[12:00] <dholbach> sabdfl, popey, Technoviking, nixternal, mako: hello - no agenda items on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CommunityCouncilAgenda
[12:00] <dholbach> as far as I know the only ongoing thing right now is the wiki licensing - I can check in with mdke for an update
[12:00] <dholbach> do you know of anything else?
[12:00] <sabdfl> nothing from me
[12:00] <popey> o/
[12:01] <dholbach> I'll do that then and see what we can do
[12:01] <dholbach> I never imagined that with setting up the RMBs and LoCo Council our meetings would be THAT short. :)
[12:01] <popey> :D
[12:01] <dholbach> any other business from anybody?
[12:02] <dholbach> if not, I'll just take the action to mail mdke and we'll adjourn.
[12:02] <popey> nothing from me
[12:02] <popey> are we planning to have a meeting at UDS?
[12:02] <popey> actually we have one before then I guess
[12:02] <popey> datefail
[12:02] <sabdfl> good news
[12:03] <dholbach> popey: you mean the regular IRC CC meeting or a "governance check" session?
[12:03] <sabdfl> the new DPL mailed to introduce himself, which is a first and very well received
[12:03] <popey> excellent
[12:03] <dholbach> NICE
[12:03] <sabdfl> and he'll be able to attend UDS, which is even better
[12:03] <ogra> wow
[12:03] <dholbach> that's fantastic news
[12:03] <sabdfl> so it would be a good opportunity for folks on the CC to meet him and have productive conversations
[12:03] <dholbach> it'll be great to hang out with him :)
[12:03] <dholbach> definitely
[12:04] <popey> yup
[12:04] <popey> how much of the cc will be there?
[12:04] <popey> I'm guessing Mike/Mako wont be.
[12:04] <dholbach> jcastro should know
[12:04]  * dholbach doesn't have the overview.
[12:05] <popey> just wondered, not vital
[12:05] <dholbach> actually, I do: https://launchpad.net/sprints/uds-m :)
[12:05] <dholbach> I think I'll start another thread about "conversations we should have at UDS", so we can schedule sessions if there's enough demand
[12:05] <sabdfl> super
[12:06] <sabdfl> is that a wrap, folks?
[12:06] <dholbach> popey, sabdfl: anything else form you?
[12:06] <dholbach> I'm all set
[12:06] <popey> nope
[12:06] <dholbach> rock on - thanks everybody :)
[12:06] <sabdfl> looking forward to seeing everyone in Belgium
[12:06] <popey> yeah, me too
[12:06] <sabdfl> thanks Daniel for keeping us rollin'
[12:06]  * dholbach hugs you all :)
[12:06] <sabdfl> hugs back
[12:06] <dholbach> :-D
[14:00]  * ogra slurps 
[14:00]  * GrueMaster yawns
[14:00]  * plars refrains from continuing the pattern of bodily noises on irc
[14:01] <dyfet> getting coffee
[14:01]  * davidm davidm waves and goes looking for coffee too
[14:01]  * asac waves
[14:01]  * ogra wonders where our chair is to do a roll-call
[14:01]  * JamieBennett waves too
[14:01] <asac> NCommander: ^^
[14:01] <NCommander> #startmeeting
[14:01] <MootBot> Meeting started at 08:01. The chair is NCommander.
[14:01] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[14:01] <NCommander> If your not here, say I
[14:02] <cooloney> I
[14:02] <cooloney> heh
[14:03] <asac> hey cooloney
[14:03] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100413
[14:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100413
[14:03] <cooloney> asac: hey, man
[14:03] <JamieBennett> NCommander: wrong link
[14:03] <NCommander> james_w: I just noticed you bolded the again on OOo being broken on the last meeting notes. That made me chuckle :-)
[14:04] <NCommander> oh, whoops
[14:04] <NCommander> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100420
[14:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2010/20100420
[14:04] <asac> NCommander: i think the actions from last week are wrong
[14:04] <asac> oh ;)
[14:04] <asac> the url was wrong
[14:04] <JamieBennett> :)
[14:04]  * davidm now has coffee and is here
[14:05] <NCommander> davidm: coffee is a good thing. Its also a dependency of the mobile-team package
[14:05] <NCommander> :-)
[14:05] <asac> heh
[14:06]  * JamieBennett kicks the meeting chair to get going ;)
[14:06] <NCommander> so are we all here?
[14:06] <asac> NCommander: how about action items from last meeting?
[14:06] <NCommander> I was making sure we were all here
[14:06] <NCommander> [topic] AI Review
[14:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  AI Review
[14:06] <NCommander> [topic] GrueMaster and plars to continue to keep working with crimsun on ARM PulseAudio
[14:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  GrueMaster and plars to continue to keep working with crimsun on ARM PulseAudio
[14:06] <NCommander> er
[14:06] <NCommander> sorry
[14:06]  * NCommander fixs the page he's looking on
[14:06] <ogra> morning NCommander
[14:06] <ogra> :P
[14:06] <NCommander> [topic] dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades.
[14:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades.
[14:06] <dyfet> Okay
[14:07] <JamieBennett> the checks were fine?
[14:07] <JamieBennett> no string changed needed?
[14:07] <ogra> surely not
[14:07] <asac> dyfet: ?
[14:07] <dyfet> I have to check :)
[14:07] <asac> can you do that today?
[14:07] <dyfet> I did not realize I had this task until now :).  Yes I can
[14:08] <NCommander> c/o I guess
[14:08] <asac> yes
[14:08] <NCommander> [action] dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades.
[14:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  dyfet to check update-manager sanity checks for ARM upgrades.
[14:08] <plars> on a side note, I did attempt update from karmic
[14:08] <NCommander> [action] GrueMaster to send a list of bugs that need attention to asac.
[14:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  GrueMaster to send a list of bugs that need attention to asac.
[14:08] <plars> and it worked on imx51 where I tested it at least
[14:08] <plars> but this would not have needed the sanity check
[14:08]  * mvo mumbles something about string freeze
[14:08] <NCommander> plars: it should also work on dove if you shoehorn an X0 kernel onto a karmic installation
[14:08] <ogra> mvo, well, even if we only change the check thats better than nothing
[14:08] <GrueMaster> Shortly after last meeting, plars beat me to the punch with http://people.canonical.com/~plars/dashboard.html.
[14:09] <ogra> mvo, keeipng the old error
[14:09] <mvo> ogra: yeah
[14:09] <asac> GrueMaster: hmm. ok
[14:09] <plars> GrueMaster: not sure that's a replacement.. it's not done, and not on a cron job to update yet
[14:09] <asac> GrueMaster: but thats not a short list
[14:09] <asac> f candidates that might need more attention etc.
[14:09] <asac> anyway. ok
[14:09] <plars> GrueMaster: that's also for a somewhat different purpose
[14:09] <asac> right
[14:10] <GrueMaster> May be for a different purpose, but it generated the same list.
[14:10] <asac> which list is that?
[14:10] <asac> the "Bugs tagged for armel"?
[14:10] <GrueMaster> Bugs that need attention.
[14:10] <GrueMaster> For armel.
[14:10] <NCommander> anything else on this?
[14:11] <asac> GrueMaster: where is that on that dashboard?
[14:11] <GrueMaster> Only to note that none of the bugs directly affecting live images have been looked at.
[14:11] <GrueMaster> Bugs tagged armel 121 
[14:11] <asac> htats the full list
[14:11] <asac> we wanted a short list for prioritization ;)
[14:12] <GrueMaster> Ok, I'll whip something together today.
[14:12] <asac> anyway. lets move on. if you see anything that isnt on RC bug list and that is a good candidate for a fix let me know
[14:12] <asac> thanks
[14:13] <asac> NCommander: maybe action on that and move on ;)
[14:13] <NCommander> [action] GrueMaster to priorize the 121 bugs and send them to asac
[14:13] <MootBot> ACTION received:  GrueMaster to priorize the 121 bugs and send them to asac
[14:13] <asac> JamieBennett to add StartupNofify  support to webservice-office-zoho.  -> that happened
[14:13] <JamieBennett> done and in the images :)
[14:13] <NCommander> [topic] JamieBennett to add StartupNofify support to webservice-office-zoho
[14:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  JamieBennett to add StartupNofify support to webservice-office-zoho
[14:13] <NCommander> oh good
[14:13] <NCommander> [topic] asac to work with roc on the firefox scrollbar issue
[14:13] <MootBot> New Topic:  asac to work with roc on the firefox scrollbar issue
[14:13] <asac> i dont want 121 prioritized ;) ... just good candidates for a fix
[14:14] <asac> yes... this turned out to be toolchain
[14:14] <asac> a certain mix of optimization flags seem to trigger it
[14:14] <asac> i dont see it with all -O2 which we will go for
[14:14] <JamieBennett> fixed now?
[14:14] <NCommander> [action] Correction: GrueMaster to determine what bugs that are good candidates to be fixed for lucid release
[14:14] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Correction: GrueMaster to determine what bugs that are good candidates to be fixed for lucid release
[14:14] <ogra> fix in sight ?
[14:14] <asac> JamieBennett: not in archive.
[14:14] <asac> ogra: yes. -O2 ;)
[14:14] <ogra> cool
[14:14] <asac> i will push that to some ppa so we can verify without busting RC images
[14:15] <NCommander> [action] NCommander, GrueMaster, plars to test firefox images
[14:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander, GrueMaster, plars to test firefox images
[14:15] <ogra> add me too :)
[14:15] <ogra> for omap ;)
[14:15] <asac> hehe
[14:15] <asac> ogra: does ffox start on beagle?
[14:15] <ogra> sure
[14:15] <asac> good
[14:15] <NCommander> ogra: how many days does it take?
[14:15] <ogra> did even when we still had a live image
[14:15] <NCommander> [action] NCommander, GrueMaster, plars, ogra to test firefox images
[14:15] <dmart> asac: can you let me know the details in the firefox issue later?  Out tools guys may be interested...
[14:15] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander, GrueMaster, plars, ogra to test firefox images
[14:16] <ogra> NCommander, faster than imx51 :P
[14:16] <ogra> (in live image at least)
[14:16] <asac> dmart: lets talk about this after meeting. yes.
[14:16] <NCommander> [topic] NCommander to investigate gphoto FTBFS
[14:16] <MootBot> New Topic:  NCommander to investigate gphoto FTBFS
[14:16] <asac> ogra: wow
[14:16] <NCommander> Short story: our buildds suck
[14:16] <asac> NCommander: so i had this here too and its hanging in dot
[14:16] <ogra> but we dont have live images anymore so i cant show off with that :)
[14:16] <NCommander> Slightly longer story: doxygen hangs on imx51 :-/
[14:16] <asac> from graphviz package
[14:16] <asac> is looping
[14:16] <ogra> NCommander, the package sucks
[14:16] <NCommander> asac: yeah, it doesn't do it on dove though.
[14:17] <ogra> has nothing to do with our buildds
[14:17] <NCommander> ogra: builds fine on dove
[14:17] <persia> The buildds also aren't great.  I can build hdf5 locally, but it fails on buildds.
[14:17] <ogra> its simply building the arch all portion under armel
[14:17] <ogra> which it shouldnt
[14:17] <asac> NCommander: maybe its in libimagemagick
[14:17] <asac> does that use something special?
[14:17] <asac> ;)
[14:17] <ogra> just fix gphoto
[14:18] <asac> ogra: ?
[14:18] <ogra> the packaging is clearly broken
[14:18] <NCommander> ogra: I'm going to work around the issue, to change the build behavior will be an invasive patch. I discussed this with slangasek so I just need to kick a debdiff
[14:18] <ogra> asac, it builds arch all stuff under armel
[14:18] <asac> ogra: generting a graph on the builder hangs
[14:18] <NCommander> ogra: its not the packaging, its the package. configure builds docs if doxygen is detected
[14:18] <ogra> asac, for -doc packages that are arch all
[14:18] <ogra> NCommander, right ...
[14:18] <ogra> for lucid -> quick fix
[14:19] <ogra> for the meerkat fix it *right*
[14:19] <NCommander> ogra: yes, that was my plan
[14:19] <ogra> already uploaded ?
[14:19] <NCommander> ogra: no, haven't fired a test build into a devirtualized PPA yet. Will do today
[14:19] <ogra> (we know that since last wed.)
[14:19] <NCommander> ogra: know what?
[14:20] <ogra> the packaging issue with all vs any
[14:20] <asac> NCommander: i see it hanging here on imx51 on a plain install
[14:20] <asac> why would a devirtualized ppa better?
[14:20] <NCommander> asac: it didn't hang here, but I think I let it build for 20 hours without checking on it :-)
[14:20] <persia> asac: Tests the actual buildd environment, rather than something else.
[14:20] <asac> NCommander: i left it running over a night hanging in the "dot"
[14:21] <asac> persia: well. it hangs here at the same place where it hangs on the builders ;)
[14:21] <NCommander> so I'll finish this today
[14:21] <ogra> thanks :)
[14:21] <asac> ok .ext
[14:21] <asac> next
[14:21] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to give debdiff to {ogra|asac} for fixing libgphoto FTBFS
[14:21] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to give debdiff to {ogra|asac} for fixing libgphoto FTBFS
[14:21] <asac> buildd situation was discussed
[14:21] <NCommander> [topic] asac to discuss the buildd situation with lamont
[14:21] <MootBot> New Topic:  asac to discuss the buildd situation with lamont
[14:21] <NCommander> asac: results?
[14:21] <ogra> we have them
[14:22] <asac> NCommander: we have 9 builders
[14:22] <asac> err 8 now it seems
[14:22] <asac> anyway ... all bbg3 is my last update on that
[14:22] <ogra> polus 1 livefs builder
[14:22] <ogra> *plus
[14:22] <asac> and the build queue is empty
[14:22] <NCommander> cool
[14:22] <ogra> yeah
[14:22] <NCommander> [topic] Current Items
[14:22] <MootBot> New Topic:  Current Items
[14:23] <NCommander> [topic] http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html
[14:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-mobile.html
[14:23] <ogra> we'Re touching the trendline again ?
[14:23] <asac> so there are a bunch of work items
[14:23] <asac> we should go through and clean them up
[14:23] <asac> we want to be at ZERO
[14:23] <ogra> ++
[14:24] <asac> i am not sure what to do with my firefox tasks
[14:24] <asac> maybe i will throw them over the fence to chris coulson ;)
[14:24] <asac> but i think they might even be done by now
[14:24] <asac> i have to check
[14:24]  * ogra wonders why uboot imx still shows up 
[14:25] <ogra> do i need to set POSTPONED to DROPPED or something ?
[14:25] <asac> ogra: yeah. let me check
[14:25] <asac> ogra: i can take that off the lucid radar completely
[14:25] <asac> but that would make all DONE items disappear
[14:25] <ogra> yeah, do that
[14:25] <asac> let me see
[14:26] <ogra> it would fix the red stuff in the graph
[14:26] <ogra> devicetree seems similar
[14:26] <asac> ogra: i made that now deferred
[14:26] <asac> not sure if that changes a thing
[14:26] <ogra> we'll see in 1h :)
[14:26] <asac> ogra: if it doesnt disappear set the reset to POSTPONE
[14:26] <ogra> it *is* all postponed
[14:27] <asac> persia: there are a couple of itms on that list for you
[14:27] <asac> about desktop-lucid-xorg-enable-century-usb-screen
[14:27] <asac> have never heard of that spec before ;)
[14:27] <ogra> yay for last minute specs :)
[14:27] <GrueMaster> I thought that was hinging on bryce doing something.
[14:28] <persia> These are brand-new for me for now.  They will not be done for lucid.
[14:28] <ogra> yeah, bryce commented in the spec
[14:28] <persia> I don't even have hardware to test that driver, and won't until bryce gives me back my device at UDS.
[14:28] <ogra> all postpone
[14:29] <persia> postpone?  Is that how we cancel stuff entirely?
[14:29] <ogra> "During the sprint I received a Century USB monitor device thingee from Persia which needs to have X support added for it."
[14:29] <ogra> thats the spec description
[14:29] <ogra> so you dont have it anymore ?
[14:30] <persia> No.  Bryce has my hardware.
[14:30] <davidm> I heard from bryce, it would take a lot of work (coding) to make these devices work correctly so he is not doing it.
[14:30] <ogra> ah
[14:30] <ogra> davidm, mine works but needs an xorg.conf
[14:30] <davidm> Perhaps we can chase upstream or do it ourselves at some point.
[14:30] <persia> Yeah, I got it to that stage by packaging upstream.
[14:30] <davidm> Yea, the autodetection is hard
[14:30]  * ogra has a displaylink adapter but no time to do anything with it atm
[14:31] <persia> upstream is mostly inactive, but the xrandr stuff is potentially possible to add.
[14:31] <persia> autodetection is something that nobody should expect from me :)
[14:31] <ogra> salcker !
[14:31] <ogra> :)
[14:31]  * NCommander hides from X
[14:32] <asac> ok. for the workitem parrt of this discussion: ... persia can you confirm with bryce that nothing can be done for release and then postpone and drop a comment?
[14:32] <ogra> it has three TODO items that need to be changed
[14:33] <persia> I've confirmed already.  Is "POSTPONED" correct?  Is there no "CANCELLED" or "DROPPED"?
[14:33]  * ogra isnt sure
[14:33] <NCommander> persia: I think if you just remove the item, it popped off the list
[14:33] <asac> persia: i think DROPPPED was discussed, but wasnt implemented yet
[14:33] <asac> so just POSTPONE
[14:33] <asac> or POSTPONED ... i think both are ok
[14:34] <persia> OK.  POSTPONE it is, but if someone wants it done, they should do it :)
[14:34] <asac> persia: so to summarize: all the items for you on that spec are postpone?
[14:34] <persia> Yes.
[14:34] <asac> ok that keeps us below the trend again ;)
[14:35] <NCommander> \o/
[14:35] <asac> ok ...  i think thats it for work items
[14:35] <NCommander> can I mov eon?
[14:35] <asac> lets move on
[14:35] <asac> yep
[14:36] <persia> Folks should tell me if they want me to do stuff, rather than just updating random whiteboards :)
[14:36] <NCommander> [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)
[14:36] <MootBot> New Topic:  Kernel Status (cooloney, ericm)
[14:36] <asac> persia: so the problem was that you didnt know that those were your items ;)?
[14:37] <cooloney> for fsl-imx51 kernel, 2 fec patches were applied. they fixed the fec performance drop issue
[14:37] <ogra> \o/
[14:37] <cooloney> i posted a patch fixing ifdown system hang issue. it was reviewed, need some updates and testing again.
[14:37] <cooloney> i filed a bug #567157 about regulator issue.
[14:37] <cooloney> need some test, heh
[14:37]  * ogra thought we had a bug for that already
[14:38] <cooloney> and too bad, my bb2.5 strikes now
[14:38] <cooloney> can not boot
[14:38] <cooloney> ogra: really?
[14:38] <ogra> Bug 446140
[14:38]  * ogra wonders why thats fix released though
[14:39] <cooloney> yeah, that's why i did not find it
[14:39] <cooloney> it was closed as fix released
[14:40] <asac> ok ... GrueMaster can you test the kernel from cooloney on bbg to verify the regulartor issue?
[14:40] <asac> cooloney: thats what is needed, right?
[14:40] <ogra> cooloney, right, but same issue
[14:40] <GrueMaster> planned on it after the meeting.
[14:41] <asac> ok thanks. i dont think we need an action, do we?
[14:41] <cooloney> asac: right.
[14:41] <asac> ok anything else on imx?
[14:41] <cooloney> asac: no, i am done
[14:41] <asac> ericm: ... any update on dove kernel?
[14:41] <ericm> not much update for mvl-dove, just confirmed with Marvell that suspend/resume works with our recent kernel on their side, but I need to confirm with GrueMaster and plars as well
[14:41] <asac> thanks cooloney
[14:42] <asac> ericm: how does marvell confirm that if you ask them? do they use our image etc.?
[14:42] <plars> ericm: istr one of the kernels I tested for you recently had it working again, I'll confirm with the latest image today
[14:42] <ericm> hibernation/resume is reported to work with explict resume=/dev/sda2 on kernel command line
[14:42] <ogra> erm
[14:42] <ericm> plars, thanks
[14:42] <ogra> we set that in initramfs
[14:42] <ericm> asac, they are supposed to use lucid-beta
[14:42] <ogra> but based on UUID i think
[14:42] <GrueMaster> testing it now on my dove with RC build.
[14:43] <asac> ericm: right. just wonder what that means ;) ... do they use their own kernel etc.?
[14:43] <ericm> ogra, I know - that's why I'm debugging
[14:43] <ericm> asac, nope - they are using our kernel
[14:43] <ogra> ericm, /usr/share/initramfs-tools/scripts/local-premount/resume
[14:43] <asac> very good. so chances are hhigh that this is really fixed, which probably makes a great dove release ;)
[14:43] <asac> thanks ericm
[14:44] <asac> (and NCommander of course )
[14:44] <ericm> ogra, from the log - it seems that restoring from swap is actually OK in both cases
[14:44] <GrueMaster> Unfortunately, it is not working on my dove.
[14:44] <ericm> but weird that with initramfs it failed to resume at the last step
[14:44] <asac> oh ... we want to fix resume= in inintramfs ogra ?
[14:45] <ogra> asac, iirc the installer writes the UUID somewhere and the initramfs script reads that
[14:45] <ericm> GrueMaster, I doubt it's a HW issue as I'm also unable to resume from suspend with my original dove board til I replaced one with Marvell shanghai
[14:45] <ogra> so it might be an issue with dove subarch missing something wrt installation
[14:45] <ericm> ogra, that's /etc/initramfs/conf.d/resume
[14:45] <ericm> /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume, sorry
[14:45] <ogra>  /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/resume
[14:45] <ogra> yeah
[14:45] <ogra> do you have the swap UUID in there in your dove install ?
[14:46] <ericm> ogra, the resuming from swap is actually OK in both cases
[14:46] <ericm> ogra, yes
[14:46] <ogra> ah, k
[14:46]  * ogra doesnt understand the issue then
[14:46] <ericm> ogra, yeah it's weird
[14:46] <ogra> isnt resuming from swpa all we want ?
[14:46] <ogra> *swap
[14:46] <ogra> if that works, whats the issue ?
[14:47] <ericm> ogra, apart from that, the system will still undergo a full resume process and a SoC specific resume routine to restore the PC to what it was before
[14:47] <ogra> so it resumes twice ?
[14:47]  * ogra doesnt understand
[14:48] <ericm> ogra, not necessarily, the first is reboot + restoring ram from swap, the 2nd part is a resume process + restoring of PC
[14:48] <ericm> ogra, we can put it offline maybe
[14:48] <ogra> yeah
[14:48] <ogra> move on
[14:48] <ericm> nothing more, I think we can move on
[14:48] <plars> of the two, I would thinkg suspend/resume is much more important
[14:49] <asac> ok action: ericm and ogra and NCommander to sort out resume on dove ;)
[14:49] <asac> NCommander: ^^
[14:49] <ogra> asac,  i dont have the HW
[14:49] <asac> ack ... suspend/resume is important
[14:49] <ogra> happy to give tips though
[14:49] <plars> and it sounds like suspend/resume may be still broken as well
[14:49] <ogra> where i can
[14:49] <asac> ogra: well, but you have valuable input even without that it seems
[14:49] <NCommander> asac: probably not going to happen for lucid release, might be able to SRU it
[14:49]  * plars will test also today
[14:49] <ericm> plars, thanks
[14:49] <asac> ok NCommander give action and move on ;)
[14:49] <ogra> ++
[14:50] <asac> (10 minutes left)
[14:50] <NCommander> [action] NCommander to work with plars, GrueMaster and ericm on dove suspend/resume
[14:50] <MootBot> ACTION received:  NCommander to work with plars, GrueMaster and ericm on dove suspend/resume
[14:50] <NCommander> [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)
[14:50] <MootBot> New Topic:  QA Status (GrueMaster, plars)
[14:50]  * ogra listens 
[14:50]  * asac hands mic to GrueMaster 
[14:50] <plars> Looks like GrueMaster cranked through all of the iso images yesterday
[14:50] <GrueMaster> Still a lot of bugs on live/installed image.  Will detail list and email it out today.
[14:51] <asac> GrueMaster: thanks. maybe add that to the meeting wiki too
[14:51] <asac> that gets send to everyone
[14:51] <GrueMaster> Will do.
[14:51] <asac> GrueMaster: at best under the standing item (e.g. not in activity)
[14:51] <plars> I was spending some time with the TI image yesterday, server install seems to work pretty well for me, but had some problems with the netbook image at the end with FlashKernel
[14:51] <plars> so install did not complete
[14:51] <ogra> plars, solved today
[14:52] <ogra> but needs an update of livecd-rootfs on the livefs builder
[14:52] <ogra> not sure when the cronjob runs
[14:52] <plars> also, the xserver-xorg-video-*omap* doesn't seem to work, but I think I saw an email from ogra that may indicate the reason
[14:52] <ogra> so tomorrows or tomorrow+1 image will work
[14:52] <GrueMaster> ogra: I think the cron jobs are shut off during release week.
[14:52] <ogra> plars, yeah, i looked at that today
[14:53] <ogra> plars, sudo ln -s /dev/fb0 /dev/fb should fix it :)
[14:53] <plars> ogra: is it the same problem with both of them?
[14:53] <asac> plars: do you only have /dev/fb0?
[14:53] <ogra> GrueMaster, not the one on the livefs builder that keeps the packages up to date :)
[14:53] <asac> or also fb1?
[14:53] <ogra> asac, both
[14:53] <asac> i want to fix the -omap package to check for those too
[14:53] <ogra> fb1 is used for xv
[14:53] <plars> asac: yes
[14:53] <asac> ogra: do you know what omap board had /dev/fb?
[14:53] <plars> asac: linking to fb does fix it
[14:54] <asac> because thats clearly hard coded as the default in the driver ... while it shouldprobably also ceck for fb0 etc.
[14:54] <ogra> asac, no idea, beagle has fb0 and 1
[14:54] <ogra> asac, i can give you a debdiff with fix for lucid ... just didnt have time to test yet
[14:54] <plars> ogra: actually I even have fb2
[14:54] <NCommander> ogra: dove has fb0, 1, and sometimes 2
[14:54] <asac> ACTION: asac/ogra to fix -omap driver to check for /dev/fb0 too if /dev/fb isnt avail
[14:54] <ogra> right, the driver uses fb0 and 1
[14:54] <asac> can we have a bug?
[14:54] <ogra> but has /dev/fb hardcoded
[14:55] <plars> asac: was just working on that before the meeting started
[14:55] <ogra> i'll file one after meeting
[14:55] <ogra> unless plars beats me to it :)
[14:55] <asac> ok ... let me know ... and attach patch; if its as i wanted it that means its probably right ;)
[14:55] <asac> ogra: so you alreadcy have the patch?
[14:55] <asac> otherwise i can also do it.
[14:55] <ogra> #define DEFAULT_DEVICE "/dev/fb"
[14:55] <asac> well
[14:56] <asac> i would prefer to check fb0 on top
[14:56] <asac> ;)
[14:56] <asac> rather than just changeing DEFAULT_DEVICE
[14:56] <ogra> well, lool had an idea to change the code completely
[14:56] <ogra> but thats rather intrusive
[14:56] <asac> I would suspect it was added there for some reason ;) ... and we could avoid breaking that use case
[14:56] <asac> i will look then
[14:56] <asac> i already looked. didnt feel that intrusive
[14:57] <ogra> using fbdev_open() and fbdevHWInit()
[14:57] <ogra> see xorg-server/hw/xfree86/fbdevhw/fbdevhw.c
[14:57] <asac> yes. i will see if that makes sense
[14:57] <asac> otherwise we can fall back to plain hacky approach ;)
[14:57] <ogra> yeah
[14:57] <lool> ogra: "change the code completely" indeed sounds intrusive...
[14:57] <asac> ok moving on ...
[14:58] <asac> "ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet) "
[14:58] <plars> we are about out of time
[14:58] <ogra> lool, adding code to use these functions vs a one char change :)
[14:58] <asac> yes.
[14:58] <JamieBennett> Evolution still in the image :(
[14:58] <asac> just quick:
[14:58] <asac> persia: can you please take the action to get evolution of that image?
[14:58] <ogra> NCommander, proposed to check the deps
[14:58] <asac> you basically volunteered to do that ;)
[14:58] <NCommander> [topic] sudo landscape-config --url https://staging.landscape.canonical.com/message-system --ping-url http://staging.landscape.canonical.com/ping
[14:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  sudo landscape-config --url https://staging.landscape.canonical.com/message-system --ping-url http://staging.landscape.canonical.com/ping
[14:58] <NCommander> er
[14:58]  * NCommander coughs
[14:58] <ogra> huh ?
[14:58] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[14:58] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Application status (JamieBennett, dyfet)
[14:58] <NCommander> C*P fail
[14:59]  * ogra wonders if there is a meeting after us
[14:59] <asac> NCommander: right. see action for persia above
[14:59] <JamieBennett> not much else apart from desktop-webmail needs moving to Office category
[14:59] <asac> JamieBennett: i dont think it has to
[14:59] <plars> JamieBennett: it should probably go in favorites as well
[14:59] <asac> other mailers are in internet too
[14:59] <NCommander> [action] persia and NCommander to remove evolution from ubuntu-netbook images
[14:59] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia and NCommander to remove evolution from ubuntu-netbook images
[14:59] <plars> JamieBennett: especially if it's going to be replacing evo on that image
[14:59] <asac> thanks
[14:59] <JamieBennett> asac: its where people will go looking for email since they are used to evolution being there
[15:00] <asac> well. debatable ;) ... all tbird users (which are 50%) go for internet
[15:00] <asac> lets take this offline
[15:00] <asac> image status?
[15:00] <JamieBennett> asac: OK, not a big deal
[15:00] <asac> NCommander: ^
[15:00] <NCommander> [action] asac and JamieBennett to take email client category discussion offline and report back
[15:00] <MootBot> ACTION received:  asac and JamieBennett to take email client category discussion offline and report back
[15:00] <ogra> images seem to work ok though bug 563618 seems to hit JamieBennett on imx51 now too, omap misses a working netbook image (the others work, netbook should be ready tomorrow as mentioned above)
[15:01]  * ogra points to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/BeagleNetInstall
[15:01] <asac> sigh
[15:01] <ogra> i'll create the same for server ... and netbook
[15:01] <asac> JamieBennett: i think you can hit "M" key when its looping
[15:01] <asac> to go to maintenance shell
[15:01] <JamieBennett> ogra: after setting the clock correctly it still hangs for me
[15:01] <ogra> slangasek told me he would take a look at the approach but i think he is to busy atm
[15:01] <JamieBennett> (on next boot)
[15:02] <JamieBennett> (with power still applied)
[15:02] <persia> Sorry.  Laptop hung.  I'm happy with my action.
[15:02] <ogra> JamieBennett, did you edit the two fstab files ?
[15:02] <asac> persia: thx
[15:02] <persia> omap fb may be complicated: there's a known workaround in case it is.
[15:02] <JamieBennett> ogra: not yet, will after the meeting
[15:02] <asac> ok lets take that offline
[15:02] <asac> i dont think we will find a solution during meeing for this bad bug
[15:02] <ogra> NCommander, AOB ... move !
[15:02] <NCommander> [action] persia and asac to take omap fb issue offline and report back
[15:02] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia and asac to take omap fb issue offline and report back
[15:02] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[15:02] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[15:03] <asac> NCommander: omap fb?
[15:03] <asac> that was about  bug 563618
[15:03] <ogra> heh
[15:03] <asac> and didnt involve me ;)
[15:03] <asac> but no action neeeded imo
[15:03] <NCommander> [action] persia to take omap fb issue offline and report back
[15:03] <asac> so AOB?
[15:03] <ogra> no
[15:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:  persia to take omap fb issue offline and report back
[15:03] <ogra> no
[15:03] <persia> No
[15:03] <ogra> lol
[15:03] <asac> omg
[15:03] <asac> ;)
[15:03] <NCommander> [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, persia)
[15:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  ARM Image Status (ogra, persia)
[15:03] <plars> omap fb bug is bug #567260
[15:03] <ogra> NCommander, we had that
[15:03] <NCommander> right
[15:03] <NCommander> soryr
[15:04] <NCommander> [topic] AOB
[15:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[15:04] <asac> ok lets wrap up ;)
[15:04] <ogra> we had AOB too already ... you just got confused
[15:04] <ogra> #endmeeting :)
[15:04] <asac> anything else?
[15:04] <asac> ok thanks!!
[15:04] <NCommander> #endmeeting
[15:04] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:04.
[15:04]  * NCommander goes to kill the cat
[15:04] <GrueMaster> Thus ends another well organized and smooth flowing meeting.
[15:04] <ogra> clap clap clap
[15:04]  * NCommander sulks away
[15:05] <mdz> #startmeeting
[15:05] <MootBot> Meeting started at 09:05. The chair is mdz.
[15:05] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[15:05] <sabdfl> well done all
[15:05] <kees> \o
[15:05] <mdz> Tech board
[15:05] <mdz> cjwatson sent apologies
[15:05] <mdz> pitti is expected
[15:05] <pitti> o/
[15:05] <mdz> I haven't heard from Keybuk, and he's traveling, so I suspect he won't be here
[15:06] <pitti> (isn't it more like "he would like to travel, but can't"?)
[15:06] <mdz> yes
[15:06] <mdz> anyway:
[15:06] <mdz> [link] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[15:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda
[15:07] <mdz> [topic] action review
[15:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  action review
[15:07] <mdz> Riddell says there is no update on https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/UpdatesPolicy
[15:07] <mdz> cjwatson's actions are still pending
[15:07] <mdz> pitti's action is done
[15:07] <pitti> syncs> there were quite a few answers, I did a summary on https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030655.html
[15:07] <mdz> pitti, yes, I saw, thanks for summarizing
[15:08] <mdz> [topic] autopano-sift patent concern (Jo Shields)
[15:08] <MootBot> New Topic:  autopano-sift patent concern (Jo Shields)
[15:08] <pitti> it's not fully clear whether we should go back to unstable for maverick, but given that Debian will get into freeze soon, it's probably prudent to do so
[15:08] <pitti> ah, sorry
[15:08] <mdz> [link] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-March/000174.html
[15:08] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-March/000174.html
[15:08] <pitti> so, this limits usage in the US, but not distribution
[15:08] <mdz> directhex, hi, thanks for joining
[15:08] <pitti> wouldn't that be a case for multiverse rather?
[15:08] <pitti> (instead of removing it from teh archive)
[15:09] <directhex> ah, my SIFT mail
[15:09] <mdz> pitti, really, why?
[15:09] <mdz> wouldn't the patent cover the implementation, not just its execution?
[15:09] <pitti> (FTR, the "LICENSE" document is just the standard GPL, it has no further details)
[15:09] <pitti> mdz: it seems to be the very same case as libmad
[15:10] <pitti> i. e. GPL implementation of a patented algorithm
[15:10] <pitti> but I'm not enough of a patent expert to say, TBH
[15:11] <mdz> it doesn't seem to be present in Debian
[15:11] <mdz> and is -0ubuntu, so I assume it was packaged for Ubuntu only?
[15:11] <directhex> it's indeed not present in debian
[15:11] <pitti> correct
[15:11] <pitti> (no hard rdepends either)
[15:11] <directhex> i only really chanced upon it by accident, since it's not under the usual cross-distro maintenance
[15:11] <mdz> multiverse sounds appropriate to me based on pitti's analysis
[15:12] <kees> multiverse seems reasonable
[15:12] <pitti> does a patent really already forbid implementation? or usage?
[15:12] <pitti> in the latter case, multiverse should be just fine
[15:12] <mdz> is this something we should concern ourselves with for lucid?
[15:12] <pitti> since it's allowed to be run anywhere but the US
[15:12] <mdz> pitti, IANAL
[15:13] <pitti> mdz: do you think we can/should annoy Amanda with that?
[15:13] <pitti> it seems that we have had this case several times, and we are still not quite sure how to treat those
[15:13] <mdz> pitti, I think annoying sabdfl should be sufficient
[15:13]  * mdz prods sabdfl
[15:14] <sabdfl> eck
[15:14] <sabdfl> i feel prodded
[15:15] <mdz> sabdfl, thoughts?
[15:16] <sabdfl> there's an alleged patent, but no word from the patent applicant, i'd say we can defer judgment on the issue to a future release or communication
[15:16] <pitti> (for the record, it's been in universe since at least dapper)
[15:17] <pitti> so, we wouldn't cause any inconsistency by moving it to multiverse
[15:17] <sabdfl> i would leave it in universe
[15:18] <mdz> directhex, anything to add?
[15:18] <sabdfl> there are hundreds of thousands of potential patent mines out there, we can't blink to multiverse or withdraw without a conversation with the patent holder, or knowledge of others having gone through the details with them
[15:18] <directhex> no, not at all
[15:18] <sabdfl> we're easily reachable by anybody who has a claim they think we need to be aware of
[15:18] <directhex> i feel no real interest in the package, other than that it happens to be under the new package group's remit
[15:18] <pitti> sabdfl: oh, did we talk about the double click yet?
[15:18] <mdz> directhex, thanks for bringing this to our attention
[15:19] <sabdfl> :-)
[15:19] <pitti> ok, thanks
[15:19] <mdz> in this case, we actually know who the patent holder is (according to the author of the software)
[15:19] <mdz> (alleged)
[15:19] <pitti> Mark locuta, causa finita est :)
[15:20] <mdz> Notice: The SIFT algorithm is restricted by patents in the United States and hence this software is not completely free to use. For details see the LICENSE file included in the distribution, before you start to use this software.
[15:20] <mdz> The University of British Columbia has applied for a patent on the SIFT algorithm in the United States. Commercial applications of this software may require a license from the University of British Columbia.
[15:20] <pitti> (as another hint, http://user.cs.tu-berlin.de/~nowozin/autopano-sift/ says "restricted usage", not "restricted distribution")
[15:21] <mdz> sounds like the consensus is that we need take no action on this at the present time
[15:21] <pitti> agreed
[15:21]  * kees nods
[15:21] <directhex> as long as a decision was made by someone who isn't me, i'm happy
[15:21] <mdz> note that the bug report is from someone who asks for it to be removed: https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/autopano-sift/+bug/550255
[15:22] <mdz> but it's not clear that they are aware of the patent policy
[15:22] <directhex> is it my job, or someone from the TB, to respond to the bug with the outcome?
[15:23] <mdz> directhex, I'll include this in the minutes, and if you could follow up to the bug with a reference, I'd appreciate it
[15:23] <directhex> mdz, okay.
[15:23] <mdz> [topic] AOB
[15:23] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOB
[15:23] <mdz> (there are no open community bugs or orphaned mailing list threads that I'm aware of)
[15:24] <pitti> I'm next on the alphabetical list
[15:24] <mdz> next chair is pitti :-)
[15:24] <mdz> #endmeeting
[15:24] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 09:24.
[15:24] <sabdfl> thanks all
[15:24] <Daviey> I have some concerns about mysql-*-5.0 being removed from the archive.  Those who explicitally installed 5.0 won't have a valid upgrade path
[15:24] <pitti> thanks everyone
[15:24] <Daviey> damn, missed it
[15:25] <persia> Could I solicit consensus that the DMB, and not the TB is to create new packageset teams?
[15:25] <sabdfl> Daviey: was this discussed on -devel?
[15:25] <pitti> Daviey: not really a TB matter anyway; we could discuss in #u-devel IMHO
[15:25] <Daviey> sabdfl: briefly
[15:25] <sabdfl> persia: -> email
[15:25] <persia> sabdfl: OK.  I'll wait for the rest to confirm mdz's comment :)
[15:25] <mdz> Daviey, ->server team?
[15:25] <Daviey> mdz: ok
[15:26] <persia> (specifically https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/technical-board/2010-April/000184.html )
[15:26] <sabdfl> +1 from me if it's waiting for a poll, persia
[15:26] <mdz> persia, I believe that's the position I took in the email thread, yes
[15:26] <pitti> +1 from me on that, too
[15:26] <mdz> and I think it got +1 from a majority
[15:26] <persia> Thanks all: I'll call that quorate :)
[15:26] <pitti> (I answered by mail already)
[15:27] <pitti> persia: notwithstanding the poll, I think it currently requires some special cjwatson magick to actually implement those teams, though
[15:27] <persia> pitti: I saw your mail confirming team approval, but not authorising the DMB to create new teams without first checking with the TB.
[15:27] <persia> No, it requires special TB magic, but we have a bug open against LP for that :)
[17:58] <JFo> o/
[17:58] <bjf> o/
[17:59] <kamalm> o/
[18:00] <jjohansen> \o
[18:00] <cnd> o/
[18:00] <anyoneofus> nobawk: :D
[18:01] <bjf> Roll Call
[18:01]  * JFo here
[18:01] <sconklin> here
[18:01]  * apw waves
[18:01] <kamalm> here
[18:02] <cnd> here
[18:02]  * anyoneofus here
[18:02] <JFo> hi anyoneofus
[18:02] <bjf> #startmeeting
[18:02] <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is bjf.
[18:02] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[18:02] <anyoneofus> hi JFo
[18:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:03] <bjf> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[18:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/Meeting
[18:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/KernelTeam/ReleaseStatus/Lucid
[18:03] <bjf> #
[18:03] <bjf> # NOTE: '..' indicates that you are finished with your input.
[18:03] <bjf> #
[18:03] <bjf> [TOPIC] Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:03] <MootBot> New Topic:  Release Metrics: (JFo)
[18:03] <JFo> Release Meeting Bugs (2 bugs, 1 blueprints)
[18:03] <JFo> [18:03] <JFo> Release Targeted Bugs (266 bugs against all packages)
[18:03] <JFo>  * 40 linux kernel bugs
[18:03] <JFo>  * 1 linux-fsl-imx51 bugs
[18:03] <JFo>  * 0 linux-ec2 bug
[18:03] <JFo>  * 1 linux-mvl-dove bugs
[18:03] <JFo> [18:03] <JFo> Milestoned Features -
[18:03] <JFo>  * 0 blueprints
[18:03] <JFo>     
[18:03] <JFo> [18:03] <JFo> Bugs with Patches Attached:121
[18:03] <JFo> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bugs?field.has_patch=on
[18:03] <JFo> Breakdown by status:
[18:03] <JFo> http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[18:03] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/ogasawara/csv-stats/bugs-with-patches/linux/
[18:03] <JFo> You will notice I have left off the milestone numbners as there isn't one
[18:04] <JFo> ..
[18:04] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-bug-handling (JFo)
[18:04] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-bug-handling (JFo)
[18:04] <JFo> kernel-lucid-bug-handling:
[18:04] <JFo> [apw] kerneloops -- ensure ubuntu oopses are detected correctly:TODO
[18:04] <JFo> [apw] kerneloops -- move to bugs only coming through launchpad:TODO
[18:04] <JFo> [apw] c-o-d -- we should be building the tip of lucid daily, uploading to pre-proposed:TODO
[18:04] <JFo> [apw] c-o-d -- can we build some bisect points between releases:TODO
[18:04] <JFo> [jeremyfoshee] documentation -- re-organize kernel team wiki pages :INPROGRESS
[18:04] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-bug-handling
[18:04] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-bug-handling
[18:05] <JFo> I hope to have the proposal for the wiki pages out this week.
[18:05] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)
[18:05] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review
[18:05] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review (apw)
[18:05] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kernel-config-review
[18:06] <apw> .
[18:06] <cnd> I'll note that there's an ftrace/profiling config I found last week that would be nice to have, will send patch out when I get a chance
[18:06] <apw> the only outstanding issue here is the report for ubuntu-devel
[18:06] <apw> not critical, still on my todo list
[18:06] <apw> ..
[18:06] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin / apw)
[18:06] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms
[18:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-kms (sconklin / apw)
[18:06] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-kms
[18:06] <apw> .
[18:07] <sconklin> ..
[18:07] <apw> we pushed in a couple of patches to disable kms for i8xx
[18:07] <apw> and for ES1000 radeon.  i suspect there will be a few more, but they
[18:07] <apw> will have to wait till sru now
[18:07] <apw> ..
[18:07] <bjf> [TOPIC] Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)
[18:07] <bjf> [LINK] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development
[18:07] <MootBot> New Topic:  Blueprints: kernel-lucid-apparmor-development (jjohansen)
[18:07] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kernel-lucid-apparmor-development
[18:08] <jjohansen> fixed a lot of bugs, and apw was nice enough to pull them into lucid
[18:08] <jjohansen> I have patches for a couple other issues to SRU in testing, that I need to open bugs for (reports came in from PLD linux)
[18:09] <jjohansen> and I am revising what I hope is the last audit patch for upstreaming
[18:09] <jjohansen> also have started looking at Bug #567334
[18:09] <jjohansen> ..
[18:10] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)
[18:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Audio Support (bjf)
[18:10] <bjf> My lucid specific deliverables are all completed. Put out a pull request on a Lucid-LBM
[18:10] <bjf> update of alsa-driver to 1.0.23.
[18:10] <bjf> ..
[18:10] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (cnd)
[18:10] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: Lucid Better Power Mgt (cnd)
[18:11] <cnd> nothing new, I thought this was marked as completed?
[18:11] <cnd> ..
[18:11] <bjf> will be removed from agenda
[18:11] <bjf> [TOPIC] Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)
[18:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Other Release Tasks: EC2 Lucid Kernel Status (jjohansen)
[18:12] <jjohansen> no change from last time
[18:12] <jjohansen> ..
[18:12] <bjf> [TOPIC] Status: Lucid (apw)
[18:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status: Lucid (apw)
[18:12] <apw> lucid is all frozen, we have nothing currently planned for upload before releasae
[18:13] <apw> we are starting to collect things for SRU, but this does mean they will be SRU'd from here on in
[18:13] <tgardner> apw, bryce thinks the radeon dual DVI patch is critical
[18:13] <apw> and require all the associated documentation to make it
[18:13] <apw> tgardner, we already had a respin for X i suspect we'll get a lot of push back
[18:13] <apw> if there is any way it can be worked round on the command line
[18:13] <tgardner> apw, not too my knowledge.
[18:13] <apw> tgardner, is there a work around for it?
[18:14] <tgardner> its a HW detection thing
[18:14] <tgardner> I'm ambivalent. you can duke it out w/Bryce.
[18:14] <apw> the release team will be most upset...  do we have tested patches yet?
[18:14] <tgardner> I've submitted it as an SRU
[18:14] <apw> ta, will have a chat with bryce and see whats what there
[18:14] <tgardner> apw, yes to tested patches
[18:15] <apw> ..
[18:15] <bjf> [TOPIC] Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (gnarl/smb)
[18:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Security & bugfix kernels - Karmic/Jaunty/Intrepid/Hardy/Others (gnarl/smb)
[18:15] <smb> Dapper:      2.6.15-55.83  (security)
[18:15] <smb> Hardy:       2.6.24-27.68  (security)
[18:15] <smb>              2.6.24-27.69  (proposed)[27]  1/ 3 verifications done (+0)
[18:15] <smb> Intrepid:    2.6.27-17.46  (security)
[18:15] <smb> Jaunty:      2.6.28-18.60  (security)
[18:15] <smb> Karmic:      2.6.31-20.58  (security)
[18:15] <smb>              2.6.31-21.59  (proposed)[27]  5/19 verifications done (+3)
[18:15] <smb>  - LBM       2.6.31-20.22  (security)
[18:15] <smb>              2.6.31-21.23  (proposed)[27]  1/ 2 verifications done (+1)
[18:15] <smb>  - mvl-dove  2.6.31-212.26 (security)
[18:15] <smb>              2.6.31-213.27 (proposed)[27]
[18:15] <smb>  - fsl-imx51 2.6.31-109.25 (security)
[18:15] <smb>              2.6.31-111.27 (proposed)[20]  1/ 1 verifications done
[18:15] <smb>  - ec2       2.6.31-109.25 (security)
[18:15] <smb>              2.6.31-110.26 (proposed)[27]
[18:15] <smb> It might be time to think about releasing Karmic to updates. Will see what
[18:15] <smb> the SRU team thinks of it.
[18:15] <smb> While being there I wondered
[18:15] <smb> whether there is a better way for rebased topic branches to indicate ack/nack
[18:16] <smb> Currently I could not say whether someone looked at the ec2 in proposed for example
[18:16] <smb> As there is not a bug against it
[18:16] <apw> right ... hrm
[18:16] <smb> But that we might think of later
[18:16] <smb> Just thought I bring it up here
[18:16] <smb> ..
[18:16] <apw> perhaps we should file a 'test this' bug for those with testers
[18:17] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:17] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Regressions (JFo)
[18:17] <JFo> 957 Lucid Bugs
[18:17] <JFo> Current regression stats (broken down by release):
[18:17] <JFo> [18:17] <JFo>   * 311 lucid bugs
[18:17] <JFo> [18:17] <JFo>   * 10 karmic bugs
[18:17] <JFo>   * 5 jaunty bugs
[18:17] <JFo>   * 2 intrepid bugs
[18:17] <JFo>   * 1 hardy bug
[18:17] <JFo> [18:17] <JFo>   * 52 karmic bugs
[18:17] <JFo>   * 21 jaunty bugs
[18:17] <JFo>   * 11 intrepid bugs
[18:17] <JFo>   * 4 hardy bugs
[18:17] <JFo> [18:17] <JFo>   * 1 karmic bug
[18:17] <JFo> please take note of the nearly 1000 lucid bugs
[18:17] <JFo> not much else changed.
[18:17] <JFo> ..
[18:18] <bjf> [TOPIC] Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Incoming Bugs: Bug day report (JFo)
[18:18] <JFo> nothing to report. The kernel is frozen. Next Bug Day TBA.
[18:18] <JFo> ..
[18:18] <bjf> [TOPIC] Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:18] <MootBot> New Topic:  Open Discussion or Questions: Anyone have anything?
[18:18] <JFo> .
[18:19] <bjf> go JFo
[18:19] <JFo> I have been made aware of a specific issue
[18:19] <JFo> Apport breakage: Users fallback to an older kernel post-update and get an error indicating that the kernel they are using is invalid.
[18:19] <JFo> "the problem is: user tries to boot x.y.z-2, it fails, so they boot back to x.y.z-1, and then can't report the bug"
[18:19] <JFo> is anyone aware of a method we can use to address this in the future?
[18:19] <JFo> I just wanted to mention it here
[18:20] <JFo> we can discuss offline
[18:20] <JFo> ..
[18:20] <kamalm> .
[18:20] <bjf> kamalm, go
[18:20] <kamalm> I am working on my first patch submission, which fixes LP: #553498
[18:20] <kamalm> ..
[18:21] <bjf> going ...
[18:21] <apw> .
[18:21] <bjf> go apw
[18:21] <apw> just to say it seems that nomodeset works round the ATI issue we were discussing tgardner ... so probabally it can wait to SRU
[18:21] <apw> ..
[18:21] <tgardner> apw, works for me
[18:22] <bjf> thanks everyone
[18:22] <bjf> #endmeeting
[18:22] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 12:22.
[18:22] <JFo> thanks bjf
[18:22] <apw> bjf ta
[18:22] <kamalm> thanks bjf
[18:22] <sconklin> thanks bjf
[18:22] <smb> ta
[18:22] <cnd> thanks
[19:58] <czajkowski> meeting in 3 mins folks
[20:00] <Jiraiya> then 20 utc is not 22 german time?
[20:00] <czajkowski> it's 20 UTC or 21 BST
[20:00] <Mirv> it's now 19 UTC
[20:01] <Agafonov> 23 Moscow time :)
[20:02] <Jiraiya> hm, according to wikipedia germany is utc+1 without summer time
[20:03] <czajkowski> #meeting
[20:04] <Mirv> yes, it's only 19:03 UTC now, meeting at 20:00 UTC
[20:04] <Mirv> UTC doesn't do summer times
[20:04] <_marx_> hum, date; date -u
[20:04] <czajkowski> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=16&month=3&year=2010&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[20:04] <Jiraiya> then the others will come to late
[20:04] <Jiraiya> too late
[20:04] <AlanBell> @now
[20:07] <czajkowski> sory meetin in 1 hour
[20:08] <bcurtiswx> oh BTW.. google does understand UTC.  It just translates to the timezone you have in your google settings
[20:10] <Jiraiya> hm, kde-world-clock-plasmoid says that ist 20:09 in london which should be UTC. now i'm confused
[20:11] <acicula> Jiraiya: its not utc time in london
[20:11] <Jiraiya> then wikipedia is wrong ;)
[20:11] <acicula> well there's a shocker
[20:11] <bcurtiswx> ^^ that
[20:11] <acicula> adjust for summertime ;)
[20:12] <papapep> The United Kingdom moves its clocks forward by one hour during the last Sunday of March until the last Sunday of October, thus observing BST instead of GMT during this period
[20:12] <papapep> http://www.timeanddate.com/time/united-kingdom-bst.html
[20:13] <papapep> so I guess it's already 20:13 UTC
[20:13] <Mirv> you see, UK moves clocks forward, ie. to UTC+1, but UTC is always the same
[20:13] <acicula> BST==GMT+1 ~= UTC+1
[20:14] <papapep> oh, yep
[20:14] <papapep> it's 19:14 then
[20:14] <acicula> well in utc yeah
[20:14] <Jiraiya> i surrender ;) i would say we meet in about 45 minutes. then the others won't come too late
[20:14] <Mirv> yes, the difference between GMT ad UTC is even more interesting :)
[20:14] <alexm> the problem was that the timeanddate.com url above still has march as the month, not april
[20:14] <alexm> try this one: http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=16&month=4&year=2010&hour=20&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
[20:16] <czajkowski> ok this isn't a chatting idle room folks
[20:31] <stk_> CoconutCrab: where's afterlastangel?
[20:31] <CoconutCrab> ngủ rồi
[20:31] <CoconutCrab> ops
[20:32] <stk_> CoconutCrab: should we call him and wake him up?
[20:32] <CoconutCrab> not neccessary
[20:32] <CoconutCrab> yet
[20:41] <effie_jayx> leogg: o/
[20:42] <czajkowski> effie_jayx: *aloha*
[20:42] <czajkowski> effie_jayx: just the person
[20:43] <effie_jayx> czajkowski: hey there...
[20:43] <czajkowski> see pm
[20:53] <michazoet> hi
[21:00] <maco> hello
[21:00] <CoconutCrab> hello
[21:00] <czajkowski> #startmeeting
[21:00] <MootBot> Meeting started at 15:00. The chair is czajkowski.
[21:00] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
[21:00] <czajkowski> Aloha folks
[21:00] <stk_> aloha
[21:00] <huats> hello !
[21:00] <pedro_> hey hey :-)
[21:00] <_marx_> afternoon
[21:00] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[21:00] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/Agenda
[21:00] <kjcole_> Greetings Overlords! ;-)
[21:01] <afterlastangel> good morning (2am in Viet Nam)
[21:01] <stk_> 3am
[21:01] <CoconutCrab> 3, not 2
[21:01] <czajkowski> todays agenda and we will be working from the top down in the items then moving onto the teams
[21:01] <czajkowski> ok
[21:01] <kamusin> hey!
[21:01] <stk_> afterlastangel: are you still sleepy nbow, dude
[21:01] <v4vortex> greetings from berlin, germany
[21:01] <stk_> czajkowski: please, go on
[21:01] <stk_> :-)
[21:01] <Jiraiya> greets from franconia, germany ;)
[21:01] <czajkowski> [topic]Ubuntu El Salvador Update
[21:01] <MootBot> New Topic: Ubuntu El Salvador Update
[21:02] <czajkowski> effie_jayx: can you please discuss this
[21:02] <effie_jayx> ok
[21:03] <effie_jayx> I just wanted to follow up on the talks regarding resolving internal issues in ubuntu el salvador
[21:03] <effie_jayx> anyone here from el salvador?
[21:03] <effie_jayx> right
[21:03] <czajkowski> shame
[21:03] <effie_jayx> I guess I will run down the issue for the record and it will be up to the LoCo COuncil to follow up on email
[21:04] <czajkowski> please
[21:04] <celvin> effie_jayx,
[21:04] <effie_jayx> Ubuntu el salvador seems to have fallen in to a bit of fragmentation
[21:05] <effie_jayx> there is a group of people in the members that is pretending not disregard the admins in the Salvador team
[21:05] <effie_jayx> the last we intevinEd IN the issUe
[21:06] <effie_jayx> ubuntu-sv admins had allowed David Cruz back in the team mailing list
[21:06] <effie_jayx> however david believes this did not happen, though I believe admins can prove this wrong
[21:07] <_marx_> [idea] mediation
[21:07] <effie_jayx> and perhaps I believe the fact that issues are not healthy there the LoCo Council can only suggest and try to mend things
[21:07] <MootBot> IDEA received:  mediation
[21:08] <czajkowski> ok so the loco council asked the el salvador team here to talk and we've asked a few times
[21:08] <czajkowski> _marx_: please don't
[21:08] <_marx_> k
[21:08] <czajkowski> [action] the loco council will follow up on this in email
[21:08] <MootBot> ACTION received:  the loco council will follow up on this in email
[21:08] <czajkowski> effie_jayx: thanks
[21:08] <effie_jayx> czajkowski: it is really shamefull that the parts won-t meet to solve this
[21:09] <effie_jayx> czajkowski: thank you and I will hope this comes to a nice resolve
[21:09] <czajkowski> [topic] Leadership CoC not given to LoCo Leads
[21:09] <MootBot> New Topic:  Leadership CoC not given to LoCo Leads
[21:09] <czajkowski> [link]https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/392976
[21:09] <MootBot> LINK received: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+bug/392976
[21:10] <czajkowski> this came to light recently and I'm wondering do many locos know about this Leadership CoC
[21:10] <czajkowski> there is also at present no way to sign this Leadership CoC in the same way there is to sign the CoC
[21:10] <czajkowski> and with that we've created a Blueprint
[21:11] <czajkowski> [link]https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+spec/ubuntu-leadership-code-of-conduct-should-be-signed-by-loco-team-leaders
[21:11] <MootBot> LINK received: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu-community/+spec/ubuntu-leadership-code-of-conduct-should-be-signed-by-loco-team-leaders
[21:11] <czajkowski> if anyone would like to suggest some ideas on it we'd appreciate it
[21:11] <celvin> David Cruz was readmitted to the mailing list, but on condition that he most to leave the bad attitude and focus to work for the project.
[21:11] <czajkowski> this doesn't just effect locos  so we're not sure of the implication
[21:12] <bejames> define "leader"
[21:12] <czajkowski> bejames: yes this is one issue that needs to be defined
[21:12] <kwah> impossible
[21:12] <paultag> If I may interject
[21:12] <czajkowski> so is a leader someone who is in charge of a Mailing list
[21:12] <akgraner> I have a question can you add contacts/leaders as not all team contacts are the leaders?
[21:12] <czajkowski> a webmaster
[21:12] <paultag> whenever someone is in a position is oversight, their actions effect those who the oversee
[21:13] <paultag> it would be natural, therefore, to have anyone who is in a position of oversight to sign the LCoC
[21:13] <czajkowski> akgraner: yes this is true and in many cases a point of contact is what is referred to in some teams as a team leader and this isn't the case
[21:13] <czajkowski> paultag: exactly
[21:13] <akgraner> *nods*
[21:13] <kjcole> Team Janitor might be a more fitting term.
[21:14] <czajkowski> kjcole: nice idea
[21:14] <bejames> does there need to be a separate CoC. can the existing one incorporate leadership as a sub section?
[21:14] <kwah> in my opinion this is useless, people do some stuff, they do it well and others follow because they like what has been done or going on
[21:14] <czajkowski> bejames: the Leadership CoC already exists and is rather long so I think they are rather seperate
[21:14] <kwah> why do we need another formality?
[21:14] <darkness51> i am from el salvador
[21:15] <paultag> kwah, so that when there are issues regarding leadership there is something to be held accountable to
[21:15] <huats> czajkowski, I think the problem is that Leader is a word that is commonly used in many country (that re not necessary english speaking) while Team Janitr is more complicated...
[21:15] <czajkowski> kwah: becasuse there are in parts  where it referrs to matters such as graceful stepping down if you are no longer active rather than just remaning idling and not being productive in the team
[21:15] <czajkowski> huats: true
[21:15] <JanC> kwah: basically because soem people think leadership is a gift they got from the gods  ;)
[21:15] <czajkowski> huats: so what can we do with the term Team Leader / Point of Contact
[21:16] <kwah> most of the time, in my experience, people do not follow such god-like leaders
[21:16] <kjcole> huats: Admin perhaps?  Maintainer?
[21:16] <Agafonov> coordinator
[21:16] <_marx_> +1 Agafonov
[21:16] <paultag> Contact != Administrator in every case
[21:17] <JanC> kwah: I hope so, but there have been several issues about leaders like that who owned the keys to web space, mailing lists, etc.
[21:17] <paultag> Aye, I am liking Coordinator as well
[21:17] <kjcole> +1
[21:17] <huats> Leader seems fine to me
[21:17] <paultag> Do we really need to define this?
[21:17] <_marx_> leader has connotations
[21:17] <czajkowski> paultag: yes.
[21:17] <JanC> I like the term "leader" if explained correctly
[21:17] <kwah> JanC, heh, this should not happen at the first instance and should be written in guidelines for arranging resources
[21:18] <paultag> czajkowski, I think it should be enough to say if you oversee any other member or members you need to sign the LCoC
[21:18] <akgraner> I think many teams have varying positions leadership - and that if a team identifies those positions of leadership - and people agree to those positions  - then they need to "sign" the LCoC
[21:18] <aim1159> huats: leader is someone who move a group to some point. lead. coordinator just take people together so they can selfogganise into a working group. Coordinator is better
[21:18] <itnet7> The important part that should be discussed though is that some leaders are not following the leadership CoC, Which makes provisions for team governance
[21:18] <itnet7> It doesn't matter whether they are Team contactcs or not
[21:19] <_marx_> perhaps team contact needs a more clear definition
[21:19] <mhall119> perhaps "team representative"?  Has the connotations of contact and responsibility, without the connotations of ownership or authority
[21:19] <JanC> kwah: basically, the LCoC makes it possible for everybody in a leadership position to promise to act properly
[21:19] <czajkowski> so there seesm to be two issues
[21:19] <huats> I agree with JanC, I think a few words can fit, but the  important is the explanation that should be given
[21:19] <czajkowski> 1) the word Leader needs to be better defined
[21:19] <bcurtiswx> What about a team leadership structure.  There's nothing defined, but think about clubs in college.. you had a president, vice president, secretary, treasurer etc... obviously for LoCo's this would be different
[21:19] <kjcole> Rep is also not a bad choice.
[21:19] <czajkowski> 2) the issue of signing the Leadership CoC
[21:20] <paultag> IMHO 1) I think it should be enough to say if you oversee any other member or members you need to sign the LCoC
[21:20] <paultag> Erm, that is both
[21:20] <huats> I like the representative word too
[21:20] <JanC> bcurtiswx: this differs between locoteam (and clubs)
[21:20] <akgraner> paultag, +1
[21:20] <huats> since a team can have various representatives
[21:20] <JanC> paultag: oversee people or resources
[21:20] <mhall119> paultag: at that point, why not include it as part of the standard CoC?
[21:21] <paultag> JanC, good point.
[21:21] <kwah> mhall119, +1
[21:21] <JanC> it should also apply to server admins etc.
[21:21] <czajkowski> mhall119: as it's very long
[21:21] <czajkowski> but perhaps we can look into it.
[21:21] <paultag> mhall119, I don't disagree, but this is the state that it's in currently, and both documents exist and have existed for a while
[21:21] <akgraner> I don't think people would read it if it was part of the CoC
[21:21] <mhall119> as even a one-time event organizer may need to step down gracefully
[21:21] <mhall119> is the LCoC that long?
[21:22] <paultag> mhall119, no. Let me find it for you
[21:22] <akgraner> or that would just glance over it with taking time to pay attention to it fully
[21:22] <czajkowski> the idea of them being seperate is that if someone wants to become a leader they will take the time to read this dcument mixing it up in the CoC means they may forget about it
[21:22] <paultag> ( for everyone )
[21:22] <Agafonov> will the change of CoC require to re-sign it?
[21:22] <kjcole> And "oversee" suggests I have some sort of magical powers.  Yeah, I suppose I can kick people off IRC, mailing lists, etc.
[21:22] <JanC> mhall119: peopel don't read anything longer than 1 small paragraph  ;)
[21:22] <czajkowski> mhall119: it's linked on the blueprint
[21:22]  * kwah thinks that he saw it only once... shortly
[21:22] <paultag> http://www.ubuntu.com/community/leadership-conduct
[21:22] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.ubuntu.com/community/leadership-conduct
[21:22] <mhall119> czajkowski: hopefully we don't have people forgetting about what's in the CoC that often
[21:22] <czajkowski> mhall119: we do :)
[21:22] <mhall119> hmm, that is kind of long to be an add-on
[21:22] <czajkowski> mhall119: :)
[21:23] <czajkowski> right so what I' suggest is the following
[21:23] <kjcole> And get sucked into petty debates about such decisions, but please, no.
[21:23] <czajkowski> 1 - LoCO council to rewiew the terminalogyy and better define the word team and report back
[21:23] <czajkowski> secondly look for more input from the loco contact list on "signing the Leadership CoC" which is what this was all about
[21:24] <paultag> I think that is a thoughtful move.
[21:24] <czajkowski> ok
[21:24] <itnet7> ditto
[21:24] <huats> czajkowski, +1
[21:24] <mhall119> should thouse be in [ACTION] tags?
[21:24] <czajkowski> as I just dont want to run out of time
[21:24] <kwah> 1 is about word Leader ?
[21:24] <_marx_> +1 on the second
[21:24] <czajkowski> [action] LoCO council to rewiew the terminalogyy and better define the word team and report back
[21:24] <MootBot> ACTION received:  LoCO council to rewiew the terminalogyy and better define the word team and report back
[21:24] <czajkowski> [action] look for more input from the loco contact list on "signing the Leadership CoC" which is what this was all about
[21:24] <MootBot> ACTION received:  look for more input from the loco contact list on "signing the Leadership CoC" which is what this was all about
[21:25] <czajkowski> mhall119: wanted to check first before I made the decision
[21:25] <mhall119> ok
[21:25] <_marx_> hopefully all terminology
[21:25] <czajkowski> [topic] LoCo Health check 3rd Tuesday of the month 6-8pm UTC #ubuntu-locoteams
[21:25] <MootBot> New Topic:  LoCo Health check 3rd Tuesday of the month 6-8pm UTC #ubuntu-locoteams
[21:25] <czajkowski> I just wanted to announce we're setting up a  loco health check session on IRC once a month for teams to come along and ask questions
[21:25] <dcedata> hi all :)
[21:26] <czajkowski> if they need a hand with events or want to ask for advice
[21:26] <czajkowski> we'll cover topics you want help with
[21:26]  * rhkfin seuraa kahta kanavaa ja kattoo Housea samanaikaisesti.. katotaan mikä kärsii.. kaikki luultavasti..
[21:26] <czajkowski> and also be inviting people in to give feedback on areas
[21:26] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoHealthCheck
[21:26] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LoCoCouncil/LoCoHealthCheck
[21:26] <rhkfin> (sorry!)
[21:26] <czajkowski> will be mailing out to teams shortly but if you have items you'd like covered please let me know
[21:27] <czajkowski> any thoughts on this ?
[21:27] <kwah> why not just a mailing list discussion?
[21:27] <_marx_> mailing to all loco teams?
[21:27] <itnet7> kwah: you're not forced to attend
[21:27] <itnet7> and the logs will be available
[21:27] <czajkowski> because mails drag on and this is just to help teams who want to ask questions
[21:27] <kwah> itnet7, got it, just asking
[21:27] <czajkowski> and also get feedback on topics
[21:28] <bejames> downside of IRC is time zones. It's 6:30am in Aus :(
[21:28] <itnet7> kwah: didn't mean it that way :-)
[21:28] <czajkowski> kwah: you may not want to come , that's fine others may want to
[21:28] <itnet7> it has some really good potential though!
[21:28] <czajkowski> if you;d like topics covered please let us know
[21:28] <leogg> if there are people from the Spanish community that needs help, I'll be more than glad to translate during the session
[21:28] <czajkowski> leogg: thank you
[21:28] <kwah> czajkowski, with followups on mailing list? like digest etc?
[21:29] <czajkowski> kwah: I'll post the logs
[21:29] <leogg> czajkowski: you're welcome
[21:29] <kwah> good
[21:29] <czajkowski> right moving on to Approvals/Re approvals
[21:29] <czajkowski> [topic] Mexico LoCo
[21:29] <MootBot> New Topic:  Mexico LoCo
[21:29] <czajkowski> who's here from Mexico ????
[21:30] <czajkowski> no?
[21:30] <paultag> Hurmm.
[21:30] <czajkowski> ok we'll move on
[21:30] <czajkowski> [action] mexio  loco application taken to ML
[21:30] <MootBot> ACTION received:  mexio  loco application taken to ML
[21:31] <czajkowski> [topic] Finland LoCo
[21:31] <MootBot> New Topic:  Finland LoCo
[21:31] <czajkowski> who's here from Finland ??
[21:31] <Mirv> o/
[21:31] <rhkfin> \o/
[21:31] <ninnnu> o/
[21:31] <heikki> o/
[21:31] <Nakkel> o/
[21:31] <happosade> O/
[21:31] <Fitzz> o/
[21:31] <Sysi> o/
[21:31] <Mobe> o/
[21:31] <Crazyguy> o/
[21:31] <itnet7> Nice!!
[21:31] <huats> nice to see you guys !
[21:31] <paultag> Holy-
[21:31] <leogg> :O
[21:31] <jussi> o/
[21:31] <paultag> Nice showing!
[21:31] <Mirv> hello
[21:31] <czajkowski> ALOHA!! :D
[21:31] <mhall119> wow
[21:31] <jykae> o/
[21:32] <Andre_Gondim> o/
[21:32] <kjcole> What, no right handed people? ;-)
[21:32] <paultag> Well done, guys and gals :)
[21:32] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinnishTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[21:32] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FinnishTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[21:32] <czajkowski> Mirv: hey so want to tell us what ye guys have been up to
[21:33] <topyli> o/
[21:33] <jussi> czajkowski: we have been busy :D
[21:33] <Mirv> czajkowski: lately the focus has been understandably on lucid, and there is in addition to other preparation work a nice big corporate-co-operation release party happening in May
[21:33] <Mirv> we've existed since Februrary 2005 so we've a rather long history already
[21:33] <Mirv> I dug out the original approval IRC meeting one day
[21:34] <ZeiP> \o
[21:34] <czajkowski> right so how do you organise things? who does what or how does it work
[21:35] <Mirv> we've a joint discussion channels of IRC, mailing lists and forums, on the focus of using mailing lists and forums for any important stuff
[21:35] <Mirv> we lack in formal organization, but compensate with "just do it" attitude
[21:35] <paultag> Mirv, You guys have a very large network of members, have you guys used that and contributed to events such as the Global Jam ( or smiler ), or done translations?
[21:36] <Mirv> bi-weekly meetings are nowadays held on IRC
[21:36] <jussi> Regular meetings happen on irc.
[21:36] <Mirv> (with AJAX IRC links offered)
[21:36] <paultag> similar * :)
[21:36] <czajkowski> Mirv: nice do you post the minutes of the meeting to the mailing list or post to the forum ?
[21:36] <Mirv> paultag: we've participated in eg. open weeks when translated sessions were tried, among else.
[21:36] <Mirv> cjohnston: wiki, actually
[21:36] <heikki> http://wiki.ubuntu-fi.org/Yhteis%C3%B6n_kokous (in Finnish....)
[21:36] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://wiki.ubuntu-fi.org/Yhteis%C3%B6n_kokous (in Finnish....)
[21:36] <jussi> Usually the minutes are translated into nglish for those with limited finnish abilities.
[21:37] <Mirv> meant that to czajkowski
[21:37] <jussi> Just give in the english irc channel though.
[21:37] <czajkowski> ok
[21:37] <czajkowski> good to know
[21:37] <czajkowski> Mirv: is there any issue you;ve had to overcome ?
[21:38] <Mirv> czajkowski: mainly the lack of organization leading to lack of people willing to pull the strings needed
[21:38] <Mirv> others can correct me :)
[21:38] <czajkowski> Mirv: so how did you overcome this ?
[21:39] <czajkowski> or anyone else jump in :)
[21:39] <Mirv> czajkowski: well this bi-weekly meeting, which is quite new actually, solved at least part of the problem since current issues are actually formally dealt with
[21:39] <czajkowski> Mirv: so meetings helped, good to know
[21:39] <Mirv> czajkowski: and well, in the past there was a bit of a problem with ubuntu.fi, which we then happily co-operated with so it joined ubuntu-fi.org
[21:39] <czajkowski> ok
[21:39] <rhkfin> The lack of coordination and commitment are maybe the issues we have. The irc meetings help us overcome the lack of coordination nicely, though.
[21:40] <czajkowski> rhkfin: thanks
[21:40] <czajkowski> ok
[21:40] <czajkowski> itnet7: huats paultag leogg any other comments ?
[21:40]  * jpds hugs http://fi.archive.ubuntu.com/ while he's at it.
[21:40] <itnet7> Not really, I was wondering a bit
[21:40] <Mobe> and teams should report their progress on the meeting, so they are more responsible nowadays
[21:40] <huats> honnestly I haven't
[21:40] <paultag> I'm good czajkowski
[21:40] <czajkowski> Mobe: exactly
[21:40] <itnet7> why they aren't using the standard wiki pages, although theirs are very nice!
[21:40] <huats> I am impressed by the very good work you are doing
[21:40] <leogg> none, quite impressive team
[21:40] <itnet7> But that's about it
[21:41] <itnet7> Just wouldn't want to lose everything over hosting discrepancies
[21:41] <Mirv> itnet7: the l10n of wiki.ubuntu.com is not perfect, among else
[21:41] <czajkowski> [vote]right so please vote on the re approval of Finland LoCo
[21:41] <MootBot> Please vote on: right so please vote on the re approval of Finland LoCo.
[21:41] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[21:41] <czajkowski> +1
[21:41] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:41] <paultag> +1
[21:41] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:41] <leogg> +1
[21:41] <MootBot> +1 received from leogg. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:41] <itnet7> +1
[21:41] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:41] <paultag> I have no reservations, really good showing
[21:41] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 5 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:42] <huats> +1
[21:42] <czajkowski> #endvote
[21:42] <czajkowski> me and the bot are gonna have a falling out
[21:42] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:42] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[21:42] <itnet7> :-P
[21:42] <Mirv> (btw *ubuntu-fi.org is on Canonical servers)
[21:42] <czajkowski> Congrats finland!
[21:42] <rhkfin> Kiitos - thanks you!
[21:42] <itnet7> darn bots!
[21:42] <Mirv> thank you :)
[21:42] <heikki> thanks!
[21:42] <leogg> great job finland!
[21:42] <topyli> thanks all for hearing us
[21:43] <itnet7> Good Job ubuntu-fi.org
[21:43] <czajkowski> [topic]Català  LoCo
[21:43] <Nakkel> Thank you! :)
[21:43] <MootBot> New Topic: Català  LoCo
[21:43] <czajkowski> who's here from the Català  LoCo???
[21:43] <itnet7> Thanks Mirv wasn't sure about that good to know!
[21:43] <tsdgeos> o/
[21:43] <papapep> \o/
[21:43] <alexm> o/
[21:43] <czajkowski> I was wondering :)
[21:43] <SiscoGarcia> \o/
[21:43] <rafael_carreras> o/
[21:43] <czajkowski> welcome folks
[21:43] <paultag> Howdy Català :)
[21:43] <papapep> hi!
[21:43] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CatalanTeam/ReapprovalApplication2010
[21:43] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CatalanTeam/ReapprovalApplication2010
[21:44] <Leukim> o/
[21:44] <itnet7> Hey there rafael_carreras alexm and team!!
[21:44] <SiscoGarcia> hi!
[21:44] <alexm> itnet7: cheers!
[21:44] <czajkowski> rafael_carreras: care to tell us about your team
[21:44] <rafael_carreras> hi itnet7
[21:44] <rafael_carreras> ok
[21:45] <rafael_carreras> we are here for a long time
[21:45] <rafael_carreras> and you can see a lot of things done
[21:45] <czajkowski> that you are ,you've done a lot and were great hosts in Barcelona
[21:45] <rafael_carreras> thanks
[21:45] <alexm> czajkowski: thanks :)
[21:46] <itnet7> Very Solid Team!
[21:46] <paultag> rafael_carreras, Same question to you guys, you guys seem very active, have you used your member network to do testing, translations, and other related sports?
[21:46] <rafael_carreras> we run Global Jams every six months
[21:46] <paultag> rafael_carreras, Outstanding. I saw the Ubuntu Remix for Català, and I love it. Really great idea, by the way.
[21:46] <czajkowski> rafael_carreras: have you had any issue since you first were approved?
[21:47] <rafael_carreras> we have another team for translations
[21:47] <czajkowski> http://www.ossbarcamp.com/wp-content/themes/ossbarcamp/logo6.png  thanks to ye guys :)
[21:47] <MootBot> LINK received:  http://www.ossbarcamp.com/wp-content/themes/ossbarcamp/logo6.png  thanks to ye guys :)
[21:47] <rafael_carreras> czajkowski: i don't remember big issues
[21:47] <rafael_carreras> or small, right now
[21:47] <czajkowski> rafael_carreras: how do you share out items that need to be done?
[21:48] <rafael_carreras> on our special team mailing list
[21:48] <rafael_carreras> and wiki
[21:48] <czajkowski> special? how special?
[21:48] <rafael_carreras> we have a todo list somewhere in the wiki
[21:48] <rafael_carreras> we have two separete ailing lists
[21:49] <rafael_carreras> one for technical issues and another for team related events
[21:49] <czajkowski> nice idea
[21:49] <SiscoGarcia> and another one for translations
[21:49] <paultag> interesting idea
[21:49] <rafael_carreras> right
[21:49] <paultag> how is that working for you guys rafael_carreras?
[21:49] <papapep> czajkowski, to avoid too much organization noise in the helping list
[21:49] <czajkowski> rafael_carreras: and others, any other comments to make to the council before we vote?
[21:49] <leogg> rafael_carreras: is the events list an open list?
[21:50] <alexm> leogg: it is and the archive is public
[21:50] <rafael_carreras> paultag: i think rather nicely, problem could be non-communication between lists
[21:50] <papapep> leogg, all the loco resources are fully open
[21:50] <rafael_carreras> leoog yes, it is
[21:50] <SiscoGarcia> we've intended to have mainly translated lucid version https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+lang/ca/
[21:50] <leogg> alexm, papapep, cool
[21:50] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the Re approval of the Català  LoCo
[21:50] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the Re approval of the Català  LoCo.
[21:50] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[21:50] <czajkowski> SiscoGarcia: nice
[21:50] <czajkowski> +1
[21:50] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[21:50] <paultag> +1
[21:50] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[21:51] <leogg> +1
[21:51] <itnet7> +1
[21:51] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[21:51] <MootBot> +1 received from leogg. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[21:51] <SiscoGarcia> czajkowski, thanks
[21:51] <paultag> keep up the great work rafael_carreras and the Català team :)
[21:51] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 5 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[21:51] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[21:51] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[21:51] <rafael_carreras> thanks paultag
[21:51] <huats> Continue like that !
[21:51] <papapep> thanks to all :)
[21:51] <Leukim> :)
[21:51] <rafael_carreras> thaks all
[21:52] <alexm> thanks!!!
[21:52] <SiscoGarcia> thanks everybody
[21:52] <czajkowski> congrats
[21:52] <leogg> awesome ubuntaires! :)
[21:52] <SiscoGarcia> ;)
[21:52] <itnet7> Very good job thanks for all your teams efforts!!
[21:52] <papapep> leogg ;)
[21:52] <czajkowski> [topic]DC LoCo Re Approval
[21:52] <MootBot> New Topic: DC LoCo Re Approval
[21:52] <paultag> Ah, yes, some Americans :)
[21:52] <czajkowski> DC team ?
[21:52] <maco> hiya
[21:52] <bcurtiswx> o/
[21:52] <crimsun> hi.
[21:52]  * maco pokes kjcole
[21:52] <kjcole> L0
[21:53] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistrictOfColumbiaTeam/DistrictOfColumbiaTeamApprovalApplication
[21:53] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DistrictOfColumbiaTeam/DistrictOfColumbiaTeamApprovalApplication
[21:53] <itnet7> hey there maco, crimsun \o/
[21:53] <maco> do we get the longest team name award?
[21:53] <itnet7> :-)
[21:53] <huats> hello maco and crimsun
[21:53] <maco> i suggested something like PlaceInTheUSThatIsNotAState(Yet)ButMaybeSomeDay....
[21:54] <kjcole> I've always favored Brain-Washington.
[21:54] <bcurtiswx> first parts too close to my name, i'd get too many e-mails
[21:54] <paultag> maco, :)
[21:54] <czajkowski> maco: did you name it
[21:54] <czajkowski> bah
[21:54] <czajkowski> nm
[21:54] <paultag> So, who is contact?
[21:54] <paultag> Tell us a bit about the last few events you have held
[21:54] <kjcole> C'est moi.
[21:54] <paultag> kjcole, :)
[21:54] <maco> czajkowski: when we learned it was supposed to be the full state name not the abbreviation, we were making jokes about the fact that we dont live in a state
[21:55] <paultag> kjcole, So, tell us a bit about your LoCo, some of the best events you have had in the last two years
[21:55] <kjcole> We've been around since the early days.
[21:55] <kjcole> We have t
[21:55] <kjcole> Damned keyboard....
[21:55] <paultag> take your time ;)
[21:56] <kjcole> we have Installfests, and show up at large events to distribute cds.
[21:56] <jelkner> we have yearly presence at a folk festival
[21:56] <czajkowski> so howw are events organised, how do you figure who does what ?
[21:56] <kjcole> FOSE and takoma park folk fest are real regulars.
[21:56] <jelkner> the email list and irc channel
[21:57] <kjcole> I generally find opportunities and send out mailings
[21:57] <maco> and wait for people to raise their hands
[21:57] <jelkner> which they mostly do ;-)
[21:57] <czajkowski> good
[21:57] <itnet7> How many of your members participate in the weekly bugjams?
[21:57] <kjcole> I am a prime example of why "leader" is a bad term and "contact" is a good one.
[21:57] <itnet7> :-) kjcole !
[21:57] <paultag> kjcole, Aye, I'm in the same boat as you ;)
[21:57] <maco> 5-ish?
[21:57] <czajkowski> kjcole: we have a similar issue over here in ireland, but not on topic now :)
[21:58] <bcurtiswx> 5-ish in the bugjams
[21:58] <maco> theres a core group of about 5 people who do most of the stuff
[21:58] <itnet7> thanks maco and bcurtiswx
[21:58] <jelkner> kjcole leads by example, and does a darn good job of it!
[21:58] <paultag> maco, I know you are MOTU, but how productive are the regulars?
[21:58] <itnet7> thanks jelkner !
[21:58] <paultag> I meant that as nicely as I can
[21:58] <kjcole> Lately, there has been an increase in opportunities (Digital Capital Week, DC Community Broadband Summit, etc.)
[21:58] <paultag> that came off bad. How much do you get done on a weekly basis *
[21:59] <afterlastangel> as
[21:59] <maco> paultag: well crimsun's a core dev and a regular ;-) and we've got another guy in the loco going for MOTU at the next meeting...
[21:59] <paultag> maco, killer!
[21:59] <itnet7> very cool!
[21:59] <crimsun> I think our technical contributions to the distributions stand by themselves.
[21:59] <jelkner> we are active in the USR project
[21:59] <bcurtiswx> im learning Python to better patch and eventually go for MOTU
[21:59] <jelkner> and the motu is packaging a lot of python stuff
[21:59] <bcurtiswx> other than my Bug Traiging
[21:59] <czajkowski> so how do you cater for the regular user and get them to become more active??
[21:59] <kjcole> Some of us do a fair amount of collaboration, cross-pollination w/ OLPC
[21:59] <jelkner> (the aspiring motu, that is)
[22:00] <crimsun> czajkowski: several of us speak (have spoken) at various conferences and user group meetings.
[22:00] <czajkowski> crimsun: oh nice idea
[22:00] <maco> czajkowski: regular folks are always welcome to the bugjams if they'd like to learn.  one of the now-regular bug jammers, ted, just showed up one day to a jam for a "how to triage" lesson
[22:00] <czajkowski> oh great good to hear
[22:01] <maco> i think that was a Global Jam ago
[22:01] <paultag> maco, do many people become "regulars" after that first bit of getting involved?
[22:01] <itnet7> and have also given plenary sessions at UDS :-)
[22:01] <czajkowski> so where do you see yourselves in the next 2 years?
[22:01] <czajkowski> how do you plan to go forward
[22:01] <kjcole> Retired on a beach.;-)
[22:02]  * jelkner can answer that in a limited fashion, since he is specifically involved in the edu stuff
[22:02] <czajkowski> jelkner: fire ahead :)
[22:02] <maco> paultag: we dont get a whole lot of new folks showing up at events, but the only one i know of who showed up once and not again did so because she moved away for uni
[22:02] <jelkner> we will continue to support and test the Ubuntu Sugar Remix project
[22:03] <paultag> maco, outstanding.
[22:03] <czajkowski> btw, nice layout of your roadmpa, very clear
[22:03] <jelkner> we will work on getting TurtleArt and other Sugar software ported to gnome
[22:03] <czajkowski> *roadmap
[22:04] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the re approval of the DC LoCo
[22:04] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the re approval of the DC LoCo.
[22:04] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
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[22:04] <jelkner> we will develop educational materials for teaching python on Ubuntu
[22:04] <paultag> +1
[22:04] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:04] <maco> jelkner: ssshh time ;-)
[22:04] <czajkowski> +1
[22:04] <itnet7> very cool jelkner
[22:04] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:04] <itnet7> +1
[22:04] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[22:04] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 4 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[22:04] <leogg> +1
[22:04] <MootBot> +1 received from leogg. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[22:04] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[22:04] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[22:04] <czajkowski> Congrats DC Loco
[22:04] <czajkowski> keep up the good work
[22:04] <huats> congrats
[22:04] <itnet7> Very nice work DC!!
[22:04] <kjcole> A lot of us have a jones for the education crowd, and if things go well with DC Public Library, I'm hoping to se opportunity there.
[22:04] <paultag> great job DC loco. Keep up the great work kjcole
[22:04] <crimsun> thanks, folks
[22:04] <leogg> congrats!
[22:04] <bcurtiswx> thanks all
[22:05] <czajkowski> right we're going to keep going
[22:05] <kjcole> Thanks.
[22:05] <jelkner> thanks
[22:05] <czajkowski> [topic]Denmark LoCo Re approval
[22:05] <MootBot> New Topic: Denmark LoCo Re approval
[22:05] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanishTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[22:05] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DanishTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[22:05] <czajkowski> Denmark ???
[22:05] <sound-1000> \o
[22:05] <czajkowski> who's here ?
[22:05] <sbc> o/
[22:05] <Snigepige> o/
[22:06] <AJenbo> \o
[22:06] <Kimsen1967> \o
[22:06] <czajkowski> Aloha :)
[22:06] <jarlen> o/
[22:06] <jarlen> we made it :-)
[22:06] <huats> hello dannemark
[22:06] <sound-1000> hello world
[22:06] <czajkowski> is Jesper here?
[22:06] <jarlen> I'm Jesper
[22:07] <czajkowski> jarlen: okie dokie.
[22:07] <czajkowski> jarlen: can you tell us how you're loco is doing and how ye've done things since your approval
[22:07] <czajkowski> please
[22:08] <jarlen> Well, I've believe we're doing allright. About 2 years ago we formed an official organization in Denmark with a board.
[22:09] <jarlen> This board is mostly for legal purposes, to be able to handle bank accounts and money, the team is mainly handled by a twice-monthly meeting
[22:09] <czajkowski> jarlen: meetings on IRC?
[22:09] <jarlen> Yes, IRC-meeting
[22:09] <jarlen> s
[22:09] <czajkowski> jarlen: are the minutes published publically for those who can't attend ?
[22:10] <jarlen> Most day-to-day stuff is handled on a mailing lists though
[22:10] <jarlen> Yes, we have logs and summaries of our meetings
[22:10] <jarlen> and the schedule is usually handled about a week in advance, so people can try to prepare
[22:11] <czajkowski> I see ont he roadmap you have a Lucid+1 Bootcamp  can you tell us some more about this ?
[22:11] <kjoller> Just in time, I see :)
[22:11] <itnet7> That did seem very intersting!
[22:11] <kjoller> The Lucid+1 Bootcamp is a local mini version of UDS
[22:11] <kjoller> (I've never been to UDS, so I can be mistaken)
[22:11] <jarlen> Yes, well our main focus the past long time has been on real life events, mostly release parties, and attending larger events
[22:12] <jarlen> the bootcamp is a new idea, which kjoller presented when we started planning Lucid release
[22:12] <huats> very interesting indeed
[22:12] <kjoller> The basic concept is to meet somewhere central in the country and make project-plans for the next 6 months
[22:12] <jarlen> Where we'll try to get the team together for a community oriented event where we will try to summarize our release party, and start planning the next one
[22:13] <leogg> jarlen: how do you elect the board members of the organization?
[22:13] <czajkowski> oh neat idea, so a day to work on a roadmap face to face?
[22:13] <jarlen> czajkowski: pretty much, yes
[22:13] <kjoller> czajkowski: Excactly
[22:13] <itnet7> nice Idea!
[22:13] <huats> yep I think so
[22:14] <bejames> Is there an existing wiki that we can use to capture all these great ideas that the LOCOs are mentioning?
[22:14] <czajkowski> oh please do let us know how you get on with this
[22:14] <czajkowski> it sounds like a great idea
[22:14] <jarlen> leogg: we have a yearly meeting, announced about a month in advance, which focuses on the legal part of the team
[22:14] <JanC> jarlen: taht's a legal requirement, I suppose?
[22:14] <itnet7> bejames: another good idea!
[22:14] <jarlen> JanC: it is indeed
[22:14] <Pretto> bejames: that is a good idea too
[22:14] <JanC> jarlen: and mostly a formality probably?
[22:14] <leogg> bejames: +1 :)
[22:15] <czajkowski> jarlen: might be an idea to mail the loco contact list and let them know about this kind of idea ?
[22:15] <jarlen> JanC: well, yes, it's a legal issue, but we try to use it for pragmatic purposes as well
[22:15] <czajkowski> other teams may be interested in hearing about it
[22:16] <jarlen> by trying to get new people to take part in the new board, and the elections, thereby promoting participation frmo new people
[22:16] <jarlen> czajkowski: indeed, we should do that when we get a bit better overview of what's gonna happen
[22:16] <paultag> jarlen, Have you guys been working on translating Ubuntu at all?
[22:16] <czajkowski> jarlen: sounds like a plan!
[22:17] <czajkowski> any other comments from the team that you want to tell the council ?
[22:17] <jarlen> paultag: Most open source translations into danish is handled by Dansk-gruppen (danish group), they have been doing a great job for a long time before Ubuntu even existed
[22:17] <paultag> jarlen, are any LoCo members a part of that team?
[22:17] <AJenbo> o/
[22:17] <jarlen> so no, we havn't done much through the LoCo, but encouraged people to join dansk-gruppen, and a lot of our members do a great job there
[22:18] <paultag> Cool
[22:18] <huats> ok any developper ?
[22:18] <jarlen> including AJenbo who also organized a translation jam for the last global jam, some weeks ago
[22:18] <itnet7> Thanks AJenbo !
[22:18] <jarlen> we have at least 1 MOTU, that I'm aware of
[22:18] <paultag> aye, thanks AJenbo :)
[22:18] <huats> ok great
[22:18] <jarlen> and an #ubuntu IRC op, I believe
[22:19] <huats> So you are active in many aspects
[22:19] <huats> which is great
[22:19] <czajkowski> ok so I think we're ready to vote
[22:19] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the re approval of the Denmark LoCo
[22:19] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the re approval of the Denmark LoCo.
[22:19] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[22:19] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[22:19] <jarlen> and we've gotten a handfull of official Ubuntu members during the last couple of months
[22:19] <czajkowski> +1
[22:19] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:19] <paultag> +1
[22:19] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:19] <itnet7> +1
[22:19] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[22:19] <jarlen> and we're still running our podcast :-)
[22:19] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 4 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[22:19] <leogg> +1
[22:19] <MootBot> +1 received from leogg. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[22:19] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[22:19] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[22:20] <czajkowski> congrats folks
[22:20] <paultag> well done. Keep up the great work jarlen
[22:20] <leogg> congrats dk!
[22:20] <itnet7> Very nice work Congratulations!
[22:20]  * jarlen bows
[22:20] <paultag> AJenbo, keep hacking away. Great work with translations
[22:20] <jarlen> thanks a lot :-)
[22:20] <sound-1000> thanks
[22:20]  * sbc cheers
[22:20] <Snigepige> thnx
[22:20] <czajkowski> [topic] Approval of North Carolina LoCo
[22:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  Approval of North Carolina LoCo
[22:20] <itnet7> Woohoo!!
[22:20] <czajkowski> who's here from the NC Team
[22:20] <akgraner> o/
[22:20] <holstein> NC in the house.. w00t
[22:20]  * czajkowski waits to be run over 
[22:20] <czajkowski> :)
[22:20] <_marx_> yo
[22:20] <internalkernel> w00t w00t!!
[22:21]  * paultag steps back
[22:21] <_marx_> winston-salem here
[22:21] <AJenbo> paultag, thanks :)
[22:21] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorthCarolinaTeam
[22:21] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorthCarolinaTeam
[22:21] <czajkowski> Aloha folks
[22:21] <akgraner> hey
[22:21] <AJenbo> paultag, hacking on linuxBios as we speek ^^
[22:21] <akgraner> what do you want to know 1st from us? :-)
[22:21] <holstein> hello czajkowski
[22:22] <bac> \o
[22:22] <czajkowski> ok so can akgraner please tell us a bit about the loco please
[22:22] <czajkowski> how did ye start off ?
[22:22] <akgraner> yeppers - it was started in 2007 by vivardi
[22:23] <akgraner> we have the mailing list, forums Irc
[22:23] <akgraner> FB, twitter, identi.ca and a new blog site as well
[22:23] <akgraner> we have been growing slow but steady since then
[22:24] <akgraner> now we are in 4 major areas of NC
[22:24] <czajkowski> good to hear
[22:24] <czajkowski> so you've been around 3 years, what made you decide to go now for approval ??
[22:24] <akgraner> _marx_, can you add to that at all?
[22:24] <akgraner> we are really active and would like to get the benefits afforded to approved teams
[22:25] <akgraner> such as the CD packs, and when we are at conferences the conference materials
[22:25] <_marx_> being one of those US states that takes 8 hours to drive across we have developed small teams across the state
[22:25] <akgraner> in order to represent the community as an "official" team'
[22:25] <czajkowski> akgraner: ok
[22:26] <czajkowski> So how does the team organise events>?
[22:26] <akgraner> we have many different approaches
[22:26] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorthCarolinaTeam/ApprovalApplication
[22:26] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/NorthCarolinaTeam/ApprovalApplication
[22:26] <akgraner> but basically - we decided what we want to do
[22:27] <akgraner> then we pick a place
[22:27] <akgraner> and a time
[22:27] <leogg> akgraner: nice application :)
[22:27] <akgraner> then we start inviting people
[22:27] <akgraner> leogg, thanks :-)
[22:27] <akgraner> teamwork :-)
[22:27] <paultag> akgraner, So, what's some of the best events you have done in the last year - two years?
[22:27] <holstein> IRC helps, #ubuntu-us-nc is usually pretty active
[22:27] <akgraner> Global Jams, Helped with Southeast Linux Fest, Helped Plan and Staff Atlanta Linux Fest, Ubuntu Hours in Winston and Asheville, Team helping lead 2 LUG groups - WNCLUG and GCLUG group.  We've have members that have also helped with Ubuntu User Days, as well as Ubuntu Open Week.  We plan multiple release parties each cycyle as well.
[22:28] <paultag> akgraner, I also met you at OLF, there were some NC guys and gals that came out my way IIRC
[22:28] <akgraner> oh yeah we were at OLF too
[22:28] <akgraner> :-)
[22:28] <paultag> akgraner, :)
[22:28] <afterlastangel> af
[22:29] <paultag> akgraner, What's your plan moving forward if you get approved?
[22:29] <akgraner> we want to maintain those things we have been doing
[22:29] <internalkernel> keep promoting and converting... :)
[22:29] <_marx_> improve on global jams
[22:29] <akgraner> exactly
[22:29] <leogg> akgraner: you're planning on getting involved in the US mentorship project? As of today, do you collaborate with other LoCo teams in the US or abroad?
[22:30] <akgraner> also helping more in the greater ubuntu community
[22:30] <JFo> yep
[22:30] <akgraner> getting more people involved with ubuntu projects across the board
[22:30] <JFo> like giving talks all over the place :)
[22:30] <akgraner> leogg, yes - CA, and FL ad well as GA
[22:31] <huats> This is something that I really enjoy in US LoCo is the inter loco actions :)
[22:31] <leogg> akgraner: nice! :)
[22:31] <akgraner> abroad - I helped the Israel team learn mootbot-uk
[22:31] <huats> so keep doing that
[22:31] <akgraner> we are also looking at ways to get Ubuntu to the military bases
[22:31] <akgraner> slow process but in time
[22:31] <czajkowski> akgraner: _marx_ what have ye found difficult to do and how have you overcome this??
[22:31] <paultag> Ah! Never even thought of that. Interesting akgraner, how has that been working?
[22:32] <_marx_> czajkowski: building a more involved membership i think has been the most difficult
[22:32] <internalkernel> I'd have to second that _marx_
[22:32] <akgraner> paultag, slow as you have to get someone to let you promote it at various meetings on post  - so it is two fold - create a demand through the free stuff, and then also help promote the GSA schedule stuff
[22:33] <_marx_> we have more facebook members that launchpad members
[22:33] <paultag> akgraner, :)
[22:33] <akgraner> yes the mailing list is not as active as it could be...I think we need to pay more attention to the care and feeding of the forums
[22:33] <internalkernel> and having several areas that are very active which are not very local to each other...
[22:34] <czajkowski> _marx_: and how have you delt with that ?
[22:34] <akgraner> however there is a core group of people who meet almost daily in irc and we come up with ways to cope and new ideas to try an pitch to the teams
[22:35] <_marx_> by trying to find new users and tickle the brains of existing users / members
[22:35] <itnet7> :-)
[22:35] <internalkernel> and that has reflected in our the increase in involvement
[22:35] <paultag> akgraner, What's been the biggest issue you guys and gals have faced WRT starting and maintaining the LoCo
[22:35] <JFo> having such a large state :)
[22:35] <akgraner> biggest issue - to me was figuring out how to divide and conquer so to say
[22:35] <paultag> JFo, Heard that! I'm over in Ohio :)
[22:36] <paultag> akgraner, interesting, do you mind going into that a bit more?
[22:36] <_marx_> we started slowly due to a lack of push from the founder
[22:36] <JFo> we tend to drive a lot :)
[22:36] <JFo> paultag, :)
[22:36] <czajkowski> akgraner: are there any issues your team has encountered and how have you handled them?
[22:36] <_marx_> i started pushing in late 08 early 09
[22:37] <akgraner> so the team has naturally divided into 4 areas - then we have those natural leaders that arise in those areas
[22:37] <paultag> akgraner, has the collaboration been stable and sustained?
[22:37] <akgraner> and from their we coordinate or efforts
[22:37]  * bejames afk - taking the kids to school :(
[22:38] <akgraner> yes since early 2009  - things have been gaining momentum and flowing nicely
[22:38] <paultag> Outstanding
[22:38] <holstein> the lines of communication are always open
[22:38] <akgraner> _marx_, holstein, bac JFo internalkernel anything to add?
[22:38] <internalkernel> we rock...
[22:39]  * holstein just happy to be here :)
[22:39] <_marx_> irc regulars are much of the core group
[22:39] <akgraner> we also hold 2 meetings per month
[22:39] <akgraner> which helps
[22:39] <JFo> we do indeed rock :-)
[22:39] <_marx_> instituted two ubuntu hours in the state
[22:39] <internalkernel> we host the WNClug meeting first Saturday in ASheville every month...
[22:39] <akgraner> using mootbot-uk helps get the logs out faster and in an organized manner
[22:39] <czajkowski> _marx_: I was there when you go the channel logged, has this helped getting folks who don't use irc interested, do you have many people on IRC who have ops??
[22:40] <holstein> yup, the WNCLUG is all about ubuntu
[22:40] <bac> akgraner:  did you mention our release parties?  we've had one or two for the last three releases i believe.
[22:40] <_marx_> czajkowski: 3 ops
[22:40] <holstein> lucid release party next meeting
[22:40] <huats> Had you faced some conflicts ? and how did you handle them ?
[22:40] <holstein> in asheville
[22:40] <akgraner> bac, yep mentioned them
[22:40] <czajkowski> ok so I think we're ready to vote guys
[22:40] <huats> czajkowski, I asked a question :)
[22:41] <huats> Have you faced some conflicts ? and how did you handle them ?
[22:41] <czajkowski> huats: sorry thought bac answered that
[22:41] <akgraner> huats, yes - I think early on  - my enthusiasm for community was overwhelming at times
[22:41] <_marx_> huats: none we haven't been able to resolve amickably
[22:41] <czajkowski> just a tad :)
[22:41] <itnet7> no, not you akgraner !
[22:41] <huats> czajkowski, sorry I haven't seen the answer... damn chocolate which is not at the same level than the computer :)
[22:41] <itnet7> ;-P
[22:41] <JFo> lol
[22:42] <akgraner> and this caused some  - moments of hold up...wait.. what..
[22:42] <JFo> hee hee
[22:42] <czajkowski> _marx_: can you elaborate please?
[22:42] <_marx_> well private messages, and emails, how are you?
[22:43] <huats> akgraner, enthusiams is more than needed and you have plenty so that is great :)
[22:43] <JFo> I was very involved for a while, but my current position has pulled me away a bit. I was glad to see internalkernel and holstein step up both before I pulled away and have continued to increase their involvement since.
[22:43] <_marx_> yeah, i know emacs sux etc...
[22:43] <czajkowski> good stuff
[22:43] <huats> great, thanks for the answer then
[22:43] <holstein> JFo: :)
[22:43] <JFo> :)
[22:43] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the Approval of the North Carolina Team
[22:43] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the Approval of the North Carolina Team.
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[22:43] <czajkowski> +1
[22:43] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[22:43] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 2 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[22:43] <itnet7> +1
[22:43] <paultag> +1
[22:43] <leogg> +1
[22:43] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[22:44] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[22:44] <czajkowski> kinda  ano brainer really :)
[22:44] <MootBot> +1 received from leogg. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[22:44] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[22:44] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[22:44] <paultag> Outstanding work akgraner, and I saw that you got the Fridge editor spot. Be sure to get something about this up there :)
[22:44] <czajkowski> congrats North Carolina!
[22:44] <leogg> great job guys!
[22:44] <paultag> Great job NC!
[22:44] <internalkernel> w00t!
[22:44] <bac> \o/
[22:44] <akgraner> I will :-)  Thanks everyone
[22:44] <itnet7> Congratulations akgraner and Team, Y'all have worked real hard!! Good Job!
[22:44] <JFo> thanks :)
[22:44] <huats> Keep doing good stuffs !
[22:44] <internalkernel> thanks everyone!
[22:44]  * _marx_ goes to dance under the maple trees
[22:44] <holstein> thanks
[22:44] <internalkernel> maple trees?
[22:44] <akgraner> huats, we will do our best!
[22:45] <czajkowski> [topic]Brazilian Team Re approval
[22:45] <MootBot> New Topic: Brazilian Team Re approval
[22:45] <Andre_Gondim> \o/
[22:45] <Pretto> \O/
[22:46] <leogg> olá! :p
[22:46] <czajkowski> Aloha folks
[22:46] <Pretto> can we start?
[22:46] <Pretto> :D
[22:46] <paultag> you may Pretto, give us the run-down :)
[22:46] <Pretto> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrazilianTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[22:46] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BrazilianTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[22:47] <Pretto> well, we still doing our best here in Brazil,  I proundly say that we are the 3º most active team in translation
[22:48] <Pretto> we started promoting jams on irc to translation and documentation
[22:48] <Pretto> next 27º we will make a wiki takeover for lucid
[22:49] <Pretto> ubuntu-br are always invited to participate in community events and even business events
[22:50] <czajkowski> on your reapproal page you don't really tell us about events you've been doing since you've been approved
[22:50] <Pretto> we have a vey active irc support
[22:50] <Pretto> very*
[22:50] <Andre_Gondim> =]
[22:51] <Pretto> czajkowski: that can be viewed here http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-br
[22:51] <czajkowski> Pretto: Andre_Gondim can you tell us what you've been doing since you've been approved please?
[22:52] <Pretto> czajkowski: since approved we were been on the greatest events heree
[22:53] <Andre_Gondim> We invited and promoved the regional mail lists to do some events, like that the Pretto reported
[22:53] <Pretto> czajkowski: Like FISL and Latinoware
[22:53] <czajkowski> Pretto: on the LD those are events in the future
[22:53] <czajkowski> what have you done in the past
[22:53] <Pretto> czajkowski: told ya about that two ones, and always present at Installfests
[22:54] <leogg> Pretto: do you collaborate upstream with translations?
[22:54] <Andre_Gondim> last year I spoker with the team in to events
[22:54] <huats> Pretto, how are you dealing with such a big country ? you mention many teams is there a collaboration ?
[22:54] <Andre_Gondim> leogg, yes, specially with gnome and kde
[22:55] <Andre_Gondim> czajkowski, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Presentations you can see our participation here
[22:55] <Pretto> leogg: not recently, as council member and developer i am most active on mailing list and irc
[22:55] <leogg> Andre_Gondim: great :)
[22:55] <paultag> Pretto, How are the BZ Forums?
[22:55] <Andre_Gondim> leogg, ow, and Pidgin too
[22:55] <Pretto> paultag: our forum numbers 355.314 Mensages and 61.133 Topics by 46.751 Users in http://ubuntuforum-br.org/
[22:56] <paultag> Pretto, FYI the link on the wiki is broken ( http://forum.ubuntu-br.org/ )
[22:56] <paultag> Pretto, the application *
[22:56] <Pretto> paultag: that is why we will have a wiki takeover next week
[22:57] <paultag> OK
[22:57] <itnet7> Pretto: Does your team participate in Ubuntu Hours, or any other re-occuring face to face team events?
[22:57] <Pretto> itnet7: not really, our subteams does that, like ubuntu-br-sp
[22:58] <huats> Pretto, So it is realted to my previous question : how are you dealing with such a big country ? you mention many teams is there a collaboration ?
[22:59] <czajkowski> Pretto: Andre_Gondim ok we're not going to vote
[22:59] <Pretto> huats: we are trying to keep subteams in contact, those events alway tries to get one member for a subteam to attend at another event
[22:59] <czajkowski> but we'd like to make a suggestion
[22:59] <czajkowski> you application is lacking details and we'd like to see more information on this and then come back
[23:00]  * kwah wondering what other details are needed 
[23:00] <kwah> czajkowski, may you be more specific? if I may ask
[23:01] <czajkowski> kwah: sure, is this your team ?
[23:01] <Pretto> czajkowski: ok, I will fill all information needed there for the next time, I thougt that additional information could be said here
[23:01] <paultag> kwah, a list of events that the team has had a presence at, or run would be a great start
[23:01] <kwah> czajkowski, nope, but we may face the same questions
[23:01] <kwah> Russian
[23:01] <czajkowski> kwah: you can see by the previous teams we've gone through tonight, they've laid out very easily to read all the events they've run
[23:01] <czajkowski> linked to posts
[23:01] <czajkowski> had photos
[23:02] <czajkowski> it's not a vote on their approval more we'd like to see more detail and then come back
[23:02] <kwah> pt_BR + google translate would suffice?
[23:02] <kwah> I think that the guys also having problems with a lack of manpower to translate everything back and forth
[23:03] <itnet7> kwah: They are doing an outstanding job
[23:03] <itnet7> but, they need to fine tune a bit is all
[23:03] <kwah> itnet7, thats why I have asked
[23:03] <itnet7> We look for well rounded teams for re-approval
[23:03] <czajkowski> [action] Brazil LoCo to add more detail to their application and come back to us
[23:03] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Brazil LoCo to add more detail to their application and come back to us
[23:03] <itnet7> and it doesn't appear that there has been much public activity and advocacy since last year
[23:04] <itnet7> at least to us based on their current wiki
[23:04] <paultag> OK, ;et
[23:04] <itnet7> re-approval wiki that is
[23:04] <paultag> OK, Let's move on
[23:04] <czajkowski> now ther are 4 teams left
[23:04] <kwah> Pretto, nice job! good luck next time
[23:04] <afterlastangel> and no time left?
[23:04] <Pretto> czajkowski: thak you, I can see that we missed the Experience point
[23:04] <itnet7> Thanks Pretto !
[23:04] <juliux> don´t say now time;)
[23:04] <paultag> thank you Pretto, we look forward to reviewing you again
[23:04] <czajkowski> Pretto: thanks for understanding
[23:04] <Pretto> kwah: thank you
[23:05] <huats> juliux, who said no time ?
[23:05] <huats> :)
[23:05] <czajkowski> we've 2 options, either keep going but folks may have to go or we can meet up next week at the same time ?
[23:05] <kwah> фотографий им мало
[23:05] <Pretto> czajkowski: next meeting is ok?
[23:05] <czajkowski> Pretto: sure
[23:05] <itnet7> I can continue on
[23:05] <paultag> I can continue
[23:05] <kwah> pardon...
[23:05] <juliux> czajkowski: the german team is still here;)
[23:05] <_Lux> Yes and we like to go on ...
[23:05]  * kamusin Chilean Team is still here too :)
[23:05] <v4vortex> indeed it is!
[23:06] <Jiraiya> and still awake *drinking coffee*
[23:06] <kwah> Russian o/
[23:06] <czajkowski> right
[23:06] <afterlastangel> :-s
[23:06]  * _Lux thinks it is too late to give up ;-)
[23:06] <renewip> dear folks, please continue, we've been waiting for 2hours+
[23:06] <juliux> _Lux: +1
[23:06] <stk_> We are still waiiting
[23:06] <kwah> +1
[23:06] <stk_> we are from Vietnam
[23:06] <afterlastangel> ;)
[23:06] <czajkowski> [topic] VietnameseTeam
[23:06] <MootBot> New Topic:  VietnameseTeam
[23:06] <itnet7> Nice!!
[23:06] <afterlastangel> >:)
[23:06] <renewip> \m/
[23:06] <khanhpt_> \*
[23:06] <afterlastangel> I'm here
[23:06] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VietnameseTeam/ApprovalApplication
[23:06] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/VietnameseTeam/ApprovalApplication
[23:06] <nobawk> */
[23:06] <CoconutCrab> */
[23:06] <czajkowski> ok folks
[23:06] <afterlastangel> So
[23:06] <tuantub> */
[23:06] <baongoc124> *\
[23:06] <stk_> */
[23:06] <anyoneofus> */
[23:06] <afterlastangel> what do you want to know about us?
[23:07] <czajkowski> well you're new, so tell us how you formed and what you do
[23:07] <afterlastangel> Ok
[23:07] <juliux> perhaps we can proceed a little bit faster…
[23:07] <afterlastangel> We's started from 2007, in tuxfarmily
[23:07] <afterlastangel> ok
[23:08] <afterlastangel> It the past, we just meet in the forum to discuss about ubuntu and help each other
[23:08] <afterlastangel> but don't had many plan to do
[23:08] <czajkowski> juliux: going as fast as I can, been here just as long :)
[23:08] <afterlastangel> Ok
[23:08] <czajkowski> afterlastangel: so how do you organise things?
[23:09] <czajkowski> you've been active in 2009
[23:09] <afterlastangel> because we are young and have few experience
[23:09] <afterlastangel> czajkowski: yes
[23:09] <afterlastangel> just from this time
[23:09] <afterlastangel> we have some team to work
[23:09] <afterlastangel> khanhpt_: lead the localization team,
[23:10] <afterlastangel> nobawk: for the IRC
[23:10] <afterlastangel> and me for the forum
[23:10] <leogg> afterlastangel: can you tell a bit more on your project with the schools?
[23:10] <afterlastangel> event outside the Internet's held by some active members
[23:10] <afterlastangel> Ok
[23:10] <czajkowski> so 3 of you out of 118 members in launchpad and 11475
[23:11] <afterlastangel> no
[23:11] <CoconutCrab> excuse us
[23:12] <czajkowski> take your time
[23:12] <CoconutCrab> please let me answer in place of him
[23:12] <czajkowski> ok
[23:12] <afterlastangel> I think most of them hear about Ubuntu in Viet Nam and come to us for more information about ubuntu
[23:12] <CoconutCrab> it is 5 PM here in Viet Nam and we have been waited for awhile so he might not be in the best condition
[23:12] <CoconutCrab> afterlastangel, is  that okay with you?
[23:13] <stk_> sed s/5 PM/5 AM/
[23:13] <afterlastangel> so 3 of you out of 118 members in launchpad and 11475
[23:13] <CoconutCrab> so let me begin from the start, I will make it quick
[23:13] <czajkowski> wow 5am
[23:13] <Vantrax> wow 5 am, thats some dedication
[23:13] <CoconutCrab> we have been around for quite a while, since 2005
[23:13] <Vantrax> well done guys for holding on
[23:13] <czajkowski> well done and thank you very much for being patient and staying we appreciate it
[23:13] <CoconutCrab> first we were are small community composed of hobby-ist
[23:14] <CoconutCrab> and most of us are very young, I believe more than 95% are still in college or high school
[23:14] <CoconutCrab> so our organizing method is a little bit different
[23:14] <CoconutCrab> while there are some members dedicated to some tasks
[23:14] <czajkowski> CoconutCrab: how have you delt with this? what have you done to get interest
[23:15] <CoconutCrab> czajkowski, you mean deal with the fact that we are still young ?
[23:15] <itnet7> afterlastangel: What is your roadmap, do you see the team getting more involved in Conferences, and events?
[23:16] <czajkowski> CoconutCrab: yes and getting people to do things?
[23:16] <renewip> we organise seminars in schools/campus since most of us are students, besides, we have online support, IRC forums, mailing list
[23:16] <CoconutCrab> czajkowski, we mostly communicate via forum and IRC
[23:16] <czajkowski> ok
[23:16] <CoconutCrab> when we need something done, we asked everyone on the forum
[23:16] <czajkowski> I dont see any mention of IRC meetings, do you have any ?
[23:16] <CoconutCrab> and we have the advantage of being young, everyone is always eager to join
[23:17] <CoconutCrab> so it is really easy to get interest
[23:17] <CoconutCrab> in term of meetings, we often do it informally
[23:17] <CoconutCrab> because as a community, we are really close to each other
[23:18] <CoconutCrab> so communication can be done via phone, or face to face meeting
[23:18] <CoconutCrab> still, when there is important task that need to be done
[23:18] <CoconutCrab> like the preparation for this appoval process, we hold a meeting for it
[23:18] <czajkowski> have you had any issues?
[23:19] <CoconutCrab> czajkowski, yes, we have some
[23:19] <CoconutCrab> for example, being young has its advantages
[23:19] <CoconutCrab> but also have some bad sides too
[23:19] <czajkowski> such as? how have you dealt with them
[23:19] <CoconutCrab> like in the examination season, there aren't many people active
[23:19] <czajkowski> ok
[23:19] <CoconutCrab> because most of us are busy with the exams :P
[23:19] <JanC> CoconutCrab: it might be good to also attract some older people in the future
[23:20] <huats> CoconutCrab do you have in your team any Ubuntu Member or Developpers that are more involved in some aspect of the worldwide Ubuntu community  ?
[23:20] <CoconutCrab> but after 5 years, some of us already graduated so it isn't too serious these days
[23:20] <CoconutCrab> JanC, I understand
[23:21] <afterlastangel> Let's me explain our plan for school
[23:21] <CoconutCrab> huats, we are still trying to get more involved witht he international community
[23:21] <CoconutCrab> but for now, we have some members that are debian developers, the upstream of Ubuntu
[23:22] <leogg> CoconutCrab: do you the language issue has been a barrier for you?
[23:22] <afterlastangel> leogg: I think so
[23:22] <CoconutCrab> like Le Quoc Tuan, he has just become a debian developer recently
[23:22] <paultag_> CoconutCrab, Oh interesting. Have they worked with the MOTU at all?
[23:23] <CoconutCrab> to be honest, quite some of us are quite good at understanding english, the majority of us don't
[23:23] <CoconutCrab> that is why we are very active in localizing Ubuntu for Vietnamese people
[23:23] <leogg> afterlastangel, CoconutCrab, :)
[23:23] <afterlastangel> leogg: And we the the the language barrier can be break by translation and help from ubuntu-vn community
[23:23] <leogg> afterlastangel: that's right!
[23:23] <CoconutCrab> as you can see, in the last years, we were involved in some translation projects like MOST
[23:24] <afterlastangel> Let's I explain the eudcation's plans
[23:24] <CoconutCrab> which was funded by the governement
[23:24] <CoconutCrab> afterlastangel, please wait
[23:24] <CoconutCrab> one last answer
[23:24] <CoconutCrab> for paultag
[23:24] <paultag_> :)
[23:24] <czajkowski> [vote] Please vote on the Approval of the Vietnamese Team
[23:24] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Please vote on the Approval of the Vietnamese Team.
[23:24] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[23:24] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[23:24] <paultag_> one sec czajkowski
[23:24] <paultag_> go ahead CoconutCrab
[23:25] <CoconutCrab> paultag, we still have many thing to learn, and we are eager to get involved with MOTU in the future
[23:25] <CoconutCrab> for now, sadly, I can say we haven't done much with MOTU
[23:26] <CoconutCrab> one reason for that is we are still have to learn
[23:26] <CoconutCrab> in the college, high school*
[23:26] <afterlastangel> as the loco team we have many chances to learn from other community around the world
[23:26] <afterlastangel> And know that we're not alone
[23:27] <leogg> CoconutCrab: and the collaboration with the Debian folks will sure help :)
[23:27] <CoconutCrab> and so our schedule isn't stable enough to dedicate to such important tasks like maintain packages
[23:27] <CoconutCrab> leogg, sure :)
[23:28] <CoconutCrab> if you have any other questions, please ask
[23:28] <renewip> we really want to join the Ubuntu world to learn more experience/knowledge and everything from teams over the world
[23:28] <JanC> if you have a debian developer, he certainly can help with ubuntu packages too (and does so by default, as we pull their packages)
[23:28] <paultag_> JanC, totally
[23:28] <huats> CoconutCrab we might talk later about collaboration with the motu mentoring team
[23:28] <JanC> maybe he can also teach soem more of you  ☺
[23:28] <huats> (since I am part of it)
[23:28] <CoconutCrab> huats, gladly :)
[23:29] <CoconutCrab> oh, one more reason for that
[23:29] <renewip> JanC: we actually have some un-official developers who program and package their own DEBs
[23:29] <huats> CoconutCrab please contact me in a few days since we are working on redefinig the process....
[23:29] <huats> and Pretto too :)
[23:29] <czajkowski> ok we're ready to vite
[23:29] <czajkowski> *vote
[23:29] <CoconutCrab> okay
[23:30] <CoconutCrab> huats, yes, I will ask the one who is in charge of developing in our community
[23:30] <leogg> I'm happy to give +1
[23:30] <paultag> +1
[23:30] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[23:30] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 2 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[23:30] <itnet7> we +1
[23:30] <leogg> +1
[23:30] <MootBot> +1 received from leogg. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[23:30] <czajkowski> +0
[23:30] <MootBot> Abstention received from czajkowski. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
[23:30] <Claudinux> +1
[23:30] <MootBot> +1 received from Claudinux. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
[23:30] <paultag> Claudinux, council members only, please :)
[23:30] <Claudinux> paultag, sorry :)
[23:31] <CoconutCrab> :)
[23:31] <afterlastangel> Thank you
[23:31] <itnet7> I have to explain something thought about the vote we just did afterlastangel
[23:31] <afterlastangel> Ok
[23:31] <czajkowski> itnet7: you need to vote
[23:31] <czajkowski> or are we missing one
[23:31] <itnet7> The LoCo Council really likes what we see and feels that you are off to a great start
[23:31] <itnet7> +1
[23:31] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
[23:31] <itnet7> Sorry
[23:31] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[23:31] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 5
[23:32] <czajkowski> final vote was 4
[23:32] <itnet7> We would like for you to continue to work on Advocacy and irc-meetings that are published for others to learn more about your team and it's activities
[23:32] <itnet7> in 90 days we would like to get and update from you on your progress
[23:33] <CoconutCrab> I understand
[23:33] <czajkowski> ok so moving on
[23:33] <czajkowski> [topic]Russian Team Re approval
[23:33] <MootBot> New Topic: Russian Team Re approval
[23:33] <afterlastangel> We could disscuss more in the mailling list, now time for other team, good luck
[23:33] <itnet7> I will contact you more offline
[23:33] <kwah> o/
[23:34] <kwah> here
[23:34] <stk_> thank you very much, you all
[23:34] <vadimkansk> o|-<
[23:34] <aim1159> o/
[23:34] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RussianTeam
[23:34] <itnet7> Hey there kwah !
[23:34] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RussianTeam
[23:34] <madkox> o/
[23:34] <Agafonov> o/
[23:34] <A4Tech> o/
[23:34] <CoconutCrab> thank you :)
[23:34] <leogg> great job vietnam!
[23:34] <paultag> thank you CoconutCrab :)
[23:34] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RussianTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[23:34] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RussianTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[23:34] <paultag> Howdy kwah
[23:34] <kwah> I heard there were complains about big countries...
[23:34] <huats> no complains, questions :)
[23:35] <CoconutCrab> so I will leave it to Russian team, guess it is time for us to get some sleep
[23:35] <CoconutCrab> thank you again
[23:35] <kwah> By the way, I raised the question to our contact who invited us and never heard back
[23:35] <paultag> thank you for staying up late CoconutCrab
[23:35] <kwah> in this respect
[23:36] <kwah> Russia is big. Russians are everywhere.
[23:36] <aim1159> just to remember for all the audience - our team not the country, but language-based
[23:36] <kwah> Therefore our team focuses on Russian speaking community wold-wide
[23:37] <vadimkansk> :)
[23:37] <czajkowski> ok so can you tell us a little about your structure and how you do things
[23:37] <czajkowski> organise events and your team?
[23:37] <huats> kwah, oh. I don't know why but I haven't seen your question (and I well received your email) my fault sorry
[23:37] <Agafonov> huats: I've emailed one too
[23:38] <Agafonov> * once
[23:38] <kwah> So, the main idea is information: consolidation of information about all aspects
[23:38] <kwah> And spread it by all possible means
[23:38] <kwah> From web-site forum IRC to participation in local events
[23:38] <paultag> kwah, what have been some of your more notable events in the last two years?
[23:39] <Agafonov> Structure may be seen here: https://launchpad.net/~ubuntu-ru/+members
[23:39] <huats> Agafonov they were both in the same email thread that was unread :( I don't know why :( (I have experienced email issue lately is it the cause...) once again I am sorry
[23:39] <Agafonov> huats: np, we are ready
[23:40] <czajkowski> ok so have you had any issues with getting things done ?
[23:40] <kwah> For example, participation of various local teams in the last Software Freedom
[23:40] <Agafonov> paultag: we were approved one year ago
[23:40] <kwah> Day
[23:41] <paultag> Agafonov, Sorry :) , what have been your more notable events since your approval?
[23:41] <kwah> czajkowski, yes, who does not
[23:41] <kwah> but we try to do what we can
[23:41] <czajkowski> kwah: how have you dealt with them?
[23:41] <kwah> mainly leading by example
[23:41] <kwah> communicating what needs to be done etc
[23:41] <czajkowski> ok
[23:41] <kwah> e.g. IdeaPool, Tasks at our wiki
[23:42] <czajkowski> nods
[23:42] <czajkowski> ok
[23:42] <czajkowski> so what do you plan to do in the next 2 years?
[23:42] <Agafonov> czajkowski: one big problem was - unabe to get 9.10 CDs due to import laws
[23:42] <kwah> What we have been doing
[23:43] <paultag> Agafonov, How did you deal with that issue?
[23:43] <kwah> One of the biggest points of attention - to get more people involved
[23:43] <Agafonov> paultag: we cannot rewrite laws
[23:43] <Agafonov> we ordered shipit small packs
[23:43] <paultag> Ah
[23:43] <kwah> Therefore all possible means of transparent presentation what is going on in the team and around it
[23:43] <paultag> Agafonov, Did you end up burning CDs for large events?
[23:44] <Agafonov> paultag: sure
[23:45] <kwah> paultag, for disk exchange  we have special forum topics
[23:45] <kwah> where everyone can offer their help or request it
[23:45] <kwah> if in need
[23:45] <paultag> kwah, I'd love to hear more about how you worked around this issue, it might be useful to other LoCos with the same situation
[23:46] <_Lux> paultag: Could you take that offline?
[23:46] <paultag> _Lux, Yes, good idea.
[23:46] <aim1159> paultag: guess no other loco's (outside Russia) have russian customs burocracy machine ;)
[23:46] <kwah> paultag, we ll work on it again
[23:46] <Agafonov> paultag: no, we end up with CD get back to shiping company
[23:46] <czajkowski> ok i think we're ready to vote
[23:46] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the re approval of the Russian LoCo
[23:46] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the re approval of the Russian LoCo.
[23:46] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[23:46] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[23:47] <czajkowski> +1
[23:47] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[23:47] <itnet7> +1
[23:47] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[23:47] <paultag> +1
[23:47] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[23:47] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 4 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[23:47] <leogg> +1
[23:47] <itnet7> Very good job!
[23:47] <MootBot> +1 received from leogg. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[23:47] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[23:47] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[23:47] <kwah> Thanks everyone
[23:47] <paultag> Well done, thank you kwah
[23:47] <Agafonov> \o/
[23:47] <czajkowski> ok well done and btw nice application very easy to read and navigate
[23:47] <A4Tech> :)
[23:47] <aim1159> hurrraaaaay! :)
[23:47] <czajkowski> always helps
[23:47] <madkox> =)
[23:47] <leogg> thank you kwah Agafonov
[23:47] <kwah> czajkowski, team work
[23:47] <huats> congrats
[23:47] <skyrider> Thanks everyone
[23:47] <czajkowski> is there anyone here from the Chilli Loco
[23:48] <cristianvirtual> o/
[23:48] <DobleD> \O/
[23:48] <czajkowski> *Chilean
[23:48] <pedro_> yeah _o/!
[23:48] <Vantrax> lol
[23:48] <czajkowski> right
[23:48] <huats> pedro_, \o/
[23:48] <czajkowski> [topic]Chilean LoCo re approval
[23:48] <MootBot> New Topic: Chilean LoCo re approval
[23:48]  * pedro_ hugs huats
[23:48] <cristianvirtual> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChileanTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[23:49] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChileanTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[23:49] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ChileanTeam/ReApprovalApplication
[23:49] <czajkowski> Thanks for coming guys
[23:49] <czajkowski> I know it's been a hard few months for ye so well done
[23:49] <huats> First of all I'd like to thank you for being here, and to agreed to be reapproved even with the hard times you had
[23:49] <cristianvirtual> thanks
[23:50] <cristianvirtual> Our team is very active we are one of the most biggest Linux communities in Chile, we are always invited to different kinds of events, but due to the natural disaster (Earthquake and Tsunami) that affected us during February our LoCo team has not been so active as before, but we're working even harder than before to revitalize it and to make our LoCo team a rocking one again.
[23:50] <czajkowski> nice wiki page, so clear and easy to read
[23:50] <czajkowski> cristianvirtual: you are doing an amazing job
[23:50] <Pretto> congratulations kwah
[23:51] <cristianvirtual> czajkowski: not just me, all our team
[23:51] <huats> cristianvirtual, that was directed to the team I think :)
[23:51] <czajkowski> yup
[23:51] <czajkowski> so can you tell me how you guys do things please?
[23:51] <czajkowski> how are you organised ?
[23:52] <cristianvirtual> We are organized in diferent teams: Web, Forums, marketing and council.
[23:52] <cristianvirtual> We have regular meetings once a month by IRC with the community and also a few days before this meeting, our council had  a meeting.
[23:52] <czajkowski> how do you get peope to become active and take on roles in those areas?
[23:53] <cristianvirtual> ur team is divided in small teams every single of team responsible for a part of the things we're doing for example, we have one for the website dedicated to only that
[23:54] <czajkowski> *nods*
[23:54] <cristianvirtual> so, every leader of the group have a mentor proccess for new member of the team
[23:54] <czajkowski> oh nice idea
[23:54] <czajkowski> so you teach new people so they learn
[23:54] <huats> pedro_, do you run session focussed on the bug triagging  ?
[23:54] <czajkowski> I like that idea
[23:54] <huats> czajkowski, I like it too
[23:55] <cristianvirtual> so if you're a new person we ask you to decide in which part of the team you'd like to work
[23:55] <pedro_> huats: yeah we do that every once in a while and specially for the bug jams
[23:55] <pedro_> huats: in the past we organized bug jams once per month and we gave classes about triaging
[23:56] <pedro_> but due to the earthquake we slowed down a little bit on that
[23:56] <czajkowski> of course that's understandable
[23:56] <pedro_> as cristianvirtual said we're working to try to bring those kind of events to live again
[23:56] <czajkowski> I think your team is doign a great job
[23:56] <pedro_> it's being hard though
[23:56] <huats> pedro_, great
[23:56] <itnet7> definitely
[23:56] <leogg> awesome job
[23:57] <huats> I really like to see very very experience people like you, giving sessions... it helps a lot really
[23:57] <pedro_> I guess czajkowski was asking about problems on the teams and all that, we had the same issue that the Russian folks with the CD taxes
[23:57] <czajkowski> ok
[23:57] <pedro_> what we did was ask to every person on the team to give a little of money to pay those
[23:57] <pedro_> and for future activies we're just asking for a small set of originals CDS
[23:57] <pedro_> and burning the rest
[23:57] <huats> pedro_, I have told cristianvirtual to talk to maria for that
[23:57] <pedro_> it's cheaper for us that way
[23:58] <cristianvirtual> huats: done! ;)
[23:58] <huats> :)
[23:58] <pedro_> and recently maria (from canonica) gave us a great news about that too
[23:58] <czajkowski> ok so I think we're ready to vote
[23:58] <czajkowski> [vote] please vote on the Chilean LoCo Re approval
[23:58] <MootBot> Please vote on:  please vote on the Chilean LoCo Re approval.
[23:58] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
[23:58] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
[23:58] <itnet7> +1
[23:58] <MootBot> +1 received from itnet7. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
[23:58] <leogg> +1
[23:58] <huats> pedro_,  great then !
[23:58] <czajkowski> +1
[23:58] <MootBot> +1 received from leogg. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2
[23:58] <MootBot> +1 received from czajkowski. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3
[23:58] <paultag> +1
[23:58] <MootBot> +1 received from paultag. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4
[23:58] <czajkowski> amazing team
[23:58] <czajkowski> well done
[23:58] <MootBot> Private +1 vote received. 5 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 5
[23:58] <pedro_> huats: yeah !
[23:58] <huats> congrats !
[23:58] <czajkowski> [endvote]
[23:58] <MootBot> Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5
[23:58] <paultag> Well done guys
[23:58] <cristianvirtual> yeah!
[23:58] <czajkowski> whoo congrats folks
[23:58] <huats> keep doing that
[23:58] <leogg> excelente trabajo, Chile!
[23:58] <itnet7> Very Good Job!! You all have worked so hard!!
[23:58] <pedro_> thanks a lot friends!
[23:59]  * pedro_ hugs you all
[23:59] <cristianvirtual> :D
[23:59] <czajkowski> [topic] German LoCo re approval
[23:59] <MootBot> New Topic:  German LoCo re approval
[23:59] <paultag> Hallo Deutschland! Wie geht es euch?
[23:59] <juliux> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GermanTeamReApprovalApplication2010
[23:59] <czajkowski> [link]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GermanTeamReApprovalApplication2010
[23:59] <MootBot> LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/GermanTeamReApprovalApplication2010
[23:59] <_Lux> paultag: Gut, danke
[23:59] <juliux> \o/
[23:59] <v4vortex> \o
[23:59] <_Lux> o/
[23:59] <Jiraiya> kann mich nicht beklagen :)
[23:59] <czajkowski> ok
[23:59] <czajkowski> aloha folks
[23:59] <Jiraiya> o/
[23:59] <huats> hey there my friend juliux
[23:59] <juliux> The German Ubuntu LoCo Team does a lot of Ubuntu related work in different areas. We started in 2004 with mailinglists, forum, IRC. Since this time all platforms for user support grow steadily. Since 2005 we have a legal entity called ubuntu Deutschland e.V. (German Ubuntu association)  for all legal effects and financial issues