[00:13] <Vantrax> ghostofmybrain, can you ping your router
[00:53] <shahan> hello
[00:54] <colorlessprism> hello
[00:54] <shahan> I need help for LAMM installation
[00:54] <shahan> LAMPP
[00:54] <phillw> shahan: one moment
[00:55] <phillw> are you on 9.10 ?
[00:55] <shahan> LAMP Server installation
[00:55] <shahan> phillw: yes.....
[00:55] <colorlessprism> http://www.howtoforge.com/ubuntu_lamp_for_newbies
[00:56] <phillw> forum.phillw.net/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=4
[00:56] <colorlessprism> lol
[00:56] <phillw> colorlessprism: wrong !!!!
[00:56] <Flare-Laptop> o.O
[00:56] <colorlessprism> not enough p's?
[00:56] <phillw> use tasksel
[00:56] <Flare-Laptop> phillw: I hate tasksel
[00:56] <Flare-Laptop> it removes stuff!!
[00:57] <Flare-Laptop> >.<
[00:57] <shahan> I have already installed system>synapticmanager>..........
[00:57] <phillw> flare, it just happens to work for lamp :-)
[00:57] <Flare-Laptop> phillw: yeah well, last time I used it, it removed dovecot
[00:57] <shahan> phillw: It works!  This is the default web page for this server.  The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet.
[00:58] <phillw> shahan: in that case, read the thread i posted and follow it on to ubuntu where i sorted out a really screwed up install.
[00:58] <shahan> phillw: but I cannt run the phpmyadmin
[00:58] <phillw> how did you install phpmyadmin ?
[01:00] <phillw> Flare-Laptop: and what does dovecot have to do with LAMP ?
[01:00] <Flare-Laptop> dovecot is the mail server
[01:01] <Flare-Laptop> tasksel told apt-get to remove it
[01:01] <Flare-Laptop> and I didn't want it to do that
[01:01] <phillw> nah,, you you don;t want to use that :-D
[01:03] <phillw> flurdy.com/docs/postfix/
[01:03] <shahan> phillw: sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin
[01:03] <shahan> phillw: but it says "Not Found  The requested URL /phpmyadmin was not found on this server. Apache/2.2.12 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80"
[01:04] <phillw> shahan: it will not link up, you need to use synaptics for it to work
[01:04] <phillw> shahan: ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1349863
[01:04] <shahan> phillw: I already installed it, the phpmyadmin.
[01:04] <shahan> :(
[01:05] <shahan> phillw: but not working
[01:05] <phillw> read the entire thread
[01:05] <shahan> phillw: ok
[01:06] <phillw> shahan: that is why I tell people to use tasksel
[01:07] <shahan> phillw: hmm
[01:07] <phillw> they don't have to pick up the bits after the instructions they were using messed up & come here for help
[01:09] <shahan> phillw: when system asked for root password I just pressed "forword". Didnt set any password
[01:10] <ghostofmybrain> Vantrax: yes, I can ping the router. how do I make it stop pinging now? lol
[01:11] <phillw> shahan: at what point did it ask you for a password, and in which version of the installtaion of either lamp or phpmyadmin?
[01:12] <shahan> I dont know the version....
[01:12] <shahan> phillw: I just installed from synaptic>Edit>Mark packages by task
[01:12] <Vantrax> ghostofmybrain, hit Ctrl Z
[01:13] <Vantrax> or was it Ctrl C
[01:13] <shahan> phillw: then just selected the LAMP server for installation
[01:13] <phillw> shahan: ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=8657508&postcount=29
[01:13] <phillw> i do not know where you are up to, but if you have lamp on, that will reset phpmyadmin
[01:13] <Vantrax> ghostofmybrain, have you made any changes to the network config on your box?
[01:15] <ghostofmybrain> Vantrax, No, the only thing I've done is assigned it an internal IP
[01:15] <Vantrax> you assigned it at the PC end
[01:15] <Vantrax> or at the router
[01:15] <shahan> phillw: Deconfigure database for phpmyadmin with dbconfig-common?
[01:15] <shahan> check or not?
[01:16] <phillw> shahan: have you installed phpmyadim ?
[01:16] <shahan> phillw: I  m in synaptic to remove it
[01:16] <shahan> i installed it by sudo apt-get install phpmyadmin
[01:16] <phillw> yes, remove it, then use synaptic to re-install it
[01:17] <ghostofmybrain> Vantrax, I assigned it at the PC end
[01:17] <phillw> using apt-get fails
[01:17] <shahan> in synaptic I selected to remove completely
[01:17] <shahan> phillw: but a box has come
[01:17] <phillw> shahan: yes
[01:18] <phillw> box   ?
[01:18] <shahan> phillw: A check box with "Deconfigure database for phpmyadmin with dbconfig-common?"
[01:18] <shahan> phillw: will I check it?
[01:18] <phillw> tell it yes, get on with it
[01:20] <shahan> phillw: tnx
[01:20] <shahan> its working now
[01:20] <shahan> phillw: another problem
[01:21] <shahan> phillw: what is my username and password?
[01:21] <shahan> :(
[01:21] <Vantrax> ghostofmybrain, remove that and let it DHCP
[01:21] <shahan> phillw: phpmyadmin username and password?
[01:21] <phillw> shahan: I am good, bit I'm not that good ;-)
[01:22] <Vantrax> ghostofmybrain, if you staticly assign an IP it will never appear in the routers DHCP list, as it will not DHCP
[01:22] <shahan> phillw: I dont know my phpmyadmin password
[01:22] <phillw> shahan: whatever you set up when you installed the system
[01:23] <shahan> phillw: username what? root?
[01:23] <phillw> when you set up the mysql system you would have been asked to a password & verify it
[01:23] <shahan> phillw: yes...but I forward that without giving any password
[01:24] <phillw> your 1st name via phpmyadim is the root one, the 1st task when you get logged oon is to make new user
[01:24] <ghostofmybrain> Vantrax Hmmm, interesting
[01:25] <shahan> phillw: !!!
[01:25] <phillw> shahan: root as name password should be your own password
[01:26] <shahan> phillw: do u have teamviewer installed in ur system?
[01:26] <phillw> shahan: nope
[01:26] <phillw> have you got on to your sysytem?
[01:26] <shahan> phillw: http://www.teamviewer.com/download/index.aspx
[01:27] <shahan> phillw: if u install it it will be easier to help me :)
[01:27] <shahan> phillw: please
[01:27] <shahan> phillw: its a remote access software
[01:27] <Vantrax> ghostofmybrain, wish i would have known that first up, could have told you that straight away
[01:27] <phillw> i cannot do that, i vary on my internet & cannot be there 24/7
[01:28] <shahan> phillw: ok...sorry :(
[01:28] <LizardK|ng> can someone please help me get ALSA without pulseaudio to work in karmic?  my soundcard shows up in lspci, and in /proc/asound/cards but i can't open alsamixer: "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory"
[01:28] <shahan> phillw: will I delete LAMP? and install again?
[01:28] <shahan> phillw: to get password?
[01:29] <phillw> shahan:  the forums & here on irc are the best places to ask, there will be some one who can help available as fast as there is
[01:29] <LizardK|ng> its really starting to frustrate me (and my dog, as he missed his walk tonight because i was trying to get the sound working)
[01:29] <shahan> phillw: from tasksel?
[01:29] <shahan> phillw: will I remove it?
[01:30] <shahan> phillw: my LAMP server?
[01:30] <phillw> shahan: which part can you not access ? phpmyadmin should let you in with root & your passwird
[01:30] <Vantrax> LizardK|ng, i dont think you can do it without pulse, or at least ive never seen it
[01:30] <LizardK|ng> i did it yesterday when i installed the system
[01:30] <shahan> phillw: now everthing is ok...but I dont know which one is mine username and password
[01:31] <shahan> phillw: in phpmyadmin page
[01:31] <LizardK|ng> it was mostly working and i was trying to make it fully working and destroyed it
[01:31] <zeroseven0183> LizardK|ng: Did you try working on a different kernel?
[01:32] <LizardK|ng> no, its the same kernel
[01:34] <LizardK|ng> anyway, i have libpulse0
[01:35] <LizardK|ng> and trying to install pluseaudio gives me unmet dependencies
[01:35] <phillw> shahan: if you can log on, you need to read up on how phpmyadmin works www.youtube.com/watch?v=1-81n_vuwug
[01:35] <LizardK|ng> god i screwed this up
[01:35] <LizardK|ng> maybe i'll just reinstall
[01:35] <LizardK|ng> everything
[01:36] <shahan> phillw: tnx
[01:37] <shahan> phillw: hey...do u know how to download youtube in ubuntu?
[01:37] <shahan> phillw: youtube video
[01:39] <shahan> phillw: I have reinstalled the LAMP with a mysql root password
[01:39] <shahan> now its working
[01:39] <shahan> phillw: tnx mr. for ur kind
[01:40] <shahan> How to download youtube Video in ubuntu 9.10
[01:40] <phillw> shahan: its sad, that it is so easy, but that google still posts up the wrong instructions :-(
[01:40] <shahan> phillw: yes....
[01:40] <shahan> phillw: however....next time I will configure it easily :)
[01:41] <shahan> phillw: do u know how to download youtube video in ubuntu 9.10
[01:43] <phillw> shahan: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RestrictedFormats.  get the driver pack from there " click here to get ..."
[01:44] <shahan> phillw: I can run .....
[01:44] <shahan> phillw: I want to download video from youtube
[01:44] <LizardK|ng> no one can help me?
[01:45] <phillw> if you have firefox as your browswer i am told that there is sometihng that can be added, but i have no experiance of it
[01:46] <phillw> LizardK|ng: wb, how may i help ?
[01:49] <shahan> phillw: I got a simplest way
[01:50] <LizardK|ng> i am trying to get alsa working again it is just failing
[01:51] <LizardK|ng> and i'm totally frustrated at this point
[01:51] <LizardK|ng> i keep getting alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory
[01:51] <phillw> LizardK|ng: can you give me some specs of your computer & I will go have a look for you
[01:51] <LizardK|ng> and i ate some bad salad and turkey :(
[01:52] <LizardK|ng> its a dell latitude 620, 00:1b.0 Audio device: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller (rev 01),
[01:53] <LizardK|ng> running karmic
[01:53] <LizardK|ng> what else do you need?
[01:55] <phillw> dell is handy, as there is a dell section on the main forum, they're pretty active.. give me a min to dial it up
[01:55] <phillw> ubuntuforums.org/forumdisplay.php?f=342
[01:56] <phillw> LizardK|ng: , trust me, they're pretty darn good over there :-)
[01:57] <LizardK|ng> it was mostly working yesterday and i had to screw with it for the last bit, instead of just restarting my app when needed
[01:58] <HentaiPCBSD> sup
[02:01] <phillw> LizardK|ng: from what i have seen, you should make  Seperate home directory, that way you can 'play' with operating systems?
[02:01] <LizardK|ng> huh?
[02:02] <LizardK|ng> well
[02:03] <LizardK|ng> apparently, its my kernel
[02:03] <phillw> LzrdKing: can i recommend www.psychocats.net/ubuntu/separatehome
[02:03] <LizardK|ng> what are you talking about?
[02:03] <LizardK|ng> what are -pae kernels?
[02:04] <phillw> kernels -- huh, installs, huh ..... a safe /home :-)
[02:04] <LizardK|ng> what?!?
[02:04] <LizardK|ng> i'm trying to gwrt sound working
[02:04] <LizardK|ng> get
[02:04] <LizardK|ng> whats that have to do with /home?
[02:06] <LizardK|ng> damn, laptop battery is about to die, wifes gonna be home soon, and we have no sound on our htpc
[02:07] <phillw> LzrdKing: well, in my experiance when people get 'fed up' they just re-install, so having a seperate /home menas you keep all your stuff?
[02:07] <LizardK|ng> i have nothing in /home
[02:08] <shahan> going to study ....
[02:08] <phillw> (02:06:55) LizardK|ng: damn, laptop battery is about to die, wifes gonna be home soon,  So it appears
[02:08] <shahan> bey for now
[02:09] <phillw> (02:07:35) LizardK|ng: i have nothing in /home
[02:10] <LizardK|ng> huh?
[02:10] <LizardK|ng> phillw, are you making fun of me?
[02:10] <LizardK|ng> here is my /home: alsa-info.sh  boxee-0.9.20.10710.i486.deb  boxee-0.9.21.11487.i486.deb  Downloads  NVIDIA-Linux-x86-190.42-pkg1.run  Xsession
[02:12] <ghostofmybrain> is there a quick way to see if DHCP is enabled?
[02:14] <LizardK|ng> aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found...
[02:16] <shahan> phillw: hi
[02:16] <shahan> I copied a file on /var/www/Wordpress
[02:16] <shahan> but "Forbidden  You don't have permission to access /wordpress/ on this server. Apache/2.2.12 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80"
[02:17] <shahan> this is appearing
[02:17] <shahan> phillw: what can I do now?
[02:17] <shahan> phillw: how to set permission?
[02:20] <shahan> problem with LAMP
[02:20] <shahan> LAMP and phpmyadmin
[02:21] <shahan> any one here who can help me?
[02:22] <phillw> shahan: you are not using ubuntu ?
[02:22] <shahan> !!!
[02:22] <shahan> phillw: what happened to me?
[02:24] <phillw> shahan: you installed your lamp other than what i said to do, so you need to ask the person who gave you the instructions
[02:25] <shahan> phillw: the way I followed instructed by ubuntu support documentation
[02:25] <shahan> phillw: that was the official procdure of the ubuntu
[02:25] <phillw> you can 'try' the tasksel installation to over write it.
[02:26] <pedro3005> phillw, chown?
[02:26] <phillw> shahan: I have had a 'row' over the documentation, but we are stuck with it for the time being
[02:26] <shahan> I have already overwrite it
[02:27] <shahan> phillw: now following ur instruction
[02:27] <phillw> shahan: get a terminal session and use tasksel
[02:28] <shahan> phillw: I have used tasksel to install LAMP
[02:28] <shahan> phillw: now all the thing is ur procedure
[02:33] <shahan> phillw: !!!
[02:35] <phillw> shahan: ???
[02:36] <shahan> I have copied wordpress folder into /var/www/
[02:36] <shahan> phillw: but the browser now says "Forbidden  You don't have permission to access /wordpress/ on this server. Apache/2.2.12 (Ubuntu) Server at localhost Port 80"
[02:36] <shahan> phillw: why?
[02:41] <phillw> shahan: ls -al /var/www
[02:42] <shahan> phillw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/419569/
[02:47] <phillw> shahan: is that via your browser ?
[02:48] <shahan> phillw: yes
[02:48] <shahan> phillw: I run the command u gave in terminal
[02:48] <shahan> and this is the output of this command
[02:49] <phillw> let me just check on how much permissions that should be given
[02:51] <shahan> phillw: ok
[02:53] <phillw> is this only on your system that no one from the web has access to ?
[02:54] <shahan> phillw: yes
[02:54] <shahan> phillw: no one access
[02:56] <phillw> needs 644 access,
[02:57] <shahan> phillw: how to do it
[02:57] <phillw> cd
[02:57] <phillw> tell me the output of ls -l
[02:57] <shahan> cd?
[02:58] <shahan> phillw: ok
[02:58] <shahan> phillw: http://paste.ubuntu.com/419577/
[06:05] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> what is the force command for installing on 64 bit
[06:14] <znxtch> I played with Compiz advanced effects.  I got in over my head so I deleted the Compiz advanced effects package in an attempt to restore everything to default appearance settings.  Everything looks like it has returned to normal EXCEPT my window minimize and maximize animation. I tried going to System>Pref>Appeareance and setting the display settngs back to 'Normal'.  But it did not work.  My windows have a very fast shimmying effect and then they
[06:14] <znxtch> "suck" to
 the bottom of the screen.
[06:14] <znxtch> Does anyone know how to turn this off?
[06:17] <swoody> znxtch: well, in that Preferences menu, you can either turn off the effects completely, or you'll probably have to go back into CompizConfig Manager and undo the changes manually :/
[06:17] <swoody> I don't know of an easier way offhand
[06:18] <znxtch> CompizConfig is the big ass one right?
[06:19] <swoody> znxtch: yep :) And please watch your language here, it may not be busy right now, but this is a family-friendly channel :)
[06:20] <znxtch> Oh give me a break.  That is how I best convey myself.  Why should my societal norm be censored to fit yours?
[06:20] <znxtch> Just kidding
[06:20] <znxtch> Thank for the help
[06:21] <swoody> znxtch: haha, well this isn't for me, we do have young users around here, so we would like to keep things clean :)
[06:21] <swoody> znxtch: and it's np :)
[06:22] <znxtch> You know if profanity is really that big of a concern to you I suggest you take a good look at the world we're living in and. . .shutting the fuck up.
[06:22]  * znxtch waits for a kick
[06:22] <znxtch> lol
[06:24] <swoody> znxtch: I understand what you mean, and believe me outside of IRC I have the mouth of a sailor, but again, this is for the good of the channel, not my personal opinion :)
[06:24] <znxtch> You sound like a communist, "for the good of the channel"
[06:24] <znxtch> in other news. . .
[06:25] <znxtch> I reinstalled compiz config
[06:25] <znxtch> I had the random effects checked
[06:25] <znxtch> unchecked it
[06:25] <znxtch> I'm back to normal baby!
[06:25] <swoody> very good to hear :)
[06:25] <znxtch> Thank you.  For the motherland!
[06:25] <swoody> lol, it's np :)
[06:32] <paultag> Hahaha
[06:32] <paultag> znxtch, why, you want a kick? ;)
[06:32] <paultag> znxtch, Nah, I like you, kid. You seem goofy and likable
[06:32] <paultag> znxtch, you best listen to swoody though, he is our IRC op :)
[06:32] <paultag> and he is a chargen his lazers
[06:33] <swoody> >:D
[06:33] <swoody> no, I wasn't going to kick, just want to remind everyone that it's a family channel is all :)
[06:33] <znxtch> Family channel?
[06:33] <znxtch> I think you're delusional.
[06:33] <swoody> family-friendly :)
[06:34] <swoody> PG
[06:34] <swoody> Disney
[06:34] <znxtch> irc server in a room about linux
[06:34] <swoody> ;)
[06:34] <rww> !guidelines | znxtch
[06:34] <znxtch> i mean i dont imagine seeing many 8-12 year olds
[06:34] <rww> oh, no bot in here, nvm :)
[06:34] <znxtch> and once theyre 13, if theyre american, you know theyre already sexually active and smoking marijuana
[06:34] <znxtch> so. . .
[06:35] <paultag> znxtch, c'mon man. I'm with you but take it back, dude
[06:35] <paultag> throttle *
[06:35] <paultag> you don't have to take it back. I agree with you
[06:35] <paultag> just tone it down znxtch
[06:35] <znxtch> the dude abides
[06:35] <znxtch> and this room is quality
[06:35] <znxtch> so ill censor myself so i can stay
[06:35] <znxtch> :D
[06:35] <paultag> it really tied the room together DID IT NOT?
[06:35] <paultag> AM I WRONG?
[06:35] <znxtch> no
[06:35] <znxtch> you all banded against a common enemy
[06:35] <swoody> thanks znxtch, we really appreciate it :)
[06:35] <znxtch> me
[06:35]  * znxtch feels oppresed
[06:36] <paultag> Help, Help! I'm being oppressed!
[06:36] <swoody> lol, well we are communists ;)
[06:36] <MadameTock> You should feel oppressed.
[06:36] <swoody> I mean....
[06:36] <paultag> Aye, we sure are
[06:36] <znxtch> linux and the open source community is kind of communist
[06:36] <znxtch> lol
[06:36] <znxtch> the whole idea
[06:36] <paultag> znxtch, it's not kinda communist
[06:36] <paultag> znxtch, it is communist
[06:36] <znxtch> haha
[06:36] <paultag> znxtch, marxism, to be exact
[06:37] <znxtch> i think more people like it than they'll admit,  theyre is just such a sitgma nobody will say that like communism...or marxism for you paultag
[06:37] <paultag> znxtch, indeed the idea of no private property and sharing the resources of a pool of citizens is straight from marx. Indeed people can take what they want and give back what they feel is right
[06:37] <paultag> znxtch, I am a marxist :)
[06:38] <znxtch> i havent decided where i stand, i do think we're being globalised by a totalitarian government slowly but surely though
[06:38] <paultag> and we are taking down capitalism -- nonfree software
[06:38]  * znxtch just pulled an fbi agent off his current assignment
[06:38]  * znxtch is now being watched
[06:38] <swoody> lol
[06:38] <znxtch> and what am i doing about it!?
[06:38] <znxtch> im tinkering with a new os on my computer
[06:39] <znxtch> staring into the brightly colored screem
[06:39] <znxtch> screen
[06:41] <paultag> Well, that's a night fur me
[06:42] <paultag> cheers all :)
[06:42] <Raidsong> brightly colored screens make me happy
[06:42] <Raidsong> night paultag
[06:42]  * znxtch remember he has work
[06:42] <znxtch> It's almost robot time.
[06:42] <znxtch> gosh darnit to hector!
[06:42] <znxtch> is that better?
[06:43] <swoody> much :)
[06:43] <swoody> thank you :)
[06:43] <znxtch> i'm here to bend to the masses will
[06:43] <znxtch> np
[06:43] <paultag> znxtch, P.S. are you in Dulles, VA, 201166 USA ?
[06:44] <znxtch> haha no, that was random
[06:44] <paultag> You are bullshritting me
[06:44] <paultag> Anyway
[06:44] <paultag> znxtch, Just checking. Thanks, good night :)
[06:44] <znxtch> Why do you think that?
[06:44] <znxtch> Is that what my IP is showing?
[06:45] <paultag> yes znxtch, and if it's wrong then you are either using an out of state ISP and that is fine, or you are using a proxy
[06:45] <paultag> znxtch, just checking to see which it was
[06:45] <znxtch> Must be a proxy, I'm not even in the U.S.  right now
[06:45] <paultag> znxtch, night :)
[06:46] <znxtch> were you trying to digitally intimidate me
[06:46] <znxtch> ?
[06:47] <swoody> haha, no I don't think he was :)
[07:55] <gradje> idd
[07:58] <gradje> gelukt MFHP
[08:00] <gradje> je kunt ook /help intikken MFHP, dan krijg je alle mogelijke opdrachten te zien
[08:01] <Cugel> This is an English-speaking channel, gradje.
[08:02] <gradje> i'am so sorry
[10:57] <MFHP> help/
[11:02] <phillw> MFHP: in what way ?
[11:04] <MFHP> sorry try to get some help information about the IRC commands example /join etc.
[11:07] <phillw> MFHP: www.ircbeginner.com/ircinfo/ircc-commands.html
[11:08] <MFHP> Gonna take a look, thanks!
[11:10]  * phillw it would be /help ;-)
[12:05] <pedro3005> a
[13:29] <znxtch> paultag
[13:29] <znxtch> you here buddy>
[13:29] <znxtch> ?
[13:38] <compiledkernel> znxtch: probably not.
[15:01] <duanedesign> /28/31
[15:25] <shahan> I have a problem on installing a game from Debplay
[15:25] <shahan> playdeb.net
[15:26] <shahan> http://i714.photobucket.com/albums/ww145/shahan011/Screenshot.png it is appearing
[15:26] <shahan> dont know why
[15:47]  * LzrdKing facepalms
[15:47] <LzrdKing> well i think i fixed my audio error and if i did fix it, it was something realllllly stupid :P
[16:01] <LzrdKing> i installed xvncserver which is a separate X server but i really wanted to install a vncserver that would let me see my existing X session
[16:07] <phillw> LzrdKing: I'll bet your sound problem was not as embarrassing as mine was (I had it on mute in preferences) ;-)
[16:09] <LzrdKing> no, that was something  i was actively checking since Master needs to be muted for sound to not comeout of the internal speakers
[16:10] <LzrdKing> no, its working, but the boxee config xml file had in there that it was not, so boxee had no sound; i renamed the file and it created a new one with the right settings
[16:10] <LzrdKing> s/no its working, but//
[16:11] <LzrdKing> i don't know if its working, i can't see or here  the display
[16:11] <LzrdKing> hear
[16:11] <LzrdKing> i installed the wrong vncserver this morning
[16:18] <LzrdKing> how can i install a vncserver so that i can see my already running X desktop?
[16:20] <shahan> hello everybody
[16:20] <shahan> I am in problem
[16:21] <shahan> need help
[16:21] <shahan> download realeted problem
[16:22] <LzrdKing> well you have internet access
[16:23] <shahan> LzrdKing: I have internet access
[16:23] <shahan> LzrdKing: yes
[16:23] <shahan> LzrdKing: I am using it right now
[16:23] <LzrdKing> so what is download problem?
[16:24] <shahan> LzrdKing: I tried for downloading a game from playdeb.net
[16:24] <shahan> LzrdKing: I am using ubuntu 9.10
[16:25] <shahan> http://www.playdeb.net/software/0%20A.D. I tried for this game
[16:25] <LzrdKing> did the .deb come down?
[16:29] <LzrdKing> shahan: did the .deb come down?
[16:30] <shahan_> LzrdKing: no
[16:30] <shahan_> http://www.playdeb.net/updates/ubuntu/9.10/
[16:30] <shahan_> I just go to the linik
[16:30] <LzrdKing> what happened when you clicked the link?
[16:30] <shahan_> the the game named 0 A.D. - A war/economy strategy game
[16:30] <shahan_> "0 A.D. - A war/economy strategy game"
[16:31] <LzrdKing> ok...
[16:31] <shahan_> LzrdKing: then clicked on "Install this now"
[16:33] <shahan_> LzrdKing: what can I do now?\
[16:33] <zeroseven0183> The game reminds me of Age of Empires
[16:34] <zeroseven0183> I checked the homepage and it says it's still in alpha release
[16:34] <zeroseven0183> "not a playable game yet" and "meant for developers only"
[16:35] <cluelessnewguy> it is on playdeb as a download, but as an alpha its not worth it
[16:36] <cluelessnewguy> even if it did work
[16:36] <shahan_> zeroseven0183: is there any good game
[16:36] <shahan_> zeroseven0183: for playing in ubuntu
[16:37] <zeroseven0183> Interesting game but yes, as of now, it's not worth it (as cluelessnewguy said)
[16:37] <phillw> shahan_: tux racer seems popular :-)
[16:37] <zeroseven0183> I'm not a gamer but I like Tuxracer
[16:37] <zeroseven0183> :-)
[16:37] <shahan_> phillw: hi
[16:37] <zeroseven0183> phillw likes it too
[16:37] <phillw> hi shahan_
[16:38] <shahan_> phillw: nice to meet u
[16:38] <phillw> is your lamp all behaving shahan_?
[16:38] <shahan_> phillw: will I get tux racer in ubuntu?
[16:39] <shahan_> phillw: in playdeb.net
[16:40] <phillw> i think it should be in the ubuntu software center ?  I'm not in 9.10 at the moment
[16:41] <zeroseven0183> Yes, it is.
[16:41] <zeroseven0183> The name is Extreme Tux Racer
[16:41] <shahan_> phillw: I am looking for a small but excellent graphics game in ubuntu
[16:41] <shahan_> phillw: yes...its working good
[16:42] <phillw> shahan_: as zeroseven0183 says you can try that one - i've never uploaded it, but it does seem popular :-)
[16:42] <shahan_> phillw: which one?
[16:42] <phillw> shahan_: (16:41:14) zeroseven0183: The name is Extreme Tux Racer
[16:43] <phillw> shahan_: get it via the ubuntu software center, it will do all the hard work for you & just pop it onto your computer :-)
[16:43] <shahan_> phillw: :)
[16:43] <shahan_> phillw: I played this game.... kids game
[16:43] <shahan_> :)
[16:44] <phillw> that's probably why it is popular, we're all kids at heart :-)
[16:44] <zeroseven0183> :-)
[16:44] <cluelessnewguy> X Tux Racer WINS!
[16:44] <shahan_> phillw: hahaha
[16:44] <shahan_> cluelessnewguy: yes....
[16:45] <phillw> I have a penguin at play.clubpenguin.com/miniclip.htm (just don't tell anyone)
[16:45] <phillw> http://play.clubpenguin.com/miniclip.htm
[16:45] <cluelessnewguy> Racer got me through some very boring lectures
[16:46] <phillw> cluelessnewguy: my penguin and puffles have got me through many boring hours when baby-sitting pubs with no customers :-)
[16:47] <cluelessnewguy> I wish I knew a bartender that played Tux Racer... I would go there all the time
[16:48] <phillw> I'll have to get it for next pub i go to
[16:49] <shahan_> fuck
[16:49] <phillw> shahan_: that link has all the miniclip games
[16:49] <shahan_> all are big size games
[16:49] <phillw> shahan_: all the miniclip games are flash based, so very little to download
[16:49] <shahan_> my speed is not good
[16:50] <shahan_> phillw: hey....
[16:50] <shahan_> did u use TeamViewer any time?
[16:50] <phillw> shahan_: no, i have not.
[16:50] <shahan_> in playdeb.net
[16:51] <shahan_> phillw: it is used for remote access computing
[16:51] <shahan_> phillw: I am looking for a guy for testing this in ubuntu
[16:51] <phillw> shahan_: i have enough  troubles with this one !!
[16:51] <shahan_> phillw: I used to in Windows
[16:51] <shahan_> phillw: with what?
[16:52] <phillw> 3 test systems on my computer, i am just about to replace one of them so i can write the instructions for how to install one of them.
[16:53] <shahan_> phillw: do u have idea about editing the boot menu?
[16:54] <phillw> shahan_: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Grub2
[16:54] <shahan_> phillw: grub?
[16:54] <phillw> that is your boot menu with ubuntu
[16:55] <shahan_> phillw: tnx
[16:55] <phillw> GNU GRand Unified Bootloader
[16:59] <phillw> hi ibuclaw
[17:03] <ibuclaw> hi phillw - what are you buying?
[17:04] <phillw> ibuclaw: buying ?
[17:07] <ibuclaw> phillw, what are you selling?
[17:08] <phillw> i have some cd's of alpha releases for sale, no longer needed :-D
[17:08] <ibuclaw> ooh, I'll buy that at a high price stranger
[17:09] <ibuclaw> (evidently you have not played Resident Evil 4)
[17:09] <ibuclaw> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7oXx0qwe0wc
[17:09] <phillw> the alpha1 of 10.04 has the advantage of working with huwaei usb 3G devices ;-)
[17:10] <phillw> ibuclaw: no, i'm strictly a http://play.clubpenguin.com/miniclip.htm  person :P
[17:11] <ibuclaw> phillw, do you know which module interacts with the device?
[17:12] <phillw> sadly not, just that they broke them both in 10.04 and 9.10 :'(
[17:13] <phillw> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1440262
[17:13] <ibuclaw> phillw, actually - try an upgrade
[17:13] <ibuclaw> ubuntu have gone and done the unthinkable at the last moment
[17:15] <phillw> ibuclaw: i keep all my test systems updated, it's the 1st thing i do when i log onto them.
[17:15] <phillw> unthinkable ?
[17:19] <ibuclaw> phillw, oh wait ... ignore me - I have one too many ppas in my sources =)
[17:20]  * ibuclaw saw 2.6.34 and was all confused for a minute there
[17:20] <ibuclaw> but anyway ... phillw - what module controls the 3G card?
[17:22] <phillw> i would assume it is under the control of the network manager as that's where the 3G device used to show up, but it's just seeing the 'virtual cd' and not the device anymore,I've installed usb-modeswitch to no avail
[17:23] <ibuclaw> phillw, I would start at the lowest demoninator and work my way up the stack
[17:25] <phillw> the lowest demoninator is the update of both the 9.10 and 10.04 series, that's a long haul !!
[17:25] <phillw> ibuclaw: http://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=9035596&postcount=3
[17:26] <ibuclaw> phillw, I meant start at testing for a driver error, then work up into userspace + application faults.
[17:28] <phillw> ibuclaw: i wouldn't have a clue as to how to go about that, I'd be happy to help probing things if i was asked & told what to check
[17:29] <ibuclaw> phillw, what is the device Manufacturer/Product ID ?
[17:30] <ibuclaw> you can obtain that via 'lsusb' after you insert the device
[17:30] <phillw> huawei E156G, but it appears to affect many of the huawie range
[17:30] <ibuclaw> means absolutely nothing to me ^-^
[17:30] <phillw> (if not them all, I've not seen some one report that there's work)
[17:31] <ibuclaw> I can't grep "E156G" in the kernel source and expect a result
[17:31] <phillw> Bus 001 Device 004: ID 12d1:1003 Huawei Technologies Co., Ltd. E220 HSDPA Modem / E270 HSDPA/HSUPA Modem
[17:31] <phillw> that's the annoying bit, lsusb can 'see' it
[17:32] <ibuclaw> phillw, only means that it is detected - not annoying just yet...
[17:33] <ibuclaw> (if it weren't detected - then it would probably be an ex-device or an underpowered / dead port)
[17:33] <phillw> I'll gladly put off my re-booting if you want me to try things out
[17:33] <phillw> ibuclaw: it's happily flashing blue (means it is alive and can see the 3G network)
[17:35] <phillw> the system just pops up the window "Removable media is inserted" Type of medium 'windows software'
[17:37] <phillw> << i don't have usb-modeswitch on this installation, but will get it if you think it may help (it doesn't on 10.04 'main'), i'm currently on lubuntu
[17:43] <ibuclaw> phillw, okies - think I got the driver for it. :s
[17:43] <ibuclaw> lsmod | grep option
[17:44] <ibuclaw> (not *entirely* sure of it's name though)
[17:44] <ibuclaw> grep CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OPTION /boot/config-`uname -r` # will tell you it is a module
[17:46] <ibuclaw> phillw, if it is there, then you can move onto udev detection (at least, I think it should output something in this case).
[17:46] <ibuclaw> just remove the device, wait 10 ~ seconds then run:
[17:46] <ibuclaw> sudo udevadm monitor
[17:46] <ibuclaw> ensure that there is no activity, then insert the device
[17:47] <ibuclaw> you can pastebin for reference.
[17:48] <phillw> CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_OPTION=m
[17:48] <phillw> is that a module ?
[17:50] <ibuclaw> yepo
[17:50] <ibuclaw> y = builtin, m = module
[17:51] <phillw> k, i'll set up the udevadm monitor and pop the result over to pastebin, give me a couple of minutes :-)
[17:53] <ibuclaw> and btw - fyi, how I got that was via:
[17:53] <ibuclaw> grep -iRl 12d1 drivers/
[17:53] <ibuclaw> :P
[17:53] <ibuclaw> phillw, and btw - fyi, how I got that was via:
[17:53] <ibuclaw> grep -iRl 12d1 drivers/
[17:54] <phillw> grrr.... blooming closing tabs, let me pull my logs for the command
[17:54] <ibuclaw> which returned "drivers/usb/storage/unusual_devs.h"
[17:54] <ibuclaw> and "drivers/usb/serial/option.c"
[17:55] <ibuclaw> then grep'd for 'option.o' using the same method
[17:55] <ibuclaw> and that got me to the Makefile + CONFIG_* name
[17:57] <phillw> http://pastebin.com/tpTrwXLC
[17:57] <phillw> ibuclaw: you may as well be speaking chinese :-\
[17:58] <phillw> i vaguely follow you
[18:22] <shahan> hi
[18:23] <shahan> phillw: problem again
[18:23] <shahan> now with internet speed
[18:27] <shahan> ...
[18:31] <ibuclaw> internet or firefox =)
[18:32] <shahan> ibuclaw: internet
[18:32] <ibuclaw> shahan, name an example
[18:32] <shahan> ibuclaw: I heared that internet becomes slow in 9.10
[18:32] <shahan> ibuclaw: now its happeneing with me
[18:32] <ibuclaw> lol
[18:33] <ddecator> i never had that o.o
[18:33] <ibuclaw> shahan, mind games shahan
[18:33] <swoody> the only thing I can think of offhand is ipv6, but that's not new to 9.10
[18:33] <shahan> ibuclaw: games shahan? :-)
[18:33] <swoody> I disabled ipv6 and apt-get updates and Firefox are much more responsive now
[18:34] <LzrdKing> can anyone help me with ALSA? aplay -l finds no sound cards, but i DO have a soundcard
[18:34] <ddecator> swoody: +
[18:34] <ibuclaw> shahan, well, you have a ping of 1.51 seconds from where I am
[18:34] <shahan> ibuclaw: how have u check it?
[18:34] <shahan> ibuclaw: now I am in Windowx XP
[18:35] <shahan> ibuclaw: due to slow internet connection in UBUNTU 9.10
[18:35] <LzrdKing> ohhhh wt.... when X is running: no sound; exit X, sound comes back
[18:35] <ibuclaw> shahan, what applications do you exhibit the slowness from?
[18:36] <shahan> firefox
[18:36] <shahan> when browsing I get very slow speed
[18:36] <ddecator> i'm betting ipv6..
[18:36] <ibuclaw> still could be a firefox issue
[18:36] <ibuclaw> there are plenty of guides to speed-tune it.
[18:36] <ibuclaw> shahan, what speed is your connection (as far as you recall)
[18:37] <ibuclaw> you can check that against http://www.speedtest.net/
[18:37] <ibuclaw> and also compare it with the results in Ubuntu
[18:37] <shahan> ibuclaw: hmm...thats a good idea.
[18:38] <shahan> ibuclaw: tnx for the idea. let me check
[18:39] <ibuclaw> you can also look at http://www.makeuseof.com/tag/the-ultimate-guide-to-speeding-up-firefox-3-5/
[18:39] <ddecator> shahan: it may also help to use FF 3.6: https://launchpad.net/~mozillateam/+archive/firefox-stable
[18:39] <ibuclaw> note some things from item 5 downwards
[18:41] <ibuclaw> but in general, in your about:config settings, try setting:
[18:41] <ibuclaw> browser.cache.offline.capacity  = 0
[18:41] <ibuclaw> browser.cache.offline.enable = false
[18:42] <ibuclaw> network.http.max-connections = 96
[18:42] <ibuclaw> network.http.max-connections-per-server = 32
[18:42] <ibuclaw> network.http.pipelining = true
[18:42] <ibuclaw> network.http.pipelining.maxrequests = 8
[18:42] <ibuclaw> shahan, make a note and away you go =)
[18:43] <shahan> ibuclaw: ok
[18:43] <shahan> ibuclaw: tnx
[18:43] <shahan> ibuclaw: good night
[18:43] <shahan> going to sleep
[18:43] <shahan> see u tomorrow
[18:43] <ibuclaw> kk, bye
[18:56] <shahan> ...
[19:06] <LzrdKing> can anyone help me troubleshoot ALSA *under X*? when X is running, aplay -L returns nothing, aplay -l returns "aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found..." and alsamixer returns "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory".  immediately when i kill X, alsamixer opens, aplay -l shows two STAC92xx devices (digital and analog) and aplay -L shows 7 analog devices, 1 digital device and null
[19:17] <phillw> ibuclaw: knock, knock
[19:19] <LzrdKing> phillw: can you help me out?
[19:20] <phillw> LzrdKing: i'm not familiar with alsa things, if you tell me what the problem is I will gladly go and have a look for you.
[19:20] <LzrdKing> when X is running (nvidia drivers), aplay -L returns nothing, aplay -l returns "aplay: device_list:223: no soundcards found..." and alsamixer returns "alsamixer: function snd_ctl_open failed for default: No such file or directory".  immediately when i kill X, alsamixer opens, aplay -l shows two STAC92xx devices (digital and analog) and aplay -L shows 7 analog devices, 1 digital device and null
[19:21] <LzrdKing> oh and sound doesn't work under X
[19:23] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, try:  sudo lsof /dev/snd/*
[19:23] <ibuclaw> both with and without X
[19:23] <ibuclaw> and pastebin results
[19:23] <ibuclaw> (note, you can redirect output to a file using > file
[19:24] <ibuclaw> phillw, who's there?
[19:24] <LzrdKing> ok
[19:25] <phillw> ibuclaw: was that trace of any help ?
[19:25] <LzrdKing> ibuclaw: ok, nothing to pastebin
[19:26] <ibuclaw> phillw, is it supposed to be a block devices? :s
[19:26] <ibuclaw> looks like udev is treating it as sdb / sr1 to me :)
[19:27] <phillw> ibuclaw: I have no idea? but the complaint is that after an update to the *buntu system, they stopped working
[19:27] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, in both X and without X?
[19:27] <LzrdKing> ibuclaw: yes, both commands returned nothing
[19:27] <ibuclaw> ok, is pulseaudio running when are in X?
[19:27] <LzrdKing> pulseaudio is not installed (only libpulse0 is)
[19:27] <LzrdKing> do i NEED pulseaudio under X?
[19:28] <ibuclaw> no, you shouldn't need it
[19:28] <LzrdKing> everyone who tries to help me asks that
[19:28] <ibuclaw> that is the only excuse I have for working w/out X == OK, and w/ X == !OK
[19:28] <LzrdKing> and when i say no, they say "well thats all i can think of"
[19:28] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, touche
[19:28] <LzrdKing> oh, you did too
[19:29] <ibuclaw> I honestly don't know anything else that should even remotely touch audio devices
[19:30] <LzrdKing> could the vnidia video drives be affecting anything?
[19:30] <LzrdKing> nvidia
[19:30] <ibuclaw> doubt it
[19:31] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, do you have /dev/dsp* devices?
[19:32] <LzrdKing> just /dev/dsp whether X is running or not
[19:32] <ibuclaw> ok, try starting your favourite audio player
[19:32] <ibuclaw> ie: rhythmbox
[19:32] <ibuclaw> *from the commandline
[19:33] <ibuclaw> Applications -> Accessories -> Terminal
[19:33] <ibuclaw> then try playing a random song
[19:33] <ibuclaw> does anything debug-wise get outputted?
[19:34] <LzrdKing> with or without X running?
[19:34] <ibuclaw> (can also check ~/.xsession-errors for any output too)
[19:34] <LzrdKing> i guess with
[19:34] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, unless you use a CLI music player, ie: mpc / mpd. =)
[19:35] <znxtch> what is the console command fort deleteing a program?
[19:35] <LzrdKing> i use boxee, which won't play any sounds
[19:35] <LzrdKing> but i will patebin what aplay gives me
[19:35] <LzrdKing> pastebin
[19:35] <ibuclaw> znxtch, sudo apt-get purge package-name
[19:36] <ibuclaw> znxtch, if you don't know which package a program belongs to
[19:36] <ibuclaw> dpkg -S program-name
[19:36] <ibuclaw> or:  dpkg -S $(which program-name)
[19:36] <znxtch> i installed it from a .sh
[19:36] <znxtch> if that going to be something diff?
[19:36] <ibuclaw> ah, yes - it will be =)
[19:37] <ibuclaw> what's the app?
[19:37] <znxtch> if it helps it was second life
[19:37] <znxtch> i wish i had made a second thought and never installed it
[19:37] <ibuclaw> do you know where it installed itself?
[19:37] <znxtch> yes in /opt
[19:37] <ibuclaw> znxtch, kk should be easy then
[19:37] <ibuclaw> first thing to do:
[19:38] <ibuclaw> ls -l $(which second-life)
[19:38]  * ibuclaw is presuming that is the name of the app
[19:38] <LzrdKing> ibuclaw: http://pastebin.com/1HzQGQn3 when i run aplay with X running
[19:38] <znxtch> me@computer:/opt$ ls -l $(which second-life)
[19:38] <znxtch> total 4
[19:38] <znxtch> drwxr-xr-x 10 root root 4096 2010-04-21 20:08 secondlife-install
[19:39] <ibuclaw> I take it 'second-life' isn't the name of the app then =)
[19:40] <ibuclaw> znxtch, I have no honest clue what name it is - so I'll leave you to figure that one out.
[19:41] <znxtch> okay
[19:41] <znxtch> dang
[19:41] <znxtch> lol
[19:41] <ibuclaw> I presume it must start with 'sec'
[19:41] <ibuclaw> you can use TAB to try and auto-complete the command
[19:41] <znxtch> only file it finds is the intall
[19:41] <ibuclaw> bash will give you a list of choices if more than one is present
[19:42] <ibuclaw> ah K :P
[19:42] <znxtch> e@computer:/opt$ secondlife-install/
[19:42] <znxtch> app_settings/ character/    fonts/        lib/          secondlife
[19:42] <znxtch> bin/          etc/          install.sh    res-sdl/      skins/
[19:42] <ibuclaw> znxtch, what happens if you run it?
[19:42] <znxtch> ill see
[19:42]  * ibuclaw notes a bin directory
[19:43] <znxtch> umm command no found on 'secondlife-install'
[19:43] <ibuclaw> oh, I see what you did ...
[19:43] <ibuclaw> znxtch, just type in 'sec' and press TAB twice
[19:44] <ibuclaw> nothing else
[19:44] <znxtch> nothing else
[19:44] <ibuclaw> (you probably typed in 'ls sec' last time)
[19:44] <znxtch> me@computer:/opt$ secondlife-install/
[19:44] <znxtch> bash: secondlife-install/: is a directory
[19:44] <ibuclaw> znxtch, okies no obvious symlink in /usr/bin then - I'll give up there
[19:45] <znxtch> wait
[19:45] <znxtch> "secondlife" is in the directory called secondlife-install
[19:46] <ibuclaw> ls /opt/secondlife-install/bin
[19:46] <znxtch> me@computer:/opt/secondlife-install$ ls /opt/secondlife-install/bin
[19:46] <znxtch> do-not-directly-run-secondlife-bin  linux-crash-logger.bin  llplugin  SLVoice
[19:46] <znxtch> libllkdu.so                         linux-updater.bin       SLPlugin
[19:47] <ibuclaw> hmm, ok, nothing there then. =)
[19:47] <znxtch> okay
[19:47] <znxtch> when i run secondlife
[19:47] <ibuclaw> znxtch, is Second Life in the applications menu?
[19:47] <znxtch> from the secondlife-install dir
[19:47] <znxtch> its opens second life
[19:48] <LzrdKing> if i run a sound tool as root, like "sudo alsamixer" when X is running, it works fine
[19:48] <LzrdKing> so why do i need to be root to run alsamixer when X is running but i can be a regular user when it's not?
[19:48] <znxtch> it in the apps menu
[19:48] <znxtch> but i cat install it from ubuntu software center
[19:48] <znxtch> *uninstall
[19:48] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, that is a very good question ... what group perms do you have?
[19:48] <ibuclaw> znxtch, k, and running:  ls /usr/bin/sec*
[19:49] <ibuclaw> outputs "no file found" ?
[19:49] <LzrdKing> ibuclaw: on alsamixer?
[19:50] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, in general
[19:50] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, the command is 'groups' iirc
[19:50] <znxtch> ls: cannot access /usr/bin/sec*: No such file or directory
[19:50] <ibuclaw> znxtch, ok then
[19:50] <ibuclaw> sudo rm /opt/secondlife-install
[19:51] <LzrdKing> waaaiit... i must not have added user to the group properly
[19:51] <znxtch> me@computer:/opt/secondlife-install$ sudo rm /opt/secondlife-install
[19:51] <znxtch> rm: cannot remove `/opt/secondlife-install': Is a directory
[19:51] <ibuclaw> znxtch, hehe
[19:51] <ibuclaw> sudo rm -r /opt/secondlife-install
[19:51] <LzrdKing> ibuclaw: audio is not shown as a groiup for user, even though it is in /etc/group
[19:52] <znxtch> and its gone as hell
[19:52] <znxtch> lets see if its still in the menu
[19:52] <ibuclaw> znxtch, then check the applications directory for the menu item
[19:52] <ibuclaw> ls /usr/share/applications/sec*
[19:52] <znxtch> ls: cannot access /usr/share/applications/sec*: No such file or directory
[19:52] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, kk:  sudo usermod -a -G audio
[19:52] <znxtch> its still in the apps menu ill try to rn it
[19:53] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, or:  sudo vigr (and edit it manually)
[19:53] <znxtch> okay it just stuck in the menu
[19:53] <znxtch> the program is gone though
[19:53] <znxtch> wow
[19:53] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, then logout / login
[19:53] <znxtch> what a a great learning experience
[19:53] <znxtch> i will NEVER
[19:53] <ibuclaw> znxtch, ls /usr/share/applications/[sS]*
[19:53] <znxtch> install a .sh again
[19:53] <znxtch> oh we're still going lol
[19:53] <LzrdKing> ohhh, i missed the logout/login part
[19:53] <ibuclaw> znxtch, the menu item still needs removing =)
[19:54] <LzrdKing> now i see audio
[19:54] <ibuclaw> znxtch, might check /usr/local/share/applications/* too
[19:54] <LzrdKing> jeezuz
[19:55] <znxtch> i removed it via GUI
[19:55] <znxtch> lol
[19:55] <znxtch> console is still scary to me
[19:55] <ibuclaw> znxtch, that is fake removing it =)
[19:55] <ibuclaw> it is still present (add another user, and it will popup again)
[19:55] <znxtch> shite
[19:55] <znxtch> okay
[19:55]  * znxtch opens term back up
[19:56] <ibuclaw> znxtch, I presume you removed it via the menu editor?
[19:56] <znxtch> yes
[19:56] <znxtch> lol
[19:56] <LzrdKing> ibuclaw: before i thank you profusely, let me check boxee
[19:56] <ibuclaw> znxtch, if it helps, you can open nautilus
[19:56] <ibuclaw> znxtch, then browse to /usr/share/applications
[19:56] <znxtch> i dont know what nautilus is
[19:57] <ibuclaw> the file browser....
[19:57] <znxtch> oh im dub
[19:57] <znxtch> dumb
[19:57] <znxtch> did i metion im on day 4 of linux rebirth
[19:57] <znxtch> its a bright and scarey new world
[19:57] <znxtch> lol
[19:57] <phillw> znxtch: when ibuclaw has got you sorted, head over http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1052065  for a good guide
[19:58] <znxtch> okay im there via nautilus
[19:58] <znxtch> no second life
[19:58] <znxtch> there are 3 f-spot icons though
[19:58] <znxtch> is that normal?
[19:58] <ibuclaw> znxtch, ok, up one directory and go to  /usr/local/share/applications
[19:59] <LzrdKing> ibuclaw: it appears to be working; i won't know for sure till i get home tonight but thank you thank thank you
[19:59] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, no probs
[19:59] <ibuclaw> permissions ... the problem and cure for all oddities
[20:00] <znxtch> i see Second Life
[20:00] <ibuclaw> znxtch, awesome
[20:00] <znxtch> you are psychic
[20:00] <ibuclaw> now, in the terminal
[20:00] <LzrdKing> ibuclaw: i still have the question of why X running or not mattered
[20:00] <ibuclaw> ls /usr/local/share/applications/*
[20:01] <znxtch> me@computer:~$ ls /usr/local/share/applications/*
[20:01] <znxtch> /usr/local/share/applications/mimeinfo.cache
[20:01] <znxtch> /usr/local/share/applications/secondlife-viewer.desktop
[20:01] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, loggining in via direct shell is very different to logging in via a DM. That is all I really have to say.
[20:02] <LzrdKing> no DM, just startx
[20:02] <ibuclaw> heh. hardcore =)
[20:02] <LzrdKing> oh it is
[20:03] <LzrdKing> thats why i'm running X on a server install to begin with
[20:03] <ibuclaw> znxtch, grep "Icon" /usr/local/share/applications/secondlife-viewer.deskto
[20:04] <znxtch> Icon=/opt/secondlife-install/etc/../secondlife_icon.png
[20:04] <ibuclaw> znxtch, excellent, the icon is already removed then
[20:04] <LzrdKing> i'm running just the bare minimum to run boxee, HTPC software
[20:05] <ibuclaw>  LzrdKing, well, beyond "Linux is a strange little being" can't really give any explanations.
[20:06] <znxtch> what just happed?
[20:06] <znxtch> lol
[20:06] <LzrdKing> ibuclaw: its not a completely fair comparison, but running boxee under windows or a wubi install of desktop ubuntu, it would choke horribly on local HD content
[20:06] <LzrdKing> now, running it under openbox on ext4, i can STREAM hd
[20:06] <ibuclaw> znxtch, sudo rm /usr/local/share/applications/secondlife-viewer.desktop
[20:06] <ibuclaw> znxtch, and you are done! =)
[20:06] <ibuclaw> znxtch, 'grep' is a command to grep the contents of a file
[20:07] <ibuclaw> I honestly can't explain it better than that... lol
[20:07] <LzrdKing> its a search
[20:07] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, aye, I have openbox on all my setups
[20:08] <LzrdKing> ibuclaw: but ONLY openbox, no DE
[20:08] <LzrdKing> or DM
[20:08] <ibuclaw> well, XFCE, KDE and GNOME are DE's
[20:08] <ibuclaw> everything else is a WM
[20:08] <znxtch> ibuclaw, you are awesome.  i stand ready and waiting to one day return the favor, whatever it may be.  even if that day never comes.
[20:09] <LzrdKing> znxtch: ibuclaw's great, isn't he?
[20:09] <ibuclaw> znxtch, do you happen to live in Europe?
[20:09] <LzrdKing> ibuclaw: i only have 105 processes running on the machine
[20:09] <ibuclaw> beats my 128
[20:10] <ibuclaw> then again ... I *am* running an intensive make process
[20:10] <ibuclaw> and probably have one too many VTE's open
[20:10] <znxtch> haha not in europe
[20:11] <ibuclaw> oh... and the wonderful chromium takes up a process each
[20:12] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, closing all that brings me down to 104 :P
[20:12]  * ibuclaw getting competetive now
[20:12] <ibuclaw> oh wait ... 103
[20:12] <ibuclaw> ps -el | wc -l
[20:13] <ibuclaw> that number - 1
[20:13] <LzrdKing> oops, i'm actually at 100 with boxee running, but i also have an xterm (until boxee will start properly on startup) and a vnc server running
[20:13] <LzrdKing> i mean 110
[20:13] <LzrdKing> yours is going down and mines going up
[20:13] <ibuclaw> znxtch, then you have no chance of returning the favour. ;)
[20:14] <ibuclaw> znxtch, on the brighter note, feel free to stick around, have seen many a people grow over the years
[20:14] <LzrdKing> ps -ef |wc -l gives me 112, but one is the ps and the other ic thw wc
[20:15] <ibuclaw> LizardK|ng, yeah, that is why I use -l instead of -f
[20:15] <ibuclaw> well... partly why
[20:15] <LzrdKing> opps, i did -el
[20:20] <znxtch> Is there a way to "hide" my IP on IRC?  I would like to be able to reserve some privacy if possible.
[20:20] <ibuclaw> znxtch, you can /j #freenode
[20:20] <ibuclaw> and ask for a mask
[20:21] <swoody> znxtch: if you have your name registered already, you can request a cloak in #freenode
[20:21] <ibuclaw> you need to register though, and wait for about a fortnight
[20:21] <ibuclaw> they aren't very leaniant at giving people clocks
[20:21] <ibuclaw> cloaks
[20:21] <znxtch> Cool I dont mind waiting.  I just dont like a room of 1000 people being able to narrow down on my location lol
[20:21] <ibuclaw> znxtch, use a proxy? :)
[20:22] <znxtch> I don
[20:22] <znxtch> dont know how
[20:22] <ibuclaw> znxtch, ok, anyway, have you registered your name?
[20:22] <znxtch> No
[20:22] <znxtch> I'm lazy
[20:23] <znxtch> I havent used IRC in like 10 years
[20:23] <znxtch> I've got to get NickServ friendly again
[20:23] <ibuclaw> /msg NickServ register
[20:24] <ibuclaw> I think arguments are <secret password> <email@account.com>
[20:24] <znxtch> yes
[20:24] <znxtch> You know
[20:24] <ibuclaw> but don't do it in here =)
[20:24] <znxtch> I just want to share this
[20:25] <znxtch> I'm sitting here thinking to myself
[20:25] <znxtch> Why didn't I switch to Linux earlier?
[20:25] <znxtch> I've been missing out
[20:25] <znxtch> I feel like everybody knew about some really cool bar and didnt give me directions to the party
[20:26] <ibuclaw> heh
[20:26] <ibuclaw> you haven't missed much.
[20:26] <ibuclaw> This year is still the year of the Linux Desktop (just like last year, and the year before, and...)
[20:27] <znxtch> Nickserv says, " You have taken steps in ensuring that your registrations are not exploited."
[20:27] <znxtch> nickserv takes itself pretty seriously eh?
[20:27] <znxtch> haha
[20:28] <ibuclaw> registering names is a serious businnes :P
[20:28] <ibuclaw> once registered, people can take that name away from you if you haven't used it for a prolonged period of time (ie: 4-6 months)
[20:29] <ibuclaw> I've seen people complain when they return
[20:29] <hobgoblin> I would
[20:30] <znxtch> MARK THESE WORDS!
[20:30]  * ibuclaw too
[20:30] <znxtch> if you ever see me complaining about losing a nickname on IRC
[20:30] <znxtch> shoot me in the face
[20:30] <znxtch> i mean directly in it
[20:30] <compiledkernel> ibuclaw: every year is the year of the Linux desktop
[20:30] <compiledkernel> I just stopped paying attention to it.
[20:31] <ibuclaw> compiledkernel, when we implemented SMP (yes, I say 'we' like we are a football team), I was so certain... ;)
[20:31] <compiledkernel> certainty aside, any strides in dhe Desktop makes what was done previously seem infantile.
[20:31] <compiledkernel> Ergo any future year is the year of the linux desktop
[20:32] <ibuclaw> I actually find myself asking "Why didn't I switch to ArchLinux earlier?"
[20:32] <compiledkernel> ibuclaw: I tend to aggree.
[20:32] <compiledkernel> but for a variety of different reasons.
[20:32] <ibuclaw> with the exception of dpkg missing, I really can't find anything to argue against it
[20:33] <compiledkernel> but the reality of it all is more its just safer to use Debian pure when you have to, and Arch everywhere else.
[20:33] <ibuclaw> (need dpkg for building gdc)
[20:33] <compiledkernel> lol
[20:33] <compiledkernel> I tend to use Debian pure for app servers, Archlinux for core services, and Archlinux for Desktops.
[20:33] <ibuclaw> well... minimum I need is to run ./debian/rules configure
[20:34] <ibuclaw> then just switch to builddir and run make manually from there
[20:34] <compiledkernel> gdc is that important to you?
[20:35] <ibuclaw> compiledkernel, I'm only the maintainer in Debian + Ubuntu...
[20:35] <compiledkernel> lol
[20:35] <compiledkernel> the D programming language
[20:35] <compiledkernel> blah.
[20:35] <ibuclaw> it's a fun language
[20:36] <compiledkernel> as entertaining as C, but not stupid like C++?
[20:36] <ibuclaw> quite that, yes.
[20:36] <compiledkernel> hmmmm
[20:36] <ibuclaw> certainly brought the fun back into programming for me (very much like people say for python)
[20:37] <ibuclaw> however, I'm a can't learn / won't learn python sort of person.
[20:37] <compiledkernel> are you using the AUR pkg for gdc?
[20:37] <ibuclaw> compiledkernel, haven't actually looked into making one, though have thought about it.
[20:37] <ibuclaw> and there is not one in the repos iirc
[20:37] <compiledkernel> 3 exist
[20:38] <compiledkernel> in the aur
[20:38] <ibuclaw> am not aware of that then
[20:38] <compiledkernel> sent you the two you need
[20:38] <compiledkernel> ibuclaw: you really need to learn to use AUR.
[20:39] <ibuclaw> compiledkernel, aye, got them
[20:39] <ibuclaw> those are old versions
[20:39] <compiledkernel> oh
[20:39] <compiledkernel> well then yes
[20:39]  * znxtch pays $5 for a cloak
[20:39] <znxtch> wait
[20:39] <znxtch> before i submit this
[20:39] <ibuclaw> http://bitbucket.org/goshawk/gdc/wiki/Home is the new home
[20:39] <znxtch> is the cloack system flawed
[20:39] <compiledkernel> someone should do a pkgbuild for it then
[20:39] <znxtch> is some hardcore 15 yr old japanese kid stillgoing to get my ip and cruch me
[20:39] <ibuclaw> compiledkernel, I'll add it on my TODO list then =)
[20:39] <znxtch> *crush
[20:40] <compiledkernel> znxtch: Im not 15 , nor japanese. However, at a netsec geek, I could be tempted to do so.
[20:40] <znxtch> darnit!
[20:40] <compiledkernel> znxtch: but your probably safe.
[20:41]  * znxtch would rather be joining a project for a cloak
[20:41] <znxtch> lol
[20:41]  * znxtch coughs up some $
[20:42] <ibuclaw> znxtch, there are easier free routes to doing that. =
[20:42] <znxtch> I'm cheap!
[20:43] <znxtch> I mean
[20:43] <ibuclaw> a basic cloak would be ~nick@username
[20:43] <znxtch> I'm listening. . .
[20:43] <compiledkernel> znxtch: just tor, its equally effective.
[20:43] <compiledkernel> lol
[20:44] <ibuclaw> brb, going to make some food
[20:45] <znxtch> youre going to make food
[20:45] <znxtch> and leave me all exposed in the open
[20:45] <znxtch> without explaining the free route
[20:45] <znxtch> your sick
[20:45] <znxtch> haha
[20:45]  * phillw swarms in and attacks znxtch
[20:46] <znxtch> im paying
[20:46] <znxtch> screw it
[20:46] <znxtch> maybe ill buy some pale/sarving progammer a cheeseburger and a mt dew
[20:47] <compiledkernel> lol
[20:47] <compiledkernel> mt dew
[20:47] <compiledkernel> blech
[20:48] <compiledkernel> Ill have to add that to my fact generator.
[20:49] <znxtch> fact generator?
[20:49] <compiledkernel> lol
[20:50] <compiledkernel> znxtch: hold on
[20:50]  * znxtch holds on. . .tightly
[20:50] <compiledkernel> znxtch: http://gwos.org/doku.php/random:facts
[20:50] <compiledkernel> there you go
[20:50] <ibuclaw> znxtch, oh, I see you have been priveleged
[20:50] <ibuclaw> very few make it there.
[20:50] <compiledkernel> ibuclaw: he gets it first you know
[20:50] <znxtch> oh YES!
[20:50] <compiledkernel> that means he has sufficent warning
[20:50] <znxtch> awesome
[20:50] <ibuclaw> I can't even spell privileged right...
[20:51] <znxtch> this looks like a good read
[20:51] <znxtch> brb going to check this out
[20:51] <ibuclaw> znxtch, is also a very good site (if you are a gamer)
[20:51] <compiledkernel> yes znxtch
[20:51] <compiledkernel> you need to look at the base domain http://gwos.org
[20:51] <ibuclaw> try not to stumble upon any subdomains though
[20:52] <ibuclaw> or search for the term "bad fsck"
[20:52] <compiledkernel> by the way ibuclaw there is a new poll out there, will you kindly vote in it please.
[20:52] <ibuclaw> or whatever it is
[20:52] <ibuclaw> "fsck bad exit"
[20:52] <compiledkernel> lol
[20:52] <znxtch> Unix was coded by compiledkernel back in 1765 and with just a piece of paper and a pencil.
[20:52] <znxtch> nice
[20:52] <znxtch> lol
[20:53] <ibuclaw> compiledkernel, looking at the poll results, I see your site attendee's are biased.
[20:53] <compiledkernel> I believe this channel's favorite rule is 51). One day long a ago a brilliant scientist, capable of understanding how the universe worked walked into his office, talking to his co workers he looked at his computer and saw a link from Compiledkernel. We know this man today as Steven Hawking.
[20:54] <ibuclaw> haha
[20:54] <znxtch> Hey Afterfall looks cool
[20:54] <znxtch> is it
[20:54] <znxtch> ?
[20:54] <compiledkernel> for some reason
[20:54] <compiledkernel> afterfall is real popular
[20:54] <compiledkernel> I dont really get why
[20:55] <znxtch> it was just the first thing i clicked on
[20:56] <znxtch> you know what game id like to see on linux
[20:56] <znxtch> maybe one of you smart people could do it
[20:56] <ibuclaw> compiledkernel, well ... people like fallout 3
[20:57] <znxtch> an old 2-d game called ARC (Attack Retrive Capture)
[20:57] <compiledkernel> fallout 3 blew
[20:58] <compiledkernel> fallout was always meant to be a turn based game, not stupid Bethesda's idea of a stupid shooter.
[22:12] <phillw> ibuclaw: do you have a spare minute in PM?, I'll await a reply
[22:15] <LzrdKing> ok, going home! thanks again ibuclaw!