| godbyk | Hey, thorwil. How's it going? | 08:08 |
|---|---|---|
| thorwil | godbyk: hi, all good. you? | 08:28 |
| godbyk | Not too bad. | 08:28 |
| godbyk | Today was a low-mental-activity day. | 08:29 |
| godbyk | Just tidying up my office a bit, watching some tv, etc. | 08:29 |
| thorwil | godbyk: saw some odd dotted circles on the Thai titlepage | 08:33 |
| godbyk | thorwil: Is it in the repository? I can take a look | 08:34 |
| thorwil | godbyk: no, generated and not added | 08:34 |
| thorwil | godbyk: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/7887d654f450c47ac847452422eac6db | 08:35 |
| godbyk | thorwil: Okay. Let me run a test with TeX and see what it generates. | 08:39 |
| godbyk | thorwil: I've emailed you a PDF of how XeLaTeX renders the Thai. | 08:45 |
| godbyk | thorwil: I'm using the Norasi typeface from the ttf-thai-tlwg package. | 08:45 |
| godbyk | (Inkscape falls back on lame typefaces if the actual font isn't installed. So watch out for that.) | 08:46 |
| thorwil | godbyk: i do have Norasi, but Inkscape claims the title in the SVG is in Garuda!? | 08:47 |
| godbyk | Let me look. | 08:48 |
| thorwil | however, the symbols are the same if i switch to Norasi | 08:48 |
| godbyk | thorwil: Ah, Garuda would be the sans serif font I'm using. | 08:48 |
| godbyk | Let me try the PDF with that. | 08:48 |
| thorwil | godbyk: looking at the pdf -> the dotted circles shouldn't be there, the stuff drawn above them belongs to the characters to the left | 08:50 |
| godbyk | thorwil: I just sent you another PDF with Garuda this time. | 08:50 |
| godbyk | that's right. | 08:51 |
| godbyk | the dotted circles are placeholders. the are for the consonants. the bits above are the vowels. | 08:51 |
| godbyk | they should be set above the consonants. | 08:51 |
| thorwil | godbyk: i can fix that the brutal and hard way, if need be | 08:52 |
| thorwil | but then we'd lose the ability to switch to embedding fonts once that's available, for this one | 08:52 |
| godbyk | true | 08:52 |
| thorwil | did i say hard? fast and easy, actually, just inflexible result | 08:54 |
| ubuntujenkins | morning all | 09:17 |
| humphreybc | morning Luke! | 09:23 |
| thorwil | morning * | 09:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | quickshot is going to be amazing next release | 09:41 |
| humphreybc | is it? xD | 09:41 |
| ubuntujenkins | it will be god, we have lots planned | 09:43 |
| ubuntujenkins | *good | 09:43 |
| humphreybc | great, when are you planning it for? | 09:44 |
| ubuntujenkins | we didn't set a release date, august sometime i guess. | 09:45 |
| ubuntujenkins | it depends on how quickly we can get it done. but we are gtting it 100% right this time | 09:46 |
| ubuntujenkins | maveric ui freeze is 16t september | 09:47 |
| humphreybc | nice1 | 09:49 |
| humphreybc | !* | 09:49 |
| ubuntujenkins | you should see some ui sketches by the end of this week | 09:51 |
| popey | where is the latest build of the manual? | 10:08 |
| godbyk | popey: give me a moment and I'll build one for ya. | 10:10 |
| godbyk | popey: any particular language you're interested in? | 10:10 |
| popey | en | 10:10 |
| popey | en-gb if you have it :) | 10:10 |
| godbyk | popey: You can grab it from here: http://builds.ubuntu-manual.org/ | 10:12 |
| godbyk | I haven't updated the translations for a few days though. | 10:12 |
| godbyk | I'll let you know when it's done, though. | 10:13 |
| godbyk | (Waiting for Launchpad to email me the latest.) | 10:13 |
| popey | thanks | 10:13 |
| popey | http://ubuntu-manual.org/bugs is broken | 10:15 |
| thorwil | godbyk: oh boy, i havn't taken care of the titlepages for en_GB and en_AU, yet! ;) | 10:16 |
| humphreybc | popey, we haven't been focussing on our bug reporting thing much recently till we have time to use the Launchpad API and do it properly - for now you can report bugs on launchpad | 10:17 |
| popey | you might want to fix the link on the site then? | 10:17 |
| godbyk | popey: odd. I'll look into it. in the meantime, you can file bugs in launchpad or using the form here: http://spreadsheets.google.com/a/ubuntu-manual.org/viewform?hl=en&formkey=dHRrYlR0Q0RMRXRTaXJuR2w0QjFUcXc6MA | 10:17 |
| popey | done, thanks | 10:19 |
| popey | i see a bug i filed hasnt been fixed yet | 10:24 |
| godbyk | popey: is that bug in the "Introducing sudo" section? | 10:24 |
| popey | yes | 10:24 |
| popey | about apt-get | 10:24 |
| godbyk | okay. | 10:24 |
| godbyk | It may be a translation bug. I'll look in a moment. (Just got the latest translations from launchpad.) | 10:25 |
| godbyk | In the original American English version it looks correct, though. | 10:25 |
| popey | ah, i see | 10:29 |
| godbyk | I'm rebuilding all the PDFs with the latest translations now. We'll see how it turns out. | 10:30 |
| popey | good work | 10:30 |
| thorwil | godbyk: pushed Thai SVG with text converted to paths to put those accents into place | 10:38 |
| godbyk | thorwil: cool, thanks. | 10:39 |
| thorwil | hmm, looking at translation progress, i really have no reason to hurry :/ | 10:39 |
| godbyk | thorwil: true. | 10:40 |
| thorwil | godbyk: there doesn't happen to be an email-notification-on-progress system in place for translation on LP? | 10:40 |
| godbyk | thorwil: not that I'm aware of. | 10:42 |
| thorwil | Asturian pushed, that shall be it for today | 11:05 |
| godbyk | awesome. thanks, thorwil! | 11:07 |
| * semioticrobotic congratulates humphreybc on a fun interview with his former fellow Ubuntu PA Loco Team Member, pleia2 | 12:50 | |
| humphreybc | thanks Bryan! | 12:51 |
| humphreybc | Hey guys, good news, apparently we are "one of the largest open-source teams in the world" | 12:51 |
| humphreybc | https://www.ohloh.net/p/ubuntu-manual/factoids/2707707 | 12:51 |
| semioticrobotic | Just finished reading it. Nice work! | 12:51 |
| semioticrobotic | ah! very cool! | 12:51 |
| semioticrobotic | The Full Circle Podcast team gave us another shoutout this week, as they read my letter on the air | 12:52 |
| humphreybc | oh great | 12:52 |
| semioticrobotic | you'll hear it with about four minutes left in the broadcast | 12:53 |
| humphreybc | link? | 12:53 |
| semioticrobotic | on its way ... | 12:53 |
| semioticrobotic | http://fullcirclemagazine.org/2010/04/17/full-circle-podcast-4-its-everyone-elses-fault/ | 12:53 |
| humphreybc | what was your letter about? | 12:54 |
| humphreybc | My internet is really slow at the moment | 12:54 |
| humphreybc | can't download the podcast in reasonable time | 12:55 |
| ubuntujenkins | dutchie: ping | 16:11 |
| dutchie | ubuntulog: pong | 17:57 |
| dutchie | ubuntujenkins: pong | 17:57 |
| ubuntujenkins | dutchie: ping | 18:22 |
| dutchie | pong ish | 18:22 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello how did we get the manual braches names looking good? | 18:22 |
| dutchie | like lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1? | 18:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | yep | 18:23 |
| ubuntujenkins | i am trying to make lp:quickshot/server | 18:23 |
| dutchie | set it up as the dev focus for the lucid-e1 series | 18:23 |
| dutchie | i would show you, but I'm in the middle of supper | 18:24 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok when you have finished, i might get you too as i can't see how | 18:25 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: ping | 18:29 |
| dutchie | right | 18:30 |
| dutchie | https://edge.launchpad.net/quickshot/+addseries | 18:31 |
| dutchie | (i'll do it all, you can follow along) | 18:31 |
| ubuntujenkins | i haev made the branch | 18:31 |
| ubuntujenkins | https://code.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot | 18:31 |
| dutchie | just filled in the form on there, adding the branch as associated branch | 18:32 |
| ubuntujenkins | o i see now, You got the link from the main page | 18:33 |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks dutchie, makes sense | 18:33 |
| dutchie | and we're done :) | 18:33 |
| ubuntujenkins | sweet :) | 18:34 |
| ubuntujenkins | Red_HamsterX: ping | 18:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | quickshot ui idea so far, going to have a chat with godby-k tonight and see what ideas he has http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5012868/quickshot-ui.odp | 18:45 |
| ubuntujenkins | any one any suggestions/thoughts on it? | 18:45 |
| ubuntujenkins | its very rough | 18:47 |
| daker | hi @all | 19:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello daker | 19:35 |
| daker | what's up | 19:35 |
| ubuntujenkins | not much, should be doing course work | 19:35 |
| daker | what about the RC ? | 19:37 |
| ubuntujenkins | thats not today is it? | 19:37 |
| daker | ==== Release Candidate ==== | 19:38 |
| daker | April 20th 2010 - Version 0.9 | 19:38 |
| daker | https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual | 19:38 |
| ubuntujenkins | so it is we have had no problems then launcphad says it was released 16 hours ago | 19:39 |
| ubuntujenkins | well no one shouting on irc | 19:40 |
| daker | godbyk, godbyk-android | 19:51 |
| daker | !! | 19:51 |
| ubuntujenkins | daker: don't think he is around yet i am waiting for a pong from him | 19:51 |
| daker | oki | 19:51 |
| godbyk | Okay, I'm awake again. | 21:44 |
| Red_HamsterX | Hi, ubuntujenkins. | 21:44 |
| godbyk | Blame humphreybc--he's the one who kept me up so late. :) | 21:44 |
| ubuntujenkins | Red_HamsterX: I have started a new server branch lp:quickshot/server I haev copied the server stuff across but the server is not pointing at that branch yet | 21:45 |
| Red_HamsterX | 'Kay. | 21:45 |
| ubuntujenkins | hello godbyk ^^ can you change the server accross please | 21:45 |
| Red_HamsterX | I'll check it out so I don't mess up. Thanks for letting me know. :) | 21:45 |
| Red_HamsterX | Uh... No, don't point it there. | 21:46 |
| ubuntujenkins | als Red_HamsterX and godbyk have a look at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5012868/quickshot-ui.odp | 21:46 |
| Red_HamsterX | If we're going to do a from-scratch rebuild, we don't want the production environment to break. | 21:46 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: So I need to check out the lp:quickshot/server branch and point the site at that branch? | 21:46 |
| ubuntujenkins | no godbyk ignore that | 21:46 |
| godbyk | Will that interrupt any of the existing screenshots/process? | 21:46 |
| godbyk | okay. | 21:46 |
| Red_HamsterX | Slide 2 is actually supposed to be a small dialogue box, right, ubuntujenkins? | 21:47 |
| godbyk | lemme catch up on my email real quick and then I'll look at your document, ubuntujenkins. | 21:47 |
| ubuntujenkins | yep all basic ideais so far godby-k and i are going to discuss ideas | 21:47 |
| ubuntujenkins | as kevins degree is all about the design | 21:48 |
| Red_HamsterX | slide 3 could probably say "Your current language is English. If this is what you want, click next. Otherwise, pick your language from the list below." | 21:48 |
| godbyk | btw, ubuntujenkins and Red_HamsterX, I set up quickshot on ohloh. So you should claim your contributor names and 'apply' for manager status so I can approve it. https://www.ohloh.net/p/quickshot | 21:48 |
| ubuntujenkins | Proably a good idea Red_HamsterX | 21:50 |
| Red_HamsterX | red_hamsterx created on ohloh, godbyk. | 21:51 |
| ubuntujenkins | I have applied for manager status | 21:55 |
| Red_HamsterX | Slide 4 should have a little more detail: there should be a way to change the server being queried/add-or-remove servers and an 'import from file' button. (Apologies if you've already addressed this in your notes) | 21:56 |
| Red_HamsterX | Logically, projects that have expired will be culled automatically, bypassing the need for a way to remove individual entries. | 21:56 |
| Red_HamsterX | I like slide 6 as a concept. | 21:56 |
| Red_HamsterX | You might want to add a "general attributes" block below it, though, to let the user know about things like whether the window should be expanded to full screen or not. Possibly with a little help icon next to each element. | 21:57 |
| Red_HamsterX | There should also be a slide, immediately after the project is selected, that displays MOTD/project completion stats. | 21:58 |
| Red_HamsterX | (Recently completed languages and important updates) | 21:58 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok this is good, what do you mean by " there should be a way to change the server being queried/add-or-remove server" ? I thought we were putting the a ditionary of .qsprjt files on our server | 21:59 |
| Red_HamsterX | In slide 6, 'Skip' should probably be something more like 'View list of screenshots', and it might be best placed on the left of the spacer. | 22:00 |
| Red_HamsterX | Oh, yes, we are, but what if our server goes down or the domain dies? | 22:00 |
| ubuntujenkins | the spacer is a progress bar that appears when the prgram is doing something. View list of screenshots is a long thing to put on a button | 22:00 |
| Red_HamsterX | It's just a tiny feature. Not necessary, but probably easy to implement. | 22:01 |
| Red_HamsterX | True. We'd need a shorter name. | 22:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | I will work it in | 22:01 |
| Red_HamsterX | 'Skip' isn't very intuitive, though. | 22:01 |
| godbyk | okay, done with email. | 22:01 |
| godbyk | ubuntujenkins: I approved your manager status. | 22:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | I know couldn't think of anything else | 22:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks godbyk | 22:01 |
| Red_HamsterX | 'View list'? | 22:03 |
| * Red_HamsterX shrugs. | 22:03 | |
| ubuntujenkins | that could work | 22:03 |
| Red_HamsterX | Oh, on slide 6, we really need a "Let me out of here!" button. | 22:04 |
| Red_HamsterX | "Quit", probably. | 22:04 |
| Red_HamsterX | Other than that, it all looks good. | 22:05 |
| Red_HamsterX | Much better flow than before. | 22:05 |
| ubuntujenkins | well let godbyk have a good look at it first | 22:05 |
| Red_HamsterX | Of course. | 22:06 |
| godbyk | I'm reading through all of Red_HamsterX's comments. :-) | 22:06 |
| Red_HamsterX | I just meant that's all the input I can offer. | 22:06 |
| ubuntujenkins | thanks all welcome, I am updateing the file at the moment. I got bored of drawing :) | 22:06 |
| godbyk | Okay, done reading comments. I've finished paging through the slides. Let me refill my water glass and then I'll start commenting. brb. :) | 22:07 |
| godbyk | okay, I'm back. | 22:10 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok if you click the link again i THINK I have updated it with all of Red_HamsterX changes | 22:10 |
| godbyk | ok | 22:11 |
| ubuntujenkins | I tried to keep all the windows the same size so that it was less higgle de piggledy | 22:12 |
| godbyk | So the first slide.. is that what's shown as my normal user is as the quickshot user? | 22:12 |
| ubuntujenkins | normal user | 22:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | thats the only thing the normal user needs to see | 22:13 |
| ubuntujenkins | cuts out three stages from the old way | 22:14 |
| godbyk | It seems too abrupt. | 22:16 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok, what would be the best way to do it? | 22:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | Red_HamsterX: I would like to keep lp:quickshot for developement, would it make sense to move the current release to lp:quickshot/0.0.80? | 22:17 |
| godbyk | If this is their first time running the program, we need to explain briefly about what's going to happen. | 22:17 |
| ubuntujenkins | keep it on one window with more explination? I hand't really thought about the text yet | 22:18 |
| godbyk | I'd probably split it between two windows. | 22:18 |
| Red_HamsterX | Does Bazaar have a tagging convention? | 22:18 |
| godbyk | The first gives the intro and (if the quickshot user doesn't exist) asks for a password. | 22:19 |
| godbyk | Then the next window instructs the user to close all their programs and log out and back in as the quickshot user. | 22:19 |
| Red_HamsterX | Like a way of indicating that certain branches are actual releases, maintained for bugfixes/posterity. | 22:19 |
| ubuntujenkins | I can call it what you like | 22:21 |
| ubuntujenkins | i e lp:quickshot/************* | 22:21 |
| Red_HamsterX | Maybe we should create a 'releases' branch and put a 0.0.8 directory in there. | 22:21 |
| Red_HamsterX | Or 'version-0.0.8' | 22:22 |
| dutchie | Red_HamsterX: you'd use series in launchpad for that | 22:22 |
| dutchie | and have separate branches | 22:22 |
| * Red_HamsterX reads. | 22:22 | |
| godbyk | dutchie: I need your help. Just a moment. :) | 22:23 |
| godbyk | dutchie: http://irclogs.ubuntu.com/2010/04/20/%23launchpad.html#t11:10 | 22:24 |
| godbyk | dutchie: We need to add this "translator-credits" string someplace so that we can automatically collect the translator names and email addresses. | 22:25 |
| ubuntujenkins | Red_HamsterX: I can make a relase branch and put it all in there in i derectory we just need to change the server over | 22:25 |
| godbyk | dutchie: Is there an easy way to do this directly or do I need to add it someplace in the manual itself? | 22:25 |
| * dutchie is reading | 22:26 | |
| Red_HamsterX | ubuntujenkins, dutchie was right: it looks like creating a series is the right way to manage this. | 22:26 |
| dutchie | Red_HamsterX: I'm always right ;) | 22:26 |
| Red_HamsterX | The only question is how we tag trunk to put it into a series... | 22:27 |
| Red_HamsterX | Actually, the question is "do I have any idea what I'm talking about?" | 22:27 |
| ubuntujenkins | I know what dutchi-e is on about | 22:28 |
| Red_HamsterX | So I shouldn't click "Register Series" and risk messing stuff up? | 22:28 |
| dutchie | Red_HamsterX: no risk of that | 22:29 |
| ubuntujenkins | I need to make a branch first | 22:29 |
| Red_HamsterX | I don't quite know what I'm doing, though. | 22:29 |
| ubuntujenkins | I can do it | 22:29 |
| dutchie | no need to be careful when you're creating, only when you're deleting | 22:29 |
| Red_HamsterX | I don't want to pollute the project's history unnecessarily. | 22:30 |
| dutchie | godbyk: I'm just trying to think of the best way to do it | 22:33 |
| godbyk | dutchie: okay, thanks. | 22:34 |
| godbyk | dutchie: I have to figure out how to format it all in latex anyway. | 22:34 |
| dutchie | godbyk: where are the credits now? | 22:34 |
| dutchie | oh, in credits/ | 22:34 |
| dutchie | *facepalm* | 22:35 |
| dutchie | hah | 22:35 |
| godbyk | :) | 22:35 |
| dutchie | just noticed "Manualbot" in the special thanks section | 22:35 |
| godbyk | heh | 22:36 |
| dutchie | how about we replace the whole credits environment with translator-credits, and have the Makefile munge it around at build time? | 22:37 |
| godbyk | dutchie: I don't think we can do the whole credits section as that, but we can certainly have a Translators heading that contains the translator-credits stuff. | 22:38 |
| godbyk | and we can use Makefile to munge it at build-time if necessary. | 22:38 |
| godbyk | We could, I suppose, show only those translators who worked on the translation you're reading, too. | 22:39 |
| dutchie | I did mean just the one for the translators :) | 22:39 |
| godbyk | but I can use make+gettext to pull all the translators from all the language during build time if we prefer. | 22:39 |
| dutchie | that's probably ben's call | 22:39 |
| godbyk | probably | 22:40 |
| dutchie | I don't think we should change anything in lucid-e1 | 22:41 |
| dutchie | but we can try it in -e2 and maverick | 22:41 |
| dutchie | ^^ official dutchie opinion | 22:41 |
| dutchie | (TM) | 22:41 |
| godbyk | dutchie: sounds like a plan. :) | 22:42 |
| * humphreybc needs python help! | 22:53 | |
| ubuntujenkins | ok......... | 22:53 |
| humphreybc | lol | 22:53 |
| humphreybc | http://paste.ubuntu.com/419488/ | 22:54 |
| dutchie | wow, that's a new problem | 22:55 |
| humphreybc | lol | 22:55 |
| humphreybc | help? | 22:55 |
| dutchie | I have to be up in 7 hours | 22:56 |
| humphreybc | aw | 22:56 |
| dutchie | I will get one thing though: s[index:len(s)] is better written as s[index:] | 22:57 |
| godbyk | Also, str.find() may or may not be useful. | 22:57 |
| dutchie | except you probably want len(sub) | 22:57 |
| godbyk | (just tossing it out there) | 22:57 |
| dutchie | godbyk: I'm going to assume he's supposed to do it without the std library | 22:57 |
| godbyk | dutchie: I assumed that at first, but then it turned out that he was to write a max function that just calls max and returns the result. | 22:58 |
| dutchie | heh | 22:58 |
| godbyk | dutchie: seems it's more a test of how much of the std lib he knows. | 22:58 |
| dutchie | bit of a shame then :( | 22:58 |
| dutchie | bed now though | 22:58 |
| dutchie | nn | 22:58 |
| humphreybc | lol | 22:59 |
| humphreybc | i think the idea is to do it with loops and crazy things | 22:59 |
| humphreybc | str.find(sub) would return the lowest index where the substring is found | 23:01 |
| ubuntujenkins | does anyone else get an error when they visit https://launchpad.net/quickshot/releases | 23:30 |
| semioticrobotic | yes | 23:31 |
| semioticrobotic | 400 Error retrieving series data. | 23:31 |
| ubuntujenkins | ok thanks thats what i get | 23:31 |
| ubuntujenkins | who did the milestones for the manual time line? | 23:34 |
| ubuntujenkins | godbyk: if you look at lp:quickshot/releases in the 0.0.8 folder is exactly the same stuff as currently in lp:quickshot so nothing should break. | 23:41 |
| ubuntujenkins | right the error is caused by the series being called releases what can i call it instead? | 23:44 |
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