[00:00] <benkevan> sburwood: You can't have that mindset yet.. because activex HAHA.. wine implementation of some required apps.. just aren't there :(
[00:01] <sburwood> You know what I mean
[00:01] <benkevan> I know :).. I'm just some literal poopoo head
[00:01] <sburwood> letting B Gates get rich by ... well I don't need to explain
[00:03] <PatrickDK> damn, after booting my lucid system is using 29megs of ram :(
[00:04] <acicula> heu, thats bad how?
[00:04] <Jordan_U> PatrickDK: Did you miss a zero or two? That doesn't sound bad to me.
[00:05] <PatrickDK> takes 32seconds to boot
[00:05] <PatrickDK> Jordan_U, nope
[00:06] <Jordan_U> PatrickDK: What's your normal usage after boot?
[00:06] <iconmefisto> did you mean to type :) ?
[00:06] <PatrickDK> 26megs
[00:06] <sburwood> A last question before I go to sleep (it's 1am here) ... My wife has a yahoo.fr e-mail address.  I can install hers in Thunderbird.  I have an e-mail on yahoo.com.
[00:06] <Jordan_U> sburwood: Yes.
[00:06] <acicula> PatrickDK: just a bare install booting to bash i suppose?
[00:06] <benkevan> sburwood: ditch the wife.. problem resolved.. haha.. jk
[00:06] <sburwood> While I put in the correct password, it refuses
[00:06] <PatrickDK> only things running are rsyslogd, inetd, sshd, ntpd
[00:06] <PatrickDK> have 4 network interfaces bonded
[00:06] <PatrickDK> and it's going into use as a firewall, running lucid
[00:06] <sburwood> no, I'm on my 3rd and this one is a keeper
[00:07] <Jordan_U> PatrickDK: Are you counting cache?
[00:07] <PatrickDK> jordan, including cache, it uses 65megs on boot
[00:07] <Jordan_U> PatrickDK: Ah, as a dedicated firewall I can better understand your concern.
[00:08] <Jordan_U> s/firewall/firewall/
[00:08] <PatrickDK> well, it's more, I don't want to be wasting memory uselessly
[00:08] <PatrickDK> like plymouth, and all the other stuff
[00:08] <acicula> its not wasted, its got cool stuff like code in it
[00:08] <PatrickDK> need to use my ram for bgp tables
[00:09] <acicula> you could maybe save a bit by reducing the kernel size/loaded modules?
[00:09] <iconmefisto> sburwood: have you tried yahoo.com instead of yahoo.fr ?
[00:09] <PatrickDK> acicula, looked at that some, don't see any modules I don't need
[00:09] <sburwood> My wife has a yahoo.fr account.  Mine is an yahoo.com account
[00:09] <PatrickDK> kill psmouse module, save 63k :(
[00:09] <sburwood> but I will try that
[00:10] <acicula> PatrickDK: well you can slim down the kernel a bit or perhaps disable some functions that free up memory, or switch to something like dietC for the library
[00:10] <PatrickDK> acicula, I'm not that concerned, I was more or less, happy :)
[00:10] <PatrickDK> I was expecting like 100megs or more on boot, used
[00:11] <Jordan_U> PatrickDK: The modules you have loaded are of course modules being used, but there is a lot compiled into the kernel that you don't need (not that it's worth it to roll your own)
[00:11] <PatrickDK> and going though that much of a pain, also asks for upgrade issues
[00:11] <acicula> PatrickDK: nah, on boot you have loaded basically loaded an uncompressed kernel, parts of libc, modules and a few programs
[00:11] <acicula> oh yeah custom kernels and different libc will probably break a lot
[00:11] <acicula> or require a different more customizeable os
[00:12] <Jordan_U> I would never touch libc on a production system.
[00:12] <PatrickDK> my bigest module, is the 100k e1000 driver
[00:13] <lucas-arg> do we have any gui for changing gdm theme?
[00:13] <acicula> how are you determining the size an individual driver requires?
[00:13] <Jordan_U> PatrickDK: Yes, but how big is the main kernel image itself? Again, the modules you currently have loaded are probably required (or they wouldn't have been loaded in the first place) but stuff compiled in statically is another story.
[00:13] <lucas-arg> !gdm
[00:14] <PatrickDK> hmm, generic-pae or server kernel
[00:15] <acicula> 32bit/vs64bit
[00:15] <PatrickDK> oh, same thing :)
[00:15] <acicula> no not same thing
[00:15] <PatrickDK> I just did a package info
[00:15] <PatrickDK> server is an alias for linux-image-generic-pae
[00:15] <acicula> generic-pae is i assume desktop oriented with pae?
[00:16] <ZykoticK9> lucas-arg, not in the default repo no - you could try the gdm2setup which exists in a PPA - but i wasn't able to successfully change the theme with it either.  Good luck man.
[00:16] <benkevan> Hummm.. why does uname -i show "unknown"
[00:16] <acicula> heu are you on 32bit?
[00:16] <PatrickDK> ya, 32bit with pae
[00:16] <lucas-arg> ok thanks
[00:16] <ZykoticK9> benkevan, i see the same thing on my system as well
[00:17] <PatrickDK> acicula, I'm on x86, not the x64 lucid
[00:17] <benkevan> 2.6.32-21-generic-pae > x86 also
[00:17] <acicula> ah yeah it maps to server-amd64
[00:17] <acicula> on x64
[00:18] <acicula> iirc the server image uses different defaults for the scheduling stuff, not sure if that applies for the generic-pae kernel
[00:19] <PatrickDK> this is the server image
[00:19] <acicula> The 32-bit server kernel supports up to 64 GB of memory; the desktop kernel, a mere 4 GB
[00:19] <PatrickDK> hmm
[00:19] <acicula> yeah i guess its meant for server use then too, even though its labelled generic?
[00:22] <PatrickDK> yep
[00:22] <PatrickDK> it's just the same kernel, compiled with a few options more for servers
[00:22] <PatrickDK> I guess we need a slim server kernel option
[00:22] <PatrickDK> like without fancy video/framebuffers, no sound, no joystick, no mouse, ...
[00:23] <PatrickDK> that would probably be good enough
[00:23] <acicula> i suppose most of that is a module already
[00:23] <PatrickDK> well, lots of it is
[00:23] <PatrickDK> but the hooks still have to get compiled in
[00:24] <TecnoBrat> does it really make any difference with CPUs these days?
[00:24] <PatrickDK> tecnobrat, yes, always
[00:24] <PatrickDK> why buy new servers, just to get 10% performance out of a new server that is 50% faster
[00:25] <PatrickDK> when you could be getting 50% better performance (or close to it)
[00:25] <PatrickDK> well, 110%, instead of 150%
[00:25] <PatrickDK> of what your old servers did
[00:26] <TecnoBrat> you are saying that not compiling with those hooks is going to give you a 50% performance gain?
[00:26] <PatrickDK> and for a kernel, it's really not hard to make a different build
[00:26] <acicula> why would module hooks cause that much performance loss
[00:26] <wastrel> i'm leaving this channel
[00:26] <PatrickDK> I didn't say that
[00:26] <PatrickDK> I was countering you, why care, with ....
[00:27] <PatrickDK> there is no point in getting sloppy, just cause the hardware can handle it, we will suffer performance loss
[00:27] <PatrickDK> that is what starts
[00:27] <PatrickDK> then you end up with windows, and have to upgrade your system for ever release cause the old system is utterly incapable of running it at a reasonable speed
[00:27] <TecnoBrat> 10 years ago kernel compile options made a huge difference, but CPUs were much less powerful .. I'm just wondering how much those actually make a difference now
[00:28] <PatrickDK> tecnobrat, well, this compuer is 10years old :)
[00:29] <PatrickDK> yes I know, everyone running ubuntu is using an i7 system
[00:29] <TecnoBrat> haha
[00:29] <PatrickDK> dual cpu 1.2ghz p3 :)
[00:30] <PatrickDK> and I really do perfer to stick with it, as it's been stable, and working perfectly, and I have lots of spare parts :)
[00:30] <PatrickDK> instead of getting a cheap replacement
[00:30] <PatrickDK> that has like an i5 or something in it
[00:30] <TecnoBrat> wonder how that compares to my revo 1.6ghz dual atom
[00:31] <PatrickDK> I'm sure mine uses more watts :)
[00:31] <TecnoBrat> I don't think thats even a question, lol
[00:31]  * PatrickDK blames his slackware upbringing
[00:31] <PatrickDK> nothing like 16years of slackware to ingrane kernel compiling
[00:32] <TecnoBrat> yea, the one I have uses 8W of power
[00:33] <PatrickDK> mine is using 250watts power, with 7 15k 36gig scsi drives, 4gig ram, dual 1.4ghz cpu's
[00:33] <TecnoBrat> the CPU I mean
[00:33] <PatrickDK> oh cpu, I think they are 50watts
[00:34] <PatrickDK> oh, only 32.2watts :)
[00:34] <PatrickDK> each :)
[00:34] <TecnoBrat> "It required an average of 27 watts while running our processor-intensive Cinebench 10 benchmark test with a 1080p video playing in the background."
[00:34] <TecnoBrat> haha
[00:34] <PatrickDK> http://processorfinder.intel.com/details.aspx?sSpec=SL6BY
[00:45] <ubnbeta2> hey, is flash mouse clicks (youtube/etc) broken for anyone else?  I had this problem on the last (9.10) ubuntu release...
[00:48] <Zelozelos> ubnbeta2, are u using a 64bit os?
[00:48] <ubnbeta2> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/flashplugin-nonfree/+bug/410407 so it's a bug from jaunty days
[00:48] <ubnbeta2> Zelozelos, yes
[00:48] <Zelozelos> try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1358591
[00:48] <Zelozelos> it works great for me
[00:48] <Zelozelos> well now anyhow
[00:49] <ZykoticK9> ubnbeta2, if you want to fix the currently installed flash see http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/clicking-in-flash-not-working
[00:54] <ubnbeta2> what a huge and long standing bug, why no official fixes?
[00:55] <iconmefisto> ZykoticK9: is that your site?
[00:55] <ZykoticK9> iconmefisto, yup
[00:56] <mininessie> broadcom wl.ko invalid module format
[00:56] <ZykoticK9> iconmefisto, more of a personal permanent pastebin then an actual site though ;)
[00:56] <mininessie> broadcom wl.ko invalid module format
[00:56] <guitarguy> Hi, has anybody figured out the plymouth issue under nvidia proprietary?
[00:56] <mininessie> help broadcom wl.ko invalid module format
[00:56] <ZykoticK9> guitarguy, what's not working?  Plymouth has been working with nvidia proprietary for a while now.
[00:57] <ZykoticK9> !repeat | mininessie
[00:57] <mininessie> help broadcom wl.ko invalid module format
[00:57] <Jordan_U> guitarguy: You can't use KMS with the nvidia proprietary driver, so it's not possible to have a full resolution splash.
[00:57] <guitarguy> ZykoticK9: nope, it's not working properly
[00:57] <ZykoticK9> Jordan_U, if you manually specify a resolution it's possible
[00:57] <Jordan_U> ZykoticK9: Only what VESA supports
[00:57] <guitarguy> Jordan_U: i dont want a full resolution splash, i want a working splash
[00:58] <Jordan_U> guitarguy: In what way is it not working?
[00:58] <PatrickDK> why even bother with a splash at all?
[00:58] <PatrickDK> I just delete plymouth
[00:58] <ZykoticK9> PatrickDK, +1 for the first comment
[00:58] <guitarguy> Jordan_U: It looks terrible, like a 2bit color mirror image
[00:58] <PatrickDK> first comment in what?
[00:58] <Volkodav> +2
[00:58] <ZykoticK9> why even bother with a splash at all?
[00:59] <PatrickDK> heh, I always disliked splash, ya pretty and all
[00:59] <PatrickDK> but I like to see the text scroll :)
[00:59] <guitarguy> PatrickDK: yep, my thought exatcly, but if your solution is to delete everything you dont need, then that is not a solution at all
[00:59] <PatrickDK> guitarguy, well, if I could apt-get remove plymouth, I would
[00:59] <Jordan_U> guitarguy: That's a limitation of plymouth when using user mode setting. You won't get higher bit depth before release though they may choose an image that doesn't lend itself to banding.
[00:59] <PatrickDK> but can't, so have to delete manually, and all is good with the world :)
[01:00] <guitarguy> PatrickDK: i  understand, my lappy is working great even without it, but it's just that touch that makes you feel you are starting ubuntu that gets me
[01:01] <guitarguy> PatrickDK: i liked it alot in karmic, it works with a live cd in lucid, but not on a install
[01:01] <PatrickDK> the only thing that is annoying me right now, on lucid-server
[01:01] <PatrickDK> is when it boots, the text scrools
[01:01] <PatrickDK> then right before the login prompt, it clears the screen :(
[01:01] <guitarguy> Jordan_U: why at all did they change u_splash to plymouth? what was wrong with usplash?
[01:02] <PatrickDK> usplash had many annoyances and limitations
[01:02] <ZykoticK9> guitarguy, that's "progress" for ya
[01:03] <guitarguy> PatrickDK: and plymouth doesnt?
[01:03] <Jordan_U> guitarguy: plymouth has an active upstream and will be supported for the life of 10.04 LTS, they didn't want that burdon for years since usplash was an Ubuntu only project.
[01:03] <ZykoticK9> guitarguy, or that's "regression" for ya ;)
[01:03] <mininessie> help broadcom wl.ko invalid module format
[01:03] <guitarguy> that's just annoying
[01:04] <guitarguy> so nothing can be done than to wait for the release and hope they fix it?
[01:04] <guitarguy> i dont want bigger resolutions, or higher depths, i just want it to works as it works with a liveCD
[01:05] <guitarguy> ZykoticK9: like
[01:05] <ZykoticK9> guitarguy, if you use nouveau you'll get the splash as you want it - but no 3d goodness with the nvidia proprietary in Xorg
[01:06] <acicula> mininessie: are you insmod(ding) or modprobing?
[01:06] <guitarguy> ZykoticK9: i know, and it's a terrible choice, that i would never make
[01:08] <guitarguy> ZykoticK9: it's not just about me, i just want a working OS, which ubuntu has given me so far, but it's about the skeptical friends who would see this and never go the ubuntu way just for that question: "Hey, why is the Ubuntu so crooked and bad-looking and unreadable and...?"
[01:09] <guitarguy> ZykoticK9: Ubuntu, as in the lettering at the splash
[01:09] <gartral> whats a good burntest program for linux?
[01:09] <ZykoticK9> guitarguy, if your friends can't see past the splash - they will certainly find other show stoppers while using linux.
[01:09] <mininessie> acicula: insmod
[01:10] <guitarguy> zykoticK9: true, but when somebody is skeptical at start, that somebody just needs that little punch to go all the way, so this is a serious issue if ubuntu wants to attract new users
[01:11] <ZykoticK9> guitarguy, i believe it's an nvidia issue - not really an ubuntu issue
[01:11] <acicula> mininessie: try modprobe, or are you trying to load a custom compile job?
[01:11] <acicula> wma9spdmo what package is that codec in, mplayer is missing it but so is totem it seems
[01:12] <c0vert> i show my friends compiz and it usually works to make them try it
[01:12] <mininessie> acicula: its for wireless
[01:12] <guitarguy> ZykoticK9: well, all was good with usplash. Nvidia didn't make the change to plymouth :D
[01:12] <nishanth> any one know how to run plymouth-solar?
[01:13] <acicula> mininessie: yeah thats sortof implied
[01:13] <ZykoticK9> nishanth, sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[01:13] <guitarguy> nishanth: do you have solar installed?
[01:14] <acicula> guitarguy: dont complain about lacking support here, but at nvidia support ;) maybe they'll fix their drivers
[01:14] <nishanth> guitarguy: i have installed it but it does not work
[01:14] <guitarguy> nishanth: well then sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[01:14] <guitarguy> nishanth: and select your theme
[01:15] <guitarguy> acicula: i am not complaining about anything, just changing the boot-splash-handler while the previous one worked fine is a little unprecedented for. My father always said, don't fix something that is working.
[01:16] <acicula> guitarguy: well the answer given makes sense, the usplash system was not going to be supported for the duration of the lts
[01:17] <nishanth> guitarguy; how do i make my selection..... i typed in 10 and it didnot do anything.....it displayed the same msg to make my selection again
[01:17] <iconmefisto> do you need to do update-initramfs after changing plymouth theme?
[01:17] <guitarguy> acicula: nvidia drivers are working fine. Compiz is on, and all the effects are working
[01:17] <Jordan_U> guitarguy: Did you father have to maintain code that no other distro cared about for the life of an LTS release instead of standardizing on plymouth that is being actively developed and used by everyone else?
[01:18] <ubnbeta2> is the nvidia driver what cause the default splash to get messed up and use a lower resolution?  I noticed after doing updates my splash went crazy.  Before it was full screen (2560x1600)
[01:18] <droid7> i noticed this too ^
[01:18] <c0vert> it's not the nvidia because my ati does it too
[01:18] <ubnbeta2> seems it's doing disks checks every time on boot now also...
[01:18] <PatrickDK> ok, I dunno why my lucid desktop has no issues
[01:18] <guitarguy> Jordan_U:oh, plymouth is actively developed? ok then, maybe somebody will come up with a fix
[01:19] <Jordan_U> guitarguy: You can't just "not fix what isn't broken" with code. Things change, usplash will break, the Ubuntu devs don't want to waste time continuing to fix it when ther is an option that is better in *almost* every way.
[01:19] <PatrickDK> but my lucid-server has nothing but issues looking for the root fs :(
[01:19] <PatrickDK> on almost every other boot
[01:19] <c0vert> my lucid has no issues besides the crappy resolution at boot lol
[01:19] <PatrickDK> I thought it went away, but is back :(
[01:19] <guitarguy> PatrickDK: are u using nvidia drivers?
[01:19] <PatrickDK> guitarguy, like I said, SERVER
[01:19] <droid7> :O
[01:19] <PatrickDK> I install geforce cards in all my servers :)
[01:20] <guitarguy> PatrickDK: oh, right, kudos to you
[01:20] <guitarguy> :D
[01:20] <CarlFK> how can I install sun-java6-jdk on lucid?
[01:20] <c0vert> icedtea lol
[01:20] <guitarguy> ^
[01:20] <PatrickDK> hmm, I guess I will kill uuid, and see if it's stable
[01:20] <ZykoticK9> CarlFK, add the Partner repo
[01:21] <PatrickDK> I can't have a server 4 hour drive away, that only boots 50% of the time
[01:21] <c0vert> from what i can tell, they left the actual java packages for us 64bit users but deleted them for 32bit?
[01:21] <CarlFK> ZykoticK9: thanks - I think I know waht athats about
[01:21] <ubnbeta2> also, my cursor isn't working in all apps, I'm using white-glass large and many apps and desktop I get standard white small cursor, some like firefox and different ares like text boxes work
[01:21] <ZykoticK9> CarlFK, blue message at top of http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/java if you are unclear
[01:22] <guitarguy> having the same issue as ubnbeta2, some apps its DMZ white, other it's DMZ black
[01:22] <CarlFK> ZykoticK9: thanks much
[01:23] <droid7> is there an actual ppa listing I could use for the kernels? http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[01:23] <tawd> hey, i did a clean install of 10.04 recently, and have noticed that my internet is extremely slow.  is this a bug or just something on campus?
[01:24] <guitarguy> tawd: campus, probably, OS rarely has sth to do with bandwith
 k, yeah, if it's not the os, it's gotta be the provider.  thanks!
[01:25] <johnjohn101> i reported a problem yesterday about losing my left mouse button using 10.04 in vmware. it seems to be related to having chromium up and running at the same time
[01:25] <c0vert> droid7, i'm getting faster speeds than usual if anything
[01:25] <guitarguy> tawd: np, try it out on another hotspot, see if it makes a difference
[01:25] <droid7> c0vert, wrong guy ? :p
[01:25] <c0vert> indeed, damn vodka
[01:26] <droid7> heineken :)
 might do that next week, will check it out
[01:26] <c0vert> don't drink and linux.
[01:26] <guitarguy> c0vert: dont drink and anything near a keyboard.
[01:27] <PatrickDK> johnjohn101, I have that issue
[01:27] <PatrickDK> thought it was karmic though
[01:27] <Jordan_U> johnjohn101: If it's convenient would you mind telling me if you have a /dev/disk/by-id/ directory in your lucid VM?
[01:27] <PatrickDK> I don't have chromium running
[01:27] <tawd> also, i installed 10.04 on a friends computer, and for some reason grub2 won't let her log into Vista.  anyone have any experience with this?
[01:28] <guitarguy> tawd: how did you install ubuntu? over vista, or ubuntu first?
 vista was installed first, then ubuntu
[01:28] <droid7> rm -rf vista
[01:28] <droid7> :D
[01:28] <tawd> lol
[01:28] <johnjohn101> jordan_u: it's my work computer and I don't have any access to it now.  will you be on this channel tomorrow?
[01:29] <guitarguy> tawd: what option did you select when installing ubuntu?
[01:29] <Jordan_U> johnjohn101: Yes.
[01:29] <guitarguy> tawd: side by side?
[01:29] <johnjohn101> patrickdk.  it seems like I can almost reproduce it by having chromium up and then opening a hundred windows.
 i manually set up the partitions so that i could give different partitions to /, /home, and swap
[01:29] <Jordan_U> tawd: Do you see a menu entry for Vista at all?
[01:30] <guitarguy> ^?
 there is a list for the vista recovery thing
 sorry, what were you asking
[01:30] <guitarguy> tawd: the same as Jordan_U :D
[01:31] <PatrickDK> johnjohn101, mine is simpler to reproduce
[01:31] <guitarguy> tawd: at grub, can you select vista, do you see it?
[01:31] <PatrickDK> and I have no windows open :)
[01:31] <droid7> you can repair grub through a live cd; or it might be a bug
 there is an option for a vista recovery thing, but i'm not sure if it's the OS.  it doesn't allow her to log into windows
[01:31] <johnjohn101> patrickdk, do you know if there is an issue for this?
[01:32] <PatrickDK> nope
[01:32] <PatrickDK> haven't bothered me enough yet :)
[01:32] <guitarguy> tawd: login to ubuntu, and see if the partition where vista is installed is still there
[01:32] <guitarguy> tawd: use Gparted
 it is.  she can mount it from ubuntu
[01:33] <guitarguy> tawd: try updating grub
[01:33] <Jordan_U> tawd: Can you pastebin the output of "sudo os-prober"?
[01:33] <johnjohn101> patrickdk, what are your steps to reproduce, is it only on vmware?
 sadly i can't at the moment.  i may be back on here later tonight when i have it in front of me
[01:34] <tawd> i've done a lot of research, played around with  "sudo fdisk -l sda" and adding those entries to grub, but all i get is the recovery screen.  maybe vista needs the recovery cd?
[01:35] <guitarguy> tawd: i think that grub is broken, if it is vista, it should have a (loader)
[01:35] <guitarguy> tawd: i've been dualbooting with 7, the menu entry states Windows 7 (loader)
[01:35] <droid7> vista && win 7 use the same loader
 hmm, ok.  should i use synaptic to uninstall grub2, then reinstall it?
[01:36] <tawd> or use another program to boot?
[01:36] <guitarguy> droid7: my point exactly, so when trying to boot in vista, the menu entry should be Vista (loader) or similar
[01:36] <droid7> Windows (loader)
[01:36] <guitarguy> tawd: try updating grub first
[01:37] <droid7> but i wouldn't use that as a switch
[01:37] <droid7> arch has just Windows for their vista/win7 (just for thought)
[01:37] <guitarguy> tawd: sudo update-grub
 k, i'll try that one later
[01:38] <guitarguy> tawd: if that doesn't help, dont know what else you could try then reinstalling vista and setting up grub again :D
 what is the other one, lilo?
[01:38] <droid7> tawd, could you post your grub config on pastebin?
 it's for a friends computer, which i don't have in front of me at the moment, sorry.  going from memory
[01:40] <iconmefisto> !tab | tawd
[01:40] <droid7> tawd, it's no problem.
[01:41] <droid7> tawd, grub 2 ?
[01:41] <tawd> iconmefisto, wow!  thanks lol.  didn't know that
[01:41] <guitarguy> tawd: dont think that you can change the loader without reinstalling ubuntu
[01:41] <tawd> droid7, yes, grub2
[01:41] <guitarguy> tawd: anyway, youll need the alternate cd to do that, if i remember correctly
[01:42] <droid7> tawd, tell him to make his /boot/grub/grub.cfg entry for windows look like this (http://pastebin.org/163506). Only replace (hd0, 1) with w/e partition it is.
[01:43] <CarlFK> how do I find a PPA for jython release?  I found this. which isn't that https://code.edge.launchpad.net/~vcs-imports/jython/trunk
[01:44] <tawd> droid7, that's what it does look like, just without the  "insmod ntfs"
[01:44] <iconmefisto> droid7: but that grub.cfg will be updated with new kernels, etc
[01:44] <ubnbeta2> grub2 doesn't use that config anymore, you need to edit /etc/grub.d and /etc/default/grub
[01:44] <droid7> iconmefisto, for the moment, it's best if he can at least boot :)\
[01:44] <droid7> actually, how often does grub update it's cfg syntax?
[01:45] <droid7> (real question not trying to be an ass)
[01:45] <tawd> droid7, everytime "sudo update-grub" is run i think
[01:45] <ubnbeta2> every time you install a new kernel, update-grub will be called and override anything you manually put in /boot/grub/*
[01:45] <arand> droid7: On each kernel update, on every update-grub.
[01:45] <droid7> ah that's what you meant
[01:45] <iconmefisto> droid7: anything that triggers update-grub (kernel upgrades, for a start
[01:45] <droid7> my misunderstanding
[01:46] <tawd> droid7, you can make a new file though, like a lot of people make 11_Windows file, make it executable, then it runs when "update-grub" is called
[01:46] <iconmefisto> there is a /etc/grub.d/40_custom where you could put the windows loader section
[01:46] <tawd> yeah, 11_Windows, or 40_custom
[01:47] <iconmefisto> and then in /etc/default/grub add GRUB_DISABLE_OS_PROBER=true
[01:47] <droid7> that's weird though. 10.04 configured mine  and it seems to work without a hitch.
[01:48] <tawd> should i take my chances and redo a fresh install on her computer to maybe get grub2 to recognize it correctly?
[01:49] <tawd> the problem is that vista won't run (isn't an option) after i shrank the partition to make space for ubuntu
[01:49] <iconmefisto> !grub2
[01:49] <droid7> tawd, you should be able to update grub via a live cd or copy over a .cfg
[01:49] <droid7> you could always skip grub and go with something else too
[01:49] <gartral> droid7: it would seem that those of us who had earlier grub installation dont suffer from this loss of windows partition bug
[01:50] <droid7> gartral, all for the better eh :P
[01:50] <gartral> tawd: can you boot windows usin a recovery cd?
[01:50] <tawd> gartral, probably, i've had mine partitioned for 2 years, and upgraded to 10.04 flawlessly
[01:50] <guitarguy> gartral: i have the new grub, dualbooting, never had an issue
[01:50] <gartral> tawd: then you sholdn't see this issue
[01:50] <droid7> if only ubuntu had rolling release *tear
[01:50] <tawd> gartral, not sure if she has a vista recovery cd, i could look for one
[01:50] <gartral> guitarguy: im still running 1.98beta2
[01:51] <gartral> tawd: trinity recovery toolkit is a good second option
[01:51] <tawd> gartral, the problem is on a friends computer, not mine.  mine works very well with 10.04
[01:51] <ZykoticK9> gartral, 1.98 = grub2
[01:51] <gartral> tawd: ahh
[01:51] <gartral> ZykoticK9: ok..
[01:51] <tawd> gartral, oo, good idea, i have a few versions of trinity laying around
[01:51] <guitarguy> zykoticK9: damn, you type fast, i just wanted to say that :D
[01:52] <guitarguy> sure hope plymouth gets fixed on LTS
[01:53] <guitarguy> i think i modified the initframs, any idea how to return them to default?
[01:54] <iconmefisto> sudo update-initramfs -u ?
[01:55] <guitarguy> iconmefisto, trying that now
[01:55] <guitarguy> iconmefisto, tnx
[01:56] <iconmefisto> guitarguy: that -u means "update the initramfs". update-initramfs --help for other options
[01:57] <gartral> tawd: all is well ihope?
[01:58] <tawd> gartral, yeah, her computer will boot ubuntu fine, it just can't seem to boot vista, i'm just wanting to fix this for her
[01:59] <tawd> that and a biochem test friday lol
[01:59] <tawd> gartral, she can even mount vista from ubuntu to access her old files, just can't seem to boot it yet
[02:00] <guitarguy> tawd: start with a ubuntu liveusb or cd, and copy the grub.cfg from the live usb to the installed ubuntu
[02:01] <Jordan_U> tawd: The output of "sudo os-prober" could clear up a lot.
[02:01] <guitarguy> Jordan_u: tru
[02:01] <tawd> Jordan_U, yeah :( I'll get that in a bit, I think she has a night class right now
[02:02] <iconmefisto> I don't see how grub.cfg on a livecd would have any info about windows partitions though
[02:03] <gartral> how does one tell apt too look for and install all suggested packages for an application?
[02:04] <tawd> guitarguy, gartral, droid7, i'm about to go get in front of the computer with the grub2 problem.  i'll be back in like 10 minutes
[02:04] <tawd> oh yeah, and Jordan_U  ^^
[02:05] <guitarguy> iconmefisto: that's what i did, when i ruined my grub, an no os could boot :D
[02:05] <gartral> tawd: good luck
[02:06] <robin0800> tawd: silly question but have you run sudo update-grub this should probe for offer operating systems and add them to the grub menu
[02:06] <guitarguy> tawd, cya
[02:07] <droid7> tawd, sounds good
[02:07] <guitarguy> anybody with a plymouth-nvidia-splash solution? :D
[02:11] <c0vert> guitarguy, i don't think it's just nvidia as my resolution goes to crap too
[02:11] <iconmefisto> gartral: you mean install recommended packages?
[02:12] <guitarguy> c0vert: it's not the resolution, it's like the ubuntu logo is mirror imaged and various colors appear, all but the right ones
[02:12] <iconmefisto> gartral: sudo apt-get install --install-recommends <package>
[02:13] <c0vert> ah
[02:13] <gartral> iconmefisto: yes! ty
[02:13] <gartral> hmm.. cant play youtube videos
[02:13] <droid7> good stuff here http://wiki.linuxhelp.net/index.php/Apt-get_Guide
[02:13] <gartral> i click play and they sit there
[02:14] <ubnbeta2> after some updates my boot is always checking my drive for errors, don't think that is normal...
[02:14] <c0vert> gartral, 64bit?
[02:14] <gartral> c0vert: i7 860.. yea
[02:14] <c0vert> let me see if i can find the guide yet again lol
[02:14] <droid7> yeah i've noticed this too (check drive) although it's instant. must be some erroneous check
[02:15] <ZykoticK9> gartral, http://sites.google.com/site/alucidfs/how-i-do/clicking-in-flash-not-working
[02:15] <tawd> ok, i'm back on the computer with grub2 problems
[02:15] <c0vert> gartral, if that doesn't work try this which seems to be working for everyone too http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1358591
[02:15] <droid7> i thought that clicking issue was fixed already?
[02:16] <iconmefisto> tawd: maybe pastebin the grub.cfg to begin with?
[02:16] <c0vert> the guide i posted was to get flash working good in general. but it seems to fix peoples problems too
[02:16] <tawd> iconmefisto, where is that located?
[02:16] <guitarguy> tawd: did you ran sudo update-grub?
[02:17] <PatrickDK> hmm, as far as I can tell, lucid-server with grub2 seems much more stable without using uuid's
[02:17] <iconmefisto> tawd: /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[02:17] <Jordan_U> PatrickDK: define more stable.
[02:17] <tawd> guitarguy, just did
[02:18] <guitarguy> tawd, and sudo os-prober?
[02:19] <tawd> iconmefisto,  http://pastebin.com/LihgM9Me
[02:19] <moes> In the wiki there is a procedure to upgrade Hardy 8.0.4 to Lucid 10.04...Is that the stable Lucid
[02:19] <gartral> ZykoticK9: your fix broke flash entirly
[02:19] <c0vert> gartral, try mine lol
[02:19] <Pici> moes: Lucid is not yet released, so no.
[02:20] <ZykoticK9> gartral, i'm sorry but i'm affraid you must have done something wrong
[02:20] <moes> Pici, thanks
[02:20] <tawd> guitarguy, output of that is /dev/sda2:Windows Recovery Environment (loader):Windows:chain
[02:20] <Pici> moes: Wait until the 29th :)
[02:20] <ZykoticK9> gartral, many people have followed those directions successfully
[02:20] <PatrickDK> Jordan_U, it doesn't fail to find root 50% of hte time, at boot
[02:21] <ZykoticK9> gartral, but following c0vert directions will install 64bit flash (which is different)
[02:21] <arand> moes: Mind that Lucid is unreleased and not stable proper, you can do the upgrade using "sudo do-release-upgrade -d" or "update-manager -d" But expect appropriate breakage.
[02:21] <PatrickDK> not using lvm at all, only using /boot as primary partition, and swap and / as logical
[02:21] <c0vert> ZykoticK9, he's on 64bit so i think it would make more sense no?4
[02:21] <guitarguy> tawd,  hmmm, that output sounds good
[02:22] <tawd> guitarguy, so you think it might need a recovery cd, like trinity or a vista cd
[02:22] <guitarguy> tawd,  the windows is on another hard drive, right?
[02:22] <ZykoticK9> c0vert, ya i suppose - it is a alpha/beta flash, and the Ubuntu 32bit version works fine for me, but for others maybe the 64bit flash is better (i've never bothered myself)
[02:22] <ZykoticK9> c0vert, the clicking issue only affects 64bit systems
[02:22] <tawd> guitarguy, no, same harddrive, just a different partition
[02:23] <c0vert> ZykoticK9, i experience a little lag watching HD videos on youtube (720p) i wonder if i downgraded to the 32bit if it would help
[02:23] <Jordan_U> tawd: Can you pastebin the output of "ls /mnt/Boot/"? (where /mnt is the mountpoint for Vista's partition).
[02:23] <mazda01> i compiled xbmc 9.11 in lucid and I had no set content options when I hit "I" on the video source I jsut added. I also noticed that there were no default scrapers. did I configure it incorrectly?
[02:23] <ZykoticK9> c0vert, doubt it - flash is poor no matter what you do -- but video card and internet speed are biggest factors
[02:24] <c0vert> i have very fast internet. i'm thinking the graphics drivers may be a little lacking compared to windows7 i guess
[02:24] <ZykoticK9> c0vert, ati?
[02:24] <gartral> ZykoticK9: 1) im usin chrome, not ff. 2) the firefox i DO have isn't an official ubuntu build. also. im running a upgrade from 9.10>10.04. so any number of variables could be wrong here
[02:24] <c0vert> yeah. raedon hd 3200
[02:24] <guitarguy> tawd: this part is confusing to me from the grub n /dev/sda2
[02:25] <ubnbeta2> flash on linux sucks period.  I've got a i7 920, GTX 260 and it still lags fullscreen.  Funny thing is if you turn off hardware acceleration it sometimes works better.
[02:25] <ZykoticK9> gartral, i use chromium as well
[02:25] <tawd> Jordan_U, ls: cannot access /dev/sda2/Boot: Not a directory
[02:25] <guitarguy> flash and linux? water and oil
[02:25] <ZykoticK9> gartral, that fix works for firefox/chrome/chromium (just not opera)
[02:25] <ubnbeta2> I hate flash, wish youtube html5 worked for firefox
[02:25] <gartral> ZykoticK9: not chromium. the actual Chrome from the google labs page >.>
[02:26] <tawd> Jordan_U, guitarguy, i'll pastepin the output of my "sudo fdisk -l sda" in a sec
[02:26] <gartral> ZykoticK9: who uses opera today anyway? unless your on dialup
[02:26] <c0vert> gartral, did you try the guide i posted?
[02:26] <ChogyDan> ubnbeta2: watch the google io conference.  If they release that codec, it will work eventually
[02:26] <ZykoticK9> gartral, i'm always surprised by the number of opera fans out there - i'm not one of them
[02:26] <mazda01> i compiled xbmc 9.11 in lucid and I had no set content options when I hit "I" on the video source I jsut added. I also noticed that there were no default scrapers. did I configure it incorrectly?
[02:26] <gartral> c0vert: not yet, im still looking it over making sure the changes are sane compared too my setup
[02:27] <c0vert> firefox + adblock plus + noscript = heaven for browsing
[02:27] <guitarguy> c0vert,  dont forget flashblock
[02:27] <Jordan_U> tawd: Can you pastebin the output of "ls /mnt/boot/"? (where /mnt is the mountpoint for Vista's partition). If there is no /boot directory try looking in any other ntfs partitions you may have. (if there is an ntfs partition you can't mount, that would explain everything).
[02:27] <c0vert> i've found very little use for flashblock with adblock and noscript already installed
[02:28] <gartral> c0vert: theres a noscipt and adblock for chrome too
[02:28] <guitarguy> c0vert,  i use it when i open multiple tab youtube videos, normally they would all start at the same time, this way i control them :D
[02:29] <ChogyDan> gartral: there is noscript for chrome?
[02:29] <c0vert> true
[02:29] <ubnbeta2> I don't trust google enough to use chrome. :p  They already data-mine the hell out of our searches and gmail
[02:29] <iconmefisto> but adblock for chrome still downloads the ads, and hides them
[02:29] <c0vert> last tme i used chrome there were no addons
[02:29] <iconmefisto> ubnbeta2: so use chromium-browser
[02:29] <tawd> Jordan_U, what's the command to find the mountpoint for vista
[02:29] <guitarguy> c0vert, yep, chrome has extensions now
[02:29] <STiK> Anyone here get ubuntu one to actually sync files?
[02:29] <guitarguy> tawd: just use Gparted and see which partitions are ntfs
[02:30] <ubnbeta2> iconmefisto, eh?
[02:30] <ChogyDan> STiK: yeah, by switching to Dropbox  :(
[02:30] <iconmefisto> ubnbeta2: chromium rather than chrome
[02:30] <STiK> lol well I already have that.. I take it ubuntu one sucks?
[02:30] <Jordan_U> tawd: If it's mounted "mount", if not then run "sudo blkid" to list the available partitions then "sudo mount /dev/sdXX /mnt
[02:30] <iconmefisto> !info chromium-browser
[02:31] <droid7> ;o
[02:31] <ubnbeta2> iconmefisto, yeah, but why, it's still based on chrome.
[02:31] <droid7> ?
[02:31] <iconmefisto> ubnbeta2: chrome is based on chromium
[02:31] <ChogyDan> STiK: I think it messes with the modification times, poorly
[02:31] <droid7> chrome == chromium-browser + google stuff
[02:31] <droid7> google stuff == auto updater, brand, icons
[02:31] <iconmefisto> chromium is also noticably faster than chrome
[02:31] <STiK> Oh... well I will just stick to dropbox then
[02:32] <droid7> chromium > chrome :)
[02:32] <guitarguy> ubnbeta2: google is not the only one that data-mines, facebook, myspace, and probably every other social site does the same. I dont really bother about that, i dont use credit cards over internet, and i am not concerned if any average joe reads my mails
[02:32] <tawd> guitarguy, Jordan_U, gparted says that /dev/sda2 is the ntfs where vista should be located
[02:32] <ubnbeta2> well, still too google for my liking, it's got google all over it.
[02:32] <guitarguy> tawd: that means that you got 2 hard drives
[02:32] <ubnbeta2> guitarguy, and I don't use any of those sites. :)
[02:33] <iconmefisto> tawd: that /dev/sda2 seems like it's a windows recovery partition
[02:33] <guitarguy> ubnbeta2: i use firefox for the great RSS support, as RSS Ticker add-on
[02:33] <guitarguy> ubnbeta2, it rocks
[02:33] <tawd> iconmefisto, and that is what boots, but not vista
[02:34] <ubnbeta2> guitarguy, from what I've read, facebook is the worst.  But I don't use any of them, and don't like having google mine what I do so I use scroogle
[02:34] <guitarguy> ubnbeta2, but on ubuntu, chromium just feels right :D
[02:34] <iconmefisto> tawd: you could try putting http://pastebin.org/163506 in /etc/grub.d/40_custom then run sudo update-grub
[02:35] <tawd> iconmefisto, ok, be back
[02:35] <guitarguy> iconmefisto, tawd, i would not recommend that
[02:35] <tawd> guitarguy, ok
[02:35] <tawd> ?
[02:36] <guitarguy> iconmefisto, tawd, instead of windows 7 loader, type in what os probe returned to you
[02:36] <guitarguy> tawd, windows 7 (loader) is for windows 7, you have vista
[02:36] <iconmefisto> guitarguy: the name on the menu doesn't matter at all. you can name it anything
[02:36] <tawd> guitarguy, the title atm is not really an issue just yet
[02:36] <guitarguy> tawd, you could try it, they do use the same loader
[02:37] <guitarguy> iconmefisto, just that i tried renaming and lost it in the grub
[02:38] <iconmefisto> I'm wondering whether os-prober is ignoring the vista partition because it's not clean (needs chkdsk -r). if so, that's not good
[02:38] <tawd> iconmefisto, guitarguy ok, i added that, now what?  reboot?
[02:38] <guitarguy> tawb, have you determined that
[02:38] <guitarguy> tawb, the vista is on the first partition?
[02:38] <iconmefisto> tawd: have you done sudo update-grub?
[02:38] <guitarguy> tawb, or better yet
[02:39] <tawd> iconmefisto, i did
[02:39] <guitarguy> tawd, on which partition is your vista?
[02:39] <iconmefisto> tawd: you should see that in /boot/grub/grub.cfg now
[02:39] <droid7> what does ls /dev show
[02:40] <guitarguy> tawd: is your vista in your first partition?
[02:40] <Jordan_U> tawd: If you pastebinned the output of "ls /mnt/boot" for all your ntfs partitions I missed it (my internet connection is a bit flakey at the moment)
[02:40] <gartral> c0vert: no luck.
[02:41] <c0vert> hmm
[02:41] <c0vert> so i'm 4/5 for people trying that method now lol
[02:41] <tawd> both /dev/sda1/boot and /dev/sda2/boot are not directories
[02:41] <droid7> tawd, what does "ls /dev" list?
[02:42] <ChogyDan> c0vert: have you tried BFS with flash?
[02:42] <c0vert> i don't even know what bfs is?
[02:42] <guitarguy> tawd,  on which partition is your vista?
[02:43] <tawd> droid7, http://pastebin.org/163626
[02:43] <ChogyDan> c0vert: brain fuck scheduler.  It is a patch against the kernel
[02:43] <tawd> guitarguy, it looks like /dev/sda2
[02:43] <IdleOne> ChogyDan: keep the language clean please
[02:44] <droid7> tawd,  is it a SATA driver or an IDE drive ?
[02:44] <Jordan_U> tawd: That's not how you access files. Please pastebin the output of "sudo umount /mnt; sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/ && ls /mnt/boot; sudo umount /mnt && sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/ && ls /mnt/boot"
[02:44] <tawd> droid7, not sure
[02:44] <guitarguy> tawd: then what iconmefisto, pasted to you to put in grub.cfg is wrong, replace the /dev/sda1 with /dev/sda2
[02:44] <ChogyDan> IdleOne: sorry.  Not sure how else to refer to it though
[02:44] <c0vert> ChogyDan, from what i'm reading it's for mobile devices?
[02:44] <droid7> tawd, do a "ls /dev | grep sda"
[02:44] <IdleOne> ChogyDan: with less swearing :)
[02:45] <Jordan_U> droid7: sudo blkid is easier and generally more usefull
[02:45] <c0vert> IdleOne, that's the actual name for it, not entirely his fault
[02:45] <ChogyDan> Brain Foo Scheduler!
[02:45] <PatrickDK> jordan, think this might be my issue, it's very very odd
[02:45] <ZykoticK9> IdleOne, i think ChogyDan should get a pass on this one -- there is a wikipedia entry with the same wording (only time the f word is acceptable here)
[02:45] <PatrickDK> when I installed this using the partitioner in the lucid installer
[02:45] <PatrickDK> it set my root partition at sector 61
[02:46] <guitarguy> tawd, are you reading me?
[02:46] <PatrickDK> instead of 63
[02:46] <tawd> Jordan_U, http://pastebin.org/163633
[02:46] <droid7> Jordan_U, thanks for the tip.
[02:46] <tawd> guitarguy, yeah, just a sec
[02:46] <PatrickDK> totally not 4k sector friendly at all like I have always seen linux do
[02:46] <Jordan_U> droid7: You're welcome.
[02:46] <IdleOne> ChogyDan: ahh well ok I guess
[02:46] <IdleOne> c0vert: ZykoticK9 thank you
[02:46] <guitarguy> tawd,  did you replace /dev/sda1 with dev/sda2 in grub.cfg under the windows 7 loader?
[02:47] <droid7> this isn't a mystery if he knows what order the OS's were installed and the listing of sda{0,9}
[02:47] <guitarguy> tawd, and dont forget update-grub when you save th changes
[02:47] <tawd> droid7, http://pastebin.org/163640
[02:47] <ChogyDan> IdleOne: yeah, I dunno.  I blame Con Kolivas
[02:47] <tawd> guitarguy, yes i did, and ran "sudo update-grub"
[02:48] <psusi> PatrickDK, what do you mean always seen linux do?  old default was sector 63 which is not 4k sector friendly.. in lucid it should now start at exactly 1 mb, sector 2048
[02:48] <guitarguy> tawd, try rebooting now
[02:48] <guitarguy> tawd, fingers crossed
[02:48] <ChogyDan> c0vert: I've been playing with BFS a bit.  I get a bit better performance with flash..
[02:48] <PatrickDK> psusi, sector 63 is 64 sectors in (sectors start at 0)
[02:48] <Jordan_U> tawd: "The disk contains an unclean file system (0, 0)" I think that's your problem. You need to boot into windows and run chkdsk before grub will be able to mount the partition to detect that windows is installed there to let you boot windows...
[02:48] <droid7> tawd,  do you know if windows was installed before linux ? (or first OS to be installed)
[02:48] <PatrickDK> 64 is divisable by 8, 4k friendly
[02:49] <PatrickDK> and mine is starting at 61, so 62 sectors skipped
[02:49] <PatrickDK> I installed from a daily build, 2 days ago
[02:49] <tawd> Jordan_U, but i can't get into windows lol.  droid7, yes windows was installed first, then ubuntu
[02:49] <psusi> PatrickDK, err, sorry, meant sector 62
[02:49] <iconmefisto> Jordan_U: that sucks. if the partition is not clean, it should still detect it, so you can boot windows and fix it.
[02:49] <droid7> tawd, do a "sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt" and then do a "ls /mnt" if it didn't give any errors
[02:49] <PatrickDK> psusi, well, every othre system I have (like 30 of them)( starts at sector 63
[02:50] <psusi> default was off by one for 4k drives, which is why wd made a utility for people to run to fix it on their drives
[02:50] <Jordan_U> iconmefisto: How can it detect that windows is installed there if it can't look at the files?
[02:50] <PatrickDK> psusi, yes, for windows xp, and as wd said, it was fixed for a very long time in linux
[02:50] <guitarguy> droid7,  he can access the partition, view the files, he just cant boot into vista
[02:50] <PatrickDK> and this isn't a 4k drive but still,
[02:51] <tawd> droid7, ls /mnt
[02:51] <tawd> $AVG  BOOT.SDI  SOURCES  System Volume Information  WinREPartition.ini
[02:51] <PatrickDK> 36.7gb drive, 255head, 63 sector, 4462 sylinders
[02:51] <droid7> hmm
[02:51] <psusi> PatrickDK, I don't think so... worked the same on linux for the same reason... old custom was to start on cylinder 1, and the disk says it has 63 sectors per track
[02:51] <PatrickDK> sda2 start 61
[02:51] <droid7> that doesn't look like windows
[02:51] <iconmefisto> Jordan_U: it can, it just doesn't. a conservative policy, to not risk data loss on a foreign filesystem
[02:51] <droid7> unless it's an older version < vista
[02:51] <tawd> droid7, this is vista
[02:52] <PatrickDK> fdisk clearly says, partition 1 does not end on cylinder boundary
[02:52] <droid7> guitarguy, ok, if he knows the partition number than editing grub should be no problem. If it doesn't work then it's something buggy with grub?
[02:52] <tawd> droid7, well, this is ubuntu, but the windows is vista
[02:52] <psusi> PatrickDK, and what created this partition?
[02:52] <Jordan_U> iconmefisto: Grub itself is actually usually fine mounting such a partition, it's linux that is refusing (and thus os-prober is failing to detect windows)
[02:52] <guitarguy> droid7, i think the line where vista should sit in grub got deleted somehow
[02:52] <droid7> tawd, i know, i mean WinREPartition.ini and BOOT.SDI look strange
[02:52] <PatrickDK> psusi, lucid installer
[02:52] <psusi> PatrickDK, fdisk creates them on cylinder boundaries, so it would go with sector 62
[02:53] <droid7> guitarguy, in that case I can give him my windows grub section and he has to replace the partition number
[02:53] <iconmefisto> Jordan_U: right, and I don't think it should do that, since it makes it hard to boot windows and fix the partition
[02:53] <psusi> hrm.... lucid should now be using 1mb alignment like vista....
[02:53] <c0vert> ChogyDan, http://ck.kolivas.org/patches/bfs/supported_features.png i suppose that explains it eh
[02:53] <PatrickDK> psusi, I'm attempting to figure out why booting my system only works 50% of the time
[02:53] <guitarguy> droid7, he already did that, only possible thing here is that tawd made a mistake while pasting it into his grub
[02:53] <PatrickDK> unable to find root fs
[02:53] <guitarguy> tawd, can you paste your grub now?
[02:53] <PatrickDK> seems to work perfect without using uid
[02:53] <PatrickDK> uuid
[02:54] <PatrickDK> all my other systems use uuid
[02:54] <tawd> guitarguy, which part
[02:54] <ChogyDan> c0vert: yeah  I suppose so   :)
[02:54] <psusi> PatrickDK, grub2 should be using uuid
[02:54] <PatrickDK> even this one, before I wiped out jaunty, and put lucid on it
[02:54] <guitarguy> tawd, the whole grub
[02:54] <droid7> tawd, do "sudo vim (or gedit) /boot/grub/grub.cfg" and replace the window section with http://pastebin.org/163660
[02:54] <guitarguy> tawd, let me compare it with mine
[02:54] <droid7> tawd, then save it , reboot, and post results
[02:55] <PatrickDK> hmm, mine is, and only 2 days old install image from the website
[02:55] <iconmefisto> tawd: if you put that stuff in /etc/grub.d/40_custom then it will appear in grub.cfg
[02:55] <droid7> post it in grub.cfg
[02:55] <droid7> forget all custom stuf
[02:56] <tawd> guitarguy, http://pastebin.org/163670
[02:56] <guitarguy> tawd, one sec
[02:56] <PatrickDK> psus, ya, in grub.cfg, linux /vmlinuz-.... root=UUID=.....
[02:56] <Jordan_U> droid7: The grub.cfg is read only by default.
[02:56] <droid7> Jordan_U, ... sudo.
[02:56] <psusi> PatrickDK, what exactly happens when you fail to boot?
[02:56] <Jordan_U> droid7: Gedit will still refuse to write to it, try.
[02:56] <Dr_Willis> any changes made to grub.cfg get lost next time you rerun update-grub
[02:57] <droid7> custom configurations only hurt those who don't know what's going on
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> so youreally DONT want to edit grub.cfg
[02:57] <PatrickDK> psusi, grub starts, kernel starts
[02:57] <droid7> edit vanilla
[02:57] <Dr_Willis> !grub2
[02:57] <PatrickDK> then it lists the drives (without patitions)
[02:57] <Jordan_U> droid7: You can override it with ":w!" in vim but I don't think he's a vim user and it's a bad habit.
[02:57] <PatrickDK> and says, vfs unable to locate root fs
[02:57] <psusi> PatrickDK, that sounds like you didn't load your initrd
[02:58] <PatrickDK> hmm, dunno why
[02:58] <droid7> Jordan_U, if you sudo vim <file>, you are editing it as if you were root
[02:58] <iconmefisto> tawd: it looks good to me. try booting. if windows boots, you should run chkdsk /f
[02:58] <c0vert> ChogyDan, can you just patch or do you have to recompile..or is there an ubuntu repo for it, i think i shall try it
[02:58] <PatrickDK> the boot before it worked perfectly
[02:58] <psusi> PatrickDK, you have any unusual disk config?  raid or anything?
[02:58] <guitarguy> tawd, you here?
[02:58] <ChogyDan> c0vert: yeah, in my ppa
[02:58] <tawd> guitarguy, yes
[02:58] <PatrickDK> and I have /boot on a 500meg partition at start of drive
[02:58] <droid7> tawd, change the (hd0,2) to (hd0,1)
[02:58] <guitarguy> tawd, in your grub.cfg
[02:58] <droid7> ** change the (hd0,2) to (hd0,1)
[02:58] <tawd> droid7, i already have that in my 40_custom
[02:58] <ChogyDan> c0vert: let me know how it goes
[02:59] <iconmefisto> droid7 and guitarguy: he already has that
[02:59] <PatrickDK> psusi, nope, just a normal disk, with a /boot in partition1 and swap and root in logical 5,6
[02:59] <droid7> tawd, as I mentioned, ignore all custome crap
[02:59] <droid7> *custom
[02:59] <guitarguy> tawd, scroll down till you see a menuentry ''Windows Vista"
[02:59] <droid7> always edit the defaults
[02:59] <droid7> grub.cfg is the central config location
[02:59] <tawd> iconmefisto, guitarguy droid7, i will reboot and see what happens
[02:59] <droid7> tawd, good luck
[02:59] <guitarguy> tawd, wait, didnt finish
[02:59] <iconmefisto> droid7: you shouldn't edit it though. that's what the grub.d scripts are for
[03:00] <droid7> iconmefisto, says who?
[03:00] <tawd> guitarguy, if rebooting doesn't work, i'll be back to try more stuff
[03:00] <guitarguy> tawd, you here?
[03:00] <droid7> never rely on custom scripting
[03:00] <guitarguy> tawd, just paste this
[03:00] <guitarguy> instead of this
[03:00] <guitarguy> menuentry "Windows Vista" {
[03:00] <guitarguy> set root=(hd0,2)
[03:00] <guitarguy> chainloader +1
[03:01] <guitarguy> tawd, you should have this
[03:01] <droid7> a developer creates an application with specifics. use them unless you are 100% sure you know what you're doing
[03:01] <iconmefisto> droid7: the grub.cfg file itself says that "DO NOT EDIT THIS FILE"
[03:01] <tawd> i know, you want it to be hd0,1, but it looks like vista is on hd0,2
[03:01] <guitarguy> menuentry "Windows 7 (loader) (on /dev/sda1)" {
[03:01] <guitarguy> 	insmod ntfs
[03:01] <guitarguy> 	set root='(hd0,1)'
[03:01] <guitarguy> 	search --no-floppy --fs-uuid --set 7ce4a360e4a31c00
[03:01] <guitarguy> 	chainloader +1
[03:01] <vininim> !paste
[03:01] <psusi> PatrickDK, weird... because what you describe is what happens when you try to boot the kernel with no initrd... it tries to mount the root fs itself and can't do that without the help of the initrd
[03:01] <droid7> iconmefisto, yes, for the target audience who doesn't know what's going on
[03:01] <vininim> !grub2
[03:02] <crimsun> IdleOne: does Sound Recorder work?
[03:02] <c0vert> ChogyDan, can i pm you, gonna get yelled at if i keep offtopic here
[03:02] <droid7> grub 2 looks at /boot/grub/grub.cfg or menu.lst. STICK TO THOSE
[03:02] <IdleOne> crimsun: let me try
[03:03] <vininim> droid7: grub2 looks at /etc/grub.d
[03:03] <iconmefisto> droid7: grub.cfg is recreated by grub.d scripts
[03:03] <IdleOne> crimsun: yes Sound recorder works perfect
[03:03] <PatrickDK> psusi, so then I have a grub2 issue loading initrd sometimes
[03:03] <PatrickDK> still makes no since why it would work 50% of the time :(
[03:04] <droid7> ugh you guys are over complicating things
[03:04] <Jordan_U> tawd: (hd0,1) is most likely where vistas /boot directory is, and thus where vista's bootloader is.
[03:04] <guitarguy> droid7, tru
[03:04] <vininim> follow official instructions, editing /boot will break with updates
[03:04] <robin0800> droid7: and etc/default/grub
[03:04] <awc> After having removed the "quiet _______" from the kernel in the grub screen, in booting my laptop, i find that it hangs at "Adding 3004112k swap on /dev/sda6 Priority:-1 extents:1 across:3004112k"  Earlier it was suggested that i do a file system check on my drives, and as far as I can tell they came up clean. The next thing suggested was to look at my logs, at which point I had to leave, and we got no further.
[03:04] <ZykoticK9> awc, "quiet splash"
[03:04] <droid7> you're on a beta channel
[03:05] <awc> thats the one
[03:05] <awc> Thats what I am running
[03:05] <awc> 10.04
[03:05] <droid7> you edit things as they are needed
[03:05] <Jordan_U> droid7: You are wrong. Ask in #grub if you don't believe me or just look at the all caps warning at the top of the file not to edit it directly.
[03:05] <ZykoticK9> Jordan_U, +1
[03:05] <vininim> droid7: no, you follow the usual procedures of a stable distro. That's how you test
[03:06] <vininim> if he can't fix by doing the OFFICIAL procedure, he should report a bug
[03:06] <droid7> never mind
[03:06] <guitarguy> Jordan_U, ZykoticK9  if you look at it that way, nothing in ubuntu should be edited directly, thats why the sudo protocol is used
[03:06] <droid7> maybe I am making a bad decision trying to help ubuntu users
[03:06] <vininim> droid7: you are suggesting quick hacks that will break with updates
[03:07] <droid7> vininim, it's not a hack. it's how things are done
[03:07] <tawd> guitarguy, droid7 , iconmefisto, i booted the on that appeared in 40_custom, and it said "BOOTMGR is missing, press ctrl-alt-del to restart"
[03:07] <droid7> just because X configures to Y doesn't mean an edit to Y is wrong
[03:07] <iconmefisto> droid7: helping isn't the problem. it's the specific issue, editing grub.cfg directly
[03:07] <droid7> wow
[03:07] <guitarguy> vininim, and the next grub update comes when?
[03:07] <guitarguy> tawd
[03:07] <droid7> nevermind
[03:08] <guitarguy> tawd, open your grub.cfg
[03:08] <vininim> any update on kerneles
[03:08] <guitarguy> tawd, where it says windows vista
[03:08] <droid7> just because Ubuntu (and all associates) say X is correct, doesn't mean it is
[03:08] <guitarguy> tawd, replace the whole section with this
[03:08] <droid7> grub.cfg is the location where grub looks
[03:08] <droid7> if you edit it correctly it will do it's job
[03:08] <guitarguy> tawd, http://paste.ubuntu.com/419581/
[03:09] <droid7> *its
[03:09] <Jordan_U> droid7: It's not how things are done with grub2, I've submitted patches to those scripts, and am the developer of super grub disk. Trust me, you're wrong. Please stop giving bad advice to users.
[03:09] <droid7> Jordan_U, I find that very hard to believe.
[03:09] <vininim> droid7: this a support channel of Ubuntu Comunity, I think it's inline with Comunity CoC to follow official instructions
[03:09] <droid7> Jordan_U, revision number, and a link to the patch?
[03:09] <vininim> !coc
[03:10] <iconmefisto> droid7: what more do you need to change a belief?
[03:10] <droid7> belief is a disease
[03:10] <PatrickDK> xxny5nycx
[03:10] <awc> cool, once you guys are done trolling eachother care to help out?
[03:10] <PatrickDK> damn kids
[03:10] <droid7> it's the accumulation of action that amounts to anything
[03:11] <tawd> guitarguy, reboot again now?
[03:11] <droid7> awc, state your issue and those who can help, will
[03:11] <guitarguy> tawd, did you update grub?
[03:11] <droid7> (or should ) :p
[03:11] <guitarguy> tawd, if so, reboot
[03:11] <crucialhoax> Where does 10.04 store the recycle bin and devices icons?
[03:11] <tawd> guitarguy, if i update-grub won't it overwrite the change i just made?
[03:12] <robin0800> tawd: yes
[03:12] <guitarguy> tawd, save the file, open terminal, update grub
[03:12] <Jordan_U> droid7: http://lists.gnu.org/archive/html/grub-devel/2009-12/msg00276.html
[03:12] <tawd> guitarguy, hold on, i'm going to add it to 40_custom first
[03:12] <guitarguy> tawd, the update-grub is not for overwriting, it;s meant to put the changes in grub.cfg in use
[03:13] <robin0800> twd
[03:13] <tawd> yes?
[03:13] <crucialhoax> Where does 10.04 store the recycle bin and devices icons? I have all the icons compiled together for a custom set, I just need the recycle bin and devices.
[03:13] <awc> ZykoticK9, you suggested earlier that i look at my logs in /var/log/messages anything in particular that i should look for?
[03:14] <guitarguy> Jordan_U, vininim, iconmefisto, i too have edited the grub.cfg with no problems whatsoever, and like i said, nothing in the ubuntu type of os should be directly edited, that is why they implemented the sudo protocol
[03:14] <tawd> guitarguy, kk, going to reboot now
[03:14] <ZykoticK9> awc, sorry it wasn't me
[03:14] <guitarguy> tawd, k, good luck
[03:14] <awc> ahh ok
[03:15] <droid7> Jordan_U, I stand corrected. Thanks for providing proof
[03:15] <droid7> Jordan_U, was it accepted?
[03:15] <Jordan_U> droid7: Yes.
[03:16] <crimsun> IdleOne: I can't find any record of it affecting other distros; is it only reproducible in 10.04 LTS?
[03:16] <crimsun> IdleOne: I do note several audio-related bugs in their upstream bug tracker, however
[03:17] <IdleOne> crimsun: don't have 9.10 installed to try so I don't know if it affects other versions
[03:17] <iconmefisto> crucialhoax: you're looking for just the icons?
[03:18] <tawd> guitarguy, i still got the same BOOTMGR is missing
[03:18] <tawd> guitarguy, message
[03:18] <crucialhoax> iconmefisto: Yes, I using 2 different sets and making my own, I am missing the trash icons and devices and the path in which they go.
[03:18] <guitarguy> tawd, then, the last thing i got to say is that your boot.ini is corrupted in your windows
[03:18] <gartral> tawd: what kind of computer is this?
[03:18] <droid7> Jordan_U, Just as a note, doing so does not make reason for avoiding grub.cfg
[03:18] <Jordan_U> tawd: Interesting, do you have a windows install CD available?
[03:19] <PatrickDK> psusi I have the errors on screen now (as much as didn't scroll off)
[03:19] <tawd> gartral, this is a toshiba laptop
[03:19] <PatrickDK> RAMDISK: gzip image found at block 0
[03:19] <PatrickDK> list of all partitions:
[03:19] <tawd> Jordan_U, i could ask the owner if she has one when she gets back from a night class
[03:19] <PatrickDK> no filesystem could mount root, tried: ext3 ext2 ext4 fuseblk
[03:19] <guitarguy> tawd, your boot.ini file is corrupted, you need to access it and edit it
[03:19] <gartral> tawd: satilite or what?
[03:19] <tawd> gartral, yes
[03:20] <awc> After having removed the "quiet splash" from the kernel in the grub screen, in booting my laptop, i find that it hangs at "Adding 3004112k swap on /dev/sda6 Priority:-1 extents:1 across:3004112k"  Earlier it was suggested that i do a file system check on my drives, and as far as I can tell they came up clean. The next thing suggested was to look at /var/log/messages, however i have no idea what I am looking for.
[03:20] <Jordan_U> tawd: Did you say that you could boot the recovery partition?
[03:20] <crimsun> IdleOne: given the other reports, I'm inclined to think it's an upstream engine issue. Sorry.
[03:20] <tawd> Jordan_U, yes, that seems to be the only vista thing i can boot
[03:20] <gartral> tawd: modle number
[03:20] <MrDowntempo> What is the best video chat for 2 users of lynx?
[03:21] <Jordan_U> tawd: Can you try running chkdsk from there?
[03:21] <tawd> Jordan_U, if i could get to a dos terminal :(
[03:21] <IdleOne> crimsun: I had this problem bout a month back then it fixed itself and now it's back again. I don't use mumble very often so I don't know exactly at what point in time it got broke. thanks for looking into it though :)
[03:21] <MrDowntempo> google chat thru empathy keeps failing
[03:21] <Jordan_U> tawd: ##windows might be able to help you there.
[03:21] <guitarguy> tawd, you need to edit the boot.ini file in your vista partition
[03:22] <droid7> the windows bootloader is hosed
[03:22] <droid7> you need to run fixmbr
[03:22] <droid7> then reinstall grub
[03:22] <gartral> awc: when skimming logs. you never start off by knowing what your looking for. this is why you skim the logs.
[03:22] <iconmefisto> tawd: do you have a vista disk to repair it?
[03:23] <tawd> gartral, A215-S4747
[03:23] <virtuald> why is medibuntu down?
[03:23] <awc> thanks gartral then any suggestion as to who i can have look at them?
[03:23] <iconmefisto> virtuald: there are mirrors you can use till things are back to normal
[03:23] <tawd> iconmefisto, i don't, but the owner might have one, or i can see if the campus IT would have one
[03:23] <droid7> you need to get a windows disk, go to the command prompt, and run "bootrec /fixmbr", boot up a live cd, and fix grub
[03:23] <virtuald> o.o
[03:24] <iconmefisto> virtuald: http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[03:24] <crucialhoax> Where does 10.04 store the recycle bin and devices icons? I have all the icons compiled together for a custom set, I just need the recycle bin and devices.
[03:24] <iconmefisto> crucialhoax: look in /usr/share/icons
[03:25] <crucialhoax> iconmefisto: Nothing is there. There are only 3 paths that the Ambiance theme uses ubuntu-mono-dark, Humanity-Dark, and gnome, neither of which have the icons.
[03:26] <gartral> awc: yourself. unless you feel like posting potentially hazardous data too a pastebin. go read your logs and look for anything that says error, warning, or panic
[03:26] <awc> ok, thanks
[03:26] <virtuald> iconmefisto: thank you.. no eu mirror apparently
[03:29] <droid7> tawd, ignore these people telling you to edit files left and right. Just because they edit some bash scripts doesn't help the situation. It seems to be that you're bootloader for windows is messed up (grub doesn't officially overwrite it, just points to it). You'll need to get a windows disk to repair the bootloader (it will overwrite grub), then you'll need to boot up a live cd (or reinstall) and fix grub (which you can do by googling  "
[03:29] <droid7> reinstall grub" or similar)
[03:29] <crucialhoax> Got the trash icon. /usr/share/icons/Humanity/places
[03:30] <tawd> droid7, ok, i will see what my campus IT can do, they are generally decent with windows, but don't know much about linux.  together we probably could get this working normally again, thanks!
[03:31] <carbm1> Curious... has there been much discussion on how much more memory Lucid Lynx uses? My P4 3.0, 512MB RAM Laptop ran Karmic like a dream. I upgraded, yes I know its still not stable, and now it takes longer to boot and starts at 88% memory full.
[03:31] <droid7> tawd, it's rather tragic that this has gone to where it has. It's a rather simple fix (assuming you're windows install isn't corrupt). Either way, the best of luck.
[03:31] <guitarguy> tawb, so sorry dude that no solution was found
[03:32] <awc> pulseaudio[1545]: sink-input.c: Failed to create sink input: too many inputs per sink. <-- so far thats all i see in my messages
[03:32] <guitarguy> tawb, sure hope you find a way to fix this, without going full throttle (reinstall)
[03:32] <tawd> droid7, yeah, she can mount all the files from ubuntu, just can't boot it
[03:32] <voss749> carb, how much memory do you have installed?
[03:33] <tawd> guitarguy, it'll be ok
[03:33] <carbm1> tawd, I stepped in late... I fix a lot of issues like that... but I didn't see your original question.
[03:33] <droid7> tawd, yes, which is indicating that the windows boot loader is corrupt
[03:33] <tawd> carbm1, lol  because we've been going at this for 2 hours
[03:33] <carbm1> voss749, 512MB. 498 usuable.
[03:34] <voss749> carb, Id check for processes you dont need.
[03:34] <awc> brb, just thought of something to try
[03:34] <droid7> you need a windows install disk (vista/win7) and an ubuntu live cd ( to keep with their configurations )
[03:34] <tawd> droid7, yep, i'll do that sometime later this week or maybe next week, this week is full of biochem
[03:35] <carbm1> voss749, I've looked through System Monitor but there isn't a single item using a large amount... its 1 or 2MB here or there.
[03:35] <voss749> Also carb, the release candidate is coming out thursday, try updating on thursday and see how it goes
[03:35] <guitarguy> droid7, tawb, peace out ppl
[03:35] <droid7> guitarguy, cya
[03:35] <guitarguy> droid7, tawb, and take care
[03:35] <tawd> ok, thanks everyone!  good luck and see you guys later
[03:36] <droid7> tawd, do it when you'd like. I'm just trying to filter out the "do it the ubuntu way" from doing it "the way it's supposed to work" way. No hard feelings :)
[03:36] <carbm1> voss749, anxiously awaiting! .. I'll wait til then to complain. :-)
[03:38] <voss749> carb,  which beta are you running?
[03:38] <venger> with netboot - task "Large selection of font packages" seems to cause Select and Install software to fail
[03:40] <mininessie> hi
[03:40] <droid7> hello
[03:44] <d34dh4ck> anyone else use snes9x-gtk?
[03:45] <myk_robinson> !bug#557635
[03:45] <myk_robinson> !bug #557635
[03:46] <myk_robinson> any of you guys have the problem listed in bug #557635? Please add your comments to the bug report so we can get this resolved.
[03:46] <PatrickDK> psusi, think I found my issue, going test
[03:46] <gartral> d34dh4ck: yo, pm ok?
[03:47] <PatrickDK> bad harddrive (board)
[03:49] <PatrickDK> or better yet, bent pins on the scsi cable (now that I was going replace it just to be sure)
[03:50] <voss749> You know somethings off when you toss a pill in your mouth and miss. :) hehe
[03:52] <carbm1> voss749,  I upgraded last night and its barely usable.
[03:57] <awc> i remembered that I had to change my hard drives to run in compatibility mode for a windows install some days ago, I hust changed it back to AHCI(?) anyways it made no difference, booting still lags at the same point even after letting it sit for some 5 minutes just to make sure it wasn't me
[03:57] <awc> just*
[04:02] <awc> That is, its still hanging at Adding xxx k swap on /dev/sda6 Priority:-1 extents:1 across: xxx k
[04:08] <awc> Anyone?
[04:19] <awc> When I boot up my laptop it hangs at "Adding 3004112k swap on /dev/sda6 Priority:-1 extents:1 across:3004112k Any suggestions?
[04:19] <venger> short of extracting module-init-tools, how can i get blacklist.conf to be recopied? i tried apt-get install --reinstall module-init-tools but it did not readd blacklist.conf to  /etc/modprobe.d/
[04:20] <venger> awc, consider booting a live cd and reruning mkswap or commenting it out until you can boot
[04:21] <awc> mkswap?
[04:21] <awc> I'm on a live cd right now
[04:21] <venger> so the livecd hangs?
[04:21] <awc> the live cd is fine
[04:21] <awc> its booting off the hard disk that hangs
[04:22] <venger> then mkswap /dev/sda6 or mount your root and comment it out
[04:22] <awc> (live cd is of 9.04, but I'm running 10.04)
[04:22] <venger> *if* you are sure sda6 should be swap
[04:23] <venger> fdisk -l /dev/sda may shed some light showing partition type of swap
[04:24] <awc> Cannot open /dev/sda <-- the error i get after fdisk -l /dev/sda
[04:24] <venger> dmesg | grep sd (use pastebin)
[04:24] <awc> pastebin?
[04:25] <awc> i'm a bit of a n00b at these things
[04:25] <venger> yeah, well google can fill in the gaps
[04:25] <awc> ahh, true
[04:25] <awc> one sec
[04:28] <awc> http://pastebin.com/ypc6KTq8
[04:29] <venger> try sudo fdisk -l /dev/sda
[04:29]  * awc facepalms
[04:30] <awc> sda6 is infact my swap partition
[04:31] <venger> ok so you are realizing you were booting to wrong partition?
[04:31] <awc> erm no
[04:31] <lucas-arg> im trying kernel 2.6.34rc5 am i crazy or my video card works better on this than in 2.6.32?
[04:32] <venger> awc, then paste your output
[04:32] <venger> lucas-arg, nouveau?
[04:32] <lucas-arg> venger: intel gma x3100
[04:33] <awc> http://pastebin.com/E1c0RHzi
[04:33] <lucas-arg> the only thing is that in docky the lockscreen button tells me to restart the system so im not sure what keeps updating or something...
[04:35] <venger> awc, err it looks like you have sda2 and sda5 overlapping
[04:35] <awc> venger, that ^^ is what yoiu were looking for right?
[04:35] <awc> hmm
[04:36] <gunksta> anyone know how to change the GDM theme in lucid? Evidently someone decided the theme management tool was too complex for gdmsetup.
[04:36] <lucas-arg> screen resolution its better on 2.6.34 too... im amazed
[04:36] <awc> venger, how can i change/ fix that?
[04:38] <lucas-arg> the only thing i hate is flash... man its cpu braking
[04:40] <gartral> UMM i cant access my cdroms
[04:41] <mxe5> Hi - I get this error when I try to do updates - http://imagebin.org/93807 - Any idea's how to fix this ? ?
[04:41] <gartral> bash: cd: /media/cdrom: Permission denied
[04:42] <genii> mxe5: medibuntu is currently offline
[04:42] <mxe5> genii, Do I need to do anything then - or just ride it out till it's back online ?
[04:43] <lucas-arg> gunksta: gdm2setup its in launchpad
[04:43] <venger> awc, you don't know how the /dev/sda2 was created?
[04:43] <genii> mxe5: Basically it's a waiting game at this point
[04:43] <awc> i suspect that it is a leftover from the switch from ext3 to ext4
[04:44] <awc> however i have no idea how or when it happened
[04:45] <awc> I remember looking at the hard disk utility and noticing the overlap some weeks ago, but i paid no real attention to it
[04:47] <venger> awc, can you mount your root from live sd?
[04:47] <venger>  /sd/cd
[04:47] <awc> i believe so
[04:47] <venger> awc, do it so you know its in tact
[04:47] <mxe5> genii, Is it being updated - Not sure what's going to happen with it - or ? ? Correct me if I'm wrong but is Medibuntu the repository for restricted codecs etc. ?
[04:47] <gunksta> lucas-arg, thanks.  The ongoing de-evolution of some Gnome apps never ceases to amaze me.
[04:48] <gartral> bash: cd: /media/cdrom: Permission denied
[04:48] <gartral> UMM i cant access my cdroms
[04:48] <venger> awc, then next, do a swapon /dev/sda6
[04:49] <genii> mxe5: Since it's not an officially supported repository, hard to know what the exact issue is or when it will be resolved. The packages usually found there are for playing DVDs
[04:49] <mazda01> gunksta, all i did was install xdm and upon doing that it asked me which display manager i wanted, xdm or gdm. that's all
[04:49] <awc> venger, i can find it via the gdm, but i'm quite at a loss as to how to reach it via the terminal
[04:49] <venger> awc, sudo mkdir /mnt/a && sudo mount /dev/sda5 /a
[04:49] <mxe5> genii, ah - ok - got it - so not a big deal right now.
[04:50] <awc> mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/a': File exists
[04:50] <lucas-arg> gunksta: its a matter of new apps development... ubuntu might put gdm2setup by default some day
[04:50] <venger> awc, then do the second
[04:51] <awc> mount: mount point /a does not exist
[04:51] <venger> my bad; /mnt/a
[04:52] <awc> mount: can't find /dev/sda5/a in /etc/fstab or /etc/mtab
[04:52] <venger> awc, err type mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/a  ......
[04:53] <gunksta> Is there a way to change this via the command-line?
[04:53] <awc> and now back to mkdir: cannot create directory `/mnt/a': File exists
[04:54] <venger> awc, i'm not sure what all your doing.  did the command we were discussing mount root or not
[04:54]  * genii ponders /dev/sda5/a
[04:54] <awc> the mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/a ?
[04:54] <awc> as far as i know yes
[04:54] <venger> ok so ls /mnt/a shows your root filesystem?
[04:55] <awc> yes
[04:56] <venger> awc, ok now type this:  umount /mnt/a
[04:56] <awc> done
[04:56] <venger> awc, then, swapon /dev/sda6
[04:56] <awc> swapon: /dev/sda6: Device or resource busy
[04:57] <c0vert> umount first
[04:57] <venger> paste swapon -s
[04:58] <awc> /dev/sda6                               partition	3004112	0	-1
[04:58] <venger> ok so the livecd has no problems with your root and swap
[04:58] <awc> was the command "paste swapon -s" or "swapon -s"
[04:58] <awc> ?
[04:59] <venger> awc, use this whole string: mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/a && cat /mnt/a/fstab
[04:59] <venger> awc, then pastebin the output
[04:59] <awc> cat: /mnt/a/fstab: No such file or directory
[05:00] <venger> cat /mnt/a/etc/fstab
[05:00] <venger> i know what i want to type yet it doesn't always translate :)
[05:00] <awc> http://pastebin.com/Xts2cBTK
[05:01] <awc> ahh
[05:01] <venger> awc, paste output for: blkid
[05:02] <venger> brb
[05:02] <awc> venger, http://pastebin.com/02GAamv9
[05:06] <bullgard4> My Chatzilla version in SeaMonkey is 0.9.75.1. My Chatzilla version in Firefox is 0.9.86. How can I obtain this newest Chatzilla version in SeaMonkey?
[05:08] <Gryllida> it's the latest one for linux, what's up?
[05:08] <Gryllida> put the whole problem here
[05:10] <venger> awc, i dont see a problem other than the overlap in your parititions
[05:11] <awc> hmm ok
[05:11] <awc> you mentioned something earlier about booting to sda6 which should not have been happening
[05:11] <awc> ?
[05:11] <bullgard4> [Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 for SeaMonkey] Apparently all channel logging is written in one file named /home/<username>/tmp/chatzilla/logs/$(network)/channels/$(channel).2010-04-20.log. In this file the channel names which I subscribed to are not logged. The names '$(network)' and '$channel' are not resolved. How to fix this?
[05:11] <venger> no that was me getting a handle on your view of the problem
[05:12] <awc> ahh ok
[05:12] <venger> i'm the guy on the other end, i only see what you show me
[05:12] <awc> yes, i know the feeling
[05:13] <awc> well, I'll give it a boot, and if it doesn't work then i'll be back sometime tomorrow, I've got to sleep at some point :D
[05:13] <venger> awc, its up to you to know whether you need that extended partition
[05:13] <awc> anyways, thanks for the help
[05:13] <awc> as far as i know i don't
[05:14] <awc> but i'd rather wait i think
[05:14] <venger> awc, seeing as root works and swap works and the overlap encompasses both of them i'd say its better off not there
[05:14] <awc> right
[05:14] <awc> i'm not quite sure how it works, so correct me if I'm wrong
[05:15] <awc> but could some file be saved only on one partition and not the other?
[05:15] <venger> clarify what you are asking
[05:16] <awc> ie if i remove the one partition will some of my files get deleted?
[05:18] <venger> awc, as long as a correct representation of your partition boundaries remains, it shouldn't be an issue
[05:18] <awc> ok, thats what i thought, but i just wanted to make sure
[05:18] <awc> so how do i get rid of the one partition then?
[05:20] <venger> awc, in your case perhaps gparted
[05:21] <venger> well if it doesn't confuse itself
[05:22] <awc> hmm
[05:22] <venger> you'd use fdisk, are you really familiar with it
[05:23] <awc> well gparted has it as a tree
[05:23] <venger> awc just try your boot again
[05:23] <awc> will do
[05:23] <awc> brb
[05:24] <bullgard4> [Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 for SeaMonkey] Apparently all channel logging is written in one file named /home/<username>/tmp/chatzilla/logs/$(network)/channels/$(channel).2010-04-20.log. In this file the channel names which I subscribed to are not logged. The names '$(network)' and '$channel' are not resolved. How to fix this?
[05:26] <thebishop> how can i manually set backlight brightness in Lucid?
[05:28] <kklimonda> you can check if you have /sys/devices/virtual/backlight/acpi_video0/
[05:29] <kklimonda> if so there should be a brightness file you can use
[05:30] <g0r3_0f_g0d> hi all
[05:31] <Gryllida> hi ask the question straight away
[05:33] <g0r3_0f_g0d> yeah , gwibber is crashing on me all the time , you guys exeperience similar issue?
[05:33] <DanaG> /sys/class/backlight is a more preferred path.
[05:34] <awc> no change I'm afraid
[05:34] <g0r3_0f_g0d> i did apt-get update , apt-get dist upgrade to get more updated package but still gwibber lives for like 5 seconds and dies , no core file nothing just notification window
[05:35] <g0r3_0f_g0d> just wondering if it's for all of you as well or just my config
[05:35] <venger> awc did i hang on swap again?
[05:35] <awc> yep
[05:35] <venger> awc, mount your root and comment it out for now
[05:36] <iconmefisto> g0r3_0f_g0d: you could try to apt-get purge it (to remove its settings) and then install it again
[05:36] <awc> ok, how do i do that?
[05:36] <g0r3_0f_g0d> purge , ok
[05:36] <g0r3_0f_g0d> so upgrading keeps the settings , ah of course
[05:36] <venger> awc, mount /dev/sda5 /mnt/a  then use nautilus to navigate to /mnt/a/etc/fstab and find the swap line, comment it out and save
[05:37] <g0r3_0f_g0d> thx
[05:37] <venger> awc, or see if your root is already shown in nautilus
[05:37] <iconmefisto> g0r3_0f_g0d: apt-get remove also keeps the settings. purge removes it, and deletes any settings
[05:37] <g0r3_0f_g0d> right , cool , good to know thx
[05:40] <awc> comment using # like python right?
[05:40] <venger> awc, yes there are already other comments in the file
[05:41] <awc> it won't let me save the changes
[05:42] <awc> states that i don't have permissions nessecary
[05:42] <venger> awc, you are user
[05:42] <awc> yep
[05:42] <venger> awc, sudo gedit
[05:42] <bazhang> gksudo gedit venger awc
[05:44] <awc> thanks
[05:44] <awc> brb
[05:44] <venger> not sure why you need gksudo if you are doing it from terminal :)
[05:44] <bazhang> its a graphical app
[05:45] <bazhang> !gksudo
[05:47] <venger> your link doesn't indicate all or nothing, the concern you have lies with an app like firefox running as root, not an editor and it isn't being called from a launcher
[05:51] <iconmefisto> venger: so you're arguing there should be a list of exceptions?
[05:51] <Jordan_U> venger: Any type of GUI app can cause ICEauthority problems if run with sudo instead of gksudo, it just happens that gedit doesn't.
[05:52] <venger> while i agree gksudo has its uses, making sudo gedit from terminal a non viable isn't one of them :)
[05:53] <awc> well, we've made changes for the better or worse I'm not too sure
[05:53] <awc> instead of hanging at that adding swap stuff
[05:53] <awc> it now says "Done." in the exact same place
[05:53] <venger> awc, it just means swap wasn't the hang
[05:54] <awc> ok
[05:54] <awc> so should i edit that file back to the way it was?
[05:54] <iconmefisto> imo, sudoedit /some/file is the way to go. it won't cause any problems, it's quick, and works no matter what DE you use
[05:55] <venger> iconmefisto, i didn't really mean to be argumentative, i spend most of my time in cmdline and use vi the most so i don't always know proper ubuntian
[05:55] <theadmin> No release delay assumed so far?
[05:56] <iconmefisto> venger: sure, understood
[05:57] <bullgard4> [Chatzilla 0.9.75.1 for SeaMonkey] Apparently all channel logging is written in one file named /home/<username>/tmp/chatzilla/logs/$(network)/channels/$(channel).2010-04-20.log. In this file the channel names which I subscribed to are not logged. The names '$(network)' and '$channel' are not resolved. How to fix this?
[05:58] <venger> awc, need some way of seeing your boot message output
[05:59] <awc> hmm
[05:59] <awc> you mean what it says before it hangs?
[05:59] <venger> awc, i assume your power off at that point so you may be able to pull /var/log/syslog from livecd
[06:00] <venger>  /your/you
[06:01] <awc> want me to paste bin it?
[06:01] <venger> you took your roots log not livecd's log right
[06:01] <venger> yea pastebin it
[06:03] <awc> http://pastebin.com/RigfxqC3
[06:05] <Zelozelos> i totally messed up, i accidently deleted my usr/share/applications folder :(( what do i do now?
[06:06] <Zelozelos> sofar ive managed to get to synaptic and reinstalled gnomi-everything i could, and nautilus
[06:07] <Jordan_U> Zelozelos: dpkg -S /usr/share/applications/
[06:08] <Jordan_U> Zelozelos: That will tell you all of the packages that you need to re-install
[06:08] <awc> venger, line 204, might that be it?
[06:08] <Zelozelos> omg what a list rofl
[06:09] <Zelozelos> thank you Jordan_U
[06:10] <Zelozelos> i ws trying to mark everything for reinstallation but that was a daunting task, i ws making a lis of the stuff that would show an error then leaving them out
[06:12] <LSD|Ninja> Anyone having an issue with the display going to sleep and not waking up again?
[06:14] <venger> awc, i'm not sure, have your tried disabling splash?
[06:14] <awc> i think thats what i've been doing
[06:14] <venger> awc, or boot single user?
[06:15] <awc> I hit the "e" key as i enter the grub
[06:15] <awc> and remove the line quiet splash
[06:15] <awc> what do you mean boot single user?
[06:15] <ubnbeta2> is 10.04 using plymouth by default?
[06:15] <genii> ubnbeta2: Yes
[06:15] <venger> awc your grub isn't generating recovery menu items?
[06:16] <ubnbeta2> genii, cool, so I just need to install solar theme then. :)
[06:16] <awc> yes it does
[06:16] <venger> ok so have you tried one of those
[06:16] <awc> lol, nope
[06:17] <awc> well, thats next i suppose
[06:17] <awc> brb then
[06:19] <Ken8521> is there any difference between sudo update-grub and sudo update-grub2 ?  they both seem to do thesame thing.
[06:20] <ubnbeta2> doh, just read there is problems with nvidia binary drivers. :( http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2009/12/lucid-to-use-plymouth-non-intel-users.html
[06:20] <kklimonda> Ken8521: update-grub2 just calls update-grub
[06:21] <jaldhar> Hello.  I thought the problem with boot hanging was fixed?  I just upgraded from jaunty to lucid and I am having this problem (unfortunately on my root partition.)  Oddly enough it doesn't happen if I boot into the 2.6.31-18 I luckily had laying around
[06:21] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: there is no problem per se - it's just you get either shiny boot or working 3d
[06:21] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, um yeah, non-working 3d is a problem
[06:22] <Ken8521> kklimonda, ok, i thought so, just wasn't sure
[06:22] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, can't use the open source driver for boot only?
[06:22] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: no
[06:23] <gartral> is there a way to quickly reconfigure flash-installer? or re run it?
[06:24] <venger> gartral, i'd probably do apt-get install --reinstall flash-installer
[06:24] <venger> hard to say what's proper ;)
[06:25] <LSD|Ninja> Speaking of, any particular reason why Lucid is still persisting with the retarded "32-bit in a 64-bit wrapper" method for Flash, other than the immediately obvious (deliberate sabotage)?
[06:25] <venger> or dpkg-reconfigure if that is what you need
[06:25] <gartral> nspluginwrapper: no appropriate viewer found for /usr/lib/flashplugin-installer/libflashplayer.so <.< HUH?
[06:25] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: there has been no stable 64bit flash release yet nor is it supported by adobenor supported by adobe
[06:27] <SandGorgon> all ye who have kubuntu 10.04 - please install kdebase-workspace-dbg  and generate better crash reports... please
[06:27] <awc> no change
[06:28] <awc> its back to the Adding xxx k swap on/dev/sda6
[06:28] <awc> etcetera
[06:29] <LSD|Ninja> kklimonda: Yeah, but the supposedly unstable and unsupported 64-bit Flash they have now is infinitely more reliable than what being supplied. At the very least it would be nice to not have the existing Flash package not dependent on half the desktop packages so as to provide the end user the choice
[06:29] <ubnbeta2> dang, what's up with a 17GB swap!?
[06:30] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: I don't really get what you mean by "not have the existing flash package.."
[06:30] <rww> !flash64
[06:30] <rww> It's not like these instructions are horribly difficult and need a package.
[06:31] <LSD|Ninja> kklimonda: I mean that if I try to remove the flash package that installs as part of *-restricted-extras packages, it wants to remove a whole bunch of other stuff as well
[06:31] <gartral> SandGorgon: anyway to install kde and kubuntu base stuff without changing the boot/logon theme?
[06:32] <iconmefisto> gartral: when you install kubuntu-desktop, you should be asked if you want to use kdm or gdm (when kdm is installing)
[06:32] <LSD|Ninja> but anyway, flash isn't what I really need help dealing with. I'm more interested in why display power management seems to have regressed 10 years.
[06:32] <iconmefisto> gartral: so you would choose gdm
[06:32] <gartral> iconmefisto: will it still change the boot logo like it did in karmic?
[06:32] <rww> LSD|Ninja: flashplugin-whatever is a recommend of the restricted-extras packages, not a depend. removing it should not force the removal of other *-restricted-extras stuff in a sane package manager.
[06:33] <SandGorgon> gartral, I think so - plymouth themes will be updated. but I guess you can change it back
[06:33] <iconmefisto> gartral: not sure, since plymouth does the bootsplash now. but if it changes, you can change it back
[06:33] <gartral> how
[06:33] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: probably something between new X, new drivers and KMS? you would have more luck asking at #ubuntu-x (but most Ubuntu-X folks are already/yet asleep)
[06:34] <awc> well, thanks for all the help guys, but I really ought to get some sleep
[06:34] <iconmefisto> gartral: sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth (I think that's right. someone correct me if not)
[06:34] <awc> I'll be by tomorrow, you can be sure of it :P
[06:34] <ubnbeta2> why did the installer make a 17GB swap?
[06:34] <gartral> what's the difference between kubuntu-desktop and kubuntu-kde4-desktop, other than the obvious kde3/4 thing?
[06:35] <iconmefisto> !info kubuntu-kde4-desktop
[06:36] <iconmefisto> hmm. didn't think it existed
[06:38] <SandGorgon> !info kubuntu-desktop
[06:38] <rww> gartral: I believe Hardy used KDE3 by default. Thus, kubuntu-kde4-desktop was made to provide KDE4 for Hardy users. Since later versions of Ubuntu used KDE4 in kubuntu-desktop, kubuntu-kde4-desktop was changed into a virtual package provided by kubuntu-desktop to transition people.
[06:38] <SandGorgon> !info kubuntu-desktop | iconmefisto
[06:39] <Ken8521> has kde gotten any better?
[06:39] <rww> Ken8521: since when?
[06:39] <iconmefisto> Ken8521: absolutely
[06:39] <Ken8521> oh.. 6.06?...lol
[06:39] <rww> Ken8521: very much so
[06:39] <Ken8521> i tried it for about 2hrs w/ 9.10.. and i thought it seriously sucked
[06:39] <iconmefisto> even from 4.3 to 4.4 is a great improvement
[06:39] <rww> 10.04's KDE version is less buggy than 9.10's.
[06:40] <gartral> lol
[06:40] <Ken8521> well, not just that, it seems so much slower
[06:40] <iconmefisto> Ken8521: slower than gnome, you mean?
[06:41] <Ken8521> yes.
[06:41] <LSD|Ninja> One last thing that's bothering me: How do you get the address bar (as in the one you can actually type into) back in Nautilus without pressing Ctrl+L? You used to be able to click somewhere in the bar and it would switch, but has that been removed? Not that big a deal, but I'd just like to know what the score is.
[06:41] <Ken8521> LSD|Ninja, that has been annoying me as well.
[06:41] <gartral> iconmefisto: i think he was making a 4.3/4.4 reference
[06:41] <bp0> LSD|Ninja, agree that is annoying
[06:42] <iconmefisto> gartral: sounds like he meant kde vs gnome
[06:42] <Ken8521> gartral, well, i've always found KDE slower than Gnome... Kde3 being no exception.. but kde4 considerably worse
[06:42] <iconmefisto> Ken8521: I foud kde4 much faster than kde3!
[06:43] <Ken8521> hmm, i'm gonna reinstall on my laptop tomorrow anyway, whats the command to install the full kde desktop?
[06:43] <LSD|Ninja> It probably wouldn't bother me is Nautilus' handling of network shares wasn't so godawful, but since it is I'm always having to manually type certain things when I'm dealing with network shares and it's bugging me it's not as convenient as it used to be
[06:43] <gartral> i like gnome-shell, save for two showstoppers >.>
[06:43] <iconmefisto> Ken8521: sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop
[06:43] <Ken8521> ok.
[06:44] <gartral> Ken8521: part of it sould be your graphics card
[06:44] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: the button was removed - you can edit gconf settings and set the address bar as a default option
[06:45] <gartral> iconmefisto: what graphics card do you have?
[06:45] <iconmefisto> gartral: ati on both desktop and laptop
[06:45] <Amnesian> To show the address bar in Nautilus type "/" (forward slash)
[06:46] <gartral> iconmefisto: OUCH theres a problem
[06:46] <iconmefisto> gartral: hasn't been a problem for me for a long time (radeon drivers, not fglrx)
[06:47] <gartral> iconmefisto: ahh, i like my gtx 275 :)
[06:47] <Ken8521> gartral, my graphics card is iintel, but i thought it sucked just as bad w/ my 512mb nvidia.
[06:49] <gartral> Ken8521: some nvidia cards just suck. the nv200 chipset is a beast, and it's portion of the drivers are playing nice with lucid SO far
[06:50] <LSD|Ninja> G200 could have been better, nVidia (or anyone else, for that matter) just didn't expect ATi to bounce back so quickly after the mess that was the 2000-series.
[06:51] <Ken8521> gartral, my card is a 7900... know its not the greatest, nor is it the worst, i've played plenty of Linux FPS's with it w/o any issue at all.
[06:55] <gartral> LSD|Ninja: ATI cards overheat. like a bitch on dog's day in summer. GTX 2x5s run cooler. though i did have to change the fan array.
[06:55] <bp0> kklimonda, re button removal: that sucks.
[06:58] <Ken8521> bp0, button removal?
[06:58] <Ken8521> oh nevermind.. i see
[07:00] <bp0> ive installed the realtek r8168 nic driver, and k10temp, and they are listed in the hardware drivers list with the nvidia driver...
[07:00] <LSD|Ninja> gartral: The original 65nm G200s didn't run particularly cool, either as I recall. What I was getting at though was the G200 was complex, difficult to produce and not really the all-conquering speed demon it could/should have been. nVidia's strategy though was that to keep it in the high end where they could price it accordingly and simply rename the G80/G92s in the low/midrange. It would have worked if ATi hadn't released the 4000-seri
[07:00] <bp0> what happens if i choose deactivate
[07:00] <LSD|Ninja> Hmm... whered did that cut oiff?
[07:00] <bp0> on one of those i built instead of installed with the tool
[07:00] <DanaG> And NV releases drivers that can kill hardware.... the fact that that's even POSSIBLE means THEY'RE DOING IT WRONG.
[07:01] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: "It would have worked if ATi hadn't"
[07:02] <LSD|Ninja> "It would have worked if ATi hadn't released the 4000-series leaving them holding the bag with one architecture that was a generation out of date and another they were barely able to produce. They forced the G200 into 55nm production far too early which only made it worse." is how it should end
[07:02] <gartral> LSD|Ninja: 200 char freenode limit, yea
[07:03] <ubnbeta2> irc wasn't designed to have people type out paragraphs, only one line at a time.  But channel "rules" want you to do it that way.
[07:04] <LSD|Ninja> Funny thing is, the success of the 4000-series, it's flow-on into the 5000-series and nVidia still not fully having it's stuff together is the only thing really keeping AMD afloat right now.
[07:05] <ubnbeta2> please don't start a fanboi war
[07:06] <hypatia> we didn't start the fanwar, it was always turning but the tweets keep burning
[07:11] <LSD|Ninja> Buying ATi put AMD something like $5-6 billion in debt that they were only able to pay around half of by sselling their fabs. Not only that, but with having to keep pace with Intels price cuts being their only real weapon against Core 2 and without the stabilising effect of profits from ATi, their losses would have been far greater than they were. They'd have been forced into bankruptcy.
[07:11] <bazhang> please keep it on topic here; #ubuntu-offtopic for chat
[07:16] <hypatia> bazhang: sorry, was just feeling inspired :)
[07:41] <wcgary83> does anybody know of a quality apparmor profile for transmission on Lucid? is it safe to run the 9.10 profile?(I doubt it...)
[07:45] <kklimonda> there is an apparmor profile for transmission? :)
[07:46] <kklimonda> wcgary83: just try it in the complain mode and see what happens
[07:46] <wcgary83> I use the profiles on bodhi zazen's webpage, they work great! no transmission profile yet...
[07:49] <kklimonda> ah, it confines transmission to Downloads.. that's.. ugly
[07:49] <vega> hmm, trying to make a 1:1 copy of a cd, but brasero exits with an "error", then ask to save log file but the log is empty
[07:49] <kklimonda> I mean what about people who use language other than English :)
[07:49] <vega> how do i make a 1:1 image on the command line?
[07:50] <kklimonda> I guess that's the shortcoming of apparmor
[07:51] <wcgary83> that is true... but it works, I can't complain.  I'm not running torrents constantly anyways-
[07:51] <kklimonda> wcgary83: you should just try the 9.10 profile and see how it works
[07:52] <wcgary83> I'm gonna experiment with it for a little, probably gonna enforce it and play around...
[08:00] <wcgary83> it's so overwhelming all these profiles, it's like what would happen if I just enforced all of them!
[08:01] <Ken8521> i'd suspect a tear in the space-time continuum
[08:01] <Ken8521> sorry... watching back to the future
[08:01] <wcgary83> lol
[08:03] <Ken8521> hey Jordan_U do you know anything about getting grub to boot a USB device?
[08:03] <Ken8521> grub2, that is
[08:10] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: With a BIOS that supports booting from USB or with one that doesn't?
[08:10] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, one that doesn't
[08:10] <Ken8521> i've read on some threads on Ubuntu forums, you can set grub up to search a USB drive and boot it, so you can use it as a "Live USB"... ike you would on a machine that will boot usb
[08:11] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: The usb code in grub2 isn't very mature right now so it's just as likely to succeed as to fail (but the worst that can happen is grub freezes). To use grub's usb support "insmod ohci; insmod uhci; insmod usbms"
[08:12] <Ken8521> hmm
[08:13] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[08:14] <DanaG> my bios supports sdhc-card boot, interestingly enough.
[08:16] <Jordan_U> DanaG: I have Ubuntu installed to an sd card, it's so odd to see that tiny thing and know it has a full bootable Ubuntu install on it.
[08:16] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, i tried VMC's suggestions in this thread... didn't work... does it look right?  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1457476
[08:17] <Jordan_U> DanaG: My cat could accidentally eat my Ubuntu!
[08:17] <DanaG> oh, and with SDXC (hope we can get Linux support), it'll support huge cards.
[08:17] <Ken8521> i got a similar message to the poster in that thread, that i needed to load the kernel
[08:17] <DanaG> google for sdxc
[08:18] <ActionParsnip> Danag: or any other search engine
[08:19] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: That post only covers loop booting from an iso, he mentions that grub has usb support but his menu entry just covers iso booting.
[08:19] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, yeah, thats all i wanted to do... boot an ISO, so i could use it to install to a hard drive
[08:20] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: From a drive that's supported by your BIOS?
[08:20] <Ken8521> the bios on my pc does not support usb booting
[08:21] <ActionParsnip> Ken8521: there are floppy images you can use which you can boot to to then boot usb/cd/whattever
[08:21] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: Then add to that menu entry "insmod ohci; insmod uhci; insmod usbms; set root=(usb0,1)"
[08:21] <Ken8521> i was under the impression, that even if a BIOS didn't support USB booting, Grub2 could handle it.
[08:21] <ActionParsnip> Ken8521: grub2 will :)
[08:21] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, ok.. and should i just add that to the end?
[08:21] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: Yes, it just take a little extra.
[08:22] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: To the beginning (within the menu entry, so on the line after the "{")
[08:23] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: And don't be surprised if your computer just freezes when you select the menu entry :)
[08:23] <Ken8521> lol
[08:23] <Ken8521> ok
[08:24] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, so using that post as an example... it would look like this  http://paste.ubuntu.com/419694/
[08:25] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: Yes, but put it on a new line (so starting at line 2). As it is it should work but looks really ugly :)
[08:25] <Ken8521> ok.
[08:25] <Ken8521> i'm gonna try that....
[08:26] <Ken8521> one more question... :)
[08:26] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: Oh, and it's not sdb,1 its (usb0,1)
[08:26] <Ken8521> that was gonna be my next question
[08:27] <Ken8521> what he said about subsituting sdb,1, w/ hd1,1 didn't make sense
[08:27] <LSD|Ninja> Does GRUB2 use sd* now? Or is still a noob trap?
[08:27] <Ken8521> lol
[08:28] <LSD|Ninja> I'm not embarrassed to say I fell into it when they were starting the move to SCSI terminology for ATA stuff
[08:28] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja: Usually you just search by UUID actually. But normal devices are (hd#,#)
[08:29] <Jordan_U> LSD|Ninja: If you use grub's built in ata drivers (bypassing the BIOS) then the devices are (ata#,#) and if you use grub's USB drivers they are (usb#,#) but searching by UUID always works and is recommended.
[08:30] <Ken8521> well i'm gonna go try this real quick, brb
[08:38] <blue102> 8 days to go
[08:42] <Ken8521_> Jordan_U, well, my PC froze.. :)... but it was still saying disk not found, kernel nt found
[08:45] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: grub 1.99 should have much more stable usb support, so I guess you'll just have to wait.
[08:45] <oneirosFade> Morning folks
[08:48] <Gorlist> morning, bit of a odd question. installed 10.04 a few weeks ago and set my desktop backdrop to lovely close up of a big green leaf (which came with ubuntu) - since then its disappeared and disappeared from the list!
[08:48] <Gorlist> oes anyone have a copy of it
[08:48] <Ken8521_> of what?
[08:49] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, well, it froze up
[08:49] <Ken8521> thats a promising feature though, i think
[08:53] <BUGabundo_remote> rufus fetch the paper :D
[08:54] <tdn> When will 10.04 be released? Is any date planned yet?
[08:54] <LSD|Ninja> tdn: 29th April, but consider waiting until October for 10.10
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> !schedule | tdn
[08:57] <BUGabundo_remote> LSD|Ninja: LOLOLOL
[08:57] <SwedeMike> LSD|Ninja: what's exciting in 10.10 ?
[08:57] <LSD|Ninja> SwedeMike: besides 6 months of bug fixes and updates? Not much :P
[08:57] <SwedeMike> :P
[08:58] <Jordan_U> SwedeMike: We might find out the misterious feature that will use the newly free'd title bar space on the right!
[08:58] <Jordan_U> ;)
[08:58] <SwedeMike> Jordan_U: that IS exciting :P
[08:58] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: well, if you put it this way we should never install and ubuntu and just wait for devel+1 hoping that bugs are fixed ;)
[08:59] <m0RrE> LSD|Ninja: 3 weeks after release the worst bugs are fixed
[09:00] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, lol, well then i'll have to move the "new feature" to the left... cuz i hated the buttons on the left.
[09:00] <LSD|Ninja> kklimonda: Hell, even waiting until October and upgrading to 10.04 then would be better than expecting all the little bugs and regressions in 10.04 to be fixed in little over a week. Every LTS is like this, they go right down to the wire and launch in whatever state it's in at that point because they know they have 3 years or whatever to fix it properly
[09:00] <BUGabundo_remote> actually 10.04.1
[09:01] <SwedeMike> looking at the number of bugs in debian stable, I'd say a lot of bugs actually never get fixed at all until new release, and then we have other bugs. it's the way of life :P
[09:01] <BUGabundo_remote> you do know that only *critical* bugs are fixed, right?
[09:01] <Ken8521> LSD|Ninja, to me though...10.04, is far more stable stable than 8.04 was
[09:01] <BUGabundo_remote> no package changes or new funcionality , ok?
[09:01] <Ken8521> even in its current stage
[09:01] <SwedeMike> I mean, most of my bugs are left hanging around in launchpad until 2 years later someone asks me to test the new release to see if it works there.
[09:01] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: I'm sorry, it's not a left compatible feature. Among other things the balance will be wrong so your windows will wobble very awkwardly.
[09:01] <BUGabundo_remote> SwedeMike: +1
[09:01] <LSD|Ninja> Ken8521: 8.04 was an absolute mess. I still can't believe they let it go out with a beta version of firefox because they didn't want to hold up the release.
[09:02] <SwedeMike> and 10.04 goes out with a heap of new functionality, seems to be the way of life as well.
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> LSD|Ninja: WRONG
[09:04] <Jordan_U> Ken8521: It will be like jello, with a limp.
[09:04] <BUGabundo_remote> FF 3.x was sent cause upstream would not maintain previous stable version for the duration of the LTS
[09:04] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: releasing 8.04 with beta Fx was better than alternatives
[09:04] <Damascene> I wonder since when the kernel become a non genuine ubuntu package
[09:04] <Damascene> http://uppix.net/e/6/9/087dd1ea4d06f542f6b1cf36f7b5b.png
[09:05] <LSD|Ninja> BUGabundo_remote: I was basically told as much by a dev 2 years ago
[09:05] <Ken8521> Jordan_U, lol
[09:05] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, and actually that beta was quite stable, specially compared with the stable firefox of that time
[09:05] <LSD|Ninja> BUGabundo_remote: (about not wanting to delay the release that is)
[09:05] <kklimonda> Damascene: it got removed from archive
[09:05] <yofel> Damascene: -21 is the current one, -20 is too old and is alredy removed
[09:05] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, the release schedule is not subject to software schedule, that would mean no release, since every program as its own schedule
[09:05] <joaopinto> I mean, the distro release
[09:06] <kklimonda> Damascene: it's a bug (or rather a shortcoming) of the apport - it just doesn't know if package was installed from 3rd party source or just removed from archive already.
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: actually it is: gnome release cycle
[09:06] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, I mean in general terms
[09:06] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: and it was a good decision - we would have to delay 8.04 for 2 or 3 months because of the single package
[09:06] <joaopinto> I know it's gnome guided
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> joaopinto: but its not! ir realy depends on gnome
[09:06] <BUGabundo_remote> see 6.06 for example
[09:07] <Ven]n> ouyes, :)
[09:07] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: 6.06 was still supported on desktops so there has been no pressure on people to upgrade
[09:07] <LSD|Ninja> kklimonda: Not really. It was only about 3 weeks until the stable version arrived and for people who'd been on 6.06 for two years previous and were going to use 8.04 for two years after that it was insignificant.
[09:07] <ouyes> hi all, what are your feelings running 10.04
[09:07] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo_remote: To be fair, they decided that 6.06 would be an LTS when they were already pretty far into the cycle.
[09:07] <LSD|Ninja> ouyes: So far, a typical LTS (Less than Stable) release
[09:08] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, the 6.06 delay was not related to gnome at all, as far as it was communicated
[09:08] <Jordan_U> BUGabundo_remote: It probably could have been released on time if they had planned it to be LTS from the beginning.
[09:08] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: actually it was more than 3 weeks (Fx 3 was released at June 17th and 8.04 at April 26th or something like that)
[09:08] <ouyes> Ven]n, LSD|Ninja  i am looking forward to the release on 29th
[09:09] <joaopinto> the only thing that concerns me at this moment for this LTS is plymouth and friends
[09:09] <LSD|Ninja> kklimonda: I could have sworn the updates came sooner than that, but I may be wrong. Eitehr way, it would have been an insignificant delay (and would have given you a chance to polish it up a bit more) given the 2-3 year lifecycle
[09:09] <ouyes> Ven]n, LSD|Ninja i put more care on the performance than the beauty of GUI(gnome)
[09:10] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, any delay is significant when you have release plan
[09:10] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, it would also still be affecting the current release, because the delay would cascade
[09:10] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: but it would mean less time for 8.10 - devs went this road with 6.06 and it simply didn't work out.
[09:11] <Damascene> thanks kklimonda
[09:11] <Ven]n> ouyes, for me, 10.04 seesm a little bit faster on my netbook
[09:11] <kklimonda> I really think we should just relabel standard releases as Betas and LTS as "official" releases ;)
[09:11] <Damascene> any way I just updated yesterday so this is weird
[09:11] <Damascene> and I always see this bug after reboot
[09:11] <Ven]n> and I also like the color change :p
[09:11] <Jordan_U> Anyone in here running lucid in VMware? I'd like to know if this affects all VMware users: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/565146
[09:11] <Ken8521> kklimonda, naa... i think Ubuntu has a pretty good way of doing things myself.
[09:11] <LSD|Ninja> joaopinto: The problem here is they really don't. Just a series of loosely define dates they always overrun. Except for that final release date. They never miss that. Even if it's on the last day of the month and the product is a steaming pile it will be released.
[09:12] <ouyes> Ven]n, you are running gnome of 10.04 on netbook?
[09:12] <Ven]n> yeah
[09:12] <Ven]n> on a usb key
[09:12] <Ven]n> hehehe
[09:13] <Ken8521> LSD|Ninja, really though.. how many ubuntu releases, have been a "steaming pile".
[09:13] <Ken8521> I didn't care for 9.04... i thought it had a lot of bugs at release, same w/ 8.04
[09:13] <Ken8521> but for the most part, they did work
[09:13] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, I don't agree with you, for this release there are public reports with progress reports, and things have been reaning quite good as far I could see
[09:13] <kklimonda> Ken8521: I think Ubuntu is less polished than it should be because of 6 month shedule. Some of it is a price we are paying for being just a Linux distribution but for example ubuntu one and ayatana related work could use some polish (especially in this cycle)
[09:13] <kklimonda> there are always lots of bugs at the release time :)
[09:13] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, if you have a different view then probably you should switch to a distribution whose policy matches your view
[09:14] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: we don't overrun freezes and other dates - the Beta2 slip was only one day.. and really unlucky ;)
[09:14] <Ken8521> kklimonda, yeah... all in all though, i think 10.04 is going to be very solid
[09:15] <Ven]n> kklimonda, beta2 slip?
[09:15] <kklimonda> Ken8521: depends on hardware
[09:15] <oneirosFade> Personally, I've only had a very few serious gripes w/ Ubuntu since I started using it a few years ago.  Most things I notice can either be easily worked around, or are just matters of taste.
[09:15] <Ven]n> the beta2 had a lot of bugs?
[09:15] <kklimonda> Ven]n: it was released a day later and just after that we got a bad updates that weren't fixed immediately because of some factors.
[09:16] <Ven]n> aha
[09:16] <Ken8521> kklimonda, well that could be said about any releas
[09:16] <kklimonda> Ken8521: but this time we'll get even more complains
[09:17] <kklimonda> Ken8521: all old intels are in a terrible shape and we have an ugly memory leak in X server
[09:17] <LSD|Ninja> Ken8521: They've all been going downhill since 7.10, but my beef with the LTSs is they make this huge fuss of long term support and stability and then never deliver.
[09:17] <Ken8521> LSD|Ninja, i see what you're saying...
[09:17] <Ken8521> i don't agree, but i see what you're saying
[09:18] <LSD|Ninja> Drop the pretense, and it wouldn't bother me so much
[09:18] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: and yet I hear people saying how great 8.04 has turned out lately
[09:18] <joaopinto> I personally don't care about the "LTS" status, that's an enterprise oriented concept, with no interest for a home user
[09:18] <nzmm> lts doesnt mean bug free, just means they'll fix the bugs you report for 5 years (or whatever it is)
[09:19] <Q_Continuum> Question, I'm looking at setting up a server in the next short while, figured I'd just wait for 10.04, but is there any reason I couldn't install "beta" now and just upgrade to final code when released?  (i386(
[09:19] <LSD|Ninja> nzmm: "release first, fix over teh 3 year support period"
[09:19] <joaopinto> LTS is most usefull for servers
[09:19] <nzmm> hence long term supprt, not never ever fail release
[09:19] <SwedeMike> nzmm: some of the bugs.
[09:19] <ouyes> i will customize my own ubuntu installation cd after the release,  i wish the 10.04 would not let me down
[09:19] <kklimonda> Q_Continuum: no reason not to do that other than beta being beta :)
[09:19] <SwedeMike> Q_Continuum: install it now and keep it updated, there is no reason to wait really
[09:20] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, so your suggesting is, "fix before, never release"
[09:20] <joaopinto> suggestion
[09:20] <Q_Continuum> Figured as much, that box just means I have to burn a CD - old AthlonXP box.  Does anyone have a pre-configured VM appliance for netbooting...?
[09:20] <nzmm> see funny thing is people got fed up with debian as well, so basically nothing will satisfy eh?
[09:21] <joaopinto> there is no such thing as "it's ready", that is a vague definition which changes from person to person
[09:21] <Jordan_U> nzmm: It's not neccisarily the same people.
[09:21] <LSD|Ninja> joaopinto: The nature of open source development makes that massively impractical, I realise that. A better suggestion is as I said before: just drop the pretense. Drop this LTS nonsense and release teh way everyone else does.
[09:22] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, LTS means support, not stable, you know about that right ?
[09:22] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, the support is not a pretense, is a real fact, it is being provided
[09:22] <Ken8521> touche'
[09:22] <joaopinto> Sability is hard to measure, support is not, they have pretty much described with type of support is provided.. critical and security fixes
[09:22] <joaopinto> Sta..
[09:23] <Ken8521> nzmm, i think folks got upset w/ Debian because 4.0 was in beta for what?.. over a year. maybe close to 2
[09:23] <ubnbeta2> I have to agree, I'd rather have them wait until things were stable and working before pushing a release out the door every six months.
[09:23] <LSD|Ninja> The first 6 months of "critical" updates are basically fixing stuff they let through because they knew they wouldn't make the launch date
[09:23] <Ken8521> maybe the answer is instead of releasing every 6mo, releasing every year?
[09:24] <nzmm> Ken8521:  sorta what i was on about, but unno me just providing a bit of drama
[09:24] <joaopinto> every new release is expected to be more stable, LTS releases are expected to be supported for longer
[09:24] <ubnbeta2> how about releasing when ready?
[09:24] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: it's never ready
[09:24] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: there will always be bugs, it's a matter of deciding if they are critical to the release itself.
[09:24] <Ken8521> ubnbeta2, its in a constant stage of tweaking, updating, fixing, etc.. like kklimonda  said, it is never ready..
[09:24] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, those critical updates are the same problems wich affect all the other non LTS releases, the fact is that for LTS you get those fixes for a longer time
[09:25] <kklimonda> for example if there were a bug in the installers that eats your data then the release would be put on hold
[09:25] <jwalling> I;m on 8.04 LTS and waiting for 10.4 LTS to be "stable" - maybe June?
[09:25] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, I disagree, you can set a mark, wait for things to get fixed, and then release.  Say release X will have version x.y.z of whatever, and only do patches
[09:25] <nzmm> its lts, you dont have to use it right away, no one is forcing you to install it, use it in a year, maybe then it will be 'ready'
[09:25] <nzmm> problem solved
[09:25] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: what do you mean by mark?
[09:25] <joaopinto> the LTS prepare time is the same as a non LTS release
[09:26] <kklimonda> I actually believe that the next LTS should be a better one in terms of stability. ;)
[09:26] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, target versions of software, firefox 3.6, gnome 2.6, or whatever.
[09:26] <joaopinto> ubnbeta2, right, meanwhile you find version x.z.z is more stable than you change your goal
[09:26] <nzmm> or fixes are backported cos its lts?
[09:27] <kklimonda> some of them
[09:27] <LSD|Ninja> nzmm: some fixes aren't backported even in a non-LTS
[09:27] <joaopinto> only critical and security fixes are backported
[09:27] <nzmm> i realise
[09:27] <kklimonda> it's actually harder to get a fix into non-LTS than into LTS
[09:27] <joaopinto> I personallly would prefer a rolling release :P
[09:28] <joaopinto> I prefer small changes, easier to identify, easier to fix
[09:28] <kklimonda> as LTS is supported for 3 years it's easier to justify non-critical fixes
[09:28] <ubnbeta2> then release it when everything is read, not because it's time and you must force it.
[09:28] <ubnbeta2> joaopinto, not how it works
[09:28] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: that's how debian does it
[09:28] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: and no one uses stable debian on desktops
[09:29] <ubnbeta2> I do like ubuntu, I came from Gentoo, but it's a bit much to have new releases break so much for so long.  9.10 still isn't working for my hardware that worked in 8.xx and 9.04
[09:29] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: it's always a tradeoff between stability and new features
[09:29] <LSD|Ninja> kklimonda: the issue here is that Ubuntu says they're trying to rise above that tradeoff when they aren't any better than anyone else
[09:30] <ubnbeta2> ah, I do miss the days of gentoo, you could have a stable system, and only unmask packages that you wanted unstable.  Just got tired of keeping the system working with gentoo.
[09:30] <Damascene> LSD|Ninja, did you try fedora?
[09:30] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, you know there is an enterprise backing up Ubuntu right ? You don't how enterpises sell their products right :) ?
[09:30] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: the main selling point of LTS is long support and not "stability since day one"
[09:31] <joaopinto> they sell support
[09:31] <LSD|Ninja> Believe it or not, I actually appreciate tha tUbuntu is at least trying here, I just don't believe they're trying hard enough and it's really starting to show
[09:31] <ouyes> kklimonda, what you mean by "stability since day one"?
[09:31] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: really?
[09:31] <joaopinto> they don't name it "Long Term Stability"
[09:31] <nzmm> lol
[09:31] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: please, it's simply not fair - they really work around the clock trying to fix all the issues
[09:31] <kklimonda> Linux ecosystem just makes it really hard
[09:31] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, if trying hard enough is to wait for firefox to come out of beta, or application Foo , I don't agree with you
[09:32] <kklimonda> ouyes: well, for example lts->lts upgrades may be postponed if it's decided that the new LTS isn't ready for people who like safety ;)
[09:33] <kklimonda> ouyes: some bugs are already milestoned for the 10.04.1 release
[09:33] <kcj1993> how is lucid goingZ
[09:33] <kcj1993> ?*
[09:33] <LSD|Ninja> joaopinto: The firefox thing is a fairly extreme example of the problem, granted, but at the same time if it takes weeks after the release date for things to even remotely calm down (as it did with 8.04 and will almost certainly happen with 10.04) then what was the point in releasing it those few weeks or months ahead of schedule, especially over a 2-5 year support lifecycle?
[09:34] <kklimonda> kcj1993: good, bad - depends on your hardware and applications you use
[09:34] <kcj1993> faster than 9.10Z
[09:34] <kcj1993> ?*
[09:35] <kklimonda> kcj1993: depends on your hardware :)
[09:35] <kklimonda> kcj1993: but yes, it's faster
[09:35] <kcj1993> sweet
[09:35] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, what makes you believe that delaying would turn the final result any better ? Waiting those weeks is a clear sign that Ubuntu fails to manage a project, a project has timelines. I am not clear on what do you expect to gain with more a few weeks.
[09:36] <ubnbeta2> releasing a product when it's not ready is just as bad
[09:36] <joaopinto> LSD|Ninja, specially when a significant part of the problems that show up on the initial release weeks are from users which did not participate on testing, and would never do it before the release day
[09:36] <nzmm> right
[09:37] <ouyes> i am wondering how many people are running ubuntu right now  all over the world
[09:37] <kklimonda> LSD|Ninja: firefox isn't really a good example - there is not a single other project that unfriendly to distributions (especially those that have releases and aren't just rolling back new versions as they come)
[09:37] <Damascene> joaopinto, +1
[09:37] <nzmm> last estimate was 12m
[09:38] <joaopinto> Damascene, talking about problems on LTSs, your RTL issue. make sure you kick some developers early after lucid ;)
[09:39] <Damascene> :) sure, I'll try to as soon as possible
[09:39] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: as opposed to Apple or Microsoft Linux distributions don't have a luxury of waiting for something to be "ready" for the release.
[09:39] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, debian was linux last time I checked... they do it.
[09:40] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: and they pay a steep price for that
[09:40] <joaopinto> ubnbeta2, yes, and they have an insignificant user base
[09:40] <joaopinto> not that they care much about it, it's not their main purpose
[09:40] <Damascene> I think we should monitor fedora release as they have the most recent packages
[09:40] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, you just said "linux distros don't..."
[09:41] <ubnbeta2> I'm sure they are not alone either, I don't monitor all the others out there
[09:41] <ubnbeta2> really, I came to ubuntu because "it just worked"
[09:41] <ubnbeta2> 8.04 was great for me, even 8.10.  9.04 was okay, but 9.10 horrible.
[09:42] <SandGorgon> ubnbeta2, ahh... would you want to join my i-hate-plymouth party ?
[09:42] <ubnbeta2> SandGorgon, hehe, looked at that issue today too. :)
[09:42] <SandGorgon> I have 10 bucks down for a non-plymouth, non-kms version of 10.04 - SERIOUSLY
[09:42] <joaopinto> not having due dates is terrible, different parties will keep disputing the release date
[09:43] <joaopinto> something you can only afford when you have too much money to waste... (hint: MS)
[09:43] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: debian made the fact that they release when ready their selling point - I don't think any other distribution does it.
[09:43] <ubnbeta2> why are you guys so extreme about it?  Just saying don't force a strict 6mo release, you can still set some firmer targets, you don't need to be all other side of the spectrum about it.
[09:43]  * BUGabundo_remote wonder how long the Release ranting will last, so I can turn the higlight back on
[09:44] <joaopinto> ubnbeta2, there are nothing as firm as dates, dates are objectives, other goals are not
[09:44] <joaopinto> objective
[09:44] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, I think RHLE does very similar, they code freeze versions and release when everything is tested as much as possible.
[09:44] <joaopinto> lol BUGabundo_remote
[09:44] <BUGabundo_remote> SandGorgon: ill join it
[09:44] <SandGorgon> i personally think that way too much time was spent in looking at issues like button placements and snazzy startup screens, when I would rather that it be spent on drivers
[09:44] <SandGorgon> BUGabundo_remote, :)
[09:44] <Damascene> I see many things are discussed over and over. why don't someone create a wiki page with everyone idea and thoughts
[09:45] <Damascene> if there is some thing new just add it
[09:45] <BUGabundo_remote> no, seriously! I've purged plymouth like 8 times this cycle
[09:45] <SandGorgon> Damascene, there is already a way - Bubuntu Brainstorm... but nothing came of it.
[09:45] <BUGabundo_remote> and the sucker keeps coming
[09:45] <BUGabundo_remote> don't you just hate when an OS makes decisions for you ?
[09:45] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, except that is much harder to work on drivers, it depends on different skills, and on information which sometimes is not provided by vendors
[09:45] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: but they prepare point releases that bring new features to the current stable release.
[09:45] <Damascene> SandGorgon, wiki isn't like  a brainstorm
[09:45] <joaopinto> drivers are tied with 3rd party vendors, unlike design which is free
[09:46] <SandGorgon> joaopinto, true true... however a very LARGE number of problems were "things worked in 7.10, 8.04 ...but not in 9.10". These problems are low lying fruits
[09:46] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: but the button placement (or rather design) and drivers are not being worked on by the same people
[09:46] <Ken8521> BUGabundo_remote, lol, plymouth is an enigma that never dies
[09:46] <Ken8521> i didn't know it could be removed though.
[09:47] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, right, but I feel there the problem is more the lack of testing, developers usually only care about their own machines :P
[09:47] <ubnbeta2> well as I said, they did some major changes to hal/evdev in 9.10, it broke things for me and several others.   I guess not enough to make a difference.
[09:47] <SandGorgon> kklimonda,  you are right, of course. But I just think the direction should have been driver cleanups.. etc.
[09:47] <joaopinto> plymouth can be removed manually, but it will also disable mountall, so it's an ugly hack
[09:47] <Ken8521> joaopinto, hmm, whats mountall?
[09:47] <joaopinto> the boot process depends on mountall which depends on plymouth
[09:47] <Ken8521> ubnbeta2, 9.10 wasn't to bad IMO, 9.04 was a train wreck.
[09:48] <joaopinto> Ken8521, it's the utility which mounts all your filesystems early on boot
[09:48] <Ken8521> joaopinto, hmm, that seems like it would be pretty importantt
[09:48] <SandGorgon> my favorite is a bug I filed and debugged where 10.04 would'nt install on certain motherboards (while 9.10 would). I debugged it to a check (in Casper maybe) for floppy drives. On disabling it in the BIOS, everything worked... this was not fixed or even looked at
[09:48] <ubnbeta2> Ken8521, funny, 9.04 worked for me.  9.10 was the wreck for my systems. (6 total)
[09:48] <joaopinto> Ken8521, well, you could replace it with a manual mount -a, but is not as safe and complete as mountall, as it handles cases like file system check, etc etc
[09:49] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: there aren't that many people who can work on these things and they all already work for other corporations ;)
[09:49] <Ken8521> joaopinto, i see
[09:49] <Ken8521> ubnbeta2, i think a lot o fit, boils down to what hardware you have...
[09:49] <SandGorgon> I filed a brainstorm for taking legal counsel to validate that patents on font hinting have finally expired (that was a long brainstorm). IT would have taken Linux as a whole to a different level of looking-good-ness
[09:49] <joaopinto> hw oriented developers are rare and expensive
[09:49] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: well, I don't think there is a single developer working for Canonical that still have access to floppy drive ;)
[09:49] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, you know what - neither do I
[09:50] <joaopinto> while any kid can write a python app with some buttons on it :P
[09:50] <Ken8521> joaopinto, but can he put the buttons in the upper right?
[09:50] <Ken8521> lol
[09:50] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, but somehow even latest motherboards have support built and activated... and 10.04 croaks on that
[09:50] <joaopinto> Ken8521, that's not a developer issue, that's the design team
[09:50] <ubnbeta2> Ken8521, while I'd agree for stuff that never worked, having working hardware on three older releases and then breaking it, and ignoring or closing bugs reported as invalid is bad management.
[09:50] <Ken8521> joaopinto, i'm teasin... i laugh cuz so many people get so worked up about that, when it takes 2sec to change the way you want it
[09:50] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: it doesn't do it on every hardware for sure
[09:50] <joaopinto> Ken8521, if you don't like the current positioning you must be out of fashion ;)
[09:51] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, correct... but it does on every Gigabyte G61 series..
[09:51] <Ken8521> ubnbeta2, i agree..
[09:51] <Ken8521> joaopinto, i HATE the buttons on the left
[09:51] <Ken8521> i agree w/ everyone else, shuttleworth has mac envy..lol
[09:52] <ubnbeta2> lol
[09:52] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: you have to remember that "we" don't break hardware - upstream projects do.
[09:52] <joaopinto> Ken8521, I really don't care, my brain is stil smart enough to rember "right - left" :D
[09:52] <joaopinto> lol, the way around
[09:52] <kklimonda> we just take a hit for that :/
[09:52] <SandGorgon> I would'nt mind giving a hundred bucks or so for rdesktop support for Win Server 2008 (no it doesnt as yet) and for out-of-the-box webcam support with skype
[09:52] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, nope, you did.  You changed hal and evdev support to something else.
[09:52] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, it wasn't broken in evdev/hal
[09:53] <JSund> Ken8521: sure, it's easy to fix if you know how to do it, but most people will only look at the settings available from the GUI and as far as I know, you can't change the button order from there in a default installation
[09:53] <joaopinto> kklimonda, please don't make the barrier "we" vs "upstreams"
[09:54] <joaopinto> we also break things
[09:54] <Ken8521> joaopinto, not really a brain issue, its just my brain is programmed to look in the upper right, i've done it for 15yrs.. i managed to unprogram windows from my brain, but not the buttons..lol
[09:54] <joaopinto> we fix some and break others
[09:54] <Ken8521> JSund, google will tell you in about 10sec how to use the GUI to change it.. don't need a ton of CLI command, if thats what you mean
[09:54] <kklimonda> joaopinto: it's the only way to stay sane ;)
[09:54] <JSund> Ken8521: but you still have to run a command not available in the default menus to access that GUI
[09:55] <Ken8521> i'm trying to install arch in Vbox right now... that is a headache.
[09:55] <BUGabundo_remote> something funky
[09:55] <joaopinto> when things are broken there is allways that fight
[09:55] <Ken8521> JSund, i've always wondered why Gconf-editor wasn't in the menu system
[09:55] <JSund> imho it should be an option under System -> Preferences -> Windows
[09:55] <joaopinto> like the PA fight
[09:55] <BUGabundo_remote> after removing HAL my system boots *MUCH* faster
[09:55] <SandGorgon> even the ongoing direction of 10.10 is "social" - facebook, twitter, etc.
[09:55] <JSund> Ken8521: probably because gconf-editor requires some understanding of underlying parts of the system
[09:55] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, marketing
[09:55] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: actually hal has been deprecated (and replaced) by X.org and other projects too so it's not like we've done something different..
[09:56] <Ken8521> JSund, probably
[09:57] <kklimonda> joaopinto: but it's still good to remember that a lot of decisions aren't made by Ubuntu itself. People tend to forget that.
[09:57] <SandGorgon> I think linux's direction should be towards consumption and creation of content - good audio, cam, ebook support should be where it needs to go. How else can it stand up against the other great fruity*nix
[09:57] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, I sure those words on a release announcement look much better than "Your system will no longer freeze when doing Y" :P
[09:58] <SandGorgon> joaopinto, :) I admit that.. true.. however "increased compatibility with thousands of new printers, scanners and webcams" sounds good as well
[09:59] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, people take that as granted on a OS ;)
[10:01] <SandGorgon> joaopinto, sigh... you should sometime read the blog post (and more importantly the _comments_) on Jonathan Blow's website, when he posted about his inability to port Braid to Linux because it lacked low latency sound. Stuff like that really is the reason why we dont have better games on linux
[10:01] <nzmm> ?
[10:01] <joaopinto> SandGorgon, oh sound+linux = FAIL
[10:02] <joaopinto> :P
[10:02] <jussi> !ot
[10:02] <ubnbeta2> pulseaudio = FAIL
[10:02] <joaopinto> sorry, I mean I feel that sound related support on Ubuntu as been a long standing problem
[10:03] <SandGorgon> joaopinto, low latency sound and pointer control = fail. Maybe (I'm not sure here), jackd would be the logical way forward - I always keep waiting for Ubuntu to throw in its support behind something other than pulse
[10:06] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: don't wait - jump in and offer your help
[10:08] <kklimonda> i wonder why does this statement ends most discussions ;)
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> ahaha
[10:09] <BUGabundo_remote> its hard work, to WORK on something
[10:09] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, you think it does, but doesn't.  I've actually done things like that.  I re-wrote the entire audio control system for "tvtime" that was using OSS to use ALSA and have device controls.  The patch was never accepted by the author, I didn't feel like forking it myself.
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> *if* you are going to fix it, you are not going to discuss about it, you are busy fixing it
[10:10] <ubnbeta2> so it's often more complex then just "jumping in."
[10:10] <BUGabundo_remote> ubnbeta2: true, also
[10:11] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: every contribution should start with a discussion.
[10:13] <ubnbeta2> in an ideal world, open source would be just that.  People add good ideas and contributions to projects.  But to often, like with XFree86 -> xorg, people get in the way.  My hope for ubuntu would be that they value the community more.
[10:14] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, it did, he said go ahead, patches welcome, so I did it, and then he decided he didn't want it since he wasn't using alsa or knew anything about it.  Kind of the go away "patches welcome" and didn't mean it.
[10:15] <kklimonda> ubnbeta2: well, then it was obviously either a miscommunication or simply a bad luck.
[10:15] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, I am ... last 2 weeks. I filed more than 16 bugs - most of them with detailed analyses. I dont know how effective I would be with origramming, but I dont mind trying
[10:15] <SwedeMike> ubnbeta2: I was involved in discussions on mplayer list as well regarding that, some said "implement it and then we'll decide" which I think is bullshit if they already have decided to not accept it.
[10:16] <ubnbeta2> kklimonda, as I said, people say "patches welcome" sometimes and me go away since many people will and not come back.
[10:16] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, I think that is a very good point you raise. Win7 (a brilliant OS IMHO) fixed thousands of bugs becuase it's beta builds sent back a huge amount of data necessary for debugging.
[10:17] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: we already have more data than we can either process or make use of to fix bugs
[10:17] <SandGorgon> I dont mind running an extremely verbose OS or debug enabled (at the cost of performance) if it helps people - but a  lot of people cannot contribute patches back
[10:18] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: unfortunately Ubuntu is at the point when we have much more users (most of whom aren't experienced linux users) than developers.
[10:18] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, what do you suggest then - bug bash where a lot of "doesnt work in X but worked in Y" bugs are dealt with ? that would be brilliant
[10:19] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: I don't suggest anything - there is no good way of dealing with this problem
[10:19] <Ken8521> kklimonda, very well said
[10:20] <Ken8521> i know what will fix it
[10:20] <Ken8521> Canonical sell Ubuntu to Microsoft.
[10:20] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: I can't even say "Canonical should just employ more good developers" because there aren't that many good developers with a good understanding of various Linux bits who are looking for work
[10:22] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, nope.. not that - how do you better harness all these people who are passionate about linux, but are not full blown developers. That problem, if solved, would be amazing - it could even be as simple as lead developers getting together on a particular day and helping everyone (a lot of repeated questions!) on how to debug and fix their own problems.
[10:23] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: actually we have classes for people interested in either bugfixing, writing new code or doing any other work for Ubuntu.
[10:25] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, is that worldwide ? You guys have no clue how big Linux is (and getting to be) in Asia - where not only do big computer makers sell _all_ their stuff without Windows, but it is impossible for a large part of the population to afford windows.
[10:26] <kklimonda> SandGorgon: they are on IRC so I guess it's worldwide
[10:27] <SandGorgon> kklimonda, I did not know about these classes - this is news and I would be very interested.
[10:27] <kklimonda> !classroom
[10:37]  * ubnbeta2 ins't in the US
[10:38] <ubnbeta2> or the northern hemisphere either. :p
[10:39] <SwedeMike> SandGorgon: it's interesting how many computers are sold here with MSDOS or Linux (I'm in Bangkok atm) to keep the prices down.
[10:39] <hifi> msdos? O_o
[10:39] <hifi> freedos by any chance?
[10:39] <SwedeMike> yes, msdos. ( or freedos, I don't know)
[10:39] <SwedeMike> it says msdos in the ads
[10:39] <hifi> heh
[10:43] <BUGabundo_remote> what are ppl expected to do with MSDOS?
[10:43] <SwedeMike> when you see 300USD computers including windows is a big increase in price of the product
[10:44] <SwedeMike> BUGabundo_remote: see that the computer POSTs before they leave the store, probably.
[10:44] <SwedeMike> a big problem here as far as I can deduce is that people the ninstall pirated windows and don't get windows update working, so a lot of people get p0wned and then spread malware
[10:46] <SandGorgon> In India, I see a lot of Ubuntu computers sold from stores.. it is still a tie between Fedora and Ubuntu
[10:48] <SandGorgon> 99% of the people who dont use linux do it because of driver problems (bluetooth, webcam, card reader, *fingerprint reader*, printer, scanner) or that OO sucks when it comes to MSOffice
[10:48] <oneirosFade> Wait, OOo sucks?
[10:48] <oneirosFade> Nobody bothered to inform me of this. :(
[10:48] <BUGabundo_remote> OOo rocks
[10:48] <SandGorgon> oneirosFade, try Softmaker Office and then u'll see a really viable office replacement on Linux
[10:49] <SandGorgon> oneirosFade, I actually deploy these, so I know
[10:49] <oneirosFade> SandGorgon:  MSOffice replacement insomuch as...?  What is your criteria?
[10:50] <SandGorgon> oneirosFade, compatibilty. The rest of world is still on MSOffice - in a significantly large number of cases, OO doesnt play nice with those documents.
[10:50] <oneirosFade> Ah
[10:51] <oneirosFade> Well, I'm not in an enterprise environment, so MSO can eat a bad sector
[10:51] <SandGorgon> trust me.. I tried to deploy Ubuntu at an accounting shop - they loved it. But in the end Office won out. Softmaker is much better, so I may be able to push a lot more installations now
[10:51] <oneirosFade> OOo has given me no problems, and a PDF is a PDF, a printed page is a printed page :)
[10:51] <G_A_C> ~[5~[6~[6~[6~
[10:52] <SandGorgon> oneirosFade, Excel is the real killer I suppose, followed by DOC. PPT is not that critical
[10:53] <Trewas> I don't need to use office software much but I find OOo pretty horrible compared ms office, I think overall (features etc, even compatibility) it is ok, but wrt all the small usability things ms office is *much* better
[11:03] <sveinse> Thunderbird seems to have lost all its handling of mime types on my system. If I go into Preferences->Attachments the Content Type list is empty. I need to provide action for *every* program, including for http links...
[11:03] <sveinse> (I have upgraded Karmic to Lucid on amd64)
[11:11] <Damascene> do you know a good way to create animated gift
[11:12] <AnxiousNutAtC-PC> im running lubuntu beta2 from live USB but it cant play .ogv!
[11:15] <AnxiousNutAtC-PC> sorry it can, but not correctly! i get huge pixels
[11:17] <Ven]n> how can I see whats going on while shutting down the system? the dots just keep going
[11:17] <Ven]n> and it wont shut down
[11:20] <xapel> Does anyone know the status of the windows port of the ubuntuone client?
[11:22] <mungojerry> are the new lucid wallpapers designed for widescreen only? it looks really bad on my non-widescreen dual monitor setup
[11:25] <joaopinto> xapel, is there a windows port ?
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> http://bootcharts.f.bugabundo.net/
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> wow
[11:26] <BUGabundo_remote> half the time
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> now if only I could cut that to 50% again
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> rt @brionv: Clever... looks like the Ubuntu 10.04 installer does an IP-based geo lookup to guess your timezone :D
[11:27] <BUGabundo_remote> humm I never saw this
[11:28] <Ven]n> hmm.. something prevents my ubuntu from shutting down.. how to fix? :)
[11:28] <BUGabundo_remote> ahaha
[11:28] <BUGabundo_remote> really?
[11:28] <BUGabundo_remote> $ sudo halt ?
[11:29] <Ven]n> lemme try again
[11:29] <Ven]n> the dots just kept going and going
[11:29] <Ven]n> hehe
[11:29] <BUGabundo_remote> which dots?
[11:29] <Ven]n> the ones showing when you shutdown
[11:30] <Ven]n> now I typed sudo halt
[11:30] <Ven]n> and I see the ubuntu logo and 5 dots
[11:30] <xapel> joaopinto: Not a working one, but I know there was an effort to create one
[11:30] <Ven]n> red, red, red, red, red, white, white, white, white, white
[11:31] <joaopinto> xapel, never heard about it
[11:31] <Ven]n> how can I find out whats not shutting down properly
[11:33] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: ctrl+alt+f1 ?
[11:33] <Ven]n> nothing happens
[11:33] <vish> anyone using kubuntu here?
[11:34] <Ven]n> BUGabundo_remote, can I specify something so Ill see text instead of the image?
[11:34] <Ken8521> vish, naa.. whats wrong?
[11:34] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: on boot, at grub, remove splash ?
[11:35] <Ken8521> well thats silly, kubuntu+1 is invite only
[11:35] <vish> Ken8521: could you mention the icon names used by the volume icons in Bug #566996
[11:35] <joaopinto> BUGabundo_remote, you can't remove "splash"
[11:35] <Ken8521> vish, i dont even know what you're talking about... i don't use kde.
[11:35] <vish> Ken8521: there is /no/ kubuntu+1  , this channel is for all+1 variants ;)
[11:35] <Ken8521> was just curious what was wrong
[11:35] <vish> Ken8521: pff ;p
[11:35] <Ven]n> joaopinto, any suggestions then? :)
[11:35] <Ken8521> vish, well when i tried to enter it, it said it was invite only
[11:35] <joaopinto> Ven]n, try booting and shutting down in recovery mode
[11:35] <Ven]n> ok
[11:36] <vish> Ken8521: thats because you are logged in here.. if you quit this channel and try to enter K+1 it will redirect you here :)
[11:37] <Ken8521> hmm, not sure how that happened
[11:37] <Ven]n> joaopinto, should I login and everything?
[11:37] <Ven]n> oh well.. doing it
[11:37] <Ven]n> im at command line now
[11:37] <Ven]n> doing a sudo halt
[11:38] <Ven]n> acpi error: no installed handler for fixed event
[11:38] <Ven]n> 20100121/evevent-306
[11:38] <joaopinto> Ven]n, blocked ?
[11:39] <Ven]n> blocked?
[11:39] <joaopinto> I mean, did it shutdown ?
[11:39] <Ven]n> nah
[11:39] <Ven]n> last thing is that acpi error
[11:39] <joaopinto> well, try the booting with the "noacpi" option
[11:39] <BUGabundo_remote> Ven]n: $ubuntu-bug linux then
[11:39] <joaopinto> I guess you should file a bug report anyway
[11:40] <mrp> i just did some updates and reboot now when i boot into ubutu it locks up at the login screen and doesn't allow any input?
[11:41] <Ven]n> joaopinto, but it used to work
[11:41] <Ven]n> hehe
[11:42] <joaopinto> Ven]n, new kernel, new problems :P
[11:43] <Ven]n> http://www.mydellmini.com/forum/ubuntu-netbook-remix/18984-mini-9-ubuntu-remix-connectivity.html
[11:43] <Ven]n> seems to be same issue
[11:43] <Ven]n> hmm
[11:44] <Ven]n> hes using 9.10 on thumb drive on a dell mini 9, im using 10.04 on a thumb drive on a dell mini 9
[11:44] <Ven]n> :p
[11:46] <Ven]n> I added noacpi  to the last line of the normal boot. didnt change anything
[11:47] <duffydack> Ven]n,  is this with a mini 9 you are having problems?
[11:48] <Ven]n> yeh
[11:48] <Ken8521> don't those have realtek wireless?
[11:48] <sebsebseb> Hi
[11:48] <duffydack> Odd, I installed alpha3 and have had it on since.. works fine.
[11:48] <Ven]n> Ken8521, think most have broadcom
[11:48] <Ken8521> hmm.
[11:49] <Ken8521> my netbook has atheros, so i was just curious.
[11:49] <sweet> I would like to add a boot option to my grub2 menu  that launches only a console, I've googled it but haven't found a clear solution for my problem....
[11:49] <Ken8521> you'd think they would have put a wireless device in them(if they come stock w/ linux) that typically works out of the box..
[11:49] <duffydack> most dells ive seen are broadcoms.. i have 3, all bcm
[11:50] <Ken8521> duffydack, are they hard to get working? i know they used to be
[11:50] <Ven]n> hmm, I tried a halt in recovery mode of the 2.6.32-21 kernel now, it stops at "modem-manager: caught signal 15, shutting down"
[11:50] <Ven]n> that kernel wont shutdown either
[11:50] <Ven]n> im pretty sure both shut down properly yesterday :p
[11:50] <duffydack> Ken8521, the mini9 came with 8.04 (dells custom) and i put every ubuntu version since on it, all easy with wifi..
[11:51] <Ven]n> Ken8521, you can use the STA driver for wifi without issues
[11:51] <Ken8521> hm, cool
[11:51] <Ven]n> but STA doesnt support monitor mode
[11:51] <Ken8521> STA?
[11:52] <Ven]n> some proprietary driver
[11:53] <Ken8521> oh
[11:58] <Ven]n> joaopinto, removing splash and quiet removed the splash btw
[12:00] <sweet> I would like to add a boot option to my grub2 menu  that launches only a console, I've googled it but haven't found a clear solution for my problem... anyone?
[12:01] <Ken8521> sweet, well even to launch a console, it has to build the OS
[12:02] <Ken8521> otherwise, your console will be about as useful as a blinking cursor
[12:02] <sweet> Ken8521: I know but it shouldn't launch xorg...
[12:03] <sweet> Ken8521: I need a clean boot option without graphics, networkmanager, ...
[12:04] <Ven]n> joaopinto, uhm, reboot works, shutdown does not
[12:05] <Ken8521> sweet, hmm, seems plausible, but i dunno how
[12:06] <PatrickDK> you just need to edit /etc/init/gdm I would think
[12:06] <PatrickDK> to not run at a certain runlevel
[12:06] <PatrickDK> and boot into that runlevel for console only
[12:07] <mungojerry> sweet, you need to boot to runlevel3
[12:07] <mungojerry> which doesn't run X
[12:07] <sweet> mungojerry: any idea how to add this option to grub2?
[12:07] <yofel> mungojerry: that doesn't work anymore, and RL 2-5 are the same for ubuntu anyway
[12:09] <mungojerry> really, i thought that add 3 to the end  linux /boot/vmlinuz line
[12:10] <mungojerry> yofel, that is confusing!
[12:10] <yofel> well, some distributions had a X-less RL3, but for Ubuntu 2-5 were always identical
[12:10] <yofel> now that we use upstart it's different again
[12:10] <mungojerry> :(
[12:11] <yofel> I know, upstart isn't very well documented yet, more workhours went into development
[12:14] <sweet> mungojerry: can you help me out to add boot option to runlevel 3?
[12:15] <mungojerry> sweet, yofel has pointed out there were some changes with upstart, i thought it was still the same as redhat distros, so i don't know, i'm afraid
[12:17] <yofel> I asked in -devel, maybe they know more
[12:18] <dwhite> I'm running Lucid on a Dell Laptop - last night after updating, it's battery ran down and it shut off - after starting it back up it will not connect to the network - ifconfig just shows the loopback - when I boot the same machine to windows it finds the network no problem - any Idea how to get eth0 back?
[12:18] <peterson> Hello
[12:18] <judgen> ööh, where do i find /etc/modprobe.d/aliases nowdays? Or is there and simple way of disabling ipv6?
[12:19] <peterson> can i give my feedback here?
[12:19] <yofel> peterson: depends on what, we can give you support if you have issues, but this is not the right place to report issues to the developers
[12:19] <iconmefisto> can't you just add the word text to kernel line?
[12:20] <peterson> Hi any developers here?
[12:20] <yofel> peterson: what's your issue anyway?
[12:20] <judgen> iconmefisto: oh yeah forgot that part, thanks.
[12:21] <yofel> peterson: some are here yes, but I doubt they will just answer you if you call them
[12:21] <yofel> gone...
[12:23] <yofel> hm, giving the runlevel on the kernel line seems to still work even with upstart
[12:24] <yofel> at least /etc/init/rc-sysvinit.conf looks there for a custom runlevel
[12:25] <mungojerry> yofel, does init 3 still give console only?
[12:25] <mungojerry> or requires some customising?
[12:25] <Dr_Willis> i dudent think init 3 did the console only - for  quite some time....
[12:27] <yofel> mungojerry: no, as I said, ubuntu never configured it like that
[12:29] <yofel> mungojerry: from -devel: <cjwatson> yofel: on Debian-based systems, runlevels 2, 3, 4, and 5 are identical by default, and left to the sysadmin to customise; in particular runlevel 3 does not mean "boot without graphics" by default
[12:30] <Dr_Willis> You could tweak the /etc/init/gdm.conf file i guess to make it not start on runlevel 3 if you wanted.
[12:31] <yofel> yep, hope they make that easier at some point (for 12.04 maybe...)
[12:32] <joaopinto> there is no console mode right now, except for the recovery console option
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> It would probrly break plymouth.. so they cant do it.
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> Im not even sure what 'recovery' console does thats different.
[12:32] <Dr_Willis> other then not starting gdm/kdm/whateverdm
[12:32] <alvin> Single user mode
[12:33] <yofel> single user mode with root shell without need of password, that's different than a X-less login
[12:33] <alvin> I didn't follow the discussion. Don't tell me they broke that? Recovery mode can come in handy sometimes.
[12:33] <yofel> alvin: they did not, we were discussion if X-less runlevel 3 would be possible
[12:33] <yofel> *discussing
[12:33] <Dr_Willis> Yes - but is it actually stoping other services? or just stopping gdm, and doing  a root terminal?
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> Ive never compared whats started in recovery mode. vs  normal (no gdm) mode.
[12:35] <alvin> Hmm, like the good days where you logged into your system and only started X (startx) when you needed it.
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> yep
[12:35] <balachmar> Hi, I get the following errors when installing a few (3) packages: E: /var/cache/apt/archives/gstreamer0.10-plugins-ugly_0.10.14-1_i386.deb: trying to overwrite '/usr/share/locale/ca/LC_MESSAGES', which is also in package debconf-i18n 0
[12:36] <balachmar> Does anybody know what can cause this?
[12:38] <Dr_Willis> the 2 packages are both conatining the same file.. which is a little odd.
[12:42] <balachmar> Dr_Willis, yeas I assumed as much, could you maybe verify this on your machine? Then I will file a bug.
[12:42] <yofel> balachmar: do you have a custom debconf package?
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> I just updated/upgraded and dident have that problem.
[12:42] <joaopinto> alvin, recovery mdoe does not start X
[12:42] <Dr_Willis> im on 64bit also.
[12:43] <yofel> balachmar: I'm on i386 but I have both packages installed here already fine...
[12:43] <yofel> and the gstreamer package has the same version as you have
[12:43] <yofel> what's your debconf-i18n version?
[12:49] <balachmar> yofel: I didn't change anything myself to the debconf package, so it shouldn't be custom right
[12:49] <yofel> odd
[12:50] <balachmar> will check the versions in a moment
[12:52] <balachmar> plugins-ugly : 0.10.18-1ubuntu1 and debconf-i18n : 1.5.28ubuntu4
[12:52] <balachmar> also using i386
[12:54] <hemanth> anyone here playing with fglrx ?
[12:55] <Lademord> Hey all, lucid was working fine yesterday, but today some 'notification applets' or something (including the network manager) crash on startup, which leaves me unable to connect to the internet. I needed to boot Win7 in order to just get in here
[12:55] <Dr_Willis> Lademord:  Hmm. No issues like that here..  Doing updates now..
[12:57] <Lademord> hmm.. now that I think about it, maybe the no-internet-connection issue was related to my router freezing... But in any case, stuff in the notification area still breaks, and for some reason the theme (metacity, folder look etc.) keeps reverting back to the old, grey GNOME look
[12:57] <Dr_Willis> Try making a new user - see if it affects them also.
[12:59] <Lademord> I'll try that, thanks
[13:07] <c0vert> is it a known issue when i close my lid on my laptop it can't recover?
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> c0vert:  i got idnetical issue on my netbook
[13:07] <oneirosFade> c0vert:  You has swap?
[13:07] <oneirosFade> Appropriate swap, that is
[13:07] <Dr_Willis> I set mine to just turn off the light. and it still crashes/locks up hard
[13:08] <c0vert> i let ubuntu do its thing, it seems to be large enough
[13:08] <JSund> c0vert: what is your setting for closing the lid - suspend to ram?
[13:08] <oneirosFade> I have an issue where when I unplug or plug back in, it locks the desktop, then when I put in the pass to unlock it, it goes into sleep mode
[13:08] <c0vert> suspend, yes
[13:08] <oneirosFade> Only just now thought of it
[13:09] <JSund> does suspend to ram work if you don't close the lid?
[13:09] <JSund> what model do you have? some computers have known problems with suspend to ram
[13:09] <c0vert> it's an amd64
[13:11] <JSund> what model is the entire computer? there are usually other parts that affects the ability to suspend to ram
[13:11] <c0vert> acer 5535-6280
[13:12] <om26er> which command will show me all the boot messages
[13:13] <c0vert> it would work fine on previous versions of ubuntu. unless it was hibernating and not suspending by default
[13:14] <JSund> c0vert: according to https://wiki.edubuntu.org/LaptopTestingTeam/Old/acerAspire5535 it seems as if it doesn't work
[13:16] <c0vert> jdobrien,  that's weird because it worked in 9.* unless like i said it was set to hibernate by default?
[13:17] <c0vert> JSund even
[13:18] <BlaDe^> hi since updating to lucid my wireless doesn't work. it always drops connection
[13:19] <BlaDe^> the only way to get it back Is a shutdown and reboot. just restartin doesn't fix it
[13:19] <BlaDe^> in the kernel log it days ath5k phy0 gain calibration timeout and spans it on different frequencies
[13:20] <JSund> c0vert: strange... unfortunately, I can't recall where I found troubleshooting guides for suspend issues
[13:20] <c0vert> BlaDe^, you can't fix it with ifconfig or iwconfig?
[13:21] <BlaDe^> negative even ifup and ifdown or modrem and modproe didn't fix it
[13:21] <BlaDe^> I came here a few days that's what was suggested
[13:22] <BlaDe^> also updated the backport wireless package
[13:22] <c0vert> hmm, using the native driver?
[13:22] <BlaDe^> yeah
[13:22] <BlaDe^> on kar
[13:22] <c0vert> tried ndiswrapper to see if it works any better?
[13:23] <BlaDe^> on karmic it was all fine since updating it drops after like 15mins at best
[13:23] <BlaDe^> nope I haven't
[13:23] <BlaDe^> would you like to see the kernel log?
[13:23] <c0vert> not really, i wouldn't know what i'm looking at
[13:23] <BlaDe^> ok
[13:23] <c0vert> are you fully updated?
[13:24] <BlaDe^> up to a few days ago,
[13:24] <c0vert> 2.6.32-21?
[13:24] <BlaDe^> hard to update it keeps dropping
[13:25] <aphoid> Hey,  I'm trying to run 10.4 beta Netbook remix on a thinkpad X40.  If I install the 10.4b1 CD, it works (although the 3d launcher is slower than it was on alpha 3), but if I let Synaptic update, the screen goes blank on boot.
[13:26] <aphoid> It is unresponsive:  I can't use ctrl-alt-f1 (etc) to get to a command prompt.....
[13:26] <coz_> aphoid,  mm completely blank?
[13:26] <BlaDe^> c0vertt how do I check?
[13:26] <c0vert> BlaDe^, uname -a works
[13:27] <BlaDe^> yeah i'm on 2.6.32-21
[13:27] <aphoid> I see the boot process starting and the Ubuntu splash appears momentarily, but other than that, the screen is just black (not disabled:  I can see that the backlight is still on.
[13:27] <c0vert> well one thing on google says the guy disabled his wifi card in the bios, let ubuntu load up, shut down then reenabled and it fixed it
[13:28] <BlaDe^> for me?
[13:28] <c0vert> BlaDe^, yea
[13:28] <BlaDe^> ok I'll try that
[13:28] <aphoid> My wifi light does flicker for a bit, so I don't think the machine is completely dead, but it is unresponsive to keyboard/mouse.
[13:28] <c0vert> BlaDe^, http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-947974.html it's here
[13:29] <BlaDe^> I'm on my iPhone ATM but Ill try to read it
[13:29] <c0vert> aphoid,  can't switch using alt-f1 f2 etc?
[13:29] <c0vert> BlaDe^, it doesnt matter just try it lol
[13:29] <jo-erlend> how do I upgrade ubuntu server to lucid? I have a vm I'd like to test.
[13:29] <h00k> if I were to look for ipv6 support, where would I check to make sure it's enabled on Lucid?
[13:30] <Pici> jo-erlend: do-release-upgrade -d
[13:30] <jpds> h00k: Enabled? It's always enabled by default.
[13:30] <c0vert> h00k,  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/IPv6
[13:30] <h00k> jpds: that's what I thought
[13:30] <coz_> jo-erlend,  did you try   sudo update-manager -d
[13:31] <aphoid> c0vert, nope.  Nothing.  The keyboard doesn't seem to do anything (capslock keys are unresponsive too.
[13:31] <c0vert> aphoid,  can you boot in to failsafe?
[13:31] <BlaDe^> c0vert I don't think my bios supports disabling f hardware
[13:31] <aphoid> I don't have a grub menu.  is there a way to force one to appear on boot?
[13:32] <c0vert> good question, i've never had to try
[13:32] <c0vert> BlaDe^, that's weird..
[13:32] <aphoid> It normally just boots straight to the launcher.  (I have an SSD, so it normally takes only about 20 seconds to cycle.....
[13:32] <BlaDe^> I set network boot to off that's the only thing which mat
[13:33] <BlaDe^> may do it*
[13:33] <sab> i was trying to delete some thing from my home folder but i cant,i got a crash prog??what happened?i m a new user can anyone please help me?
[13:34] <c0vert> BlaDe^, that's a totally different thing
[13:34] <sab> again before starting my ubuntu it was giving me some msg like "broken file;can not be wirte"
[13:35] <yofel> aphoid: you can show the grub menu by holding left shift pressed after the bios screen
[13:35] <BlaDe^> ah ok I figured as it didn't work
[13:35] <c0vert> BlaDe^, are you using the madwifi drivers?
[13:36] <mgj> I plan to upgrade to 10.04 as soon as its released, should i install 9.10 or the 10.04 beta2 ?
[13:37] <ToxinPowe> mgj: rc tomorrow
[13:37] <yofel> mgj: upgrade from where?
[13:37] <mgj> from a fresh install
[13:37] <h00k> Oh, Ubuntu Wallpapers Extras had an ititial release today
[13:38] <c0vert> fresh is key
[13:38] <h00k> oh, it looks like it's the ones that were in Karmic
[13:38] <mgj> hmm, i probably should wait till tomorrow
[13:38] <yofel> mgj: fresh install isn't an upgrade, and use a daily iso if you want to try it today
[13:38] <mgj> but if i install today.... 9.10 or 10.04 beta2 ?
[13:38] <ToxinPowe> rc tomorrow I'll choose :s
[13:38] <mgj> yofel: I mean, i want to upgrade the install to 10.04 asap
[13:38] <mgj> ToxinPowe: patience is not my strong side im afraid
[13:39] <yofel> mgj: yes, try a daily iso and if you have issues with it use 9.10
[13:39] <yofel> there won't be much of a change between todays daily and the rc tomorrow
[13:39] <micha_> Hi, is there a technical cause for libgl1-mesa-dri to depend on libdrm-radeon1 ?
[13:39] <mgj> Alright, thanks.... Kindda surprised you recommend the daily iso instead of beta2 tho
[13:40] <yofel> mgj: a LOT has changed and been fixed since beta2
[13:40] <yofel> !daily
[13:40] <Dimmuxx> daily iso is release candidate/final more or less now
[13:41] <yofel> mgj: and todays daily builds are the candidate images for the rc tomorrow, they might be identical if they don't change anything
[13:41] <aphoid> leftshift does get me to the Grub menu, but now I'm getting some weird, unrelated to linux after holding down "shift" too early.
[13:41] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: and a lot broken too :)
[13:41] <robin0800> yofel: seen no updates last two days
[13:41] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: not much for me, or do you mean gnome related?
[13:42] <BlaDe^> covert no ath5k I think
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> yofel: you lost your 'coma' bag? or are just word hungry?
[13:42] <BlaDe^> I havnt installed anything custom
[13:42] <mgj> yofel: i see
[13:42] <BUGabundo_remote> robin0800: same here
[13:42] <yofel> robin0800: there were some, but only stuff that not many people use
[13:43] <BUGabundo_remote> other then daily ppas, I haven't got any updates
[13:43] <sab> before starting my ubuntu it was giving me some msg like "broken file;can not be wirte";i was trying to delete some thing from my home folder but i cant,i got a crash prog??what happened?i m a new user and using lucid; can anyone please help me?
[13:43] <yofel> BUGabundo_remote: well, KDE still work fine here, takes a bit longer to login though
[13:43] <robin0800> yofel: daily is dated 19th !
[13:44] <yofel> robin0800: oh, you're right
[13:44] <charlie-tca> robin0800: because it is the pre-RC release being tested for tomorrows release
[13:45] <mgj> BUGabundo_remote: the daily iso has broken stuff in it, 1 day from becomming a release candidate? Thats cutting it kindda close. What kind of broken are we talking about?
[13:45] <zetheroo> is Lucid pretty good and ready?
[13:45] <robin0800> charlie-tca: might as well wait then
[13:45] <aphoid> Bios issue was apparently a self-test....  The Ubuntu issue appears to be kernel related.  If I use GRUB to do a normal boot into 2.6.32-20, it works fine, but if I do the same with 2.6.32-21, it exhibits the same lockup.
[13:45] <charlie-tca> or use it, because at this time, it doesn't look like it will change for the RC
[13:45] <yofel> sab: errr... huh? before starting would be when your pc was turned off, so *when* exactly? and can you give a bit more details what you got?
[13:47] <aphoid> If I "recovery" boot into 2.6.32-21 and then manually "startx" at the command-line, I get the same lockup.  I guess I'll uninstall the most recent kernel
[13:47] <dp_> I'm using lucid, and for the past 2 days, there've been no updates to packages via apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade; is that right?
[13:48] <yofel> dp_: depends on what you're using but it's possible
[13:48] <dp_> just seems strange
[13:48] <yofel> not really, we're in pre-release freeze
[13:48] <dp_> usually come in in the mornings, and have ~50 package updates
[13:48] <dp_> ah
[13:48] <dp_> didn't know that
[13:49] <yofel> dp_: see the status field on https://edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid
[13:50] <dp_> yofel: which means that only bug fixes will be allowed, right?
[13:50] <Dr_Willis> Yep - with a few exceptions perhaps.
[13:50] <yofel> yes
[13:51] <dp_> ok
[13:51] <hadoop> i want to delete a file from my home folder,but i cant,can any one please tell me how to do it?
[13:51] <dp_> makes much more sense now
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  check the ownership/permissions   to see why you cant.
[13:51] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  then if needed use 'sudo rm filename'
[13:51] <dp_> yofel: has 11.x started?  I'd go to that ;)
[13:51] <yofel> dp_: see the bottom of https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/lucid-changes/2010-April/date.html to see what was uploaded last
[13:51] <mgj> yofel: Im kind of worried about BUGabundo_remote's comment about the daily iso being broken compared to beta2. Something you can confirm/deny? I know its beta and all, but i still prefer "working" over "Shiny but broken"
[13:52] <aphoid> Where should I look for a log of a kernel panic or the like?
[13:52] <yofel> dp_: huh? not even 10.10 has been started yet as 10.04 isn't even out yet :P
[13:52] <hadoop> Dr_Willis, even i tried with sudo but its giving me this error,......hadoop is not in the sudoers file.  This incident will be reported.
[13:52] <dp_> yofel: well, isn't 10.10 still lucid?
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> a beta 2 install would need like another 500mb of updates to even be up to date. :)
[13:52] <mgj> Thats fine, i got broadband =P
[13:52] <dp_> or will it be m<something> ?
[13:52] <yofel> dp_: no, 10.10 is maverick meerkat
[13:52] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  you need to use sudo as your admin user. the first user you made
[13:53] <dp_> yofel: ah.  so there aren't sources for maverick at all, right?
[13:53] <BlaDe^> c0vert still here?
[13:53] <c0vert> somewhat
[13:53] <hadoop> Dr_Willis, even i tried from admin user but i was unable!!and i got a crash programme !!
[13:53] <yofel> mgj: not that I know of, I haven't tested the iso lately, maybe you can get feedback in #ubuntu-testing
[13:53] <BlaDe^> http://pastebin.com/APF2pDmp <- that's a log from today
[13:53] <yofel> dp_: no, they will be created a few days after lucid is out
[13:53] <BlaDe^> http://pastebin.com/gNSCGKML <- that's a log from a few days ago when I came here trying to fix it
[13:53] <dp_> yofel: figured.  alrighty, thanks!
[13:53] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  be more clear. If your admin user had that same error message.. then  it wasent the admin user..
[13:53] <c0vert> BlaDe^, try madwifi
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  what is the filename anyway?
[13:54] <BlaDe^> can I get that via apt?
[13:54] <BlaDe^> i did a search for it but was't there
[13:54] <c0vert> no idea i don't use that
[13:54] <hadoop> Dr_Willis, its hadoop
[13:54] <c0vert> BlaDe^, you can however try ndiswrapper though
[13:54] <BlaDe^> and how do I do that?
[13:54] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  so 'ls -l hadoop' shows what permissions/owner of the file?
[13:54] <duffydack> netbook remix installed since beta1, all updated, still getting plymouthd error after bootup. nothing bad happens, it just comes up in panel as an alert.
[13:54] <c0vert> BlaDe^, just google ndiswrapper ath5k
[13:55] <hadoop> Dr_Willis,-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 44575568 2010-04-21 13:51 hadoop-0.20.2.tar.gz
[13:55] <hadoop> Dr_Willis, i m novice user dont know that much
[13:55] <mgj> yofel: Will try, thank you
[13:55] <BUGabundo_remote> mgj: I never said such a thing. please re-frame from assuming I said anything like that. I consider it ofensive! :(
[13:56] <Dr_Willis> hadoop:  so 'sudo rm hadoop-0.20.2.tar.gz' should remove it.. if hadoop is the sudo rights user.
[13:56] <mgj> BUGabundo_remote: dont lie, "BUGabundo_remote: yofel: and a lot broken too :)"
[13:56] <jo-erlend> Pici, thanks. I got disconnected, but that worked.
[13:57] <yofel> mgj: well, *I* didn't notice much of that, but I use Kubuntu too, so I don't notice any gnome related breakage
[13:57] <yofel> mgj: we did have a few issues since beta2 indeed, but most of that was fixed
[13:57] <BUGabundo_remote> mgj: no where in there I refer to daily iso!
[13:57] <hadoop> Dr_Willis, i am getting some weired msg before starting ;like before starting ubuntu its giving me "broken file;can not write"
[13:58] <BlaDe^> hadoop I get that too
[13:58] <BlaDe^> broken pipe I think it says
[13:58] <mgj> BUGabundo_remote: Then you misread something. Im sorry, did not realize that. It was a direct response to "A lot have been changed from the beta2 to the daily iso".
[13:58] <hadoop> BlaDe^, whats that?
[13:58] <BlaDe^> not sure
[13:58] <om26er> Why is my swap memory in use (so much)?
[13:58] <mgj> yofel: Yeah i could imagine. I basicly just want an installer that works without too many problems. Can always upgrade to the newer and better once the system is installed
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> $ free
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> Mem:       4060216    4005308      54908          0     172200    2132936
[13:58] <BUGabundo_remote> Swap:      4883752       4036    4879716
[13:59] <om26er> The netbook have 1gig ram consumes ram is 353 and consumes swap memory is 900
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> om26er: I don't see much use
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> memory leak somewhere?
[13:59] <BUGabundo_remote> om26er: what does atop 'm' say?
[13:59] <mgj> damn.... my laptop with 256mb ram doesnt even use that much swap
[14:00] <patdk-wk> consumed swap is 4megs :)
[14:00] <mgj> patdk-wk: talking about om26er's 900mb swap usage
[14:00] <om26er> BUGabundo_remote, what is that?
[14:00] <patdk-wk> oh hehe I just realized that was bug's post :)
[14:01] <patdk-wk> heh, I don't have swap usage
[14:01]  * duffydack boots lucid cd, chooses usbstick as install device, thinking is it really that simple
[14:01] <patdk-wk> I did some lucid-server pxe netboot installs last night, they went good
[14:02] <patdk-wk> much much faster than older pxe netboot's
[14:03] <om26er> the used swap is increasing rapidly now its 1GB
[14:03] <patdk-wk> well, what program is causing that?
[14:04] <om26er> not sure, just closed all running programs
[14:05] <patdk-wk> I have always had firefox chew though ram, have seen it using >12gigs a few weeks ago
[14:05] <mgj> =O
[14:05] <viliny> patdk-wk: thats impressive
[14:05] <patdk-wk> well, 8gigs ram in this machine, and 8gigs swap
[14:05] <patdk-wk> normally only 3gigs ram in use
[14:05] <mgj> 200 tabs of youtube or what?
[14:05] <patdk-wk> no, only 8 tabs
[14:05] <patdk-wk> no youtube
[14:05] <patdk-wk> in fact, no flash tabs open :)
[14:06] <viliny> mine maxes out at 300mb usage
[14:06] <jakexks> om26er, something is obviously leaking memory
[14:06]  * om26er kills X
[14:06] <om26er> brb
[14:06] <patdk-wk> viliny, mine normally sits around 300megs, but after a week or so, goes to 1-2gig
[14:06] <patdk-wk> but I haven't seen it climb >3gig before
[14:07] <patdk-wk> I restarted firefox yesterday, currently at 224megs
[14:08] <om26er> and now back to normal
[14:09] <om26er> Previously I was having a problem which came after beta1 where my hard drive acted mad. Today I installed Lucid with swap so now I know what the problem is :)
[14:09] <patdk-wk> heh, I has having all kinds of odd isues last night :)
[14:09] <patdk-wk> come to find out my scsi cable was bad :(
[14:16] <BluesKaj> hey folks
[14:20]  * glance just hates that mountall daemon....
[14:21] <joaopinto> glance, mountall is not a daemon, it's an utility :)
[14:21] <glance> mountall --daemon <- thats a daemon.
[14:21] <joaopinto> and you better love him :)
[14:22] <alvin> needs some holy water
[14:22] <joaopinto> no it's no, it will not turn into a "debug" when you use --debug :)
[14:22] <joaopinto> not
[14:23] <glance> for some darn reason, mountall never emits the signal filesystem ...
[14:23] <glance> and do i have any way of logging in to the machine before that?
[14:24] <glance> of corse not.
[14:24] <joaopinto> glance, is it blocking boot ?
[14:24] <glance> jupp
[14:24] <joaopinto> there is a bug reported about that
[14:24] <joaopinto> anyway you may be interested in: http://handypenguin.blogspot.com/2010/04/when-recovery-mode-fails-to-boot.html
[14:25] <joaopinto> let me check the bug br, it does emit because its prompting on a mount error
[14:25] <joaopinto> but you can't see it because plymouth did not start yet
[14:25] <joaopinto> and plymouth is waiting for mountall :D
[14:25] <glance> i know how to break into a machine...
[14:26] <joaopinto> you are most likely getting bug 507881
[14:27] <joaopinto> which should be fixed post RC freeze
[14:27] <glance> http://img441.imageshack.us/i/mountall.png/
[14:27] <glance> there it hangs
[14:27] <Dr_Willis> im scared we will be seeing plymouth updates uptill release day :)
[14:28] <joaopinto> glance, right now it hangs on any fs related error during mounts which happens too quick
[14:29] <BluesKaj> no updates for 2days here , Dr_Willis , and medibuntu seems to be down , still.
[14:29] <Dr_Willis> i got a mirror for that. :)
[14:29] <joaopinto> Dr_Willis, I am scared with plymouth/mountall on the LTS, but let's trust the developers :)
[14:29] <alvin> or bug 563916
[14:30] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, care to share the mirror ?
[14:30] <alvin> Hmm, there's also no message about what goes wrong. It's not only the [S]kip and [M]anual. The missing filesystem is also missing.
[14:31] <alvin> No idea why it's called 'mountall'. before mountall, I had more mounted filesystems.
[14:31] <Dr_Willis> was on a webupd8.com artical on the newsa feeds
[14:32] <Dr_Willis> http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[14:36] <Urda> is there a way to prevent 10.04 from automouting my Windows Partitions? I don't care to use them in ubuntu and I don't want to seem them :\
[14:36] <joaopinto> Urda, are they configured on /etc/fstab ?
[14:37] <Urda> joaopinto: nope, just my linux partition and swap
[14:38] <joaopinto> hum, right i have no idea, but it' also mounting for me
[14:38] <Urda> joaopinto: and since those are ext4 and swap ... Windows can't seem them no matter what so all good there. But Ubuntu shows "Windows 7" my main part, and System Reserved the windows special part
[14:38] <Urda> . /media/Windows 7/ and /media/System Reserved/
[14:39] <Guest29868> Hi all
[14:39] <Guest29868> How do you calibrate a touch screen in 10?
[14:41] <judgen> How do i get the rhythmbox system tray icon to work?
[14:48] <BluesKaj> Dr_Willis, thanks for the mirror, but why the separate medibuntu.list ?
[14:49] <joaopinto> it's a good practice to keep repositories on their own .list
[14:49] <BluesKaj> I just added the debs to the sources.list after getting the key
[14:49] <BluesKaj> good practice , how ?
[14:50] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, because you have configuration fragments instead of a huge messed up list :) ?
[14:51] <judgen> where is the setting to get rhythmbox into the systray?
[14:52] <glance> hmm...
[14:52] <Guest29868> I have my touch screen working on ubuntu 10.4 but its been detected inverted the up and down and left and right and vice versa is there anyway to fix this?
[14:52] <glance> somethimes mountall doesn't mount all systems in fstab
[14:53] <glance> ex. now i have a boot with mountall -v , and one filesystem isn't mounted.
[14:53] <BluesKaj> what's messed up about all the sources in one list . joaopinto ?
[14:54] <joaopinto> BluesKaj, sources are easier to manage if they are kept on their own group files
[14:54] <joaopinto> keeping the sources.list only for the official repositories
[14:55] <BluesKaj> manage by who ... i prefer to manage them in one list but , to each his own I guess
[14:55] <joaopinto> right, good practice does not mean everybody must follow it, it means it is recommended for most people
[14:56] <joaopinto> there is a lof of people ignoring best practices :)
[14:58] <atila> can anyone redirect me to some info about adding/replacing a networkcard/driver.. using nvidias on ubuntu 10.04(im a complete beginner @ linux)
[14:58] <judgen> joaopinto, I also prefer to have them in one file, so i dont have to edit alot of files when altering my lists in cli.
[14:59] <yofel> atila: NETWORK card from nvidia o.O?
[14:59] <judgen> yofel, probably the realtek chipset found in the nvidia mcp's.
[14:59] <yofel> hm, didn't know about them
[14:59] <judgen> yofel, its just a realtek network card anyways.
[14:59] <yofel> glance: and *which* filesystem isn't mounted now
[15:00] <duffy> I need to ssh into a box, but its a wireless network and only connects wirelessly when logged into a session, i want it to connect without being logged in ?
[15:00] <glance> it mounts all of them exept one.
[15:00] <glance> we have a /lap with all our localy compiled software , that lives on a separate lv
[15:00] <yofel> well ok, and what's that one? we have issues with usbfs and vboxfs and possibly others at the moment
[15:01] <glance> xfs
[15:01] <yofel> ah
[15:01] <joaopinto> glance, does it mount from an sulogin prompt ?
[15:01] <glance> i have hacked tty6.conf to start the getty earlier, and when i just issue mount /lap it mounts it, and all the signals propagate and the boot continues
[15:03] <joaopinto> glance, hum, that is odd, and seems to be a new problem, make sure you file a bug report
[15:03] <glance> in the output from mountall -v --daemon i can find that it figures out that "/lap is local"
[15:03] <glance> but i can't see any traces that it fsck's it and tries to mount it
[15:04] <glance> http://pastebin.com/NVWXUS7Y <- boot.log
[15:06] <joaopinto>  /lap is being skipped on the mountall loop, there must be a bug there
[15:08] <joaopinto> glance, the bug report would really help :)
[15:08] <mikebeecham> is there a general preference whether KDE is 'better' than gnome?  I know that better is a difficult term to define...is it just a case of overall aesthetic, or do the different distros do different things?
[15:09] <joaopinto> glance, try mountall --debug
[15:10] <BluesKaj> mikebeecham, they are the same distro , but use different desktop environments
[15:10] <BluesKaj> !desktop
[15:10] <mikebeecham> BluesKaj: so it would be just down to plain taste for what the end  user 'sees'
[15:10] <Pici> Yes.
[15:10] <mgj> I was trying to help a friend over the phone the other day. He wanted to make a backup of his ntfs drive. He got it mounted, he could copy files from it - awesome. However, he got "permission denied" when trying to copy any files from the "Documents and Settings" folder. This seems very, very strange to me, anyone have any ideas? And btw, sudo did not solve it
[15:11] <mikebeecham> i'm tempted somewhat by KDE at the moment, as a designer I appreciate the aesthetic...but not sure if it's worth the jump from gnome
[15:11] <mgj> mikebeecham: can't know without trying =)
[15:11] <BigRedS_> mgi, NTFS restrictions? AIU, the protected homedirs in Windows is implemented in the filesystem
[15:11] <joaopinto> glance, your manual mount was after mountall was completed
[15:11] <mikebeecham> mgj: true
[15:11] <mgj> i personally prefer fluxbox/gnome over kde, but im no designer
[15:11] <mikebeecham> mind you, I've not found ANY nice KDE themes as yet
[15:11] <BigRedS_> mgi, though I thought the ntfs modules ignored/got round it
[15:12] <mikebeecham> and I've tried on kde-look and deviantart
[15:12] <BluesKaj> mikebeecham, not exactly , there are some different apps that do similar jobs and both desktop share some apps , but they just look different .I 've tried both , but i prefer kde
[15:12] <glance> joaopinto: im trying to trigger it with --debug now...
[15:12] <glance> joaopinto: yes.
[15:12] <mgj> BigRedS_: AIU.... will need to look into that. Yeah, i thought ntfs-3g didnt care what settings windows might've set either
[15:12] <glance> joaopinto: or, still running
[15:12] <mikebeecham> BluesKaj: interesting...not sure yet what to do
[15:12] <mgj> BigRedS_: but apparently not, which surprised me and i could not help him =/
[15:12] <mikebeecham> I guess with Lucid I can download the KDE desktop and boot into either at login
[15:12] <BluesKaj> mikebeecham, what are on now. gnome ?
[15:13] <BluesKaj> are you on ?
[15:13] <BigRedS_> mgj, AIU = As I Understand
[15:13] <mikebeecham> BluesKaj: gnome...have been since I migrated to Linux complete
[15:13] <mgj> oh lol, thought it was a mechanism windows used for permissions on ntfs partitions =S
[15:14] <mgj> mikebeecham: you can do that in 9.10 as well
[15:14] <BluesKaj> ok mikebeecham . whynot install kubuntu-desktop , then you can choose which one at the login
[15:14] <mikebeecham> BluesKaj: yeah
[15:14] <BluesKaj> one can run both gnome and kde side by side
[15:14] <mikebeecham> mind you..again, if there are no themes that will please my eye it could be a bit of a wasted journey!
[15:15] <glance> joaopinto: triggerd the same bug but with another filesystem.
[15:15] <BluesKaj> no fun if you don't try :)
[15:15] <mgj> mikebeecham: nothing is ever wasted. At least you will probably learn something =)
[15:15] <mikebeecham> mgj: true
[15:16] <mgj> a bit of a stretch to call it a jouney tho..... aptitude install kubuntu-desktop -> log in using KDE session -> try it out..... =)
[15:16] <mikebeecham> going for it!
[15:16] <atila> yofel.. sry for my afk.. but yes.. its seems to be an onboard nforce card from nvidia on my hp 6140.se
[15:16] <mikebeecham> mgj...just gone for "sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop"
[15:16] <mgj> should be fine
[15:16] <mikebeecham> cool
[15:17] <mikebeecham> are there any good themes sites, apart from the two I mentioned earlier?
[15:17] <mikebeecham> or are they the main two?
[15:18] <mgj> doesnt gnome/kde have a built-in theme downloader these days?
[15:18] <duffy> is it iface eth1 inet (auto or dhcp) for dhcp?
[15:18] <mikebeecham> mgj, not sure
[15:18] <mgj> the auto keyword just enables it at boot afaik
[15:19] <mgj> mikebeecham: me neither
[15:19] <atila> can anyone redirect me to some info about adding/replacing a networkcard/driver.. using nvidias on ubuntu 10.04(im a complete beginner @ linux)
[15:19] <atila> sorry for the repeat.. but i was force to an afk
[15:19] <atila> forced*
[15:20] <hypatia> atila: you should mostly just need to do sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg at the console after you reboot
[15:20] <hypatia> and then if oyu want to install the proprietary drivers, do it in the gui
[15:20] <BluesKaj> hypatia, it's anetwork card not graphics
[15:21] <BluesKaj> atila, is your computer a laptop ?
[15:21] <atila> nah.. desktop
[15:21] <atila> hp 6140.sc(swedish)
[15:21] <hypatia> BluesKaj: haha, oops, i saw nvidia and it overwrote network card in my mind :)
[15:22] <BluesKaj> atila, run lspci in the terminal , look for network controller or some such
[15:23] <atila> says "Atheros Communications Inc. AR5413 802.11abg NIC"
[15:23] <joaopinto> glance, I am looking at mounall source code, nodev devices are supposed to have a "nobootwait" behavior
[15:24] <atila> but the thing is that, it doesnt work
[15:24] <joaopinto> but I assume an attempt tomount should be made
[15:24] <atila> wireless works with no probs
[15:24] <atila> when it comes to terminal-stuff.. im sooo lost
[15:25] <BluesKaj> atila, how are you connected to the internet with the hp 6140 ?
[15:25] <atila> wirless card works fine
[15:25] <atila> its just the eth0 thats messed up
[15:25] <atila> i get an ip number.. but thats it
[15:26] <atila> and im not connected with my eth0 to any router
[15:26] <Ken8521> lol, now there's a change of pace, wireless works, but eth0 doesn't..lol
[15:26] <atila> i know.. wierd
[15:26] <BluesKaj> atila, the eth0 is set up in your /etc/network/interfaces , check out what's listed there
[15:27] <atila> but i guess its a cheap crap card hp choose to use
[15:28] <atila> cant even find that dire
[15:28] <atila> dir*
[15:28] <BluesKaj> heh, I have the opposite problem , my belkin usb card won't connect with any of the network managers available
[15:28] <atila> interface doesnt exist o.0
[15:28] <BluesKaj> atila, alt+f2
[15:29] <atila> auto lo
[15:29] <atila> iface lo inet loopback
[15:29] <BluesKaj> atila, then in the terminal run , sudo dhclient eth0
[15:30] <glance> joaopinto: mountall is still running when i issued the "fixing" mount-cmd
[15:31] <atila> anything i should look for?
[15:31] <BluesKaj> atila, now run  sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[15:32] <joaopinto> hum
[15:32] <BluesKaj> atila, any output ?
[15:33] <glance> joaopinto: found something this time. the last status before it hangs is that it waits in a "try_mount: /lap waiting for device"
[15:33] <shadeslayer> is anyone using KDE+Gnome in lucid?
[15:33] <shadeslayer> both on the same machine.... how is the compatibility?
[15:34] <shadeslayer> like does gksu pop up instead of kdesudo dialogs in kde,etc
[15:34] <joaopinto> glance, which does not match with the source comments, it was not supposed to wait for the device :)
[15:34] <glance> nodev is a filesystem option, not a device-option...
[15:34] <BluesKaj> shadeslayer, I ran both for a while ,but it became a bit busy ., dupe apps etc
[15:34] <glance> it means that , "this device can't contain block or char files"
[15:35] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: eh?
[15:35] <joaopinto> glance, right, but which per the comments on the source is treated as "don't wait for the device to be available"
[15:35] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: like 1 app has 2 menu entries?
[15:36]  * glance just shakes his head
[15:36] <BluesKaj> well 2 apps that do the same thing , I guess
[15:36]  * shadeslayer likes the twitter integration with the top bar...
[15:36] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: oh.. i can handle that...
[15:36] <joaopinto> unless I am reading the source wrong :P
[15:36] <BluesKaj> twitter...bah humbug
[15:36] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: any way to confine KDE apps to KDE and gnome apps to gnome?
[15:36] <shadeslayer> BluesKaj: hehe
[15:37] <BluesKaj> dunno shadeslayer , wish i knew
[15:37] <Ken8521> shadeslayer, i think there is, but i'm not 100%
[15:37] <shadeslayer> hmm
[15:37] <Ken8521> i wish i was sure, cuz that is one thing i hate, is the mixing of the two OS's.
[15:37] <joaopinto> erm, wait, there is a nodev from cat /proc/filesystems
[15:37] <joaopinto> which is not related to the nodev on fstab
[15:37] <BluesKaj> Ken8521, they are the same OS, just diff desktops
[15:38] <Ken8521> i wanna try kubuntu 10.04, but i typically despisde KDE, so i don't want to leave it intertwined w/ gnome
[15:38] <Ken8521> BluesKaj, i'm aware of that
[15:38] <Yahweh> shadeslayer, there's very few kde or gnome apps, there's a lot of Qt and GTK apps, KDE is made in Qt, gnome is made in GTK, GTK apps can run in KDE, Qt apps can run in gnome
[15:38] <Ken8521> ok, mixing of the two desktops then
[15:38] <shadeslayer> Yahweh: i know...
[15:38] <thiebaude> :)
[15:38] <haavaros> Hi! Is the x11 record extension fixed in 10?
[15:39] <Ken8521> x11 record extension?...lol, thts one i never heard of
[15:39] <BluesKaj> I don't mean to be picky Ken8521 , but you're the 2nd person to say that today...don't wanna confuse the newppl
[15:39] <shadeslayer> Yahweh: what im asking is,is it possible to seprate the two? confine Qt to gnome and GTK to gnome
[15:39] <Yahweh> why?
[15:39] <Ken8521> Yahweh, ?.. you have to ask?
[15:39] <thiebaude> Ken8521, im going to try ubuntu studio 10.04 beta 2 to see if it fixes my problem
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Yahweh: ive been down the kde gnome mix up lane... its horrible
[15:40] <Ken8521> i agree w/ shadeslayer i'd love to be able to "separate" the two.
[15:40] <Yahweh> shadeslayer, they operate independent of each other
[15:40] <Ken8521> thiebaude, hmm, i doubt it will what makes you think it will?
[15:40] <Yahweh> you don't have to have KDE installed to have qt apps
[15:40] <shadeslayer> Yahweh: i understand,but i want to seprate them :P
[15:40] <Yahweh> shadeslayer, they're already separated
[15:40] <judgen> shadeslayer, you could set the kde application path to something else or you could install 3 different partitions with the system on them, and then have the /home one a third partition.
[15:41] <thiebaude> i'll try and see what happens
[15:41] <shadeslayer> judgen: bah...
[15:41] <Ken8521> Yahweh, are you just playing dumb?.. surely you can understand what he's saying
[15:41] <thiebaude> lol
[15:41] <Yahweh> Ken8521, No, I do not understand
[15:41] <Ken8521> Yahweh, when you install KDE "beside" Gnome... all the KDE apps, get put into yoru gnome, likewise if you install Gnome beside KDE.
[15:41] <Ken8521> he wants them separated
[15:41] <Yahweh> oh, then it's a piss poor description of his issue
[15:42] <Ken8521> Yahweh, not really, i understood him perfectly
[15:42] <Yahweh> the apps are no different
[15:42] <Yahweh> it's just some use Qt, some use GTK
[15:42] <Yahweh> why should they be separate?
[15:42] <Ken8521> Yahweh, you still don't get it
[15:42] <shadeslayer> Yahweh: because Qt apps dont go well with GTK themes
[15:42] <Yahweh> why would a Qt app use GTK themes?
[15:42] <thiebaude> thats for sure
[15:42] <shadeslayer> they simply look horrible
[15:42] <thiebaude> shade
[15:42] <thiebaude> lol
[15:43] <Ken8521> Yahweh, when he installs KDE... it's gonna put a crapload of apps in his Gnome menu, or if he installs Gnome, its gonna put a ton of crap in his KDE menu
[15:43] <judgen> shadeslayer, afaik there is gtk-qt and qgtk to remedy that if its just the looks-
[15:43] <Ken8521> that annoys me, more than the themeing issue
[15:43] <judgen> and the menus can be set to different paths.
[15:43] <shadeslayer> judgen: yeah i have qtcurve etc to correct that,but it still looks out of place...
[15:43] <judgen> ok
[15:43] <Ken8521> my Gnome menu goes from being a small, organized menu, to a 5 column mess
[15:44] <shadeslayer> judgen: a natural example would be open office in KDE and gnome
[15:44] <Yahweh> don't install big metapackages then
[15:44] <Yahweh> problem solved
[15:44] <Ken8521> lol
[15:44] <shadeslayer> judgen: kubuntu actually uses a open office kde theme to make it look integrated.. and yet it looks messy
[15:45] <BluesKaj> yup , that's whay I went with one desktop, themes aren't that important to me , and prefer the kde "look" to thegnome  "cartooney thing". :)
[15:45] <Ken8521> Yahweh, have you ever installed KDE on a Gnome system?
[15:45] <Yahweh> yeah
[15:45] <Yahweh> for nearly a decade now
[15:45] <Ken8521> ok.. then for whatever reason, either you're being intentionally dense, or something... you're not seeing what shades is saying.
[15:45] <Yahweh> this entire 'we call ubuntu with KDE kubuntu' thing is new to me
[15:45] <joaopinto> glance, you are right, I was confusing /proc/filesystems "nodev" with the mount "nodev " option
[15:45] <Ken8521> BluesKaj, but kde just always feel like i'm runnimng through water
[15:46] <iconmefisto> anyone know why my tty's don't start on boot? if I do sudo initctl list | grep tty  it lists all the tty's as "stop/waiting"
[15:46] <Ken8521> thiebaude, what makes you think ubuntu studio is going to fix your shutdown issue.. it hink they are the same kernel
[15:46] <judgen> Ken8521, what particular kde apps do you use that you prefer over the gnome equivalents?
[15:47] <BluesKaj> Ken8521, slow ?
[15:47] <thiebaude> i dont really know Ken8521 , but i think i will just go ahead and use studio
[15:47] <shadeslayer> screenshot time :P : http://imagebin.ca/view/kk522d4q.html
[15:47] <Ken8521> judgen, k3b, ktorrent, thats all i can think of at the moment, but there's a couple
[15:47] <shadeslayer> now look carefully,the arrows in OOo on the right and koffice on the left
[15:47] <Ken8521> thiebaude, never cared for studio personally.. have you looked at Mint?
[15:47] <judgen> Ken8521, you dont like transmission or brasero or even nero burning rom?
[15:48] <thiebaude> yes, i do like mint alot
[15:48] <thiebaude> mint 8
[15:48] <Ken8521> judgen, i hate, HATE brasero.. transmission doesn't bother me... actually here lately i've used it more than ktorrent
[15:48] <Ken8521> thiebaude, mint is solid.
[15:48] <shadeslayer> the windeco and the file,edit,etc menus in OOo and koffice... koffice blends in perfectly....
[15:48] <thiebaude> yes it is
[15:48] <thiebaude> out of the box ready to go
[15:49] <Ken8521> judgen, i don't like nero, i like Gnomebaker, its pretty good.. frankly i can't understand why they put brasero as the burner, over Gnomebaker, but go figure
[15:49] <judgen> Ken8521, ahead had a pretty nice price for Nero Linux 4. But ofcourse that "not free" thingie might get people turned off.
[15:49] <thiebaude> i like brasero alot
[15:49] <thiebaude> been using it a long time
[15:49] <Ken8521> thiebaude, only thing I don't like, is the "default" menu system.... but thats easily remedied in about 20sec... so i don't sweat it
[15:50] <thiebaude> yes it is, i changed it before to an ubuntu menu
[15:50] <Ken8521> judgen, i wouldn't have a prob paying for software, although i admit I've gotten spoiled the last few years by just being open up a package manager and download software i need.
[15:50] <Ken8521> thiebaude, thats honestly, the only thing i can think that i don't like about mint.
[15:50] <Ken8521> but i consider it a non-issue, since its a 10sec fix.
[15:51] <thiebaude> yep
[15:51] <tarzeau> hello
[15:51] <tarzeau> where's the team that takes official packages into ubuntu?
[15:51] <tarzeau> do they ever look at ppa repos?
[15:52] <Ken8521> tarzeau, well, i would consider that unlikely, since its a PPA
[15:52] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: no they dint
[15:52] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: you might want : #ubuntu-motu
[15:52] <shadeslayer> thats where most of the maintainers are
[15:52] <Ken8521> what does PPA mean anyway?
[15:52] <tarzeau> thank you
[15:52] <judgen> would be nice to have a way to uninstall gnome completley after installing xfce though.
[15:53] <tarzeau> personal package archive, Ken8521
[15:53] <Ken8521> oh ok.
[15:53] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: btw theres no rationale to look into PPA's,new packages are only introduced when upstream releases new versions
[15:53] <Ken8521> i got package archive.
[15:53] <Ken8521> ..
[15:53] <tarzeau> Ken8521, shadeslayer: well i put my newer update packages there, that i didn't find a sponsor in debian yet
[15:53] <tarzeau> shadeslayer: i wouldn't mind ubuntu having better, more updated packages...
[15:53] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: or when debian introduces new packages,in which case they are automagically synced
[15:54] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: newer is not always better
[15:54] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: and thats why we have PPA's
[15:54] <Ken8521> judgen, well, Gnome and Xfce are fairly intertwined, but i agree w/ you
[15:54] <tarzeau> shadeslayer: well, when the maintainer says so and they were tested?
[15:55] <judgen> shadeslayer, exactly, I like vlc but i still want to use 0.86* due to the fast skip ahead and all the other niceties.
[15:55] <tarzeau> shadeslayer: but i can't get any stats who is using my ppa
[15:55] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: well in that case we look at 2 things, 1) Has debian testing introduced the package and 2) At what stage of releasing ubuntu are we,if the archive is frozen then its a big no,thats why we have adopt a upstream
[15:56] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: #launchpad
[15:56] <tarzeau> shadeslayer: the point is in debian it's hard to find a sponsor, they're overloaded, so the whole thing getting it into sid, then testing takes a lot more time
[15:56] <BluesKaj> atila, how goes the eth0 connection ?
[15:57] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: you might want to look at REVU and Adopt a upstream
[15:58]  * shadeslayer installs ubuntu-desktop
[15:58] <tarzeau> shadeslayer: ok thank you, that's what they said in ubuntu-motu too
[15:58] <shadeslayer> tarzeau: :)
[15:58]  * Ken8521 infects shadeslayer's PC with Windows Vista
[15:59] <mikebeecham> so tried KDE
[15:59] <mikebeecham> no go
[15:59] <mikebeecham> lol
[15:59] <z0rt|work> haha
[15:59]  * shadeslayer is already infected with vista :(
[15:59] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, whats wrong w/ it
[15:59] <shadeslayer> mikebeecham: whats the issue?
[15:59] <Ken8521> shadeslayer, lol, poor fella
[15:59] <shadeslayer> Ken8521: hehe... i rarely use it
[15:59] <awc> well, I'm back. Booting hangs at "Adding 3004112k swap on /dev/sda6 Priority:-1 extents:1 across:3004112k" It hangs both on the regular boot and the "recovery"
[15:59] <mikebeecham> Ken8521: I guess I'm just used to gnome...it all looks very Windows-esque
[16:00] <mikebeecham> the whole pop up menu from the 'start' button is a big turn off for me
[16:00] <shadeslayer> mikebeecham: yeah,but you can say gnome looks macish
[16:00] <mikebeecham> not at all
[16:00] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, i think thats my main issue w/ KDE
[16:00] <Ken8521> other than its slow.
[16:00] <shadeslayer> mikebeecham: you can change the orientation to the top :P
[16:00] <mikebeecham> shadeslayer: you would need to install a finder bar to make it look like mac
[16:00] <shadeslayer> Ken8521: KDE slow? \o/
[16:00] <mininessie> i need some help with ubuntu i getting sh:grub instead of the normal grub menu i did the wubildr and that didn't work
[16:00] <mininessie> i need some help with ubuntu i getting sh:grub instead of the normal grub menu i did the wubildr and that didn't work
[16:00] <mikebeecham> gnome is uniquely linux, I would say
[16:00] <BluesKaj> atila, try this tutorial for eth0 networking without using a gui network manager ...works well on my old compaq pc : http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/setting-up-an-network-interfaces-file/
[16:01] <mininessie> i need some help with ubuntu i getting sh:grub instead of the normal grub menu i did the wubildr and that didn't work
[16:01] <mikebeecham> kde is a cross between windows and mac...I think they tried to help as many people as poss transition to linux with kde
[16:01] <shadeslayer> mikebeecham: heh... KDE has a better release cycle and introduces more features in every release,whats gnome last major release?
[16:01] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, i think it has *some* similarity to the old mac interface... but i agree w/ yo.. Gnome is Gnome.  KDE has Windows envy
[16:01] <joaopinto> awc, does the cursor move when you type ?
[16:01] <mikebeecham> shadeslayer: I'm not bashing KDE, as it's purely down to personal taste...I'm sure they release many more updates, etc
[16:01] <guntbert> !ot
[16:01] <Ken8521> shadeslayer, i personally don't need "latest greatest".. i like clean and functional
[16:01] <mikebeecham> I'm just saying that a lot of the design interface put me off
[16:02] <mininessie> i need some help with ubuntu i getting sh:grub instead of the normal grub menu i did the wubildr and that didn't work
[16:02] <shadeslayer> !patience | mininessie
[16:02] <awc> joaopinto, YES
[16:02] <mikebeecham> I'm an interface designer, so these are the elements I tend to look at first
[16:02] <awc> sorry for the caps
[16:02] <joaopinto> awc, it's most likely related to bug 507881
[16:02] <Ken8521> mininessie, ther'es been some issues w/ the wubi installer.
[16:02] <awc> joaopinto, is there a fix?
[16:02] <mininessie> Ken8521: aw
[16:03] <joaopinto> awc, not published yet, probably only after the RC
[16:03] <mikebeecham> although I cannot now put my pointer back to default for some reason..it's stuck on the kde one in gnome
[16:03] <joaopinto> there is a workaround on the bug report
[16:03] <Ken8521> mininessie, did you try to upgrade a 9.10 to 10.04
[16:03] <awc> well that would be nice, as I'll have to get in my system to do updates
[16:04] <mininessie> Ken8521: i have been using 10.04 since beta 2
[16:04] <iconmefisto> anyone know why my tty's don't start on boot? if I do sudo initctl list | grep tty it lists all the tty's as "stop/waiting"
[16:04] <Ken8521> mininessie, did you clean install 10.04 w/ wubi?.. or did you upgrade 9.10?
[16:04] <judgen> hehe im installing vlc 0.86 right now on lucid...
[16:04] <Ken8521> vlc=awesome-o
[16:04] <mininessie> Ken8521: do i replace wubildr in drive c: or what
[16:05] <Ken8521> mininessie, i honestly have no idea.. i stay as far away from wubi as possible
[16:05] <mininessie> Ken8521: i upgrade from 9.10
[16:05] <mininessie> Ken8521: well without it i couldn't get ubuntu installed
[16:05] <Ken8521> mininessie, why'st hat?
[16:06] <awc> thanks joaopinto its almost certainly that, I've been trying to get usb support for VB
[16:06] <mininessie> Ken8521: idk mybe because i am trying to do it on a macbook pro
[16:06] <Ken8521> mininessie, is it an intel?
[16:06] <gpmanrpi> I am running lucid upgraded from karmic, and it seems to be crashing on the gdm login screen.  I can start x as any user except for one on my box and I think that might be part of the problem.  Any advice on where to look for what is causing the problem?
[16:06] <Ken8521> awc, usb should work pretty good in the "non free" virtual box
[16:06] <mininessie> mininessie: maybe its the mid summer 2009 version
[16:07] <awc> thats what i have
[16:07] <joaopinto> awc, http://handypenguin.blogspot.com/2010/04/upgrading-to-lucid-with-virtualbox-usb.html :)
[16:07] <Sensiva> joaopinto's Website Title: Random thoughts and experiences with Ubuntu: Upgrading to Lucid with Virtualbox USB support renders the system unbootable
[16:07] <Ken8521> and usb doesn't work?
[16:07] <Ken8521> mininessie, does it have Windows on it(bootcamp w/ mac?)
[16:07] <Pici> Sensiva: Please disable that script in this (and other ubuntu) channel(s).
[16:07] <Sensiva> Pici done
[16:07] <Pici> Thanks :)
[16:07] <Sensiva> :))
[16:08] <mininessie> Ken8521: yes i put windows xp on it
[16:08] <jshriver> greetings
[16:08] <Ken8521> mininessie, then unnless you've done some very strange things i don't know about, its likely an Intel Mac
[16:08] <jshriver> Anyone know how to start the Wireless network manager that's in the top corner
[16:09] <Dr_Willis> nm-applet i think
[16:09] <z0rt|work> jshriver: i think it is gnome-network-manager
[16:10] <Ken8521> it didn't start when you booted up?
[16:11] <Brimstones> For Lucid you should add SQUID 3.x
[16:11] <awc> well, I'll if that works
[16:11] <Brimstones> as ACL names have changed a bit itll give many questions otherwise
[16:12] <Pici> Brimstones: squid 3 has been in the repositories for a while.  Its under the package name squid3
[16:12] <Brimstones> Aha, but squid 2 is the default. Same thing as people will use  >= 2.7 then
[16:13] <Pici> Well, we wouldn't want to break people's setups if apt forced them to upgrade from squid 2.x to squid 3.x
[16:13] <jshriver> ty
[16:14] <Brimstones> Pici: You know that these changes are inevitable.
[16:14] <jshriver> nope command not found
[16:14] <Brimstones> Pici: Sooner or later users/admins will have to update their confs
[16:15] <Brimstones> Maybe you can automate it
[16:15] <BluesKaj> bbiab , gonna switch to the laptop
[16:15] <awc> joaopinto, it worked!
[16:15] <Pici> Brimstones: Looks like thats how debian is naming their packages, so until squid(2.x) is dropped there, we probably won't be changing anything.
[16:16] <Ken8521> awc, sing the hallelujah chorus.. :)..
[16:16] <awc> haha
[16:16] <Brimstones> Its just a matter about removing "acl name all IP_NETMASK_HERE". Then theyll have to add "bytes" in 2 places or so.
[16:16] <awc> Gee I was up until 2am last night in here ad we couldn't figure anything out
[16:16] <iconmefisto> anyone know why my tty's don't start on boot? if I do sudo initctl list | grep tty it lists all the tty's as "stop/waiting"
[16:16] <Ken8521> awc, were you having the vbox booting question or something?.. i remember you having quite an issue...
[16:17] <jshriver> hrm says nm-applet is running but is not showing up in the tool bar at the top
[16:17] <Brimstones> Pici: Ok, ill see if it can be dropped. I also dont think apache 1.x should be used as per the Apache foundations raccommendations.
[16:17] <awc> yes, my boot was hanging
[16:17] <Ken8521> thats right
[16:17] <Ken8521> something about usb and vbox
[16:17] <iconmefisto> jshriver: kill it, and start it again
[16:17] <awc> we all thougth it had to so with my swap or something
[16:17] <jshriver> I tried, it's part of NetworkManager tried killing tha tprocess too but even after kill -9 it just autospawns
[16:19] <jshriver> happened after last update
[16:19] <awc> ok now a slightly smaller problem, which I would like to deal with now rather than later when it may cause more problems
[16:19] <awc> I have a partition which overlaps 2 other partitions
[16:20] <mininessie> sh:grub 10.04 grub help
[16:21] <BigRedS_> awc: what?
[16:21] <Ken8521> awc, how in the world is that possible?
[16:21] <awc> (I'm using the Disk Utility) there is the "Extended" -- /dev/sda2 and then my ext4 partition and swap partition
[16:21] <awc> I have absolutley no idea
[16:21] <BigRedS_> awc: Ah, so you have two primary partitions in an extended partition
[16:21] <BigRedS_> that's right and normal
[16:21] <BigRedS_> If I've interpreted it correctly.
[16:21] <awc> i think so
[16:22] <Ken8521> yeah, thtas normal.
[16:22] <awc> ahh ok
[16:22] <Ken8521> i do't think that actually means you have overlapping partitions.. that would be something to see..lol
[16:22] <awc> something was said last night which made it seem to me that it was abnormal
[16:22] <BigRedS_> Check the wikipedia article(s) on extended partitions and/or disk partitioning. IIRC there's a reasonably good explanation of what's going on in there
[16:22] <mininessie> sh:grub 10.04 grub help
[16:23]  * BUGabundo_remote puts helmet on
[16:23] <Pici> mininessie: Is that a question?
[16:23] <BUGabundo_remote> " I’ll outline the arc of our work on indicator menus to date, and the trajectory we expect it to follow. We’re about a year into the effort, all told, and I think it will take another 18 months before we can consider it baked. It should be done by 12.04 LTS"
[16:23] <BUGabundo_remote> oh god.... one more year of this :S
[16:23] <mininessie> Pici: i need help i tried to wuildr fix and it didn't help
[16:24] <Pici> mininessie: Please ask your question in a full sentence all on one line with as much details as you can.
[16:24] <awc> well, I've just deleted my windows partitions, how can I add the reclaimed space to my ext4 system?
[16:24] <BUGabundo_remote> awc: gparted ?
[16:25] <awc> ty
[16:25] <mininessie> Pici: i am running ubuntu 10.04 i used wubi to install 9.10 and upgrade to 10.04 now instead of the regular grub i am getting sh:grub and something about tabbing
[16:25] <mininessie> Pici: and i already tried the wubildr fix and that didn't help
[16:26] <Ken8521> awc, are you removing windows for good?
[16:26] <awc> yep
[16:26] <Ken8521> congratulations. :)
[16:26] <awc> works better in VB anyways
[16:26] <Dr_Willis> 'oh the humanity!'
[16:26] <Ken8521> awc, what do you still need windows for?
[16:26] <awc> if I absolutley HAVE to use it that is
[16:27] <awc> erm, nothing?
[16:27] <awc> i have an ipod, and its been acting up lately
[16:27] <Ken8521> awc, i have to have to sync my zune...
[16:27] <mininessie> Pici: can you help me
[16:27] <Pici> mininessie: I cannot, but perhaps someone else here can.
[16:27] <awc> it freezes everytime I try and play music
[16:27] <Ken8521> awc, i sync my ipod via itunes in vbox as well...
[16:28] <awc> ya, rythmbox isn't quite there yet
[16:28] <Ken8521> awc, gtkpod is pretty good, if you've used it.
[16:28] <awc> so anyways how can I add the unallocated space to say sda2?
[16:28] <awc> tried that, it refused to accept my ipod
[16:28] <Ken8521> hmm.
[16:28] <awc> its a 3rd gen touch
[16:28] <Dr_Willis> gparted lets you resize partitions.
[16:29] <Ken8521> oh ok..
[16:29] <Dr_Willis> delete the windows.. enlarge the linux
[16:29] <Ken8521> yeah, gparted, you should just be able to use the little slider to enlarge the partition
[16:29] <awc> ahh ok
[16:29] <thebishop> is there a way to move a logical partition out of it's extended "bubble"
[16:29] <Ken8521> it takes forever though, depending on the amount of space
[16:29] <Dr_Willis> issue may be if its primary/logical partiions.. and you proberly want to do this from a live cd.
[16:29] <iconmefisto> or create a new partition instead of resizing. much faster, and less risky
[16:30] <Dr_Willis> make new partition, move home to it :)
[16:30] <Ken8521> iconmefisto, that probably would be smarter
[16:30] <awc> hmm, gparted won't let me slide anything
[16:30] <alvin> If you feel up to it. Learn LVM. Partition (actually volume) resizing will be much easier and faster.
[16:31] <Ken8521> awc, are you on your install, or on a live cd?
[16:31] <Dr_Willis> issue may be if its primary/logical partiions.. and you proberly want to do this from a live cd.
[16:31] <awc> I'm on my install
[16:31] <Ken8521> if you're on your install, its likely cuz its mounted
[16:31] <iconmefisto> awc: partitions can't be mounted when you change things. livecd is good for this task
[16:31] <awc> ahh ok, thats why
[16:31] <Ken8521> awc, you'll have to do it from the live cd
[16:31] <awc> ahh ok
[16:31] <awc> well, thanks for the help guys
[16:31] <mininessie> i am running ubuntu 10.04 i used wubi to install 9.10 and upgrade to 10.04 now instead of the regular grub i am getting sh:grub and something about tabbing
[16:32] <TecnoBrat> awc: yea it has to be unmounded
[16:32] <iconmefisto> awc: but if it's just your windows partition, unmount it, then delete, create new partition
[16:32] <awc> ahh ok
[16:32] <awc> thanks
[16:32] <Ken8521> awc, you could do what iconmefisto is suggesting from your install.
[16:32] <Ken8521> it would just be a separate partition
[16:32] <awc> ahh ok
[16:32] <Ken8521> which isn't a big deal reall
[16:33] <awc> all the same partition would be better no?
[16:33] <iconmefisto> awc: still usable space though
[16:33] <awc> ofc
[16:33] <Ken8521> awc, not really better or worse, it would just a separate partition, but the space would be just as usable.
[16:33] <awc> mininessie you will have to update grub
[16:33] <awc> ok
[16:34] <mininessie> awc: how because i am running 10.4 and tried the wuildr fix but that didn't work
[16:34] <awc> I had the same probelm a few days ago, I used a live cd and did a GRUB-update
[16:35] <Ken8521> awc, on a wubi install?
[16:35] <awc> ohh wubi, sorry no
[16:35] <Ken8521> awc, unfortunately, wubi is... well. wubi.
[16:35] <thebishop> my Mouse preferences utility doesn't have a Touchpad tab.  How can I get it?
[16:36] <awc> ahh
[16:36] <mininessie> what would be nice is if i had a real live cd or had a perfectly burned cd
[16:37] <mininessie> because i tried to burn a dvd of 9.10 and it didn't run like the live cd
[16:38] <mininessie> does anyone know how to burn ubuntu 9.10
[16:38] <Ken8521> mininessie, well, what happens when you burn the cd?
[16:38] <Ken8521> how are you burning it, etc..
[16:38] <mininessie> mininessie: nothing out of the ordinary its when i install it i have problems
[16:39] <Ken8521> lol
[16:39] <iconmefisto> !md5sum
[16:39] <Ken8521> so you burn the cd, and boot it ok, but the problem comes when you install from it?
[16:39] <Ken8521> i have never md5'd a live cd...
[16:40] <Lord_Rahl> ? for anyone. how do I remove the home folders for the desktop?
[16:40] <Ken8521> i think the keys for burning a proper live cd, is obviously, 1. quality media, and 2. burn it slow.
[16:40] <Ken8521> Lord_Rahl, the home folders?
[16:40] <ojii> hi everyone
[16:41] <ojii> I tried to disable my touchpad using `/usr/bin/synclient TouchpadOff=1̀ and it did disable it, but only for about 3 seconds
[16:41] <ojii> anyone know how i can really disable it?
[16:42] <Ken8521> ojii, do you not have a touchpad tab inb sys/pref/mouse?
[16:42] <ojii> Ken8521, ?
[16:42] <iconmefisto> ojii: there's a little app called touchfreeze you may find useful
[16:42] <Ken8521> ojii, nevermind, i forgot it doens't allow completely disabling the touchpad
[16:43] <ojii> well what i'd actually love is that the touchpad is disabled when i plug in my mouse, but the udev script i found doesnt seem to work
[16:43] <ojii> so i tried if the command has any effect
[16:43] <ojii> and it doesn't seem to work (properly)
[16:43] <ojii> i'm on a mbp 5.1 btw
[16:43] <Ken8521> ojii, most laptops have a keyboard combination that disable the touchpad?.. i that just not acceptable?
[16:43] <Lord_Rahl> Ken8521, one sec uploading screenshot
[16:43] <ojii> Ken8521, this is a macbook, it can't even boot from usb, so i doubt it has useful keybindings
[16:43] <Ken8521> ojii, mine is function key f7
[16:43] <Lord_Rahl> Ken8521, http://tinypic.com/r/msyp8x/5
[16:44] <Ken8521> ojii, never used a macbook, dunno
[16:44] <ojii> Ken8521, F7 is 'previous title' (media)
[16:44] <Ken8521> Lord_Rahl, so whats the problem?..
[16:45] <ojii> Ken8521, i tried this: http://linuxtidbits.wordpress.com/2007/10/27/switch-automatically-mouse-and-touchpad/, should that generally work on lucid?
[16:45] <ojii> like the udev stuff and whatever
[16:45] <Lord_Rahl> The folder on the desktop are in my home folder. I do not want them on my desktop but I can not find where to tell it not to display them there
[16:46] <Ken8521> Lord_Rahl, can you delete them?
[16:46] <Ken8521> ojii, wel,l that from 07.. theres been so many changes to ubuntu since then, i'd be surprised if those instructions still apply
[16:46] <ojii> okay
[16:47] <ojii> you know a way to do that by any chance?
[16:47] <Lord_Rahl> Ken8521, nope not a option. I thought it was in gconfig-editor but I can not find the option
[16:47] <Ken8521> ojii, don't know if there still is, but there used to be a tool in the repositories, called gsynaptics, that worked for controlling touchpads.. but in addition to installing it, you had to add some things to xorg.conf
[16:47] <ojii> funny thing is if i disable touchpad in system->preferences->touchpad it also "auto-reenables" itself
[16:47] <Ken8521> !info gsynaptic
[16:48] <ojii> Ken8521, isn't the "touchpad" entry in preferences menu gsynaptics?
[16:48] <Ken8521> ojii, no, it is a separate utility.. the touchpad entry on /pref/mouse.. doesn't let you turn the touchpad off... gsynaptic did
[16:48] <ojii> great, in gsynaptics the "enable touchpad" checkbox is unchecked, however my touchpad works
[16:48] <ojii> Ken8521, i just entered gsynaptics in a shell and that very app opens
[16:49] <Dr_Willis> On the plus side.. aparently the synaptics people are working on some better linux drivers/support. :)
[16:49] <Ken8521> yeah, you need to make some entries to xorg.conf to make it work
[16:49] <ojii> on my other notebook i can just do "sudo modprobe -r psmouse" and touchpad is gone, on this one i cant
[16:49] <ojii> (that's why i don't want to generally disable it, since I don't know how to reenable it from shell)
[16:50] <ojii> and touchpads on MBP's are veeeery sensitive
[16:51] <Ken8521> ojii, now it was a while ago, but when i woudl disable my touchpad w/ synaptics, i would make an entry like this in my xorg.conf  http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=975421
[16:51] <Ken8521> ojii, note the 'InputDevice" is the one i'm talking about
[16:51] <Ken8521> the one w/ synaptics touchpad
[16:52] <mikebeecham> hi guys, I've just removed kubuntu-desktop, but it's left me with some issues...I wonder if I can get some help:  1) Cannot get rid of the Kubuntu splash screen, 2) Cannot put my pointers back to Ubuntu default
[16:52] <mikebeecham> can anyone help?
[16:52] <Ken8521> ojii, the one in post #8, is the one i'm taklung about.. sorry bout that
[16:52] <Lord_Rahl> Ken8521, I found the answer for knowledge sake : http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-newbie-8/desktop-showing-the-contents-of-home-folder-on-desktop-in-fedora-8-a-649528/
[16:52] <ojii> Ken8521, my xorg is http://dpaste.com/186192/
[16:53] <Ken8521> Lord_Rahl, not sure how you did that, never heard of that one
[16:53] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: choose your splash: sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[16:53] <Ken8521> ojii, try adding that section for the synaptic touchpad, and see if that lets you disable your touchpad
[16:53] <mikebeecham> iconmefisto_: I just want the one that came with Ubuntu Lucid back again
[16:53] <Lord_Rahl> Ken8521, remove KDE and install Gnome maybe screw it up
[16:53] <Ken8521> thats how i used to have to do it on a very old laptop,
[16:54] <Lord_Rahl> Ken8521, thanks
[16:54] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: then choose the ubuntu one. you should be presented with a list to choose from
[16:54] <ojii> Ken8521, just add it or merge it with the existing mouse entry?
[16:54] <Ken8521> ojii, just add it, thats what i would do(if you were going to try that)
[16:54] <ojii> Ken8521, okay let me restart x then
[16:54] <ojii> cu in a while hopefully
[16:54] <Ken8521> lol, ok
[16:54] <mikebeecham> icon thanks...I was only presented with one Ubuntu one out of 3...so I guess we'll see when I reboot
[16:54] <mikebeecham> lol
[16:55] <ojii> lol
[16:55] <ojii> guess i have to enable ctrl/alt/backspace first
[16:55] <Ken8521> ojii, i think you'll have to actually restart for that to take effect
[16:55] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: still here?
[16:55] <Ken8521> could be wrong though
[16:55] <mikebeecham> iconmefisto_: yup
[16:56] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: not sure if this is necessary, but after changing plymouth theme: sudo update-initramfs -u
[16:56] <ojii> Ken8521, now i got synaptics to run (?) what do i do?
[16:56] <ojii> can i modprobe -r it?
[16:56] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: so you just had the ubuntu splash theme listed?
[16:56] <Ken8521> ojii, open the gsynaptic package, and there should e a button to disable your touchpad.
[16:57] <mikebeecham> iconmefisto_: 3 options, 2 were for kubuntu and one was for Ubuntu
[16:57] <iconmefisto_> ok
[16:57] <ojii> Ken8521, how would i re-enable it from shell?
[16:57] <ojii> also it auto-enabled itself again
[16:57] <Ken8521> ojii, now that i don't know.
[16:58] <Ken8521> ojii, so you want it off when you start your laptop?
[16:58] <ojii> Ken8521, if i know a way to enable it, yes
[16:58] <ojii> enable it without a mouse that s
[16:58] <Ken8521> ojii, i guess i don't understand, i just install gsynaptics, and its controlling(turning on/off) my touchpad fine..
[16:59] <ojii> Ken8521, yea i can turn it off, for 5 seconds...
[16:59] <geekphreak> hello all
[16:59] <Ken8521> oh i see, enabling it w/o a mouse
[16:59] <Ken8521> that could be an issue
[16:59] <Dr_Willis> Theres a way to use the numpad as a mouse
[16:59] <geekphreak> hey guys question, after update did anyone have issues with kopete-cryptography plugin not installing?
[17:00] <Ken8521> ojii, what about this.. open a terminal w/ the keyboar dcommand(i can't remember what it is, i never use it)
[17:00] <geekphreak> Dr_Willis:  you here muuuuuuuuu :p
[17:00] <Ken8521> then type gsynapcis
[17:00] <ojii> Ken8521, yea but how would i do anything in gsynaptics?
[17:00] <Ken8521> then use the down arrow key on your laptop, to highlight the check box for "enable touchpad".. and hit the spacebard
[17:00] <ojii> also this whole discussion is pointless when i can't even disable it in the first place
[17:00] <Ken8521> i just did it like that and it worked fine
[17:01] <Ken8521> i thought you said it disabled?
[17:01] <geekphreak> hi Ken8521
[17:01] <Ken8521> hi geekphreak
[17:01] <ojii> Ken8521, it disabled it for 2-5 seconds
[17:01] <iconmefisto_> ojii: maybe give touchfreeze a try? it lets you disable touchpad
[17:01] <Dr_Willis> i alwyas look for laptops with touchpad off buttons. :)
[17:01] <Ken8521> hmm
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> You did check to make sur theres no fn-whatever keys to disable it? :)
[17:02] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, lol... mine has that as well
[17:02] <ojii> iconmefisto_, i did, but i don't just want to disable it during typing, i want it gone for good when i have a real mouse plugged in
[17:02] <Ken8521> actuall, i thought most laptops had that
[17:02] <ojii> Dr_Willis, this is a macbook pro, the keyboard is pretty useless
[17:02] <Dr_Willis> I belive the touchpad on after 5 sec thing. is because the hw manager is seeing/reactivating it.. or so ive seen mentioned in some chats in this channel last week
[17:03] <iconmefisto_> ojii: you can disable completely. just not automatically when mouse is plugged in
[17:03] <Ken8521> hmm
[17:03] <geekphreak> ojii:  though mac hhad good products
[17:03] <lontra> does it make sense that i haven't received any update on 10.04 for a couple of days? i.e. are updates starting to slow down as the release nears?
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> ojii:   Apple decided you DONT need to disable it.. so they have to be right! :0
[17:03] <Dr_Willis> geekphreak:  lies and marketing. :)
[17:03] <geekphreak> Dr_Willis: oh ok :)
[17:04] <ojii> Dr_Willis, yea... they also decided that booting from USB is bad. but that resizing (mounted) partitions on runtime is good...
[17:04] <Ken8521> lol
[17:04] <Ken8521> you guys wait, shuttleworth is gonna be the next steve jobs
[17:04] <Ken8521> almost is already
[17:04] <ojii> Ken8521, shuttleworth kicks steve's tiny little ass
[17:05] <acicula> lontra: yeah
[17:05] <Ken8521> i believe jobs has been sick for quite some time(cancer?) so that might be why he is frail
[17:05] <ojii> i'm giving up and going to have a beer with a mate, because beer > apples
[17:06] <acicula> hmmm beeer
[17:06] <Dr_Willis> Applejack
[17:06] <ojii> thanks for trying to help me tho Ken8521 and Dr_Willis
[17:06] <iconmefisto_> beer leads to apples?
[17:06] <Ken8521> ojii, sorry, hope you work it out.
[17:06] <acicula> apples leads to trees
[17:06] <lontra> acicula: thanks
[17:06] <ojii> Ken8521, i heard hammers are pretty useful to disable mousepads...
[17:06] <Ken8521> iconmefisto_, i think its "beer is better than apples".. as in, apple computers
[17:06] <lontra> yup steve jobs has pancreatic cancer ... a nasty nasty thing
[17:06] <Ken8521> ojii, lol... if thats the case, i got a 12ga that will disable it as well.
[17:07] <Ken8521> lontra, yeah, thats one of the bad ones
[17:07] <geekphreak> ojii: right, but make sure you are insured :)
[17:07] <ojii> geekphreak, not my notebook :D
[17:07] <iconmefisto_> what's one of the good ones?
[17:07] <Ken8521> iconmefisto_, true... but there's some that can be dealt w/ far easier than others..
[17:08] <iconmefisto_> Ken8521: yeah, I know. doesn't look good for him if that's what he has
[17:08] <Ken8521> yea.
[17:08] <lontra> he's clearly a fighter and wealthy to have had pancreatic cancer so long and still be alive
[17:09] <Ken8521> lontra, unfortunately.. i've got experience w/ family and cancer, and pancreatic is one of those that takes its time under most circumstances.
[17:09] <Ken8521> but.. 5yrs seems like an exceptionally long time
[17:10] <lontra> Ken8521: really? i had a friend whose dad died of that in like 1 year after diagnosis
[17:10] <allgandu> anybody found bug in the kernel update?...lucid not loading after restart?
[17:10] <lontra> allgandu: not here
[17:10] <Ken8521> lontra, yea.
[17:10] <Ken8521> allgandu, don't think so, its been working fine for me.
[17:11] <allgandu> whats your kernel version and also how do i check my kernel version in CLI...?
[17:11] <iconmefisto_> uname -r
[17:11] <Ken8521> allgandu, uname -r  or uname -a should show your kernel version
[17:12] <allgandu> 2.6.32-20-generic... this is stable for me .. the one i updated to doesnt load
[17:12] <Ken8521> hmm
[17:13] <iconmefisto_> allgandu: how far does it get?
[17:13] <allgandu> Ken8521, what is your version of the kernel?
[17:13] <Ken8521> -21 generic
[17:13] <Ken8521> working fien for me
[17:13] <allgandu> iconmefisto_, it stops on before the init frames
[17:14] <crucialhoax> How can I change the Ambiance theme color for the panels?
[17:15] <allgandu> Ken8521, iconmefisto_ also 2.6.32-21 doesnt provide powersave or cpu scaling options... in fact it disables it
[17:15] <Dr_Willis> for panels - cant you right click and customize the image/colors?
[17:16] <crucialhoax> Dr_Willis: I can, but then it leaves a black area then the system theme is the rest, I want to change the Ambiance theme itself. The panels are grey I would like something darker.
[17:22] <Zelozelos> Jordan_U if you're still here, it was a success, all my stuff has been restored
[17:23] <mikebeecham> iconmefisto_: worked a treat!!  Now, do you know how I can get back to my default pointers?  I've gone into appearance settings, but no choice works...it's stuck on oxy-white
[17:23] <iconmefisto_> anyone know why my tty's don't start on boot? if I do sudo initctl list | grep tty it lists all the tty's as "stop/waiting"
[17:24] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: can't be much help there. I'm gnome-ignorant
[17:24] <mikebeecham> ...and the period of time from logging into using the desktop has slowed right down to around 40 seconds or more
[17:24] <mikebeecham> since installing kubuntu-desktop
[17:24] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, thats the kubuntu effect on Gnome...lol
[17:25] <mikebeecham> Ken8521: but surely I've removed all of the kubuntu elements?
[17:25] <mikebeecham> eeep!
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen befor where you select a pointer theme.. THEN need to logout/back in
[17:25] <Dr_Willis>  they are supposed to change on the fly.. but sometimes that dosent work
[17:25] <Brimstones> TO Whom may fix it: The installation of the server PROFTPD in LUCID FAILS To create the servers Runtime Directory so the server CANNOT Start. Make sure that the package "PROFTPD" creates its runtime directory /var/run/proftpd (Tested 2 weeks ago)
[17:25] <mikebeecham> ok, will try that...be right back
[17:25] <Ken8521> mikebeecham, dunno, to me, KDE is like a virus, even when you remove it, there's still some of it in there
[17:25] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: what did you do to remove kubuntu?
[17:25] <charlie-tca> Brimstones: filed a bug, right?
[17:25] <Dr_Willis> if you change pointers.. you might notice thet some apps use the new ones.. and the apps running befor you changed still use the old.
[17:25] <mikebeecham> iconmefisto_: uninstalled via a command that Dr_Willis gave me
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> It can get all confuseing
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> Even with default gnome - ive seen this pointer issue
[17:26] <Brimstones> charlie-tca: Not any bug ive seen listed. Please check this in for me.
[17:26] <Dr_Willis> If you think KDE is bad.. try instlling KDE+Gnome+Lubuntu :)
[17:26] <charlie-tca> I can't actually, but if you have the issue, you should file a bug so it does get fixed
[17:27] <Brimstones> charlie-tca: Id rather not as it would cut into my coding time.
[17:30] <iconmefisto_> mikebeecham: maybe some of kde is still in place? does   kcmshell4 mouse  start the kde mouse config?
[17:31] <mikebeecham> iconmefisto_: nope
[17:32] <mikebeecham> brb
[17:32] <Brimstones> charlie-tca: Install proftpd on Lucid, try to start it. Wont work. Try to start it with debug level 9: proftpd -nd9 ... no such directory /var/run/proftpd ... upon creating this directory: mkdir -p /var/run/proftpd all things are good.
[17:33] <mininessie> did you know edubuntu is no longer going to be edubuntu
[17:33] <Brimstones> charlie-tca: I upgraded from karmic from having a previously working proftpd
[17:34] <Ken8521> mininessie, no, had not heard that.
[17:34] <Ken8521> whats happening to it?
[17:34] <charlie-tca> Brimstones: that's nice. The whole idea of running pre-release is to file the bugs found so the developers can find out and fix them
[17:35] <mininessie> Ken8521: they kind of got mad at ubuntu for something i don't remember what for the guy who created thisweekinlinux told me
[17:35] <Brimstones> charlie-tca: Coders run them to adjust their sources to the new releases. / Greets from GAdmintools.org
[17:35] <Dr_Willis> brb
[17:35] <Ken8521> mininessie, so it may not go away, it just may become "edudebian" or "edufedora"
[17:36] <mininessie> yeah
[17:36] <Brimstones> EUDUCATIONS could be cool ? :)
[17:36] <Brimstones> EUCATIONS ?
[17:37] <Ken8521> i think schools really miss out on the opportunity to put computers on desks, by enslaving themselves to MS
[17:37] <Brimstones> Ken8521: This is changing rapidly
[17:37] <Ken8521> even if they pay a drastically reduced price, its still more than free
[17:38] <Ken8521> Brimstones, how do you figure?
[17:38] <Brimstones> Ken8521: Our police and parts of the military, as well as the US, Spain, German and French instances are changing or have already changed
[17:38] <Ken8521> had never heard that
[17:39] <Brimstones> Ken8521 you must pay attention.
[17:39] <iconmefisto_> Brimstones: "our police" is where?
[17:39] <om26er> !ot
[17:39] <Ken8521> only "police" here in the US that I amware of that uses Linux, is BART in California
[17:39] <Brimstones> Sweden, France and others
[17:39] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. Got KDE and gnome both installed. and i can change mouse curor themes on the fly just fine in gnome.
[17:41] <mininessie> i personally like gnome over kde
[17:41] <Ken8521> http://www.linuxjournal.com/article/5654
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> I do have my KDE4 desktop rather neatly tweaked on thos desktop box. but in some ways i like gnome better.. but in MANY other ways i perfer kde. :)
[17:42] <Brimstones> Ken8521: The most recent and coolest request for some of the code i create came from the us navy.
[17:42] <Dr_Willis> im just waiting for the HUGE  deal that the next gnome will be. :) lets see if they really rock the gnome boat.
[17:43] <dr3mro> please help me i use ubuntu lucid and videos on mozilla firfox using totem plugin audio starts musted how to make it start at high level
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I do see the 'pointer issue' where some apps are still using the old pointer.
[17:43] <om26er> dr3mro, its a bug
[17:43] <Dr_Willis> In this case a Wine app. is defimnaly not using the pointer theme i selected
[17:43] <dr3mro> om26er, will it be fixed before final release
[17:44] <Brimstones> Dr_Willis: Old pointer ? /lol
[17:44] <om26er> dr3mro, no
[17:44] <Dr_Willis> Brimstones:  yep.  not all apps use the pointer i selected in the theme.. Hmm.. Wine app seems to still use the default white pointer.
[17:44] <dr3mro> om26er, is there a work around
[17:45] <Brimstones> Dr_Willis: Heh
[17:45] <om26er> dr3mro, not that I am aware of but there might be.
[17:46] <Dr_Willis> night all
[17:47] <dr3mro> om26er, that is a serious usablity problem and why not be fixed before final release ... for how long ubuntu will be released with bugs in final release ..
[17:48] <om26er> dr3mro, its an upstream issue it depends on them to fix
[17:49] <joaopinto> om26er, let's stop the blame game, it's relevant where the bug is ;)
[17:49] <joaopinto> irrelevant I mean
[17:49] <dr3mro> om26er, .... bad upstream
[17:49] <joaopinto> never heard of that bug before, is it affecting everyone ?
[17:52] <joaopinto> om26er, do you know the bug nr for the problem reported by dr3mro ?
[17:53]  * om26er had a system crash :)
[17:53] <johnjohn101> jordan_u:  are you around?
[17:54] <om26er> one of those days I will go back to karmic
 om26er, do you know the bug nr for the problem reported by dr3mro ?
[17:56] <om26er> joaopinto, not the bug number but the descrition but lp have not opened here for two hours now
[17:58] <johnjohn101> ok, i just lost my left mouse button again in 10.04 in vmware
[17:59] <johnjohn101> was resizing pidgin
[18:02] <mdlueck> Today's daily (20100419.1) is still broken trying to use xfs on / and /home, ext4 on /boot. Gets an error trying to format the / partition.
[18:02] <mdlueck> Anyone else using xfs to test with?
[18:03] <mdlueck> And what logs should I collect up from the failed install?
[18:10] <mdlueck> Guess everyone is @lunch or something. Pls reply with suggestions, I will check back at my desk now and then.
[18:17] <gnomefreak> mdlueck: we are not all at lunch, im just really really busy but i would say file a bug on it using the command ubuntu-bug ubiquity   it will add the logs to it.
[18:17] <gnomefreak> im not sure if it will be anohter package but i would start there they will change it as needed
[18:18] <mdlueck> What sort of logs should I keep from this failed install?
[18:18] <mininessie> why is ubuntu so buggy
[18:18] <mdlueck> Shall I log it against ubiquity?
[18:18] <gnomefreak> mdlueck: use that command it will upload them for you than you will see what ones to keep but off hand i not sure
[18:18] <gnomefreak> mdlueck: open terminal type ubuntu-bug ubiquity
[18:19] <gnomefreak> than follow prompts
[18:19] <mdlueck> How can I get a term from the installer? I launched directly to the installer, not via LiveCD.
[18:19] <marienz> wild gues: ctrl+alt+f2
[18:20] <marienz> but wait for better answers before trying ;)
[18:20] <mdlueck> Ctrl+Alt+F1 term window gives an error message trying to query ubiquity --debug that gtk is not available
[18:20] <mdlueck> So I think I must be in a term window instead of full screen text mode
[18:20] <gnomefreak> mdlueck: ok than file it by hand or try anohter daily image (tomorrows or what not)
[18:21] <mdlueck> Has been broken for over a week at this point, this xfs same issue
[18:21] <mdlueck> I would like to get it logged in the system
[18:22] <gnomefreak> mdlueck: your better off asking in #ubuntu-bugs on how to file it and what logs are best
[18:22] <mdlueck> Will do, OK with filing by hand, but what logs should I attach
[18:22] <mdlueck> OK
[18:22] <mdlueck> Will switch there, thanks gnomefreak
[18:22] <gnomefreak> np
[18:22]  * gnomefreak back to paperwork
[18:22] <mdlueck> hee hee hee
[18:22] <thebishop> there's supposed to be a Touchpad tab in the Mouse config tool, but I'm not seeing one.  What can I do about this?
[18:23] <EagleScreen> yes thebishop i have it
[18:24] <thebishop> EagleScreen, i have touchpad, but no tab
[18:24] <EagleScreen> that is really strange
[18:25] <thebishop> EagleScreen, yeah, i really want to enable the no-click-while-typing feature
[18:25] <EagleScreen> thebishop: if you are in this channel, it is because you have Ubuntu 10.04 + Gnome 2.30.0, true??
[18:25] <thebishop> EagleScreen, i'm running Beta2
[18:25] <thebishop> Gnome 2.30.0 is correct
[18:25] <TecnoBrat> I know a little OT .. but figured people might wanna know.  Don't let McAfee update, or it will break your windows machines.
[18:26] <TecnoBrat> If you don't know what I'm talking about .. search for mcafee on twitter :P
[18:26] <Ken8521> TecnoBrat, anyone still using Mcafee or norton on a windows box, needs their head kicked in
[18:26] <Sebboh> Hello, all.  I've got a 10.04 workstation here. I disabled my onboard audio device.  Now I'd like to get rid of pulseaudio, and anything else that I don't need because I don't have/want a sound card.  But, apt-get remove --purge pulseaudio wants to remove ubuntu-desktop, which I'd like to keep (especially since I'm on 10.04 and things could change, eh?), so what should I do?
[18:27] <thebishop> my policy when running windows is no virus scan, stick with free software applications
[18:27] <TecnoBrat> Ken8521: or a system file quarantined causing the system to never boot again! :P
[18:27] <Tux^> hi all, i did a successful upgrade to beta 1 from 9.10 some time back. But since few days, when i allow the regular updates (via update manager), ubuntu fails to boot ! i just get the initial screen with "ubuntu" logo and then it takes me to a black screen
[18:27] <Tux^> i have also tried to do a clean install of beta 2, but after the update again same problem
[18:27] <Ken8521> thebishop, well, there's some good free antivirus out there.. avast is good... but i typically dont use av either. i just keep a fresh iso backed up so if my vbox gets infected somehow, i can delete and restore
[18:29] <EagleScreen> Sebboh: ubuntu-desktop depends on pulseaudio and pulseaudio-esound-compat, you you can't remove them without removing ubuntu-desktop, anyway, wahy removing pulseaudio?
[18:30] <thebishop> EagleScreen, the really weird thing is 2-finger scroll works properly
[18:31] <thebishop> EagleScreen, vertical scroll that is.  i'd like to enable horizontal scroll, disable tap to click, and enable the thing that prevents clicks while typing
[18:32] <EagleScreen> thebishop: check you haven't a broken Gnome installation
[18:32] <thebishop> EagleScreen, how to check?  I haven't done anything that would break it
[18:33] <Sebboh> I disabled my sound card, EagleScreen.  I see no need to waste resources on audio packages on this system.  (Remember, too, that I have to download periodic updates for these packages--that's wasting the mirror's bandwidth, too.)
[18:33] <TecnoBrat> Ken8521: vbox has a great snapshot feature... thats what I use :)
[18:33] <EagleScreen> thebishop: jusnt di a full upgrade: sudo aptitude update; sudo aptitude full-upgrade
[18:33] <Ken8521> TecnoBrat, i've never explored that to much, but thats a decent idea... i'll have to look at it
[18:34] <EagleScreen> Sebboh: if you want remove pulseaudio without ubuntu-desktop, you need a patched ubuntu-desktop package
[18:40] <EagleScreen> thebishop: check you have gnome-control-center 1:2.30.0-0ubuntu4
[18:42] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo
[18:43] <EagleScreen> hi ActionParsnip
[18:43] <BluesKaj> yo ActionParsnip
[18:43] <thebishop> EagleScreen, it says 1:2.30.0-0ubuntu4 in synaptic
[18:43] <ActionParsnip> How come Ubuntu has taken off only recently when Linux has been around for ages
[18:43] <EagleScreen> that is the official version, and it shoud have the Touchpad tab
[18:44] <ActionParsnip> Did someone just get it right or is it simply bloated enough to mass appeal to all. I don't get it at all (not that its bad)
[18:47] <BluesKaj> ActionParsnip, methinks the word "linux" scared a lot of potential users away , but now the ease of installation and the apps that just work is the reason
[18:48] <BluesKaj> and word of mouth on the net
[18:48] <ActionParsnip> Blueskaj: but mandriva has a good installer for apps and so does mother debian...
[18:49] <zonkers> can I get some help with a problem i'm having with 10.04?
[18:50] <iconmefisto> plenty of support available too. that must appeal to new linux users
[18:50] <joaopinto> !ask | zonkers
[18:50] <Loki> !help
[18:50] <Loki> lol
[18:50] <Loki> that didn't work :p
[18:50] <Loki> joaopinto: you don't know about GMA500 drivers do you?
[18:51] <joaopinto> Loki, no
[18:51] <zonkers> so, with 10.04, I when I'm resizing a window, sometimes my left mouse functionality goes away
[18:51] <Loki> >.>
[18:51] <joaopinto> zonkers, is that a real install or vmware ?
[18:51] <ActionParsnip> Iconmefisto: its always been there though. There has been documents on linux for ages with guides etc
[18:51] <ActionParsnip> Zonkers: is that with effects enabled?
[18:52] <zonkers> joapinto: it's with a vmware install and no effects
[18:52] <joaopinto> ActionParsnip, it was not so big and so structured as it is today, linux was much more underground
[18:52] <zonkers> actionparsnip: I can almost recreat it at will.  seem like if you resize over another window, it happens
[18:52] <ActionParsnip> Joaopinto; I guess
[18:53] <joaopinto> zonkers, file a bug report, but it could be vmware related
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> Zonkers: i'd ask in #vmware to see if its a known glitch, if not log a bug
[18:53] <iconmefisto> ActionParsnip: but not as good as ubuntu's, esp. for new users. it's a very welcoming community
[18:53] <zonkers> i'm not seeing any issues with 9.10
[18:53] <patdk-wk> hmm, I can't get my left mouse button to act up at all today :(
[18:53] <ActionParsnip> Iconmefisto: gentoo community is very welcoming but gentoo can be scary for new users
[18:55] <joaopinto> zonkers, that doesn't imply it's an Ubuntu issue, it could be a problem with the vmware graphical driver and the newer Xorg
[18:55] <zonkers> joaopinto:
[18:56] <iconmefisto> ActionParsnip: I've thoroughly "converted" 4 non-techie people with ubuntu (kubuntu, actually). I doubt I could have done it with something like gentoo
[18:56] <zonkers> joaopinto: i just would like to report it somewhere so someone with better skills than me can look at it
[18:57] <ActionParsnip> Iconmefisto: I've "converted" folks with mandrake 7. But most use ubuntu or fedora now (go figure)
[18:57] <thebishop> so I read that Hal is 100% out of Lucid, is that correct?
[18:58] <iconmefisto> thebishop: as I understand it, it's not necessary, but still in repos
[18:59] <mininessie> is ubuntu still in pre-release freeze
[18:59] <thebishop> iconmefisto, the reason I ask is I'm looking at this tutorial (9.10) for enabling multitouch synaptic touchpads: http://blog.mfabrik.com/2009/10/11/setting-up-multi-touch-scrolling-for-ubuntu-9-10-karmic-koala-linux-on-asus-eee-1005ha-netbook/ -- it didn't work, so I wondered if that's because Hal config files are no longer checked
[18:59] <mininessie> is ubuntu still in pre-release freeze
[18:59] <zonkers> i guess I'll reload tomorrow's version to see if it's been fixed. It's driving me crazy cause I have to reboot all the time
[19:01] <iconmefisto> thebishop: it seems kubuntu-desktop and xubuntu-desktop still uses hal
[19:02] <thebishop> iconmefisto, well, i'm using Gnome
[19:07] <manager> hi all - i'm currently running ubuntu 9.04 - i want to know what the main differences are between 9.04 and 10.04 except for kernel updates and slight gui change?
[19:08] <hudnix> Can't upgrade from 9.10: 'E:Couldn't configure pre-depend openoffice.org-core for openoffice.org-filter-binfilter, probably a dependency cycle.'
[19:08] <darthanubis> manager, check the webpage in the topic
[19:08] <Pici> manager: The release notes for Beta 2 that are in the topic would be a good start.
[19:08] <ActionParsnip> Manager: there are lots. I suggest you check the ubuntu site for "what's new"
[19:09] <hudnix> should I just uninstall openoffice?
[19:09] <zonkers> joaopinto: it's similar to this issue.  http://lists.mandriva.com/bugs/2010-03/msg00224.php
[19:09] <whiterabbit> (ATI driver + Lucid + HDMI) Does anyone have a working hack to kill underscan? It's back, and old hacks no longer work
[19:10] <manager> Pici: ActionParsnip: thanks
[19:11] <ActionParsnip> Whiterabbit: does the ati driver now support xorg 8.5?
[19:11] <mickep> Hi, after upgrading from 9.10 to lucid today, the volume is very low and if I raise it, the sound is very bad. Any ideas?
[19:12] <BluesKaj> mickep, make sure your ctrls in alsamixer are all at least 75%
[19:13] <whiterabbit> ActionParsnip: Not sure; I assume so
[19:13] <ActionParsnip> Mickep: run; sudo lshw -C sound ,websearch for the product line to see if there are bugs logged too
[19:13] <BluesKaj> sometimes they drop to low levels or even off after upgrades
[19:13] <mickep> BluesKaj: Master and Speaker are set to max and PCM to about 90%.
[19:13] <BluesKaj> ok
[19:14] <mickep> I remember the volume was low in 9.4 and then it got up to a nicer level in 9.10. I guess it is back (or even lower) now.
[19:15] <mickep> ActionParsnip: Is it the line "product: 82801H (ICH8 Family) HD Audio Controller" that is interesting?
[19:15] <mickep> (btw, thanks)
[19:15] <ActionParsnip> Mikep: search the web, there may be bugs stating it as a known issue and bug
[19:16] <gbear14275> anyone here able to talk to power management (specifically battery management)?  I have questions about setting charging thresholds for my new li-ion battery.
[19:17] <BluesKaj> !intelhda | mickep
[19:17] <gbear14275> are there any gui's available to help set charging profiles for my battery?  If not, how can I set my charging profiles?
[19:17] <ActionParsnip> Gbear14275: are you running lucid?
[19:17] <mickep> BluesKaj: Thanks, I'll go through that
[19:17] <gbear14275> I am, beta 2
[19:18] <BluesKaj> mickep, hope it helps
[19:18] <ActionParsnip> Gbear14275: then #ubuntu is not the place to ask, it is here
[19:18] <gbear14275> ActionParsnip: sorry, I am asking in multiple forums as I believe the problem is not version specific per se
[19:19] <gbear14275> ActionParsnip: but would be happy for anyone to help me find some help
[19:19] <mdlueck> Back from #ubuntu-bugs with the discovery that mkfs.xfs is missing on recent installer CD's. That is why I can not successfully use xfs for lucid installations. It was suggested I inquire if it is known to be missing.
[19:19] <hudnix> Fixed it. If anyone's interested, having openoffice.org-filter-binfilter installed will break the upgrade with a dependency problem.
[19:20] <gbear14275> ActionParsnip: you aware of any gui's to help with power management or aware of any upcoming changes in lucid which may help in this department?
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> Gbear14275: could look in preferences under power possibly. Not something I've ever bothered with tbh
[19:21] <whiterabbit> Anyone prior users of "aticonfig --set-pcs-val=MCIL,DigitalHDTVDefaultUnderscan,0" found a working lucid hack?
[19:21] <osmosis> flash on 64 bit doesnt appear to be working for me
[19:21] <osmosis> with firefox
[19:21] <whiterabbit> Not working in which respect?
[19:21] <mickep> BluesKaj: I realized that was probably not the right info I gave. I rather have a Creative USB speakers.
[19:21] <ActionParsnip> Osmosis: put the .so file in $HOME/.mozilla/plugins
[19:22] <osmosis> whiterabbit, I put the .so file in my  .mozilla/plugins/ dir. When I relaunch firefox, still no flash support.
[19:22] <mininessie>  umm i burn the cd and it runs but i have problem when try to install itr fully as not using wubi it shows a white ubuntu logo nd does do anything
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> Osmosis: you MUST remove the flash packages you have installed or they will conflict and obviously you must be using 64bit linux
[19:22] <mininessie> doesn't not does
[19:22] <gbear14275> ActionParsnip: I have... very generic controls... nothing to help with setting up charging profiles.  The reason I ask is I would like this new battery to last longer than a year and a charging profile would be very useful
[19:22] <ActionParsnip> Mininessie: did you md5 test the iso?
[19:23] <Lord_Rahl> where is the interface tab?
[19:23] <mininessie> ActionParsnip: yes
[19:23] <osmosis> ActionParsnip, good idea, but I havent installed any flash packages. clean lucid install, daily build today.
[19:23] <ActionParsnip> Mininessie: good :). Tried some boot options?
[19:23] <mininessie> i know it works because the wubi option came up
[19:24] <ActionParsnip> Osmosis: cool, make sure you get no output from: dpkg -l | grep flash; dpkg -l | grep gnash; dpkg -l | grep swf
[19:25] <gbear14275> I do have a separate question about eventual upgrade.  Do the files in my home directory pose any risks to botch up a lucid install?
[19:25] <osmosis> ActionParsnip, yes, all those have no matches.
[19:25] <ActionParsnip> Gbear14275: no they simply hold settings which should float over to lucid
[19:25] <Zelozelos> manager there are a bunch of things that are diff, what you will see is mostly gui stuff, but theres a lot of stuff in the background that is working better/faster/smarter
[19:26] <Zelozelos> oops
[19:26] <ActionParsnip> Osmosis: great. Can you give the output of: uname -a
[19:26] <mikebeecham> hi guys...does anyone know where I can download the Ubuntu default mouse theme?
[19:26] <mickep> BluesKaj, ActionParsnip: I guess I came across http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2060184.html . It is indeed a weird scalin in the volume applet.
[19:27] <ActionParsnip> Mickep: apt-cache search human | less ,may help
[19:27] <mickep> ActionParsnip: that was for mikebeecham, right.
[19:27]  * Zelozelos should remember to scroll back down when hes away for a while
[19:27] <mikebeecham> hi ActionParsnip
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> Mickep: yeah d'oh
[19:28] <mikebeecham> I thought that by deleting my default theme it would restore upon login..it did, kinda!
[19:28] <ActionParsnip> Mikebeecham: see the above command
[19:28] <Lord_Rahl> where is the interface tab? if it is not there how can I turn off text beside icons
[19:29] <mikebeecham> ActionParsnip: a little confused
[19:29] <ActionParsnip> Mikebeecham: run: apt-cache search human | less
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> Mikebeecham: one package may have the pointers
[19:30] <ActionParsnip> I gotta jet. Peace
[19:33] <mikebeecham> ok, I have run that and get a shedload of stuff...what I can see is  Humanity-Icon-theme
[19:33] <mikebeecham> but not sure what to do with this list?
[19:40] <mikebeecham> pah..nothing there can help:(
[19:46] <mickep> BluesKaj: Applying Luke's tip at https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/531063 solved my sound problem. Thanks for your assistance!
[19:47] <Zelozelos> is there a way to increase the hotspots size for resizing windows
[19:50] <BluesKaj> mickep, glad to hear it :)
[19:58] <Qwell> So, now that you've made my nano unusable by adding colorization...  How do I remove that garbage?
[19:59] <mickep> Is it impossible to connect to MSN these days? (pidgin/empathy/aMSN all fail)
[20:03] <charlie-tca> Qwell: I would guess change the options in /etc/nanorc
[20:03] <Qwell> and how, precisely, would you propose I do that?
[20:03] <guntbert> !attitude | Qwell
[20:04] <Qwell> guntbert: my editor was changed so that I'm unable to read it.  I'm allowed to have a little attitude.
[20:04] <charlie-tca> use an editor
[20:04] <Fishscene> vim?
[20:04] <guntbert> Qwell: not here if you want help - please
[20:04] <charlie-tca> Qwell: that attitude doesn't really apply, since none of us actually did that to you
[20:05] <z0rt|work> a sense of entitlement is not an attitude to have in an open source support community
[20:08] <judgen> Where do xfce4 store wich windowmanager it is to use on login?
[20:10] <Qwell> Is accessibility just not high on ubuntu's list?  I mean, every release I have to report bugs from default behavior changing.  Now it's gone as far as my editor - that's just too far.  really.
[20:10] <Qwell> this has nothing to do with entitlement
[20:11] <guntbert> Qwell: please stop your ranting - no developpers here  -- we can and will try to help you
[20:11] <Qwell> guntbert: Then where are the developers?
[20:11] <Qwell> they need to hear the rants.
[20:11] <guntbert> !bug | Qwell
[20:21] <mb999> Hi. Anybody here know of issues with rhythmbox on 10.04 beta 2? Segfault in gstreamer.
[20:22] <AcePreshaw> helo
[20:22] <AcePreshaw> i cnat wat to 10.04
[20:25] <Goldstanza> hello room
[20:26] <mb999> Hi. Anybody here know how to fix issues with rhythmbox on 10.04 beta 2? Segfault in gstreamer.
[20:26] <AcePreshaw> helo
[20:26] <Goldstanza> i am having a strange problem with my lucid system
[20:48] <Volkodav> any tweaks needed for ext4 for SSD ?
[20:51] <UnNaturalHigh> Hi, I have tried to file bug reports for my Fn + brightness keys but they are always marked invalid. Does anyone know how I can get a bug to be marked valid?
[20:53] <Bigbrumbrum> Hello! :) What does the command mountall do?
[20:54] <guntbert> Bigbrumbrum: mounts all devices which are in /etc/fstab
[20:54] <Bigbrumbrum> o snap
[20:54] <Sensiva> Bigbrumbrum it mounts filesystems at boot
[20:54] <Sensiva> man mountall for more info
[20:54] <Bigbrumbrum> it doesnt work on my computer...
[20:55] <Bigbrumbrum> what to do?
[20:55] <osmosis> Volkodav, not that i know of. but im not experiencing any issues.
[20:55] <LinuxGuy2009> Hey guys I have been running Lucid on my netbook and my desktop here since beta1 and the web page loading in Chrome and Firefox takes like 3-4 times longer than my parents old P4 box. I just did the trick from 9.10 with specifying a DNS server in the network manager applet window and it doesnt help much at all. Is this something I should just accept as the new norm and move on or is this a known issue etc?
[20:55] <LinuxGuy2009> They are running 9.04 on the P4 box BTW.
[20:55] <osmosis> UnNaturalHigh, Function key is built for the BIOS. doesnt have anything to do with Ubuntu.
[20:56] <UnNaturalHigh> osmosis, I think it does, it used to work prior to 9.10
[20:56] <UnNaturalHigh> in 9.10 is stopped working, I filed a bug report, and then it was marked invalid
[20:56] <robin0800> Bigbrumbrum: usually because what you want to mount is not in /etc/fstab
[20:56] <UnNaturalHigh> I then tried 10.04, filed a bug report as it did not work, and it was marked invalid
[20:57] <UnNaturalHigh> osmosis, seems like a regression to me
[20:57] <osmosis> UnNaturalHigh, i couldnt adjust the screen brightness using the brightness applet because the BIOS didnt have an interface for the OS. So I was forced to manually set the brightness using the Fn keys.
[20:57] <Bigbrumbrum> but wth, it doesnt mount anything, i cant even find my hdds.
[20:57] <LinuxGuy2009> UnNaturalHigh: Are you having trouble with a keyboards multimedia keys or something?
[20:57] <osmosis> UnNaturalHigh, until a bios update came up, which fixed it. now both ways work.
[20:57] <UnNaturalHigh> LinuxGuy2009, Fn + F6/F7
[20:57] <osmosis> UnNaturalHigh, which would be for??? all laptops are different you know.
[20:58] <UnNaturalHigh> Toshiba Satellite A500
[20:58] <LinuxGuy2009> UnNaturalHigh: Fn key is not used by an operating system I dont think. Thats a bios feature i believe.
[20:59] <UnNaturalHigh> This makes no sense that if it was a bios feature that me updating Ubuntu would have any effect on it.
[20:59] <LinuxGuy2009> UnNaturalHigh: Oh an update made it stop working?
[20:59] <osmosis> UnNaturalHigh, for volume? brightness? sleep mode?  what is F6F7 for?
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> cna
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> ew
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> ef
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> f
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> fe
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> ef
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> effe
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> e
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> e
[20:59] <AcePreshaw> e
[20:59] <Volkodav> osmosis there are tweaks needed for performance and lifespan
[20:59] <UnNaturalHigh> I updated from 9.04 - 9.10 it stopped working and continues to not work in 10.04
[21:00] <Volkodav> osmosis:  http://newyork.ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=8215179!
[21:00] <LinuxGuy2009> UnNaturalHigh: Highly recomend a clean install. I know this isnt windows, but sometimes things like that can happen.
[21:00] <UnNaturalHigh> osmosis, F6 = brightness down and F7 = brightness up
[21:00] <UnNaturalHigh> sigh, really a clean install
[21:00] <alvin> Bigbrumbrum: I agree on the wrongly named 'mountall', but if your HDD's are not found, it's usually grub.
[21:01] <LinuxGuy2009> UnNaturalHigh: I dont even mess with updating releases cause of dumb stuff breaking like that.
[21:01] <UnNaturalHigh> the only clean install I am doing is to windows 7
[21:01] <osmosis> how can I troubleshoot flash not being recognized. I have the .so in the right dir. Firefox says its not installed.
[21:01] <LinuxGuy2009> UnNaturalHigh: Well thats your call dude.
[21:01] <UnNaturalHigh> sigh, I am going back to work
[21:02] <Bigbrumbrum> alvin: But i got my hdds mounted in grub, windows and ubuntu boots :P and when i run ubuntu in recovery mode he says mountall command failed
[21:02] <LinuxGuy2009> osmosis: 32bit or 64bit installation?
[21:03] <LinuxGuy2009> osmosis: Easiest way is go to adobe website and download the deb and dpkg -i *.deb
[21:06] <osmosis> LinuxGuy2009, 64
[21:06] <LinuxGuy2009> osmosis: Think there is a alpha or beta 64bit deb available.
[21:07] <obscurant1st> release date?
[21:07] <Pici> April 29th
[21:07] <LinuxGuy2009> april 29 for lucid if thats what your asking
[21:07] <duffydack> 64bit flash works fine for me.
[21:08] <ojii> how would i tell lucid to use scim per default for all inputs?
[21:08] <obscurant1st> Pici, LinuxGuy2009 thx, thats what i asked!
[21:08] <LinuxGuy2009> obscurant1st: wont be long bud ;-)
[21:08] <alvin> I heard a rumour about recovery mode no longer working, so I don't know if that can be trusted. On the other hand, if you can get into recovery mode, your HDD is indeed found.
[21:08] <alvin> or is it grub recovery?
[21:11] <osmosis_> here it is:  http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/64bit.html
[21:12] <ubuntu> I am currently having problems while installing Lucid.
[21:16] <Bigbrumbrum> I can find my ubuntupartition, but no others, note that i can find them in gparted
[21:16] <narselon>  I just upgraded to lucid and I'm getting an "Fatal: Root visual is not a GL visual" error when I try to start compiz and nautilus only loads the desktop variation
[21:18] <genii> narselon: Intel graphics?
[21:18] <narselon> ati
[21:18] <genii> narselon: open source driver or proprietary?
[21:18] <osmosis> running fresh lucid daily build, I get random lockups. Can't drop to a terminal or anything.
[21:18] <narselon> i've been using open source drivers for several releases without a a single issue
[21:19] <alvin> Bigbrumbrum: Are we talking about partitions, or LVM volumes? What filesystems are on them?
[21:20] <Bigbrumbrum> windows partitions.
[21:20] <narselon> so in other words yes, I'm still using open source
[21:20] <genii> narselon: May want to investigate: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/565981 and if applicable perhaps afterwards https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/GEMLeak
[21:21] <osmosis> i wish there was a better way to troubleshoot random crashes on linux.
[21:22] <alvin> Ah, can't help you there. I don't run Windows. Not recognizing NTFS after an upgrade sounds weird though. Maybe you should investigate and file a bug.
[21:23] <ubuntu> I am trying to install Lucid Lynx ona 40GB partition and I am currently running a live USB and when i run the install it hangs on step 3
[21:24] <eponym> I'm on a ThinkPad X200s that was given to me with a fresh install of Lucid. I had the fancy visual effects setting on (from Appearance) and it was working fine. I wanted to use Compiz' Grid plugin, so I installed some packages to get the settings manager, I got Grid working, but I lost title bars. I tried installing Emerald, but after that, Grid stopped working. Now, I can use Metacity with no effects, or if I select 'None' or 'Extra' i
[21:24] <eponym> t goes to Compiz+Emerald. I'm not sure what to do.
[21:25] <Bigbrumbrum> will do that alvin, thx!
[21:25] <eponym> I want Metacity with Compiz + Grid to work, or at least be able to turn up the visual effects without switching to Emerald
[21:26] <ZykoticK9> !emerald | eponym
[21:27] <eponym> I believe you! I want it gone.
[21:28] <LinuxGuy2009> emerald is cool though.
[21:28] <eponym> But how do I get compiz working with metacity again?
[21:28] <ZykoticK9> eponym, you might want to install fusion-icon that will give you a panel icon to change the windows manager and decorator
[21:28] <LinuxGuy2009> eponym: Install "fusion-icon"
[21:29] <eponym> Thanks, I'm trying that.
[21:29] <bushbaby> anyone know how to get b43 driver working from disk?
[21:29] <mickep> Can other poeple connect to MSN? I cannot succed in pidgin/empathy/aMSN.
[21:30] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: Checked hardware drivers dialog window?
[21:30] <Klevi> yes i can mikau
[21:30] <luismmontielg> mickep, try emesene
[21:30] <Klevi> er Mickp
[21:30] <bwallum> has legal man cometh?
[21:30] <luismmontielg> I can un pidgin/empathy/emesene
[21:30] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: yes, nothing listed.. not even propietry..
[21:30] <Klevi> my bad mikau
[21:31] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: What adapter do you have? BCM4312 for example?
[21:31] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: BCM4311 I know it works fine because i'm currently using it on my 9.10 partition that i'm using at the moment..
[21:31] <mickep> strange, I wonder what goes wrong here, then.
[21:32] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: Make sure you have main, universe, restricted, multiverse all enabled to see all packages in the repos.
[21:33] <bwallum> Is the rc iso available yet?
[21:33] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: Thanks, didn't think of that.. I'll go try that out..
[21:33] <EagleScreen> LinuxGuy2009: for Broadcom BCM43xx, just install the package bcmwl-kernel-source
[21:33] <LinuxGuy2009> bwallum: April 22 for RC
[21:33] <bwallum> thanks
[21:33] <mickep> luismmontielg: even emesene fails. I wonder if I got some lib wrong or so.
[21:34] <arand> LinuxGuy2009: Oh man is it rc already?
[21:34] <bwallum> is it ready?
[21:34] <luismmontielg> mickep, maybe its your lan? or msn account?
[21:34] <LinuxGuy2009> arand: Yeah 22nd
[21:34] <zonkers> when will RC be pushed out to the update manager?
[21:34] <arand> !final
[21:35] <LinuxGuy2009> zonkers: just keep current updates installed and you will already have RC
[21:35] <zonkers> i'm just bumming out about this vmware bug
[21:36] <arand> zonkers: the actual RC-change will likely just be a ranaming of the distro version string to not read "testing/beta" or whatever it is at the moment
[21:36] <arand> zonkers: reported?
[21:36] <zonkers> i wasn't sure how to report.  I need to create a launchpad id?
[21:37] <EagleScreen> zonkers: yes you need
[21:37] <arand> zonkers: yea...although, is the bug in vmware itself?, in that case, well it's up to vmware to fix it I guess, not ubuntu...
[21:37] <federico> I got a problem with the swap performance in lucid, I got 1gb for the swap partition, and sometimes it get up to 50% full
[21:38] <federico> Is this a common problem?
[21:38] <EagleScreen> federico: some application is eating the RAM
[21:38] <bwallum> If I download the daily iso will I have the equivalent of the rc?
[21:38] <EagleScreen> federico: use 'top' command to try to find out which one
[21:38] <zonkers> arand. I'm not sure who owns the bug.  I lose my left mouse when I resize a window. random and intermittent for sure. it's in a vmware session. there is a similar bug for mandriva
[21:38] <federico> how do i use it?
[21:39] <EagleScreen> bwallum: more or less yes
[21:39] <bwallum> thanks
[21:40] <EagleScreen> bwallum: what is the RC expected?
[21:40] <duffydack> bwallum, tho the last daily was 19th..  not a lot has changed tho as far as updates have gone..
[21:40] <EagleScreen> when is it expected?
[21:40] <federico>    1 root      20   0 23704 1336  836 S    0  0.1   0:00.65 init
[21:40] <federico> 23704 is the virtual ram i think
[21:41] <bwallum> The schedule date for the RC is 22nd, I caught a tweet that said it was out already
[21:41] <zonkers> arand: it looks like it's been fixed. bug #545298. Can you tell me when this will be pushed out?
[21:42] <narselon> is it possible to roll back updates?
[21:42] <zonkers> i'm not sure what fix comitted really mean
[21:42] <charlie-tca> zonkers: probably will be out before lucid is released
[21:42] <federico> i think ti's a bug, because even if I close all my aplicattions the virtual memery keeps the same size
[21:43] <federico> memory*
[21:43] <federico> i hope they fix this on the next release
[21:44] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: Back, I've got partway there.. The drivers are listed in hardware but won't install from cd and without internet access i can't use apt-get for b43-fwcutter either..
[21:44] <arand> zonkers: well according to slanasek: Confirmed as appropriate for lucid; will take this at the earliest opportunity, either before RC in the event of a respin, or after RC otherwise.
[21:44] <robin0800> federico: http://techie-buzz.com/foss/ubuntu-10-04-lucid-lynx-hit-by-major-memory-leak-problem.html
[21:44] <charlie-tca> zonkers: will be fixed probably friday
[21:44] <federico> thanks robin
[21:44] <arand> zonkers: committed means the patch is "ready but not released" kind-of
[21:45] <zonkers> charlie-tca: thanks so much.  it's been a pain in my testing
[21:45] <charlie-tca> yup
[21:45] <EagleScreen> this could be already the RC version http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[21:46] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: Make sure the install CD is listed as a repo source.
[21:46] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: Or manually search for and install the package from the CD package pool.
[21:47] <narselon> i guess to clarify is there a way to remove all updates from a single ppa?
[21:47] <luismmontielg> ppa purge
[21:47] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: CD is listed. how would i go about installing from pool?
[21:47] <luismmontielg> sudo ppa-purge ppa:theppa
[21:48] <federico> wow, it seams to be a mayor issue with the xorg update
[21:49] <narselon> what would i type for xorg-edgers/ppa ?
[21:49] <luismmontielg> that, I guess
[21:49] <luismmontielg> ppa:xorg-edgers/ppa
[21:49] <narselon> i get could not find opackage list
[21:50] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: Browse the CD in nautilus and use dpkg to install
[21:51] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: or double click to install with gdebi.
[21:51] <narselon> now it works
[21:52] <zonkers> speaking of vmware, do you think ubuntu will ever have the copy/paste activated without having to launch vmware toolbox?
[21:52] <federico>  i love the new notification system, but seams like evolution is not working well for me, i only get configure mail, and no other options
[21:53] <federico> this is still under development, or I'm doing something wrong?
[21:55] <joaopinto> zonkers, that is not related to ubuntu, it is really related to vmware per si
[21:55] <duffydack> zonkers, I got tired of using patches to install the program/tadditions and I see its still needed, so i`ll keep my vbox
[21:56] <gspence___> has anyone experienced problems with the network speed of lucid lynx...i'm not talking internet speed but actually slow connection when transferring files over samba on eth0? any suggestions?
[21:58] <zonkers> joaopinto:  I believe opensuse has this feature built in already.
[21:58] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: hmm strange.. this has now morphed into a new issue, the dvd is not mounting..? ( I had to burn to dvd as i had no cd's about..) It worked fine earlier..
[21:59] <joaopinto> zonkers, that is very unlikely because that can't be implemented at the OS/Application level, it is vmware which needs to transfer the data to/from the VM to the OS
[21:59] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: sudo apt-cdrom add
[21:59] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: Think thats right. Im tired
[22:00] <joaopinto> bushbaby, check "dmesg" when you insert the cd
[22:01] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: Outputs "Repeat this process for the rest of the CD's in your set". Double thanks for your time if you're tired!
[22:01] <osmosis> Im getting an hard freeze on two different laptops. one with 64, other x86. Both running fresh installs of lucid daily builds.
[22:02] <mikkelgj> I just installed the 10.04 beta2, and it correctly identified my nvidia video card. However, i get an error when trying to install the restricted drivers: http://pastebin.com/xe0Wp3pk
[22:02] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: haha no prob. Just umm refresh your package lists and try hardware drivers again,.
[22:02] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: might grab em off the disc for you now
[22:03] <bushbaby> joaopinto: I get flooded with unknown keycode pressed as i'm using a dell.. yes to resolve this issue.. DVD seems to have mounted, could be a dodgy burn?
[22:03] <mikkelgj> Also, im kind of confused. The restricted driver applet gives me 2 options: Version 173 of the driver, and "current (recommended)" of the driver. I picked the recommended version, which then gave me that error.
[22:03] <bushbaby> joaopinto: yet to resolve this issue.. *
[22:04] <Volkodav> Should I restore the backup to another harddrive  from liveCD or I can do it while booted?
[22:04] <BUGa_depressed> does lucid run on my laptop? http://2urb.sl.pt
[22:04] <Volkodav> like so tar -xvpzf /home/test/backup.tar.gz -C /media/new_drive ?
[22:05] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: Installation failed see /var/log/jockey.log  --> file reads repeated File repository update fails..
[22:05] <narselon> i was here earlier and I'm still having compiz problems
[22:05] <arand> mikkelgj: But does it work?
[22:05] <mikkelgj> arand, no
[22:06] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: check you /etc/apt/sources.list
[22:06] <mikkelgj> the error even stalls the restricted driver applet
[22:06] <arand> mikkelgj: Hmm, the "current" is 195 as far as i know..
[22:06] <EagleScreen> BUGa_depressed: sure it will
[22:07] <mikkelgj> arand, something seems way off. "ERROR: update-alternatives: warning: skip creation of /usr/lib32/vdpau/libvdpau_nvidia.so.1 because associated file /usr/lib32/nvidia-current/vdpau/libvdpau_nvidia.so.1 (of link group gl_conf) doesn't exist."
[22:07] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: cdrom listed in sources.list, terminal output from install fails as cannot connect to remote site fro download, however without internet how is install possible? prehaps use propietry to get package?
[22:07] <mikkelgj> why would that file not exist?
[22:07] <BUGa_depressed> EagleScreen: thanks for confirming
[22:08] <arand> mikkelgj: yea, I don't know why though...
[22:08] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: oh try disabling all repos but CD
[22:08] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby:DVD I mean
[22:08] <narselon> i'm still getting the message "compiz (core) - Fatal: Root visual is not a GL visual"
[22:09] <gspence___> can anyone give any suggestions what would be causing a slow ethernet connection - ran a few updates on lucid lynx install and now it seems the network is "crawling"  when copying files over samba (connection is eth0) max speed things seem to be transferring is 100kb/s
[22:10] <yofel> mikkelgj: do the vdpau files properly exist in /usr/lib32/nvidia-current/vdpau/ ?
[22:11] <mikkelgj> yofel, No, /usr/lib32/nvidia-current/ is empty
[22:11] <mikkelgj> im currently trying to get all updates available now, before re-attempting to install the driver
[22:11] <mikkelgj> should probably have done that in the first place but yeah...
[22:12] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: According to deb install it's already installed but Network Manager returns "Device Not Ready" and Hardware Drivers says its not installed
[22:12] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: do you have one listed as STA driver?
[22:13] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: Yes, the propietry Driver is listed as STA
[22:14] <mikkelgj> yofel, maybe i should be using that Version173 instead? Even though the other one is "recommended"....
[22:14] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: STA is the only one I have to install on my Dell Mini 10v to get the BCM4312 to work.
[22:14] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: try that one.
[22:14] <yofel> mikkelgj: what's your graphics card? 173 is legacy as 195 doesn't support older cards
[22:15] <mikkelgj> geforce 8600gt
[22:15] <mikkelgj> guess i dont need legacy then
[22:15] <yofel> nope, you should use current (195)
[22:15] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: Installing from hardware drivers seems to call a patch deb package from CD(DVD)
[22:15] <mikkelgj> Any idea why im getting that error, selecting the 195 version?
[22:16] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: yes there are dependencies that will be installed and patch is one of them.
[22:16] <ugliefrog> how do i find the password encryptin menu item
[22:17] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: And fails on install, I tried manually installing linux_wlan_ng package from cd and that disabled wireless..
[22:17] <the_student> If ubuntu 10.04 doesn't work woth my itouch, is it new baseband?
[22:18] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: ok look on the DVD with nautilus. Look in the package pool for the packages. Manually install them.
[22:18] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: that seems to be working.. could be a Hardware Drivers issue??
[22:19] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: What worked STA driver?
[22:20] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: ok i've run into an issue.. Hardware Drivers wants to install package bcmwl driver from disk but the package does not exist??
[22:21] <the_student> If ubuntu 10.04 doesn't work woth my itouch, is it new baseband
[22:21] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: look on the cd and install it yourself if you have to
[22:21] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: that's the problem though.. that package is not on the cd in pool??
[22:22] <LinuxGuy2009> the_student: 1 sec ill look on my CD
[22:22] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: Apologies i found it..
[22:22] <LinuxGuy2009> cool
[22:22] <mikkelgj> yofel, you seemed to be on the right path to solving my nvidia issue, asking about files in a folder which i dont have. Any clue on how to fix this?
[22:23] <the_student> LinuxGuy2009: Any info?
[22:23] <yofel> mikkelgj: check the output of 'dkpg -L nvidia-current' if it lists the files and try to reinstall the package, the files exist here
[22:23] <yofel> mikkelgj: dpkg -L
[22:24] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: Installing bcmwl drivers fails as there is no internet connection??
[22:24] <LinuxGuy2009>  the_student: info about what?
[22:25] <the_student> You said 1sec
[22:25] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: 1 sec
[22:25] <the_student> Ok
[22:25] <mikkelgj> yofel, it lists a lot of files, but none in /usr/lib32 tho
[22:25] <yofel> odd, here's my listing: http://paste.ubuntu.com/420058/
[22:26] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: installing archives for dkms seems to require a connection for archives... No worries i'll wait..
[22:26] <yofel> mikkelgj: are you on i386 or amd64?
[22:26] <mikkelgj> i386
[22:26] <yofel> ah, I'm using amd64
[22:26] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: /media/Ubuntu 10.04 i386/pool/restricted/b/bcmwl
[22:26] <mikkelgj> yofel, ahh okay. Seems like i have everything else, except the lib32 files
[22:27] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: install that
[22:27] <LinuxGuy2009> /media/Ubuntu 10.04 i386/pool/restricted/b/bcmwl/bcmwl-kernel-source_5.60.48.36+bdcom-0ubuntu2_i386.deb
[22:27] <yofel> mikkelgj: you should have files in /usr/lib and /usr/lib64 then I guess, maybe the package wrongly assumes that it's on 64bit
[22:28] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: that's what i did. It still seems to install b43-fwcutter?? (according to terminal)
[22:28] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby:/media/Ubuntu 10.04 i386/pool/main/b/b43-fwcutter/b43-fwcutter_012-1build1_i386.deb
[22:28] <bjsnider> mikkelgj, are you on 32-bit or 64-bit?
[22:29] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby:Just satisfy each dependency as you go.
[22:29] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: There is only like 4 or 5
[22:30] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: That's the issue, two of the packages. namely b43fwcutter and bcmwl fail for lack of internet connection.
[22:30] <Ken8521> bushbaby, dont have an ethernet cable for 3min?
[22:31] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: You dont need an internet connection if you manually install them. All dependencies of the packages in the CD pool folder are all there.
[22:31] <mikkelgj> bjsnider, 32bit
[22:31] <bushbaby> Ken8521: Unfortunately not. unless i can connect through another box??
[22:31] <mikkelgj> yofel, maybe? I dont have any files in lib64 either tho
[22:31] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: if its jumping online again then that means you didnt disable all the repos/
[22:31] <Ken8521> bushbaby, like LinuxGuy2009 said, i think the depenedencies for that package are on the CD, so just make sure your CD is in your repo list
[22:32] <LinuxGuy2009> exactly
[22:32] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: That's what i would have though but the installation fails and says explicitly cannot connect to site . No internet connection
[22:32] <EagleScreen> they could be in the Alternate CD, but not in the Desktop CD
[22:32] <LinuxGuy2009> remove all other repo sources so it goes only to the CD
[22:32] <Ken8521> eagles05138785, i believe the alt. cd can also be a repo.
[22:32] <LinuxGuy2009> Ive installed these myself all the deps are there
[22:33] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: It worked seamlessly for me on 9.10 so i've no idea why it's not working from cd here??
[22:33] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby:All repo sources removed but CD/DVD>
[22:33] <LinuxGuy2009> ?
[22:33] <LinuxGuy2009> Pastebin your sources.list if you need to
[22:34] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: yes, i have followed all the above steps..:\
[22:34] <bjsnider> mikkelgj, is that a clean install from the beta 2 cd or an upgrade?
[22:34] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: I can confirm that my sources list is completely commented bar the CD line
[22:35] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby:Now browse to the packages I mentioned the locations of and double click one. It should say in gdebi that some other package is required. just find the new package that is needed on the cd and then try and install that first,
[22:35] <mikkelgj> bjsnider, clean install
[22:36] <mikkelgj> bjsnider, I just finished getting all the updates available, i will reboot and then give it another try
[22:36] <Ian_Corne> anyone got the xorg memleak?
[22:36] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: I have done this. the b43fwcutter package requires openwrt for install. and bcmwl relys on b43fwcutter..
[22:36] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: yes and they are all on the cd
[22:36] <Ian_Corne> I'm up 5h and no leak yet
[22:37] <Ian_Corne> or at least, I don't notice it yet
[22:37] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: no, openwrt asin a site that the deb package is trying to get archives from..
[22:37] <vled> Ian_Corne: no leak here
[22:37] <Ian_Corne> This does not affect cards using proprietary drivers or not using DRI2. Intel will always be affected since DRI2 is used with and without KMS, ATI uses DRI1 without KMS.
[22:38] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: no packages should be getting anything online if you had indeed removed all repo sources.
[22:38] <vled> Ian_Corne: I'm on Intel; it's a Macbook 2,1
[22:38] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: please pastebin your sources.list?
[22:38] <Ken8521> bushbaby, you are using a 10.04 live CD, right?
[22:38] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: If i had connection on the system i would..
[22:39] <LinuxGuy2009> Ah true
[22:39] <LinuxGuy2009> hehe
[22:39] <Ken8521> doesn't make sense, you should be able to apt-get the broadcom driver, w/ your CD as the only source
[22:39] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: delete your sources.list completely. start it over
[22:39] <bushbaby> Ken8521: I installed to a new system from liveCD it's in a seperate partition
[22:39] <vled> does anybody see a permanent high load?
[22:39] <bushbaby> LinuxGuy2009: ok
[22:40] <LinuxGuy2009> vled: no I dont see anything unusual here
[22:40] <vled> my load is typically .90, never lower than .6
[22:40] <vled> i upgraded from 9.10.
[22:40] <LinuxGuy2009> vled: thats not high at all
[22:40] <yofel> vled: I had intel graphics driver leak issues which caused a load of 20-30 here, but that seems to have been fixed
[22:41] <Ian_Corne> which is wied as I'm not doing much
[22:41] <vled> I also run a desktop that typically does 0.02 at idling
[22:41] <LinuxGuy2009> bushbaby: sources.list gone now?
[22:41] <bushbaby> unfortunately i have to go but thanks for help so far i shall try again later.
[22:42] <vled> yofel: I had nothing that extreme!
[22:42] <yofel> vled: well, my system was pretty unusable then, but that was a bu
[22:42] <yofel> g
[22:43] <yofel> vled: I have a server with a load of ~2.5, my EeePC runs at ~1 and my desktop at ~0.5
[22:43] <mikkelgj> bjsnider, yofel, what the hell..... Apparently ubuntu just threw that error for no apparent reason. At least it claims that the driver is now installed and activated.
[22:43] <yofel> ...
[22:43] <vled> I am generally very happy, but I would like to go the load down a bit. I'm not sure how it affects battery life.
[22:44] <vled> There are many daemons running... shouldn't hald have gone by now? Or was that just a marketing story?
[22:44] <yofel> vled: for battery life 'powertop' is a nice app to check what's running
[22:44] <Blue11> ahh this explains a lot:  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA
[22:44] <vled> yofel: thanks! installing now...
[22:44] <yofel> vled: ubuntu doesn't  need it by default, but many apps like pitivi or KDE start it when needed
[22:45] <mikkelgj> yofel, but how can it be activated and working? That error sounded critical enough for it not to be
[22:45] <vled> yofel: I'm sure I've got hald running even right after startup. I should check what triggers it then...
[22:46] <Milos_SD> Hi
[22:46] <yofel> vled: HAL is started by dbus if an application tries to access it
[22:46] <Milos_SD> Is it safe to do Read/Write benchmark from Disk Utility on disk where are root and home partitions?
[22:47] <yofel> mikkelgj: maybe it was just ignored, seems  like it tried to create x86_64 alternative on an x86 system which obviously won't worrk
[22:47] <vled> yofel: thanks for explaining. It's all kind of new to me.
[22:49] <mikkelgj> yofel, hmm
[22:50] <pasjdhf> Ubuntu thinks my system has a floppy drive when it doesn't. How do I fix this?
[22:51] <Milos_SD> Is it safe to do Read/Write benchmark from Disk Utility?
[22:51] <yofel> Milos_SD: I don't know what Disk Utility is, but it should only use the free space for benchmarks
[22:51] <Milos_SD> I aks becouse it aks if I'm sure I want to do that, and for Read benchmark doesn't
[22:51] <vled> anyone know where /etc/modutils went?
[22:51] <ojii> how would i tell lucid to use scim per default for all inputs?
[22:52] <Milos_SD> yoasif, System -> Administration -> Disk Utility :)
[22:52] <Milos_SD> it is there by default
[22:52] <yofel> Milos_SD: I use KDE, so it's not there by default here ;)
[22:52] <yofel> let me check
[22:53] <yofel> Milos_SD: ok, I don't know, the message could  be improved :/
[22:54] <pasjdhf> How do I get rid of a phantom floppy drive?
[22:54] <cozziemoto> hey guys...installed secure-delete and it doesnt have the usual options nor does it have any man page  and in other versions of ubuntu it does... anyone use secure-delete here?
[22:54] <yofel> vled: I have /etc/modutils/ here (setserial has a file in there)
[22:55] <vled> yofel: who owns that file?
[22:56] <yofel> vled: 660106 4.0K -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 651 2008-11-06 00:06 /etc/modutils/setserial [part of setserial: /etc/modutils/setserial]
[22:58] <vled> yofel: ok, as long as that is still used, that's good.
[22:59] <yofel> cozziemoto: odd, secure delete hasn't changed much since karmic actually the only change worth to mention is "* Rename smem to sdmem to avoid name clash with smem package"
[23:00] <h00k> I was talking to some people about possibly chromium causing a memory leak, turns out it was probably the xorg that was just announced :)
[23:00] <h00k> *that I just found out about
[23:00] <git__> how fast is the memory leak?
[23:00] <git__> does it occur within the hour?
[23:00] <mewshi> can someone help me get my wireless working under lucid?
[23:01] <h00k> git__: I don't know
[23:01] <zonkers> holy cap memory leak???
[23:01] <yofel> bug 565981 ?
[23:01] <psdfhg> Ubuntu thinks my system has a floppy drive when it doesn't. How do I fix this?
[23:01] <Ken8521> mewshi, whats your wireless device?
[23:01] <mewshi> bcm4312
[23:01] <Ken8521> mewshi, did you activate the restricted driver?
[23:01] <h00k> yofel: perhaps
[23:01] <ZykoticK9> The mem leak even made it to slashdot -- glad i'm using proprietary nvidia drivers
[23:01] <mewshi> Crap.  Thank you!
[23:02] <h00k> ZykoticK9: yes, that one.
[23:02] <Ken8521> mewshi, lol
[23:02] <h00k> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA
[23:02] <h00k> yofel: that'd be it
[23:02] <yofel> h00k: try the fixed package in x-updates, and add the results of your test to the wiki page
[23:02] <zonkers> i wonder if that will push back the release date
[23:02] <h00k> yofel: that's what I'm doing now. Should I do this with the proprietary drivers or nouveau?
[23:03] <mewshi> it doesn't show up under restricted drivers.
[23:03] <yofel> nouveau I guess, as the proprietary driver have their own glx libs
[23:03] <yofel> so they should be fine
[23:03] <h00k> yofel: ah, the problem I had before was memory related but I'm using nvidia. oh well, off to test this.
[23:03] <mewshi> Ken8521, any other ideas?
[23:04] <Ken8521> mewshi, are you sure?
[23:04] <yofel> odd thing is I haven't rebooted for a while and have glx 1.4 running on intel, the memory useage is fine, but the gem object count keeps increasing
[23:04] <mewshi> system -> administration -> hardware drivers, right?
[23:04] <yofel> but memory stays at 100-200MiB
[23:05] <Ken8521> mewshi, yea
[23:05] <Ken8521> mewshi, 32 or 64bit?
[23:05] <mewshi> 32
[23:05] <bjsnider> yofel, it should increase until it gives up and dies
[23:06] <yofel> bjsnider: well, not here, maybe I'm running some version from before the leak occured, I only used  suspend the last few days
[23:07] <bjsnider> not if your glx version is 1.4
[23:07]  * h00k removes proprietary driver
[23:08] <mewshi> how do I get my wireless working? XD
[23:08] <yofel> oh wait, I have compositing disabled at the moment in kwin as I was running on battery a lot lately, guess that's why I'm fine :D
[23:08] <Ken8521> mewshi, does the machine have non-wireless internet?
[23:08] <mewshi> no, i'm connecting with my brain :P  Of course it does :)
[23:09] <Ken8521> you don't have to be a smartass, i thought maybe you had booted to windows when it didn't work
[23:09] <Ken8521> if you're so damn smart, use your brain and google
[23:09] <mewshi> Oh, come now XD
[23:13] <ashi> 8
[23:16] <vled> yofel: thanks for the help! load is still high but maybe I'll sleep easier now ;-)
[23:17] <h00k> yofel: I think mine are climbing.
[23:18] <yofel> well, 1 isn't high really, and I think it depends on your hardware, the 1 on my EeePC has less stuff running than the 0.5 on my desktop
[23:18] <vled> true that. I've got tons running.
[23:18] <yofel> h00k: could be, I have not GL app running at the moment, let me enable compositing again and check
[23:19] <h00k> yofel: in this bug, do the numbers *NOT* drop?
[23:19] <yofel> h00k: that I don't know, but for some reporters the numbers got high enough to cause an integer overflow (negative byte count)
[23:20] <vled> Has anybody had problems with ssh-agent not getting started anymore?
[23:20] <h00k> mine have floated between 302 and 294, I'll keep a watch. I'm pretty sure my netbook was affected, also
[23:20] <h00k> yofel: thanks for the info
[23:21] <yofel> ok, kwin compositing on again, let's wait and see
[23:22] <osmosis> lucid is unstable on ATI video cards. using both free and proprietary drivers.
[23:23] <sdest> i havent had any issues with video
[23:23] <chorse> lucid runs stable on my ATI chip using the free default driver.
[23:23] <sdest> the worst i get is my wireless randomly disconnecting non stop
[23:27] <vled> sdest: this is worse than before, or with other systems?
[23:27] <sdest> is what worse?
[23:27] <vled> your wireless
[23:28] <sdest> doesnt happen at all in windows, never happened before i upgraded to lucid
[23:28] <sdest> ubuntu wise that is
[23:28] <h00k> yofel: do you know what the number has to approach to die?
[23:28] <vled> I've noticed something similar. My wireless runs fine, and then after a while it disconnects. I have to disable/reenable the card to get connected again.
[23:29] <sdest> mines through a usb thing, so i just yoink it out, and put it back in, sometimes it doesnt, other times i need to reboot
[23:30] <yofel> h00k: no idea, I guess when you run out of memory, the gem memory usage has increased here since I enabled compositing, but it seems that some objects do get freed and it doesn't increase very fast
[23:30] <h00k> yofel: I do notice some get freed, but I can raise them a lot by rolling over docky a ton
[23:30] <vled> sdest: anything from iwevent?
[23:31] <sdest> no idea about that, how would i check
[23:31] <vled> run iwevent on the commandline. It will show some events.
[23:32] <sdest> right now it just says waiting for wireless events
[23:32] <vled> but I find wireless problems notoriously hard to debug
[23:32] <sdest> should i leave it running?
[23:32] <vled> yeah so nothing much is happening.
[23:32] <vled> every now and again a scan request.
[23:32] <yofel> h00k: ok, it does seem to be increasing here, I don't have much memory here at the moment, (2GiB RAM without swap) and not much free so I should run oom at some point
[23:32] <sdest> yeah it just did a scan request
[23:33] <yofel> I had ~220MiB used after enabling compositing, not gem is up to 370MiB
[23:33] <h00k> yofel: this will be hard for me, I have 3GiB RAM (and 3GiB swap)
[23:33] <sdest> today its only happened once so far, but usually it occurs way more than that, it seems totally unpredictable
[23:34] <yofel> h00k: well, I turned swap off after trying to debug I think this exact memory leak, but it seems I worked around it without noticing by  disabling compositing
[23:35] <AmunRa> Hello! How can I move the window buttons to the right?? -- I tried the ":minimize,maximise,close" setting.. after a reboot no effect
[23:35] <h00k> !controls | AmunRa
[23:35] <vled> h00k: you could of course run with less memory, just tell grub that mem=256M
[23:35] <h00k> vled: I...could give that a shot, yeah.
[23:36] <equivoc> hi, is there a way to fix a "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" without reinstall? i'm on 10.04 and got that problem 3 days ago upon update/upgrade
[23:36] <AmunRa> is that going to be the case even after beta?? I really don't think this is a good idea
[23:36] <foxmulder881> equivoc, I had the very same issue after an install and was not able to fix it but fresh install.
[23:36] <equivoc> hmm :-(
[23:37] <h00k> AmunRa: yep.
[23:37] <AmunRa> oh dear
[23:37] <h00k> I'm up to 40megs
[23:38] <AmunRa> I've been using a mac for the last two years and buttons on the left still annoy me!
[23:38] <yofel> I'm at ~440MiB now
[23:38] <AmunRa> (in fact this is a mactel I'm installing on)
[23:38] <h00k> yofel: how many objects do you have?
[23:38] <yofel> http://paste.ubuntu.com/420079/
[23:39] <mininessie> is the rc out yet
[23:39] <yofel> nice, the kwin 'opening firefox' animation seems to have added +30MiB to that
[23:39] <foxmulder881> mininessie, still b2.
[23:39] <mininessie> okay
[23:40] <h00k> yofel: http://pastebin.com/p3XZJ45n
[23:40] <h00k> yofel: I'm not sure what the other numbers represent
[23:40] <yofel> h00k: I had that object count even with a lower ram usage before, I guess that was caused by me running it for a few days without rebooting
[23:40] <foxmulder881> I'm waiting also for RC to upgrade my server.
[23:41] <h00k> yofel: so, I suppose I'm not exactly sure what to report
[23:41] <vled> foxmulder881: so once it's out, it's just 'aptitude upgrade' or?
[23:41] <the_dark_warrio> I'm having trouble to turn Ubuntu on. It starts a disk check and stops at 74%
[23:41] <the_dark_warrio> any hints?
[23:41] <yofel> well, it does seem to have a memory leak here, I'll test the fix later
[23:42] <yofel> I'm at 500 now...
[23:42] <foxmulder881> vled, I'll be fresh installing.
[23:42] <h00k> yofel: mine isn't that high at all, but my uptime is only 29 mins
[23:43] <yofel> h00k: well, I had 3days uptime with ~150MiB ram used by gem, I turned GL compositing on for 20min now and I'm at 500
[23:43] <yofel> 530...
[23:44] <frewsxcv-work> hal fails to start for me, any ideas? Starting Hardware abstraction layer: haldinvoke-rc.d: initscript hal, action "start" failed.
[23:44] <h00k> yofel: you're using 'object bytes' as reference?
[23:44] <yofel> h00k: yes
[23:44] <yofel> frewsxcv-work: it's not a system service anymore, hal get's started by dbus if an application needs it
[23:45] <frewsxcv-work> yofel: sorry, i'm not running ubuntu+1
[23:45] <yofel> ah
[23:45] <h00k> yofel: I'm at 386mb
[23:46] <yofel> h00k: the object count varies, but it does keep slowly increasing too, was at ~11k when I enabled compositing and now I'm at 11850
[23:46] <h00k> yofel: it does, it slowly decreases here as well, but it's still up to 4667
[23:46] <yofel> 11900 with 590MiB used...
[23:46] <ChrisC_> Hi the channel.
[23:46] <KB1JWQ> ChrisC_: What do the logs say?
[23:46] <ChrisC_> I need some help.
[23:47] <ChrisC_> What am I supposed to do with the logs?
[23:47] <ChrisC_> I think my problem possibly a simple one.
[23:48] <ChrisC_> You see I boot up fine, then when it gets to the GDM nothing but a blank screen.
[23:48] <KB1JWQ> ChrisC_: Out of curiosity, if you don't know enough to answer that question, why are you running a pre-release version? :-)
[23:48] <ChrisC_> I was impatient.
[23:48] <KB1JWQ> Lucid is not released, nor is it stable.
[23:48] <ChrisC_> And out of curiosity.
[23:49] <KB1JWQ> ChrisC_: I presume you have backups?
[23:49] <ChrisC_> Can I get help here or not?
[23:49] <ChrisC_> Yes I have backups.
[23:49] <ChrisC_> But I think I might br
[23:49] <KB1JWQ> ChrisC_: Drop it to console, see what the logs say.
[23:49] <h00k> yofel: 405mb, looks like I have it here, pretty definitely.
[23:49] <ChrisC_> Arhhh, that's what I want to do, how?
[23:49] <KB1JWQ> Ctrl-Alt-F1
[23:50] <leagris> Is itsafe or usable to use btrfs now for data partitions and or system boot partition ?
[23:50] <equivoc> is there a way to fix a "Kernel panic - not syncing: VFS: Unable to mount root fs on unknown-block(0,0)" without reinstall? i'm on 10.04 and got that problem 3 days ago upon update/upgrade
[23:50] <ChrisC_> How can I access Grub before boot, I can't remember which one it is F7 or something else.
[23:50] <KB1JWQ> leagris: I'd give it another revision or two, but I'm conservative like that.
[23:50] <yofel> h00k: I'm at 620 now, after dropping caches free tells me I have 120MB RAM left, so I should run out soon
[23:50] <KB1JWQ> ChrisC_: Hold down Shift.
[23:50] <KB1JWQ> ChrisC_: But dropping it to console should work if GDM is misbehaving.
[23:50] <h00k> yofel: I'm pretty sure that if this continues, I'll be at the same point
[23:50] <ChrisC_> I have tried that and it's not worked.
[23:51] <h00k> yofel:
[23:51] <h00k> yofel:
[23:51] <h00k> c'mon.
[23:51] <h00k> http://pastebin.com/Dpx2kshB
[23:51] <h00k> there we go.
[23:51] <ChrisC_> My theory is it's my graphics card miss behaving.
[23:51] <leagris> thanks KB1JWQ
[23:52] <ChrisC_> I have an ATI Radeon any known issues there?
[23:52] <eremite> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJFsv_eWzkI  has an interview with Linus Torvalds, incase anyone was interested.
[23:52] <h00k> eremite: that's more suited for #ubuntu-offtopic
[23:52] <eremite> h00k: it was one sentence.  Cry about it.
[23:53] <yofel> h00k: http://paste.ubuntu.com/420086/
[23:53] <ChrisC_> I'll press shift and see what grub says. brb. Cheers.
[23:55] <AmunRa> hello! what is the recommended course of action when 10.4 comes out... I'm running beta2.. would I need to re-install?
[23:55] <h00k> AmunRa: nope, just keep it up-to-date and you'll be right there with it
[23:55] <AmunRa> good to know, thanks
[23:56] <AmunRa> there's a taskbar rendering bug.. where should I report it?
[23:57] <AmunRa> (I get two bluetooth icons and no wireless icon)
[23:57] <eremite> LaunchPad?
[23:57] <tenochslb> AmunRa, i have no wireless at all
[23:59] <AmunRa> tenochslb, are you saying this is a known issue?