[00:18] Pici: I can't rightly fathom that kind of lunacy. [00:21] KB1JWQ: I can barely... but I don't know why he expected us to know how to fix it. [00:22] Pici: He was hoping we had an automated "boot from this CD, run the 'fix my stupid crap' utility, that'll go through dpkg and verify the entire install. [00:22] Technically couldn't he figure out what .deb provides it and force a reinstall of that package though? Good luck getting the system to a state where that's doable though. [00:24] Typos_King called the ops in #ubuntu (Perlfection) [04:42] Bah. Is there some !medibuntuisoffline yet? ;) [04:43] medibuntu is offline? [04:44] Flannel: that is the word [04:45] permanently? [04:45] I am pretty sure that autoremove doesn't mess up a system but just to be sure, did I just have that person uninstall over 50+ packages? [04:45] Flannel: I doubt it [04:48] Flannel: everyone is all zomg medibuntu is down! I haven't heard anything as to why or how long it's down for [04:48] "over 50+" redundancy for redundancies [05:30] You know, #ubuntu can be stressful [05:30] I'm just throwin' that out there [05:33] no kiddin' [05:39] Hm perhaps !medibuntu should temporarily point to https://bugs.launchpad.net/medibuntu/+bug/565810 where there are some alternate mirrors listed [05:39] Launchpad bug 565810 in medibuntu "packages.medibuntu.org not available" [High,Confirmed] [05:47] ok... this doesnt read right to me... [07:46:48] <#ubuntu:tripelb> sudden urge for Chocolate mneptok [05:48] eww [05:48] :P [05:48] jussi: You've never had an urge to dip mneptok in a vat of boiling oily liquid full of poisonous chemicals? [05:48] persia: lolo [05:49] i'll withhold the Ron White chocolate reference. [05:51] It's a good day :) [05:54] h00k, you're only just noticing this now? [06:35] ikonia, aetr is our friend from yesterday, yeah? [06:36] rocket16 must be csaba or whoever it was playing the "you're offtopic" game [06:36] going to remove him [06:42] Hello respected friends, [06:42] We're having a serious issue of #ubuntu channel, [06:43] Two people, namely bazhang and billy2007, were discussing Offtopic things like "Bazhang how are you?" and "Billy2007 I am fine, how are you?", and when I requested them to stop, Bazhang (who is somehow a Operator) banned me, [06:43] I request the attention of the Operators on this matter. [06:44] Respected Operators, please consider the matter, [06:45] rocket16: An exchange of greetings is not offtopic. In fact the bot has even a greeting. [06:46] genii: Thanks, but continueing the greeting might be offtopic. And billy2007 was using words like "idiot" there, which might be a little disconcerting on such a nice official channel. [06:51] rocket16: Users who carry on extended conversations unrelated to the topic of the channel, etc would be considered offtopic. Their exchange had to do with a previous conversation regarding support of a webcam issue, and not offtopic. Calling someone and idiot perhaps is not nice but one use of it and no escalation does not necessarily fit the criteria of abuse or non-family-friendly language. Much worse is heard during an episode of The Simpsons for [06:51] example which is considered a family show. [06:51] not to mention that bazhang warned billy2007 about such language, and billy2007 apologized. [06:52] and that user's behavior is not the issue here. yours is. [06:53] @login [06:53] The operation succeeded. [06:53] Respected Operators, I respect your decision, but the things like calling others as "idiots", and misusing someones Operator powers, are all these welcome in a support channel? [06:54] other users' behavior and the bhavior of operators is not the issue here. yours is. [06:55] * mneptok really, really doesn't like repeating himself [06:56] But, did I do anything wrong? When one does wrong with other, the other has a right of self-defence, as stated in Law. Sorry mneptok if I disappointed you, [06:57] IRC networks are not courts of law. [06:58] Also, my behaviour wasn't anything, for which I was to be banned, :( Was it? [06:59] you warned other people repeatedly about being off-topic. US law (where many Freenode servers are hosted) has stringent protections for free speech. you seem to have no problem understanding speech is limited in #ubuntu. attacking other users and ops is no different. it's not "self-defense." it's "being needlessly hostile." [06:59] To the other Operators: Respected Friends, this is a serious issue. If people like bazhang go on banning people, the Ubuntu IRC will be a frightening experience to most people. Please consider my request, [07:00] we'll consider it. [07:00] will there be anything else? if not, we do not allow idling in this channel. [07:00] mneptok: Really, thanks for your help. [07:01] Ok, if you direct me to leave, I suppose I must. But please consider your decision, and whatever you say, I'll accept. But a request, that is being voiced by me, is for a common cause. [07:01] Thanks mneptok and genii, and others, for their attention and time. [07:02] mneptok, thanks for discussing with him [07:02] np np [07:03] Right, because it's not already frightening to have people willing to harass the ops. I know I'm frightened when people are willing to harass the police, you know, the people who can put them in jail. [07:03] this is the same fellow who claimed conversation in #ubuntu-offtopic was pollution, and tried to silence users there as well [07:03] He seems to be missing a sizable portion of logic. [07:04] RP64 needs a new drug dealer. [07:04] Heh [07:04] mneptok: What, no sprechen si deutsche? [07:05] "sie" :P [07:05] Damn, got me [07:05] und, ja, iche spreche. aber ... [07:08] http://pastebin.com/kXNabNi6 tried to PM him before removing, he just responded now [07:09] for the lulz no doubt. [07:09] Weird. [07:09] bot-sentry prevented him from responding I guess [07:10] bazhang, which is clearly why he eventually did reply, right? [07:11] elky, the response was after parting this channel [07:11] bazhang, that he PM'd you at all indicates he at least knew you PM'd him. [07:12] elky, ah right, I missed that sorry [07:12] Also, the lack of bot sentry the second time ;) [07:12] true :) [07:16] Just had a quick PM with theadmin about recomending linux mint. [07:21] ok, my knowledge is really lacking. I hope this isnt a forkbomb... [07:21] [09:20:39] frankie_: Just don't be afraid when you see something like id |sed "s/^[^(]*($[^)]*$).*/\1/" [07:22] it's not, it's regex :) [07:22] right :) [07:22] * jussi slinks off somewhere else... [07:22] matches something inside of parentheses [08:00] 3am, good night [08:02] nini genii [08:24] good morning [08:36] Hello, as a regular user of Ubuntu IRC, I request the attention of Operators to ban Bazhang, from #ubuntu channel. Please consider the plea, and take measures. [08:42] Please consider the matter, for it is serious. As an impartial viewer, you'll probably see that what he's been doing, is no less than misusing #ubuntu-offtopic and #ubuntu channels. So, if you don't ban him immediately, a steady fall of Ubuntu users using the IRC is inevitable. For sake of this marvellous OS, (I am not requesting anyone, for people here aren't that great to be requested, what is evident from their previous activities) do something, pl [08:44] mneptok: Also, as for your kind information, in reply to "IRC is not Court-room", on rule of IRC, is the fact that one can't misuse it. People like bazhang and billy2007 get to the top, because of blind supporters, like many of the Operators, who even did not take a look at anything going on the main channel. And I am sorry to say, please stop favouring those ill people, for helping and supporting bad makes one bad as well. [08:44] Thanks and Bye. [08:46] .... [08:50] rocket16 is currently ban evading [08:50] a ban on *!*@115.117.231.13 was set [08:51] I guess I just volunteered to speak to him [08:56] hello rocket16 [08:56] Hello tsimpson, [08:56] let me just get a log for the original ban [08:57] Sure, [08:58] rocket16: ok, do you know why you were banned in the first place? [08:58] bazhang: ping btw [08:59] rocket16: I removed you from #ubuntu because you were ban evading. Having a conversation here doesn't affect your status there. [08:59] Yes, I know, I asked bazhang and billy2007 not to discuss offtopic, and also, billy2007 called me "idiot", for which I requested him not to use such language. [09:00] rocket16: I'm looking at the log, I don't see where they were offtopic [09:00] tsimpson: They were simply using things like "Hello, how are you", and what I did, was just a formal offtopic alert, [09:01] 2010-04-21T05:20:36 bazhang, you here? [09:01] 2010-04-21T05:20:52 billy2007, hi [09:01] 2010-04-21T05:21:15 bazhang, i was speaking to you the other day about my webcam i dont know if you remember [09:01] I don't see that [09:01] Flannel: Sorry, I tried to close #ubuntu in my IRC, but it crashed. [09:01] rocket16: No worries, figured I'd just give you some assistance [09:01] the next relevant message is from you: 2010-04-21T05:21:54 billy2007: bazhang: This is the Support Channel. Please don't make offtopic discussions here. [09:02] tsimpson: But I did nothing wrong, and the other day, I was warned when I just said "hello" to a person. [09:02] tsimpson: Yes, but wasn't that offtopic? Like saying "hi" and "hello" etc? [09:02] but that is clearly a continuation of support afaiks [09:02] Flannel: Thanks [09:02] ping / pong ... support. [09:03] billy2007 was also wrong in somewhat provoking you, but that's a separate issue [09:03] tsimpson: Right, [09:03] then, however, you became off-topic yourself [09:03] tsimpson: I agree, Billy2007 started the issue again, [09:03] tsimpson: But languages like "idiot", are they welcome in #ubuntu? [09:04] no, but as I said, it's another issue we'll deal with [09:04] tsimpson: Oh, sorry for not getting it, I understood [09:04] carrying on a conversation about how you think someone is off-topic is, itself, off-topic [09:05] and you were asked to stop before being removed the first time [09:05] you then rejoined and continued again [09:05] and also threatened someone [09:05] which is also not appropriate for #ubuntu [09:05] tsimpson: Yes, but however, I did nothing wrong, really. I just asked ubutto to send then an alert, and they simply removed. [09:05] 2010-04-21T05:36:31 bazhang: Continue misusing your Operator status, and you'll get the result, [09:06] tsimpson: But why should he always kick people? That is not right, he did that multiple times, in a previous issue [09:06] you were removed because you were asked to stop the discussion about who was/was not off-topic [09:06] tsimpson: The ubuntu offtopic channel, is made unfit because of people like bazhang there, who kick new users from there (after they protest against slangs used by AtomikSpark) [09:06] which is an off-topic conversation [09:07] let's deal with _this_ issue first [09:07] tsimpson: Oh, very sorry, an urgent issue here. Please excuse me for five minutes, :( [09:08] I am rejoining soon after [09:08] you were asked to stop the discussion, and were removed for continuing. when you re-joined you still continued and said something which could be persevered as a threat [09:08] after that, you were then banned [09:09] perceived [09:09] 9am, still waiting for the caffeine to kick in :) [09:18] Hello [09:19] tsimpson: But in return, please consider what Blly2007 said, "idiot" and so, [09:19] tsimpson: If the rules are so strict, why shan't he be banned? [09:19] rocket16: Billy2007 was warned while you wern't there [09:19] tsimpson: Also, you yourself said that the issues are not related [09:20] tsimpson: I see, my apologies, [09:20] tsimpson: I did not see that warning, but such a word is heinous here [09:21] tsimpson: Also, people like bazhang should not misuse their powers. Why did he kick me? Because Billy2007 asked him, isn't it? [09:21] no, because you were off-topic [09:21] tsimpson: Such a person is unfit to be an Operator of such important a channel. [09:21] tsimpson: I did not continue the discussion, and just asked ubutto once. But Billy2007 started it again, [09:22] after being removed, you di... [09:22] Sorry, I got disconnected. [09:22] rocket16: after being removed, you did continue [09:23] a remove is the 2nd form of warning you ignored [09:23] you were asked to stop, you were removed, and finally banned after continueing [09:23] tsimpson: But why should any person have the right to kick any person without any reason? Also, please pay attention to what Billy2007 said, that is no less than a quarrel "Now say, how was I offtipoc" [09:24] as I said, he was told to stop [09:24] I said nothing, when they were discussing about a topic-related issue. But Billy2007 started the offtopic discussion again [09:25] But he did not, he continued, to offend me with "idiot", and he was not kicked, but I was, [09:25] you re-joined and continued, then posted a threat-like message [09:25] That is not a threat, for information. That was a simple thing, which meant "Stop misusing your powers, or the results won't be fine." [09:25] no, I'm looking at the log now. you were removed, the first thing you did after re-joining was 2010-04-21T05:36:10 billy2007: Hey, last warning to you, watch your language. [09:26] there was no message to you after you re-joined [09:26] Sure, I did, as a reply to "idiot" [09:26] But before it was, I could not get the chance of answering to "idiot" [09:26] you shouldn't have responded to it at all [09:26] Might be, sorry [09:27] But that really offends anyone, [09:27] which is why he was told to stop [09:27] So, that was a saying, asking him to stop, which he ignored, and continued to plead bazhang to ban me, [09:27] I can assure you, you were not banned because someone ask for you to be [09:27] But did he stop? No, he kept on saying ill things to bazhang, which bazhang did. [09:28] that's not how it works [09:28] that you were banned and that someone asked for it are coincidental [09:28] My question is, will I ever be allowed to rejoin #ubuntu? Or else, I'll feel sorry, but no problem, I'll leave #ubuntu for ever. [09:29] if you can agree to follow the rules, an keep in mind that discussing someone being off-topic is also being off-topic [09:29] !guideliens [09:29] !guidelines [09:29] The guidelines for using the Ubuntu channels can be found here: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/IRC/Guidelines [09:29] for reference ^ [09:30] A misunderstanding between an user and operator, will always give the operator the greater hand, and so did get bazhang. [09:30] I see. [09:30] that's why this channel exists, so we can discuss and come to a solution [09:30] if you agree to the rules, and learn from this experience, you can certainly re-join #ubuntu [09:31] I see. I definitely agree to the terms, [09:32] rocket16: ok, you are free to participate in #ubuntu and part this channel. thanks for coming here to discuss it [09:33] And I did too, but after what I saw, and how people like bazhang and billy2007 behave, (Especially bazhang, so he misuses his Operator powers, for which he is required to be removed from Operator, it is a responsibility, as said in the guidelines. But however, all of you people, do your tasks nicely, leaving bazhang, who keeps on using his privileges in a wrong way. [09:34] So, it is better for me to quit #ubuntu, but as an advice, please don't allow people like bazhang as Operators, for this will have a negative impact on the entire community. [09:34] we'll keep your concerns in mind and deal with operators internally [09:34] So, I guess it is the time to leave #ubuntu, and permanently. [09:34] that is up to you [09:35] rocket16: if there is nothing else, please part this channel [09:35] I have decided to take away my name from #ubuntu, and so shall I. But as an admirer of this fabulous OS, please remember this occasion. Thank you tsimpson, for your help. I would have liked to stay in #ubuntu much longer, but because of bazhang, I am leaving. Bye, and thanks again. [09:36] ok, thanks [09:36] tsimpson: Thank you,Iam doing this already. No need to ask em again and again. [09:36] @mark rocket16 -ops conversation in reference to the ban on *!*@115.117.231.13 [09:36] The operation succeeded. [10:31] whoa sorry to be away. [10:31] tsimpson, my apologies [10:34] bazhang: don't worry about it, I think I got the message across [10:41] iceroot called the ops in #ubuntu (abou_7anash_009) [11:21] !-mc44 [11:21] !-mc44-#ubuntu-offtopic [11:21] mc44-#ubuntu-offtopic has no aliases - added by LjL on 2008-02-05 23:21:33 - last edited by bazhang on 2010-03-21 11:09:36 [11:21] !forget mc44-#ubuntu-offtopic [11:21] I'll forget that, jussi [11:21] I thought it was agreed that there were to be no vanity factoids. [11:24] there are still a few more around as well [11:24] !-lies-#ubuntu-offtopic [11:25] lies! [11:25] :D [11:25] !lies [11:25] Mostly just statistics and mc44, but yeah. [11:25] yeah, that one is different [11:25] also !pony [11:25] pony is fine [11:26] but ones that are !$name [11:26] okay [11:29] hmmwut? [11:30] so "mc44 is..." is wrong but "...and mc44" is fine? [11:30] Seeker`: factoid that are there for the sole purpose of an individual, ie !mc44 are not correct. [11:31] well, that !lies one seems fairly personalised [11:31] !seeker [11:34] I just don't see what the objection to !mc44 is if you can have "personalised" ones, as long as they aren't ! [11:36] jussi: ?? [11:41] anyway !lies should be !lies-#ubuntu-offtopic, same for !maybe [11:47] !maybe [11:47] See !lies [11:47] heh [11:47] elky: when you wake up/look in take a peak at: http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/HP-Compaq-AirLife-100-on-US-website/ [12:01] jussi: ? [12:01] hrm? [12:02] would something like "!superop is Oh no! A Super Op is about! watch out, it might be bazhang" be acceptable? [12:08] jussi: ^ [12:08] anyone see poutine in -ot? [12:09] bazhang: spoken to him? [12:09] Seeker`, he was told before about 040 [12:09] err o4o [12:10] ah, you aren't an -offtopic op? [12:11] nope [12:11] i has an eye out now [12:11] ditto [12:22] jussi, niiice, an absurd mouse pad though, but veeery nice [12:23] Seeker`: not really. lemme think about it some [12:24] with android as the default OS? very interesting [12:29] jussi: or to put it another way, would "!mc44 is Mostly just statistics and mc44, but yeah" be acceptable? [12:33] IMHO no. [12:34] i'd s/mc44/caek/ for !lies to be honest. [12:34] much funnier [13:02] Pici: I don't know...what is going on [14:16] morning [14:31] morning txwikinger [14:31] hi jussi [14:41] I think mc44 is definitely funnier than caek [14:43] s/mc44/politicians/ ? [14:48] hrm. [14:50] heh [15:02] @login [15:02] The operation succeeded. [15:02] @btlogin [15:22] * genii scrapes the crud out of his eyes, makes some coffee, and tries to stay focused [15:22] way to be. [15:23] ikonia: I don't think you saw this yesterday, but I thought you'd get a kick out of it: http://paste.ubuntu.com/419524/ [15:24] lets see [15:25] ha ha, where did that come from ? [15:25] Someone in #ubuntu who wanted help fixing his system. [15:28] I'm secretly glad I did miss that [15:29] * elky snorts ginger beer all over the place. [15:29] "Hi, I changed everything. Why doesn't my system work anymore?" [15:30] Er, folks it may be best to bring Nece228 in here or talk to him in pm. -offtopic is getting a bit well.. offtopic. [15:31] Plus we don't need every op thats around to pounce at once :) [15:31] I'm not watching so go for it [15:32] I'm still trying to wake up [15:33] so, can someone explain to me why when you send an email to people and theywrite back using the spelling "Jussy" even though its correctly spelled right there in front of them? [15:34] jussi, because of Daviey, Pricey and elky [15:34] (and Popey) [15:34] it's one of the perks of having a finnish name. the variations can be endless! [15:34] Whatever you say, knomey. [15:34] elky, ;] [15:34] pffft, some people still call me popeye [15:34] hmph [15:35] popey, lol [15:35] ...the sailor man. [15:35] hehe [15:35] toot toot [15:35] I puke on boats. [15:35] not a good popeye [15:35] TMI [15:35] This time it was Marianna from canonical, but it seems to happen quite often... [15:36] is puking on boats some kind of new hippie/anarchist trend? [15:36] knome, yes, his stomach is revolting against his act of being on a boat. [15:37] * knome was imagining popey on a pier and puking all over the luxury boats [15:38] * knome takes a quick nap [15:39] Yeah, it's terribly rude of him. How would he like it if those boats puked on him. [15:40] one did once. :( [15:40] diesel, all over me :( [15:40] :( [16:20] dont we have an op or 2 that maintains ubuntuforums [16:21] gnomefreak: the channel or the forums themselves? [16:21] forums them selves [16:21] Price-y, mac-o [16:22] * txwikinger sends popey(e) some spinach [16:22] there are alot of forums channels so i figured i would start here [16:24] Pici: ah nevermind i found what i was looking for [16:24] Okay! [19:56] tsimpson: are you one of ubottu maintainers? [20:04] gnomefreak: Yes. [20:04] jpds: you too? [20:05] Me, not so much. [20:05] !info galeon lucid [20:05] galeon (source: galeon): GNOME web browser for advanced users. In component universe, is optional. Version 2.0.7-1ubuntu4 (lucid), package size 530 kB, installed size 1480 kB [20:05] ^^^ outdated [20:05] we no longer have it [20:09] Just needs a cache update: this is likely a cronjob somewhere. [20:11] Seriously Launchpad, make it easy to find why a package was deleted by default. [20:11] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/galeon - no info [20:11] But it's secret :) [20:12] https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/galeon - no info. [20:12] Dormant upstream, effort to maintain due to xulrunner (LP: #553049) [20:12] Launchpad bug 553049 in galeon "Remove galeon from archive" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/553049 [20:12] (from https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/galeon/+publishinghistory ) [20:12] Aha, le +publishinghistory. [20:17] upstream no longer maintaining it AFIK [20:21] oh wow. galeon still existed? [20:24] aww.. dillo isn't published anymore either [20:24] lucid: now with fewer browsers :) [20:28] oh and kazehakase was also removed some time ago [21:06] helo [21:06] AcePreshaw: Hi, how can we help you today? [21:07] can i be a op im ubnutu? [21:08] or here [21:09] lets have a look at your history [21:10] in [21:10] AcePreshaw: We actually just finished our recruiting drive for new operators. So, we probably will not be looking for any for a bit. If we do, will will make an announcement on our mailing list: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-irc [21:10] im not in it [21:10] You can sign up, its open to anyone. [21:11] can i be a op [21:11] you're not a good listener [21:11] AcePreshaw: We are not currently looking for new operators. [21:11] :( [21:11] im too [21:12] AcePreshaw called the ops in #ubuntu-irc () [21:12] why did you do that [21:13] i want do look [21:13] a [21:13] what ? [21:14] AcePreshaw: is there anything else you need for the operator team at this time ? [21:14] im soz [21:15] no soz [21:15] AcePreshaw: ok, well if you don't need anything more, could you please leave the channel as this channel has a no idle policy so that users with a problem can be helped [21:16] ok bye [21:16] bye [21:17] what does soz mean? [21:17] 'sorry' [21:17] I think... [21:17] ah [21:17] it's so clear now! [21:18] like what [21:18] is [21:20] okay, now I'm really going afk [21:21] have fun