| michazoet | \o/ | 00:00 |
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| _Lux | Good Morning czajkowski | 00:00 |
| juliux | The assocation is the supporting institute for the German Ubuntu Communities. Since 2006 we are doing a lot of conference appearances and release parties. Starting 2007 we have our yearly Ubuntu conference called Ubucon | 00:00 |
| juliux | At the moment we are busy to improve the integration of all parts of the team especially to integrate the Ubuntu developer. But this is a long time goal;) | 00:00 |
| juliux | And sorry for the late wiki pages changes. | 00:00 |
| czajkowski | I think juliux is rather prepared :( | 00:00 |
| czajkowski | :) | 00:00 |
| juliux | ;) | 00:00 |
| juliux | czajkowski: ;) | 00:00 |
| * _Lux and Julius prepared the text ;-) | 00:00 | |
| paultag | juliux, it's OK, I'm actually on the -de mailing list, so it's no problem :) | 00:00 |
| czajkowski | so tell us how you organise folks into doing things | 00:00 |
| juliux | btw i think that was the fast reapproval ever;) only one week preparation | 00:00 |
| juliux | paultag: cool | 00:00 |
| _Lux | czajkowski: What exactly do you want to know? | 00:01 |
| _Lux | Unfortunately we are a very splitted team, working on different aspects of Communiy | 00:01 |
| _Lux | One of our main tasks is to integrate all back into one big team | 00:02 |
| czajkowski | yes how do you orgnise that | 00:02 |
| juliux | in the past we used mailinglists for that and face to face discussions | 00:02 |
| _Lux | We have a central mailing list for LoCo-Activities which we use to coordinate | 00:02 |
| _Lux | Last week we started an IRC round table | 00:02 |
| v4vortex | yes, and it was a good start! | 00:03 |
| Jiraiya | indeed | 00:03 |
| itnet7 | _Lux: How many people attend your Ubucon's? | 00:03 |
| _Lux | itnet7: 150-200 (correct juliux?) | 00:04 |
| itnet7 | Very nice turnouts! | 00:04 |
| _Lux | itnet7: They are coming from all over Germany and Switzerland and Austria | 00:04 |
| huats | and may be France next time :) | 00:04 |
| _Lux | We are in Germany not so big in size but big in terms of people | 00:05 |
| paultag | juliux, _Lux, how have the translation efforts from within the LoCo been going for German? | 00:05 |
| czajkowski | yes I've seen your jams they are rather impressive | 00:05 |
| juliux | itnet7: in 2008 we had 200 in 2009 300 | 00:05 |
| itnet7 | That is really great! | 00:05 |
| juliux | paultag: the translation team is more working for upstream translations | 00:06 |
| czajkowski | Have you faced any issues?? | 00:06 |
| juliux | paultag: most of them are translation for gnome and kde | 00:06 |
| juliux | czajkowski: yes;) splitting a locoteam into to parts kubuntu and ubuntu | 00:06 |
| paultag | juliux, Outstanding. I caught a glimpse of that about a year ago when I had a small change for Evolution :) | 00:06 |
| \Lux | paultag: We have a very active translation team whcih has an onw forum in our officical forum | 00:06 |
| paultag | \Lux, would you mind posting those links? | 00:06 |
| czajkowski | juliux: how did ye go about solving that issue ? | 00:07 |
| \Lux | mompls | 00:07 |
| juliux | czajkowski: but that happens allreay in 2005/2006 | 00:07 |
| juliux | czajkowski: the solutions that we have to locoteams so we are only covering *buntu but not kubutnu | 00:07 |
| \Lux | paultag: Here it is: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/forum/lokalisierung/ | 00:07 |
| paultag | thank you \Lux :) | 00:07 |
| juliux | czajkowski: they are doing there own thing but there are some contact points at fairs or at the ubucon | 00:07 |
| czajkowski | ok | 00:07 |
| \Lux | paultag: welcome | 00:07 |
| czajkowski | sound sgood | 00:07 |
| czajkowski | are there any other comments you'd like to make to the council | 00:08 |
| juliux | paultag: the cfp is still open;) | 00:08 |
| czajkowski | itnet7: leogg huats paultag any other comments | 00:08 |
| huats | juliux, please correct the team contact, since it was still smurf on the wiki page (may be you have already changed that) | 00:08 |
| paultag | I'm all set, thank you czajkowski :) | 00:08 |
| juliux | huats: _Lux and i will take that over | 00:08 |
| paultag | juliux, my German is that of a three year old ;) | 00:08 |
| huats | otherwise please continue that way ! | 00:08 |
| itnet7 | Not really, I am very impressed with their team! | 00:08 |
| paultag | juliux, but I'd love to watch :) | 00:08 |
| \Lux | paultag: like my English | 00:08 |
| paultag | \Lux, :) | 00:09 |
| czajkowski | [vote] Please vote on the German LoCo Re approval | 00:09 |
| MootBot | Please vote on: Please vote on the German LoCo Re approval. | 00:09 |
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| paultag | +1 | 00:09 |
| MootBot | +1 received from paultag. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 | 00:09 |
| itnet7 | +1 | 00:09 |
| MootBot | +1 received from itnet7. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 | 00:09 |
| leogg | +1 | 00:09 |
| MootBot | +1 received from leogg. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 | 00:09 |
| czajkowski | +1 | 00:09 |
| MootBot | +1 received from czajkowski. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 | 00:09 |
| MootBot | Private +1 vote received. 5 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 | 00:09 |
| czajkowski | [endvote] | 00:09 |
| MootBot | Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 | 00:09 |
| czajkowski | whoooo | 00:09 |
| itnet7 | Very cool!!! | 00:09 |
| paultag | Really outstanding work \Lux, juliux. Keep up the great work | 00:09 |
| czajkowski | very nice | 00:09 |
| czajkowski | well done | 00:09 |
| juliux | \o/ | 00:09 |
| juliux | thank you very much | 00:09 |
| huats | congrats german team ! | 00:09 |
| \Lux | thanks a lot \o/ | 00:09 |
| itnet7 | \o/ juliux and team! | 00:09 |
| czajkowski | 9 LoCo teams re approved and 2 new teams approved tonight! | 00:09 |
| Jiraiya | thank you guys :) | 00:09 |
| juliux | sleep well! | 00:10 |
| v4vortex | yes, thanks a lot | 00:10 |
| czajkowski | [endmeeting] | 00:10 |
| czajkowski | #endmeeting | 00:10 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 18:10. | 00:10 |
| czajkowski | grrrrrr | 00:10 |
| czajkowski | bot! | 00:10 |
| v4vortex | yeah, and sleep well (its 01am here) | 00:10 |
| v4vortex | :) | 00:10 |
| leogg | thanks everybody | 00:10 |
| juliux | cu | 00:10 |
| Jiraiya | and have a good night, all of you | 00:10 |
| czajkowski | nn folks | 00:10 |
| \Lux | Good night, I have to get up at 5:00 hrs | 00:10 |
| paultag | Thanks everyone, good night / morning :) | 00:10 |
| paultag | \Lux, Gute nacht, schlaft gut ;) | 00:11 |
| \Lux | paultag: you too :-)) | 00:11 |
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| zul | gday | 14:57 |
| mjeanson | hi | 14:57 |
| kirkland | [o] | 14:58 |
| ttx | ]o[ | 14:58 |
| mathiaz | \u\ | 14:59 |
| Daviey | \o | 14:59 |
| jmdault | o/ | 14:59 |
| jjohansen | o] | 15:00 |
| ttx | ok, let's get started ! | 15:00 |
| ttx | #startmeeting | 15:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is ttx. | 15:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 15:00 |
| RoAkSoAx | o/ | 15:00 |
| ttx | Welcome to the Ubuntu Server team meeting ! | 15:00 |
| zul | wheee | 15:00 |
| ttx | Agenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting | 15:00 |
| ttx | Scribe is: zul ! | 15:00 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 15:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting | 15:01 |
| ttx | * mathiaz to fix the "server fixed bugs" broken script | 15:01 |
| smoser | \o | 15:01 |
| mathiaz | ttx: still on my TODO | 15:01 |
| ttx | ttx to follow up with ivoks/RoaKSoax on cluster stack state : DONE | 15:02 |
| ttx | * mathiaz to propose removal of dovecot-postfix on MLs | 15:02 |
| mathiaz | ttx: that has been done | 15:02 |
| mathiaz | ScottK: ^^ | 15:02 |
| zul | and the fix has been uploaded | 15:02 |
| mathiaz | zul: great thanks | 15:02 |
| ttx | mathiaz: without a strong consensus, I see | 15:02 |
| mathiaz | ttx: about the fix or the removal? | 15:03 |
| mathiaz | ttx: I'm fine with the fix | 15:03 |
| ttx | abouit the removal :) | 15:03 |
| mathiaz | ttx: as long as the use of dovecot-postfix.conf has been discarded | 15:03 |
| ttx | mathiaz: does that prove the need for a UDS session on taht subject, to set expectations for the Maverick cycle ? | 15:03 |
| mathiaz | ttx: not specifically | 15:04 |
| mathiaz | ttx: there may be a more generic what to do with the mail server though | 15:04 |
| ttx | mathiaz: yes | 15:04 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Lucid release status | 15:04 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Lucid release status | 15:04 |
| ttx | So the RC is in the oven, should be released tomorrow | 15:04 |
| ttx | Today's focus is on ISO testing coverage | 15:05 |
| ttx | We don't expect a server ISO/images respin, so please test the heck out of them | 15:05 |
| * kirkland is on it | 15:05 | |
| ttx | Don't forget to register your test results... and mark the tests you started as "started" for coordination | 15:06 |
| ttx | On the remaining RC bugs side... I assigned most of them to the team, at the very least you should look into them and comment whether they can and should be fixed by release day, or as a post-release SRU | 15:06 |
| ttx | the watch list is updated at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus | 15:07 |
| ttx | that's the team main focus for after-RC | 15:07 |
| ttx | Finally, you have some remaining work items in specs | 15:08 |
| ttx | See http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-ubuntu-10.04.html | 15:08 |
| ttx | Most of them are about UEC testing/validation so we should be ok, but don't forget those :) | 15:08 |
| * hggdh kicks evolution and its 1G resident memory | 15:08 | |
| ttx | Questions on release management, priorities for the next week, etc. ? | 15:09 |
| zul | nyet | 15:09 |
| hggdh | pas | 15:10 |
| ttx | About post-RC fix vs. early SRU: it's mostly the release team decision based on the impact of the proposed patch vs. how impacting is the bug. | 15:10 |
| ttx | but you should be able to make an educated guess :) | 15:10 |
| ttx | ok, moving on to: | 15:10 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 15:10 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) | 15:10 |
| ttx | hggdh: how is it going in QA land ? | 15:11 |
| hggdh | life is not as good as I expected ;-) | 15:11 |
| kirkland | ttx: hggdh has been doing a heck of a job testing UEC | 15:11 |
| kirkland | ttx: shaking out some hard issue | 15:11 |
| hggdh | we are still going along, though. All of you have been extremely helpful on my bugs | 15:11 |
| hggdh | er. not *mine*, I mean | 15:12 |
| ttx | yes, we still have a stream of issues in UEC stresstesting and cloud images boot | 15:12 |
| hggdh | yes. Right now it seems the more we poke, the more bugs fall | 15:12 |
| ttx | kirkland, smoser: I kept you out of the other server bugs so that you can concentrate on those | 15:12 |
| kirkland | hggdh: that's our job ;-) | 15:13 |
| ttx | hggdh: you seem to have the Gift ! | 15:13 |
| hggdh | mathiaz scripts have helped a lot, BTW | 15:13 |
| kirkland | ttx: thanks, much appreciated, we're actively working those | 15:13 |
| hggdh | ttx: right now, this is pretty much what I can tell you... sorry | 15:14 |
| ttx | hggdh: the regression build rig seems to have triggered a few recent messages | 15:14 |
| ttx | hggdh: do you plan to have a maverick spec to cover what we should do now with this ? | 15:14 |
| hggdh | hum. I have not looked at my emails today, but I do not remember any from yesterday (except atlas, but this is not aq worry) | 15:14 |
| ttx | hggdh: they were from this morning. | 15:15 |
| hggdh | ttx: you mean the regression rig? Yes, I do have some ideas. We should keep it, and expand it | 15:15 |
| ttx | hggdh: planning a UDS session / blueprint on the subject ? | 15:15 |
| kirkland | hggdh: ttx: i suggest some "barriers", that would allow a topo to deploy with one button | 15:16 |
| kirkland | hggdh: ttx: rather than triggering each system individually | 15:16 |
| hggdh | I am going to put it in the QA pool of ideas, and someone will decide on it | 15:16 |
| kirkland | hggdh: ttx: possibly as simple as an early command that sleeps/waits until its dependendent systems are installed | 15:16 |
| ttx | kirkland: I was talking about the build regression rig, the thing that rebuilds a set of package daily | 15:17 |
| hggdh | kirkland: yeah, something like that. I would also like to have at least one more rig | 15:17 |
| ttx | and mails out tons of errors :) | 15:17 |
| ttx | ah, plenty of interesting discussions coming up in Brussels.. volcano smoke allowing. | 15:17 |
| hggdh | heh | 15:18 |
| ttx | Other questions for QA team ? | 15:18 |
| hggdh | everybody says smoke is bad to our health | 15:18 |
| hggdh | no, we are good | 15:18 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) | 15:19 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) | 15:19 |
| ttx | hggdh: thanks ! | 15:19 |
| ttx | jjohansen: o/ | 15:19 |
| hggdh | ttx: just an aside -- we should talk, when possible, on the autonmated server tests | 15:19 |
| jjohansen | hey | 15:19 |
| jjohansen | so not much has changed on the kernel side since last week | 15:19 |
| ttx | jjohansen: which is good :) | 15:20 |
| smoser | no issues found in ec2 testing related to kernel | 15:20 |
| jjohansen | a little more debug info shaken out, and a couple more bugs showing up | 15:20 |
| smoser | other than possibly bug 567334 | 15:20 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 567334 in linux "blocked tasks delay cloud-init for 240 seconds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567334 | 15:20 |
| jjohansen | right | 15:21 |
| ttx | I don'ty have any new burning issue myself... but it's sometimes difficult to be aware of existing kernel bugs affecting server | 15:21 |
| smoser | jjohansen, i wonder if you've proposed a blueprint or some mechanism to get official time to trial paravirt-ops kernels on ec2 | 15:21 |
| jjohansen | smoser: not yet | 15:22 |
| jjohansen | it will come I still need to poke that beast a little bit this week | 15:22 |
| smoser | i know how difficult or unlikely getting that to work is, but *I* would really like it, and I know it'd make your job much easier if you didn't have thousands of lines of patches | 15:22 |
| jjohansen | hehe, well that is motivation to get it working :) | 15:23 |
| zul | what no more hulking patch? | 15:23 |
| ttx | ok, any other questions/concerns to transmit to the kernel team ? | 15:24 |
| kirkland | jjohansen: no progress on that oops? | 15:24 |
| kirkland | jjohansen: that we're seeing in some UEC guests? | 15:24 |
| kirkland | jjohansen: seems to be only on certain hardware | 15:25 |
| jjohansen | kirkland: no :( | 15:25 |
| kirkland | jjohansen: alrighty, thanks | 15:25 |
| kirkland | jjohansen: i suspect this will need an SRU eventually | 15:25 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) | 15:25 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) | 15:25 |
| jjohansen | though that isn't the only bug we have seen that is hardware specifi | 15:25 |
| kirkland | jjohansen: right | 15:25 |
| ttx | mathiaz: o/ | 15:25 |
| mathiaz | a few bugs from karmic: | 15:26 |
| mathiaz | bug 156636 | 15:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 156636 in openssh "Please package openssh with LPK patch" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156636 | 15:26 |
| mathiaz | bug 494141 | 15:26 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 494141 in samba "CUPS starts after SAMBA; printers are not available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494141 | 15:26 |
| mathiaz | Both should be decline IMO | 15:27 |
| ttx | not fixed in dev release | 15:27 |
| ttx | so not candidates for SRU | 15:27 |
| mathiaz | that's all as far as I can say | 15:28 |
| mathiaz | given that the bugs-fixed-lately script is broken | 15:28 |
| ttx | ok, that was fast ! | 15:28 |
| mathiaz | anything worth fixing in SRU from last week? | 15:29 |
| * kirkland wagers that the SRU portion of this meeting is about to get a lot more interesting in about ~2 weeks :-) | 15:29 | |
| mathiaz | kirkland: right | 15:29 |
| mathiaz | kirkland: I'll add the lucid nominations list once lucid is released | 15:29 |
| * ttx wagers that there should be an interesting discussion about SRU handling at UDS in ~3 weeks :-) | 15:29 | |
| kirkland | ttx: oh? changes on the way? | 15:29 |
| RoAkSoAx | /join #ubuntu-ha | 15:29 |
| mathiaz | which means that the first (few?) meetings may see more SRU activity | 15:29 |
| ttx | kirkland: well, we should at least discuss if our current process fits the bill for Lucid | 15:30 |
| kirkland | ttx: ah | 15:30 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: i think so ... there's a number of things we'll want to fix for Lucid that didn't make release | 15:30 |
| kirkland | mathiaz: and probably a number of new issues that come up as people upgrade | 15:30 |
| ttx | i'm not sure it gives us the tracking information we'll need, so far | 15:31 |
| mathiaz | Are then any plans to put dedicated ressource on lucid SRU? | 15:31 |
| mathiaz | the same way as we did for Hardy? | 15:31 |
| ttx | that's a good question and I don't know the answer. | 15:31 |
| ttx | [ACTION] ttx to confirm with jib lucid SRU resource allocation | 15:32 |
| MootBot | ACTION received: ttx to confirm with jib lucid SRU resource allocation | 15:32 |
| zul | i think we should because most users probably wont upgrade until .1 | 15:32 |
| zul | imho | 15:32 |
| ttx | mathiaz: could you explain what happened in hardy, for reference ? | 15:32 |
| mathiaz | ttx: IIRC some of the desktop team members spent time on hardy SRUs. | 15:33 |
| mathiaz | ttx: until enf of June IIRC | 15:33 |
| mathiaz | ttx: ask pitti or seb128 | 15:33 |
| ttx | zul: yes, we need a way to track and coordinate the amount of work we'll all do in that area... and possibly someone dedicated to tracking it | 15:33 |
| zul | ttx: I wa working on SRU for the hardy point release | 15:33 |
| kirkland | ttx: yeah, zul worked on hardy.1, and i worked on hardy.2 | 15:33 |
| ttx | noted, thanks ! | 15:34 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Maverick call for blueprints | 15:34 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Maverick call for blueprints | 15:34 |
| ttx | So UDS is nearing and volcano smoke seems to clear out | 15:34 |
| zul | volcano smoke is overblown | 15:35 |
| ttx | If you want to suggest a UDS session topic, feel free to file an Ubuntu blueprint ! | 15:35 |
| ttx | name is server-maverick-* | 15:35 |
| ttx | and approver must be set to "Jos Boumans" | 15:35 |
| ttx | at tha point only one was filed: | 15:35 |
| ttx | https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-wbemcim-providers | 15:35 |
| ttx | I also set up a page to braindump and track the propsoed sessions: | 15:36 |
| ttx | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickIdeaPool | 15:36 |
| ttx | I'll add a lot more sessions from the team internal braindump in the next hours/days | 15:36 |
| ttx | so no need for the Canonical server team to spend time on editing that page | 15:37 |
| ttx | but everyone else is more than welcome to do so ! | 15:37 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Open Discussion | 15:38 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Open Discussion | 15:38 |
| ttx | anything/anyone ? | 15:38 |
| padhu | What about lucid? | 15:39 |
| ttx | padhu: what what about lucid ? | 15:39 |
| ttx | padhu: it goes out next week | 15:39 |
| ttx | hopefully :) | 15:40 |
| padhu | In time? | 15:40 |
| ttx | team: is sleeping getting any better ? | 15:40 |
| ttx | padhu: at this point, yes... | 15:40 |
| mathiaz | ttx: still on track | 15:40 |
| ttx | padhu: but being late is, by essence, unpredictable. | 15:41 |
| padhu | Happy to hear it. I am waiting eagerly | 15:41 |
| ttx | padhu: I'd advise you to downlaod and test the RC which goes out tomorrow ! That will make the release all the more enjoyable to you. | 15:41 |
| ttx | the sooner we know wbout bugs, the sooner we can fix them. | 15:42 |
| zul | ttx:yep | 15:42 |
| ttx | ... and by definition, no significant change is expected between RC and final. | 15:42 |
| padhu | oh | 15:42 |
| padhu | i will try | 15:43 |
| ttx | [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time | 15:43 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time | 15:43 |
| ttx | Same place, same time, next week, in the middle of the release frenzy | 15:43 |
| ttx | i'll be in London next week, hopefully I'll be able to spend time on the meeting | 15:43 |
| ttx | Thanks everyone ! | 15:44 |
| ttx | #endmeeting | 15:44 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 09:44. | 15:44 |
| padhu | Bye.... | 15:47 |
| barry | hi everybody! meeting time... | 16:00 |
| barry | #startmeeting | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is barry. | 16:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 16:00 |
| barry | [TOPIC] agenda | 16:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: agenda | 16:00 |
| barry | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0421 | 16:00 |
| barry | [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0421 | 16:00 |
| MootBot | LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0421 | 16:01 |
| ev | hello | 16:01 |
| james_w | hi | 16:01 |
| padhu | Hi | 16:01 |
| mvo | hi | 16:01 |
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| cjwatson | hi | 16:02 |
| doko_ | hi | 16:02 |
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| barry | [AGENDA] | 16:02 |
| barry | [TOPIC] agenda | 16:02 |
| MootBot | New Topic: agenda | 16:02 |
| barry | lool, cjwatson, slangasek, ev, doko, james_w, Keybuk, barry, mvo, tremolux | 16:03 |
| barry | paste fail | 16:03 |
| mvo | tremolux is on vacation | 16:03 |
| barry | [TOPIC] lightning round | 16:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: lightning round | 16:03 |
| barry | order: cjwatson, slangasek, ev, doko, james_w, Keybuk, barry, mvo | 16:03 |
| cjwatson | done: various last-minute installer bug fixes (esp. 543838, 546964, 558382, 566965); branding fixes per design team; generally trying to keep on top of late-breaking bugs | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | todo: head-scratching over part of bug 567345, which is looking like a busybox shell bug | 16:04 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 567345 in grub2 "partman and grub2 fail in server amd64 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567345 | 16:04 |
| cjwatson | -- | 16:04 |
| slangasek | done: some spit'n'polish on plymouth and mountall; todo: fix the last few big ugly bugs in plymouth for release; and oh yeah, that RC thing is this week | 16:06 |
| slangasek | -- | 16:06 |
| ev | in progress: Trying to figure out why wubi is setting automatic-ubiquity on the kernel command line for the cd boot helper option. Trying to get to the bottom of some broken migration-assistant and debconf interaction that's in turn breaking hw-detect (bug 234835, bug 536673). CD testing && bug fixing. | 16:06 |
| ev | todo: Get to the bottom of bug 567243. Figure out why ubiquity is still cutting off text for some users/languages (bug 560114). Fix usb-creator breaking on non-FAT partitions (bug 566390). | 16:06 |
| ev | blocked: Need a release team review on bug 566552. | 16:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 234835 in ubiquity "migration-assistant: error: /dev/disk/by-label//home does not exist." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234835 | 16:06 |
| ev | -- | 16:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 536673 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with InstallStepError in configure_hardware()" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/536673 | 16:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 567243 in ubiquity "error during OEM setup in French" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567243 | 16:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 560114 in ubiquity "Truncated text in Ubiquity after selecting Hebrew" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560114 | 16:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 566390 in usb-creator "USBCreatorProcessException FAT vs any other format" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566390 | 16:06 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 566552 in user-setup "Installing over ecryptfs-enabled system causes remove_extras to fail." [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566552 | 16:06 |
| doko | done: | 16:07 |
| doko | * openjdk-6 1.8 release, lucid upload | 16:07 |
| doko | * more sun-java6 updates (twice, first with the wrong debian sources) | 16:07 |
| doko | * eglibc memcpy/strcmp fixes, rebuilds | 16:07 |
| doko | * maverick toolchain preparations | 16:07 |
| doko | * llvm regression fixes | 16:07 |
| doko | * fix some build failures | 16:07 |
| doko | todo: | 16:07 |
| doko | * file bug reports for test rebuild failures | 16:07 |
| doko | * need help with that ipv6 networking bug | 16:07 |
| doko | -- | 16:07 |
| james_w | working on a bunch of fixes and merges for both Ubuntu and bzr-builddeb etc. Will continue the same. | 16:07 |
| james_w | -- | 16:07 |
| james_w | probably a little early for the stranded Keybuk? | 16:09 |
| barry | ;) | 16:09 |
| barry | bug reporting script (from cjwatson) - blocked on lazr.restfulclient; bug | 16:09 |
| barry | 552777 (cj2.0); bug 485944 (python-virtualenv debian 1.4.5 sync); pep 3147 | 16:09 |
| barry | (landed!); python packaging/udd testing | 16:09 |
| barry | -- | 16:09 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 485944 in python-virtualenv "[FFe] Upgrade to virtualenv 1.4.5" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485944 | 16:09 |
| barry | 16:09 | |
| cjwatson | pep 3147 landed> great! | 16:09 |
| james_w | woo! | 16:10 |
| slangasek | james_w: I have no sympathy for him :) | 16:10 |
| mvo | fixes in software-center for final release, fixes in update-manager, debugging upgrade issues, Support-timeframe: prepare final merge into LP production BLOCKED on exact seed definition that we support for 3y, currently working on OOo pre-depends hell | 16:10 |
| mvo | -- | 16:10 |
| barry | \o/ | 16:10 |
| james_w | slangasek: you're stranded in a different way :-) | 16:10 |
| barry | [TOPIC] * Outstanding actions from last meeting | 16:11 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Outstanding actions from last meeting | 16:11 |
| barry | none that i'm aware of | 16:11 |
| james_w | barry: lazr.restfulclient> we need an upgrade in the distro for that? | 16:11 |
| barry | james_w: we do | 16:11 |
| barry | james_w: i don't have the bug in front of me, but it's a problem with path name lengths | 16:11 |
| barry | in the cache | 16:11 |
| james_w | yeah, I remember | 16:12 |
| barry | james_w: i was going to work on that today | 16:12 |
| barry | [TOPIC] * Outstanding feature freeze exceptions | 16:12 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Outstanding feature freeze exceptions | 16:12 |
| barry | slangasek: anything to say about this one? | 16:13 |
| james_w | barry: it's in Debian fwiw | 16:13 |
| barry | james_w: yep, i think it's a fairly simple sync | 16:13 |
| slangasek | outstanding feature freeze exceptions> remember that we'll be face-to-face in three weeks time in Belgium before you ask for a feature freeze exception the week of RC :) | 16:13 |
| james_w | so we should ask for them in three weeks? | 16:14 |
| slangasek | yes, that's fine | 16:14 |
| barry | volcanos permitting of course :) | 16:14 |
| cjwatson | French trains permitting in my case I think | 16:15 |
| cjwatson | (hey, let's take out all the plausible modes of travel at once!) | 16:15 |
| barry | :) | 16:15 |
| barry | [TOPIC] * Farming out tasks that aren't being handled | 16:15 |
| MootBot | New Topic: * Farming out tasks that aren't being handled | 16:15 |
| barry | milestoned bugs: | 16:15 |
| barry | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21447 | 16:15 |
| barry | targetted bugs: | 16:16 |
| barry | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bug | 16:16 |
| slangasek | if anyone is blocked on the release team for feedback regarding critical fixes (ev, just followed up to the bug you mentioned above), please ping directly; I can't guarantee that the bug queue will get flushed in time | 16:16 |
| slangasek | mvo: bug #522225 - defer, since you have your hands full with OOo? | 16:16 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 522225 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 "permissions incorrect on libmysqlclient16_7.0.9-1_amd64.deb" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522225 | 16:16 |
| mvo | slangasek: sorry, yes | 16:16 |
| ev | slangasek: already replied to your reply :) | 16:16 |
| mvo | slangasek: OOo and LP maintenance time | 16:16 |
| cjwatson | is that the right milestone list? I wasn't expecting 0 | 16:16 |
| ev | but noted | 16:16 |
| slangasek | no, it's not | 16:16 |
| slangasek | 21439 | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | I think it should be =21439 | 16:17 |
| doko | slangasek: I'll ping on visualvm (fix ftbfs, and installability) bug #560138 | 16:17 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 560138 in visualvm "visualvm needs an update to 1.2.2 to build with netbeans-6.8" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560138 | 16:17 |
| barry | cjwatson: ah, yes the template doesn't get updated automatically ;) | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | oh, I promised to do a last double-check of oem-config/debconf and defer | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | 530027 | 16:17 |
| cjwatson | I'll do that today | 16:18 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: thanks | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | bug 540790? | 16:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 540790 in software-center "handling of untrusted sources is suboptimal" [Medium,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/540790 | 16:18 |
| mvo | -updates | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | and bug 552560? | 16:18 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 552560 in soyuz "Please change "Origin" and "Label" in the Release file on archive.canonical.com" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/552560 | 16:18 |
| mvo | for that we need to prod LP again, I can do that | 16:18 |
| cjwatson | mvo: 540790 milestone bumped | 16:19 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:19 |
| cjwatson | I don't see anything else for our team there | 16:19 |
| slangasek | 553745... not sure that one's going to get fixed, I think Keybuk had a better handle on it than I do | 16:20 |
| slangasek | 559761 should get done, that one's well understood | 16:21 |
| barry | slangasek: do you know what's up with the mountall hangs? i'm still seeing comments on that one, but can no longer reproduce it here | 16:21 |
| slangasek | barry: "the mountall hangs" is a bit vague, do you have a bug #? | 16:21 |
| barry | ah, yeah, sec... | 16:21 |
| cjwatson | 559761 is fix committed already? | 16:22 |
| slangasek | cjwatson: it's committed in mountall, but the code it's calling in plymouth is buggy and sometimes causes deadlocks again | 16:22 |
| slangasek | reading when we should be writing, instead of writing when we should be reading like last time | 16:22 |
| cjwatson | oh, yes, I see you backed it out | 16:22 |
| barry | slangasek: it's bug 527666 which is fix committed, but still taking in lots of comments | 16:23 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 527666 in mountall "Waiting for /some/partition [SM]" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/527666 | 16:23 |
| slangasek | oh; there are some issues with mountall not getting notified properly of LVs, which is causing trouble for people | 16:24 |
| slangasek | I can't reproduce that at all here, unfortunately | 16:24 |
| slangasek | may be a race condition of some kind | 16:24 |
| barry | yep. i've been unable to reproduce it since the fix committed | 16:25 |
| barry | anything else on milestoned or triaged bugs? | 16:25 |
| slangasek | oh, bug #566308 has a useful description | 16:25 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 566308 in lvm2 "udev race with kernel causes mountall problems detecting lvm volumes" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566308 | 16:25 |
| slangasek | maybe someone found our bug | 16:26 |
| slangasek | nothing else from me | 16:26 |
| barry | slangasek: thanks | 16:27 |
| barry | [TOPIC] sponsorship queue | 16:27 |
| MootBot | New Topic: sponsorship queue | 16:27 |
| barry | http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ | 16:27 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.ubuntu.com/~dholbach/sponsoring/ | 16:27 |
| doko | cjwatson: could you build busybox with a non-multiarch enabled glibc and recheck with it? | 16:27 |
| barry | anything to say about sponsorship, or should we just move on? | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | doko: quickest way to do that? | 16:28 |
| cjwatson | sponsorship at this point would only be appropriate for RC bugs anyway | 16:28 |
| barry | [TOPIC] Any business from activity reports | 16:29 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Any business from activity reports | 16:29 |
| doko | cjwatson: rebuild using https://edge.launchpad.net/~doko/+archive/ppa. should I provide a busybox build? which arch? | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | doko: i386 if you could ... | 16:29 |
| doko | ok, will do | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | thanks | 16:29 |
| cjwatson | you think it might be due to one of these fancy SSE memcpy optimisations or something? | 16:30 |
| mvo | I think I forgot (or was too busy) to send my report, I will do that later today | 16:30 |
| doko | just want to exclude that | 16:30 |
| barry | mvo: no, it's my fault. i forgot i was chair today so only asked for them ~1h ago ;) | 16:30 |
| barry | [TOPIC] good news | 16:31 |
| MootBot | New Topic: good news | 16:31 |
| mvo | openoffice finished building on my machine | 16:31 |
| barry | so, it's official, i've joined foundations (official start is may 1, but i'm not moving back to lp) | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | doko: ok; I could also try with different kvm cpu emulations if you can suggest ones that would be useful to narrow things down | 16:31 |
| cjwatson | barry: great news | 16:32 |
| ev | barry: woo! Great to have you on the team! | 16:32 |
| oubiwann | barry: woo! welcome to platform! | 16:32 |
| barry | thanks guys! | 16:32 |
| slangasek | after the next mountall/plymouth uploads, users will be reliably notified of problems mounting filesystems at boot \o/ | 16:32 |
| slangasek | barry: congrats! | 16:32 |
| mvo | welcome barry! | 16:32 |
| james_w | welcome barry! | 16:32 |
| oubiwann | slangasek: nice... | 16:32 |
| ev | we'll find out in a little under an hour and a half who the summer of code students are. There are some foundations projects on the list. | 16:33 |
| oubiwann | ev: any idea if there's going to be an intersection of SoC projects and UDS sessions? | 16:34 |
| barry | ev: do we know if any of the gsoc's will be at uds? | 16:34 |
| james_w | I don't think there will be many SoC students at UDS | 16:34 |
| ev | oubiwann: I don't know offhand if any potential students are attending | 16:34 |
| mdeslaur | slangasek: sweet! | 16:35 |
| * doko is otp | 16:35 | |
| barry | any other good news? | 16:36 |
| slangasek | doko: bug #560138> you didn't subscribe ubuntu-release, *and* you set it confirmed yourself, so this wasn't even in the queue for review... :) does this need an FFe, or is it a bugfix release? | 16:36 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 560138 in visualvm "visualvm needs an update to 1.2.2 to build with netbeans-6.8" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560138 | 16:36 |
| barry | [TOPIC] AOB | 16:36 |
| MootBot | New Topic: AOB | 16:36 |
| ev | the volcano seems to have subsided enough to not ruin the release sprint | 16:37 |
| ev | I think | 16:37 |
| cjwatson | maaaaybe | 16:38 |
| cjwatson | assuming katla doesn't go off in which case we're all screwed | 16:38 |
| * barry books his QEII tickets | 16:38 | |
| cjwatson | amusingly I watched the "Journey to the Centre of the Earth" remake last night ... | 16:38 |
| * oubiwann laughs | 16:39 | |
| barry | if there's no other business... | 16:39 |
| barry | #endmeeting | 16:40 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 10:40. | 16:40 |
| barry | thanks everybody! | 16:40 |
| barry | oh woops, we need a chair for next week | 16:40 |
| * james_w volunteers | 16:40 | |
| barry | james_w: thanks! | 16:40 |
| doko | slangasek: well, I did confirm the uninstallability, and the ftbfs :) just got the sources today from sun. it's a bug fix release, building with netbeans 6.8. it has new version for two of its plugins | 16:41 |
| barry | have a good day everybody, maybe see you in 2.5 weeks | 16:41 |
| ev | thanks! | 16:41 |
| slangasek | thanks! | 16:41 |
| mvo | thanks | 16:41 |
| persia | Whoever owns the agenda for this meeting: would you mind updating the sponsoring URL to http://qa.ubuntu.com/reports/sponsoring/index.html ? | 16:41 |
| ev | see you next week (possibly) / at UDS (possibly) | 16:41 |
| slangasek | doko: confirm> but an FFe request is a process bug, if you set it confirmed yourself then it's not in the release team's pending queue | 16:42 |
| slangasek | doko: anyway - is this something that needs an FFe, or is it just a bugfix release? | 16:42 |
| barry | persia: will do | 16:42 |
| persia | barry: Thanks. | 16:42 |
| cjwatson | persia: I've updated the template, minus the "index.html" | 16:43 |
| barry | cjwatson: thanks | 16:43 |
| * barry saw your lock :) | 16:43 | |
| cjwatson | yeah, sorry, acquired the lock before you said | 16:43 |
| persia | I don't expect we'll change the implementation soon, but that's even more flexible :) | 16:43 |
| doko | slangasek: bug fix, it was broken by the netbeans-6.8 upload. will allow us to remove some old netbeans libs as well | 16:44 |
| slangasek | doko: if it's bugfix-only, you don't need an FFe, just upload | 16:45 |
| doko | slangasek: it's uploaded | 16:48 |
| slangasek | doko: ah, ok - grabbing now | 16:50 |
| * marjo waves | 17:59 | |
| * schwuk waves back | 17:59 | |
| * bdmurray flaps arms | 18:00 | |
| marjo | #startmeeting QA Team | 18:00 |
| MootBot | Meeting started at 12:00. The chair is marjo. | 18:00 |
| MootBot | Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] | 18:00 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Agenda | 18:00 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Agenda | 18:00 |
| marjo | # SRU testing -- sbeattie (Steve Beattie) | 18:00 |
| marjo | # Bug Day status -- pvillavi | 18:00 |
| marjo | # ISO RC testing -- ara | 18:00 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] SRU testing -- sbeattie | 18:01 |
| MootBot | New Topic: SRU testing -- sbeattie | 18:01 |
| sbeattie | Once again, a very quiet week on the SRU front. | 18:01 |
| sbeattie | SRU Activity report for the past week (since 2010-04-07): | 18:01 |
| sbeattie | * karmic: 2 new packages in -proposed (boost1.38, kpackagekit) | 18:01 |
| sbeattie | and 2 packages pushed to -updates (keepalived, postgresql-8.4) | 18:01 |
| sbeattie | * jaunty: 1 package pushed to -updates (postgresql-8.3) | 18:01 |
| sbeattie | * intrepid: no SRU activity | 18:01 |
| sbeattie | * hardy: 1 package pushed to -updates (postgresql-8.3) | 18:01 |
| sbeattie | * dapper: 1 packages pushed to -updates (postgresql-8.1) | 18:01 |
| sbeattie | Thanks to VTWoods, Wolfgang Pietsch, and Sean for testing SRUs this week. | 18:01 |
| sbeattie | That said, once lucid is released, SRUs will definitely pick up. | 18:02 |
| marjo | sbeattie: people are busy with ISO testing? | 18:02 |
| sbeattie | It sure seems that way. | 18:02 |
| marjo | thx sbeattie | 18:02 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Bug Day status -- pvillavi | 18:03 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Bug Day status -- pvillavi | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | On Thursday 15 we had a bug day based on Software Center, the Community contribution was awesome as always: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100415 | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | ~126 bugs were triaged that day, Thanks a lot to our hug days heroes: om26eer, yofel, vish, charlie-tca, jibel, hernejj, kamusin, etali and malev for their extraordinary work! | 18:03 |
| pedro_ | Tomorrow we're having a bug day for Evince: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuBugDay/20100422 | 18:04 |
| pedro_ | There's plenty of bugs to be triaged so if you have some time and want to learn a bit more about bug triage join us, we'll be glad to help you to start | 18:04 |
| pedro_ | that's all from here marjo | 18:05 |
| marjo | thx pedro_ | 18:05 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] ISO RC testing | 18:05 |
| MootBot | New Topic: ISO RC testing | 18:05 |
| marjo | the ISO testing seems to be going well | 18:05 |
| marjo | anybody can help out with http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/all/untested ? | 18:06 |
| fader_ | marjo: I should have some cycles this afternoon to pick up some more | 18:06 |
| fader_ | Got the mythbuntu tests done yesterday :) | 18:06 |
| marjo | there are a few upgrade paths still not covered, so if you have some time & equipment, please consider | 18:06 |
| Daviey | fader_: you rock! | 18:07 |
| marjo | helping out for full coverage! | 18:07 |
| marjo | fader: thx! | 18:07 |
| fader_ | :D | 18:07 |
| marjo | fader: i don't remember, can you cover amd64 | 18:07 |
| marjo | ? | 18:07 |
| fader_ | marjo: Yep | 18:07 |
| fader_ | In a VM | 18:07 |
| marjo | ok, thx; i think bladernr and ameetp can also cover amd64, right? | 18:08 |
| bladernr | marjo: aye | 18:08 |
| marjo | on real HW | 18:08 |
| ameetp | marjo: yeah | 18:08 |
| marjo | bladernr, ameetp: can you please consider | 18:08 |
| marjo | thx; would appreciate it | 18:08 |
| marjo | according to ara, the optional test cases are also getting covered nicely | 18:09 |
| marjo | thx to everyone who's helping w/ the testing; this phase is looking very good | 18:09 |
| marjo | any questions on ISO testing? | 18:09 |
| marjo | folks: any new topics for today? | 18:10 |
| davmor2 | covering m-a now but also in the middle of hell :) | 18:11 |
| marjo | davmor2: m-a? | 18:11 |
| davmor2 | Migration-Assistant | 18:12 |
| marjo | davmor2: thx! | 18:12 |
| cr3 | marjo: I've been trying to get the release team to acknoweldge whether a bug in checkbox was release critical or not, still no luck | 18:12 |
| marjo | cr3: thx for the update | 18:12 |
| cr3 | sbeattie: ^^^ do you think you could help with that? | 18:13 |
| sbeattie | cr3: which bug? | 18:13 |
| cr3 | sbeattie: see bug #567568 for my proposal which has a comment detailing the specific problems which might be release critical | 18:14 |
| ubottu | Launchpad bug 567568 in checkbox "Candidate revision checkbox_0.9.2" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567568 | 18:14 |
| cr3 | sbeattie: I'm perfectly comfortable releasing this as an SRU, but I just wanted to get acknoweldgement | 18:15 |
| sbeattie | cr3: okay, I think the issue may have been that it was against the checkbox project, and not the checkbox package in ubuntu. | 18:16 |
| bdmurray | wouldn't the release team notice the bug better if it was filed against ubuntu had was targeted to Lucid? | 18:16 |
| sbeattie | but I'm fixing that and will target it to lucid. | 18:16 |
| cr3 | sbeattie: thanks! | 18:17 |
| sbeattie | cr3: it won't make it for rc as it's on the isos and would require a respin. | 18:17 |
| marjo | cr3: i can't believe that the release team would consider this a "release critical", specially 8 days from release; SRU here we come | 18:19 |
| marjo | [TOPIC] Release Status | 18:19 |
| MootBot | New Topic: Release Status | 18:19 |
| marjo | down to the wire, the QA team work items look great | 18:20 |
| marjo | http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-platform-qa.html | 18:20 |
| MootBot | LINK received: http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-platform-qa.html | 18:20 |
| marjo | only hggdh & sbeattie have work items left until release | 18:20 |
| marjo | no pressure! | 18:20 |
| sbeattie | heh | 18:20 |
| marjo | thx to everyone for meeting all your commitments, per milestone basis, very nice work! | 18:21 |
| marjo | folks: any other topics for today? | 18:21 |
| marjo | if not, i propose we adjourn the meeting | 18:22 |
| marjo | going once | 18:22 |
| marjo | going twice | 18:22 |
| marjo | meeting adjourned | 18:22 |
| cr3 | houray! | 18:22 |
| marjo | thx everyone! keep testing! | 18:22 |
| fader_ | Thanks all | 18:22 |
| marjo | #endmeeting | 18:22 |
| pedro_ | thanks | 18:22 |
| MootBot | Meeting finished at 12:22. | 18:22 |
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| * stgraber waves | 20:00 | |
| highvoltage | howdy! | 20:01 |
| highvoltage | gobby document is on gobby.ubuntu.com | 20:01 |
| stgraber | just going to get some water, will be back in a sec | 20:01 |
| highvoltage | docname: edubuntu-maverick-brainstorming | 20:01 |
| highvoltage | we'll start that a bit later so if you still need to install gobby (or get water) you'll have time | 20:01 |
| stgraber | ;) | 20:02 |
| * stgraber looks for the old gobby clinet | 20:02 | |
| stgraber | client even | 20:02 |
| highvoltage | I'll give a technical summary on the last week so long | 20:03 |
| highvoltage | * We had to drop translations from the edubuntu-slideshow since it made the experience way too inconsistant | 20:04 |
| highvoltage | (something we'll specifically remember to add and promote for maverick) | 20:04 |
| highvoltage | * Bunch of bug fixes, mostly beating the live ltsp and ltsp installer stuff into shape, it's about ready for release with the last upload I made today | 20:05 |
| * stgraber is commenting a bit on gobby | 20:06 | |
| * Lns waves to everyone | 20:06 | |
| highvoltage | hey there Lns! | 20:06 |
| Lns | hi highvoltage =) sorry i'm late..will probably have to leave early too | 20:06 |
| highvoltage | Lns: no problem, glad you're here! | 20:07 |
| bencrisford | hullo everyone :) | 20:07 |
| Lns | hi bencrisford | 20:07 |
| highvoltage | we don't really have any big technical or community issues for this meeting, are we all ready to add the ideas to gobby? | 20:07 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: mind if i mention the blueprint i found | 20:08 |
| highvoltage | bencrisford: fire away | 20:08 |
| highvoltage | 21:01 < highvoltage> gobby document is on gobby.ubuntu.com | 20:08 |
| highvoltage | 21:01 < highvoltage> docname: edubuntu-maverick-brainstorming | 20:09 |
| highvoltage | Lns ^^^ you probably missed that | 20:09 |
| bencrisford | well in the last few meetings we've been talking about team restructuring i.e. deleting inactive/unnecessary ones, fixing needed ones and generally organising and cleaning up | 20:09 |
| Lns | highvoltage: thanks.. gobby? | 20:09 |
| bencrisford | then the other day i happened to find a blueprint on exactly this (you might have seen it) assigned to JohnEd | 20:10 |
| * bencrisford finds blueprint | 20:10 | |
| bencrisford | https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/education-launchpad-groups | 20:12 |
| bencrisford | there it is | 20:12 |
| bencrisford | 3 years old | 20:12 |
| bencrisford | but still relevent | 20:12 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: I see you joined us on gobby, have you put any thought into perhaps having a gnome-based qimo session in the future? | 20:12 |
| mhall119 | I've been thinking about it, yeah | 20:12 |
| mhall119 | I'll have to figure out all the gnome-settings, since they're different from how Xfce does it | 20:13 |
| mhall119 | but it should be possible to make a Qimo-Gnome session | 20:13 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: most of it goes into gconf, which actually makes it quite easy to change | 20:13 |
| mhall119 | that's what I thought | 20:14 |
| * stgraber just moved a few stuff around on gobby and commented on pretty much everything ;) | 20:14 | |
| highvoltage | stgraber: yeah I think things like central authentication should be done from a server team perspective | 20:15 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: and when it's ready it's just something that we include | 20:15 |
| highvoltage | (even though it's edubuntu'ish people doin it in the server team) | 20:15 |
| highvoltage | (I hope I'm making sense) | 20:16 |
| stgraber | yeah, we can probably give a hand at the server team guys to make that happen | 20:16 |
| * bencrisford is sad that no-one is interested in the blueprint he found :( | 20:16 | |
| bencrisford | j/k | 20:16 |
| bencrisford | :P | 20:16 |
| * stgraber is proudly running ldap+kerberos+gosa at home ;) | 20:16 | |
| highvoltage | I opened it in a tab, haven't looked at it yet | 20:16 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: nerd! | 20:16 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: ok ;) :) | 20:17 |
| highvoltage | (I've been wanting to do it too for years) | 20:17 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: well, "home" means over 120 VMs and 10 hosts on 2 continents, 3 countries and 5 physical sites ;) | 20:17 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: so it's kind of a necesity | 20:17 |
| highvoltage | bencrisford: yeah that blueprint should probably be added under a ==community== heading | 20:17 |
| bencrisford | ooh, in the posh gobby doc? | 20:18 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: ^? | 20:18 |
| highvoltage | yes bencrisford | 20:18 |
| stgraber | bencrisford: btw, are you going to UDS ? | 20:19 |
| highvoltage | one thing I'd really like to see is getting our script repository being used more | 20:19 |
| bencrisford | stgraber: fraid not | 20:19 |
| highvoltage | there's lots of people writing a bunch of useful scripts to simplify admin work that they might want to share but perhaps they're just not aware of a platform | 20:19 |
| highvoltage | perhaps we should have sessions where we show people how to use bzr and get their scripts up, and also document the scripts on help.ubuntu.com | 20:20 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: should I link to that blueprint though? because its still assigned to JohnEd | 20:20 |
| bencrisford | RichEd* my bad :P | 20:21 |
| highvoltage | bencrisford: I'm sure we can get an LP admin to change that for us, so yes | 20:21 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: ok, RichEd has been gone a long time then? | 20:21 |
| stgraber | bencrisford: he no longer works for Canonical | 20:21 |
| bencrisford | stgraber: ah ok | 20:21 |
| highvoltage | highvoltage: yep, for more than 2 years iirc | 20:22 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: more like a year. Barcelona was the first UDS without RichEd, last met him in Mountainview, CA | 20:22 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: wow, it really feels longer, he was very unavailable for a long time before he left, so I'm probably just thinking of that too | 20:23 |
| stgraber | yeah | 20:24 |
| highvoltage | hmm, I'm not sure why but it feels like we're missing something | 20:25 |
| highvoltage | I guess the next steps would be to make blueprints of stuff we know that we want to do and link them to these items on the wiki page | 20:26 |
| highvoltage | (busy pasting to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Edubuntu/Specifications/Brainstorming/Maverick) | 20:26 |
| highvoltage | things like Sugar and OpenLDAP/Kerberos have always been somewhat tricky | 20:27 |
| highvoltage | but we can note down any and all risks inside the specification | 20:27 |
| highvoltage | we should probably split all those items into a few sessions at UDS, the LTSP and authentication items would fall under the server track | 20:28 |
| highvoltage | you guys are a bit more quiet than usual tonight :) | 20:29 |
| * highvoltage ads the actions I just mentioned to the doc | 20:30 | |
| stgraber | that's because we are half on irc half on gobby ;) | 20:30 |
| highvoltage | heh, ok :) | 20:30 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: did you get that link from akgraner with the interview questions? | 20:31 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: nope | 20:31 |
| * stgraber checks | 20:31 | |
| stgraber | nope | 20:31 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: ok I'll ping you with it after the meeting | 20:31 |
| stgraber | ok | 20:32 |
| bencrisford | what interview's that then? :) | 20:32 |
| highvoltage | I copied the gobby doc contents to the wikipage | 20:32 |
| highvoltage | (more like, moved it to avoid conflicts) | 20:32 |
| highvoltage | bencrisford: akgraner is doing an interview with us about Edubuntu, to spread some awareness | 20:34 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: thats awesome :), where's is being published? | 20:34 |
| highvoltage | stgraber: heh, I see you're used to mediawiki formatting atm :) | 20:34 |
| highvoltage | bencrisford: ubuntu fridge, planet, etc | 20:34 |
| stgraber | highvoltage: yeah, unfortunately ... I'd love to get rid of that believe me ;) | 20:35 |
| mhall119 | highvoltage: is she doing to get it on Ubuntu User or FCM? | 20:35 |
| highvoltage | mhall119: probably in Ubuntu User at minimam, not sure about FCM, she did say before but that was a while ago so I'm not 100% sure if it will make FCM as well | 20:36 |
| mhall119 | cool | 20:36 |
| highvoltage | tomorrow I'll contact our web guys who seem to be a bit rare on IRC when we have meetings :) | 20:37 |
| highvoltage | we'll try to co-ordinate so that our site is up by the time we get to release | 20:37 |
| highvoltage | our meeting next week is the day before release, so we can then check through everything and make sure all our release work items are done | 20:38 |
| bencrisford | awesome :) | 20:39 |
| stgraber | yep, we really need to hurry on the website as it'll be extremely hard to update next week | 20:40 |
| highvoltage | oh right due to bandwidth constraints? | 20:40 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: btw, just read your edubuntu blog post, thanks for the mention :) | 20:40 |
| stgraber | nope, due to not having any sysadmin available ;) | 20:40 |
| highvoltage | heh, ok | 20:41 |
| highvoltage | bencrisford: you're welcome! | 20:41 |
| highvoltage | Anyone have anything else for this meeting? I think we got most of the ideas that has been mentioned up until now down | 20:42 |
| highvoltage | and I think we have a good idea of what we should be doing for the next few days | 20:42 |
| stgraber | nope, nothing to add here. Seems like we'll get a great release for 10.04 ! congrats everyone | 20:43 |
| highvoltage | *nod* congrats and thanks! | 20:43 |
| highvoltage | Meeting adjourned! | 20:44 |
| highvoltage | *GONG* | 20:44 |
| bencrisford | highvoltage: :( so its the end of the BONG ? | 20:44 |
| highvoltage | bencrisford: unfortunately, yes. :) | 20:45 |
| bencrisford | it doesnt seem right, that the BONG that has served us so well should just be left to gather dust highvoltage | 20:45 |
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