[03:55] desktoppers - get your blueprints registered!! [03:55] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?searchtext=desktop-maverick [03:55] should be showing up on that list ^ [03:59] Thats on my agenda for this afternoon. [04:01] * rickspencer3 whip cracking noises [04:01] ;) [05:22] robert_ancell: I see you've registered a colour-management spec. I look forward to working that out - I was going to register one of those, too :) [06:07] RAOF, please flesh it out :) === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [07:37] Good morning [07:45] Good morning pitti [07:46] hey RAOF< how are you? [07:46] Pretty good. [07:47] I've got access to an espresso machine at my brother's flat. [07:47] This is good :) [07:50] Yourself? [07:50] I hope that a huge plume of volcanic ash is providing magnificent sunsets/sunrises? [07:51] so they say, but I didn't actually watch it yesterday [07:51] too many houses around me [07:51] but perhaps this evening I should do a bicycle tour uphill, and watch it from there [07:53] in fact I was on the bike yesterday evening on the way to Taekwondo, but sundown was later on while I was in the gym already [07:55] Sounds like a plan to me! [07:56] Take a camera :) [07:56] absolutely [07:56] today it's cloudy, but forecasts look great from tomorrow on [07:57] I sincerely hope things calm down for UDS. [08:05] Maybe there could be a huge plume on Tuesday evening so we can get a nice sunset, and then clear by Wed so that all the flights can be cleared by the time we need to go home? :) [08:10] Yes, but getting there in the first place. [08:10] Well, that too. [08:10] It looks like it should hopefully be ok to get there. [08:12] yeah [08:18] good morning [08:18] Morning, didrocks [08:19] hey RAOF, how was your day? [08:19] * RAOF has just noticed that he mentally pronounces “didrocks” as “didierocks” for some reason :) [08:19] (it's done on purposer didrocks == Didier Roche) ;) [08:19] didrocks: It involved much intel driver madness, a nice lunch, and an espresso machine. All in all, pretty good. [08:19] espresso machine sounds good :) [08:29] hello there [08:31] salut seb128 [08:31] lut didrocks [08:31] en forme ? [08:31] bien dormis ? [08:31] bonjour seb128 [08:31] hey pitti, how are you ? [08:32] bit tired (woke up too early), but fine; thanks! how are you? [08:32] I'm good thanks [08:32] when did you woke up? [08:32] around 7 [08:32] but I went to bed at 0:30 [08:32] oh, short night then ;-) [08:33] brb quick session restart after upgrade [08:34] seb128: nuit courte également, mais bien dormis :) et toi? [08:35] j'ai bien dormis et 8h ce qui est correct ;-) [08:35] dormis -> dormant -> sleeping? :-) [08:35] yes [08:36] I slept well and 8 hours [08:36] je parlez francais! [08:36] so I can't complain ;-) [08:36] * didrocks install French to pitti :) [08:39] hum, glib 2.25 with gsettings has a tarball [08:40] seb128: wanting to try new crack? :-) [08:40] I guess it's the good time for an upload :-) [08:40] pitti, wanting new crack in lucid! [08:40] * seb128 ru;-) [08:41] ups, running and forgetting to type letters ;-) [08:41] it's just glib, what could possibly go wrong [08:45] with some luck the update might give us debug symbols too who knows ;-) [08:50] seb128: (looking at create-dbgsym now) [08:50] we don't actually treat udebs in any special way [08:51] ok [08:56] bah my one liner crash fixers from yesterday have been rejected [08:56] didn't we use to accept some fixes between rc and stable? [09:03] yes, we usually did [09:06] bah glib 2.25 is just glib 2.24 but better, right ? :) [09:06] so you have my approval for an upload :) [09:07] Oooh! Oooh! Can I use that reasoning, too? [09:13] * Ng wonders if the order of Fn-F7 has intentionally changed. The first poke used to extend onto my external monitor, now it mirrors and the second poke extends [09:14] seb128: argh, I got it, I think [09:14] pitti, oh? [09:14] $ echo "libglib2.0-0-refdbg libglib2.0-udeb" | grep -wq 'libglib2.0-0' [09:14] Ng, they are not meant to have assigned action but to cycle between available configs [09:14] grep -wq matches "libglib2.0-0" on "libglib2.0-0-refdbg" (which is referenced with -N) [09:15] oh [09:15] seb128: what controls the ordering of those configs? It doesn't really matter that it's changed, I'm just curious if this is a deliberate thing or if maybe no ordering is guaranteed and it's going to keep changing on each reboot or something [09:16] * pitti wants grep to understand Perl's "WORD"s [09:16] anyway, I'll write a test case and figure it out [09:16] Ng, I'm not sure if xorg returns the info in a deterministic way [09:16] pitti, thanks [09:16] fair enough :) [09:48] hello everyone [09:48] morning chrisccoulson [09:49] hey james_w, how are you? [09:49] good thanks, you? [09:49] hey chrisccoulson, hello james_w [09:49] hey pitti, how are you? [09:49] hey pitti, how are you? [09:49] hey chrisccoulson and james_w :) [09:49] jinx! [09:49] james_w - yeah, i'm good too thanks [09:49] hey didrocks [09:49] salut didrocks [09:50] great, thanks! how about you guys? [09:51] pitti - yeah, good thanks. had quite an early night last night, so i'm quite refreshed today [09:55] dpkg-deb: Baue Paket »libglib2.0-0-dbgsym« in »../libglib2.0-0-dbgsym_2.24.0-0ubuntu2_amd64.ddeb«. [09:55] hah [09:55] seb128: ^ [10:02] pitti, \o/ [10:02] uploaded, will talk to Steve [10:02] pitti, thanks [10:10] hey everyone, firefox 3.6.4 is in the u-m-s PPA now. please test :-) [10:10] pitti seb128 didrocks ^^ [10:10] what is u-m-s? [10:11] can you give the ppa:url there? ;-) [10:11] ubuntu-main-sponsor has a ppa? [10:11] seb128 - i can, when my internet catches up ;) [10:11] didrocks, I think it's rather a ubuntu-mozilla-something [10:12] ppa:ubuntu-mozilla-security/pp [10:12] a [10:12] oops ;) [10:12] I was surprised too :) [10:12] thanks [10:12] wow, my internet is going super slow today, it's maxed out by a torrent going at 60kB/s [10:32] seb128: is glib2.0 in bzr/ [10:32] ? [10:32] pitti, I don't think so [10:32] seb128: merci [10:33] * pitti prepares another no-change upload [10:33] pitti, de rien [10:33] pitti, danke [10:33] * seb128 refresh sru procedure knowledge and get ready to start on lucid sru uploads [10:33] since lucid-proposed is supposed to be open let's see how it works today ;-) [10:43] does someone knows why I don't get French spell checker in thunderbird on Lucid? [10:43] had it on Karmic before the upgrade [10:44] seb128: didn't you fix a similar issue recently? ^ [10:45] didrocks, I fixed it for GNOME, I don't know about thunderbird [10:46] Zdra, is thunderbird-locale-fr installed? [10:46] yep [10:46] version 1:3.0.4-0ubuntu1 [10:46] ok so I don't know [10:46] I don't use thunderbird [10:46] #ubuntu-mozilla might know [10:46] I have hunspell-fr installed too [10:47] does spellchecking works in i.e gedit? [10:47] bug # [10:47] 509248 [10:47] seb128, working in gedit/empathy [10:47] bug 509248 [10:47] Launchpad bug 509248 in thunderbird "[PPA] Thunderbird 3 Shows only English dictionary in Spell menu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509248 [10:48] seb128, thanks :) [10:48] could be the same issue [10:49] let me know if the workaround described in the bug works for you [10:56] seb128, installing manually a thunderbird extention to have the dictionnaire works ;) [10:57] did you try what was described in the bug? [10:58] would be useful to get the issue fixed rather than having to install things manually to workaround the bug [11:00] seb128, the link works too [11:00] Zdra, thanks for testing [11:00] sudo ln -s /usr/share/myspell/dicts/ /usr/lib/thunderbird-3.0.4/dictionaries [11:03] seb128, would be great if you/someone can make an upload to lucid with that fix [11:04] can usb-creator only create startup disks for ubuntu? [11:04] Zdra, I will see what we can do [11:04] you want a thunderbird bug fixing? [11:05] that one looks pretty trivial actually [11:06] trivial to fix, but nasty for users [11:06] chrisccoulson: usb-creator> question for ev, I think [11:06] pitti - i can't seem to make it create a fedora startup disk :( [11:06] i wanted to try some things on their latest beta ;) [11:07] chrisccoulson: just boot it in kvm? [11:07] pitti - i'm trying, but the performance is so bad on my laptop now that it's almost impossible to use [11:07] * hyperair wishes his cpu has kvm support [11:07] chrisccoulson: oh? WDYM with "now"? [11:08] pitti - my laptop has sucked really bad since the weekend [11:09] chrisccoulson, did you reboot it since? [11:10] I got some very slow io issue which went away after reboot [11:10] seb128 - several times. my issue seems to fix itself temporarily after a reboot, but then it comes back again [11:10] chrisccoulson, bug #509248 seems not restricted to ppa build and should be fixed in lucid or lucid updates, can you check with micahg if he's working on it? [11:10] Launchpad bug 509248 in thunderbird "[PPA] Thunderbird 3 Shows only English dictionary in Spell menu" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/509248 [11:11] seb128 - i'll probably just push the fix straight to bzr, as micahg is not around until later anyway [11:11] chrisccoulson, right, I got it several times too, I reboot my laptop once a day at the moment though and it didn't come back this week yet [11:11] chrisccoulson, ok thanks [11:14] shrug [11:14] bryceh, when you start the weekly meeting wikipage could you use the template? [11:15] oh, need to prep my report, too [11:15] seb128: you're the team meeting master today, right? [11:15] pitti, yes, I'm setting the wiki page and about to send the reminder [11:20] pitti, ok, let's see if I got this contact the team right ;-) [11:20] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2010-04-20 online too [11:21] seb128, FYI I just release Empathy 2.30.0.2 [11:22] cassidy, I've noticed thanks, too late for lucid but we will get it in a stable update [11:22] you're fast :) [11:22] I released it like, 5 minutes ago [11:22] cassidy: didn't you know? seb128 is behind you ;) [11:22] ah! [11:23] cassidy, I've seen the commit 12 minutes ago on #commits [11:23] ahhh :) [11:23] ;-) [11:23] I like watching #commits ;-) [11:24] * didrocks joins, can be interesting sometimes to see what should be backported if needed === DrPepperKid is now known as MacSlow [11:25] didrocks, do you want to do the empathy update as a sru? no hurry you have a good week before it's going to be reviewed or approved anyway now [11:26] seb128: sure, did you previous uploads to -proposed succeeded? [11:26] didrocks, yes, I did one to try [11:26] it seems to have worked fine I got the waiting for moderation email [11:27] ok, doing it for empathy so before eod :) === ogra_ is now known as ogra [11:36] yep, there are two proposed uploads on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+queue?queue_state=1 [11:41] so, the fedora accountsdialog tool is quite nice [11:41] and it configures gdm options like auto-login too [12:27] seb128 - are people just registering blueprints now? should i create a list of blueprints somewhere first before registering them? === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch [12:28] chrisccoulson, hum, what do you mean by just now? [12:28] chrisccoulson, you didn't get the reminder from rick some days ago about those? [12:28] chrisccoulson, to reply to the question no need to create a list somewhere, just follow the convention as described on the wikipage in the meeting reminder [12:29] seb128 - i did. but i wasn't sure whether to register the ones i have or create a list somewhere first [12:29] but, that answers my question anyway [12:29] thanks [12:29] yw ;-) === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [13:13] hey Zdra, do you have thunderbird-gnome-support installed? [13:14] (just saw your comment on bug 543064) [13:14] Launchpad bug 543064 in thunderbird "ensure that x-www-browser is used if no http handler is found through gnome integration" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/543064 [13:14] chrisccoulson, no and I learnt about it 10s earlier from bug 526290 [13:14] Launchpad bug 526290 in thunderbird "Thunderbird 3 hyperlinks broken" [Low,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/526290 [13:14] Zdra - cool, does it work then? [13:14] didn't check yet, let me try [13:14] (not having -gnome-support after upgrade is an issue_ [13:17] chrisccoulson, fixed the issue, yes [13:18] \o/ === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow === gnomefreak76 is now known as gnomefreak [15:13] cassidy, hey [15:14] cassidy, how likely is proxy support going to go in next cycle and for which telepathy components? ;-) [15:14] it's merged in tp-butterfly but not released yes [15:14] cassidy, is there anything we can do to help making that happens [15:14] we have done lot of work improving libproxy and adding proxy support to gnio [15:15] once it's done it should be pretty easy to hook it into Gabble [15:15] seb128: did you update the libproxy version finally or not? [15:15] seb128, best to ask to Maiku on #telepathy [15:15] staz, to 0.3.1 which is what debian has, the newest version broke abi and changed soname [15:16] cassidy, ok thanks, seems likely to go in next cycle then [15:16] seb128: that should be enought for telepathy-butterfly then [15:16] seb128: do you want me to make a release or will you just merge the patch in the package? [15:16] staz, good, I was just checking for other protocols since some users are vocal on that bug [15:17] staz, we are frozen for lucid now, I will consider options for stable updates if we want that after lucid [15:17] seb128, like I said... [15:17] ie in a good week from now [15:17] not sure for haze though [15:17] seb128: oh too bad :/ [15:17] rahh felipe is already pissing me off [15:18] cassidy, ignore him [15:18] that's what I tend to do :) [15:18] Oh, you know him? ;-) [15:18] a bit.. [15:18] "I don't know who proxies work in libpurple/haze" isn't that clear enough ? [15:18] (with s/who/how) [15:20] I was going to make the remark ;) [15:20] (on *how) [15:49] vish, hum, what do you mean by banshee is being considered default player for next cycle? [15:51] seb128_: there was a chat here that banshee is being considered, dj_siegel1 and robbie_w or rick, i guess [15:51] seb128_: something about users testing and discussing in the UDS [15:51] there's a blueprint about it too [15:52] vish, where, when? [15:52] i just don't remember where [15:52] we are not going to have this discussion are uds most likely [15:52] lucid's UDS highlighted a few blocking issues. [15:52] seb128_: 2days back , let me find the logs [15:52] shrug [15:52] I guess some lobbying from banshee users again [15:53] * hyperair wonders if there were any more outstanding issues. [15:56] seb128_: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/15/%23ubuntu-desktop.html#t16:06 .. not much though ;) [15:56] we should start by asking if there is any outstanding reason to switch [15:56] rhythmbox is as actively worked as banshee nowadays [15:56] it got syncing support in git now which was one of the main reason to consider banshee [15:56] does rb support proper syncing with portable players= [15:56] ? [15:57] that's the only usecase of banshee for me [15:57] well, "proper", I'm not sure how buggy the new code git is since it's new [15:57] +in [15:57] but rhythmbox got syncing yes [15:57] also rhythmbox is written in a language most people in the desktop team know [15:57] :) [15:57] seb128_: by the way, indicator-application is still pending upload. [15:58] rather than in one which we might move out of the CD because having it to maintain it for 1 application installed by default is costy [15:58] also, it should use the cover.FOO found on the disk and not fetch some random image from the net [15:58] hyperair, can you get ted to merge the change and suggest this for upload? [15:58] but I guess that's filed already [15:58] tedg: ^^ [15:58] tjaalton, rhythmbox? it does that, the provider there were using cut them because it was creating too much load [15:59] seb128_, what do you think about bug 566909 [15:59] Launchpad bug 566909 in empathy "Offline contacts not showed by default" [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566909 [15:59] worth patching and trying to get in post RC? [15:59] seb128_: yes rb, need to check how it works in lucid [15:59] kenvandine, is there anything to think? [15:59] kenvandine, no [15:59] kenvandine: fixed in 2.30.0.2 [15:59] kenvandine, didrocks did the update for a sru after lucid [15:59] is .2 released yet? [15:59] at! [15:59] great [15:59] thx [15:59] tjaalton, device syncing is not in the lucid version though [16:00] seb128_: ok [16:00] my ipod is broken anyway :) [16:08] hyperair: Which one is missing? I thought we were on 0ubuntu4, right? [16:10] hey dudes [16:10] Ah, I see. seb128_ can you merge this please? https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~indicator-applet-developers/indicator-application/lucid/+merge/23591 [16:10] looks like we don't have to cancel UDS :D [16:10] hey desrt [16:10] *the cloud lifts* [16:10] :) [16:11] hey desrt [16:11] kenvandine, didrocks; hi hi [16:11] desrt: no more ash? [16:11] looks like flights are starting to move [16:12] i read this morning that over half of the .eu flights have resumed [16:12] the UK might not until the end of the week [16:12] well i guess as long as there isn't a third eruption [16:12] in a couple of weeks there will be no problem i'm sure [16:12] ccheney, true :) [16:12] ccheney: find some wood and knock on it now, plz. [16:12] desrt: heh :) [16:12] * kenvandine knocks [16:12] hey desrt [16:13] * didrocks still says that he never had a so beautiful weather in Paris since this volcanic cloud is here :) [16:13] seb128_: hey [16:13] seb128_: got some good news for you [16:13] you asked me two questions at last UDS [16:13] 1) will GVariant be done? 2) will GSettings be done? [16:13] i tell you today that they're both done and merged :p [16:14] (congrats for the gsettings hackfest BTW, nice work ;)) [16:14] ya. total success. [16:14] desrt, woot! [16:14] vuntz, mclasen and i were like robots [16:14] * kenvandine high fives desrt [16:15] desrt, well done, I need to look how the gconf gsettings backend is working now ;-) [16:15] seb128_: don't. [16:15] seb128_: it's not for you. [16:15] desrt, I still think having GNOME ported to gsettings in one cycle is very optimistic [16:15] desrt, is there any other working backend right now? [16:15] seb128_: nope :) [16:15] seb128_: we can do it if you help... [16:15] dconf will be along in a week or so [16:16] seb128_: i think it's well within our capabilities to get the entire live CD ported [16:16] ie: no gconf in the default install [16:16] -very- attainable goal for maverick [16:16] desrt, you are an optimistic man ;-) [16:17] seb128_: how long have you known me that you just figure this out now? :) [16:17] desrt, did you include proper configuration migration in that estimation ? [16:17] seb128_: we already have a reasonable story for that [16:17] mclasen, let's see [16:17] mclasen wrote a nice program there === seb128_ is now known as seb128 [16:17] it's already merged into gconf git [16:18] right, I noticed some changes in gconf which is way I wanted to look at the gconf backend ;-) [16:18] the gconf backend is only a porting tool [16:18] so that app authors can have their app in a half-using-gconf/half-using-gsettings state and still use it and test it [16:18] rather than having to hold their breath for the whole port and hoping it works out at the end [16:19] it's never meant to be deployed [16:19] ok [16:19] anyway I want to play with it [16:19] I doubt landing a new tech and having stable with everything ported to it in one cycle will work though [16:19] but I'm wanting to be proved wrong [16:20] you always hit annoying cases on the road or things which don't work well for easy porting and need some slight design changes [16:20] or bugs, or limitations [16:20] less than one cycle is very challenging to code through all those roundtrips [16:21] like it took years to go from libglade to gtkbuilder [16:21] and there was not so many migration concerns there, just the code changes to port to the new api [16:24] seb128: maybe there wasn't much motiviation from the devs to do it, like gtkbuilder didn't provide enough advantage to make spending time to port it worth [16:25] Good morning [16:26] staz, or lot of people are busy with real life and can't always manage to run current git for all platform and jump on new techs in one cycle [16:26] I keep getting left out of the template for the team meeting :( [16:27] staz, also I'm a bit concerned that one cycle to porting an hundred sofware it's jumping on new techs before having them reasonably tested which complicate any change that would be required [16:28] theses are valid point [16:30] seb128: would you mind bzr pushing the latest evince update? [16:34] pitti, done === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [16:37] Zdra - micahg - fixed the thunderbird dictionary issue in bzr now [16:47] is thunderbird seeded anywhere? [16:47] DVD certainly? [16:48] pitti - thanks. so, any fixes will have to wait until after RC now? [16:49] yes [17:00] aquarius, ping [17:00] pong [17:05] aquarius, got the mono lib for dektopcouch finished, is there anywhere where it can be announced ? your are the media guy ;) [17:07] mandel, er...on your blog, and I'll blog about it too? I don't have a masively obvious place for stuff like this. on the DC mailing list as well, of course! [17:08] aquarius, ok, I'll write some examples and will do... i'd be nice to have a place to do this things.. [17:08] mandel, I agree :) [17:12] rickspencer3, I've got a dentist appt this afternoon so will be attending the morning meeting [17:12] didrocks, you need to add a debdiff for the update to your sru bug [17:12] bryceh: uh, good luck [17:13] didrocks, you might also want to lp close some others bugs [17:13] bryceh, hey, rickspencer3 is not officially there today but noted ;-) [17:14] bryceh, btw when you start the wiki page please use the template next time [17:14] seb128: the debdiff is pretty big, but that can be added. What do you mean by "you might also want to lp close some others bugs" ? [17:15] didrocks, the first one listed had an apport looking title but was already listed as closed in 2.30.0.1 not sure why it's in the NEWS again, ignore that comment [17:15] seb128: that's why I didn't listed it :) [17:15] didrocks, I usually filter out documentation, translations and autotools files in a simplified debdiff [17:15] haven't* [17:15] ie debdiff --exclude configure ... [17:16] ok, can do [17:16] and gzip it [17:16] didrocks, you might also want to set it as wishlist [17:16] didrocks, oh and next time when it closes an open bug you can use that one for the update rather than opening a new version update bug [17:16] seb128: I wasn't sure about the priority, wishlist seems good, will do as well [17:17] seb128: oh sweet, I was thinking that wasn't allowed for SRU (it needed its own bug report with the debdiff, and so on for making the paperwork easier). I'll do that next time. [17:17] didrocks, and for the testcase you can use a "use the new version and make sure it still works correctly" ;-) (SRU usually need a testcase) [17:18] * didrocks updates the bug report now and generates the debdiff [17:19] didrocks, thanks [17:27] desktop team meeting in 3 minutes [17:29] * kenvandine waves [17:30] ArneGoetje, ccheney, chrisccoulson, didrocks, kenvandine, Nafai, pitti, Riddell, tseliot: meeting? [17:30] o/ [17:30] o/ [17:30] hey [17:30] o/ [17:30] \o [17:30] just to be different ;) [17:30] hey o/ [17:30] hi [17:30] I hope everybody is doing well [17:31] lucid! lucid! lucid! [17:31] * tseliot waves [17:31] rickspencer3 is not available to lead the meeting today so I will do that ;-) [17:31] so let's get started [17:31] not outstanding actions [17:31] no [17:31]