and called it on boot?
[16:14] <bushbaby> Urda: wine?
[16:15] <Urda> bushbaby: These USA Track and Field finish line camera and scoring apps complain a lot in wine ... too much risk for running in a live event :\
[16:15] <Urda> bushbaby: So I just dual Boot 10.04 and Win 7 Pro, both do their thing :)
[16:16] <IRConan> bushbaby: it makes a huge file in the windows filesystem which it makes an ext partition in, it then uses a clever bootloader to use this partition as the root filesystem
[16:16] <IRConan> presumably there is a virtual storage driver which allows a file on NTFS to be used as a kernel block device too
[16:16] <sipher> arg.
[16:17] <Ken8521> IRConan, when it works, all is well... when it decides to STB, you're in trouble
[16:17] <uaa> any one knows how to follow the mouse in ffmpeg recording?
[16:17] <IRConan> Ken8521: STB?
[16:18] <IRConan> Ken8521: lol
[16:18] <bushbaby> IRConan: seems awfully inefficent to me.. why not dualboot?
[16:18] <IRConan> bushbaby: it's ideal for testing since it avoids the need for ntfs resize
[16:18] <Urda> bushbaby: That's what I'm saying!
[16:18] <Ken8521> bushbaby, honestly, i think wubi is really good for *trying* linux... but keeping it that way, when you use both OS's regularly, i think is a bad idea
[16:18] <Urda> :)
[16:19] <sipher> naw
[16:19] <sipher> wubi rocks.
[16:19] <Urda> Ken8521: Persistent Live USB stick FTW
[16:19] <sipher> Ken8521: it is no different than a regular install.
[16:19] <Ken8521> lol, says the guy w/ a broken system..
[16:19] <sipher> same packages.
[16:19] <sipher> same kernel.
[16:19] <sipher> Ken8521: Im booted.
[16:19] <sipher> simply grub isn't installing.
[16:19] <Dr_Willis> wubi rocks in the way that boats do .. and makes one seasick
[16:19] <sipher> thats hardly wubi's fault.
[16:20] <Ken8521> sipher, i don't think anyone has disputed that its not hte Same OS.. it simply runs on a virtual hard drive, as opposed to having partitioned space.
[16:20] <sipher> so why would it be a bad idea to use wubi on a regular basis?
[16:20] <Ken8521> all i know if grub were to bork out on my system... i can reinstall it from a live cd in about 2min...
[16:20] <bushbaby> Ken8521: Similar to a virtual machine but in windows ntfs space? just to get my head around it..
[16:20] <Ken8521> sipher, well its working out great for you.
[16:21] <Ken8521> bushbaby, yeah, sorta like that
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> ive seen so many people have soooo many problems with wubi.. and often they are VERY hard to fix
[16:21] <gunksta> Does Wubi take a performance hit, since it's running on a virtual drive?
[16:21] <sipher> Ken8521: you can run into issues with the partition installed just the same.
[16:21] <Ken8521> sipher, like?
[16:21] <joaopinto> bushbaby, not, it's a real machine, the only virtual piece is the filesystem stored in an ntfs file
[16:21] <Dr_Willis> gunksta:  ive never heard it taking a big hit.. but it has to take a little bit of a hit :)
[16:21] <sipher> Ken8521: grub not installing ? :p
[16:21] <Ken8521> sipher, never had that happen.. ever
[16:21] <sipher> Ken8521: from what ive been reading you get the same issue .
[16:22] <sipher> Ken8521: you're a newb then :p
[16:22] <Ken8521> lol.. i've been using Ubuntu since 6.06, and started w/ Fedora 3-4
[16:22] <sipher> if you fear wubi because it uses a "
[16:22] <sipher> virtual disk" =/
[16:22] <Ken8521> i don't *fear* it..
[16:22] <sipher> sure sounds like it.
[16:23] <Ken8521> no.... you can't see the forest because you're blinded by the trees
[16:23] <sipher> right.
[16:23] <joaopinto> wubi is a nice project, but it doesn't seem to get much attention, there has been sevel problems on the last releases
[16:23] <joaopinto> like kernel upgrades rendering the wubi system unbootable
[16:23] <Dr_Willis> ive seen a few other disrtos using wubi also.
[16:23] <bushbaby> sipher: I don't think anyone fears it , I just think it would be easier to dual boot if you're using Ubuntu regularly. saves you these issues
[16:24] <Reckon> Is there any known issue regarding the screensaver? Sometimes, when the session gets locked due inactivity, the login screen is not displayed. The screensaver stays on top, however I'm able to type the password and get back to the desktop
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> another neat project is 'anlinux' and another one i forget. they setup ubuntu/linux with colinux  - where you can run  your linux apps on your windows desktop rather transparently.
[16:24] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, as i said above, i think its great for doing a test install, making sure everything is smooth, maybe using a few days, etc.. but if you want to keep both OS's, mypersonal opinio is, they need to be separate
[16:24] <Reckon> Hello Dr_Willis
[16:24] <Dr_Willis> I test mine in virtualbox. :)
[16:24] <sipher> Dr_Willis: :>
[16:25] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, test your what?.. installs?
[16:25] <Ken8521> i don't do much testing w/ vbox, but have had XP and 7 running very smooth in Vbox.
[16:25] <sipher> the ease of installation, the non-destructive use of linux. gota love wubi.
[16:25] <Dr_Willis> I test out live cd's and other new disrtos in vbox normally
[16:25] <Reckon> vbox rocks!
[16:25] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, right..
[16:25] <Urda> I use VMWare :
[16:25] <Ken8521> i've done that as well, keeps you from burning a cd
[16:26] <Urda> :)
[16:26] <bushbaby> Dr_Willis: VirtualBox is definatly a good place to learn i agree
[16:26] <bushbaby> sipher: non-destructive?
[16:26] <Ken8521> bushbaby, :)
[16:27] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen/heard of wubi self-desctucting too many times.. but that could bedue to the users doing somthing.. weird
[16:27] <joaopinto> sipher, linux is non-descructive by nature :)
[16:27] <sipher> bushbaby: easy to recover if it does fail. no re-partitioning.
[16:27] <joaopinto> sipher, a failure on a regular install does not require re-partitioning
[16:27] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, could even be the fact its so tightly intertwined w/ something coming out of Redmond.
[16:27] <sipher> Dr_Willis: it did not damage the existing instalation of windows im sure of it.
[16:27] <sipher> joaopinto: during the installation it does.
[16:28] <Ken8521> joaopinto, i've tried to tell him that, if grub was hosed on my system, i'd reinstall it i about 2min
[16:28] <sipher> joaopinto: and uhh, if the entire drive is NTFS then =/
[16:28] <joaopinto> sipher, you know about ntfs resize right :) ?
[16:28] <sipher> Ken8521: not everyone can re-install twice a day. kthanks
[16:28] <joaopinto> sipher, you call resize = destroy :) ?
[16:28] <Ken8521> twice a day?
[16:28] <Ken8521> lol
[16:28] <sipher> joaopinto: I'm speaking in context of lets say my gf using it.
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> sipher: Ive seen wubi users do so many strange things with wubi that  its hard to tell whats a bug and whats a 'problem exists between keyboard and chair' :)
[16:28] <sipher> Ken8521: re-install is a windows solution :p
[16:29] <bushbaby> sipher: Surely reinstalling grub from cd is a very rare occurance?
[16:29] <sipher> Dr_Willis: you are confused as to what wubi is an how it works.
[16:29] <sipher> bushbaby: hardly.
[16:29] <joaopinto> sipher, why should your gf need to re-partition ? how is that different from your gf installing wubi ?
[16:29] <Ken8521> bushbaby, only time i've had to do it, is on dual boot machines when i had to reinstall Windows
[16:29] <Dr_Willis> sipher:  i knwo what wubi is.. and ive seen  wubi users do some odd things to their system
[16:29] <sipher> joaopinto: wubi does no resize the partition, or modifiy the volume in anyway
[16:29] <Dr_Willis> wubi may not be to blame.. but it may be the users fault.
[16:29] <sipher> Dr_Willis: that are any different from a regular install ?
[16:29] <joaopinto> sipher, right, and you do it 1 time, with a regular install, what's the issue there ?
[16:30] <sipher> Dr_Willis: how would it be different than a regular install?
[16:30] <sipher> joaopinto: You're again taking it out of context.
[16:30] <bushbaby> sipher: harldy? what are you doing to it? grub doesn't just fail regularly..
[16:30] <sipher> anyway.
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> sipher:  You dont know and you think im confused about wubi? or did i muss somthing.
[16:30] <joaopinto> is grub used on wubi ?
[16:30] <sipher> bushbaby: when upgrade or installing, yes it is common (atleast in my experience) for grub to fail
[16:30] <sipher> joaopinto: yes, but it doesn't remove the NTLOader
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> lets see the offiical wubi factoid.
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> !wubi
[16:31] <anj> Why am I seeing "cannot examine encrypted directory" before console logins?
[16:31] <Ken8521> joaopinto, honestly, i thought it made an entry in ntloader, not grub necessarily.. but like i said, i've never used it
[16:31] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: yes
[16:31] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  yea. i thought that chainloaded grub.. but i cant rember now.
[16:31] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, it may very well...
[16:31] <joaopinto> so it's grub's fault :P
[16:31] <sipher> Ken8521: exactly. It adds the ubuntu option the the nt loader.
[16:32] <Ken8521> sipher, so where is grub coming into play in  this whole discussion of wubi?
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> if you updated grub from within wubi and put grub on the MBR.. well grub dosent boot wubi directly.. so i can see that being an issue.
[16:32] <sipher> iono
[16:32] <Ken8521> does ntloader chain link to grub?
[16:32] <joaopinto> sipher, file a bug on grub
[16:32] <bushbaby> Dr_Willis: with windows not playing well at boot i would have thought it chainloaded grub seperately but I've never used it either so i have no idea..
[16:32] <sipher> the conversation is lost.
[16:32] <Dr_Willis> I dont even recall the original problem now.
[16:33] <Ken8521> sipher, when you choose ubuntu(whien things are working properly), does it take you to another menu, to choose ubuntu again, or do you go straight to ubuntu?
[16:33] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, afaik you don't see the real disk, so grub just install regurlarly on the wubi virtual disk
[16:33] <bushbaby> I think he updated something in a wubi install and grub has failed him?
[16:33] <Reckon> I can't install grubaker2, any help on this please? Or an alternative?
[16:33] <sipher> Ken8521: no. it fails with error. I don't have time to read the error. it reboots.
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> joaopinto:  so the windows loader has to chainload the grub on the virt disk.
[16:33] <Ken8521> sipher, i'm takling about when things are working properly
[16:33] <Dr_Willis> bbl
[16:33] <sipher> yes it does.
[16:33] <joaopinto> Reckon, what is "grubaker2" ?
[16:33] <Ken8521> ok, thats what i was worndering, so its chain loaded
[16:33] <pmatulis> about to d/l 310 MB of updates, any issues mates?
[16:34] <Ken8521> now.. again.. this is just my thinking.. but it sounds like grub, is actually on the "mbr" of the virtual drive... thus why he can't get to it from a normal live cd
[16:34] <Reckon> joaopinto: a graphical tool to help with Grub2
[16:35] <joaopinto> Reckon, ah ok, never used it
[16:35] <sipher> Ken8521: I'm booted into the OS now. I've tried re-installing grub every which way
[16:35] <Reckon> any alternative?
[16:35] <Ken8521> sipher, booted into windows, or wubi-ubuntu?
[16:35] <bushbaby> sipher: how did you get in? did it just start working?
[16:35] <sipher> Ken8521: ubuntu
[16:35] <sipher> I used a grub CD
[16:35] <Ken8521> ow did you get in?
[16:35] <sipher> I booted grub from cd...then booted the kernel from HD
[16:36] <Ken8521> sipher, ok, so you got around it... but the problem is not fixed yet, right?
[16:36] <sipher> nope./
[16:36] <bushbaby> sipher: does your install register grub as being installed at the moment?
[16:36] <sipher> dpkg-reconfigure grub-pc
[16:36] <sipher> finishes without error
[16:36] <sipher> but has no effect.
[16:36] <Ken8521> what about sudo update-grub
[16:37] <sipher> Ken8521: updates everything
[16:37] <sipher> but when i reboot
[16:37] <Ken8521> maybe when you upgraded, grub didn't update properly
[16:37] <sipher> same  =/
[16:37] <sipher> Ken8521: heh i'm assuming so.
[16:37] <sipher> it never gave any errors.
[16:37] <bushbaby> sipher: try remove grub completely and reinstalling from the grub CD?
[16:37] <sipher> bushbaby: the grub cd is not grub version2 2
[16:37] <Ken8521> bushbaby, but can grub write to the mbr, of a virtual drive?
[16:37] <Ken8521> *grub cd
[16:38] <jMyles> I'm having a weird experience after having upgraded to lucid - I am in some kind of half-upgraded limbo.  I've upgraded 4 other computers, no problem, but my home computer is being a little odd.  The max/inimize buttons are still in the upper-right.  None of the lucid themes appear.  Vuze won't work.  At first, I got a grub_puts error but running grub-install fixed that.  Any suggestions?
[16:38] <sipher> Ken8521: yes it can. I did the exact same upgrade on another wubi system.
[16:38] <sipher> no problems.
[16:38] <Ken8521> sipher, then you should be able to fix this no problem.
[16:38] <sipher> I know =/
[16:38] <sipher> thats the problem!
[16:38] <bushbaby> Ken8521: If he's already in ubuntu the mounted cd will write to the virtual drive i assume?
[16:38] <sipher> its not working
[16:38] <sipher> lulz
[16:38] <sipher> bushbaby: Ive tried that..
[16:38] <bushbaby> sipher: what happens?
[16:39] <sipher> moutning the virutal disk ..installing grub
[16:39] <sipher> no errors.. =/
[16:39] <Ken8521> bushbaby, it should...
[16:39] <sipher> reboot fail.
[16:39] <bushbaby> sipher: have you tried removing grub?
[16:39] <sipher> no
[16:39] <bushbaby> sipher: then doing a fresh install.
[16:39] <Ken8521> lol
[16:40] <bushbaby> sipher: of grub that is. not ubuntu
[16:40] <iconmefisto> sipher: have you checked your ntfs partition in windows for errors? (chkdsk)
[16:40] <sipher> iconmefisto: its fine.
[16:40] <sipher> bushbaby: how?
[16:40] <bushbaby> sipher: how to remove grub you mean?
[16:40] <sipher> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2#File Not Found (Error 15)
[16:41] <sipher> I think this is the error I'm receiving.
[16:41] <sipher> but again...
[16:41] <sipher> I can't read the message.
[16:41] <joaopinto> jMyles, run do-release-upgrade on a terminal
[16:41] <bushbaby> sipher: i guess you'd use apt-get remove but i've never had to do it.. so i'm not sure..
[16:41] <sipher> I'm sure I can revert to the legacy grub, but i'd like to stay inline with the 10.04 release.
[16:41] <jMyles> joaopinto, "No new release found"
[16:42] <bushbaby> sipher: you can upgrade to the grub2 release once you have the original grub working
[16:42] <joaopinto> jMyles, sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[16:42] <sipher> be back
[16:42] <BUGabundo_remote> tui
[16:43] <Ken8521> man that cat is hard headed.
[16:43] <bushbaby> lol
[16:43] <jMyles> joaopinto, Nothing.  Everything up to date.
[16:45] <bushbaby> jMyles: did you select the settings transfer option on install? could be related..
[16:48] <iconmefisto> jMyles: sudo do-release-upgrade -d
[17:00] <scott_ino2> have they modified the release schedule at all?
[17:00] <kklimonda> no, why?
[17:04] <scott_ino2> kklimonda, was curious, I know there were still many major issues that needed to be resolved
[17:05] <kklimonda> as always :)
[17:05] <scott_ino2> most distros don't have tentative release dates... and things usually get pushed back
[17:05] <scott_ino2> thats all
[17:05] <mifritscher> hi
[17:05] <mifritscher> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/dbus/+bug/567193 <- I'm the only person who has this problem?
[17:06] <mifritscher> it's very vervous if e.g. the laptop crashes - or the batteries run out of power
[17:07] <arunreddy> hi All,  How to enable / activate nvidia driver in 10.04 Lucid Lynx ??
[17:07] <benkong2> anyone aware of a fix for gcursor not working?
[17:07] <charlie-tca> arunreddy: use hardware drivers to install
[17:08] <arunreddy> i tried installing nvidia-glx-185
[17:08] <arunreddy> charlie-tca : it says, driver currently activated but not in use
[17:08] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:09] <charlie-tca> before the install, right?
[17:09] <arunreddy> after the install.
[17:09] <mifritscher> arunreddy: is this the right version for your gpu?
[17:09] <charlie-tca> restart the computer, it is installed
[17:09] <arunreddy> i have restarted the computer. Still the same issue
[17:10] <mifritscher> I think that are are at least 3 "current" versions of the driver, you need the older ones if you have an older card
[17:10] <benkong2> i got 195.36.15 working
[17:10] <arunreddy> i have a geforce 8600M GT
[17:11] <arunreddy> am i supposed to deactivate the inbuilt nouvea driver ?
[17:12] <charlie-tca> jockey should have done that
[17:12] <nand`> Is usb-creator.exe included with Ubuntu 10.04 and if so where on the .iso do I find it?
[17:12] <gnomefreak> arthurjohnson: use jockey to install drivers than restart
[17:12] <charlie-tca> noahrwccodM1
[17:12] <gnomefreak> i thought it was .deb and yes by default as i recall
[17:12] <charlie-tca> so there?!
[17:15] <arunreddy> !info nvidia-settings
[17:15] <nand`> Otherwise, what's the best alternative to usb-creator.exe? I have the fedora LiveUSB Creator, will that work with Ubuntu or is it named Fedora for a reason?
[17:16] <scott_ino2> nand`, chances are they're all built off of the same thing
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> thres various tools that can make usb live boot  things.. Unetbootin works very well.. theres others as well
[17:17] <Dr_Willis> pendrivelinux.com has guides and info also
[17:18] <nand`> Dr_Willis, thanks, I'll check it out. I was wary of using the site since I thought it was solely for installing linux on a flash drive, which is the exact opposite of what I'm trying to do
[17:18] <thebishop> I don't have a "Touchpad" tab in my mouse preferences, but multitouch features are enabled by default.  Can anyone point me in the direction of Disable Touchpad while typing?
[17:18] <Dr_Willis> nand`:  whatare you trying to do then?
[17:18] <nand`> Dr_Willis, install linux *from* a flash drive, onto my hard drive. I have no optical media device inside my system
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> nand`:  you just use unetbootin and the iso file.. make a bootable usb stick.. boot it.. use the installer...
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> nand`:  thats how i install all my systems
[17:19] <nand`> Dr_Willis, alright, thanks.
[17:19] <Dr_Willis> Unetbootin takes about 5-10 min to make the usb stick.
[17:19] <scott_ino2> Any transcode users in here? wondering about the current status of transcode/dvdrip in lucid
[17:19] <scott_ino2> for 64 bit
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> scott_ino2:  care to clarify a bit more?
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> I transcode and rip dvd. :) so 'it works'
[17:20] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, basically dvdrip doesn't work on 64-bit
[17:20] <scott_ino2> Transcode hangs when starting the second pass
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.  I was thinking i used  that the other day and it did.. but that may been on 32bit.. i dont recall.
[17:20] <Dr_Willis> I did have issues getting Handbrake working
[17:21] <Dr_Willis> I also saw a new tool called 'ogmrip' i saw on  a linux tutorial site
[17:21] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, yeah i tihnk with 32 bit there's a way to work around the problems... so im thinking it's a transcoding issue. Do you have 64bit dvdrip installed, if you do it would be nice if others could post on the bug that's already made
[17:24] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, I need to actually use dvdrip/transcode for a variety of reasons, other programs like k9copy, ogmrip, handbrake wont work
[17:24] <scott_ino2> so I'm trying to get this bug recognized
[17:25] <scott_ino2> unfortunately, I am out of machines to do testing on :)
[17:28] <Reckon|AFK> does anybody know a graph tool to manage Grub2?
[17:29] <Dr_Willis> Reckon|AFK:  not seen any at this time
[17:30] <Dr_Willis> trying to figure out dvdrip now.. lol :)
[17:30] <jpds> Reckon|AFK: http://www2.apebox.org/wordpress/linux/233/
[17:30] <jpds> Oh, no, that's theming..
[17:30] <Reckon> I forgot to renick
[17:32] <Reckon> jpds, do you mean larval editor?
[17:32] <osmosis> if I install lucid today, how different will my install be from the final release ?
[17:32] <jpds> Reckon: Yeah, it seems to only be for GRUB2 themes though.
[17:33] <Reckon> wow, a shame. Such a tool needs a graph equivalent
[17:33] <marienz> osmosis: probably not very, and you'll just upgrade towards the final release
[17:34] <marienz> then again, it's not like there were zero updates over the last couple of days
[17:34] <benkong2> sysinfo
[17:34] <osmosis> marienz, there isnt going to be a major new theme dropped in to the final release, or all the release text changed or something like that? Just a few packages to update maybe?
[17:34] <charlie-tca> !final | osmosis
[17:35] <marienz> osmosis: definitely no text changes, since text changes means translations need updating, which is a lot of work (because there's a lot of translations)
[17:35] <osmosis> and if I havent installed lucid yet, but want to get it out of the way before the rush next week, what image should I install from now?
[17:35] <jpds> marienz: Archive's frozen.
[17:35] <marienz> osmosis: I'd also not expect any significant visual changes, since visual changes means screenshots need updating, which is also a lot of work (if a lot of screenshots are affected)
[17:36] <marienz> also, that :)
[17:36] <scott_ino2> osmosis, I'd just install the latest daily build
[17:37] <osmosis> what does 'archives frozen' mean?
[17:37] <rocco_tanica> hi folks, someone has the issue regarding chromium that don't shows thumbnails and history
[17:37] <rocco_tanica> ?
[17:37] <osmosis> scott_ino2, ok, thats what im doing
[17:37] <jpds> osmosis: No more package uploads unless they're critical bug fixes.
[17:37] <marienz> osmosis: might want to follow some links from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule (the ones describing the various kinds of freeze)
[17:37] <Reckon> scott_ino2: latest daily build using 'sudo apt-get dist-upgrade' ?
[17:38] <osmosis> is there a link to outstanding bugs remaining for lucid ?
[17:39] <jpds> osmosis: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid ?
[17:39] <jpds> osmosis: Not a definate list of course.
[17:39] <scott_ino2> Reckon, well that depends on what he wants to do
[17:40] <sveinse> Is there an apt link that we can use to update packages? My mirror (ftp.sunet.se) hasn't updated any lucid packages in two days!
[17:40] <om26er> sveinse, its called archive freeze
[17:40] <scott_ino2> sveinse, its frozen
[17:41] <joaopinto> sveinse, that's a good sign
[17:41] <sveinse> ah :D
[17:41] <sveinse> lol
[17:41] <Reckon> why is a good sign?
[17:41] <scott_ino2> yeah well..... transcode doesn't work and nobody will confirm that bug
[17:41]  * Dr_Willis thaws out the stuff
[17:41] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. dvdrip seems to be workign here scott_ino2
[17:41] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, on 64bit?
[17:41] <Dr_Willis> what was the eact problem? only crashed on the 2nd pass?
[17:41] <Dr_Willis> Yes on 64bit
[17:42] <scott_ino2> *sigh
[17:42] <scott_ino2> ok.. thanks for sticking with me
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> its on pass 1 for now.
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> The interface for dvb::rip  could use a little.. work. :) i was a tad confused as to how to do things. heh
[17:42] <scott_ino2> pass 1 works
[17:43] <sveinse> Is it bugreport-everything-you-find-suspicious? I mean, I found something this morning which IMHO shouldn't be that way
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> I got it set to do 2 pass.
[17:43] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, have you tried acidrip?... i think its quite a bit better
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> I rarely rip dvd to video.
[17:43] <jpds> sveinse: That mirror's fine: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+mirror/ftp.sunet.se-archive3
[17:43] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, me either, but what little I do, I've found acidrip far better
[17:43] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, can acidrip queue projects?
[17:43] <Reckon> Does it worth the money the book "Ubuntu Unleashed 2010 by Sams" ?
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> never used acid rip
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> Reckon:  most books ive seen like that. are not worth the price.
[17:44] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, ah i see Ken8521 said that
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> Reckon:  it depends on yoru needs.
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> !manual
[17:44] <sveinse> I get two very different renderings of the screen fonts when I select "slight" hinting or "full" hinting. See http://imagebin.org/93683 vs. http://imagebin.org/93684 - Is this something I should submit a bugreport on?
[17:45] <Ken8521> scott_ino2, i don't believe it can que
[17:45] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, Ken8521 I must use AVI, and be able to queue projects
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> err.. the statement 'must use avi' is a little.. vague..  :)
[17:45] <Ken8521> scott_ino2, well it does AVI, but not sure on the queue... lemme look
[17:45] <Dr_Willis> theres dozens of codecs an avi can be in.
[17:45] <scott_ino2> my situation is kinda weird... basically im streaming to ps3s, and they wont take .h264
[17:45] <Reckon> Dr_Willis, I need to get some Ubuntu expertise
[17:45] <scott_ino2> basically NASbox->Fuppes UPNP server->ps3
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> so you need xvid or mpeg3 codecs then
[17:46] <Ken8521> scott_ino2, i take that bad, i guess it does queue(or at least theirs a "queue tab" in the interface
[17:46] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, must use Xvid/Divx
[17:46] <scott_ino2> is what i meant
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> a read on the wiki pages about 'video codecs' -  is a good thing to do some time.
[17:46] <Ken8521> Reckon, i remember you were having a problem yesterday/last night... but don't remember what it was?
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> video encoding/codecs is such an... interestign topic
[17:46] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, im well versed in how that such works
[17:47] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, and yes.... it is, can be extremely complicated.... if you want it to be ;)
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> My poor netbook cant handle HD h264 very well. :( i got to reencode this stuff i got to a nicer res/codec for it
[17:47] <Dr_Willis> I did finally figure out the mencoder options to encode for my portable player.
[17:48] <Reckon> yea, actually, have some yet
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> ive yet to find a tool that can 'look at' a video file. (in my case an example for my portale player) then Give me the proper arguments to ffmpeg, or mencoder so i can reencode OTHEr videos to be the same as that example one.
[17:48] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, if you get to second pass would you kindly let me know :)
[17:48] <espen77> anyone using sun-java on 64-bit?
[17:48] <Dr_Willis> its 20% done with first.
[17:49] <Reckon> I asked if 'gnome-session' could be executed under a terminal. If I do so, the system freezes and I'm forced to reboot
[17:49] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, that's because every video source is different, generally you can keep the same settings so long as you have things like framrate correct
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> scott_ino2:  well the portable player i have - came with an example video   in codec xvid (i think) res of XXXX with  YYY fps and so forth.. it would be nice if i could just find a  'showmethesettingstomakeitlikethis' command :)
[17:50] <Dr_Willis> it took me about 2 hrs of playing to figure out the proper commands.. but even now im not sure im as optmized/quality as it can be.
[17:51] <Dr_Willis> but its just a portable player for cartoons for the kids. :)  so its not a critical thing
[17:51] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, ahh i see, usually most of my settings remain, and mencoder or k9 when they do the initial reads of the video detect frame rate, all my other settings remain the same
[17:51] <demism> anyone get netflix working on linux?
[17:51] <Dr_Willis> demism:  friend at work was asking about that the other day.. Im not sure if its even doable
[17:53] <perscitus> Where's the mirrors for Lucid beta2?
[17:53] <jpds> perscitus: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+cdmirrors
[17:53] <Dr_Willis> well this thing is only 30%done  on the first pass. and its my bed time.
[17:54] <Dr_Willis> holler at me tomorrow scott_ino2  and i will try it again/let ya know.
[17:54] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, :dvdrip: takes forever
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> Yep. faster to find the videos.. from other sources. :)
[17:55] <Reckon> any master would suggest me any advanced ubuntu book please? Thanks!
[17:55] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, no problem thank you
[17:55] <Dr_Willis> Reckon:  an advanced book would be on specific topics.. not general 'advanced ubuntu' normally
[17:56] <Dr_Willis> Reckon:  find a book on bash, and watever other topoc you are interested in. I alwyas check the bargin bins and 1/2 pric3 book stores.
[17:56] <Reckon> bash? sorry, absolutely a noob
[17:56] <TommyThaGun> !controls
[17:56] <Dr_Willis> Reckon:  time to hit the online docs then.   and not bother with paying $30+ for a book
[17:57] <Dr_Willis> Reckon:  and check the bargin tables for things that look neat.
[17:57] <scott_ino2> Reckon, i would suggest learning general "linux" stuff, as all distros are linux, usually they only have a few thigns that are handled differently, like package management
[17:57] <demism> If i keep using apt-get upgrade, will I be fine for the final release, or when the final release arrives will they go back to older packages?
[17:57] <Dr_Willis> Reckon:  definatly find a book on bash, and perhaps vi , and regular expressions.
[17:57] <perscitus> Why move the controls back ti the right side when you should be getting used to it for 10.10 release
[17:57] <Reckon> ok, thanks for the advices Dr_Willis
[17:57] <charlie-tca> Reckon: install 'rutebook'
[17:57] <perscitus> to*
[17:58] <charlie-tca> Reckon: very general, some is outdated, but it is free
[17:58] <perscitus> like mastering Regular Expressions book
[17:59] <charlie-tca> demism: yes
[17:59] <om26er> when there are high I/O events here on my system the system justs bangs and the rescue is to kill X. works fine with Karmic
[17:59] <charlie-tca> demism: you will be fine if you keep updating.
[18:00] <om26er> * processor and ram usage is normal just the hardrive LED wont rest
[18:00] <gsp2009> hello folks.
[18:00] <NinoScript> I'm having problem using an xmodmap file that worked with Karmic and with Lucid beta2 with no updates!
[18:01] <gsp2009> Anyone know the proper way to ensure that compiz starts at login?
[18:02] <ugliefrog> so far so good...everything so far is working...and they fixed it so now i can watch my youtube through movie player :) on with the testing
[18:04] <MeanderingCode> anyone using an ati radeon card? Mine won't detect the proper resolution for my external monitor and i get no image on it.
[18:05] <joaopinto> works fine here, but i am not using an external monitor, and I am using fglrx
[18:05] <RambJoe> works on mine
[18:05] <RambJoe> are 10.4 drivers out for linux?
[18:06] <thiebaude> !ati
[18:07] <Ken8521> thiebaude, any luck on the shutdown issue?
[18:07] <thiebaude> nah i still got that bug
[18:07] <MeanderingCode> i was using fglrx just fine, but it wouldn't work for an external, read that the fglrx drivers weren't working w/ the lucid kernel, tried the radeon, same thing
[18:08] <thiebaude> but when i started up this morning no disc drive noise Ken8521
[18:08] <Ken8521> well thats good
[18:08] <RambJoe> 10.3s don't work for me
[18:08] <thiebaude> yep i was glad not to hear that noise
[18:08] <RambJoe> they messed up multi monitors if i remember right
[18:08] <thiebaude> when i shutdown i goto the login screen,lol
[18:08] <RambJoe> my*
[18:09] <thiebaude> log out
[18:09] <Ken8521> thiebaude, i'm kinda confused why running poweroff from terminal, doesn't shut you down.
[18:09] <thiebaude> i turn the power strip off and then wait a few seconds to turn it on,lol
[18:09] <Ken8521> doesn't make sense
[18:09] <RambJoe> you know the email icon goes green when you get an email, can you make thunderbird do that?
[18:09] <thiebaude> thats been a bug since before beta1 i remember
[18:10] <thiebaude> i should of reported it a few months ago Ken8521
[18:10] <thiebaude> but i didn't
[18:10] <Ken8521> lol
[18:10] <Ken8521> probably
[18:11] <thiebaude> i say its plymouth, but cant prove it
[18:11] <thiebaude> after i log out there is a small flicker before the ubuntu screen
[18:11] <Ken8521> plymouth is gonna get blamed for everything in 10.04...lol
[18:11] <Ken8521> have a problem, blame plymouth
[18:11] <thiebaude> yea but was plymouth the right choice
[18:11] <MeanderingCode> thiebaude: i just started having boot problems today, plymouth being the apparent culprit.
[18:12] <Ken8521> house burned down, plymouth caused your pc to catch fire
[18:12] <MeanderingCode> well, obviously
[18:12] <thiebaude> this is the first time boot problem with ubuntu
[18:12] <oneirosFade> Well hey there Lucid folks
[18:12] <thiebaude> and i have been using it since 6.06
[18:12] <tobi_> hi, is pulseaudio gonna be implemented in 10.04? Because I don't think implementing unstable software in stable release is reasonable
[18:12] <thiebaude> but like i said i cant prove it
[18:13] <Ken8521> i keep getting some chineese chick calling me on skype
[18:13] <Ken8521> i've not picked up yet
[18:13] <thiebaude> omg
[18:13] <Ken8521> she's persistent though
[18:13] <Ken8521> lol
[18:13] <thiebaude> haha
[18:13] <Pici> Ken8521: And this has to do with Ubuntu support because?
[18:13] <oneirosFade> Ken8521:  Did you file a bug report with Skype maintainers?
[18:13] <tobi_> also is there gonna be stable gnome-shell in ubuntu 10.04 instead of compiz?
[18:13] <Ken8521> oneirosFade, no...
[18:13] <oneirosFade> ;)
[18:13] <Ken8521> Pici, i ddin't see any questions posed
[18:14] <thiebaude> :)
[18:14] <Ken8521> i didn't know there was an "unstable shell?
[18:14] <Pici> Please keep in mind that #ubuntu-offtopic exist for random chatter.
[18:14] <tobi_> Ken8521 it is unstable till final release of gnome 2.30
[18:14] <oneirosFade> Any new developments as far as gnome-shell's installability is concerned?
[18:15] <Ken8521> tobi_, well yeah.. everything is unstable till then though, not just gnoem-shell
[18:15] <thiebaude> afk
[18:15] <Pici> tobi_: 1) Yes, pulseaudio 2) We're still using metacity and gnome 2.30 by default, not gnome-shell.
[18:15] <tobi_> Ken8521 why is Ubuntu gonna contain more and more unstable softare, like 2.29 instead of 2.30?
[18:15] <gsp2009> Anyone know the proper way to ensure that compiz starts at login?
[18:15] <Ken8521> tobi_, i dunno, i'll call shuttleworth and ask him.
[18:15] <tobi_> Ken8521 oh, so I've got outdated news?
[18:16] <tobi_> Ken8521 pulseaudio is NOT stable
[18:16] <tobi_> Ken8521 should not be in LTS just to share my opinion with you
[18:17] <Ken8521> tobi_, what are you talking about?... i ddn't say you couldn't share your opinion
[18:17] <Ken8521> i don't have any probs w/ Pulse.. i know some do, but i don't
[18:17] <joaopinto> tobi_, there are people which disagree with you :)
[18:17] <joaopinto> erm, there is
[18:17] <tobi_> you both better play some games via wine, and measure the sound latency
[18:18] <gcala> Hi, I have installed kubuntu lucid some weeks ago and used it without important problems; now have installed catalyst driver from repository and they work good except that the boot splash screen isn't in native resolution (like with opensource ati driver) but in low-res and low-color depth; need some xorg.conf or grub special configuration? thanks
[18:18] <thiebaude> !plymouth
[18:18] <tobi_> or try to run kdenlive with pulse audio
[18:18] <joaopinto> tobi_, I hope wine is not a proper application to measure anything meaningful
[18:18] <joaopinto> :P
[18:18] <Ken8521> tobi_, well, i despise KDE, so that won't happen
[18:18] <thiebaude> gnome always for me
[18:18] <thiebaude> :)
[18:19] <tobi_> Ken8521, joaopinto SUPERAPP Audacity ins't supported by pulseaudio? need more? :P
[18:19] <tobi_> I am sure there is more
[18:19] <Ken8521> tobi_, that doesn't mean its "unstable" or "in beta"
[18:19] <joaopinto> tobi_, you mean audacity does not support it, not the way around
[18:19] <tobi_> it isn't functional
[18:20] <tobi_> so is compiz which causes problems with fullscreen aps
[18:20] <Ken8521> desktop effects... the third thing on my list of "Things to disable/remove" on a new install
[18:20] <oneirosFade> What are the first two?
[18:21] <joaopinto> tobi_, it's stable for most users, not for all
[18:21] <tobi_> compiz is still alpha as the website says
[18:21] <Ken8521> oneirosFade, the bottom panel, then set up the top panel
[18:22] <joaopinto> tobi_, different people has different criteria to lable alpha, beta, etc
[18:22] <oneirosFade> Ken8521:  Good call, good call
[18:22] <joaopinto> have
[18:22] <Ken8521> #4 uninstall brasero, pitivi, gwibber, f-spot, xsane(simplescan now),
[18:22] <joaopinto> label
[18:23] <oneirosFade> Do you have an alternative to gwibber?
[18:23] <Ken8521> woops, and empathy, can't forget removing empathy
[18:23] <joaopinto> there are betas more stable than some other stables stable :P
[18:23] <tobi_> what is gwibber?
[18:23] <Ken8521> oneirosFade, no, i don't do facebook/social networking
[18:23] <oneirosFade> Ah
[18:24] <NinoScript> tobi_, an app for broadcasting services like twitter and facebook
[18:24] <gunksta> I don't do muck social networking or what-not, but it seems silly to spend that much time uninstalling stuff off a system that might take up 50 megabytes.
[18:24] <Ken8521> #5 install vlc, gnomebaker audacious google earth pidgin easytag skype frostwire opera w32codecs libdvdcss2 and wine
[18:24] <Ken8521> then after wine installs, i install pokerstars, and i'm done
[18:24] <oneirosFade> LOL
[18:25] <Ken8521> oneirosFade, i have it down to a science
[18:25] <Ken8521> lol
[18:25] <oneirosFade> gunksta:  I agree with Ken on that one, if I don't ever need it, I uninstall it
[18:25] <oneirosFade> 50k, 50m, whatever
[18:26] <gunksta> There are a couple of things I disable, but uninstalling seems a little pointless. I have virtual machines 1000x larger than gwibber sitting on this HD.
[18:26] <tobi_> Ken8521 is proper video playback possible without compositing?
[18:27] <Ken8521> videos play back fine for me
[18:27] <tobi_> Ken8521 I've got this funny problem with video tearing while using metacity, compiz is ok
[18:27] <Ken8521> yeah i have no probs like that
[18:28] <Ken8521> i've got some movies, tv shows,e tc.. i've ripped to my hard drive, and i watch them all the time, no probs at all
[18:28] <tobi_> do you use xv for videoplayback?
[18:28] <Ken8521> xv?... i honestly couldn't even tell you.. i start VLC, and they play nice
[18:28] <tobi_> I would uninstall compiz right away if I found a way to make metacity not cause video tearing :P
[18:29] <tobi_> Ken8521 what's your graphics card?
[18:30] <Ken8521> my laptop is a Intel GM965
[18:30] <Ken8521> my PC, is a 512mb Nvidia 7900, dual screens
[18:31] <anj> tried the various "Sync to VBlank" checkboxes in nvidia-settings?
[18:31] <NinoScript> Bug in xmodmap? help please :D
[18:32] <Ken8521> anj, no, i haven't...  haven't really needed them
[18:32] <anj> it might help against the tearing
[18:32] <Ken8521> anj, i don't have tearing
[18:33] <anj> right, I got confused. Sorry
[18:33] <Ken8521> np.. ther's only 430 people here..lol, easy mistake
[18:34] <oneirosFade> Hm, just tried playing an HD video off NTFS on USB on my netbook with metacity composite, no compiz, and it seemed fine to me
[18:35] <thebishop> there's also a vertical sync in Compiz Settings Manager you need to tick if you want tear-free video
[18:36] <jimlovell777> I've been using Lucid for a month or two now without too many problems.  However in the past week or two I've had my computer completely freeze up forcing me to perform a hard reset. This has never happened on any previous version of Ubuntu. How can I track down the culprit?
[18:39] <charlie-tca> jimlovell777: check the logs in /var/log
[18:41] <jimlovell777> charlie-tca: Can you narrow that down a bit? There are a lot of logs there.
[18:41] <charlie-tca> dmesg and syslog
[18:41] <jimlovell777> charlie-tca: Ok, thanks.
[18:41] <charlie-tca> to start with. See if there are any errors
[18:41] <charlie-tca> If there is nothing there, you might want to check xorg.0.log
[18:42] <charlie-tca> If there is nothing there, you might want to check xorg.0.log.old, rather
[18:47] <Reckon> where is stored rutebook ?
[18:48] <c0vert> hd video from my ntfs external is working fine too
[18:48] <Damascene> any one figured out a good way to upload video to youtube from lucid?
[18:49] <Ivis> Hello "modinfo for module nvidia_96 failed: ERROR: modinfo: could not find module nvidia_96" when i try install nvidia drivers. Ubuntu 10.04
[18:49] <benkong2> Reckon, /usr/share/doc/rutebook on my system
[18:51] <Reckon> thanks
[18:52] <Reckon> maybe the file rute.pdf.gz?
[18:53] <iconmefisto> Damascene: what's the issue?
[18:53] <Damascene> iconmefisto, there is a bug on youtube prevent video made by theora 1.1 from working
[18:53] <Damascene> which is the version lucid use
[18:55] <benkong2> Reckon, there is a rute.pdf.gz but the book can also be viewed in your browser
[18:56] <benkong2> Reckon, extract the pdf if that's what you want
[18:57] <Ven]n> man.. any updated info on how to get b43 driver to work with 14e4:4315 (Broadcom bcm4312 rev 01) ?
[18:57] <uspenok> ubuntu karmic installed from beta 2 livecd and updated yesterday turns off my monitor right in that moment when i choose it in grub
[18:57] <uspenok> any tips ?
[18:58] <Jordan_U> uspenok: What graphics card?
[18:58] <benkong2> Reckon,  I did alt F2 opera /usr/share/doc/rutebook/html/index.html comes right up
[18:58] <yofel> benkong2: eclipse/okular can view .pdf.gz too, no need to extract it
[18:58] <uspenok> Jordan_U: nvidia 9600gt
[18:58] <benkong2> aha eclipse??
[18:58] <yofel> duh *evince
[18:58] <yofel> sry
[18:58] <benkong2> hmm don't have okular on this buntu
[18:59] <benkong2> ok
[18:59] <yofel> benkong2: okular is for KDE
[18:59] <benkong2> ye
[18:59] <benkong2> yes I know
[18:59] <benkong2> I usually have a borked buntu when I install bot kubuntu and ubuntu
[18:59] <benkong2> both^^
[19:00] <Jordan_U> uspenok: Probably a problem with the nouveau drivers then. Try adding "nomodeset" to the kernel parameters.
[19:00] <yofel> well, you need to tweak some things manually, but I'm using KDE rignt now and have gnome installed
[19:00] <uspenok> Jordan_U: already did, doesn't helps
[19:00] <benkong2> If there was a way to use kdm for kubuntu and gdm for ubuntu looks like not all things start when using gdm for kubuntu
[19:01] <Reckon> is it there any driver repository? I'm looking for the drivers of a smart card reader
[19:01] <benkong2> yofel, are u using kubuntu or just the KDE packages
[19:01] <yofel> kubuntu
[19:01] <benkong2> hmmm any quick one liners on manual tweaks
[19:02] <bpZero> hello, i installed google chrome, but the apt line it adds doesnt work and just causes an error every time, so i removed it from source
[19:02] <bpZero> but now crhome is gone from the menu, but still installed
[19:02] <bpZero> how do i get it back in the menu?
[19:02] <Jordan_U> Reckon: I think smart card readers are supposed to present themselves as generic usb mass storage devices and thus shouldn't require special drivers.
[19:03] <yofel> I had to set phonon to use pulseaudio so I don't need to mess with the audio settings all the time when switching KDE/gnome and you need pavucontrol then too, and you might need to correct the gdm mouse theme if you don't want it to use oxygen there
[19:03] <yofel> there were a few other minor things too that I can't remember right now
[19:04] <Reckon> Jordan_U: have to check that. Thanks!
[19:04] <benkong2> yofel, ok thanks looking for pavucontrol???
[19:04] <Jordan_U> Reckon: You're welcome.
[19:05] <yofel> benkong2: you need pavucontrol for the detailed pulse settings as KMix doesn't have proper pulseaudio support yet
[19:05] <benkong2> aha ok I see
[19:05] <crimsun> there's a ppa with the newer kmix, etc., supporting PA
[19:06] <benkong2> do you use G(K)dm?
[19:06] <yofel> kdm
[19:06] <benkong2> k
[19:06] <ZykoticK9> Ahox_ let me guess - ATI?
[19:06] <Ahox_> yes indeed
[19:07] <ZykoticK9> Ahox_, repost your question here - hopefully someone can help
[19:07] <Ahox_> I recently tried to install the fglrx but reverted. Since then I reinstalled the mesa driver but with no help
[19:07] <benkong2> I think when I did that I had problems with gnome-power-manager and something else not starting as they do with GDM
[19:07] <Ahox_> here is my original question, since installing 10.4beta my glx does not work anymore with an error in my X.log (EE) GLX error: Can not get required symbols. any ideas?
[19:08] <Ahox_> actually, my /usr/lib/libGL.so* are not owned by any packages. Is this correct?
[19:09] <yofel> Ahox_: yes, they should be symlinks to /usr/lib/mesa/... or /usr/lib/fglrx/...
[19:09] <Ahox_> yotel, this could explain the problem. Currently they are not symlinked. And I just grepped some fglrx strings in there...
[19:09] <Ahox_> let me fix that
[19:09] <yofel> no
[19:10] <yofel> Ahox_: try 'sudo update-alternatives --config gl_conf'
[19:10] <Ahox_> complained about no alternatives. I just do an aptitude reinstall
[19:10] <yofel> ok
[19:11] <yofel> Ahox_: can you run 'sudo ldconfig' and try to start X again?
[19:11] <Ahox_> this does not install the /usr/lib/libGL* files neither
[19:11] <yofel> wait
[19:11] <yofel> *NO* alternatives?
[19:11] <Ahox_> yes
[19:11] <yofel> I get here: There is only one alternative in link group gl_conf: /usr/lib/mesa/ld.so.conf
[19:11] <Ahox_> yofel
[19:12] <Ahox_> sry, yofel, yes
[19:12] <Ahox_> actually, there are two entried, the lib and the lib32
[19:12] <Ahox_> should I set the symlinks by hand?
[19:13] <Ahox_> well, let me restart my X first
[19:13] <yofel> my libGL here is: 19145 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2010-04-15 17:38 /usr/lib/libGL.so -> mesa/libGL.so
[19:13] <yofel> gone...
[19:13] <yofel> my libGL here is: 19145 0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2010-04-15 17:38 /usr/lib/libGL.so -> mesa/libGL.so
[19:14] <Ahox_> i will try that next. However an ldd glxinfo points correctly to the /usr/lib/mesa/libGL one...
[19:15] <dabaR> is the window manipulation icons on the top left a thing that gnome did, or Ubuntu?
[19:15] <ubuntufreak> I am not able to enable to Visual effects in and i get an error like this http://img15.imageshack.us/img15/3120/errorjr.png, any help regarding this would be welcome !
[19:15] <dabaR> And, did anyone experience the icons being moved to the right seemingly unprovoked?
[19:16] <dabaR> I was switching themes, and it moved to the right
[19:16] <ZykoticK9> dabaR, themes affect the control buttons now
[19:17] <dabaR> Can I have buttons on top left, and the human theme?
[19:17] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, i thought we went through this last night?
[19:17] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, i guess dabaR wan't here :)
[19:17] <Ken8521> lol
[19:18] <Ken8521> if you edit gconf-editor, and put the buttons in the upper right, and mark it as "mandator" then no matter what theme you choose, buttons in the upper right
[19:19] <dabaR> Ah
[19:21] <ubuntufreak> anyone able to get the desktop effects in Ubuntu 10.04, could you help me out ?
[19:22] <Ken8521> ubuntufreak, whats your graphics device?
[19:22] <ubuntufreak> Ken8521: Its actually an on-board ATI-3300
[19:23] <Ken8521> ubuntufreak, do you have anything in sys/admin/hardware drivers?
[19:23] <ZykoticK9> ubuntufreak, are you sure compiz can work with enlightenment?  (i don't know just asking)
[19:23] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, thats a good point, id idnt see where he said he had enlightment
[19:23] <ZykoticK9> Ken8521, screenshot
[19:24] <Ken8521> ZykoticK9, yeah, just saw it
[19:24] <ubuntufreak> ZykoticK9: i have applied the elementary theme for Gnome
[19:24] <ZykoticK9> ubuntufreak, ahhh
[19:24] <ZykoticK9> ubuntufreak, fool me once... :)
[19:25] <Ken8521> it does seem counter productive... use a GUI that is designed to be lightning quick, run on low ram, etc.. then bog it down w/ desktop effects
[19:25] <ubuntufreak> Ken8521: i don't have a 'admin' folder in the sys
[19:25] <Ken8521> frankly, i don't like compiz period
[19:26] <Ken8521> ubottu, system/admin/hardware drviers... its a menu
[19:26] <Ken8521> ubuntufreak, see above
[19:26] <benkong2> Ken8521, I got lost on the mandor where do u mark that status?
[19:27] <Ken8521> benkong2, are you at the setting in gconf-ecitor?
[19:27] <ubuntufreak> Ken8521: the hardware driver shows that ATI/AMD proprietary FGLRX graphics drivers is activated
[19:27] <benkong2> yep
[19:27] <benkong2> apps/metacity/general
[19:27] <Ken8521> benkong2, and did you edit it to move the buttons?
[19:28] <benkong2> yes
[19:28] <Ken8521> ok.. right click it again, like you were going to edit it... and one of the options, I believe is "Make Mandatory"
[19:28] <Ken8521> or something like that
[19:28] <benkong2> aha I see thanks
[19:28] <benkong2> I double clicked when editing
[19:29] <Ken8521> oh ok
[19:30] <benkong2> Ken8521, thanks
[19:31] <Ken8521> np..
[19:31] <Ken8521> i always right click when editing in gconf-editor.. so i didn't really think to clarify that
[19:32] <benkong2> Ken8521, I guess I will start that now
[19:32] <benkong2> I did figure out my gcursor fix
[19:33] <benkong2> had to manually edit /usr/share/?? default forgot which one but I manually changed the xcursor theme then logout and back in
[19:34] <Ken8521> hmm, never messed w/ that
[19:35] <MaximLevitsky> why eclipse-cdt isn't in the ubuntu 10.4?
[19:35] <benkong2> I like the comic cursors and using System/Preferences/Cursor Selection does not work
[19:35] <Reckon> is there a way to log the active processes so that later I could analyze it to search for specific issues?
[19:36] <benkong2> So I traced it down and found what set the cursor manually changed
[19:37] <benkong2> I tell you what though I wish gnome-shell or gnome3 had made it in this release.
[19:37] <benkong2> I luv gnome-shell
[19:38] <crimsun> benkong2: hardly supportable for three years without major stable release engineering
[19:38] <benkong2> just need to figure out how to make a login entry  so that compiz is not running
[19:38] <Ken8521> i bet gnome3 will probably be rolling for 10.10
[19:38] <benkong2> crimsun, u mean cursor selection?
[19:38] <Bittarman> any risk that my nvidia card will start being reliable soon??
[19:38] <crimsun> where "stable release engineering" == significant (wo)man-hours
[19:38] <Bittarman> im ready to cry!
[19:38] <benkong2> Ken8521, I hope so
[19:39] <Ken8521> Bittarman, it's not reliable now?.. whichcard?
[19:39] <Bittarman> Ken8521, 7000M
[19:39] <Ken8521> 7000m.. never heard of that one
[19:39] <Bittarman> randomly getting primary surface out of memory, or config not available
[19:39] <Ken8521> Bittarman, whats sys/admin/hardware driver say?
[19:39] <Bittarman> Ken8521, its a mobility gpu
[19:39] <Ken8521> oh ok
[19:40] <benkong2> I have a Quadro NVS 130M Nvidia works great
[19:40] <Ken8521> yup, 7900 here.. works great as well.
[19:40] <benkong2> running 196.36 drivers
[19:40] <Bittarman> and im using nvidia-current
[19:40] <Ken8521> Bittarman, so it says that the current driver is active?
[19:41] <Ken8521> in sys/admin/hardware drivers
[19:41] <Bittarman> activate but not in use
[19:41] <Bittarman> it crashes out during x startup
[19:41] <Ken8521> Bittarman, well activate the one it says is recommended
[19:41] <Ken8521> Bittarman, oh ok
[19:41] <Bittarman> only current is listed :P
[19:42] <Bittarman> I had to purge the rest back in alpha
[19:42] <Ken8521> hmm
[19:42] <Bittarman> since it went to beta, its been flaky
[19:42] <Ken8521> are you up to date?
[19:42] <Bittarman> yup
[19:42] <Bittarman> I update every day
[19:43] <Bittarman> a google for the two errors I randomly get provides fruitless too
[19:43] <Ken8521> cuz i had that problem w/ my card at first, but then I finallly got it to work, then i installed the release candidate test, and it activated perfectly
[19:43] <Bittarman> which drivers are you using?
[19:44] <Ken8521> 173 i think.. its my desktop.. i'm not by it
[19:44] <Bittarman> could you show me your output of aptiture search nvidia|grep ^i
[19:44] <Bigbrumbrum> Hello :) fglrx dont support my grapics anymore, but when i try to remove it i get sub-process errors." found `diversion of /usr/lib/libGL.so.1.2 to /usr/lib/fglrx/libGL.so.1.2.xlibmesa by xorg-driver-fglrx'" what to do?
[19:44] <Ken8521> i'll have to teleport to my desktop
[19:45] <Bittarman> no ssh? :P
[19:45] <Ken8521> naa.
[19:45] <Bittarman> you should try it.. ssh -X rocks ;)
[19:46] <Bigbrumbrum> anyone?
[19:51]  * BUGabundo waves o/
[19:52] <studentz> Live CD  I cannot install Lucid Beta 64 bit mssg : (initramfs)Unable o find a medium containing a file system   Help..
[19:55] <Tohuw> studentz: sounds like it can't find something to put it on. Can you pastebin the output of sudo fdisk -l?
[19:55] <Ven]n> interesting.. i had issues with b43 driver 14e4:4315 (Broadcom bcm4312 rev 01).. the 2.6.34.rc5 lucid fixed it
[19:56] <Tohuw> Ven]n: iirc, there was a bug on that on LP
[19:56] <Tohuw> so perhaps a fix was committed that affected you
[19:57] <Ven]n> maybe, didnt work in 2.6.33 though
[19:57] <Ven]n> anyhow, every time i install something or do autoremove, it tries to install something bcmwl-5.60...
[19:57] <Ven]n> and fails with error: bad return status for module build on kernel
[19:57] <Ven]n> how can I "clear" that from installation?
[19:58] <Ven]n> i dont want to install it anymore, hehe
[20:00] <studentz> tohuw I'm trying from the live cd without install. Busy box shell is ash . fdisk -l  /bin/sh: sudo: not found
[20:02] <Tohuw> Ven]n: what's the output of sudo apt-get check?
[20:02] <Ven]n> lemme see :)
[20:03] <Ven]n> Tohuw, nothing
[20:03] <Tohuw> studentz: is the hard drive you're wanting to install this on formatted currently?
[20:03] <Ven]n> just returned reading packet list.. done.. etc
[20:04] <Andre_Gondim> gwibber is ok to every one in lucid?[
[20:05] <Tohuw> Ven]n: ok, that means no broken deps. bcmwl is the broadcom 802.11 driver package. It sounds like it's trying to build it against a kernel that version isn't made for. Try sudo apt-get autoclean and see if it returns anything.
[20:05] <Tohuw> Andre_Gondim: it is now
[20:05] <charlie-tca> Andre_Gondim: seems broken for some users
[20:05] <Tohuw> charlie-tca: even after the wave of patches to the backend service?
[20:05] <Tohuw> hm
[20:06] <Ven]n> Tohuw, nope, nothing
[20:06] <mbeierl1> How's the experience been with upgrades to 10.04 beta for those who use Likewise Open?  Anyone try yet?
[20:06] <durt> hey folks, I'm getting random X crashes on an HP mini 210 (i915), but only seeing older bugs in LP anyone know if there's anything new going on?
[20:07] <Tohuw> Ven]n: I don't see a package by that name (with the version number). Is bcmwl-kernel-source installed on your system?
[20:07] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: lucid has the new likewise.... so you may need some testing !
[20:07] <Tohuw> durt: check your Xorg error logs in /var/log
[20:07] <zonkers> i keep losing my left mouse functionality in ubuntu 10.04 and vmware.  I have been trying to reproduce and it seems like it only does it when chromium is up and I've opened say 50 images or so.
[20:08] <Ven]n> Tohuw, bcmwl-kernel-source (5.60.48.36+bdcom-0ubuntu2)
[20:08] <mbeierl> BUGabundo: :)  That's why I thought I'd ask to see if anyone else has taken the plunge before me
[20:08] <BUGabundo> mbeierl: haven't seen anyone commenting on it
[20:08] <durt> Tohuw, I have, not much there to indicate what's going on
[20:08] <Ven]n> Tohuw, it shouldnt be installed on my system.. I tried installing it and got the error.. but now it wont go away. seems like it was partially installed or something
[20:08] <Tohuw> Ven]n: Can you try purging it and reinstalling it? It's a terribly shotgun approach, but sometimes it gives you at least more information.
[20:09] <Tohuw> Ven]n: oh! just purge it then
[20:09] <Tohuw> sudo aptitude -y purge bcmwl-kernel-source
[20:09] <mrsun> hmm, is it posible to get the newest fglrx driver in lucid somehow ?
[20:09] <Tohuw> if that fails, try using dpkg, but only if aptitude fails
[20:09] <Tohuw> mrsun: what version are you looking for
[20:09]  * mbeierl wonders ... roll the dice for upgrade or do a clean install
[20:09] <Tohuw> durt: can you post the log to pastebin?
[20:09] <Ven]n> Tohuw, only thing starting on bcmwl is bcmwl-modaliases
[20:10] <mrsun> Tohuw, 10.3 i guess
[20:10] <durt> Tohuw, sure gimme a sec
[20:10] <ignorante> Hello everyone. I added a directory to ubuntuone ( /home/<myuser>/sharing ) but now I can't remove it. I deleted the directory, but u1sdtool --list-folders says that this directory already exist! How can I delete it from ubuntuone?
[20:11] <ignorante> u1sdtool --unsubscribe-folder not work :(
[20:11] <Ven]n> Tohuw, is that the same package?
[20:11] <Tohuw> Ven]n: no
[20:11] <studentz> Tohow  this is a new box and HDD is new also
[20:12] <mrsun> ive tried doing ./blah.run --buildpkg Ubuntu/lucid but im getting unresolved symbols when is start X after that
[20:12] <mrsun> (reloaded fglrx also)
[20:12] <Ven]n> Tohuw, any other suggestion?
[20:12] <Tohuw> Ven]n: try dpkg -p bcmw-kernel-source
[20:12] <nemo> aaaagh
[20:12] <nemo> Ok. /etc/gdm/custom.conf is what we're supposed to use now to make gdm changes
[20:12] <nemo> and it tells you to run gdmsetup
[20:12] <nemo> which is graphical and does not run over ssh -YC :(
[20:13] <nemo> or rather, it runs fine, but this new annoying unlock procedure does not
[20:13] <Ven]n> Tohuw, oh wait, i typed what you said.. its working i think
[20:13] <nemo> and you can't do sudo gdmsetup either
[20:13] <mrsun> its strange, the latest on the amd site is aparently 8.712, the one in ubuntu is 8.723 ... but my graphic card was alot faster with the one i got from amds site, (whan i had it working, now its not :/ )
[20:13] <nemo> and of course the reason I'm changing custom.conf is to setup vnc for a headless box
[20:13] <nemo> thanks ubuntu :(
[20:13] <Tohuw> studentz: can you start Ubuntu from the CD at all?
[20:13] <m0ar> Terribly stupid, but I accicently (kinda) removed the deluge module in my python library, how the hell do I fix this? ;;__;;
[20:14] <m0ar> Is it as easy as to reinstall python?
[20:14] <Tohuw> mrsun: something similar happened to me. I ended up swapping cards for an nvidia
[20:14] <durt> Tohuw, Here's one http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/zFSiWcw8, and the tail of another that maybe incomplete. http://ubuntu.pastebin.com/yW1TsLdW
[20:14] <Tohuw> mrsun: your best bet is to probably file a needs-packaging against the new fglrx
[20:14] <Tohuw> on LP
[20:15] <mrsun> Tohuw, well i don thave time :P
[20:15] <Ven]n> Tohuw, yes, the aptitude -y worked.. i just thought it didnt find the bcm... because i typed bcm and hit TAB :)
[20:15] <mrsun> was gonna have a gaming night and now my computer is fuxed =)
[20:15] <Ven]n> how can I remove old kernels? :)
[20:15] <Tohuw> mrsun: then you get to wait :P
[20:16] <studentz> Tohuw  I got the initial screen ,choose first option  and after 20 min I got Busy Box
[20:16] <Tohuw> Ven]n: glad that worked. You can remove old kernels most easily by purging their packages
[20:16] <d33d> sadly, I've had to downgrade back to 9.10 because 10.04 was intermittently just freezing up and locking my laptop.
[20:16] <Tohuw> studentz: is the hard drive on a RAID controller?
[20:16] <nemo> ok. is there any way at all to get gdmsetup to work over ssh? :-/
[20:16] <Ven]n> Tohuw, apt-get remove header+generic+image?
[20:16] <studentz> Tohuw NO
[20:17] <Ven]n> Tohuw, or did you mean apt-get purge header and then itll also remove generic header + image?
[20:17] <Tohuw> Ven]n: you can just remove the -generic iirc, the rest should autoremove with it as they're no longer being used.
[20:17] <Ven]n> ah
[20:17] <Ven]n> thanks
[20:17] <Ven]n> :)
[20:17] <Ven]n> trying
[20:17] <studentz> Tohuw  9.1 32 bit runs OK from live cd
[20:17] <m0ar> Tohuw: Not really.   cd /boot && rm -rf *-XX-generic
[20:18] <Tohuw> m0ar: purging the kernel's package doesn't remove the physical files from /boot?
[20:18] <m0ar> Tohuw: Might do, I've always done that so :D
[20:18] <m0ar> Tohuw: Easier imho
[20:19] <Tohuw> m0ar: except that removing it via the package processes the triggers against it, like grub and such
[20:19] <m0ar> Tohuw: update-grub.
[20:19] <Tohuw> m0ar: I know. Like I said, removing the package does it all in one step.
[20:19] <m0ar> Tohuw: Everyone has their own ways
[20:20] <m0ar> Anyone have ideas of how I can get my deluge python-module back? D:
[20:20] <Tohuw> Does anyone know how to temporarily type in a location in the location bar instead of using the buttons? There used to be a button for that, and it's gone. :|
[20:20] <benkong2> In nautilus
[20:21] <ZykoticK9> Tohuw, press /
[20:21] <Tohuw> benkong2: yeah, sorry, should have specified. Thanks ZykoticK9, that was it!
[20:22] <m0ar> Holy crapshit
[20:22] <m0ar> To fix my problem with the missing deluge-module i apt-get removed python2.6.
[20:22] <Tohuw> !language | m0ar
[20:22] <m0ar> Uninstalling a fuckton of apps, I'm dying ;_;
[20:23] <Tohuw> m0ar: always check to see what havoc removing a package will do before doing it :(
[20:23] <m0ar> Tohuw: I know, gah
[20:24] <m0ar> Tohuw: When this removal is done, can I just install python2.6 and do a dist-upgrade?
[20:24] <m0ar> Idk how I can get all apps back
[20:24]  * m0ar broke his system
[20:24] <Tohuw> m0ar: probably. Failing that, reinstall the appropriate metapackage for you system (ubuntu-desktop or so)
[20:25] <m0ar> Tohuw: Does ubuntu-desktop contain all the "start" apps of ubuntu?
[20:25] <Tohuw> m0ar: most, not all. see apt-cache show ubuntu-desktop
[20:26] <Tohuw> Essentially, it's the userland toolset on top of the kernel and essentials. For your problem, that sees like it might work.
[20:26] <m0ar> REMOVIN VIM, nuuu O_O
[20:28] <Tohuw> vim being gone will be the least of your problems, I suspect
[20:28] <sveinse> How can I enable the window behaviour to drag a window from one workspace to another? Where is the config?
[20:29] <Tohuw> sveinse: are you using compiz? (desktop effects)
[20:30] <sveinse> Tohuw: I think so. It's vanilla lucid
[20:31] <Tohuw> sveinse: install compizconfig-settings-manager, and enable "Edge Flip Move" in the plugin "Desktop Wall"
[20:36] <Tohuw> durt: sorry, forgot about you. See this post: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?s=6a5d57997134a0976b08e9ef4c9db5cc&p=8864174&postcount=5
[20:37] <Tohuw> Also, the wiki article it links to is useful
[20:37] <Tohuw> ok, away-ish a bit
[20:37] <FFForever> How do I get my wifi selector back?
[20:38] <durt> FFForever, did you remove the notification area?
[20:39] <FFForever> No
[20:40] <sveinse> Tohuw: Thanks. Now I got it. I think I was losing it here.... ;)
[20:40] <durt> FFForever, you're talking about network-manager's applet in gnome-panel?
[20:40] <FFForever> Yeah
[20:41] <FFForever> Why I try to launch it I get, An instance of nm-applet is already running.
[20:41] <sveinse> I get two very different renderings of the screen fonts when I select "slight" hinting or "full" hinting. See http://imagebin.org/93683 vs. http://imagebin.org/93684 - Is this something I should submit a bugreport on?
[20:41] <ZykoticK9> FFForever, try adding to panel "notification area" as durt suggested
[20:41] <FFForever> I see
[20:41] <FFForever> Thanks!!!
[20:41] <durt> FFForever, ya, sounds like you accidentally removed the notification area, ( not to be confused with indicator applet.)
[20:42] <FFForever> durt, there was an issue after an update
[20:42] <FFForever> it asked me if I wanted to remove, I didn't think it would delete all of that =\
[20:43] <FFForever> durt, I deleted .gnome2 and relogged in, how come that didn't make it reappear?
[20:44] <durt> FFForever, what's .gnome2?
[20:44] <FFForever> where all the settings are stored for gnome no?
[20:44] <FFForever> ~/.gnome2
[20:44] <sveinse> Can anyone confirm the font rendering issue, or is it just my machine?
[20:44] <durt> FFForever, not sure, sry
[20:45] <C-S-B-N900> still not getting plymouth, is it working for all?
[20:47] <iconmefisto> C-S-B-N900: well it's not working for you, so not all. but it works for many, perhaps...
[20:47] <ZykoticK9> sab, you need to add the partner repository to install SUN Java if you are unsure how to do that see blue note at top of http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/java
[20:48] <charlie-tca> sveinse: looks normal for the setting used
[20:48] <sveinse> charlie-tca: Does the font width change when going from slight to full?
[20:48] <charlie-tca> yes, depending on the font
[20:48] <sveinse> charlie-tca: As you can see on the two images, the fonts are significantly different
[20:49] <charlie-tca> one adds more 'feathering' to the font
[20:49] <sveinse> charlie-tca: why is that? I wouldn't expect hinting to change the overall rendering
[20:49] <charlie-tca> sveinse: I am not an expert in fonts. You asked if that was normal, yes, it is.
[20:49] <sveinse> charlie-tca: Uhm, on my computer (as shown) its not just the feathering. It the entire width of the font
[20:50] <charlie-tca> Sorry I tried to verify what you get, then
[20:50] <sveinse> charlie-tca: So you don't see the width changed on your host?
[20:51] <sveinse> Point is, is this something I should submit bugreport on or not. If I'm alone about this, then probably not...
[20:51] <charlie-tca> I did not say that. I said I can confirm what you see when the setting is changed
[20:52] <sveinse> Which I would consider as a bug then
[20:52] <charlie-tca> okay
[20:52] <NoobFukaire1> so how stable is lucid? If you're a power user are there any major defects right now?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> Why did you ask if any one sees it if you just want to argue it is wrong?
[20:53] <FFForever> It works for me, but it all depends on what classifies a power user
[20:53] <sab> whats the diffrence between ubuntu channel and ubuntu+1 channel?
[20:53] <charlie-tca> sab: topic tells us this is only for lucid
[20:53] <demifuror> hey guys,  is there a way to stream tv to my linux box?
[20:57] <topyli> sab, #ubuntu is the official support channel. this is for support and discussion of the unstable development version
[20:57] <sab> ok,thank you
[21:02] <sab> i was trying to install skype from cli and got this error,can anyone please tell me how to solve this??
[21:02] <sab> sorry this is the error....http://paste.ubuntu.com/419446/
[21:05] <Damascene> did any update break the guest session for you?
[21:05] <sab> i was trying to install skype from cli and got this error...http://paste.ubuntu.com/419446/,can anyone please tell me how to solve this??
[21:07] <guntbert> how do I tell firefox (on a daily system) to enable java?
[21:07] <Ian_Corne> Anyone any idea why bluez-gnome is in conflict with lubuntu-desktop?
[21:07] <holstein> guntbert: enable ot install?
[21:07] <holstein> or*
[21:08] <guntbert> holstein: enable, it is installed from the partner repo
[21:08] <holstein> did you restart FF
[21:08] <holstein> ?
[21:08] <Ian_Corne> It seems like gnome-bleutooth can't coexists with bluez-gnome
[21:08] <holstein> its always just kicked off for me
[21:09] <josip> hello, is there a nobackfill patch for xorg for lucid?
[21:09] <josip> the maximizing with an ati card is again painfully slow
[21:09] <guntbert> holstein: :-/  why didn't I think of that  - I'll report back
[21:10] <LinuxGuy2009> 2 days till RC. Were getting closer. woohoo
[21:11] <guntbert> holstein: thx - worked -- silly me
[21:11] <mininessie> hey anyone run ubuntu
[21:11] <mininessie> i need help i have no sound 10.04
[21:12] <lucas-arg1> mininessie: did u ask?
[21:12] <LinuxGuy2009> mininessie: Did sound work on same hardware in previous versions?
[21:12] <holstein> guntbert: :)
[21:13] <crimsun> Ian_Corne: because bluez-gnome has a Conflicts with gnome-bluetooth
[21:13] <crimsun> mininessie: please use ubuntu-bug audio
[21:13] <lucas-arg1> nVidia Corporation MCP79 High Definition Audio works in kernel 2.6.34 but not .32 when mininessie installs lastest kernel and sound works he cant make wireless work
[21:13] <crimsun> Ian_Corne: and lubuntu-desktop has a Depends on the latter
[21:13]  * gsp2009 has never raised so many elephants... and it is utterly boring.
[21:14] <crimsun> lucas-arg1: / mininessie: so you may want to use linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r) from ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev
[21:14] <LinuxGuy2009> please join #elephants
[21:14] <gsp2009> lolz
[21:15] <gsp2009> I just got here... mininessie, probs with pulse?
[21:16] <mininessie> crimsun: ????
[21:16] <mininessie> gsp2009: pulse volue control configuration is blank
[21:16] <crimsun> mininessie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/InstallingLinuxAlsaDriverModules
[21:16] <nemo> hm. looks like the basis of my problems is gnome apparently sucking
[21:17] <KB1JWQ> Are we in a pre-release freeze?
[21:17] <nemo> vnc4server doesn't work reliably, authentication fails in ssh, or in xdmcp or in xmdpc over ssh...
[21:17] <crimsun> KB1JWQ: very much so.
[21:18] <KB1JWQ> crimsun: That'd explain the lack of new packages lately.
[21:18] <KB1JWQ> :-)
[21:18] <crimsun> KB1JWQ: we're frozen in prep for RC, so, yeah...
[21:18] <mininessie> KB1JWQ: what do you mean
[21:19] <KB1JWQ> mininessie: The last 24 hours or so, nothing new's come down.  That's a bit odd for this box.
[21:19] <mininessie> KB1JWQ: you mean in update manager
[21:20] <KB1JWQ> mininessie: Well, aptitude, but yes.
[21:20] <crimsun> KB1JWQ: you should know about the Status field at https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid , too
[21:20] <KB1JWQ> crimsun: Ah, thanks.
[21:20] <crimsun> "Pre-release Freeze"
[21:20] <mininessie> KB1JWQ: i thought it was just me update to the latest daily build of 10.04
[21:21] <Volkodav> what's up with medibuntu servers ?
[21:21] <mininessie> Volkodav: what do you mean
[21:22] <Volkodav> well apt-get update won't connect for 2 days now
[21:22] <crimsun> Volkodav: comment it out and move on
[21:22] <mininessie> hey should i update pulse or wait to reboot
[21:22] <Volkodav> it's down gone or what ?
[21:22] <iconmefisto> Volkodav: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[21:22] <Volkodav> ok
[21:22] <crimsun> mininessie: you don't need an updated pulse, just l-a-d-m
[21:23] <sab> i was trying to install skype from cli and got this error...http://paste.ubuntu.com/419446/,can anyone please tell me how to solve this??
[21:23] <gsp2009> sab: The Paste you are looking for does not currently exist.
[21:23] <LinuxGuy2009> sab: same here does not exist
[21:24] <gsp2009> nevermind... stripped after the last slash
[21:24] <crimsun> E: Package skype has no installation candidate
[21:24] <crimsun> sab: so, how are you attempting to install it?
[21:25] <sab> sudo apt-get install skype
[21:25] <iconmefisto> sab: download the .deb from the website
[21:25] <crimsun> sab: that command won't work if your apt sources don't have that package.
[21:25] <crimsun> sab: (which is precisely what the error is telling you)
[21:25] <sab> and got this error...http://paste.ubuntu.com/419451/
[21:26] <LinuxGuy2009> sab: Is English not your first language?
[21:28] <sab> LinuxGuy2009, yes....:(
[21:28] <sab> LinuxGuy2009, its not my first language
[21:29] <sab> LinuxGuy2009, i m sorry for any unintentional mistake
[21:30] <LinuxGuy2009> sab: http://www.skype.com/download/skype/linux/choose/
[21:30] <mininessie> ok nothing happened after i rebooted
[21:31] <nemo> ugh. and screwed up keymaps too. ffs.
[21:32] <judgen> How do i remove plymouth without braking anything else?
[21:32] <crimsun> you don't.
[21:33] <judgen> how do i disabled the splash then?
[21:33] <crimsun> you remove "splash" from the kernel command line and reboot.
[21:33] <judgen> aah ok.
[21:33] <judgen> Should be removable in the future i think. that would be lovely.
[21:34] <crimsun> or, you could fix the drivers/hw to work correctly with plymouth.
[21:34] <crimsun> removing it is not a fix.
[21:35] <judgen> i have to swap session to get it to go away...
[21:35] <crimsun> I don't know what you mean by "swap session".
[21:36] <judgen> alt+f2
[21:36] <judgen> for instance.
[21:36] <judgen> otherwise it just keeps running and running forever.
[21:37] <crimsun> oh, you mean switch VTs?
[21:37] <judgen> virtual terminals yes.
[21:37] <iconmefisto> the plymouth splash runs until X starts, right?
[21:38] <judgen> iconmefisto: i dont run x most of the time.
[21:38] <judgen> I dont have a *dm installed.
[21:38] <tawd> is anyone having problems with very slow internet?
[21:38] <iconmefisto> judgen: that's why I'm asking. it's probably waiting for X before stopping the animation
[21:38] <judgen> iconmefisto: very good point.
[21:40] <judgen> btw did the upgrade overwrite my bash settings? its all wierdly coloured now.
[21:42] <dantje_> xorg/gdm keeps restarting to the sound of drums on 82G965. Fail-safe graphics work. Lots of reports on launchpad, but I didn't see a solution or workaround (other than using failsafe).
[21:42] <thevishy> how do I see the battery indicator in the task bar ?
[21:43] <dantje_> How do I make xorg come up in the same graphics config/mode that the failsafe uses?
[21:43] <lucas-arg1> thevishy: System - Preferences - Power Management last tab...
[21:43] <thevishy> thanks lucas-arg1 , will ubuntu auto-shutdown if the battery is low or will it power off
[21:43] <mininessie_> now its saying my audio is cirrus logic cs4206
[21:44] <mininessie_> now its saying my audio is cirrus logic cs4206
[21:44] <thevishy> i.e wud ubuntu do a graceful shutdown or ?
[21:44] <lucas-arg1> thevishy: you can configure that in Power management
[21:44] <mininessie_> now its saying my audio is cirrus logic cs4206
[21:44] <lucas-arg1> thevishy: it shutsdown unless you tell ubuntu to do none, and it will just poweroff
[21:45] <thevishy> its hibernate apparently , that means , it saves my data and does it gracefully ?
[21:45] <_1x2_> help !
[21:45] <mininessie_> help audio still not working
[21:45] <_1x2_> Failed to fetch http://ubuntu.ipacct.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/Release.gpg  Could not connect to ubuntu.ipacct.com:80 (195.69.109.181). - connect (110: Connection timed out)
[21:45] <lucas-arg1> thevishy: i think you should try what u are asking and check what happens
[21:46] <_1x2_> help me !
[21:46] <iconmefisto> thevishy: you should confirm that hibernate works for you, otherwise change it to shutdown
[21:46] <yofel> _1x2_: server timeout, try a different mirror
[21:46] <LinuxGuy2009> mininessie_: Did you file a bug to try and get the issue fixed before final release?
[21:46] <lucas-arg1> _1x2_: chenge sources
[21:46] <mininessie_> LinuxGuy2009: no
[21:46] <thevishy> right , i want to leave the computer on and want to ensure it doesnt destroy OS at no cost
[21:46] <LinuxGuy2009> mininessie_: Better now than later.
[21:46] <mininessie_> LinuxGuy2009: if i knew how to
[21:47] <yofel> mininessie_: didn't crimsun already tell you to file one with 'ubuntu-bug audio' ?
[21:47] <iconmefisto> mininessie_: it's not that hard. try it!
[21:47] <thevishy> lucid beta 2 is nice and stable , i dont need to reinstall OS when Lucid is officially release right ?
[21:47] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: i think you should compile a kernel...
[21:47] <yofel> mininessie_: you'll need a launchpad account first
[21:47] <LinuxGuy2009> mininessie_: ubuntu-bug pulseaudio
[21:47] <LinuxGuy2009> mininessie_: start with that
[21:47] <crimsun> lucas-arg1: um, no.
[21:47] <lucas-arg1> thevishy: no, as far as you keep upgrading
[21:47] <crimsun> lucas-arg1: that's very poor advice.
[21:47] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: he should rather start with 'audio' instead of 'pulseaudio'
[21:47] <thevishy> thanks , i am already uptodate
[21:48] <lucas-arg1> crimsun: he is having problems with the kernel...
[21:48] <josip> Hello, I am not sure if this is right channel to ask the question, so I hope it won't mind you if it isn't. Is there a nobackfill patch for ubuntu lucid?
[21:48] <lucas-arg1> crimsun: apparently ubuntu wont come up with a functional kernel for his mac
[21:48] <LinuxGuy2009> yofel: There is no package called audio
[21:48] <mininessie_> well now at lest gnome alsa mixer isn't blank and it says my audio card is cirrus logic cs4206
[21:48] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: but a symptom
[21:48] <LinuxGuy2009> yofel: pulseaudio and then let the devs sort it.
[21:48] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: does it work? does sound and wireless work?
[21:49] <mininessie_> lucas-arg1: no
[21:49] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: which kernel did u use when sound worked?
[21:49] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: run '_apport_symptoms' to list the available ones, and no, rather let apport first try to sort it out and the devs after that
[21:49] <mininessie_> lucas-arg1: it never did
[21:49] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: nor even with 2.6.34?
[21:49] <_1x2_> how to get lubuntu-desktop without leaving traces, and to stick with Ubuntu-desktop brand
[21:49] <iconmefisto> ubuntu-bug alsa-base ?
[21:50] <josip> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fglrx-installer/+bug/351186/comments/256 this might help if someone else has the same problem
[21:50] <LinuxGuy2009> yofel: the point is, better to file than not to. File it under whatever you want and they will sort it out.
[21:50] <yofel> *sigh* like I said: use the audio symptom, that should choose the right package depending on the information
[21:50] <_1x2_> !kernel
[21:50] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: yes, but for general audio issues we have the audio symptom, and not just randomly file it against some audio related package
[21:51] <mininessie_> lucas-arg1: oh it worked in 2.6.33 but it wasn't 2.6.33.2 it was the rc canidate if i could i have the links to install 2.6.33
[21:51] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: the apport hooks differ a lot between them
[21:51] <_1x2_> !upgrade
[21:51] <awc> I've just attempted to reboot my computer, but after the GRUB screen all i see is a blank screen, and nothing occurs
[21:51] <LinuxGuy2009> mininessie_: Are you filing?
[21:51] <awc> ie my system refuses to boot
[21:51] <mininessie_> LinuxGuy2009: i have no idea how to
[21:51] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: install 2.6.34 http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[21:52] <gsp2009> awc... you know how to REISUB?
[21:52] <awc> nope
[21:52] <yofel> !bugs | mininessie_
[21:52] <LinuxGuy2009> mininessie_: launchpad.net and sign up for an account. Then after that in a terminal type "ubuntu-bug pulseaudio"
[21:52] <gsp2009> awc http://lifehacker.com/298891/gently-restart-a-frozen-system
[21:52] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: download the kernel u need... -image -headers -headers-all place them into a folder, the open a terminal, cd to/folder/ then sudo dpkg -i linux-*
[21:52] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: ubuntu-bug audio ...
[21:52] <mininessie_> lucas-arg1: i tried the 2.6.33 from there then i won't have wireless
[21:52] <awc> ty gsp2009 i'll see if it helps
[21:53] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: there is a 2.6.34rc5 kernel try that one
[21:53] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: and his issue is probably kernel related so pulseaudio is wrong anyway
[21:53] <LinuxGuy2009> yofel: Your telling the wrong person. My audio is fine.
[21:53] <gsp2009> awc that will reboot gently
[21:53] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: remember you have to download 3 files from there
[21:53] <yofel> LinuxGuy2009: yes, but you're giving wrong advice
[21:53] <LinuxGuy2009> yofel: time to drop it and move on.
[21:53] <mininessie_> lucas-arg1: i'm going to install 2.6.34 and see what happends if it doesn't carsh my machine 2.6.32.21 still works fine
[21:53] <yofel> mininessie_: Please read the bug reporting page ubottu gave you and file a bug with 'ubuntu-bug audio'
[21:54] <awc> well, i'll give it a shot. If it doesn't work I'll be back
[21:54] <yofel> mininessie_: and make sure you're running an ubuntu kernel when doing so
[21:54] <judgen> where is the cli login screen's colour settings located? I just want it to go back to black text on white background.
[21:54] <LinuxGuy2009> mininessie_: Either way the whole point is just report it and get it fixed.
[21:54]  * judgen have got bad eyes.
[21:55] <lucas-arg1> yofel: i think mininessie_sound card its not enabled in the kernel
[21:55] <mininessie_> or the fact that i'm using a macbook pro
[21:55] <yofel> well, that's why he should file a bug...
[21:56] <LinuxGuy2009> mininessie_: Did you say if you have used ubuntu before on the same machine and sound worked fine?
[21:57] <mininessie_> LinuxGuy2009: i used kernel 2.6.33 and i did not test sound but i had all the buttons in gnome alsa mixer that i need but i couldn't get my wireless working
[21:57] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: try that kernel i told you and see what happens, thats what i would do
[21:58] <mininessie_> downloading files now
[21:58] <LinuxGuy2009> mininessie_: Still having wireless issues? Card not working?
[21:59] <mininessie_> LinuxGuy2009: in kernel 2.6.32.21 it works fine
[21:59] <mininessie_> yeah its broadcom so you know
[22:00] <LinuxGuy2009> mininessie_: What model exactly? BCM4312 by chance? "sudo lshw -C lan"
[22:00] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: how come u want to try linux in a mac book?
[22:01] <mininessie_> lucas-arg1: why not?
[22:03] <erghezi> why i cant write to my hfs+ partition
[22:03] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: well macs were made for using osx specifically
[22:03] <Some_Person> erghezi: Go into Mac OS X and turn off journaling in disk manager
[22:03] <LinuxGuy2009>  mininessie_: I cant help you if you dont talk to me bub.
[22:03] <LinuxGuy2009> good luck
[22:03] <erghezi> Some_Person: journaling is disable
[22:04] <erghezi> Some_Person:  i add it to fstab
[22:04] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: its not really usual to see a mac user come to linux
[22:04] <erghezi> Some_Person: /dev/sdb3 /mnt/common hfsplus user,auto,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[22:04] <mininessie_> lucas-arg1: hey i can't install the headers for 2.6.43
[22:04] <mininessie_> lucas-arg1: hey i can't install the headers for 2.6.34 not 43
[22:04] <Some_Person> lucas-arg1: My girlfriend is doing it, and she says she likes Linux now
[22:05] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: did u download all 3 packages?
[22:05] <mininessie_> lucas-arg1: wait
[22:05] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: did u place them all in the same folder?
[22:05] <Some_Person> erghezi:  /dev/sdb3 /mnt/common hfsplus user,auto,rw,uid=1000,gid=1000 0 0
[22:05] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: once uve done that u need to install them with the terminal sudo dpkg -i linux-*
[22:05] <mininessie_> lucas-arg1: i'm installing all.deb instead of amd64.deb
[22:06] <lucas-arg1> mininessie_: that depends on whats your installation if its 64bits download 64bits kernel images, if its 32bits download i386
[22:06] <awc> REISUB didn't work
[22:07] <erghezi> Some_Person: i test it now
[22:09] <awc> gsp2009, REISUB didn't work
[22:10] <gsp2009> awc ok.. remember that though.. cause you can gently restart your system if it hangs... do you have two monitors?
[22:10] <awc> no i don't
[22:11] <gsp2009> awc new install?
[22:11] <awc> nope een using 10.04 since alpha 3 i think
[22:11] <awc> been**
[22:11] <awc> 64 Bit system
[22:12] <gsp2009> awc and it used to work fine? what changed? new hardware?
[22:12] <sipher> hey, having problems installing grub. this url explains the problem for the most part. http://elitter.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=148
[22:12] <awc> nothing as far as i kno
[22:12] <awc> w
[22:13] <awc> I just got a new ipod touch, so i've been installing software for that
[22:13] <gsp2009> awc so what have you installed?
[22:13] <nanoguy> im running the latest beta of ubuntu 10.04 but none of the title bars are appearing
[22:13] <awc> imobiledevice
[22:13] <sipher> nanoguy: hit f2 then type metacity
[22:13] <sipher> logout login should resolve it. =/
[22:14] <sipher> arg he left.
[22:14] <nanoguy> im back
[22:14] <sipher> nanoguy: hit f2 then type metacity
[22:14] <sipher> logout login should resolve it. =/
[22:14] <Some_Person> sipher: Sorry, I'm not familiar enough with grub2
[22:14] <sipher> Some_Person: Thanks
[22:14] <nanoguy> f2 doesn't do anything
[22:14] <sipher> nanoguy: open a terminal
[22:14] <nanoguy> ok
[22:14] <sipher> and type metacity &
[22:15] <nanoguy> it gave me this error
[22:15] <nanoguy> im running the latest beta of ubuntu 10.04 but none of the title bars are appearing
[22:15] <nanoguy> woops it didn't work
[22:15] <sipher> heh
[22:15] <gsp2009> awc, can you get into another terminal?
[22:15] <Some_Person> nanoguy: What's the error?
[22:15] <awc> yep
[22:16] <mauri> i need help for my scanner canon lide 100
[22:16] <elwood> hi guys
[22:16] <sipher> mauri: you in luck :>
[22:16] <sipher> I set one up yesterday
[22:17] <elwood> there is a way to have the classic boot without splash?
[22:17] <yofel> nanoguy: try 'metacity --replace' maybe?
[22:17] <awc> gsp2009, I'm on the live cd right now, or do you mean as I'm booting up?
[22:17] <mauri> sipher: what?
[22:17] <gsp2009> awc have you tried to remove the software that you installed?
[22:17] <sipher> mauri: http://support-asia.canon-asia.com/P/search?model=PIXMA+MP568&menu=download&filter=0&tagname=ca_os&ca_os=Linux goto this url and search for your model. I have a pixma mp560 (no drivers listewd in ubuntu)
[22:17] <gsp2009> awc brb
[22:17] <awc> kk
[22:18] <sipher> mauri: install the drivers and it should work flawlessly.
[22:18] <mauri> sipher: but i have a canon lide100
[22:18] <sipher> search for it.
[22:18] <elwood> no way to exclude plymouth at boot?
[22:19] <yofel> elwood: remove 'quiet splash' from the kernel options?
[22:19] <Some_Person> elwood: You can press escape while booting to temporarily disable it for that session, or if you want it gone permanently, you'll have to edit your grub settings
[22:20] <elwood> yofel,  i've removed splash but i got black screen until X. that's why i'm asking :)
[22:20] <mauri> sipher: im nt able to load the site you highlithed me
[22:21] <tenochslb> what is the channel to talk about wireless networking on lucid lynx?
[22:21] <yofel> well, you can remove quiet too, that will display the kernel messages
[22:21] <yofel> but upstart isn't very verbose by design
[22:21] <sipher> mauri, http://elitter.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=147
[22:21] <yofel> tenochslb: you're right here
[22:21] <elwood> yofel, ok  I'll try, i need to read, Readin make me feel safe
[22:22] <mauri> sipher: ive just load the page but sorry, what i have to looking for
[22:22] <sipher> the url is on that page.
[22:22] <sipher> the link...
[22:23] <Some_Person> I kinda miss the old splash screen with the scrolling text at the bottom
[22:23] <tenochslb> yofel: hi! we chatted like three days ago regarding wireless networking not working when i updated some of the fixes on lucid. I wonder if there is a way to check that my wireless card is not burned out before a report a bug
[22:24] <mauri> sipher: there is a problem.....im on kubuntu 64bit
[22:25] <yofel> mauri: so? the drivers are the same for all *buntu flavours
[22:26] <yofel> ah, sorry, you meant the 64bit  part
[22:26] <mauri> yofel: when i star install.sh it says that wrong architetture
[22:26] <sipher> =/ tough luck
[22:28] <BUGabundo> can someone confirm FF 3.6 daily ppa lost the ability to change tabs with ALT+NUM ?
[22:30] <yofel> BUGabundo: wfm
[22:30] <BUGabundo> :(
[22:31] <KB1JWQ> BUGabundo: Check your config.
[22:31] <BUGabundo> for ?
[22:31] <erghezi> BUGabundo: no , it works for me
[22:31] <sipher> hey, having problems installing grub. this url explains the problem for the most part. http://elitter.net/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=148
[22:32] <mauri> sipher: may you help me?
[22:32] <Dawgmatix> automount is mounting ntfs disks in such a way in lucid that I cannot change any file permissions
[22:32] <sipher> mauri: no
[22:32] <sipher> mauri: install the 32 bit version =/
[22:32] <yofel> Dawgmatix: you could never change file permissions on ntfs
[22:33] <Dawgmatix> (chmod succeeds but has no effect)
[22:33] <Dawgmatix> ah
[22:33] <Dawgmatix> what about fat?
[22:33] <sipher> fat doesn't have any..
[22:33] <Dawgmatix> :)
[22:33] <Dawgmatix> nice
[22:33] <Dawgmatix> cool
[22:33] <yofel> Dawgmatix: neither, permissions are set when mounting it
[22:33] <mauri> sipher: but mp560 is the same of lide100?
[22:33] <sipher> mauri: same brand.
[22:34] <mauri> sipher: do you think that it is enought?
[22:34] <sipher> mauri: but if there is no 64 bit support =/ I'm assuming your out of luck. Printer will not work with ubuntu.
[22:34] <sipher> mauri: no, you need to find the correct drivers.
[22:34] <mauri> sipher: it is a scannar not printer
[22:37] <benkevan> anyone else unfortunate enough to be using Lotus Notes and running 10.04?
[22:43] <markl_> ok why is YouTube telling me to upgrade flash when i'm on ubuntu 10.04 ?
[22:44] <benkevan> markl: Are you using Opera?
[22:45] <markl_> chrome
[22:45] <benkevan> link?
[22:45] <markl_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9BCTF6SIlc
[22:45] <markl_> where the video should be it says Old Flash? Go upgrade!
[22:46] <markl_> i should be on 10.0.45.2ubuntu1
[22:46] <benkevan> I can see it just fine.. what do you have in about:plugins
[22:46] <benkevan> I'm guessing you're not using adobe flash.. :( .. so It may be checking it wrong..
[22:46] <markl_> ok maybe the flash plugin just nuked itself, i can probably fix that
[22:46] <benkevan> File name: libflashplayer.so
[22:46] <benkevan> Shockwave Flash 10.0 r45
[22:47] <benkevan> is what I'm using just fine
[22:47] <markl_> yeah i can't wait for lnux mint to come out and install all of this stuff out of the box
[22:47] <benkevan> flashplugin-nonfree < is what I'm using
[22:47] <awc> When I boot my system, after the grub screen all i get in a blank screen. any suggestions?
[22:48] <benkevan> awc: did you make any changes to /etc/defaults/grub ? or /boot/grub/grub.cfg ?
[22:48] <awc> well, i had some trouble with grub after i reinstalled windows on my machine
[22:48] <awc> but after following the instructions on the #grub chan everything seemed to work fine
[22:49] <benkevan> oh NOW the truth comes out :P
[22:49] <markl_> File name: libflashplayer.so
[22:49] <markl_> Shockwave Flash 10.0 r45
[22:49] <markl_> no worky.  weird
[22:49] <benkevan> markl_: dpkg --list flash*
[22:50] <markl_> is there a way to make Hulu work full screen 720p without being so slow?
[22:50] <markl_> do they have some sort of video acceleration on some platforms or something?
[22:50] <markl_> e.g. does 10.04 have a flashplugin-nonfree-vdpau
[22:50] <markl_> that would rock
[22:51] <markl_> flashplugin-installer, flashplugin-nonfree, flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound
[22:51] <markl_> maybe a delete/reinstall will help
[22:51] <benkevan> or just a reinstall :)
[22:51] <benkevan> haha
[22:51] <benkevan> but yeah.. it may
[22:51] <markl_> heh
[22:52] <markl_> install/re-delete
[22:53] <ZykoticK9> markl_, i haven't heard of any accelerated Flash under linux yet
[22:54] <awc> benkevan, so if those files got changed, how would i go about returning them to their original state (or rather the properone?
[22:56] <NinoScript> Hello!
[22:56] <NinoScript> How can I make a custom keyboard layout? xmodmap stopped working in my last update
[22:56] <markl_> ZykoticK9: does it exist on other platforms?  is that probably why hulu is so painful on linux?
[22:56] <ZykoticK9> markl_, i "hear" windows has it yes
[22:57] <benkevan> awc: yo ucan do a grub-update
[22:57] <benkevan> or reinstall grub on your mbr
[22:58] <yofel> hm, has anyone else lost thumbnails in dolphin since a while ago?
[22:58] <awc> but i just did those yesterday
[23:05] <yofel> ok, just got disabled somehow o.O
[23:06] <almoxarife> An Arizona lawmaker fears her state is becoming a "laughing stock" after the state House passed a bill that will force President Barack Obama to present his birth certificate before being certified to run for president in the state.
[23:07] <almoxarife> www.azcentral.com/news/election/azelections/articles/2010/04/19/20100419birther-bill-arizona-approved-by-house.html
[23:07] <yofel> !ot
[23:07] <almoxarife> sorry
[23:07] <almoxarife> wrong channel
[23:13] <benkevan> anyone unfortunate enough to have Lotus Notes and Ubuntu 10.04
[23:13] <droid7> nope
[23:13] <droid7> what's the problem?
[23:14] <benkevan> HTML emails aren't coming displaying in preview.. or when reading..
[23:14] <benkevan> but I can get the message to come up, if I do reply ..
[23:14] <awc> hmm
[23:15] <awc> updating grub didn't work, any other hypotheses out there that might explain why my laptop won't boot?
[23:16] <droid7> benkevan, sorry can't help. Not familiar with lotus notes :/
[23:16] <droid7> awc, what do you mean by it won't boot? hangs at grub, black screen?
[23:16] <awc> black screen after grub
[23:17] <droid7> ah
[23:17] <droid7> i had that with my laptop with 9.10
[23:17] <ZykoticK9> awc, if it's after grub then it's probably a plymouth issue (no idea on solution though), good luck
[23:17] <droid7> graphics driver?
[23:17] <awc> intel
[23:17] <droid7> yep
[23:17] <arand> awc: Reinstall grub from liveCD?
[23:17] <droid7> it's the driver
[23:17] <awc> done
[23:17] <droid7> are you using 10.04?
[23:17] <awc> poo, any fixes?
[23:17] <awc> yes
[23:18] <droid7> yeah i think
[23:18] <awc> live cd for 9.04 though
[23:18] <droid7> 9.04 works?
[23:18] <awc> the livecd does
[23:18] <marenostrum> Dear friends, what is the latest kernel in Lucid?
[23:18] <droid7> hm that's strange
[23:18] <awc> i haven't tried installing it
[23:18] <ZykoticK9> marenostrum, 2.6.21-21 i believe
[23:18] <droid7> marenostrum, 2.6.32-21-generic
[23:18] <marenostrum> thanks
[23:19] <droid7> oops
[23:19] <droid7> nvm
[23:19] <ZykoticK9> marenostrum, typo in mine droid7 is correct
[23:19] <marenostrum> thanks
[23:19] <droid7> np
[23:19] <droid7> i drank too much coffee. i'm all over the place :S
[23:20] <droid7> awc, in that case I'm not sure it's intel. but it sounds like it might be related to graphics drivers. If you can figure out how to disable loading the driver via grub (kernel line), and boot into command then we can try and figure things out
[23:21] <droid7> or just generate a new grub file with the livecd and copy it over
[23:21] <awc> haha figure something out, me? I'm a linux n00b i'm a fraid
[23:21] <ZykoticK9> awc, have you tried removing "quiet splash" from the boot line?
[23:21] <droid7> so grub works but it's just black after?
[23:21] <awc> quiet slpash?
[23:21] <awc> thats correct
[23:22] <awc> http://grub.enbug.org/Grub2LiveCdInstallGuide <-- i just did that moments ago so i think grub is ok
[23:22] <awc> ZykoticK9, how would I go about removing quiet splash?
[23:22] <droid7> try ZykoticK9 's suggestion
[23:22] <droid7> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/BootOptions
[23:22] <ZykoticK9> awc, hold SHIFT to get grub menu (if you don't see it), then use the e key to edit the kernel line you are using - then remove the quiet splash part
[23:23] <awc> erm
[23:23] <awc> ahh ok
[23:23] <awc> I'll give it a shot
[23:23] <awc> brb
[23:25] <gartral|droid> hey all, seems i hit aa serious issue with kernal/nvidia drivers. naimly, after compiling the drivers for a new kernal, after reboot x hangs on the ready tone/jingle thing and loops it, leaving the system unreponsive until i reboot into safe mode and run nvidia-xconfig
[23:26] <TecnoBrat> I don't know enough about the bug tracking for lucid, etc .. but this bug affects Lucid, and anyone with a Hauppage TV card won't be able to use their remote https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lirc/+bug/550369
[23:26] <TecnoBrat> doesn't seem to be assigned to "Lucid"
[23:26] <TecnoBrat> not sure if it should be but it definitely affects lucid :)
[23:27] <ZykoticK9> TecnoBrat, do you have a Hauppage 1600 by chance?
[23:27] <TecnoBrat> No, a 350
[23:27] <PatrickDK> I have a 350 and 1600
[23:28] <PatrickDK> haven't upgraded that box to lucid, running karmic, I need it stable :)
[23:28] <ZykoticK9> TecnoBrat, my 1600 is detected as Hauppauge but remote doesn't work :(  there is a but about it
[23:28] <ZykoticK9> s/but/bug
[23:29] <TecnoBrat> ZykoticK9: if syslog says Hauppage when it boots (grep for lirc_i2c) then its a different issue
[23:29] <gartral> how do i make gnome go back to click too focus?
[23:29] <TecnoBrat> if it says Leadtek, then its the same issue
[23:29] <ZykoticK9> TecnoBrat, it's certainly a different issue
[23:30] <gartral> how do i make gnome go back to click-to-focus having to roll my curser over the chat is anoying
[23:30] <gartral> nvm, wierd bug
[23:31] <sburwood> How long will it be before Thunderbird will be repaired?  I imagine when the final version of Lucid comes out
[23:31] <TecnoBrat> ZykoticK9: there is quite a few random bug fixes in the upstream code from what I can see
[23:31] <sburwood> and I've been having problems with Evolution
[23:32] <gartral> sburwood: what problems?
[23:32] <TommyThaGun> that's crazy
[23:32] <TommyThaGun> I changed my firefox over the the new one in the 10.4 repos, but I never changed my thunderbird
[23:32] <TommyThaGun> I'm still using ubuntuzilla's thunderbird, and now I'm glad I was lazy
[23:32] <yofel> sburwood: what's wrong with thunderbird?
[23:33] <sburwood> With Thunderbird, it seems to start up, but crashes (is compiz a part of Thunderbird?
[23:33] <sburwood> )
[23:33] <ZykoticK9> sburwood, are you using karmic?
[23:33] <sburwood> no, lucid beta 2, if I'm not mistaken
[23:33] <yofel> sburwood: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2010-April/000708.html mabe?
[23:34] <sburwood> as for Evolution the size is not always the same.  And sending messages via one of my e-mail addresses just fails
[23:34] <yofel> *maybe
[23:34] <TecnoBrat> PatrickDK: just an FYI, there is a patch I put on that ticket, which makes the 350 work.  There was a comment further down with some patches from upstream.  If you compile from source with those patches, at least you will have a working remote :)
[23:35] <ZykoticK9> indicator-messages showing multiple "Compose New Message" and "Contacts" -- any suggestions?
[23:35] <awc> well, that helped, so its not just a black screen anymore
[23:36] <droid2>     huh
[23:36] <gartral|droid> heh
[23:36] <awc> the boot hangs at "Adding 3004112k swap on /dev/sda6 Pririty:-1 extents:1 across:3004112k
[23:36] <benkevan> awc: be careful with those instructions as they look to be for the previous version of GRUB..
[23:37] <PatrickDK> oh, I don't use the remote
[23:37] <benkevan> all changes should be done in /etc/default/grub (as I indicated before)
[23:37] <PatrickDK> only the tv/svideo inputs
[23:37] <awc> thats where the guys in #grub told me to go
[23:37] <benkevan> you can set to something like GRUB_GFXMODE=1280x1024x32 ..
[23:37] <benkevan> Be careful with that though, since you have to know what your computer will support (which can be found using vbeinfo in the grub menu..)
[23:38] <awc> erm
[23:38] <awc> ya, that doesn't really mean anything to me
[23:38] <benkevan> haha.. ok.. but looking at the error above.. you're beyond the grub quiet :)
[23:38] <awc> yep
[23:39] <awc> ohh, and i managed to spell Priority wrong too
[23:39] <awc> (not sure if it makes a difference or not)
[23:39] <benkevan> yeah.. I noticed that :P
[23:40] <benkevan> is this during install? or after yo uinstall and try to boot
[23:40] <sburwood> can anyone give me a suggestion to this situation?
[23:40] <gartral> elly: hi
[23:40] <sburwood> http://www.pastebin.org/163236
[23:40] <benkevan> sburwood: Sure.. hope that helped
[23:40] <awc> its while booting up
[23:40] <gartral|droid> elly hi
[23:40] <benkevan> sburwood.. man unlink :)
[23:41] <sburwood> I don't get the same message.  I get one with 2 references to .thunderbird and one to thunderbird-upstream
[23:41] <benkevan> awc: booting after installation? or to do the installation
[23:41] <awc> booting after the installation i believe
[23:41] <elly> gartral|droid: do you see this?
[23:41] <yofel> sburwood: it's broken: /home/steve/.thunderbird -> /home/steve/.thunderbird is wrong
[23:42] <awc> I'm not quite sure as to the installation of what you are refferring too
[23:42] <benkevan> sburwood: again .. man unlink .. then unlink the symlink that's pointing to itself
[23:42] <sburwood> yofel, what do I do to fix that?
[23:42] <awc> referring**
[23:42] <benkevan> awc: the installatoin of Ubuntu (are you able to boot to a live cd?)
[23:42] <awc> yes, thats what i'm on right now
[23:43] <benkevan> ok.. but when you try to boot to the actual hard drive.. it fails? ..
[23:43] <awc> live live cd for 9.04 x64
[23:43] <awc> yep
[23:43] <yofel> sburwood: follow the steps on the maling list post (~ equals /home/steve)
[23:43] <benkevan> why are you in #ubuntu+1 for 9.04? haha..
[23:43] <awc> i'm running 10.04
[23:43] <awc> its the only live cd i have
[23:43] <benkevan> awc: ah.. ok.. just booting in 9.04.. ok gotcha now..
[23:43] <awc> ja
[23:43] <benkevan> ya*
[23:43] <benkevan> ;)
[23:45] <sburwood> yofel: Just one last question.  What do I do if I don't have a .thunderbird directory?  I do, however, have a .thunderbird-upstream directory
[23:45] <benkevan> awc: can you mount the hard drives while in your live cd and run a check on them? (or are the EXT4?) .. also can you go to /var/log/mesages to see if we can maybe see what's actually hanging
[23:45] <awc> as far as i know they are ext4
[23:46] <awc> check as in fsck?
[23:46] <coldfire> if i install 10.04 beta 2 now will it be able to update to the offical 10.04 next week thru update manager?
[23:46] <TecnoBrat> I don't think 9.04 supported ext4 did it?
[23:46] <awc> coldfire, yes
[23:46] <ZykoticK9> !final | coldfire
[23:46] <TecnoBrat> oh it did, nm
[23:46] <TecnoBrat> yea fsck awc
[23:46] <awc> ok
[23:47] <yofel> sburwood: the .thunderbird file is the broken symlink, delete that and move the proper .thunderbird.upstream dir back to .thunderbird 'rm ~/.thunderbird; mv ~/.thunderbird.upstream ~/.thunderbird'
[23:48] <coldfire> ubottu so i need to: udo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade when 10.04 gets released next week?
[23:48] <awc> /dev/sda5: recovering journal
[23:48] <awc> /dev/sda5: clean, 272694/4669440 files, 12822192/18667522 blocks
[23:48] <KB1JWQ> Error: I am only a bot, please don't think I'm intelligent :)
[23:48] <yofel> coldfire: you can just check with update-manager too
[23:49] <yofel> sburwood: or .thunderbird-upstream if that's the folder name you have
[23:50] <sburwood> Got it.  Of course, it no longer finds the passwords, so I'll have to remove the adresses and put them back
[23:50] <coldfire> yofel: do just keeping update in update manager is good enough
[23:50] <coldfire> ?
[23:50] <yofel> yes
[23:50] <coldfire> ok thanks all
[23:53] <benkevan> awc: can you try to boot now
[23:54] <sburwood> I want to thank everyone who helped.  I'm a newbie to playing around with Linux, but wouldn't go back to Windows for anything
[23:58] <mrsun> ffs, can i reset the compiz settings to default somehow?
[23:58] <mrsun> i cant even cahnge workspaces anymore :/