[11:56] <grantbow> I hope I can get a response to https://lists.canonical.com/archives/ubuntu-website/2010-April/000903.html so I can send a followup with a solution ASAP.
[12:01] <grantbow> fyi, something is wrong on www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/countdown when I view one of the banners
[12:01] <thorwil> grantbow: the reason been given for not offering a non-js solution via ubuntu.com is that there's very intense caching going on, especially during release time
[12:02] <grantbow> so this means other peole have to host servers just to get the image on a wiki.ubuntu.com web page?
[12:02] <grantbow> s/web/wiki/
[12:03] <thorwil> grantbow: well, it does mean it has to happen via a different server, yes
[12:03] <thorwil> grantbow: recently i wondered if google app engine could be a simple and very cheap solution for that
[12:03] <thorwil> lunch, bbl
[12:03] <grantbow> I am not an expert at the canonical infrastructure for ubuntu.com
[12:03] <grantbow> kk
[12:05] <grantbow> I would really appreciate any other responses.
[12:07] <grantbow> it's 4 AM here so if I don't respond immediately I will as soon as I can.
[12:14] <grantbow> for the LTS I really want to promote with all the tools I can
[12:23] <grantbow> thorwil: one of the people in the California Team does some work with app engine and we discussed it in #ubuntu-california yesterday
[12:23] <grantbow> dragon aka aaditya, I'll ask him about it
[12:40] <grantbow> thorwil: app-engine is one possible solution.  I just wrote an app that does it.  I'll email the list.
[12:47] <thorwil> grantbow: cool. generally newz2000 is the man to speak with here, but of course he's not present 24/7
[12:48] <grantbow> nobody can be - and I didn't write the code yet for making it automated
[13:19] <grantbow> new python code mailed to the list
[13:32] <grantbow> that code has at least one bug
[13:52] <grantbow> yes! deployed at http://countdown-lucid.appsport.com - I will check in the code to a launchpad project in bzr
[13:52] <grantbow> appspot.com
[14:14] <grantbow> https://launchpad.net/countdown-lucid is deployed as http://countdown-lucid.appspot.com - let me know what you want to do.
[14:14]  * grantbow emails list
[14:25] <cjohnston> newz2000`: ping me whenever you are around
[14:52] <grantbow> /2
[15:09] <cjohnston> newz2000: when you get around bug 567184
[15:09] <ubot3> Malone bug 567184 in ubuntu-website ""Orange" Lucid Countdown Banner not showing" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567184
[15:10] <newz2000> thanks cjohnston, looking now
[15:13] <newz2000> cjohnston: ok, all tidied.
[15:14] <cjohnston> ;-)
[20:24] <Kangarooo> hello anyone here? somtimes ppl who are on channel are not talking untill some interesting topic comes to them
[20:27] <knome> we're all actually somewhere else, but don't tell anybody.
[20:29] <Kangarooo> ok i promise. can ubuntu wiki and maybe other ubuntu related pages made that if theres a #chanelname then its made a clickable link as irc:///chanelname ?
[20:30] <knome> it's a wiki, feel free to edit it.
[20:31] <Kangarooo> that would be good if that is auto. maybe even in css somehow its possible to add. so it wont be needed to manually change that to all pages
[20:31] <knome> there won't be an automated system for that.
[20:31] <knome> css doesn't modify markup either.
[20:33] <Kangarooo> that would be easyr. why not that be made? about css i somewhere saw that dynamic code can be put in there but ok maybe in index can be added line that makes #name to clickable
[20:34] <knome> that would be js. css only modifies how a page looks, not how it works.
[20:34] <knome> what comes to js, i don't think we want any more of that, especially as we can do the thing manually, if *really* needed.
[20:36] <ikonia> not all clients support the irc:// transport, so its not wise
[20:36] <knome> that as well, but also the js would be an addition to the page load times
[20:36] <knome> and i don't think i want the wiki pages be any slower than they are now.. :|
[20:39] <Kangarooo> ikonia: i found only pidgin in ubuntu doesnt work irc:// and its an 2y old ticked and pidgin really slowly developing but i hope i will get fixed. even code can be looked up in xchat how there is made solution to open irc://
[20:39] <Kangarooo> *it will get fixed
[20:39] <knome> Kangarooo, that's not related. we're not automating the irc://-protocol links
[20:40] <knome> (somebody might want to write something else with # than an irc channel name, and we definitely would not want that linked.
[20:40] <Kangarooo> hmmm ok maybe then a script can be made to remake #chanel name to add irc:/// or thats too serverconsuming? to run onlt once?
[20:40] <Kangarooo> *only once.
[20:41] <knome> that would hit the same problem - words with # and not irc channels.
[20:41] <Kangarooo> knome: ubuntu not automating?
[20:43] <knome> if you think the pages need irc:// links, feel free to start modifying them. find the often hit pages first, then the change can happen gradually.
[20:43] <Kangarooo> knome: yes good point. then maybe in wiki setting can be added some symbol to make contained text to clickable. like [username] and for irc forexample //#//ubuntu//#//
[20:43] <knome> way too complex.
[20:44] <Kangarooo> knome: for ir chanel page its easy but also each team page has #chanelname
[20:44] <Kangarooo> ok
[20:44] <Kangarooo> *for irc ubuntu chanel page
[20:44] <Kangarooo> thx
[20:44] <knome> no problem
[20:45] <ikonia> ever thought about the fact that it's not implmented for a reason
[20:46] <ikonia> eg: ubuntu's been going a long time and has a lot of clever people working on it, if it was a good idea to enable irc:// on webpages, do you think they would have done it by now
[20:46] <ikonia> and those links are bad, eg: for me if I click on them, it will open xchat, rather than irssi, there are many reasons not to enable it
[20:48] <Kangarooo> ikonia: webbrowser first ask with what programm user want to open this external link. try clicking one of this example. http://www.mirc.co.uk/mirclink.html is it really not asking what programm u want it to open?
[20:49] <ikonia> Kangarooo: no they don't
[20:49] <Kangarooo> ikonia: click that irc:///mIRC couse if works then it opens only channel on network u are
[20:49] <ikonia> Kangarooo: I've just tested it, it's not controlled by the webbrowser
[20:49] <Kangarooo> what browser u use?
[20:49] <ikonia> doesn't matter
[20:49] <Kangarooo> FF asks me
[20:49] <ikonia> maybe you don't have a default client setup
[20:50] <ikonia> maybe I do, which is why it doesn't ask me
[20:50] <ikonia> bottom line is, people don't need that level of laziness
[20:50] <Kangarooo> i have many browsers installed as im testing differences in opensource browsers tell me name ill check and add a ticket
[20:50] <ikonia> add a ticket ??? I don't need a ticket logging, or I'd log one myself
[20:50] <Kangarooo> no ill add a ticked as bug report for that browser
[20:51] <ikonia> I don't need a ticket for it, if I did I can raise one myself
[20:52] <Kangarooo> i wont give u a ticked. ok i will make bug report not ticket. but so i dont go checking all browsers just say name of witch one opens for u irc link automatically in xchat
[20:54] <ikonia> I don't need you to check anything for me, thank you though.
[21:40] <Kangarooo> knome: maybe interwiki entry [[irc:#chanel]] --> irc ?
[21:55] <ikonia> it's not a good idea
[21:56] <Kangarooo> maybe IRC irc://irc.freenode.net/$1
[21:56] <ikonia> no
[21:56] <Kangarooo> wait maybe i misunderstood. why its not
[21:56] <ikonia> it's not needed
[21:56] <ikonia> because it's not a good idea
[21:56] <ikonia> putting irc links in the wiki is not a good idea
[21:57] <ikonia> we discused it above
[21:57] <Kangarooo> i have no proof and i havent checked all browser jet. FF asks witch programm u want to open it with
[21:57] <ikonia> it's not about proof
[21:58] <ikonia> it's not needed
[21:58] <Kangarooo> its easyr to open link
[21:58] <ikonia> it's not needed
[21:59] <Kangarooo> ok if u cant say reason then dont say that
[21:59] <ikonia> I can say a reason - we discussed it above
[21:59] <ikonia> I have no desire to discuss it again
[21:59] <Kangarooo> (10:46:34 PM) ikonia: and those links are bad, eg: for me if I click on them, it will open xchat, rather than irssi, there are many reasons not to enable it
[22:00] <Kangarooo> this u mean?
[22:00] <ikonia> that was one example
[22:00] <Kangarooo> theres no proof
[22:00] <ikonia> you, yourself said pidgin doesn't work
[22:00] <ikonia> but the client is only one reason
[22:00] <Kangarooo> doesnt open irc uri now yes
[22:01] <ikonia> knome: offered some solid points too
[22:01] <Kangarooo> xchat opens
[22:01] <ikonia> if it was a good idea - it would have been done by now
[22:01] <ikonia> I don't care if xchat opens
[22:01] <ikonia> people can join a channel on their own
[22:01] <Kangarooo> pidgin will with time it also fixed
[22:01] <ikonia> ok - put it this way, if you chance anything, I'll undo the changes
[22:02] <Kangarooo> maybe noone had a solution. here i just even digged in this moinmoin and found solution interwiki entry [[irc:#chanel]] --> irc
[22:03] <ikonia> there is no problem so you don't need a solution
[22:03] <Kangarooo> problem is i need to copy and paste #chanelname
[22:03] <ikonia> you can just type it
[22:03] <Kangarooo> that also takes time
[22:03] <ikonia> then the problem is you are lazy
[22:03] <ikonia> book mark the channel
[22:03] <Kangarooo> everybodys lazy
[22:04] <ikonia> so you don't need to type it
[22:04] <ikonia> no - everybody is not lazy, or this would have been done before
[22:04] <ikonia> the fact that it's not been done after all this time shows that no-one wants it and it is more problems than it resolved your one issue of you being too lazy
[22:04] <Kangarooo> :)
[22:04] <ikonia> I'm not laughing
[22:05] <Kangarooo> ok lets make a poll
[22:05] <ikonia> lets not
[22:05] <ikonia> lets just leave it as it is, in a working wiki
[22:05] <Kangarooo> how can then u say that no-one wants it?
[22:05] <ikonia> because it's not been done yet
[22:05] <Kangarooo> was this ever discussed?
[22:06] <ikonia> if people wanted it / it was a good idea, it would have been enabled
[22:06] <ikonia> I don't know, but the ammount of people that maintain the wiki and how clever they are, I'd have confidence they are aware and chose not to do it
[22:06] <ikonia> Kangarooo: look - just type the channel name, get a grip and type the name