[00:17] <humphreybc> http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/announcing-getting-started-with-ubuntu-10-10-quickshot-v1-0-and-the-ubuntu-quickstart-booklet/
[00:20] <ubuntujenkins> "we should have regular help sessions and classes on things like LaTeX and Python to encourage users"
[00:20]  * ubuntujenkins adds it to the think about list :P
[00:20] <ubuntujenkins> what to teach on python for our project
[00:21] <ubuntujenkins> quickly rules
[00:21] <humphreybc> heh
[00:21] <godbyk> to encourage contributors to the project or what?
[00:21] <ubuntujenkins> "of all skill levels and expertise to help out, with the promise of them learning something and having fun while doing so. We want to include everyone and regardless of their skill set or experience level, we will find something for them to do."
[00:22] <ubuntujenkins> why on https://www.ohloh.net/p/ubuntu-manual/factoids does it say "https://www.ohloh.net/p/ubuntu-manual/factoids"
[00:23] <ubuntujenkins> * "Ubuntu Manual is written mostly in Python."
[00:23] <humphreybc> no idea
[00:24] <humphreybc> i guess their code for working out a language confuses python and late
[00:24] <humphreybc> latex*
[00:24] <humphreybc> so, what do we think about the press release?
[00:25] <humphreybc> sound about right?
[00:25] <godbyk> reading it now
[00:25] <ubuntujenkins> I like it :-)
[00:25]  * ubuntujenkins irc has no thumbe up
[00:25] <ubuntujenkins> *thumbs
[00:27] <godbyk> pretty good
[00:28] <ubuntujenkins> I am off to bed if night
[00:33] <humphreybc> hey daker
[00:33] <humphreybc> there's a few things we need to do with the website asap
[00:33] <daker> hi
[00:33] <daker> what's up ?
[00:33] <humphreybc> I'd like to have test.ubuntu-manual.org moved over to ubuntu-manual.org by the 25th
[00:33] <humphreybc> we need to make sure all the links work, we also need to write the code to do the automatic language detection for the download button
[00:34] <humphreybc> we also need to refine the language list for the website so only languages that are translated are shown in the dropdown list
[00:34] <humphreybc> otherwise people will choose say, Ancient Greek thinking there is an Ancient Greek site but then be confused when it's in English (coz it hasn't been translated yet)
[00:35] <daker> sure
[00:35] <humphreybc> godbyk, what else needs to be done?
[00:36] <humphreybc> oh also daker, you need to fix the facebook, twitter and planet UMP buttons so that they stay fixed instead of moving when you scroll down the page
[00:36] <godbyk> humphreybc: we should make sure the download counter scripts are working.
[00:36] <humphreybc> ah, yeag
[00:36] <humphreybc> yea*
[00:36] <humphreybc> so it'd be great if we could get some scripts up and running that count how many times the PDFs have been downloaded \
[00:36] <humphreybc> then we can see how popular each language is, etc etc
[00:37] <humphreybc> I'll get the 2nd video finished by this weekend
[00:37] <humphreybc> and then that can be inserted into the Contributors page
[00:37] <daker> i'll send you my mugshut
[00:38] <humphreybc> thanks
[00:42] <daker> as we say on the launchpad page the RC should be released today ?
[00:42] <humphreybc> I think so, yes
[00:42] <humphreybc> It'll just be a build that Kevin uploads
[00:44] <godbyk> Oh, I guess I can upload something.
[00:44] <godbyk> I don't know that it's much different. :)
[00:45] <godbyk> Lemme merge in the bug fixes we made to lucid-e1 with my branch and then upload that.
[00:47] <humphreybc> that sounds like it could work
[00:58] <humphreybc> hey, who here can spare an hour to test Ground Control 1.6?
[00:59] <daker> me
[01:02] <daker> humphreybc, is there any ppa for the 1.6 ?
[01:03] <daker> humphreybc, is there any ppa for the 1.6 ?
[01:04] <humphreybc> i'm just trying to find out from doctormo
[01:08] <doctormo> hello
[01:08] <humphreybc> doctormo, meet daker, daker, meet doctormo
[01:08] <humphreybc> daker wants to help test
[01:08] <daker> hello
[01:09] <daker> doctormo,
[01:09] <daker> how are you ?
[01:23] <daker> humphreybc, ?
[01:23] <humphreybc> doctormo, it helps if you talk :)
[01:24] <daker> hhhh
[01:24] <daker> he want talk
[01:25] <daker> or he is just a zombie :D
[01:25] <daker> $ kill -9  doctormo
[01:26] <humphreybc> haha
[01:40] <godbyk> I posted the RC to Launchpad.
[01:40] <godbyk> If daker or someone would like to update the website, that'd be awesome.
[01:40] <daker> oki
[01:41] <godbyk> (I'm not sure how to update the button text.)
[01:41] <godbyk> You can download the PDF from here: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[01:41] <godbyk> (Big green button on the top right)
[01:49] <daker> godbyk,
[01:50] <daker> page 51
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[01:50] <godbyk> what's wrong?
[01:50] <daker> the screenshot have to be changed
[01:51] <godbyk> ah, it's using the old screenshot.
[01:51] <godbyk> sorry.
[01:51] <godbyk> oh well.
[01:51] <godbyk> it'll be fixed soon. :)
[01:51] <daker> oki
[01:51] <daker> the Selecting search engines screenshot too
[01:52] <godbyk> they're from when I branched off the main branch.
[01:52] <godbyk> so I didn't pull in the new screenshots.
[01:53] <daker> switching to my desktop
[01:53] <daker> brb
[01:53] <godbyk> k
[02:12] <godbyk> Well, that can't be good.
[02:13] <daker> whag$
[02:13] <daker> what*
[02:13] <godbyk> I scored 100 on the nerd quiz that's been making the rounds on Planet Ubuntu.
[02:17] <daker> godbyk, help
[02:17] <daker> https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+pots/ubu-man-website-translations
[02:17] <daker> and click 'status'
[02:18] <daker> what language should i remove from the list ?
[02:18] <daker> languages*
[02:23] <godbyk> From the website dropdown list?
[02:23] <daker> yes
[02:23] <godbyk> Hmm.. I s'pose we should set some threshold and remove anything that has less than that amount translated.
[02:24] <godbyk> Say, anything less than 75%?
[02:24] <daker> oki
[02:25] <godbyk> The language names in the drop-down list should also be the native language names, not the English translations of the language names.
[02:26] <godbyk> So Deutsch instead of German, for instance.
[02:27] <daker> oki
[02:52] <daker> hey doctormo !!!
[02:52] <doctormo> hello
[02:53] <daker> how are you
[02:53] <daker> ?
[02:55] <doctormo> good, a bit tired, think I'm coming down with something
[02:55] <daker> is there any ppa for the GC 1.6 ?
[02:57] <doctormo> yes, there are 2
[02:57] <doctormo> One for the release (1.5) which doesn't work and then one for the nightly build
[02:58] <doctormo> https://launchpad.net/~groundcontrollers/+archive/dailybuilds
[03:01] <daker> godbyk, i think we reach our goal 1 139 fans
[03:06] <godbyk> daker: cool!
[03:06] <godbyk> daker: have you written any of the download counter scripts yet? do you need any help with them?
[03:08] <daker> that's fine :)
[03:32] <doctormo> daker: did you get it working?
[03:32] <daker> yes
[03:36] <daker> doctormo, how can i describe changes in multiple lines ?
[03:37] <doctormo> daker: Do you need to? why do you need to?
[03:38] <daker> i can't write all the bugs fix in one line :)
[03:39] <doctormo> Why are you commiting all bug fixes at the same time? seperate them out.
[03:39] <doctormo> Do smaller commits
[03:39] <doctormo> That's the basic way of doing it, it makes each fix a seperatable patch then.
[03:39] <daker> i see
[03:41] <doctormo> Although I could see a need for adding in something to do multiple lines, it's just not supported right now.
[03:41] <doctormo> Perhaps a bug added to launchpad and I could wishlist it.
[03:50] <daker> should i added it as bug or what ?
[04:01] <doctormo> If you think it's important
[04:08] <doctormo> thanks for testing by the way, you;ve probably got things to say about it.
[04:09] <daker> no problem
[04:12] <daker> doctormo, question : how can i get a branch with GC ?
[04:12] <doctormo> daker: do you have the project directory inside the Projects directory??
[04:13] <daker> yes
[04:13] <doctormo> then there should be a button to get code
[04:13] <doctormo> or is it get branch
[04:13] <daker> oki
[04:36] <daker> daker, can i change the dir "Projects" to "ubuntu-projects" and get the buttons at the top ?
[04:38] <daker> doctormo, humphreybc  can i change the dir "Projects" to "ubuntu-projects" and get the buttons at the top ?
[04:39] <humphreybc> nope, i don't think that will work daker
[04:39] <humphreybc> unless doctormo has built in customizable folders for 1.6?
[04:39] <daker> that would be great
[04:39] <humphreybc> I think it's on the wishlist
[04:39] <humphreybc> just keep harassing doctormo till he implements it
[04:40] <humphreybc> :
[04:40] <humphreybc> :)
[04:43] <daker> http://test.ubuntu-manual.org
[04:43] <humphreybc> what am I looking at?
[04:44] <daker> language list, icons
[04:44] <humphreybc> the icons still move when you scroll down, though
[04:44] <humphreybc> no they don't
[04:44] <humphreybc> haha
[04:44] <daker> oki
[04:44] <humphreybc> just needed to clear the cache
[04:45] <daker> yes
[04:45] <humphreybc> so all of these languages are more or less finished?
[04:45] <daker> yes about 75%
[04:45] <humphreybc> awesome
[04:46] <humphreybc> great, and the icons open in a new tab. you never cease to amaze me daker!
[04:46] <humphreybc> you're brilliant!
[04:46] <daker> thanks :)
[04:46] <daker> doctormo, anthor bug
[04:47] <daker> GC give me a duplicate result
[04:48] <daker> http://imagebin.org/93808
[04:51] <daker> humphreybc, i think you've missed something
[04:51] <humphreybc> hmm?
[04:51] <daker> we have 1 141 fans
[04:51] <humphreybc> oh yea, i know :D
[04:52] <daker> o.O
[04:52] <humphreybc> I posted the link on the OMG! Ubuntu! fan page
[04:52] <humphreybc> we got like another 250 fans in 12 hours
[04:54] <daker> oh
[05:16] <daker> night all
[05:23] <doctormo> humphreybc: I think you can change the name of the folder, so long as the .groundcontrol file exists in the dir.
[05:23] <humphreybc> ah
[05:31]  * humphreybc is cracking up at some the stuff people are posting about my uni
[05:31] <humphreybc> http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=112309325466828&v=wall&ref=nf
[08:17] <vish> humphreybc: hmm, where's daker ?
[08:17] <vish> oh , he's off to sleep ;)
[08:18] <vish> humphreybc: do you know about the facebook and twitter icons on the http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/  ?
[08:18] <vish> where he got them? they seem to be tango icons...
[08:27]  * vish brb
[09:09] <ubuntujenkins> morning all
[09:10] <thorwil> morning!
[09:41] <humphreybc> vish: i got them from google :P
[09:43] <ubuntujenkins> hello hemanth I am about to approve you now, I will talk you though our code base/plans for the next release
[09:47] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, roger that
[09:48] <ubuntujenkins> if you look at https://code.edge.launchpad.net/quickshot you will see we have three branches
[09:49] <ubuntujenkins> lp:quickshot is the main dvelopment focus where all the program stuff is.
[09:49] <hemanth> ok
[09:50] <ubuntujenkins> lp:quickshot/release contains this release in a sub folder
[09:50] <ubuntujenkins> lp:quickshot/server is the next server release
[09:50] <hemanth> ok
[09:51] <ubuntujenkins> we haven't started had coding work on the next release yet we are on the planning stage this is what we aim to include https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/next-release-plan this was out last meeting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings#Quickshot meeting 18/04/2010
[09:51] <ubuntujenkins> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Meetings#Quickshot meeting 18/04/2010
[09:51] <ubuntujenkins> copy the whole link ^
[09:52] <hemanth> saved
[09:53] <ubuntujenkins> we are planing a major redesign for the next release and I am currently sorting out the gui design. We will be starting almost from scratch for this release but we can't do anything to lp:quickshot untill i know the the server is pointing at the release branch
[09:54] <hemanth> ok, thats exciting as its coding from starch
[09:55] <ubuntujenkins> if you look at lp:quickshot/release and get your self familier with the code we have so far. We will be using bits of it but we will be rewrting 90% of it
[09:56] <hemanth> okies i'm fetching the source
[09:56] <humphreybc> hey hemanth, are you a new Quickshot team member?
[09:56] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: meet humphreybc the manual project lead
[09:56] <hemanth> humphreybc, yes :)
[09:56] <humphreybc> awesome :)
[09:57] <ubuntujenkins> also hemanth can we try and sort out your bug please?
[09:57] <humphreybc> welcome to the team! Where did you hear about the project?
[09:58] <hemanth> i saw an link to ubuntu-manual page on my facebook wall from one of the ubuntu developers don rembr who exactly!
[09:58] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, yes that would be fun
[09:59] <humphreybc> nice!
[09:59] <ubuntujenkins> looking at it you are trying to run it runing it
[09:59] <ubuntujenkins> *in your user
[09:59]  * ubuntujenkins hit enter and not back 
[10:00] <ubuntujenkins> and your not seeing any gui?
[10:00] <humphreybc> well any questions you have, just ask one of us. Luke (ubuntujenkins) is the main Quickshot chap, I'm the team lead, Kevin (godbyk) is all things LaTeX, Thorsten (thorwil) is our artwork chap, Josh (dutchie) manages translations and other miscellaneous things
[10:00] <humphreybc> Red_Hamster X and titeuf also work on Quickshot
[10:00] <hemanth> hi to all :)
[10:01] <humphreybc> and there are a few people not in the channel like daker who's our web developer, Ilya who's our author coordinator and Jamin who's our head of editing who you'll meet soon enough!
[10:01] <hemanth> :)
[10:01] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, yes i see the UI, after i hit the login button it bombs
[10:01] <humphreybc> and with that I'm going to watch some Firefly episodes!
[10:02] <hemanth> ha ha ok :)
[10:03] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth can you run gnome-session-save --logout-dialog on the command line please?
[10:03] <ubuntujenkins> are you using gnome?
[10:04] <hemanth> me on kde! have installed all the gnome core also, unable to login to gnome on lucid beta2
[10:04] <hemanth> Failed to call logout: The name org.gnome.SessionManager was not provided by any .service files
[10:05] <ubuntujenkins> I have a feeling as you are on kde that is the problem, hmmI wonder what package is needed for that
[10:05] <ubuntujenkins> can you please install gnome-session
[10:06] <hemanth> o! ok, i'm doing a fresh apt-get install ubuntu-desktop
[10:06] <ubuntujenkins> that works as well :)
[10:06] <hemanth> ok 8 more mins...
[10:07] <hemanth> i m checking out the qucikshot code in bin
[10:08] <ubuntujenkins> the AIM this release is to try and avoid problems like this and make it run across every linux machine how easy it will be i don't know
[10:08] <hemanth> ok :)
[10:08] <trijntje> Can someon explain me how this "\menu{Music \then Quit}" is parsed, i'm not sure how to translate it
[10:10] <thorwil> trijntje: does that refer to an application that has no File menu, but a Music menu instead?
[10:10] <trijntje> Yes, Rhythmbox
[10:10] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, its bombing in the startNewSession method i presume
[10:10] <ubuntujenkins> thats what i thought hemanth which is why i gessed at the gnome-session save bit
[10:11] <thorwil> trijntje: then i surely means go to the Music menu, choose Quit item
[10:11] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: correct me if i am wrong but you only translate the "Music" and the "Quit" bit
[10:11] <ubuntujenkins> trijntje: ^^
[10:11] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, 1 more min i will be getting all gnome
[10:11] <ubuntujenkins> cool,
[10:11] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: Right.
[10:12] <godbyk> trijntje: Just translate 'Music' and 'Quit'.
[10:12] <ubuntujenkins> yey \o/
[10:12] <godbyk> Leave anything preceded by a backslash (\) untranslated.
[10:12] <trijntje> Thanks ubuntujenkins and godbyk
[10:12] <godbyk> So \menu and \then are left as-is (along with the { braces }.)
[10:13] <trijntje> I know a bit of LaTeX, but I was wondering if \then was used to escape from the \menu{} or something like that
[10:13] <godbyk> trijntje: If you haven't already, take a look at this PDF: http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf
[10:13] <godbyk> trijntje: Chapter 4 gives a huge list of LaTeX commands and shows what parts should and shouldn't be translated.
[10:13] <godbyk> If you have further questions, feel free to ask here or on the ubuntu-manual mailing list.
[10:13] <godbyk> (I'm off to bed now, though.  G'night!)
[10:14] <ubuntujenkins> night godbyk
[10:14] <trijntje> thanks godbyk, I hadnt seen that yet
[10:14] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, same error again, gnome-session daemon will not be running i blv...
[10:15] <ubuntujenkins> if you log into gnoe i would think it would work, all that button does is log you out to the login screen. I will add a comment to the bug expaling what we have found
[10:15] <ubuntujenkins> *gnome
[10:17] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, sorry missed ur previous message, guessed it right! gnome-session was not running, ran it and kde went non responsive
[10:19] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: right makes sense, Thats what i thought as well
[10:21] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, ya able to login now, so the fix is to check if gnome-session is running, if not try to start it in bg, if failed warn the user to install it or make it complaint with any right?
[10:22] <ubuntujenkins> I hope to make it compliant with any for the next release, as the manual is the only tema using it and they want gnome stuff, its not too much of a concern for the current release.
[10:22] <hemanth> o ok
[10:23] <hemanth> shall i state this observation in the bug report as a comment?
[10:23] <ubuntujenkins> yep feel free to
[10:24] <hemanth> :)
[10:25] <TommyBrunn> Hey guys, what's the preferred editor for LaTeX in Linux?
[10:25] <ubuntujenkins> gedit :-)
[10:26] <ubuntujenkins> thats what is use any way
[10:26] <ubuntujenkins> *i
[10:26] <TommyBrunn> Sure, but I'd prefer it if there was a less cumbersome way to add the markup than to remember every single tag in my head or copy'n'pasting.
[10:28] <ubuntujenkins> I am not aware of a program that does that, I think some of the markups are specific to us. A program/plugin that does it for the manual on the list of things to do.
[10:29] <vish> humphreybc: well , they dont fit the page ;) those two are the only tango icons in that page.. :)  tsk tsk , thorwil  bad designer ;p
[10:29] <thorwil> vish: what page are you talking about?
[10:30] <vish> thorwil:  http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/   not you i guess, but easier to blame you ;)
[10:30] <vish> thorwil: the facebook and the twitter icons
[10:31] <thorwil> vish: yes, not mine, but the um-planet one is
[10:31] <TommyBrunn> Alright. Thanks anyway ubuntujenkins. I was just looking for an easier way to format papers for my university, without having to manually remember every single damn APA rule.
[10:31] <ubuntujenkins> there may be one TommyBrunn but i don't know about it.
[10:32] <trijntje> It seems that teh Artist/Album browser entry is removed from the rhythmbox Control menu
[10:37] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, i commented with the workaround i tried now
[10:40] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: I like the work around, ulitmatley we need to find a command that works accross every desktop ui
[10:40] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, okies
[10:40] <ubuntujenkins> that may be rather hard to find though
[10:45] <hemanth> like the gdmflexiserver we have ksmserver right? but what if the user is not use kde nor gnome!
[10:46] <ubuntujenkins> I am not fmiliar with kde, we may have to work out what desktop ui the user is using and run a command based on that
[10:48] <hemanth> i was looking into kde tech base http://techbase.kde.org/Development/Architecture/KDE3/Session_Management
[10:53] <ubuntujenkins> If we can generate a list of all desktop envrioments and the logout command then that might be a way to do it
[10:54] <hemanth> yup
[11:04] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, collected all the environments, now collecting the commands
[11:05] <ubuntujenkins> wow fast mover hemanth
[11:05] <hemanth> thanks, there are about 12!
[11:06] <ubuntujenkins> really that many! we have to work out how to detect them all. how many of them use gtk?
[11:07] <hemanth> not sure how many use gtk, where can i share the list?
[11:07] <hemanth> pasite?
[11:07] <ubuntujenkins> pad.ubuntu-uk.org/qsdesktopenviroments
[11:08] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, https://gist.github.com/9f230db910e682a3aad9
[11:08] <hemanth> is gist fine or should i repaste to earthpad?
[11:09] <ubuntujenkins> If we use the ether pad we don't have to all login touse it. I haev just pasted it there
[11:09] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, see that, had heard much about earth pad using it now
[11:10] <ubuntujenkins> its really good. we aplays put our stuff on pad.ubuntu-uk.org there are other etherpads
[11:11] <hemanth> ok :)
[11:38] <popey> \o/ etherpad :)
[11:39] <hemanth> http://etherpad.com is down, is it free to host ?
[11:40] <Daviey> hemanth: etherpad is free software, http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org is an instance :)
[11:40]  * popey wonders if Daviey has 'etherpad' on hilight
[11:41] <Daviey> popey: nope!
[11:41] <popey> or ubuntu-uk ?
[11:41] <hemanth> Daviey, on it
[11:41] <ubuntujenkins> Daviey: always pops up when etherpad is mentioned
[11:41] <Daviey> popey: yus :)
[11:41] <Daviey> Which i assume yo do to ;P
[11:51] <daker> hi back
[11:52] <ubuntujenkins> hello daker
[11:57] <daker> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l5E0W2oGBPA
[11:59] <popey> Daviey: yup :)
[12:02] <humphreybc> hey, look everyone, it's Matt Griffin!! *applause*
[12:04] <daker> hi mattgriffin :)
[12:04] <mattgriffin> daker: hello
[12:04] <ubuntujenkins> hello mattgriffin o/
[12:04] <mattgriffin> heh
[12:04] <humphreybc> mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmattgriffin!
[12:04] <daker> !hello
[12:04] <manualbot> Hi! Welcome to #ubuntu-manual! Enjoy your stay!
[12:05] <humphreybc> :D
[12:05] <daker> ubuntujenkins, :p
[12:05] <mattgriffin> all these smiling faces so early in the morning :)
[12:05] <humphreybc> Well, you know, we're cool like that haha
[12:05] <mattgriffin> ok... off to a meeting. have a great day!
[12:05] <humphreybc> see ya mattgriffin!! have a fabulous day!
[12:06] <daker> see you mattgriffin
[12:07] <mattgriffin> ttfn
[12:11] <humphreybc> apparently quickshot is worth $40,663
[12:11] <ubuntujenkins> what??!!! where did you get that from?
[12:11] <daker> ha
[12:11] <humphreybc> https://www.ohloh.net/p/quickshot
[12:11] <humphreybc> bottom right
[12:11] <humphreybc> the Ubuntu Manual Project is worth $152,000 though :P
[12:12] <humphreybc> "This calculator estimates how much it would cost to hire a team to write this project from scratch."
[12:12] <ubuntujenkins> wheres out pay?
[12:12] <humphreybc> hehe
[12:14] <humphreybc> nothing compared to Open Office though, haha https://www.ohloh.net/p/openoffice
[12:14] <ubuntujenkins> wow
[12:14] <daker> Wowww o.O
[12:15] <humphreybc> VLC is worth 7 and a half million bucks, 139 person years
[12:15] <humphreybc> hence, the power of open source
[12:17] <humphreybc> vish, thorwil, if you guys want to create a better facebook icon and twitter icon for the website, feel free ;)
[12:18] <daker> humphreybc, +1
[12:18] <thorwil> humphreybc: i didn't so far because the icons are well known as the are, even if that makes them stand out a bit much
[12:19] <humphreybc> yeah, i don't think it's the end of the world
[12:20] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc, daker, and hemanth have a look at http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5012868/quickshot-ui.odp that is the latest version of the new quickshot ui. None of it is final.
[12:20] <thorwil> daker: but consider to turn off the drop shadows for the those 3 buttons
[12:20] <vish> thorwil: we dont have to redesign ;)  just removing the tango inner-outlines would do as well
[12:21] <daker> thorwil, kk
[12:21] <daker> ubuntujenkins, question : who is hemanth ?
[12:21] <daker> this the first time i saw him in the channel ? i am right ?
[12:21] <thorwil> vish: you have my blessing to tweak them ;)
[12:21] <ubuntujenkins> daker: hemanth is a new member he is new to the project
[12:21] <humphreybc> looking good ubuntujenkins
[12:21] <ubuntujenkins> any suggestions humphreybc
[12:21] <hemanth> daker,hi :)
[12:21] <vish> thorwil: whats wrong with having the drop shadows?
[12:22] <vish> daker: what size icons are required there?
[12:22] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: i'll have an indepth look soon, and do some mockups in photoshop for you
[12:22] <humphreybc> later this week, or weekend
[12:22] <vish> daker: rather what is the size of the UM icon?
[12:22] <humphreybc> what's the bar thing down the bottom? Is that a progress bar?
[12:23] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: don't worry about photo shop just yet wait untill we have had a quickshot miling list discussion on it. The progress bar only shows when the user is doing something
[12:23] <thorwil> vish: the shadows make the area around the buttons too busy. plus i prefer buttons to sit on a surface instead of floating around
[12:23] <humphreybc> thorwil: at some point, you might like to design a new quickshot logo :P
[12:23] <ubuntujenkins> oo that would be interesting
[12:23] <thorwil> humphreybc: :p makes me want not to ;)
[12:23] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: okay. If you're going to have a progress bar prominently displayed in the UI, you'd need to have it across all windows to keep consistency
[12:24] <daker> vish, 32x32
[12:24] <vish> daker: ty
[12:24] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: it only shows when needed. its not always there. I think its on nearly all of the windows.
[12:24] <vish> thorwil: could you send me the UM icon?
[12:24] <humphreybc> thorwil: hehe. well since Quickshot will be able to be used by any projects, we shouldn't have the circle of friends in the logo, and the wallpaper is from karmic... and there's a lot of brown :P
[12:25] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: right. I'll have a closer look in the next few days :)
[12:25] <ubuntujenkins> thorwil: the ultimate aim for this release is to make it cross linux in every desktop enviroment
[12:25] <humphreybc> daker, aren't you going to remove the drop shadows from the website entirely?
[12:25] <humphreybc> they don't work in chrome
[12:26] <daker> but it works in the others
[12:26] <ubuntujenkins> thats why i don't see them
[12:26] <thorwil> vish: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~t-w-/%2Bjunk/ubuntu_manual_cover/files/53  icon-button_planet.svg and .png
[12:26] <humphreybc> Looking at Firefox and Chrome side-by-side, I think I prefer the site without drop shadows entirely
[12:26] <humphreybc> (I know, crazy coming from me!)
[12:26] <ubuntujenkins> same
[12:26] <daker> so should i remove it ?
[12:27] <humphreybc> daker: yes
[12:27] <daker> hemanth, you are welcome
[12:27] <daker> humphreybc, oki
[12:27] <hemanth> daker, thank you :)
[12:28] <thorwil> humphreybc: just like the oral and anal phases and puberty, the drop shadow phase usually doesn't last forever
[12:28] <humphreybc> LOL
[12:28] <humphreybc> thorwil, I've never known you to be so vulgar in a publicly logged chatroom :P
[12:29] <daker> lol
[12:29] <vish> humphreybc: whaaaaat!  thorwil can do better ;p
[12:29] <thorwil> humphreybc: hah, don't ask kwwii bout that. or vish
[12:30] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: when is Quickshot 1.0 slated for release?
[12:33]  * humphreybc has 39mb of mobile data to burn on his android phone in half an hour
[12:35]  * hemanth quick restart trying ati drivers on lucid 
[12:37]  * humphreybc is downloading stuff from the market
[12:55] <semioticrobotic> 'morning
[12:59] <humphreybc> hey bryan
[12:59] <humphreybc> is it just me, or are most android apps stink?
[13:01] <semioticrobotic> ha!
[13:01] <semioticrobotic> couldn't tell you
[13:01] <semioticrobotic> I don't have an Android phone :(
[13:01] <semioticrobotic> the new HTC/Verizon thing (in the States) looks interesting
[13:07] <daker> hemanth, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/
[13:07] <daker> humphreybc,  http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/
[13:07] <daker> sorry
[13:08] <semioticrobotic> wow, looking great!
[13:08] <humphreybc> looks good daker
[13:09] <semioticrobotic> the other day, I was reviewing the "getting started as an author or editor page," and the instructions all pertained to helping with quickshot
[13:09] <semioticrobotic> glad to see that's been altered, darker
[13:09] <semioticrobotic> that countdown timer can't be correct!  8 days!  o_0
[13:09] <daker> semioticrobotic, it correct
[13:10] <humphreybc> anyone who hasn't seen already: http://humphreybc.wordpress.com/2010/04/21/announcing-getting-started-with-ubuntu-10-10-quickshot-v1-0-and-the-ubuntu-quickstart-booklet/
[13:10] <semioticrobotic> oh, I know :)
[13:10] <semioticrobotic> I was just commenting on how quickly the release is approaching
[13:10] <humphreybc> I downloaded the RC just now
[13:10] <humphreybc> godbyk has done a good job touching up some of the formatting issues
[13:10] <humphreybc> like where screenshots would interrupt in bad places
[13:10] <semioticrobotic> having a look right now
[13:11] <semioticrobotic> yes, I see
[13:11] <semioticrobotic> very nice indeed
[13:12] <semioticrobotic> the glossary seems to be showing some odd spacing
[13:12] <semioticrobotic> oh!  I see now
[13:12] <semioticrobotic> it's grouped by letter
[13:13] <semioticrobotic> make sense
[13:14] <semioticrobotic> humphreybc: Would it be best for editors to got through their chapters and identify a few concrete areas to be addresses for lucid-e2?
[13:14] <semioticrobotic> what's our plan of attack, so to speak?
[13:14] <humphreybc> um
[13:14] <humphreybc> hmm
[13:14] <semioticrobotic> er, addressed
[13:15] <humphreybc> the first thing we should do after the release is set up a couple of methods for people to give feedback
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> I know we're adding content only in dire cases (a good idea), but it may still be a good idea to generate a few to-do lists
[13:15] <humphreybc> so we should have a survey
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> ok
[13:15] <humphreybc> with some questions like "What do you think is missing?" blah blah etcetera
[13:15] <semioticrobotic> ok
[13:15] <humphreybc> and also, we should encourage people to report bugs
[13:16] <humphreybc> If we do those things, the to do list will be made for us ;)
[13:16] <semioticrobotic> ideally, it'd be nice to have a feedback system that funneled all comments into a general inbox, which was subsequently managed by someone who could delegate those tasks/suggestions to individual chapter editors
[13:16] <semioticrobotic> gotcha
[13:17] <humphreybc> yeah, that would be great
[13:17] <semioticrobotic> of course, that's "ideally"
[13:17] <humphreybc> when we set up our bug reporting/feedback form with the Launchpad API
[13:17] <semioticrobotic> I noticed that in your "State of the Manual Address" :)
[13:17] <humphreybc> we'll have something like that, and basically recruit someone as a full time triager and assigner
[13:17] <humphreybc> so people will always have stuff to do ;)
[13:17] <humphreybc> hehehe
[13:17] <semioticrobotic> what kind of custom Launchpad stuff are we thinking about?
[13:18] <semioticrobotic> awesome
[13:18] <humphreybc> did you like it? I was trying to emulate Mark. I showed Mark it, he said it's awesome
[13:18] <semioticrobotic> haha
[13:18] <semioticrobotic> then you succeeded
[13:18] <humphreybc> well not so much doing anything with LP itself but rather making our own form that uses the API to report bugs under our project
[13:18] <semioticrobotic> the zeal is there -- "100 percent error free"
[13:18] <semioticrobotic> gotcha, gotcha
[13:18] <humphreybc> the front end would be a customized pretty form
[13:18] <semioticrobotic> that would be truly amazing, and so helpful
[13:18] <humphreybc> back end would just be what we see now, Launchpad
[13:18] <humphreybc> Also, by Maverick I want to have everything shifted off the wiki
[13:19] <humphreybc> Most of it is already
[13:19] <semioticrobotic> the GDocs solution worked for lucid-e1
[13:19] <semioticrobotic> but it was a bit chaotic
[13:19] <semioticrobotic> shifted off the wiki, yeah
[13:19] <humphreybc> We also will need to look at the website in depth, analyze the instructions, create scripts where we can automate some instructions, use apt:urls and stuff more, so it's super simple
[13:19] <semioticrobotic> yes, mostly everything has been transferred already (thanks to the excellent work by the Web team)
[13:19] <humphreybc> at the moment our instructions are a bit lengthy and off putting
[13:20] <semioticrobotic> sure, understandable
[13:20] <humphreybc> the only thing we use the wiki for at the moment is to post meeting related stuff
[13:20] <semioticrobotic> I can attest to that somewhat.  As a relative noob, I struggled (as you know) to catch up to the project when I first started
[13:21] <semioticrobotic> but now that I'm in synch, everything is running smoothly
[13:21] <humphreybc> there's no reason why we can't keep using the wiki as a team, but I don't want any *customers* / readers seeing the wiki
[13:21] <semioticrobotic> so the fewer barriers to entry, the better
[13:21] <humphreybc> yeah, exactly
[13:21] <humphreybc> I can't imagine how difficult it would be to join our team now
[13:21] <semioticrobotic> right -- wiki for "internal use" only
[13:21] <semioticrobotic> :)
[13:21] <humphreybc> exactly
[13:21] <humphreybc> so the main wiki page will have a big phat button that says "REDIRECT ME TO THE WEBSITE"
[13:21] <humphreybc> or something
[13:22] <semioticrobotic> I learned a lot about Linux, Ubuntu, and RSA encryption during that initiation period!
[13:22] <semioticrobotic> right
[13:22] <humphreybc> eventually we'll phase out the wiki link, most people will never see it
[13:22] <semioticrobotic> perhaps the website could just contain a blog or other CMS that would allow you to post meeting times?
[13:22] <humphreybc> not using the wiki gives a lot more flexibility on appearance, content, image placement and translations
[13:22] <semioticrobotic> yes, definitely
[13:22] <thorwil> daker: looks pretty good, except the footer. "Some rights reserved" and a CC license is odd. if it stays 2 lines of text, they should have the same alignment and both be either the last thing on the "page", or sit below it
[13:23] <humphreybc> yeah I was thinking about that, I don't see the benefits of developing a CMS just for meetings at the moment when the wiki works fine as is
[13:23] <humphreybc> but in the future, if we find we need it, we'll definitely be doing something like that
[13:24] <semioticrobotic> very true
[13:24] <humphreybc> i'm just looking at the instructions for getting started as an author now
[13:24] <humphreybc> it's way too complicated
[13:24] <daker> thorwil, in what language ?
[13:24] <thorwil> daker: English
[13:25]  * humphreybc is going to start creating some work item b-b-blueprints for lucid-e2 and maverick!
[13:25] <semioticrobotic> humphreybc: Taking it one step at a time, it isn't TOO bad ... but it LOOKS complicated, and that's a barrier to entry
[13:25] <humphreybc> yeah
[13:25] <humphreybc> we can make it a lot better
[13:25] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: I have targeted the release of quickshot for 21/08/2010
[13:25] <semioticrobotic> b-b-blueprints!
[13:25] <semioticrobotic> exciting stuff
[13:25] <daker> thorwil, capture pls
[13:26]  * ubuntujenkins needs to do quickshot blueprints
[13:26] <humphreybc> when we get packaged in the Software Center, we should also have a package that people can install that basically does everything
[13:26] <humphreybc> does everything, ie, everything needed to help
[13:26] <semioticrobotic> the manual will be packaged in the software center?
[13:26] <humphreybc> then we can just instruct wannabe contributors to install that package
[13:26] <thorwil> daker: http://www.foopics.com/showfull/099afff23b35db0fc65ba852a7d0b968
[13:27] <humphreybc> I'm hoping it will be available in the SC for maverick, yes, and I'll be talking to chaps at UDS about that
[13:27] <semioticrobotic> that's great
[13:27] <semioticrobotic> so while we may not be able to get it "on the desktop" for 10.10, there's a good chance it'll be easily attainable
[13:28] <daker> thorwil, is this firefox or what ?
[13:28] <thorwil> daker: yes, FF 3.5.9
[13:28] <daker> what resolution ?
[13:29] <humphreybc> get ready for blueprint emails galore
[13:29] <semioticrobotic> (site is looking good in Safari 4.0.4, by the way)
[13:30] <daker> thorwil, i think is due to your resolution
[13:30] <thorwil> daker: it's independent of browser window size. the offset of the last line varies between languages. it's zero for German
[13:32] <thorwil> daker: 1280x1024, but there would have to be something very odd going on for that to have an effect
[13:36] <daker> this is very odd
[13:36] <daker> :D
[13:37] <semioticrobotic> okay friends, gotta run
[13:37] <semioticrobotic> o/
[13:37] <semioticrobotic> take care
[13:37] <ubuntujenkins> bye semioticrobotic
[13:37] <daker> bye semioticrobotic
[13:40] <humphreybc> see ya Bryan
[13:45] <daker> oh yo yo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D1xwtv2HRyc
[13:48] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, in the list we made most of them have no info on save and logout!
[13:49] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth:hhmm, there must be some command somewhere but it must be very hard to find. We will just go with what we have at the moment and keep looking into it
[13:49] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, gnome,kde and xfce i have collected
[13:49] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, Étoilé i'm hearing it for the first time
[13:50] <daker> brb
[13:51] <ubuntujenkins> can we find the best way to tell which one is running? I guess looking at the proccess list.
[13:51] <humphreybc> Launchpad being slow isn't that great when trying to create a zillion blueprints
[13:51] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, ya that way it can be done
[13:52] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, but i think there must be some generic work around or some library in py to manage this
[13:53] <ubuntujenkins> I guess there might be, something to look into
[13:53] <hemanth> yup
[13:54] <humphreybc> ...aand the blueprint emails start pouring in
[13:55] <humphreybc> it's always funny when this happens. We get a tonne of new blueprints, I seem to get a tonne of karma, and we usually have about half a dozen people leave the team due to the spam on the ML hahaha
[13:55] <ubuntujenkins> I was about to say that
[13:55] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, no one responded from #python also hmm...
[13:56] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: its abit hit and miss if they give a response. also try #ubuntu-app-devel they are helpful it can take a while for someone to respond
[13:57] <hemanth> ok, joined #ubuntu-app-devel
[13:57] <nisshh> whats up everyone?
[13:57] <ubuntujenkins> there are not many people in there hemanth but they are alwasy helpfull
[13:57] <humphreybc> hey nisshh, not much. wanna help me sort out some blueprints?
[13:59] <nisshh> humphreybc: sure
[13:59] <nisshh> not doing much atm
[13:59] <humphreybc> sweet. could you go through all the blueprints for the 1st edition (ie, one we've been working on) and make sure their statuses reflect the real status, so for example, chapter 3 has "Needs code review" when in actual fact it should be "Implemented"
[14:00] <humphreybc> actually, ALL of the chapter blueprints should now be "Implemented" because we're past the writing freeze
[14:00] <nisshh> right
[14:00] <humphreybc> you'll get a crapload of karma!
[14:00] <nisshh> yea, i could use some too!
[14:05] <nisshh> is it just me or does launchpad.net load WAY faster>
[14:05] <humphreybc> way faster than..?
[14:06] <nisshh> than a a week or two ago
[14:06] <trijntje> ubuntujenkins: I think you adviced me to install ubuntu to a usb-disk to capture the screenshots of the installation, but this is a bad idea ias it will still install grub to the primary HDD
[14:07] <trijntje> Just for your information
[14:07] <nisshh> humphreybc: what about chapter6--old?
[14:07] <humphreybc> get rid of that
[14:07] <humphreybc> also stuff that we've already passed, like beta-release for lucid and stuff
[14:08] <nisshh> ok
[14:08] <humphreybc> pretty much anything that's targeted to the lucid-e1 series needs to be either set to "implemented" or re-targeted to lucid-e2 if we haven't finsihed it
[14:08] <nisshh> ok
[14:09] <humphreybc> anything you're not sure about, ask me and i'll tell you where to re-target it
[14:09] <ubuntujenkins> trijntje: I hadn't thought about that, thanks for letting me know.
[14:09] <humphreybc> you just do the lucid-e1 stuff, i'm working on lucid-e2 and maverick blueprints
[14:09] <nisshh> right, what should i mark chapter6--old as then?
[14:09] <humphreybc> trijntje: it won't do that if you install it using the USB Disc Creator in Ubuntu
[14:09] <humphreybc> nisshh: mark it obsoleted by something, chapter6
[14:09] <humphreybc> or just implemented to get rid of it
[14:09] <nisshh> ok cool
[14:10] <trijntje> humphreybc: will that also show the slideshow etc? I cant recall i saw that
[14:10] <humphreybc> for the next release we're not going to have blueprints for each chapter
[14:10] <nisshh> right, whats going to happen then?
[14:10] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: trijntje means when you do the install from the live cd you need to choose somewhere to install the os to get the partioning screenshot
[14:10] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: oooooooooohhhhhhhh
[14:10] <humphreybc> nisshh: probably just a blueprint for writing, then we can use the whiteboard to assign authors
[14:11] <nisshh> ok
[14:14] <humphreybc> re-target editing, formatting, translations, glossary, referencing and credits to lucid-e2
[14:14] <humphreybc> re-target optimization to maverick
[14:14] <nisshh> ok
[14:19] <humphreybc> did you change the milestones as well?
[14:19] <humphreybc> most of them should be RC
[14:19] <humphreybc> (for maverick)
[14:19] <humphreybc> there aren't any milestones for lucid-e2
[14:20] <humphreybc> we're not going to have an alpha/beta/etc for that
[14:20] <nisshh> right
[14:20] <humphreybc> well, we might do
[14:20] <humphreybc> we might have a writing freeze
[14:20] <nisshh> writing freeze is good
[14:20] <nisshh> kind of like ubuntus feature freezr
[14:20] <humphreybc> awesome, so after 20 minutes of blueprint editing, we now have a list of current blueprints targeted to stuff in the future!
[14:20] <nisshh> hehe
[14:21] <nisshh> ill update all the milestones next
[14:21] <humphreybc> everyone, go and look here, see if we've missed anything for lucid-e2/maverick
[14:21] <humphreybc> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[14:22] <nisshh> humphreybc: what about final-release-lucid? iv left it at e1 for now
[14:23] <humphreybc> yeah, it has to be left at e1 till it's actually released ;)
[14:23] <nisshh> oh yea , silly me!
[14:24] <nisshh> humphreybc: which milestones need updating>
[14:24] <nisshh> ?
[14:24] <humphreybc> um
[14:24] <humphreybc> pretty much everything you've already changed
[14:25] <nisshh> ah right
[14:25] <humphreybc> make sure they're targeted to the correct milestone. If it's for Maverick, ask me what milestone (there are four: alpha, beta, RC and final)
[14:25] <humphreybc> daker: what's your launchpad username?
[14:25] <nisshh> ok
[14:26] <humphreybc> nvm, found it
[14:26] <daker> done
[14:26] <humphreybc> adnane002 :)
[14:26] <humphreybc> also, nisshh, the blueprints that have been re-targeted need to have their status updated, ie, reset to zero
[14:27] <humphreybc> for example, translations haven't started on lucid-e2 yet
[14:27] <nisshh> humphreybc: what should editing, formatting, etc, be? e2 or maverick?
[14:27] <humphreybc> e2
[14:27] <nisshh> right yea
[14:30] <nisshh> humphreybc: optimizing? its for maverick, but which milestone?
[14:30] <humphreybc> final
[14:31] <nisshh> yep
[14:32] <daker> humphreybc, question
[14:32] <humphreybc> shoot
[14:32] <daker> why autodetection language when i click on the button ?
[14:33] <humphreybc> because we want to reduce the number of steps people need to do to get the manual
[14:33] <humphreybc> if we can do something automatically for them, we should
[14:33] <humphreybc> makes their life easier
[14:33] <daker> oki
[14:33] <humphreybc> but we need to make sure we have a plan B if the auto-detected language isn't what they wanted
[14:34] <humphreybc> for example, if they're on a shared computer at an airport or something
[14:34] <humphreybc> or maybe they want to give it to a friend
[14:34] <daker> what button ? on the home page or the downloads page N
[14:34] <daker> ?
[14:34] <humphreybc> in most cases, the auto detection should work well, if not, we should have another way for them to select a different language
[14:34] <humphreybc> on the home page only
[14:34] <humphreybc> the downloads page button should take into the settings they've chosen
[14:34] <humphreybc> like the mockup
[14:34] <daker> its already done :)
[14:35] <humphreybc> nice!
[14:35] <nisshh> i really love docky!
[14:35] <humphreybc> when it doesn't crash on ya
[14:35] <humphreybc> :P
[14:35] <humphreybc> now, to clear all these emails
[14:36] <humphreybc> 26 in fact
[14:36] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: any idea why the quickshot blueprints are not being mailed to the quickshot mailing list?>
[14:36] <humphreybc> not sure
[14:36] <humphreybc> ask in #launchpad
[14:36] <humphreybc> say I sent you :P
[14:38] <nisshh> humphreybc: i *think* im done
[14:39] <humphreybc> hehe
[14:39] <humphreybc> i'll have a look tomorrow, probably create some more blueprints for maverick and e2
[14:39] <nisshh> right
[14:39] <nisshh> anything else fun for me to do?
[14:39] <nisshh> :)
[14:39] <humphreybc> not really :P
[14:40] <nisshh> aawwwww!
[14:40] <humphreybc> take a look at the latest Ground Control branch
[14:40] <humphreybc> do some testing, daker has done some, he can help
[14:40] <humphreybc> report bugs
[14:40] <humphreybc> Also you can check out the Quickshot user interface design idea from ubuntujenkins, he'll give you the link
[14:40] <nisshh> hmmmm
[14:40] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5012868/quickshot-ui.odp
[14:41] <humphreybc> you can also go through the bugs that have been reported on launchpad and make sure their status is correct, also if they're targeted correctly
[14:41] <humphreybc> answer any questions we may have
[14:41] <nisshh> ok
[14:42] <daker> sometimes GC takes a long time to open the window
[14:42] <daker> like now
[14:42] <daker> more than 4min
[14:42] <humphreybc> sign up to ohloh.net and https://openhatch.org
[14:42] <humphreybc> find our projects, mark yourself as a contributor, look at stats :P
[14:43] <nisshh> yep
[14:43] <humphreybc> lots of stuff to do!
[14:43] <nisshh> hehe
[14:43] <humphreybc> keep pestering daker every 5 minutes till he sends me his mugshot
[14:43] <nisshh> id like to help out alot more than i have been to be honest
[14:43] <humphreybc> then pester me every 5 minutes to put his mugshot into the video and re-render it
[14:43] <humphreybc> well, you can help with research and feedback actually
[14:43] <nisshh> oooh, bad daker!
[14:43] <humphreybc> i'm sure Ilya will need help
[14:44] <humphreybc> we need to create a survey after this release to get some feedback
[14:44] <humphreybc> start thinking of some questions we'd need to answer
[14:44] <humphreybc> ask*
[14:44] <nisshh> whats the survey collecting information about?
[14:44] <nisshh> generally
[14:46] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: nice looking ui mockup
[14:46] <daker> f***
[14:46] <nisshh> daker: what was that?
[14:46] <ubuntujenkins> thanks nisshh any thoughts?
[14:46] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: ill let you know, still looking through i
[14:46] <nisshh> it
[14:47] <ubuntujenkins> The progrsess bar will only show when the program is doing
[14:47] <ubuntujenkins> something i.e. setting up a user account or checking the server.
[14:48] <daker> GC freezes my ubuntu and i was forced to restart it
[14:48] <humphreybc> nisshh: if you're looking for extra stuff to do there is always logistical things, we need more people triaging bugs, targeting blueprints, assigning bugs, answering questions, replying to emails in the ML etc
[14:48] <humphreybc> daker: sounds like a bug to report ;)
[14:49] <humphreybc> the surveys would have the goal of figuring out what we can improve on for lucid e2, and what we need to add
[14:49] <daker> well i think it's due to my connexion
[14:49] <nisshh> ok, ill think about it
[14:49] <humphreybc> look at Ilya's previous survey
[14:49] <humphreybc> it's on our wiki somewhere
[14:49] <humphreybc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/Research/SurveyJan2010
[14:51] <humphreybc> hey gnarly, the next Ubuntu Bug Day is targeting Evince
[15:09] <humphreybc> okay i'm off to bed to read for a bit
[15:09] <humphreybc> night all
[15:09] <ubuntujenkins> night humphreybc
[15:09] <daker> night humphreybc
[15:10] <humphreybc> also, you know that memory leak I had?
[15:10] <humphreybc> it's this bug here
[15:10] <humphreybc> https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/565981
[15:10] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 565981 in xorg-server "[KMS] gem objects not deallocated" [Critical,Confirmed]
[15:23] <daker> ubuntujenkins, google gravity http://bit.ly/dBqCXD
[15:24] <ubuntujenkins> daker: that is AMAZING it moves when you move your window as well
[15:24] <ubuntujenkins> and you can even search with it
[15:25] <daker> hhhhhhhhh
[15:25] <daker> brb
[15:59] <ubuntujenkins> brb
[17:04]  * ubuntujenkins grrr my internet keeps diying
[18:19] <ubuntujenkins> did i miss anything whilst th uni interent failed?
[18:23] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: Nope, you didn't miss anything.
[18:23] <godbyk> My Internet may be down for a bit this afternoon if the cable guy shows up.
[18:23] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks godbyk, ok lets hope he fixes it this time
[18:23] <godbyk> I'm going to make a sandwich.  brb.
[18:23] <godbyk> Me, too.
[18:23] <godbyk> Tired of it being down all the time.
[18:44] <daker> ubuntujenkins, http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot/help
[18:46] <ubuntujenkins> daker: thats good there is one thing that needs to go on there
[18:46] <daker> ?
[18:46] <ubuntujenkins> to follow still typing it
[18:46] <daker> oki
[18:50] <ubuntujenkins> you can do screenshots in other languages you will need to have other language packs installed. Log out of the quickshot user, choose the quickshot user and you can change the langauge in the bottom left corner. Quickshot will remain in english but the rest of the desktop will be in the langauge you choose
[18:50] <ubuntujenkins> daker: ^ something like that please. I may have made a typo in that so please check it
[18:51] <Steve^> hi
[18:51] <daker> ubuntujenkins, i am not good in english :)
[18:52] <ubuntujenkins> ok daker let me double check it
[18:52] <daker> Steve^, hi
[18:54] <ubuntujenkins> daker: To do screenshots in other languages you will need to have other language packs installed. Log out of the quickshot user, then choose the quickshot user. You can change the language in the bottom left corner. Quickshot will remain in English but the rest of the desktop will be in the language you choose
[18:54] <daker> oki
[18:55] <daker> should i add it at the end ?
[18:55] <ubuntujenkins> thanks, people ask that question allot
[18:55] <ubuntujenkins> erm..
[18:55] <ubuntujenkins> yes the end will be fine
[18:55] <ubuntujenkins> hello Steve^
[18:55] <daker> oki
[18:56] <ubuntujenkins> thanks
[18:56] <Steve^> I write a lot of documentation for my team at work and I like Ubuntu, so I figure this might be a good way to give back to the project
[18:56] <ubuntujenkins> cool, are you farmiliar with laytex?
[18:56] <ubuntujenkins> we always need more people
[18:57] <ubuntujenkins> laytex is easy to get the hang of
[18:57] <Steve^> yea, used it for my dissertation
[18:57] <ubuntujenkins> cool let me find the style guide
[18:58] <ubuntujenkins> http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf is the style guide,
[18:59] <Steve^> just following the startup guide, found a mistake already :)
[18:59] <ubuntujenkins> where? have you looked at http://ubuntu-manual.org/getinvolved/authors
[19:01] <Steve^> yea, can't branch without telling bzr my launchpad id first
[19:01] <daker> yes
[19:01] <ubuntujenkins> we all work on the main branch but please don't touch lucid/e1
[19:02] <ubuntujenkins> sorry dontt touch lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1 its on a wrtting freeze
[19:03] <Steve^> ok, my bzr is too old aswell
[19:03] <Steve^> which is because I'm running 9.04
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> you can't compile the manual with out texlive 2009 its about 2gb to download btw
[19:04] <dutchie> only if you get all of it
[19:04] <Steve^> that's quite large
[19:04] <dutchie> not sure what the minimal size of latex is, godbyk may know
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> or you could do a dutchie and cause lots of problems :P
[19:04] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: oh, thanks
[19:04] <ubuntujenkins> :-)
[19:04] <Steve^> latex for windows was just under 200 meg I believe
[19:05] <godbyk> I'm not sure what the minimal installation size is. Sorry.
[19:05] <Steve^> which I thought was ridiculous
[19:05] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: are you oggcamping?
[19:06] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: i want to but the train tickets are really expensive and I have no where to stay
[19:06] <dutchie> :(
[19:06] <dutchie> bring a sleeping bag, it'll probably be warm and there are loads of parks
[19:06] <dutchie> if you start walking now, you'll have loads of time
[19:07] <ubuntujenkins> its a 4 hour train journey, I like walking long distances but thats too far
[19:08] <daker> godbyk, ubuntujenkins, dutchie Lucid RC hasn't been released yet ?
[19:08] <ubuntujenkins> daker: no not yet the anoucment isn't out
[19:08] <dutchie> tomorrow iirc
[19:08] <dutchie> http://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidReleaseSchedule
[19:09] <ubuntujenkins> Steve^: give a shout in here if you get stuck btw.
[19:10] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: I hope ogg camp is near home next time
[19:11] <dutchie> the rumour is that it'll be on the south coast in uupc land
[19:11] <dutchie> there, or germany
[19:11] <ubuntujenkins> no oxford or nottingham area is good <<cough>> popey
[19:12] <Steve^> ubuntujenkins, "create symlinks to standard directories", what am I making symlinks to?
[19:12] <Steve^> I need to know in order to decide where to put the links
[19:13] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: will give the best answer, I am not 100% sure only 90%
[19:13] <dutchie> Steve^: /usr/local
[19:13] <dutchie> usually a good idea
[19:15] <daker> ubuntujenkins, i think we migrate all the wiki to the website
[19:16] <godbyk> Steve^: Definitely make the symlinks.
[19:16] <ubuntujenkins> WE need to work on the quickshot content
[19:16] <ubuntujenkins> sorry about the caps
[19:16] <godbyk> Steve^: Your other option is to add the lengthy texlive binary dir to your PATH.
[19:17] <ubuntujenkins> I knew we needed to make the symlinks but not 100% sure where too
[19:17] <dutchie> default's fine :)
[19:17] <dutchie> sticks manpages and things in the right place too
[19:18] <doctormo> humphreybc: thanks for the good writeup of the manual teams direction and posting it to learning
[19:19] <dutchie> doctormo: he is asleep
[19:19] <dutchie> give it a few hours, and he'll show up
[19:19] <doctormo> dutchie: I'm sure that he'll get the message in the either of time.
[19:20] <dutchie> not when he's not online
[19:20] <dutchie> I'll pass it along if you like
[19:37] <trijntje> is 29th of april also the translation deadline for the manual or is that the 22th?
[19:38] <dutchie> there is no translation deadline
[19:38] <ubuntujenkins> https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+question/106356 trijntje
[19:40] <trijntje> thanks ubuntujenkins, so the manual will not be included in the live-cd?
[19:40] <dutchie> too big, unfortunately
[19:50] <Steve^> why was tex chosen over HTML?
[19:50] <dutchie> because we wanted a single pdf
[19:51] <Steve^> why?
[19:51] <Steve^> I suppose you can convert tex to HTML but not the other way around
[19:53] <dutchie> the point of the project is to produce a single, easy-to-access file that has all the content in one place
[19:53] <dutchie> HTML is not "all in one place"
[19:54] <Steve^> oh
[19:55] <Steve^> so actually, you are writing a book
[19:56] <Steve^> then I'm probably wasting my time here
[19:56] <godbyk> Steve^: Yeah, we're writing a book.  We'll be making printed copies available soon, too.
[19:56] <godbyk> Steve^: What are you interested in doing?
[19:57] <Steve^> something lower level than what is currently in your PDF
[19:57] <godbyk> "lower level"?
[19:58] <Steve^> for example, would it ever include information about services?
[19:58] <Steve^> or how the things in /etc/rcx.d work?
[19:59] <dutchie> no
[19:59] <dutchie> more "how to install a printer"
[19:59] <Steve^> then that's too boring for me
[19:59] <Steve^> I wanted to make the geeky side of Linux more accessible
[20:00] <dutchie> well, we are planning an advanced manaul
[20:00] <Steve^> I think you have placed a massive restriction on it having to be in a book format
[20:01] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: where is the link to the etherpad that contains that?
[20:01] <Steve^> someone is always going to be in charge of a table of contents, that no author can go outside of
[20:01] <Steve^> Sure, there is a basic set of checkboxes that have to be ticked, but there is absolutely no scope for articles on top of that
[20:01] <dutchie> oh
[20:01] <dutchie> Ubuntu Contributors Manual (Scratched)
[20:01] <dutchie> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/MaiZTb4Fjd
[20:01]  * dutchie wishes people would tell him these things
[20:02] <ubuntujenkins> i didn't know either, are well more time to focus on programming quickshot
[20:02] <Steve^> What is that pad and why is it so slow?
[20:02] <ubuntujenkins> thanks dutchie
[20:02] <Steve^> ah, it has loaded
[20:03] <Steve^> that's pretty cool
[20:03] <Steve^> anyway
[20:03] <ubuntujenkins> Steve^: do you hav any php or python knowledge?
[20:04] <Steve^> yes
[20:04] <ubuntujenkins> which one? have you heard of quickshot?
[20:04] <Steve^> I understand that it makes screenshots of things and I have knowledge of both
[20:05] <Steve^> by trade, I am a programmer
[20:05] <daker> http://test.ubuntu-manual.org/quickshot/
[20:05] <Steve^> strangely enough I thought this project was a good idea because I could contribute by writing rather than programming
[20:06] <ubuntujenkins> well we have a new release planned, these are the features we aim to add https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/quickshot/next-release-plan
[20:06] <Steve^> dutchie, is the Ubuntu Contributors Manual the same as the advanced manual?
[20:06] <dutchie> yes
[20:06] <dutchie> and "was"
[20:06] <Steve^> then there is no hope
[20:06] <godbyk> So much despair! :)
[20:08] <daker> ubuntujenkins, godbyk , dutchie  do you have any good tutorials about pygtk ?
[20:09] <ubuntujenkins> I do it all the ui in glade. bit of a cheat really
[20:09] <Steve^> I really hoped this was a project to bring all the articles on blogs together
[20:09] <Steve^> so they could be a proper, reliable resource
[20:10] <dutchie> daker: http://www.pygtk.org/pygtk2tutorial/index.html
[20:10] <godbyk> Ah, I see.  Well, we're just starting out.  Our first project is the beginner's guide to Ubuntu.  As we get time, we'll look into writing other material as well.
[20:10]  * ubuntujenkins bookmarks it i need to learn that stuff
[20:11] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: have you looked at the latest ui ideas for quickshot?
[20:11] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: no, not really
[20:11] <daker> dutchie, thanks
[20:11] <dutchie> haven't been keeping up with quickshot
[20:11] <Steve^> I've cancelled my download, left the mailing list
[20:11] <dutchie> daker: np
[20:11] <Steve^> bye guys
[20:11] <dutchie> bye Steve^
[20:11] <godbyk> Okay, the cable Internet tech is on his way, so my connection may drop out for a bit while he tests things.
[20:12] <ubuntujenkins> ok dutchie if you get bored all thoughts are welcome
[20:12] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: do you have a link to look over?
[20:12] <ubuntujenkins> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/5012868/quickshot-ui.odp
[20:26]  * ubuntujenkins is bored rally should revise
[20:27] <ubuntujenkins> *really
[20:27]  * ubuntujenkins always misses a letter out some where
[20:42] <ChrisWoollard> dutchie: That EtherPad looks really cool.
[20:42] <dutchie> nowt to do with me
[20:42] <dutchie> blame Daviey
[20:43] <popey> #blamedaviey
[20:43] <daker> ubuntujenkins, look at this http://itaka.jardinpresente.com.ar/
[20:45] <popey> ubuntujenkins: will people be booting quickshot on real hardware or in a vm?
[20:45] <ubuntujenkins> thanks daker looking now
[20:46] <ubuntujenkins> popey: i think mostly on real hardware why?
[20:46] <popey> if its a clean install from the cd and they have _not_ installed the nvidia driver then you can use xrandr to resize the screen
[20:48] <ubuntujenkins> I know but people like me have the testing disto ages before its release. Also we aim to allow for other projects in the next release who may not need to do it on the latest release.
[20:48] <ubuntujenkins> thanks for the thought popey :-)
[20:51] <ubuntujenkins> daker: I can't find any proof its still going
[20:51] <daker> what ?
[20:52] <ubuntujenkins> http://itaka.jardinpresente.com.ar/
[20:52] <ubuntujenkins> the link you gave me
[20:52] <ubuntujenkins> looks cool though
[20:52] <daker> it provide the server and the client in the same app
[20:54] <ubuntujenkins> I am reading about it
[21:03] <godbyk> Well, hopefully that'll fix my Internet woes.  We replaced a couple splitters (that didn't need to be splitters).
[21:03] <ubuntujenkins> didn't they do that last time?
[21:04] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: <sigh> yeah.  but there were a couple that they missed.  (the previous techs didn't look in the attic.)
[21:04] <godbyk> This guy actually tested the signal along the way instead of blindly crimping on new connectors.
[21:04] <godbyk> We'll see if it holds up, though.
[21:04] <ubuntujenkins> well lets hope that does it.
[21:23] <daker> godbyk, ping
[21:23] <godbyk> daker: pong
[21:24] <daker> ubuntu-manual.org should point lp:ubuntu-manual-website
[21:25] <daker> what do you think ?
[21:26] <godbyk> Ooh.. are we ready?
[21:26] <daker> i think
[21:27] <godbyk> lp:ubuntu-manual-website is what test.ubuntu-manual.org points to currently, right?
[21:27] <daker> yes
[21:27] <daker> let it to another day :)
[21:28] <daker> don't change anything oki ?
[21:28] <godbyk> okay
[21:28] <daker> brb
[21:29] <godbyk> how is the download counter script coming along?
[21:29] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: with the release candidate, what branch was it built from? The images are not the same as the ones that are in lucid-e1 I put them in a while ago
[21:29] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: yeah, I know. that's my bad.
[21:30] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I branched from lucid-e1 a while back so I could move strings around and fiddle with some detailed latex stuff without pestering the translators.
[21:30] <ubuntujenkins> no problem i thought i had put them in the wrong place.
[21:30] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I just merged in a lot of the .tex file changes manually, but forgot about the screenshots.
[21:30] <godbyk> I'm going to do some more editing on it and pull in the screenshots and whatnot.
[21:31] <ubuntujenkins> Thats fine. have you had time to switch the quickshot server?
[21:31] <godbyk> then I'll email a copy of it to everyone for one final check before we publish the final version and book.
[21:31] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I wasn't sure if you were ready. One of your comments made me think I was to hold off.
[21:32] <ubuntujenkins> It is ready, let me find the branch
[21:32] <godbyk> 'kay.
[21:32] <godbyk> yeah, just tell me what to point to and I'll set it up for ya.
[21:32] <dutchie> ooh, rev 800
[21:32] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/800 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 800
[21:32] <dutchie> how exciting
[21:32] <godbyk> :)
[21:33] <ubuntujenkins> lp:quickshot/release and in the folder called 0.0.8 is the same stuff as the current branch
[21:33] <godbyk> dutchie: One of the Romanian translators just yelled at me:
[21:33] <godbyk> "I am writing to ask what have you done to the Romanian translation of the manual. The last time I worked on it we had almost 10% of it translated and now I see that most of the translations I made or approved are set to be approved again. There are only 8 days left and now someone has to start over."
[21:33] <godbyk> dutchie: Can you help me see if I did something stupid or what's up?
[21:34] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: can you set the bot to do quickshot revsions as well please maybe with qr100 or something
[21:34] <dutchie> hmm
[21:34] <ubuntujenkins> please
[21:35] <ubuntujenkins> I could have a go but i don't know where to find the bot to update
[21:35] <ubuntujenkins> or how to do it
[21:35] <dutchie> you'd need bot access
[21:35] <dutchie> which I have forgotten how to do
[21:36] <dutchie> I'll sort this ro thing out first thoug
[21:36] <dutchie> h
[21:36] <ubuntujenkins> sure
[21:36] <dutchie> godbyk: do you know which revision this was?
[21:37] <godbyk> dutchie: He just emailed me an hour ago.
[21:38] <dutchie> hmm, probably rev 797 then
[21:38] <manualbot> http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/revision/797 | http://bazaar.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual -r 797
[21:38] <godbyk> If you look at the Romanian translation, it lists my name as the last person to edit the translation (on 2010-04-12).
[21:38] <godbyk> I imagine that's why he's harping at me.
[21:38] <godbyk> (Though I don't recall actually editing the Romanian translation, per se.)
[21:38] <dutchie> is lp down for anyone else?
[21:39] <godbyk> dutchie: just worked for me: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1/+lang/ro
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> the bzr link doesn't work
[21:39] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: that's what I meant
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> the one the bot gave
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> the rest works
[21:39] <ubuntujenkins> !enter | ubuntujenkins
[21:39] <manualbot> ubuntujenkins, please see my private message
[21:41] <godbyk> oh, you're right.. the bzr link there doesn't work
[21:47]  * dutchie wishes lp would go faster
[22:06] <godbyk> I have to go shopping for groceries and whatnot.  I'll be back in a couple hours, probably.
[22:06] <ubuntujenkins> see ya
[22:06] <godbyk> dutchie: if you figured out what (if anything) I've done to the (Romanian) translations and how I can fix it, let me know.
[22:10] <c7p> hello
[22:10] <ubuntujenkins> hello c7p, how are you
[22:12] <c7p> fine ;) i'm looking forward to the final release of the manual and the translated one
[22:13] <ubuntujenkins> that will be exciting, what language are you working on
[22:13] <dutchie> these diffs are really quite inflated by po4a and lp fighting over po file format
[22:14] <c7p> ubuntujenkins: greek
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> how is it going c7p ?
[22:15] <c7p> well it's around 70% completed
[22:15] <ubuntujenkins> nice :-) and not many screenshots to go.
[22:16] <c7p> i will take them tomorrow if i remember to :p
[22:17] <ubuntujenkins> hehe  I will aprove them as soon as i see them
[22:18] <c7p> ok :D
[22:19] <dutchie> godbyk: I can see no reason that the translations have disappeared. Nothing seems to have been deleted from the po file, but there is a huge diff due to LP and po4a disagreeing on how to format po files
[22:19] <dutchie> I cannot believe I used to merge these files manually
[22:22] <dutchie> godbyk: afaict, nothing was deleted between 796 and 797
[22:23] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: what do other projects do for translations? ie non launchpad ones
[22:23] <dutchie> have people use traditional po editors like emacs' po-mode
[22:24] <dutchie> I think if we move away from LP, we move away from gettext
[22:24] <ubuntujenkins> but that means that, muliple people can't work on it at the same time.
[22:24] <ubuntujenkins> what is gettext I get cnfused
[22:24] <dutchie> that's the main advantage of LP/rosetta
[22:25] <dutchie> gettext is the program originally written to translate software applications that we've hijacked to translate the manual
[22:25] <ubuntujenkins> I see.
[22:26] <c7p> i think we should keep translation process as simple as possible and of course online
[22:26] <ubuntujenkins> copy and paste the po in etherpad?
[22:26] <dutchie> heh
[22:26] <dutchie> I'm too tired to make sensible suggestions
[22:27] <ubuntujenkins> hehe silly ones are sometimes the best
[22:27]  * dutchie is very close to writing a script to check for deleted translations
[22:29] <dutchie> right, it's going on the todo list
[22:29] <ubuntujenkins> do it, the translators would be pleased with any help in improving it
[22:29] <dutchie> I will definitely do it at some point
[22:30] <ubuntujenkins> \o/
[22:30] <dutchie> but not now
[22:34] <c7p> ubuntujenkins, the sentence "You can talk to people nearby by entering you information." is right? or the second 'you' should be 'your' ?
[22:34] <dutchie> g22
[22:35] <ubuntujenkins> c7p: it should be your please file a bug
[22:39] <c7p> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/568098
[22:39] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 568098 in ubuntu-manual "wrong word on string 836 " [Undecided,New]
[22:40] <ubuntujenkins> thanks c7p
[22:40] <c7p> no problem , part of my job :)
[23:13]  * ubuntujenkins heads to bed