[00:10] <b3n4dd1> hello, i want to store the mails i send from moziila thunderbird in the sendbox of my mail acount, is it possible?
[00:11] <asac> b3n4dd1: what does that mean?
[00:11] <asac> b3n4dd1: you can setup something in prefereces as "sent folder"
[00:11] <asac> for an account
[00:14] <b3n4dd1> asac:  for instance, i send a mail from thunderbird, i want to have it not only in sendmail box in thunderbird, but also in sentmail box in my on line mail acount
[00:15] <micahg> b3n4dd1: that's a setting in account preferences
[00:16] <b3n4dd1> micahg: are you sure? i wan't find it, which release do you have? i have thunderbird 3.0.4
[00:16] <micahg> same one'
[00:17] <micahg> b3n4dd1: Edit -> Account Settings -> Copies and Folders under the account
[00:18] <b3n4dd1> i ve already checked it, i can't ifnd it there micahg
[00:18] <micahg> b3n4dd1: it's the first thing that
[00:19] <micahg> *there
[00:20] <b3n4dd1> micahg: no it's no the first field, the first fiel is to specify where to save send messages in the computer not in my acouont
[00:22] <ddecator> looks like you can specify it in "other"
[00:22] <ddecator> my gmail account shows up in there, and it lets me choose the folders
[00:22] <micahg> b3n4dd1: are you using IMAP or POP?
[00:23] <b3n4dd1> POP
[00:23] <micahg> b3n4dd1: there's your problem
[00:23] <b3n4dd1> ahh oki :)
[00:23] <b3n4dd1> thx micahg
[00:24] <b3n4dd1> i have just to turn it into IMAP ?
[00:24] <b3n4dd1> what about port number?
[00:24] <micahg> b3n4dd1: with IMAP you can subscribe to folders in your account and then select that folder to store send messages
[00:24] <micahg> b3n4dd1: can't convert
[00:24] <micahg> b3n4dd1: need to create new account in thunderbird
[00:25] <b3n4dd1> micahg: hmmm ok thx
[00:25] <micahg> b3n4dd1: there's a bug open upstream
[00:25] <micahg> b3n4dd1: for converting from POP to IMAP
[09:10] <BUGabundo_remote> From the Hills, I shout: Guud Morning
[10:09] <nikolam> !seen micahg
[11:51] <gnomefreak> now its timing out :(
[12:13] <gnomefreak> i guess the daily bot for FF TB ect.. is down?so far i only had java and chromium updated
[12:54] <gnomefreak> i miss using firefox :( arora is starting t get to me (the way it acts)
[13:08] <gnomefreak> !info firefox karmic
[13:26] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, http://www.lescretins.com/videos/1-videos/2662-musique-avec-les-sons-derreurs-de-windows.html
[13:27] <BUGabundo_remote> darn trolls in +1 :(
[13:28] <fta> BUGabundo_remote, btw, http:// is back in the paste :)
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> checking
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> yeah I know
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> I'm subbed to all 4 extra bugs
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> *most* pastes now work fine
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> not all
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> but almost all
[13:28] <BUGabundo_remote> now its bugs in apps
[13:28] <fta> ?
[13:28] <fta> wfm in xchat & xterm
[13:29] <fta> and in evolution
[13:29] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: missing plugin
[13:29] <BUGabundo_remote> can't watch that, sorry
[13:29] <fta> that's flash
[13:29] <BUGabundo_remote> kmail, pidgin, etc still fail a lot
[13:29] <BUGabundo_remote> don't have flash on that pc :)
[13:37] <gnomefreak> BUGabundo_remote: im watching over +1 but also doing email. if there is a problem just let me know.
[13:40] <BUGabundo_remote> ok gnomefreak
[13:42] <Dimmuxx> will nspluginwrapper still be needed for flash once firefox 3.6.4 is out?
[13:45] <cwillu_at_work> Dimmuxx, define needed
[13:48] <Dimmuxx> can I remove it and 32bit flash will still work in firefox 64bit because of OOPP?
[13:48] <cwillu_at_work> ahh, no idea
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> Dimmuxx, i'm not sure, but please test the 3.6.4 package in https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-mozilla-security/+archive/ppa :-)
[14:14] <chrisccoulson> i'm using 64-bit flash here, so no nspluginwrapper
[14:18] <Dimmuxx> I'm currently on 32bit though but I'm thinking about switching and that's why I asked ;)
[14:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: do you think we should do another thunderbird release for bug 509248?  Seems like an easy fix.  Should I have it bake in PPA for a day or 2?
[14:39] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yes, we should try and get that in
[14:39] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, I'll make the update, I guess we'll branch Lucid to actually release to archive, but should we test in PPA build first?
[14:40] <chrisccoulson> micahg - what do you also think about bug 543060 too? i'm wondering if i should get that in too, as people upgrading don't have -gnome-support
[14:41] <micahg> k, seems reasonable
[14:41] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i think the importance of bug 543064 and bug 543060 is probably the wrong way round. have you got an opinion on that?
[14:42] <chrisccoulson> i think using x-www-browser as a fallback is a "nice to have" at the moment, but i'd rather actually have gnome support working for everybody out of the box
[14:43] <micahg> chrisccoulson: what you're saying makes sense in terms of urgency, but the priorities are set since the first is a regression and the second one is an enhancement
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i'm not sure the second one is an enhancement though, as upgraders from karmic don't get gnome-support anymore
[14:44] <chrisccoulson> (as the package is not installed by default)
[14:44] <micahg> there was a package for it in karmic
[14:46] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, now i'm confused
[14:46] <chrisccoulson> one second
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> micahg - the thunderbird-gnome-support package in karmic is empty (like firefox-gnome-support)
[14:51] <chrisccoulson> so gnome support works in karmic without installing thunderbird-gnome-support
[14:51] <micahg> chrisccoulson: hmmm...weird, ok, well, I guess that's a regression as well
[14:53] <chrisccoulson> yeah, it is. ok, so we need to do one more upload before release
[14:55] <chrisccoulson> hmmm, the test suite for the new IPC stuff fails :-/
[15:13] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I seem to be having trouble with .links for thunderbird
[15:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: does .links not support * expansion?
[15:15] <chrisccoulson> micahg - no, i don't think so
[15:15] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ah, ok, I'll add to rules
[15:17] <micahg> gnomefreak: I try to do too much, that's my problem
[15:23] <eagles05138785> hey asac you around
[15:23] <eagles05138785> or bdrung
[15:23] <eagles05138785> found something that im not sure if you guys are aware of and its a rather nasty bug and exploit
[15:23] <eagles05138785> in java
[15:23]  * bdrung is here.
[15:23] <eagles05138785> https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558584 <--- exploit in java deployment kit i think
[15:23] <eagles05138785> which has been around since april 2008 and still not fixed
[15:24] <eagles05138785> just thought i would give you mozilla devs a heads up regarding the black list
[15:25] <eagles05138785> btw bdrung they arent sure if linux is affected by the exploit
[15:26] <gnomefreak> micahg: your getting good at it ;) im just waiting for 1 bug to get fixed in firefox, arora is too damn slow as well
[15:26] <bdrung> eagles05138785: you probably want to talk to asac - i am doing mostly extension packaging
[15:27] <eagles05138785> gotcha
[15:27] <eagles05138785> gnomefreak: u want a scare bug take a look at the exploit my friend linked to me this morning
[15:27]  * gnomefreak still has >2000 emails im working on
[15:27] <eagles05138785> have fun
[15:27]  * gnomefreak didnt see that
[15:28] <eagles05138785> gnomefreak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUUGNkG0o5g
[15:28] <eagles05138785> whoops not that lol
[15:28] <eagles05138785> unless u like electronica kinda music lol
[15:28] <eagles05138785> gnomefreak: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558584
[15:29] <gnomefreak> metal when working
[15:30] <eagles05138785> im gearing up for a party
[15:30] <eagles05138785> and maybe a ministry of sound event here in malta i might have a dj slot in
[15:33] <gnomefreak> java has sucked since day one so im not suprised at the bug
[15:33] <eagles05138785> thing is they arent gonna fix it until their next big release in july
[15:33] <micahg> eagles05138785: we already have the latest version in lucid
[15:34] <eagles05138785> micahg: im not sure if its affecting the latest version as well or if the exploit affects linux like it says in the bug
[15:34] <gnomefreak> eagles05138785: it is java bug and the latest version fixed it
[15:34]  * gnomefreak read the bug :)
[15:34] <eagles05138785> really then how come they are black listing it in windows
[15:35] <gnomefreak> windows sucks almost as bad as java with exploits
[15:35] <eagles05138785> lol true
[15:35]  * gnomefreak be back in a few
[15:36] <BUGabundo_remote> fta: paste even fails to gmail using chromium :(
[15:36] <micahg> is it safe to mount /var/run in a chroot?
[15:36] <asac> if you unmonut before removing the chroot its probably ok
[15:37] <micahg> I seem to have a problem configuring dbus in my hardy chroot
[15:40] <asac> micahg: just bindmount that file it asks for
[15:40] <asac> not the whole dir
[15:40] <asac> that worked for me
[15:40] <micahg> asac: k
[15:40] <micahg> asac: I was missing /proc
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> bah, it's so noisy here today
[15:43] <chrisccoulson> one of my neighbours is having a new driveway at the moment
[15:44] <micahg> asac: seamonkey is almost done, I have a problem with update-alternatives which I'll have to get some help with later
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> i can probably help with that when you need it
[15:45] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, a little later maybe, I'm going to push up the thunderbird dictionary fix then head to $WORK
[15:45] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, no problem
[15:50] <eagles05138785> asac: not sure if you have seen https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=558584
[15:55] <micahg> chrisccoulson: my links issue is probably the same w/Seamonkey i.e. trying to do * expansion in a .links file
[15:56] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, most probably
[16:49] <gnomefreak> ok damnit im running out of browsers to use someone fix one of them please. ff,aroa,chromium == way too slow epiphany is jumbled buttons on text
[16:52] <chrisccoulson> gnomefreak - maybe you need a faster computer? ;)
[16:52] <gnomefreak> chrisccoulson: no epiphany is fast the ff ff-3.7 chrom and aroa all freeze up
[16:53] <gnomefreak> fast == jumbled
[17:18] <gnomefreak> !info lightning-extension hardy
[17:19] <gnomefreak> thats what i thought
[18:30] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: will be back in here right after lunch, (desktop meeting happens over my normal lunch time)
[18:30] <chrisccoulson> ccheney, ok, no worries. i will be away for dinner shortly, but i'll be around for most of the evening
[18:31] <ccheney> ok
[18:33] <chrisccoulson> micahg - will you be around for a while?
[18:33] <micahg> chrisccoulson: yep, next 7 hours or so
[18:34] <chrisccoulson> micahg - ok, cool. we need to get together with ccheney and plan out what needs to happen to update firefox in hardy
[18:34] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[18:35] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: so the issue the last i worked on epiphany was i had backported gtkentry c file in its entirety but that caused issues with the callbacks not being properly registered and then calling back into the original hardy gtkentry and BOOM crash :)
[18:36] <micahg> ccheney: firefox should work, but something in the last build broke
[18:36] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: so asac had told me that i needed to hook up the new functions (iirc) using the init function so it would callback correctly
[18:36] <ccheney> chrisccoulson: and i was starting to look into that when i had to get back to fixing OOo rc bugs before lucid release...
[18:37] <micahg> ccheney: when you get back from lunch, I want to talk to you about dictionaries common
[18:37] <ccheney> micahg: ok
[18:37]  * ccheney -> lunch
[18:37] <asac> i think getting epiphany-browser finally done would be the highest priority for ccheney for this
[18:37] <ccheney> asac: yea
[18:37] <micahg> asac: shouldn't be much work for ccheney if any for firefox backport
[18:37] <asac> would be a huge accomplishment
[18:37] <chrisccoulson> ok, i need to get myself up to speed with the hardy stuff, and then i can help out too
[18:39] <ccheney> my most recent compilable work for epiphany is in my personal ppa
[18:39] <ccheney> will take a look at my current diff from that after i get back from lunch and see what i still need to do and/or ask questions about
[18:40] <ccheney> iirc my last upload was from before trying to fix the callback mess
[18:40]  * ccheney really off to lunch now, messages logged
[19:12] <micahg> asac: how much do we care about lintian warnings for Seamonkey 2
[19:12] <asac> micahg: warnings? usually not so much
[19:12] <asac> at lesat if they are not new
[19:13] <asac> like image data in /usr/lib is fine
[19:13] <micahg> asac: non-existent license is one of the
[19:13] <micahg> *them
[19:26] <asac> micahg: why is there no license?
[19:26] <micahg> I think it's out of date
[19:26] <micahg> it seems to point to an old GPL license
[19:44]  * ccheney back
[19:45]  * micahg will be back in a few minutes
[19:51]  * BUGabundo waves o/
[19:54] <BUGabundo> fta: one more ludcris change: lost right click on tabs to duplicate to private browsing and pinning :(
[20:10]  * micahg is available
[20:10] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i branched thunderbird for lucid now
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> (i've got your symlink fix in the local branch here, will push the updates once i've tested them)
[20:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can you do me a favor, if you create new team branches, can you subscribe me?
[20:11] <chrisccoulson> yeah, no problem
[20:11] <fta> BUGabundo, weird, i still have those
[20:11] <micahg> chrisccoulson: thanks
[20:11] <BUGabundo> not on mine
[20:11] <BUGabundo> and im not the 1st to notice either
[20:12] <BUGabundo> restarted it yet?
[20:12] <BUGabundo> 5.0.382.0 (44999) Ubuntu
[20:16] <fta> yep
[20:28] <fermulator> hey
[20:28] <fermulator> Micah told me to come on here and chat about the problem I was having
[20:28] <BUGabundo> so tell us about it fermulator
[20:29] <fermulator> Premise:
[20:29] <fermulator> What's the deal with the Firefox "Mozilla Team" PPA?  I thought this PPA
[20:29] <fermulator> >> was supposed to provide a stable branch of Firefox?
[20:29] <fermulator> >>
[20:29] <fermulator> >> A few days ago, it suggested upgrading to the latest 3.6.4pre ... which,
[20:29] <fermulator> >> as it turns out, is NOT stable.  :-(
[20:29] <fermulator> >> (More details here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1457241)
[20:30] <fermulator> >>
[20:30] <fermulator> >> Would be interested to know why a "pre" release was let into the wild on
[20:30] <fermulator> >> a stable PPA.
[20:30] <fermulator> >>
[20:30] <fermulator> it was suggested that i had the wrong PPA (by accident installed a daily or something instead of stable) --- but this was my APT sources file
[20:30] <fermulator> fermulator@fermmy:/etc/apt$ sudo grep -rin firefox *
[20:30] <fermulator> sources.list.d/mozilla-firefox.list:1:#deb http://1.0.0.2:3142/ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu jaunty main
[20:30] <fermulator> sources.list.d/mozilla-firefox.list:2:#deb-src http://1.0.0.2:3142/ppa.launchpad.net/mozillateam/firefox-stable/ubuntu jaunty main
[20:31] <fermulator> (they're commented out now, but weren't before of course)
[20:34] <chrisccoulson> fermulator, perhaps you could put your source.list on http://paste.ubuntu.com/
[20:34] <chrisccoulson> you didn't get 3.6.4pre from the firefox-stable PPA
[20:36] <fta> apt-cache madison firefox
[20:37] <chrisccoulson> fta - thanks, i was just trying to figure out how to do that ;)
[20:38] <fermulator> ah ha
[20:38] <fermulator> i see now
[20:38] <fermulator> I was testing out the latest thunderbird version, so I added the daily for that, not realizing it would impact my firefox.
[20:38] <fermulator> sources.list.d/thunderbird.list:1:deb http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[20:38] <fermulator> sources.list.d/thunderbird.list:2:deb-src http://ppa.launchpad.net/ubuntu-mozilla-daily/ppa/ubuntu jaunty main
[20:38] <fermulator> .
[20:38] <micahg> fermulator: apt-pinning
[20:38] <micahg> !pastebin > fermulator
[20:39] <fermulator> sorry, will do so next time
[20:39] <BUGabundo> fermulator: didn't I already explain that to you
[20:40] <fermulator> as it turns out though, it was my mistake, like you thought Micah, I did indeed have a daily, but just didn't know it.
[20:40] <BUGabundo> in #ubuntu+1 two days ago ?
[20:40] <chrisccoulson> fermulator, perhaps you should update your forum post ;)
[20:40] <fermulator> (no, this is my first time asking about this)
[20:40] <BUGabundo> fta: asac: micahg: chrisccoulson: maybe we should split TB and FF PPAs?
[20:40] <fermulator> i'll definitely update it now
[20:40] <micahg> BUGabundo: there are plans for a TB stable PPA
[20:40] <BUGabundo> lots of ppl want TB ppa and not FF daily
[20:41] <fermulator> splitting the PPAs would be useful, yes.  also a TB stable would be even more useful.
[20:41] <micahg> BUGabundo: also possible plans for an apt-pinning/sources tool for firefox/tb
[20:41] <BUGabundo> what I would love to see
[20:41] <fta> BUGabundo: used to be the opposite (people wanting daily ff but stable tb)
[20:42] <BUGabundo> right
[20:42] <BUGabundo> that's what I said
[20:42] <BUGabundo> well no
[20:42] <BUGabundo> but you get what I mean
[20:42] <BUGabundo> ppl always want what they can have
[20:44] <fermulator> yes, stable TB is more important because all the plugins/addons take a long time to catch up.
[20:45] <fermulator> PS: Updated my thread;
[20:45] <fermulator> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9150188#post9150188
[20:45] <fermulator> thanks all for the assistance -- sorry for wasting your time
[21:36] <micahg> chrisccoulson: when did you want to have the meeting
[21:50] <fta> why bug 565309 doesn't get its retrace after 3d+??
[21:51] <micahg> fta: not flagged for retrace
[21:52] <micahg> fta: no core dump
[21:52] <fta> oh
[22:24] <chrisccoulson> micahg - i probably won't get a chance to have a meeting tonight, i'm going to get an early night tonight
[22:26]  * ccheney hopes he isn't getting sick, my son is and i'm feeling a bit off this afternoon :(
[22:27] <chrisccoulson> yeah, i don't feel too great atm, hence the need for an early night ;)
[22:27] <chrisccoulson> i've got quite a headache atm
[22:28] <BUGabundo> can someone confirm FF 3.6 daily ppa lost the ability to change tabs with ALT+NUM ?
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> micahg - the symlink fix doesn't work on upgrade btw :(
[22:28] <chrisccoulson> i forgot, there is an issue with dpkg
[22:29] <chrisccoulson> it doesn't replace folders with symlinks on upgrade
[22:29] <chrisccoulson> i think the only way to do it is to remove the folder from a maintainer script before unpacking
[22:29]  * micahg was feeling out of it yesterday
[22:29] <micahg> chrisccoulson: is that in prerm?
[22:30] <chrisccoulson> micahg - it would have to be in the preinst script, as that will run from the new version
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> the prerm script that runs on upgrade will be the old one
[22:31] <chrisccoulson> that sucks, but i've seen this issue before
[22:31] <micahg> chrisccoulson: ok
[22:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'm glad you caught it now
[22:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I don't like breaking stuff :)
[22:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I'll work on a fix tonight
[22:32] <micahg> chrisccoulson: can I use * expansion in the preinst script?
[22:33] <chrisccoulson> yeah, that should be fine
[22:33] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[22:33]  * micahg is almost getting the hang of symlinks
[22:33]  * micahg should write a wiki entry for dealing w/symlinks
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> micahg - see bug 303578 for a similar issue (the bug only affects upgraders rather than new installs, which would be the same for thunderbird too)
[22:36] <chrisccoulson> that was fixed differently though, by checking the folder in the postinst
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> and then removing it if it wasn't a symlink and creating the link from the script
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> but i probably would have just removed the folder in the preinst on upgrade and have dpkg create the link
[22:37] <chrisccoulson> either way is probably fine though
[22:38] <micahg> chrisccoulson: I like your solution better
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> micahg - the only issue with my indea though is that it would also delete any files not owned by thunderbird (if there were any)
[22:40] <chrisccoulson> eg, if another package put them there or the user did
[22:41] <chrisccoulson> whereas doing it with rmdir from the postinst is safe, as it will only replace the dir with a symlink if the folder is empty
[22:42] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k, so, should we go with the safer choice since we're close to release?
[22:46] <chrisccoulson> micahg - yeah, i'd go with the rmdir then ln from the postinst
[22:46] <chrisccoulson> basically, something like this: http://launchpadlibrarian.net/37985347/ubuntu-docs_8.10.3.debdiff
[22:47] <micahg> chrisccoulson: k
[23:39] <BUGabundo> fta: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/19/the-only-four-chords-need_n_543025.html AWESOME