[00:00] \o/ [00:00] <_Lux> Good Morning czajkowski [00:00] The assocation is the supporting institute for the German Ubuntu Communities. Since 2006 we are doing a lot of conference appearances and release parties. Starting 2007 we have our yearly Ubuntu conference called Ubucon [00:00] At the moment we are busy to improve the integration of all parts of the team especially to integrate the Ubuntu developer. But this is a long time goal;) [00:00] And sorry for the late wiki pages changes. [00:00] I think juliux is rather prepared :( [00:00] :) [00:00] ;) [00:00] czajkowski: ;) [00:00] * _Lux and Julius prepared the text ;-) [00:00] juliux, it's OK, I'm actually on the -de mailing list, so it's no problem :) [00:00] so tell us how you organise folks into doing things [00:00] btw i think that was the fast reapproval ever;) only one week preparation [00:00] paultag: cool [00:01] <_Lux> czajkowski: What exactly do you want to know? [00:01] <_Lux> Unfortunately we are a very splitted team, working on different aspects of Communiy [00:02] <_Lux> One of our main tasks is to integrate all back into one big team [00:02] yes how do you orgnise that [00:02] in the past we used mailinglists for that and face to face discussions [00:02] <_Lux> We have a central mailing list for LoCo-Activities which we use to coordinate [00:02] <_Lux> Last week we started an IRC round table [00:03] yes, and it was a good start! [00:03] indeed [00:03] _Lux: How many people attend your Ubucon's? [00:04] <_Lux> itnet7: 150-200 (correct juliux?) [00:04] Very nice turnouts! [00:04] <_Lux> itnet7: They are coming from all over Germany and Switzerland and Austria [00:04] and may be France next time :) [00:05] <_Lux> We are in Germany not so big in size but big in terms of people [00:05] juliux, _Lux, how have the translation efforts from within the LoCo been going for German? [00:05] yes I've seen your jams they are rather impressive [00:05] itnet7: in 2008 we had 200 in 2009 300 [00:05] That is really great! [00:06] paultag: the translation team is more working for upstream translations [00:06] Have you faced any issues?? [00:06] paultag: most of them are translation for gnome and kde [00:06] czajkowski: yes;) splitting a locoteam into to parts kubuntu and ubuntu [00:06] juliux, Outstanding. I caught a glimpse of that about a year ago when I had a small change for Evolution :) [00:06] <\Lux> paultag: We have a very active translation team whcih has an onw forum in our officical forum [00:06] \Lux, would you mind posting those links? [00:07] juliux: how did ye go about solving that issue ? [00:07] <\Lux> mompls [00:07] czajkowski: but that happens allreay in 2005/2006 [00:07] czajkowski: the solutions that we have to locoteams so we are only covering *buntu but not kubutnu [00:07] <\Lux> paultag: Here it is: http://forum.ubuntuusers.de/forum/lokalisierung/ [00:07] thank you \Lux :) [00:07] czajkowski: they are doing there own thing but there are some contact points at fairs or at the ubucon [00:07] ok [00:07] <\Lux> paultag: welcome [00:07] sound sgood [00:08] are there any other comments you'd like to make to the council [00:08] paultag: the cfp is still open;) [00:08] itnet7: leogg huats paultag any other comments [00:08] juliux, please correct the team contact, since it was still smurf on the wiki page (may be you have already changed that) [00:08] I'm all set, thank you czajkowski :) [00:08] huats: _Lux and i will take that over [00:08] juliux, my German is that of a three year old ;) [00:08] otherwise please continue that way ! [00:08] Not really, I am very impressed with their team! [00:08] juliux, but I'd love to watch :) [00:08] <\Lux> paultag: like my English [00:09] \Lux, :) [00:09] [vote] Please vote on the German LoCo Re approval [00:09] Please vote on: Please vote on the German LoCo Re approval. [00:09] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:09] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [00:09] +1 [00:09] +1 received from paultag. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:09] +1 [00:09] +1 received from itnet7. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [00:09] +1 [00:09] +1 received from leogg. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [00:09] +1 [00:09] +1 received from czajkowski. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [00:09] Private +1 vote received. 5 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:09] [endvote] [00:09] Final result is 5 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 5 [00:09] whoooo [00:09] Very cool!!! [00:09] Really outstanding work \Lux, juliux. Keep up the great work [00:09] very nice [00:09] well done [00:09] \o/ [00:09] thank you very much [00:09] congrats german team ! [00:09] <\Lux> thanks a lot \o/ [00:09] \o/ juliux and team! [00:09] 9 LoCo teams re approved and 2 new teams approved tonight! [00:09] thank you guys :) [00:10] sleep well! [00:10] yes, thanks a lot [00:10] [endmeeting] [00:10] #endmeeting [00:10] Meeting finished at 18:10. [00:10] grrrrrr [00:10] bot! [00:10] yeah, and sleep well (its 01am here) [00:10] :) [00:10] thanks everybody [00:10] cu [00:10] and have a good night, all of you [00:10] nn folks [00:10] <\Lux> Good night, I have to get up at 5:00 hrs [00:10] Thanks everyone, good night / morning :) [00:11] \Lux, Gute nacht, schlaft gut ;) [00:11] <\Lux> paultag: you too :-)) === Ubot-Tn is now known as MaWaLe === lukjad007 is now known as lukjad86 === ogra_ is now known as ogra === unimix_ is now known as unimix|work [14:57] gday [14:57] hi [14:58] [o] [14:58] ]o[ [14:59] \u\ [14:59] \o [14:59] o/ [15:00] o] [15:00] ok, let's get started ! [15:00] #startmeeting [15:00] Meeting started at 09:00. The chair is ttx. [15:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [15:00] o/ [15:00] Welcome to the Ubuntu Server team meeting ! [15:00] wheee [15:00] Agenda is at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/Meeting [15:00] Scribe is: zul ! [15:01] [TOPIC] Review ACTION points from previous meeting [15:01] New Topic: Review ACTION points from previous meeting [15:01] * mathiaz to fix the "server fixed bugs" broken script [15:01] \o [15:01] ttx: still on my TODO [15:02] ttx to follow up with ivoks/RoaKSoax on cluster stack state : DONE [15:02] * mathiaz to propose removal of dovecot-postfix on MLs [15:02] ttx: that has been done [15:02] ScottK: ^^ [15:02] and the fix has been uploaded [15:02] zul: great thanks [15:02] mathiaz: without a strong consensus, I see [15:03] ttx: about the fix or the removal? [15:03] ttx: I'm fine with the fix [15:03] abouit the removal :) [15:03] ttx: as long as the use of dovecot-postfix.conf has been discarded [15:03] mathiaz: does that prove the need for a UDS session on taht subject, to set expectations for the Maverick cycle ? [15:04] ttx: not specifically [15:04] ttx: there may be a more generic what to do with the mail server though [15:04] mathiaz: yes [15:04] [TOPIC] Lucid release status [15:04] New Topic: Lucid release status [15:04] So the RC is in the oven, should be released tomorrow [15:05] Today's focus is on ISO testing coverage [15:05] We don't expect a server ISO/images respin, so please test the heck out of them [15:05] * kirkland is on it [15:06] Don't forget to register your test results... and mark the tests you started as "started" for coordination [15:06] On the remaining RC bugs side... I assigned most of them to the team, at the very least you should look into them and comment whether they can and should be fixed by release day, or as a post-release SRU [15:07] the watch list is updated at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/ReleaseStatus [15:07] that's the team main focus for after-RC [15:08] Finally, you have some remaining work items in specs [15:08] See http://people.canonical.com/~pitti/workitems/canonical-server-ubuntu-10.04.html [15:08] Most of them are about UEC testing/validation so we should be ok, but don't forget those :) [15:08] * hggdh kicks evolution and its 1G resident memory [15:09] Questions on release management, priorities for the next week, etc. ? [15:09] nyet [15:10] pas [15:10] About post-RC fix vs. early SRU: it's mostly the release team decision based on the impact of the proposed patch vs. how impacting is the bug. [15:10] but you should be able to make an educated guess :) [15:10] ok, moving on to: [15:10] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [15:10] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the QA Team (hggdh) [15:11] hggdh: how is it going in QA land ? [15:11] life is not as good as I expected ;-) [15:11] ttx: hggdh has been doing a heck of a job testing UEC [15:11] ttx: shaking out some hard issue [15:11] we are still going along, though. All of you have been extremely helpful on my bugs [15:12] er. not *mine*, I mean [15:12] yes, we still have a stream of issues in UEC stresstesting and cloud images boot [15:12] yes. Right now it seems the more we poke, the more bugs fall [15:12] kirkland, smoser: I kept you out of the other server bugs so that you can concentrate on those [15:13] hggdh: that's our job ;-) [15:13] hggdh: you seem to have the Gift ! [15:13] mathiaz scripts have helped a lot, BTW [15:13] ttx: thanks, much appreciated, we're actively working those [15:14] ttx: right now, this is pretty much what I can tell you... sorry [15:14] hggdh: the regression build rig seems to have triggered a few recent messages [15:14] hggdh: do you plan to have a maverick spec to cover what we should do now with this ? [15:14] hum. I have not looked at my emails today, but I do not remember any from yesterday (except atlas, but this is not aq worry) [15:15] hggdh: they were from this morning. [15:15] ttx: you mean the regression rig? Yes, I do have some ideas. We should keep it, and expand it [15:15] hggdh: planning a UDS session / blueprint on the subject ? [15:16] hggdh: ttx: i suggest some "barriers", that would allow a topo to deploy with one button [15:16] hggdh: ttx: rather than triggering each system individually [15:16] I am going to put it in the QA pool of ideas, and someone will decide on it [15:16] hggdh: ttx: possibly as simple as an early command that sleeps/waits until its dependendent systems are installed [15:17] kirkland: I was talking about the build regression rig, the thing that rebuilds a set of package daily [15:17] kirkland: yeah, something like that. I would also like to have at least one more rig [15:17] and mails out tons of errors :) [15:17] ah, plenty of interesting discussions coming up in Brussels.. volcano smoke allowing. [15:18] heh [15:18] Other questions for QA team ? [15:18] everybody says smoke is bad to our health [15:18] no, we are good [15:19] [TOPIC] Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [15:19] New Topic: Weekly Updates & Questions for the Kernel Team (jjohansen) [15:19] hggdh: thanks ! [15:19] jjohansen: o/ [15:19] ttx: just an aside -- we should talk, when possible, on the autonmated server tests [15:19] hey [15:19] so not much has changed on the kernel side since last week [15:20] jjohansen: which is good :) [15:20] no issues found in ec2 testing related to kernel [15:20] a little more debug info shaken out, and a couple more bugs showing up [15:20] other than possibly bug 567334 [15:20] Launchpad bug 567334 in linux "blocked tasks delay cloud-init for 240 seconds" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567334 [15:21] right [15:21] I don'ty have any new burning issue myself... but it's sometimes difficult to be aware of existing kernel bugs affecting server [15:21] jjohansen, i wonder if you've proposed a blueprint or some mechanism to get official time to trial paravirt-ops kernels on ec2 [15:22] smoser: not yet [15:22] it will come I still need to poke that beast a little bit this week [15:22] i know how difficult or unlikely getting that to work is, but *I* would really like it, and I know it'd make your job much easier if you didn't have thousands of lines of patches [15:23] hehe, well that is motivation to get it working :) [15:23] what no more hulking patch? [15:24] ok, any other questions/concerns to transmit to the kernel team ? [15:24] jjohansen: no progress on that oops? [15:24] jjohansen: that we're seeing in some UEC guests? [15:25] jjohansen: seems to be only on certain hardware [15:25] kirkland: no :( [15:25] jjohansen: alrighty, thanks [15:25] jjohansen: i suspect this will need an SRU eventually [15:25] [TOPIC] Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) [15:25] New Topic: Weekly SRU review: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/KnowledgeBase#SRU%20weekly%20review (mathiaz) [15:25] though that isn't the only bug we have seen that is hardware specifi [15:25] jjohansen: right [15:25] mathiaz: o/ [15:26] a few bugs from karmic: [15:26] bug 156636 [15:26] Launchpad bug 156636 in openssh "Please package openssh with LPK patch" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/156636 [15:26] bug 494141 [15:26] Launchpad bug 494141 in samba "CUPS starts after SAMBA; printers are not available" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/494141 [15:27] Both should be decline IMO [15:27] not fixed in dev release [15:27] so not candidates for SRU [15:28] that's all as far as I can say [15:28] given that the bugs-fixed-lately script is broken [15:28] ok, that was fast ! [15:29] anything worth fixing in SRU from last week? [15:29] * kirkland wagers that the SRU portion of this meeting is about to get a lot more interesting in about ~2 weeks :-) [15:29] kirkland: right [15:29] kirkland: I'll add the lucid nominations list once lucid is released [15:29] * ttx wagers that there should be an interesting discussion about SRU handling at UDS in ~3 weeks :-) [15:29] ttx: oh? changes on the way? [15:29] /join #ubuntu-ha [15:29] which means that the first (few?) meetings may see more SRU activity [15:30] kirkland: well, we should at least discuss if our current process fits the bill for Lucid [15:30] ttx: ah [15:30] mathiaz: i think so ... there's a number of things we'll want to fix for Lucid that didn't make release [15:30] mathiaz: and probably a number of new issues that come up as people upgrade [15:31] i'm not sure it gives us the tracking information we'll need, so far [15:31] Are then any plans to put dedicated ressource on lucid SRU? [15:31] the same way as we did for Hardy? [15:31] that's a good question and I don't know the answer. [15:32] [ACTION] ttx to confirm with jib lucid SRU resource allocation [15:32] ACTION received: ttx to confirm with jib lucid SRU resource allocation [15:32] i think we should because most users probably wont upgrade until .1 [15:32] imho [15:32] mathiaz: could you explain what happened in hardy, for reference ? [15:33] ttx: IIRC some of the desktop team members spent time on hardy SRUs. [15:33] ttx: until enf of June IIRC [15:33] ttx: ask pitti or seb128 [15:33] zul: yes, we need a way to track and coordinate the amount of work we'll all do in that area... and possibly someone dedicated to tracking it [15:33] ttx: I wa working on SRU for the hardy point release [15:33] ttx: yeah, zul worked on hardy.1, and i worked on hardy.2 [15:34] noted, thanks ! [15:34] [TOPIC] Maverick call for blueprints [15:34] New Topic: Maverick call for blueprints [15:34] So UDS is nearing and volcano smoke seems to clear out [15:35] volcano smoke is overblown [15:35] If you want to suggest a UDS session topic, feel free to file an Ubuntu blueprint ! [15:35] name is server-maverick-* [15:35] and approver must be set to "Jos Boumans" [15:35] at tha point only one was filed: [15:35] https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/server-maverick-wbemcim-providers [15:36] I also set up a page to braindump and track the propsoed sessions: [15:36] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ServerTeam/MaverickIdeaPool [15:36] I'll add a lot more sessions from the team internal braindump in the next hours/days [15:37] so no need for the Canonical server team to spend time on editing that page [15:37] but everyone else is more than welcome to do so ! [15:38] [TOPIC] Open Discussion [15:38] New Topic: Open Discussion [15:38] anything/anyone ? [15:39] What about lucid? [15:39] padhu: what what about lucid ? [15:39] padhu: it goes out next week [15:40] hopefully :) [15:40] In time? [15:40] team: is sleeping getting any better ? [15:40] padhu: at this point, yes... [15:40] ttx: still on track [15:41] padhu: but being late is, by essence, unpredictable. [15:41] Happy to hear it. I am waiting eagerly [15:41] padhu: I'd advise you to downlaod and test the RC which goes out tomorrow ! That will make the release all the more enjoyable to you. [15:42] the sooner we know wbout bugs, the sooner we can fix them. [15:42] ttx:yep [15:42] ... and by definition, no significant change is expected between RC and final. [15:42] oh [15:43] i will try [15:43] [TOPIC] Announce next meeting date and time [15:43] New Topic: Announce next meeting date and time [15:43] Same place, same time, next week, in the middle of the release frenzy [15:43] i'll be in London next week, hopefully I'll be able to spend time on the meeting [15:44] Thanks everyone ! [15:44] #endmeeting [15:44] Meeting finished at 09:44. [15:47] Bye.... [16:00] hi everybody! meeting time... [16:00] #startmeeting [16:00] Meeting started at 10:00. The chair is barry. [16:00] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [16:00] [TOPIC] agenda [16:00] New Topic: agenda [16:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0421 [16:00] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0421 [16:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FoundationsTeam/Meetings/2010/0421 [16:01] hello [16:01] hi [16:01] Hi [16:01] hi [16:02] * slangasek waves [16:02] hi [16:02] hi === doko_ is now known as doko [16:02] [AGENDA] [16:02] [TOPIC] agenda [16:02] New Topic: agenda [16:03] lool, cjwatson, slangasek, ev, doko, james_w, Keybuk, barry, mvo, tremolux [16:03] paste fail [16:03] tremolux is on vacation [16:03] [TOPIC] lightning round [16:03] New Topic: lightning round [16:03] order: cjwatson, slangasek, ev, doko, james_w, Keybuk, barry, mvo [16:04] done: various last-minute installer bug fixes (esp. 543838, 546964, 558382, 566965); branding fixes per design team; generally trying to keep on top of late-breaking bugs [16:04] todo: head-scratching over part of bug 567345, which is looking like a busybox shell bug [16:04] Launchpad bug 567345 in grub2 "partman and grub2 fail in server amd64 " [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567345 [16:04] -- [16:06] done: some spit'n'polish on plymouth and mountall; todo: fix the last few big ugly bugs in plymouth for release; and oh yeah, that RC thing is this week [16:06] -- [16:06] in progress: Trying to figure out why wubi is setting automatic-ubiquity on the kernel command line for the cd boot helper option. Trying to get to the bottom of some broken migration-assistant and debconf interaction that's in turn breaking hw-detect (bug 234835, bug 536673). CD testing && bug fixing. [16:06] todo: Get to the bottom of bug 567243. Figure out why ubiquity is still cutting off text for some users/languages (bug 560114). Fix usb-creator breaking on non-FAT partitions (bug 566390). [16:06] blocked: Need a release team review on bug 566552. [16:06] Launchpad bug 234835 in ubiquity "migration-assistant: error: /dev/disk/by-label//home does not exist." [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/234835 [16:06] -- [16:06] Launchpad bug 536673 in ubiquity "ubiquity crashed with InstallStepError in configure_hardware()" [High,Incomplete] https://launchpad.net/bugs/536673 [16:06] Launchpad bug 567243 in ubiquity "error during OEM setup in French" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567243 [16:06] Launchpad bug 560114 in ubiquity "Truncated text in Ubiquity after selecting Hebrew" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560114 [16:06] Launchpad bug 566390 in usb-creator "USBCreatorProcessException FAT vs any other format" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566390 [16:06] Launchpad bug 566552 in user-setup "Installing over ecryptfs-enabled system causes remove_extras to fail." [Undecided,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566552 [16:07] done: [16:07] * openjdk-6 1.8 release, lucid upload [16:07] * more sun-java6 updates (twice, first with the wrong debian sources) [16:07] * eglibc memcpy/strcmp fixes, rebuilds [16:07] * maverick toolchain preparations [16:07] * llvm regression fixes [16:07] * fix some build failures [16:07] todo: [16:07] * file bug reports for test rebuild failures [16:07] * need help with that ipv6 networking bug [16:07] -- [16:07] working on a bunch of fixes and merges for both Ubuntu and bzr-builddeb etc. Will continue the same. [16:07] -- [16:09] probably a little early for the stranded Keybuk? [16:09] ;) [16:09] bug reporting script (from cjwatson) - blocked on lazr.restfulclient; bug [16:09] 552777 (cj2.0); bug 485944 (python-virtualenv debian 1.4.5 sync); pep 3147 [16:09] (landed!); python packaging/udd testing [16:09] -- [16:09] Launchpad bug 485944 in python-virtualenv "[FFe] Upgrade to virtualenv 1.4.5" [Critical,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/485944 [16:09] [16:09] pep 3147 landed> great! [16:10] woo! [16:10] james_w: I have no sympathy for him :) [16:10] fixes in software-center for final release, fixes in update-manager, debugging upgrade issues, Support-timeframe: prepare final merge into LP production BLOCKED on exact seed definition that we support for 3y, currently working on OOo pre-depends hell [16:10] -- [16:10] \o/ [16:10] slangasek: you're stranded in a different way :-) [16:11] [TOPIC] * Outstanding actions from last meeting [16:11] New Topic: * Outstanding actions from last meeting [16:11] none that i'm aware of [16:11] barry: lazr.restfulclient> we need an upgrade in the distro for that? [16:11] james_w: we do [16:11] james_w: i don't have the bug in front of me, but it's a problem with path name lengths [16:11] in the cache [16:12] yeah, I remember [16:12] james_w: i was going to work on that today [16:12] [TOPIC] * Outstanding feature freeze exceptions [16:12] New Topic: * Outstanding feature freeze exceptions [16:13] slangasek: anything to say about this one? [16:13] barry: it's in Debian fwiw [16:13] james_w: yep, i think it's a fairly simple sync [16:13] outstanding feature freeze exceptions> remember that we'll be face-to-face in three weeks time in Belgium before you ask for a feature freeze exception the week of RC :) [16:14] so we should ask for them in three weeks? [16:14] yes, that's fine [16:14] volcanos permitting of course :) [16:15] French trains permitting in my case I think [16:15] (hey, let's take out all the plausible modes of travel at once!) [16:15] :) [16:15] [TOPIC] * Farming out tasks that aren't being handled [16:15] New Topic: * Farming out tasks that aren't being handled [16:15] milestoned bugs: [16:15] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bugs?field.milestone%3Alist=21447 [16:16] targetted bugs: [16:16] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+bug [16:16] if anyone is blocked on the release team for feedback regarding critical fixes (ev, just followed up to the bug you mentioned above), please ping directly; I can't guarantee that the bug queue will get flushed in time [16:16] mvo: bug #522225 - defer, since you have your hands full with OOo? [16:16] Launchpad bug 522225 in mysql-dfsg-5.1 "permissions incorrect on libmysqlclient16_7.0.9-1_amd64.deb" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/522225 [16:16] slangasek: sorry, yes [16:16] slangasek: already replied to your reply :) [16:16] slangasek: OOo and LP maintenance time [16:16] is that the right milestone list? I wasn't expecting 0 [16:16] but noted [16:16] no, it's not [16:17] 21439 [16:17] I think it should be =21439 [16:17] slangasek: I'll ping on visualvm (fix ftbfs, and installability) bug #560138 [16:17] Launchpad bug 560138 in visualvm "visualvm needs an update to 1.2.2 to build with netbeans-6.8" [High,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/560138 [16:17] cjwatson: ah, yes the template doesn't get updated automatically ;) [16:17] oh, I promised to do a last double-check of oem-config/debconf and defer [16:17] 530027 [16:18] I'll do that today [16:18] cjwatson: thanks [16:18]