=== MTeck-ricer is now known as MTecknology [11:56] I hope I can get a response to https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-April/000903.html so I can send a followup with a solution ASAP. [12:01] fyi, something is wrong on www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown when I view one of the banners [12:01] grantbow: the reason been given for not offering a non-js solution via ubuntu.com is that there's very intense caching going on, especially during release time [12:02] so this means other peole have to host servers just to get the image on a wiki.ubuntu.com web page? [12:02] s/web/wiki/ [12:03] grantbow: well, it does mean it has to happen via a different server, yes [12:03] grantbow: recently i wondered if google app engine could be a simple and very cheap solution for that [12:03] lunch, bbl [12:03] I am not an expert at the canonical infrastructure for ubuntu.com [12:03] kk [12:05] I would really appreciate any other responses. [12:07] it's 4 AM here so if I don't respond immediately I will as soon as I can. [12:14] for the LTS I really want to promote with all the tools I can [12:23] thorwil: one of the people in the California Team does some work with app engine and we discussed it in #ubuntu-california yesterday [12:23] dragon aka aaditya, I'll ask him about it [12:40] thorwil: app-engine is one possible solution. I just wrote an app that does it. I'll email the list. [12:47] grantbow: cool. generally newz2000 is the man to speak with here, but of course he's not present 24/7 [12:48] nobody can be - and I didn't write the code yet for making it automated [13:19] new python code mailed to the list [13:32] that code has at least one bug [13:52] yes! deployed at http://countdown-lucid.appsport.com - I will check in the code to a launchpad project in bzr [13:52] appspot.com [14:14] https://launchpad.net/countdown-lucid is deployed as http://countdown-lucid.appspot.com - let me know what you want to do. [14:14] * grantbow emails list [14:25] newz2000`: ping me whenever you are around [14:52] /2 === newz2000` is now known as newz2000 [15:09] newz2000: when you get around bug 567184 [15:09] Malone bug 567184 in ubuntu-website ""Orange" Lucid Countdown Banner not showing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567184 [15:10] thanks cjohnston, looking now [15:13] cjohnston: ok, all tidied. [15:14] ;-) [20:24] hello anyone here? somtimes ppl who are on channel are not talking untill some interesting topic comes to them [20:27] we're all actually somewhere else, but don't tell anybody. [20:29] ok i promise. can ubuntu wiki and maybe other ubuntu related pages made that if theres a #chanelname then its made a clickable link as irc:///chanelname ? [20:30] it's a wiki, feel free to edit it. [20:31] that would be good if that is auto. maybe even in css somehow its possible to add. so it wont be needed to manually change that to all pages [20:31] there won't be an automated system for that. [20:31] css doesn't modify markup either. [20:33] that would be easyr. why not that be made? about css i somewhere saw that dynamic code can be put in there but ok maybe in index can be added line that makes #name to clickable [20:34] that would be js. css only modifies how a page looks, not how it works. [20:34] what comes to js, i don't think we want any more of that, especially as we can do the thing manually, if *really* needed. [20:36] not all clients support the irc:// transport, so its not wise [20:36] that as well, but also the js would be an addition to the page load times [20:36] and i don't think i want the wiki pages be any slower than they are now.. :| [20:39] ikonia: i found only pidgin in ubuntu doesnt work irc:// and its an 2y old ticked and pidgin really slowly developing but i hope i will get fixed. even code can be looked up in xchat how there is made solution to open irc:// [20:39] *it will get fixed [20:39] Kangarooo, that's not related. we're not automating the irc://-protocol links [20:40] (somebody might want to write something else with # than an irc channel name, and we definitely would not want that linked. [20:40] hmmm ok maybe then a script can be made to remake #chanel name to add irc:/// or thats too serverconsuming? to run onlt once? [20:40] *only once. [20:41] that would hit the same problem - words with # and not irc channels. [20:41] knome: ubuntu not automating? [20:43] if you think the pages need irc:// links, feel free to start modifying them. find the often hit pages first, then the change can happen gradually. [20:43] knome: yes good point. then maybe in wiki setting can be added some symbol to make contained text to clickable. like [username] and for irc forexample //#//ubuntu//#// [20:43] way too complex. [20:44] knome: for ir chanel page its easy but also each team page has #chanelname [20:44] ok [20:44] *for irc ubuntu chanel page [20:44] thx [20:44] no problem [20:45] ever thought about the fact that it's not implmented for a reason [20:46] eg: ubuntu's been going a long time and has a lot of clever people working on it, if it was a good idea to enable irc:// on webpages, do you think they would have done it by now [20:46] and those links are bad, eg: for me if I click on them, it will open xchat, rather than irssi, there are many reasons not to enable it [20:48] ikonia: webbrowser first ask with what programm user want to open this external link. try clicking one of this example. http://www.mirc.co.uk/mirclink.html is it really not asking what programm u want it to open? [20:49] Kangarooo: no they don't [20:49] ikonia: click that irc:///mIRC couse if works then it opens only channel on network u are [20:49] Kangarooo: I've just tested it, it's not controlled by the webbrowser [20:49] what browser u use? [20:49] doesn't matter [20:49] FF asks me [20:49] maybe you don't have a default client setup [20:50] maybe I do, which is why it doesn't ask me [20:50] bottom line is, people don't need that level of laziness [20:50] i have many browsers installed as im testing differences in opensource browsers tell me name ill check and add a ticket [20:50] add a ticket ??? I don't need a ticket logging, or I'd log one myself [20:50] no ill add a ticked as bug report for that browser [20:51] I don't need a ticket for it, if I did I can raise one myself [20:52] i wont give u a ticked. ok i will make bug report not ticket. but so i dont go checking all browsers just say name of witch one opens for u irc link automatically in xchat [20:54] I don't need you to check anything for me, thank you though. [21:40] knome: maybe interwiki entry [[irc:#chanel]] --> irc ? [21:55] it's not a good idea [21:56] maybe IRC irc://irc.freenode.net/$1 [21:56] no [21:56] wait maybe i misunderstood. why its not [21:56] it's not needed [21:56] because it's not a good idea [21:56] putting irc links in the wiki is not a good idea [21:57] we discused it above [21:57] i have no proof and i havent checked all browser jet. FF asks witch programm u want to open it with [21:57] it's not about proof [21:58] it's not needed [21:58] its easyr to open link [21:58] it's not needed [21:59] ok if u cant say reason then dont say that [21:59] I can say a reason - we discussed it above [21:59] I have no desire to discuss it again [21:59] (10:46:34 PM) ikonia: and those links are bad, eg: for me if I click on them, it will open xchat, rather than irssi, there are many reasons not to enable it [22:00] this u mean? [22:00] that was one example [22:00] theres no proof [22:00] you, yourself said pidgin doesn't work [22:00] but the client is only one reason [22:00] doesnt open irc uri now yes [22:01] knome: offered some solid points too [22:01] xchat opens [22:01] if it was a good idea - it would have been done by now [22:01] I don't care if xchat opens [22:01] people can join a channel on their own [22:01] pidgin will with time it also fixed [22:01] ok - put it this way, if you chance anything, I'll undo the changes [22:02] maybe noone had a solution. here i just even digged in this moinmoin and found solution interwiki entry [[irc:#chanel]] --> irc [22:03] there is no problem so you don't need a solution [22:03] problem is i need to copy and paste #chanelname [22:03] you can just type it [22:03] that also takes time [22:03] then the problem is you are lazy [22:03] book mark the channel [22:03] everybodys lazy [22:04] so you don't need to type it [22:04] no - everybody is not lazy, or this would have been done before [22:04] the fact that it's not been done after all this time shows that no-one wants it and it is more problems than it resolved your one issue of you being too lazy [22:04] :) [22:04] I'm not laughing [22:05] ok lets make a poll [22:05] lets not [22:05] lets just leave it as it is, in a working wiki [22:05] how can then u say that no-one wants it? [22:05] because it's not been done yet [22:05] was this ever discussed? [22:06] if people wanted it / it was a good idea, it would have been enabled [22:06] I don't know, but the ammount of people that maintain the wiki and how clever they are, I'd have confidence they are aware and chose not to do it [22:06] Kangarooo: look - just type the channel name, get a grip and type the name