[00:17] http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/announcing-getting-started-with-ubuntu-10-10-quickshot-v1-0-and-the-ubuntu-quickstart-booklet/ [00:20] "we should have regular help sessions and classes on things like LaTeX and Python to encourage users" [00:20] * ubuntujenkins adds it to the think about list :P [00:20] what to teach on python for our project [00:21] quickly rules [00:21] heh [00:21] to encourage contributors to the project or what? [00:21] "of all skill levels and expertise to help out, with the promise of them learning something and having fun while doing so. We want to include everyone and regardless of their skill set or experience level, we will find something for them to do." [00:22] why on https://www.ohloh.net/p/ubuntu-manual/factoids does it say "https://www.ohloh.net/p/ubuntu-manual/factoids" [00:23] * "Ubuntu Manual is written mostly in Python." [00:23] no idea [00:24] i guess their code for working out a language confuses python and late [00:24] latex* [00:24] so, what do we think about the press release? [00:25] sound about right? [00:25] reading it now [00:25] I like it :-) [00:25] * ubuntujenkins irc has no thumbe up [00:25] *thumbs [00:27] pretty good [00:28] I am off to bed if night [00:33] hey daker [00:33] there's a few things we need to do with the website asap [00:33] hi [00:33] what's up ? [00:33] I'd like to have test.ubuntu-manual.org moved over to ubuntu-manual.org by the 25th [00:33] we need to make sure all the links work, we also need to write the code to do the automatic language detection for the download button [00:34] we also need to refine the language list for the website so only languages that are translated are shown in the dropdown list [00:34] otherwise people will choose say, Ancient Greek thinking there is an Ancient Greek site but then be confused when it's in English (coz it hasn't been translated yet) [00:35] sure [00:35] godbyk, what else needs to be done? [00:36] oh also daker, you need to fix the facebook, twitter and planet UMP buttons so that they stay fixed instead of moving when you scroll down the page [00:36] humphreybc: we should make sure the download counter scripts are working. [00:36] ah, yeag [00:36] yea* [00:36] so it'd be great if we could get some scripts up and running that count how many times the PDFs have been downloaded \ [00:36] then we can see how popular each language is, etc etc [00:37] I'll get the 2nd video finished by this weekend [00:37] and then that can be inserted into the Contributors page [00:37] i'll send you my mugshut [00:38] thanks [00:42] as we say on the launchpad page the RC should be released today ? [00:42] I think so, yes [00:42] It'll just be a build that Kevin uploads [00:44] Oh, I guess I can upload something. [00:44] I don't know that it's much different. :) [00:45] Lemme merge in the bug fixes we made to lucid-e1 with my branch and then upload that. [00:47] that sounds like it could work [00:58] hey, who here can spare an hour to test Ground Control 1.6? [00:59] me [01:02] humphreybc, is there any ppa for the 1.6 ? [01:03] humphreybc, is there any ppa for the 1.6 ? [01:04] i'm just trying to find out from doctormo [01:08] hello [01:08] doctormo, meet daker, daker, meet doctormo [01:08] daker wants to help test [01:08] hello [01:09] doctormo, [01:09] how are you ? [01:23] humphreybc, ? [01:23] doctormo, it helps if you talk :) [01:24] hhhh [01:24] he want talk [01:25] or he is just a zombie :D [01:25] $ kill -9 doctormo [01:26] haha [01:40] I posted the RC to Launchpad. [01:40] If daker or someone would like to update the website, that'd be awesome. [01:40] oki [01:41] (I'm not sure how to update the button text.) [01:41] You can download the PDF from here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual [01:41] (Big green button on the top right) [01:49] godbyk, [01:50] page 51 [01:50] [01:50] what's wrong? [01:50] the screenshot have to be changed [01:51] ah, it's using the old screenshot. [01:51] sorry. [01:51] oh well. [01:51] it'll be fixed soon. :) [01:51] oki [01:51] the Selecting search engines screenshot too [01:52] they're from when I branched off the main branch. [01:52] so I didn't pull in the new screenshots. [01:53] switching to my desktop [01:53] brb [01:53] k [02:12] Well, that can't be good. [02:13] whag$ [02:13] what* [02:13] I scored 100 on the nerd quiz that's been making the rounds on Planet Ubuntu. [02:17] godbyk, help [02:17] https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubu-man-website-translations [02:17] and click 'status' [02:18] what language should i remove from the list ? [02:18] languages* [02:23] From the website dropdown list? [02:23] yes [02:23] Hmm.. I s'pose we should set some threshold and remove anything that has less than that amount translated. [02:24] Say, anything less than 75%? [02:24] oki [02:25] The language names in the drop-down list should also be the native language names, not the English translations of the language names. [02:26] So Deutsch instead of German, for instance. [02:27] oki [02:52] hey doctormo !!! [02:52] hello [02:53] how are you [02:53] ? [02:55] good, a bit tired, think I'm coming down with something [02:55] is there any ppa for the GC 1.6 ? [02:57] yes, there are 2 [02:57] One for the release (1.5) which doesn't work and then one for the nightly build [02:58] https://launchpad.net/~groundcontrollers/+archive/dailybuilds [03:01] godbyk, i think we reach our goal 1 139 fans [03:06] daker: cool! [03:06] daker: have you written any of the download counter scripts yet? do you need any help with them? [03:08] that's fine :) [03:32] daker: did you get it working? [03:32] yes [03:36] doctormo, how can i describe changes in multiple lines ? [03:37] daker: Do you need to? why do you need to? [03:38] i can't write all the bugs fix in one line :) [03:39] Why are you commiting all bug fixes at the same time? seperate them out. [03:39] Do smaller commits [03:39] That's the basic way of doing it, it makes each fix a seperatable patch then. [03:39] i see [03:41] Although I could see a need for adding in something to do multiple lines, it's just not supported right now. [03:41] Perhaps a bug added to launchpad and I could wishlist it. [03:50] should i added it as bug or what ? [04:01] If you think it's important [04:08] thanks for testing by the way, you;ve probably got things to say about it. [04:09] no problem [04:12] doctormo, question : how can i get a branch with GC ? [04:12] daker: do you have the project directory inside the Projects directory?? [04:13] yes [04:13] then there should be a button to get code [04:13] or is it get branch [04:13] oki [04:36] daker, can i change the dir "Projects" to "ubuntu-projects" and get the buttons at the top ? [04:38] doctormo, humphreybc can i change the dir "Projects" to "ubuntu-projects" and get the buttons at the top ? [04:39] nope, i don't think that will work daker [04:39] unless doctormo has built in customizable folders for 1.6? [04:39] that would be great [04:39] I think it's on the wishlist [04:39] just keep harassing doctormo till he implements it [04:40] : [04:40] :) [04:43] http://test.ubuntu-manual.org [04:43] what am I looking at? [04:44] language list, icons [04:44] the icons still move when you scroll down, though [04:44] no they don't [04:44] haha [04:44] oki [04:44] just needed to clear the cache [04:45] yes [04:45] so all of these languages are more or less finished? [04:45] yes about 75% [04:45] awesome [04:46] great, and the icons open in a new tab. you never cease to amaze me daker! [04:46] you're brilliant! [04:46] thanks :) [04:46] doctormo, anthor bug [04:47] GC give me a duplicate result [04:48] http://imagebin.org/93808 [04:51] humphreybc, i think you've missed something [04:51] hmm? [04:51] we have 1 141 fans [04:51] oh yea, i know :D [04:52] o.O [04:52] I posted the link on the OMG! Ubuntu! fan page [04:52] we got like another 250 fans in 12 hours [04:54] oh [05:16] night all [05:23] humphreybc: I think you can change the name of the folder, so long as the .groundcontrol file exists in the dir. [05:23] ah [05:31] * humphreybc is cracking up at some the stuff people are posting about my uni [05:31] http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=112309325466828&v=wall&ref=nf [08:17] humphreybc: hmm, where's daker ? [08:17] oh , he's off to sleep ;) [08:18] humphreybc: do you know about the facebook and twitter icons on the http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/ ? [08:18] where he got them? they seem to be tango icons... [08:27] * vish brb [09:09] morning all [09:10] morning! [09:41] vish: i got them from google :P [09:43] hello hemanth I am about to approve you now, I will talk you though our code base/plans for the next release [09:47] ubuntujenkins, roger that [09:48] if you look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot you will see we have three branches [09:49] lp:quickshot is the main dvelopment focus where all the program stuff is. [09:49] ok [09:50] lp:quickshot/release contains this release in a sub folder [09:50] lp:quickshot/server is the next server release [09:50] ok [09:51] we haven't started had coding work on the next release yet we are on the planning stage this is what we aim to include https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/next-release-plan this was out last meeting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings#Quickshot meeting 18/04/2010 [09:51] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings#Quickshot meeting 18/04/2010 [09:51] copy the whole link ^ [09:52] saved [09:53] we are planing a major redesign for the next release and I am currently sorting out the gui design. We will be starting almost from scratch for this release but we can't do anything to lp:quickshot untill i know the the server is pointing at the release branch [09:54] ok, thats exciting as its coding from starch [09:55] if you look at lp:quickshot/release and get your self familier with the code we have so far. We will be using bits of it but we will be rewrting 90% of it [09:56] okies i'm fetching the source [09:56] hey hemanth, are you a new Quickshot team member? [09:56] hemanth: meet humphreybc the manual project lead [09:56] humphreybc, yes :) [09:56] awesome :) [09:57] also hemanth can we try and sort out your bug please? [09:57] welcome to the team! Where did you hear about the project? [09:58] i saw an link to ubuntu-manual page on my facebook wall from one of the ubuntu developers don rembr who exactly! [09:58] ubuntujenkins, yes that would be fun [09:59] nice! [09:59] looking at it you are trying to run it runing it [09:59] *in your user [09:59] * ubuntujenkins hit enter and not back [10:00] and your not seeing any gui? [10:00] well any questions you have, just ask one of us. Luke (ubuntujenkins) is the main Quickshot chap, I'm the team lead, Kevin (godbyk) is all things LaTeX, Thorsten (thorwil) is our artwork chap, Josh (dutchie) manages translations and other miscellaneous things [10:00] Red_Hamster X and titeuf also work on Quickshot [10:00] hi to all :) [10:01] and there are a few people not in the channel like daker who's our web developer, Ilya who's our author coordinator and Jamin who's our head of editing who you'll meet soon enough! [10:01] :) [10:01] ubuntujenkins, yes i see the UI, after i hit the login button it bombs [10:01] and with that I'm going to watch some Firefly episodes! [10:02] ha ha ok :) [10:03] hemanth can you run gnome-session-save --logout-dialog on the command line please? [10:03] are you using gnome? [10:04] me on kde! have installed all the gnome core also, unable to login to gnome on lucid beta2 [10:04] Failed to call logout: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files [10:05] I have a feeling as you are on kde that is the problem, hmmI wonder what package is needed for that [10:05] can you please install gnome-session [10:06] o! ok, i'm doing a fresh apt-get install ubuntu-desktop [10:06] that works as well :) [10:06] ok 8 more mins... [10:07] i m checking out the qucikshot code in bin [10:08] the AIM this release is to try and avoid problems like this and make it run across every linux machine how easy it will be i don't know [10:08] ok :) [10:08] Can someon explain me how this "\menu{Music \then Quit}" is parsed, i'm not sure how to translate it [10:10] trijntje: does that refer to an application that has no File menu, but a Music menu instead? [10:10] Yes, Rhythmbox [10:10] ubuntujenkins, its bombing in the startNewSession method i presume [10:10] thats what i thought hemanth which is why i gessed at the gnome-session save bit [10:11] trijntje: then i surely means go to the Music menu, choose Quit item [10:11] godbyk: correct me if i am wrong but you only translate the "Music" and the "Quit" bit [10:11] trijntje: ^^ [10:11] ubuntujenkins, 1 more min i will be getting all gnome [10:11] cool, [10:11] ubuntujenkins: Right. [10:12] trijntje: Just translate 'Music' and 'Quit'. [10:12] yey \o/ [10:12] Leave anything preceded by a backslash (\) untranslated. [10:12] Thanks ubuntujenkins and godbyk [10:12] So \menu and \then are left as-is (along with the { braces }.) [10:13] I know a bit of LaTeX, but I was wondering if \then was used to escape from the \menu{} or something like that [10:13] trijntje: If you haven't already, take a look at this PDF: http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf [10:13] trijntje: Chapter 4 gives a huge list of LaTeX commands and shows what parts should and shouldn't be translated. [10:13] If you have further questions, feel free to ask here or on the ubuntu-manual mailing list. [10:13] (I'm off to bed now, though. G'night!) [10:14] night godbyk [10:14] thanks godbyk, I hadnt seen that yet [10:14] ubuntujenkins, same error again, gnome-session daemon will not be running i blv... [10:15] if you log into gnoe i would think it would work, all that button does is log you out to the login screen. I will add a comment to the bug expaling what we have found [10:15] *gnome [10:17] ubuntujenkins, sorry missed ur previous message, guessed it right! gnome-session was not running, ran it and kde went non responsive [10:19] hemanth: right makes sense, Thats what i thought as well [10:21] ubuntujenkins, ya able to login now, so the fix is to check if gnome-session is running, if not try to start it in bg, if failed warn the user to install it or make it complaint with any right? [10:22] I hope to make it compliant with any for the next release, as the manual is the only tema using it and they want gnome stuff, its not too much of a concern for the current release. [10:22] o ok [10:23] shall i state this observation in the bug report as a comment? [10:23] yep feel free to [10:24] :) [10:25] Hey guys, what's the preferred editor for LaTeX in Linux? [10:25] gedit :-) [10:26] thats what is use any way [10:26] *i [10:26] Sure, but I'd prefer it if there was a less cumbersome way to add the markup than to remember every single tag in my head or copy'n'pasting. [10:28] I am not aware of a program that does that, I think some of the markups are specific to us. A program/plugin that does it for the manual on the list of things to do. [10:29] humphreybc: well , they dont fit the page ;) those two are the only tango icons in that page.. :) tsk tsk , thorwil bad designer ;p [10:29] vish: what page are you talking about? [10:30] thorwil: http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/ not you i guess, but easier to blame you ;) [10:30] thorwil: the facebook and the twitter icons [10:31] vish: yes, not mine, but the um-planet one is [10:31] Alright. Thanks anyway ubuntujenkins. I was just looking for an easier way to format papers for my university, without having to manually remember every single damn APA rule. [10:31] there may be one TommyBrunn but i don't know about it. [10:32] It seems that teh Artist/Album browser entry is removed from the rhythmbox Control menu [10:37] ubuntujenkins, i commented with the workaround i tried now [10:40] hemanth: I like the work around, ulitmatley we need to find a command that works accross every desktop ui [10:40] ubuntujenkins, okies [10:40] that may be rather hard to find though [10:45] like the gdmflexiserver we have ksmserver right? but what if the user is not use kde nor gnome! [10:46] I am not fmiliar with kde, we may have to work out what desktop ui the user is using and run a command based on that [10:48] i was looking into kde tech base http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Architecture/KDE3/Session_Management [10:53] If we can generate a list of all desktop envrioments and the logout command then that might be a way to do it [10:54] yup [11:04] ubuntujenkins, collected all the environments, now collecting the commands [11:05] wow fast mover hemanth [11:05] thanks, there are about 12! [11:06] really that many! we have to work out how to detect them all. how many of them use gtk? [11:07] not sure how many use gtk, where can i share the list? [11:07] pasite? [11:07] pad.ubuntu-uk.org/qsdesktopenviroments [11:08] ubuntujenkins, https://gist.github.com/9f230db910e682a3aad9 [11:08] is gist fine or should i repaste to earthpad? [11:09] If we use the ether pad we don't have to all login touse it. I haev just pasted it there [11:09] ubuntujenkins, see that, had heard much about earth pad using it now [11:10] its really good. we aplays put our stuff on pad.ubuntu-uk.org there are other etherpads [11:11] ok :) [11:38] \o/ etherpad :) [11:39] http://etherpad.com is down, is it free to host ? [11:40] hemanth: etherpad is free software, http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org is an instance :) [11:40] * popey wonders if Daviey has 'etherpad' on hilight [11:41] popey: nope! [11:41] or ubuntu-uk ? [11:41] Daviey, on it [11:41] Daviey: always pops up when etherpad is mentioned [11:41] popey: yus :) [11:41] Which i assume yo do to ;P [11:51] hi back [11:52] hello daker [11:57] http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5E0W2oGBPA [11:59] Daviey: yup :) [12:02] hey, look everyone, it's Matt Griffin!! *applause* [12:04] hi mattgriffin :) [12:04] daker: hello [12:04] hello mattgriffin o/ [12:04] heh [12:04] mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmattgriffin! [12:04] !hello [12:04] Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay! [12:05] :D [12:05] ubuntujenkins, :p [12:05] all these smiling faces so early in the morning :) [12:05] Well, you know, we're cool like that haha [12:05] ok... off to a meeting. have a great day! [12:05] see ya mattgriffin!! have a fabulous day! [12:06] see you mattgriffin [12:07] ttfn [12:11] apparently quickshot is worth $40,663 [12:11] what??!!! where did you get that from? [12:11] ha [12:11] https://www.ohloh.net/p/quickshot [12:11] bottom right [12:11] the Ubuntu Manual Project is worth $152,000 though :P [12:12] "This calculator estimates how much it would cost to hire a team to write this project from scratch." [12:12] wheres out pay? [12:12] hehe [12:14] nothing compared to Open Office though, haha https://www.ohloh.net/p/openoffice [12:14] wow [12:14] Wowww o.O [12:15] VLC is worth 7 and a half million bucks, 139 person years [12:15] hence, the power of open source [12:17] vish, thorwil, if you guys want to create a better facebook icon and twitter icon for the website, feel free ;) [12:18] humphreybc, +1 [12:18] humphreybc: i didn't so far because the icons are well known as the are, even if that makes them stand out a bit much [12:19] yeah, i don't think it's the end of the world [12:20] humphreybc, daker, and hemanth have a look at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5012868/quickshot-ui.odp that is the latest version of the new quickshot ui. None of it is final. [12:20] daker: but consider to turn off the drop shadows for the those 3 buttons [12:20] thorwil: we dont have to redesign ;) just removing the tango inner-outlines would do as well [12:21] thorwil, kk [12:21] ubuntujenkins, question : who is hemanth ? [12:21] this the first time i saw him in the channel ? i am right ? [12:21] vish: you have my blessing to tweak them ;) [12:21] daker: hemanth is a new member he is new to the project [12:21] looking good ubuntujenkins [12:21] any suggestions humphreybc [12:21] daker,hi :) [12:21] thorwil: whats wrong with having the drop shadows? [12:22] daker: what size icons are required there? [12:22] ubuntujenkins: i'll have an indepth look soon, and do some mockups in photoshop for you [12:22] later this week, or weekend [12:22] daker: rather what is the size of the UM icon? [12:22] what's the bar thing down the bottom? Is that a progress bar? [12:23] humphreybc: don't worry about photo shop just yet wait untill we have had a quickshot miling list discussion on it. The progress bar only shows when the user is doing something [12:23] vish: the shadows make the area around the buttons too busy. plus i prefer buttons to sit on a surface instead of floating around [12:23] thorwil: at some point, you might like to design a new quickshot logo :P [12:23] oo that would be interesting [12:23] humphreybc: :p makes me want not to ;) [12:23] ubuntujenkins: okay. If you're going to have a progress bar prominently displayed in the UI, you'd need to have it across all windows to keep consistency [12:24] vish, 32x32 [12:24] daker: ty [12:24] humphreybc: it only shows when needed. its not always there. I think its on nearly all of the windows. [12:24] thorwil: could you send me the UM icon? [12:24] thorwil: hehe. well since Quickshot will be able to be used by any projects, we shouldn't have the circle of friends in the logo, and the wallpaper is from karmic... and there's a lot of brown :P [12:25] ubuntujenkins: right. I'll have a closer look in the next few days :) [12:25] thorwil: the ultimate aim for this release is to make it cross linux in every desktop enviroment [12:25] daker, aren't you going to remove the drop shadows from the website entirely? [12:25] they don't work in chrome [12:26] but it works in the others [12:26] thats why i don't see them [12:26] vish: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~t-w-/%2Bjunk/ubuntu_manual_cover/files/53 icon-button_planet.svg and .png [12:26] Looking at Firefox and Chrome side-by-side, I think I prefer the site without drop shadows entirely [12:26] (I know, crazy coming from me!) [12:26] same [12:26] so should i remove it ? [12:27] daker: yes [12:27] hemanth, you are welcome [12:27] humphreybc, oki [12:27] daker, thank you :) [12:28] humphreybc: just like the oral and anal phases and puberty, the drop shadow phase usually doesn't last forever [12:28] LOL [12:28] thorwil, I've never known you to be so vulgar in a publicly logged chatroom :P [12:29] lol [12:29] humphreybc: whaaaaat! thorwil can do better ;p [12:29] humphreybc: hah, don't ask kwwii bout that. or vish [12:30] ubuntujenkins: when is Quickshot 1.0 slated for release? [12:33] * humphreybc has 39mb of mobile data to burn on his android phone in half an hour [12:35] * hemanth quick restart trying ati drivers on lucid [12:37] * humphreybc is downloading stuff from the market [12:55] 'morning [12:59]