[00:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: That's the 'of which' I said I'd take care of.
[00:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: Can you host the images under kubuntu.org/~jriddell (or ~riddell, or whatever it is) please?
[00:36] <doyoureallycare> do you guys know if Amarok 2.3.1 Beta 1 is in the backports ppa?
[01:02] <txwikinger> what does knotify need 112M if memory for?
[01:05] <txwikinger> and how do I disable nepomul
[01:05] <txwikinger> and how do I disable nepomuk?
[02:19] <shtylman> txwikinger: systemsettings
[02:19] <txwikinger> shtylman: thanks
[03:49] <verbalshadow> comments please http://verbalshadow.wordpress.com/2010/04/10/the-logarithmic-calendar-view/
[04:12] <ScottK> Would someone please look into getting avogadro to build.
[04:15] <JontheEchidna> looks like it's failing to due an SIP api change
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2950025&group_id=165310&atid=835077
[04:16] <JontheEchidna> closed silently as fixed without any clues as to where/what the fix might be :/
[04:21] <ScottK> I'll give you an FFe if we need to shove a new version in.
[04:21] <JontheEchidna> Oh, it'd be all to simple for upstream to do a new release to fix build breakage
[04:22] <ScottK> Right.
[04:22] <ScottK> It needs the new dh_sip love too.
[04:23] <JontheEchidna> I cannot see any relevant fix in the commit log: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&aid=2950025&group_id=165310&atid=835077
[04:24] <JontheEchidna> er
[04:24] <JontheEchidna> http://github.com/cryos/avogadro/commits/master/libavogadro/src/python/sip.cpp
[04:24] <JontheEchidna> It appears to just be irresponsible triaging on upstream's part
[04:25] <ScottK> Lovely
[04:27]  * ScottK was tired of filing removal bugs on obsolete crap and hoped that one would have a happy ending.
[04:28]  * ScottK goes for a lie down.
[04:30] <JontheEchidna> and of course, I cannot comment on the bug :/
[04:31] <JontheEchidna> hum, hope: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=569438
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> oh, the fix was not in sip.cpp. Who would have known? :/
[04:34] <JontheEchidna> Definitely not us, who were left with nothing to look at in the bug report
[05:38] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Accepted.  Thanks.
[06:10] <jussi> ScottK: without wanting to push, when do you think youll have those backports done?  Id like to make sure the sysadmins have enough time to make sure the new version works.
[06:10] <nixternal> will it be safe to upload a somewhat translated doc package this week? <-- Riddell? I am sure you will say yeah, so I will work on it anyways this week :)
[06:10] <ScottK> Probably tomorrow night or Thursday
[06:11] <nixternal> ScottK: you tried oDesk at all? I have been using it and am doing some Qt work now...pretty cool, and I can ask for whatever I want
[06:11] <nixternal> PyQt for $20/hr, Qt/C++ for $35/hr, Django for $25/hr...3 projects I am working on
[06:11] <ScottK> Nope.
[06:11] <nixternal> pfft, don't even have to use the phone for an interview either...love it!
[06:11] <ScottK> I'd have to be an actual programmer to use that.
[06:12] <nixternal> and once a week, money hits my bank account
[06:12] <ScottK> Nice.
[06:12] <nixternal> they have non-programming tasks too
[06:12] <nixternal> sys admin stuff
[06:12] <nixternal> documentation work
[06:12] <nixternal> which for some reason, people keep selling themselves for $10/hr on documentation
[06:12] <nixternal> shoot, documentation should cost more than the damn programming
[06:12] <ScottK> Maybe I'll have a look.
[06:14] <nixternal> no traveling :)
[06:15] <ScottK> Heh.
[06:15] <ScottK> Right now I'm waiting for my wife to get back from the pharmacy (kid with bronchitis) so I can go to bed.
[06:15] <ScottK> I have to LEAVE the house in 4 1/2 hours for a meeting in NJ.
[06:16] <ScottK> No travelling sounds good right now.
[06:23] <ScottK> txwikinger: ichthux-desktop is currently uninstallable.  Let me know if you need something sponsored to fix it.
[06:24] <txwikinger> ScottK: thanks I will have a look
[06:25] <txwikinger> Probably some packages that got renamed or removed
[06:26] <ScottK> I think so.
[06:27] <ScottK> Package ichthux-desktop version 1.0ubuntu12 has an unmet dep:
[06:27] <ScottK>  Depends: hotkey-setup
[06:27] <ScottK>  Depends: kio-locate
[06:41] <jussi> nixternal: documentation is a horrible job. I agree.
[11:03] <delight> somehow my network manager stoped working on my laptop ... I'm only getting (cabled) network by calling sudo dhclient3
[11:03] <delight> anybody here that got a hint to the problem ? ... had the same a few weeks ago on a desktop machine
[11:13] <Riddell> delight: what doesn't work about it?
[11:19] <apachelogger> ScottK: re backporting something ... that can be done, as long as someone tells me what ;)
[11:20] <delight> Riddell: well i get no network ... ifconfig shows me only the lo interface ... networkmanager in kde has only a inaktive "deaktivated networkmanagement" << tranlated from german ("Netzwerkverwaltung deaktiviert")
[11:24] <sebas> is NetworkManager running?
[11:25] <delight> sebas you mean the widget ? ps aux | grep -i network
[11:25] <delight> root      1089  0.0  0.0   8408  3780 ?        Ss   11:56   0:00 NetworkManager
[11:25] <delight> xenium    1945  0.0  0.4  67552 18252 ?        S    11:57   0:00 /usr/bin/knetworkmanager
[11:25] <delight> root      8451  0.0  0.0   3332   892 pts/1    S+   12:25   0:00 grep -i network
[11:26] <delight> so basicly yes ... both should be running after I run the dhclient3 I get to see my networkdevices when i run ifconfig ... + i also have network by that time
[11:26] <sebas> dhclient and ifconfig are orthogonal to knetworkmanager
[11:27] <sebas> they change status because Solid says that they change status
[11:27] <sebas> for manipulating the status, you need NetworkManager
[11:27] <sebas> so I'm puzzled why it doesn't work
[11:29] <sebas> http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Network_Management << might have some pointers
[11:29] <delight> me too ... well I'll try to inspect some more .. the only thing i did quite different then the other day was starting virtualbox from deb http://download.virtualbox.org/virtualbox/debian karmic non-free
[11:29] <delight> on my lucid ... it was installed for some time but i started it shortly yesterday ... but that would be rather odd
[11:32] <Riddell> sebas: I've had this.  if you run nm-applet and click "enable networking" then start knetworkmanager it's fine
[11:32] <sebas> ah
[11:33] <sebas> can't you enable networking in knetworkmanager?
[11:33] <sebas> hm, no button for that
[11:33] <sebas> the plasmoid has one
[11:43] <apachelogger> ohhhh
[11:43] <apachelogger> that might be why the nm on my netbook seems broken
[11:44] <jussi> oh wow... I had this issue as well!
[11:48] <Riddell> wibble
[11:50] <ryanakca> Riddell: Please let me know when you've hosted the countdown images.
[11:50] <Riddell> ryanakca: the URL nookie gave me seems to have disappeared :(
[11:50] <Riddell> http://blusrcu.ba/nookie/kubunu_banner_final.zip
[11:50] <ryanakca> Riddell: :(
[11:51] <ryanakca> Riddell: 404 here too :/
[11:51] <ryanakca> Do we have his (her?) email?
[11:51] <Riddell> not that I know of
[11:52] <Riddell> oh yes
[11:52] <Riddell> linuxsajten at gmail dot com
[11:53] <ryanakca> Riddell: OK, I'll send him an email and ask him to send you a link to an existing copy.
[11:53] <Riddell> thanks
[11:55] <ryanakca> sent.
[14:57] <seele> nixternal: did you write a plasma service that handles survey/form data?
[15:18] <Riddell> seele: he did yes
[15:49] <shadeslayer> is there a way to confine kde apps to the KDE menu and gnome apps to the gnome menu?
[15:50] <shadeslayer> like Qt apps and Gtk apps
[15:50] <Riddell> no
[15:51] <Riddell> well you could probably add some ignore rule if you really wanted
[15:51] <shadeslayer> :(
[15:51] <Riddell> but cross desktop funtionality is considered a feature
[15:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: i dont want it :P
[15:51] <shadeslayer> Riddell: my menu will get overbloated :D
[15:58] <daskreech> shadeslayer: Yes but it's not respected
[15:59] <shadeslayer> daskreech: humbug....
[15:59] <daskreech> all the apps are tagged with a Gnome and KDE tag  so you could have the menus only show KDE aps
[15:59] <daskreech>  I seem to remember KDE having an option (which actually ignored GNome instead of only showing KDE)
[16:01] <daskreech> it's technically feasible but likely a logistic problem that once you put it in people will want more options that get to matrixy to deal with
[16:02] <shadeslayer> daskreech: heh :P
[16:03] <shadeslayer> daskreech: do you know how to accomplish this in lucid?
[16:03]  * shadeslayer will be gnomified in 1 hour 13 mins
[16:04] <daskreech> I haven't tried Lucid yet except when I needed a live Cd to fix something at a business place and I was quite dismayed to find out that I could not have my boot messages
[16:04] <shadeslayer> daskreech: just remove quiet from the boot line
[16:04] <shadeslayer> daskreech: that should get it talking :P
[16:04] <daskreech> It doesnt
[16:05] <shadeslayer> daskreech: \o/
[16:05] <daskreech> :-(
[16:05] <daskreech> I want boot messages
[16:06] <shadeslayer> daskreech: hehe... me too,ive disabled splash and quiet...
[16:06] <shadeslayer> but in the 2.6.34 kernel i dont get a nice 1440X900 tty
[16:06] <daskreech> See I want splash.
[16:06] <daskreech> Well not really WANT it but it does make people not cringe as soon as I introduce LInux and they see text streaming up the screen
[16:07] <daskreech> That'll make them spin on their heel and walk off
[16:26]  * alvin pines for the days when that text said something like: bringing up eth0 [OK]
[16:27] <alvin> I guess it all started with Windows XP. They already had a bar moving left to right and back. Not very useful though.
[16:54] <Riddell> ryanakca: banners at http://blusrcu.ba/nookie/kubuntu_banner_final.zip
[17:00] <Riddell> ryanakca: http://people.canonical.com/~jriddell/10.10-countdown/kubuntu_7.png
[17:00] <Riddell> etc
[17:00] <xiven> Hi
[17:01] <Riddell> hi xiven
[17:01] <xiven> I'm looking for information about Canonicals patching of Qt. Its really causing problems with Scribus
[17:01] <xiven> I am trying to look into the possibility of writing patches for  Scribus so it works like its supposed to on Kubuntu
[17:01] <Riddell> xiven: qt 3 or 4?
[17:01] <xiven> Qt4 I believe
[17:02] <seele> Riddell: do you remember what it was for?
[17:03] <Riddell> xiven: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-members/qt/ubuntu/files/head:/debian/patches/ is the patches we add to Qt 4
[17:03] <Riddell> xiven: on a note of terminology it's Kubuntu developers who package qt not Canonical (and for the most part the packaging is taken from Debian)
[17:03] <Riddell> seele: what what was for?
[17:03] <seele> nixternal's plasmoid engine
[17:04] <persia> xiven: I remember this issue from long ago, and it seemed at that point to be mostly related to SCIM.  With the transition to IBus some of the issue may have gone away.
[17:04] <Riddell> seele: feedback for kubuntu releases, if you're on lucid you'll have it installed, it's just a web frame to a website with a questionnaire
[17:05] <xiven> hmm
[17:06] <seele> Riddell: ah, that's not quite what i was looking for
[17:06] <seele> i need to store the data locally and then submit it because i need the participant to be able to review the data before submission
[17:06] <Riddell> use a local web server :)
[17:07] <seele> i'm not going to ask participants to install a local webserver as part of the study
[17:13] <xiven> Ok, so the problem was related to SCIM, so if I look into the SCIM patches...then I could probably fix it?
[17:13]  * persia hunts down bugs to refresh memory
[17:15] <xiven> I either need some workarounds to make Scribus work better with Kubuntu, or I need to get Scribus modified so it plays nice with Kubuntu
[17:15] <xiven> I already spoke to Scribus developers and they will not do anything about it, becuase its only K/ubuntu that it has these problems with.
[17:16] <Riddell> xiven: scim isn't a patch in qt 4, it's a module in a separate package which isn't installed by default
[17:16] <Riddell> are you sure you're using the qt 4 version of scribus?
[17:16] <xiven> Unless I can find a good PDF Editing software for Linux which is not command line
[17:16] <xiven> Hold on
[17:17] <xiven> Appearantly its using 3.3.8b
[17:18] <xiven> Ahh...its the development release that is using Qt 4.x
[17:18] <persia> xiven: Unfortunately, I can't seem to find the bugs I was hunting.  If you could point me at some, I may remember more.
[17:19] <xiven> Well, now that I realized I have been opening up the wrong version of Scribus (3.3.13) instead of 3.3.5
[17:19] <Riddell> xiven: try using scribus-ng then, no point working on bugs in a near obsolete version of scribus caused by an obsolete version of qt
[17:19] <xiven> Well, the development version is the newer one...I've been using stable
[17:19] <xiven> Heh
[17:20] <xiven> I didn't realize I was opening the wrong one...
[17:21] <xiven> Usually when I install a newer version of something, the older one gets removed (difference between Ubuntu/Gnome, and Kubuntu/KDE)?
[17:25] <xiven> So, with the use of programs built on Qt4, there should be no compatiblity issues with KDE/Kubuntu?
[17:26] <persia> Any issue would be considered a bug.
[17:27] <xiven> Uhhh
[17:27] <xiven> Is there any way to get KPackageKit to tell me what the total size of the update its doing is?
[17:33] <xiven> Well, yes..but I am talking about issues which the Scribus team would have known about for a while
[17:33] <xiven> Being I thought I was using Qt4, I told them I was, and they told me the standing issues I was having was due to Qt Patches in Kubuntu
[17:34] <xiven> Hey, maybe you can solve a curiosity of mine
[17:35] <xiven> In the era of K/Ubuntu Breezy Badger, a lot of work was undergone to make it very easy to run KDE apps on Gnome and vice versa. What type of work was done to allow this? Was it integration on some level between the Gtk and Qt toolkits?
[17:36] <shadeslayer> weird thing.. networkmanagement plasmoid wont pick up eth0 or wlan0...
[17:36] <shadeslayer> my ethernet is disabled... had to do ifconfig eth0 up
[17:37] <shadeslayer> ideas?
[17:39] <xiven> Hey, is Spy-ware, Ad-ware, or Viruses an issue on Linux worthy of actually scanning for it?
[17:39] <xiven> I know there is Clam Anti-Virus, but that seems more geared toward server services which have vulnerabilities that may allow hijacks or various exploits.
[17:42] <Sput> it's more for scanning mails that are destined for windows boxen
[17:46] <maco> shadeslayer: i get that sometimes...and then a reboot fixes *shrug*
[17:46] <maco> shadeslayer: just pretend you're using windows
[17:46] <shadeslayer> maco: lol
[17:47] <shadeslayer> maco: well i did reboot 5 times,4 of those reboots failed,then i reconfigured the kernel and everything was as is,i guess thats prone to happen since im using 2.6.34-1
[17:47] <maco> eep
[17:47] <maco> unsupported kernel version!
[17:48]  * maco wags finger
[17:48] <shadeslayer> maco: i knew that was coming :P
[17:48] <shadeslayer> still... this is the first time it happened
[17:48] <maco> if i have a bad shutdown (which reminds me, my computer doesnt suspend on low battery last few days...) itll do that on next boot
[17:49] <shadeslayer> maco: yeah i actually had a bad hibernate...
[17:49] <maco> or if i stop nm service, when i start it again, both knm and the plasmoid will refuse to control networking, and on the next reboot theyll fall over as well. it takes a second reboot to get it going
[17:49] <shadeslayer> then i had to force a manual shutdown...
[17:50] <shadeslayer> ah well.. good thing i know about ifconfig and dhclient :D
[17:50] <xiven> Ok, so I'm going to guess that my answer was Linux doesn't have Spy/Ad-ware, and any viruses are caught so fast by the permission issues throwing errors; I have absolutely no reason to think about it?
[17:51] <shadeslayer> xiven: whut?
[17:51] <shadeslayer> xiven: hold on
[17:51] <shadeslayer> !virus | xiven
[17:52] <xiven> I am just wanting to know if Linux has become popular enough for people to actually learn to write spyware/adware or viruses which actually work on linux
[17:52] <xiven> Ol.
[17:52] <xiven> Ok*
[17:52] <maco> there've been ~30 ever
[17:52] <maco> in the wild, that is
[17:52] <shadeslayer> xiven: you might have been pointed there before,so short answer is no,there are no viruses to be threatened of
[17:52] <maco> none for a few years though, so unless you're running red hat 9...
[17:52] <shadeslayer> or ubuntu 5.04.....
[17:52] <maco> (without patches)
[17:52] <xiven> I run Kubuntu Karmic actually
[17:53] <maco> shadeslayer: wasnt 2003 about the last time?
[17:53] <xiven> And I just updated it
[17:53] <shadeslayer> maco: hmm... well you might say that something as old as 5.04 might be vulnerable to some extent
[17:53] <xiven> I try to be using the latest OS version within 3 months of it coming out, no matter which OS it is (Windows ofcourse takes longer, due to cost)
[17:53] <maco> rawr why does wikipedia order linux viruses by alphabet not chronology?
[17:54] <maco> shadeslayer: yes, but targetted attacks more likely
[17:54] <shadeslayer> maco: easier to read?
[17:54] <shadeslayer> yeah :)
[17:54] <maco> ah so there was one OOo macro virus in 2007 called Bad Bunny
[17:54] <shadeslayer> maco: btw 9.10 is horrible while connecting to WEP wifi networks which have static IP's
[17:54] <shadeslayer> i mean really horrible
[17:55] <maco> shadeslayer: i havent used  a wep network in a long while
[17:56] <maco> ah but Bad Bunny was a proof-of-concept, not in the wild
[17:57] <shadeslayer> http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/04/incredible6002.jpg << You must be joking xD
[17:59] <xiven> In some strange way, that sort of inspires me to discover a way for a virus to survive.
[17:59] <shadeslayer> xiven: \o/
[18:00] <shadeslayer> xiven: even if you do manage to make a virus in linux,youll end up filing a bug against the linux kernel at some point of time :P
[18:00] <xiven> Just kind of seems like it would be a revolutionary discovery, and a great advancement for security - because it could then be patched up as well.
[18:01] <xiven> So far the only way I have ever known a virus to live on Linux, is if it was actually tiny bits of code split into a million places within a program (or a few programs maybe), so that the user would actually be getting permission  granted to the application for it to work.
[18:01] <xiven> Which would never work since open source is reviewed so much
[18:02] <Riddell> I get worms attacking my ssh ports constantly, I've had them succeed too
[18:02] <xiven> I mean, I never look at any source code - unless I'm planning on modification. But, anything which makes its way into the Kubuntu repos has been reviewed already.
[18:02] <xiven> Well, I am behind a firewall, with at least some increased security..I think I'm safe there
[18:03] <xiven> But, not even any form of aware or spyware can survive?
[18:03] <xiven> I don't see a program being cut off from calling up firefox passing a web address....
[18:04] <maco> xiven: the user initiating the program is how viruses run. ditto trojans
[18:04] <maco> if it ran without the user initiating something, itd be a worm
[18:04] <xiven> I've had tons of viruses on windows do something without me doing anything
[18:04] <maco> then they werent viruses
[18:05] <maco> they were some other sort of malware
[18:05] <xiven> Well, technically they were classified as Trojans
[18:05] <maco> viruses specifically infect individual files and are transmitted by sharing infected files and run when you open those files
[18:05] <xiven> But, I haven't heard of any virus which wasn't a trojan (or worm) in like 10 years
[18:05] <maco> trojans and worms arent categories of virus
[18:06] <maco> virus, trojan, and worm are separate categories of malware
[18:06] <xiven> I got most of mine by downloading MP3 files.and the virus would become active before I played the file.
[18:06] <xiven> So would that mean the MP3 had a worm not a Trojan? Because my anti-virus has always called them Trojan's
[18:08] <maco> trojan means any file that claims to be good but is actually malicious
[18:08] <maco> so if it was malware with .mp3 tacked onto the end claiming to be a song...
[18:08] <maco> like those hot nude pictures in your email :P
[18:09] <xiven> I don't get nude pictures in my email, but I do get your point
[18:09] <xiven> Where are you from?
[18:09] <xiven> U.S.?
[18:09] <maco> yeah
[18:09] <xiven> Western or Central Eastern?
[18:09] <maco> you never get those spams that are like "hot nude pics of $celebrity"?  theyre usuall trojans
[18:09] <maco> eastern
[18:10] <xiven> Nah...well they come in, but SpamAssassin (or whatever) throws them in my Junk folder before I even know it happened
[18:10] <xiven> Plus, if I do open up one, either linux doesn't even recognize it, or my Anti-Virus quarantines it before it can say hello
[18:11] <maco> right
[18:11] <xiven> Avast is damn good at picking them off quickly
[18:11] <maco> i thought you meant they never arrive for the spamassassin to catch!
[18:11] <xiven> It caught a trojan one time, I had only downloaded like 1/100 of the file, and bing..Avast puts it away
[18:12] <xiven> maco> With Gmail you would be right
[18:12] <maco> Riddell: akonadi not operational :(
[18:12] <maco> i should install updates, though i'll be swapping computers on friday anyway...
[18:12] <xiven> Yahoo, Hotmail unfortunately they land in junk folder...well Yahoo a few make it to inbox, but I never check that email so the spam block is probably a bit untaught
[18:13] <xiven> So, how can I become a Kubuntu developer, and make money at the same time?
[18:13] <xiven> I cannot afford to donate time for programming, or I would.
[18:13] <xiven> (Multi-tasking is a full time thing here)
[18:13] <xiven> Well, multi-tasking when I have a chat open
[18:14] <shadeslayer> xiven: hehe.. the ladder is : User > Bug triager > Free kubuntu dev > Paid kubuntu dev > Paid Canonical employee
[18:14] <shadeslayer> Riddell might have more info though :)
[18:15] <xiven> Ahh, so there is a ladder to climb in order to actually write new software?
[18:15] <shadeslayer> xiven: um.. you dont become a kubuntu dev by writing a app :)
[18:15] <xiven> I wonder how long it would take to climb to a paid developer/if I would have to move...
[18:15] <shadeslayer> xiven: you have to contribute to Kubuntu
[18:15] <shadeslayer> !member | xiven
[18:16] <xiven> I believe I am a member lol
[18:16] <xiven> But, I have only done user activities so far
[18:16] <shadeslayer> xiven: i cant see your cloak... :P
[18:16] <xiven> ??
[18:16] <xiven> brb
[18:17] <shadeslayer> xiven: most kubuntu members have kubuntu member nick cloaks...
[18:24] <seele> Riddell: damnit, you know.. running a local webserver might actually make what i need to do easier :P
[18:26] <xiven> back
[18:26] <xiven> I always run a local web server
[18:27] <xiven> I do all of my development and testing for web the locally
[18:28] <seele> xiven: sure, but regular users don't and so if i want to study regular users, i'm asking them to install software they might not want to install
[18:28] <xiven> Ahh
[18:29] <seele> it will make installing and uninstalling the study software a little more difficult. if it were just wrapped in a plasma widget then that is pretty easy to manage
[18:29] <xiven> Regular users of what?
[18:29] <seele> but installing a webserver will require package management
[18:29] <seele> the kde desktop, it is a wide and long study i'm trying to design
[18:29] <seele> i might have to limit some factors though
[18:29] <xiven> Hmm
[18:30] <xiven> Are you just trying to study what KDE users like/dislike and do?
[18:30] <seele> no not really, i'm targeting particular usage patterns regarding interruptions
[18:30] <seele> like/dislike is marketing research
[18:30] <xiven> interruptions like what?
[18:31] <xiven> Like the use of interrupts for DOS graphics?
[18:31] <seele> task interruptions from social communication. for example popup notifications, task switching due to new information indicators, forced task switching due to popups, etc.
[18:31] <maco> xiven: i think she means like things geting in the user's way
[18:31] <xiven> HMm
[18:32] <xiven> In other words, finding out what annoys users the most, but isn't reported
[18:32] <seele> no, annoyance is different
[18:32] <seele> annoyance is a perceived factor, but it doesnt tell us why or what or how
[18:33] <seele> measuring annoyance may be one of the factors i look in to, but that isn't the purpose of the study
[18:33] <seele> this is a grounded theory approach to figuring out the context of task interruption in the desktop environment due to social communication
[18:33] <maco> i didnt mean annoyance, but like if focus is hijacked, that can prevent you doing what you were just doing
[18:34] <seele> yes, but task switching isn't always bad. sometimes it is necessary
[18:34] <maco> seele: so youre going to be crimsun and tell me identi.ca and irc are why my homework doesnt get done? :P
[18:34] <seele> no, i'm not looking at task performance
[18:35] <seele> i might in a later phase, but this first study is exploratory. i'm not testing hypotheses
[18:35] <xiven> Hmm, well that didin't work. Recorded a macro in OpenOffice to highlight a row a certain color...but the macro just highlights that exact same row
[21:15] <ryanakca> Riddell: Banner's up.
[21:27] <Riddell> ryanakca: lovely
[22:18] <apachelogger> so I was trying to learn skateboarding, of course I am not made for that kind of task and can't hold my balance at all
[22:18] <apachelogger> hence I am a bit in pain ^^
[22:21] <ryanakca> Riddell: Is there anything you can do from the inside to push https://rt.ubuntu.com/Ticket/Display.html?id=10496 along?
[22:31]  * apachelogger sends Nightrose de-duplication cookies
[22:32] <Nightrose> yay cookies!
[22:32] <Nightrose> apachelogger: also send me akademy cookies
[22:32] <Nightrose> much more needed right now
[22:32] <Nightrose> damn CfP
[22:32] <apachelogger> oh my, I am all out of akademy cookies :S
[22:32] <Nightrose> ohnoes
[22:32]  * apachelogger is doing the KDE booth babe job @ grazer linux tage on saturday
[22:32] <apachelogger> if that helps
[22:33]  * apachelogger hasn't realy done the booth babe stuff for like 2 or 3 years
[22:33] <apachelogger> I doubt that will work out well
[22:33] <apachelogger> but oh
[22:33] <Nightrose> hehe
[22:33] <Nightrose> it will
[22:33]  * apachelogger akademy hugs Nightrose
[22:33] <Nightrose> \o/
[22:33] <apachelogger> it all works out in the end
[22:33] <apachelogger> one way or another ^^
[22:34] <Nightrose> true
[22:35] <Riddell> ryanakca: pinging him now
[22:43] <Riddell> ryanakca: does the theme need drupal 6?  if it can use drupal 5 that would mean not having to upgrade the server's drupal setup
[22:43] <Riddell> ofirk: ^^
[22:44] <ofirk> Riddell: I am testing it on drupal 5
[22:44] <ofirk> Riddell: it seems to work fine
[22:45] <ofirk> Riddell: the most important thing is to setup a staging site
[22:45] <ofirk> Riddell: the D6 issue isn't crucial
[22:48] <Riddell> ofirk, ryanakca: he says that might make it more likely and he's asking around
[23:33] <rbelem> hello guys
[23:34] <rbelem> i would like to help you in the TODO list
[23:34] <rbelem> can i get the "Finish system-config-printer-kde port " task?
[23:36] <Riddell> rbelem: of course although it's not a small task and dantii is working on new printer tools which might replace them
[23:38] <rbelem> Riddell, oh! if it will be replaced soon it is better to work on the new one :-)
[23:39] <rbelem> Riddell, do you have another nice task or the todo of the new printer tools?
[23:41] <Riddell> rbelem: this week we mostly need ISO testing
[23:41] <Riddell> although that's a slow and rarely exciting task
[23:41] <rbelem> eheheh
[23:41] <Riddell> after the release we'll need lots of package merges
[23:42] <rbelem> cool
[23:42] <Riddell> if you're looking for coding tasks that file sharing issue is always on my todo
[23:42] <maco> last time i tried iso testing, it failed a lot, and then it turned out to be that some piece of hardware wasnt plugged right :(
[23:43] <rbelem> Riddell, so is it better for me to work on the iso testing?
[23:43] <rbelem> Riddell, yep... i'm looking for coding :-)
[23:44] <rbelem> Riddell, the implementing SMB file sharing task?
[23:45] <rbelem> i think i can get pick this one :-)
[23:48] <Riddell> rbelem: https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Specs/LucidFileSharing is the spec
[23:49] <Riddell> the old smb.conf mess needs scrapping and rewritten to use  "net share"
[23:54] <rbelem> Riddell, wow! that's a really exciting task
[23:55] <rbelem> Riddell, what should i do to assign this task to me?
[23:57] <Riddell> rbelem: start coding :)
[23:57] <rbelem> sweat!
[23:58] <Riddell> you can have this assigned to you https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/kubuntu-lucid-file-sharing
[23:58] <Riddell> but the way to start would be getting KDE SC trunk compiled and running so you can see the current state of the code
[23:58] <Riddell> and dig out the code of the gnome file share dialogue which does it correctly with "net share" so you can see what the right solution is