=== cpg|brb is now known as cpg [00:28] new web UI is a big +1 for me so far [00:50] hi [00:50] i have problems with beta2 10.04 and ubuntu one [00:50] can somebody help me? [00:51] slaike: I think it might be a bit late. Try tomorrow few hours earlier [00:51] slaike: You should get your help then :) [00:52] ok, thanks a lot [00:52] :) [00:52] good night [00:52] slaike: Ah.. I'm just a user, so I'm not competent to help.. [00:52] Have a good night :) [00:52] bye [00:52] bye :) [00:52] honk [00:52] u could try that :D [00:53] slaike: what is the problem [00:53] hi [00:53] well, i have the new beta2 of 10.04 [00:54] i try add my computer for ubuntu one [00:54] but in all puts "Unknown" [00:54] ok [00:54] slaike: did you have Ubuntu One on this computer before [00:54] no [00:54] never [00:54] i've installed yesterday [00:55] slaike: when you first ran Ubuntu One did the website open asking you to add your computer? [00:55] no [00:55] slaike: do you use a proxy, or are you behind a corporate firewall? [00:55] brings a web page with my accounts settings [00:55] ok [00:56] no, its a direct adsl [00:56] https://one.ubuntu.com/machines do you see your machine [00:56] i've searched the button for add computer but i dont found it [00:57] oops wrong url [00:57] We couldn't find that (404) [00:57] its the error that show me [00:58] this is it: https://one.ubuntu.com/account/machines/ [00:58] ok [00:58] ou haven't added any computers or devices to your Ubuntu One account. [00:58] To get started please visit the installation details. [00:59] i've followed before this steps but show me the same page [00:59] im trying again [01:00] slaike: you should just have to open Ubuntu One from the Me Menu [01:00] Ubuntu One is already installed in Lucid [01:01] yes, but dont recognice my account [01:01] how i can say to ubuntu one my acount? [01:02] slaike: can you open Applications->Accessories->Passwords and Encryption Keys [01:03] Click on the arrow next to "Passwords" and see if there is an Ubuntu One Token [01:04] ok, i can open pass and encryption keys [01:04] but isn't there ubuntu one token [01:05] ok you can close that then [01:05] ok, its closed [01:06] ok close Ubuntu oNe preferences if it is open [01:06] then open a Terminal [01:07] Applications > Accessories terminal [01:07] yes, i do it [01:07] ok run: u1sdtool -q [01:07] to quit the syncdaemon [01:07] then run: ps uaxxc | grep ubu [01:08] that will tell us if any other Ubuntu One processes are running [01:08] you might see ubuntuone-login? [01:08] shows me an error [01:08] with ulsdtool - q [01:09] To get started please visit the installation details. [01:09] sorry [01:09] No command 'ulsdtool' found, did you mean: [01:09] ok, now [01:10] that is a one not L [01:10] u1sdtool -q [01:10] ohhh sorry [01:10] :( [01:10] :) [01:10] happens all the time [01:11] ubuntuone-syncdaemon stopped. [01:11] ok now then run: ps uaxxc | grep ubu [01:11] and see if any processes show up [01:11] angel 2894 0.4 1.0 44448 22296 ? S 01:14 0:14 ubuntuone-login [01:12] that shows me [01:12] ok run : killall ubuntuone-login [01:12] do it [01:12] oh and one other question Firefow is your default browser? [01:12] Firefox* [01:12] yes [01:12] ok [01:12] is firefox [01:13] no try and open Ubuntu One from the Me Menu or System > Preferences > Ubuntu One [01:13] now* [01:13] i am having an awful time typing [01:14] does it open a browser window? [01:15] yes [01:15] iand i 've add mycomputer [01:15] buat [01:15] but [01:15] :) [01:15] ok [01:16] thats go!! [01:16] thanks a lot!! [01:16] \o/ [01:16] i was thinking that i go crazy [01:16] jaja [01:16] you work for ubuntu? [01:17] no I am just a user. I like the program so I help out when possible [01:17] the developers are really nice and they let me idle around and learn what i can. [01:18] well, so you learn so good [01:18] :) [01:18] well, that i say, thank you very much, now i know that ubuntu is better than windows [01:19] the community is the key :) [01:19] if you need anything else come back by [01:19] it is [01:19] thank you [01:19] your welcome [01:19] have a nice day or night, depends [01:19] jeje [01:19] ha ha [01:19] cya [01:19] bye [01:30] duanedesign: that was nice of you. I had to code a task for physics (pendulum that is), and I doubted if I could help slaike. [01:30] indeed the ubuntu community is unique. and that I have seen for long now. [01:31] goodnight :) [01:56] good night mkarnicki === cpg is now known as cpg|biab [05:04] hello guys [05:04] Is there a way to delete my entire ubuntuone [05:04] I'm having so many problems [05:05] that I want to start over on the next release of ubuntu [05:05] hello marcosroriz [05:05] hello :) [05:07] marcosroriz: this might be what you are looking for. https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+faq/778 [05:08] actually I wish to delete all the files [05:08] :3 [05:08] oh [05:08] IT seems that I can do that on the web ui === cpg|biab is now known as cpg [06:06] Hi are there any translations of the site of Ubuntu One ? [06:20] philien, that is a good question [07:15] honk [08:43] Hello Everyone. Two questions, how do you know if your Firefox bookmarks have synchronized? And, is there a way to know which files you've published? === cpg is now known as cpg|away [10:31] we are oopsing on every page, checking why [12:30] this is a long shot, but... is there an OS X client? [12:32] hello jml [12:32] hi [12:36] jml: I am not sure if anyone is working on a OS X port [12:37] fair enough. [12:37] I would have been surprised, myself [12:38] jml: i've heard talk of work being done on a windows port... [13:05] * beuno pokes jml away with his ubuntu-only stick [13:06] verterok, it looks like syncdaemon started to have problems with uploading updated content [13:07] verterok, exceptions - http://paste.ubuntu.com/419810/ syncdaemon.log - http://paste.ubuntu.com/419811/ [13:19] hm, tomboy and bad request... [13:22] vds: ping [13:24] tomboy sync oopses server on upload. what's happening?.. [13:33] :( [13:33] now I've fired up my ubuntu one preferences and it won't let me do anything :\ [13:34] jml, what does it say? [13:35] rye, I've killed it now -- sorry. It had the default tab open and no obvious message. [13:35] * jml tries again [13:36] "Ubuntu One Preferences", 0.0 KB used (0.0 %), Disconnected, Account tab open, Name: Unknown, Email: Unknown, Current plan: Free [13:36] Links below: Upgrade your subscription, Manage account, Support options [13:36] There's a Close button at the bottom right [13:37] Clicking the tabs, links, the Close button and the window close button do nothing [13:37] If I minimize and then restore, none of the UI controls display [13:38] strace says: futex(0x332ce90, FUTEX_WAIT_PRIVATE, 2, NULL [13:40] gdb says [13:40] http://paste.ubuntu.com/419831/ [13:40] (sorry, pystack seems to be borked) [13:41] note that the window is not going grey, nor am I seeing any unusual network, memory or CPU activity on my system monitors [13:44] jml, could you please kill ubuntuone-preferencse and start gdb python and set args /usr/bin/ubuntuone-preferences ? [13:44] it looks like it just hangs [13:44] but it should not [13:45] rye, I've done that. want me to start stepping? [13:46] jml, just run it [13:46] and ctrl+c when it hangs... [13:46] if it can be ctr+c'ed [13:47] rye, http://paste.ubuntu.com/419836/ [13:47] o_O [13:47] jml, what is your distro version and ubuntuone-client version ? [13:48] rye, lucid beta [13:48] Version: 1.2.0-0ubuntu1 [13:49] dobey, have you seen something like this - http://paste.ubuntu.com/419836/ ( AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'MODAL' ) [13:51] no [13:52] oh bother [13:53] PaulGit: hello! [13:53] dobey, I'm guessing that should be gtk.DIALOG_MODAL ? [13:53] probably [13:54] Chipaca: ^ [13:54] * dobey wonders if there is a bug for that yet [13:55] vat? ve'er? [13:56] * Chipaca looks [13:56] that's ... weird [13:56] I *know* I've used it, tested it, apparently with that there [13:56] (according to bzr blame, at least) [13:57] Chipaca: http://pygtk.org/docs/pygtk/gtk-constants.html [13:57] dobey: I *know* it's gtk.DIALOG_MODAL [13:57] Chipaca: yeah, it's from your "fix a bunch of stuff" branch [13:57] heh [13:57] I'm wondering how that ever worked [13:57] or, wtf I was testing when I tested it [13:57] * Chipaca gets super worried [13:57] dobey: can u fix plz? [13:58] vds: Hi mate, just wondering if you are ready for me to do anymore testing? [13:58] Bookmark backups still dont work. My firefox bookmarks on another lucid still empty. files/folders are syncn fine.. [13:58] Chipaca: yeah, i would just like a crit bug to --fixes= with it [13:58] PaulGit: yes please :) [13:58] Chipaca: because we obviously need to get that into lucid also [13:59] * rye swtiches from nightlies to stable [13:59] vds: OK, will go through same test as before and attach results to bug. Will ping you here also. [13:59] dobey: obviously [14:00] dobey: there's a bug about this already, I imagine? [14:01] Chipaca: i don't know. rye, jml? is there a bug for this already? [14:01] dobey, I haven't filed one [14:02] dobey: if you can get a bug, and would rather I crit it, ping me with the bug# [14:02] dobey: I'm running in too many directions right now to be of much more use than that :-/ [14:02] (comments about me not being much use in general shall be ignored) [14:02] Chipaca: i got it. just wanted to point you at your broken code :) [14:03] dobey: thanks. The awesome is that I did manual testing of the whole thing before proposing, and it worked (?!?), and then it got through not two but three peer reviews [14:04] well the unit tests don't test the dialog instantiation [14:05] aha, I need to get error dialog somehow [14:05] jml, what is in your ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon-exceptions.log ? [14:06] 2010-04-21 12:34:29,105 - ubuntuone.SyncDaemon.ActionQueue - ERROR - OAuth failed: AUTHENTICATION_FAILED [14:06] that's it [14:06] jml, u1sdtool --status ? [14:07] gimme a sec [14:07] booking flight and don't want session to time out [14:09] rye bug 567223 [14:09] Launchpad bug 567223 in ubuntuone-client "crashes after clicking manage account" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567223 [14:10] PaulGit: thanks [14:11] rye, http://paste.ubuntu.com/419846/ [14:11] rye, sorry about the delay [14:11] jml, hm... does u1sdtool --connect trigger anything ? [14:12] rye, it doesn't do anything obvious -- what am I looking for? [14:12] duanedesign, thanks, however I don't seem to be able to reproduce it so easily... dobey, bug 567223 [14:12] Launchpad bug 567223 in ubuntuone-client "crashes after clicking manage account" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567223 [14:12] syncdaemon-exceptions.log still the same [14:12] jml, it might open a new tab in your browser, depending on the browser (could not make it work with opera so far) [14:12] rye, I'm running chrome [14:13] rye: running from source tree, without ubuntuone-client installed, and without ubuntuone-syncdaemon running, should net the error easily [14:13] rye, nothing in my browser [14:13] jml, that should work fine. However, could you please do u1sdtool --quit and kill ubuntuone-login, then run ubuntuone-preferences again [14:13] oh nice [14:13] there are two bugs there [14:14] rye, done that. same behaviour. [14:18] rye, also, same error when run in gdb [14:25] rebuilding tomboy with debug, something's wrong with oauth [14:32] ok. I've subscribed to the quoted bug [14:32] is there anything else I can do to help right now? [14:34] jml, well, while that is a bug as well, that does not actually affect syncing, could you please remove ubuntuone token from seahorse and restart ubunutone-preferences ? [14:34] * rye debugs tomboy [14:34] * rye debugs server side using tomboy :) [14:35] rye, no need to kill syncdaemon or anything? [14:35] jml, you can do u1sdtool --quit to be sure [14:38] rye, ok. prefs window now works. it pops up a new tab on another desktop. I appear to be signed in OK on the web. [14:38] ... have connected my computer "Synchronization in progress" still [14:41] I'm going to leave it there. [14:41] rye, ping me if you need any more info from me [14:44] jml, you can see the queues as u1sdtool --waiting-meta and u1sdtool --waiting-content [14:45] rye, the former just says "Query" 23 times [14:45] jml, it queries the status of 23 objects on the server [14:45] (but I'm sensing an implicit message here, "u1sdtool is your debugging friend" [14:45] ) [15:15] are we sendign X-Oops-Id for all parts of UI? Will tomboy receive these? [15:15] https://lp-oops.canonical.com/oops.py/?oopsid=Id [15:35] WHAT? [15:35] "Could not save note record" is all that the server could reply with... [15:35] no oops id, nothing! [15:58] facundobatista, hi, may I steal some 10 minutes of your precious time regarding syncdaemons' 'Invalid in state' ? [16:25] nessita, may i annoy you with syncdaemon's "invalid in state" ? [16:29] rye, please! do you have logs? [16:29] facundobatista, exceptions - http://paste.ubuntu.com/419810/ syncdaemon.log - http://paste.ubuntu.com/419811/ [16:29] facundobatista, it happens pretty much every time something is being edited in Ubuntu One directory. [16:30] rye, edited with what? [16:30] rye, with vim [16:31] facundobatista, these logs are for vim, yesterday I tried gedit'ing the web page in ubuntuone ( http://ubuntuone.com/p/ky/ ) - it took me an hour to find out that once it says "Invalid in state" it does not sync that file [16:31] rye, would you mind to open a bug, in critical, assign to me, and attach these logs? thanks! [16:32] facundobatista, just to make sure I am not missing something obvious - it looks like in state actually matches that is printed as "should be", rigt? [16:33] rye, the problem is that we're ignoring some of the files that vim created, so we receive a FS_FILE_CREATE for a file we do have [16:33] hmmm [16:33] so ignored files are still being processed? [16:33] ok, collecting fresh logs [16:42] rye: do you have any ideas on why this user is seeing untrusted certificates in their browser when trying to login to u1? https://answers.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntuone-client/+question/107936 [16:47] joshuahoover, hm, maybe he is missing ca-certificates package? [16:47] rye: facundobatista will deal with that :-) [16:47] rye: yeah, not sure [16:48] joshuahoover, however it is hard to not have it installed, it is needed by *-desktop packages, openssl, libcurl3... pretty much a lot of packages.. [16:49] rye: it has me scratching my head, thus i turn to you :) [17:01] FYI to anyone who was helping me yesterday. The song finally went through, AND for whatever reason today, both of my Ubuntu machines are connecting to Ubuntu One just fine. [17:01] I'm assuming that is all due to changes made on the Ubuntu One side of things. [17:01] Regardless, I'm thankful. [17:06] facundobatista, bug #567953 [17:06] alecu, ^ [17:06] Launchpad bug 567953 in ubuntuone-client "ValueError: Incorrect out state when files are edited in Ubuntu One directory" [Critical,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567953 [17:12] Cajun_Lan_man, that's great news! thanks! [17:12] rye, thanks [17:12] aquarius, mattgriffin, ^ [17:15] alecu: the bug? is that related to the id3 tag update issue? [17:17] mattgriffin, no, it's just a happy user that he was able to get his songs unstuck. [17:18] alecu: oh cool :) happy users = good [17:18] Can someone tell me, because I'm a little confused. When I'm playing something from "purchased" in rythmbox, is it not actually located on my machine, but in my "Ubuntu One Cloud"? [17:18] I ask because I do not see the song in my music folder under my user files. [17:18] Cajun_Lan_man, it's been downloaded from the cloud into your computer [17:18] Where is it being stored? [17:19] Cajun_Lan_man, in ~/.ubuntuone/Purchased from Ubuntu One/ [17:22] Thanks. Also, I can't seem to actually see the file when browsing Ubuntu One in Firefox either. [17:22] I see there is a "user defined folders/Purchased from Ubuntu One" directory there, but it's empty. [17:33] Cajun_Lan_man, oh, you are looking at the web page, right? [17:33] right [17:35] For my storage status, I can tell by the size used that it's in there. Shouldn't I be able to see it? [17:35] Cajun_Lan_man, yes, it should show up there. Would you mind reloading the page in firefox, and trying to browse that folder again? [17:37] Folder is empty [17:54] vds: ping === beuno is now known as beuno-lunch [18:24] vds: Thunderbird funambol sync is crashing on me today :( === cpg|away is now known as cpg === beuno-lunch is now known as beuno [19:00] oopss === sandy|gnome is now known as GNOME|sandy [19:53] ping: beuno [19:54] beuno: ping even! [19:54] PaulGit, pong [19:55] beuno: Have you had any reports of the TB3 Funabol sync crashing when syncing to U1? I was trying to do some tests for vds today but Funambol sync crashes TB3. [19:57] PaulGit, bac was having issues, but that's all I know of [19:57] beuno, PaulGit: yes, i have the same problem [19:57] bac: Are you running TB3 64bit? [19:57] 32 [19:58] bac: OK, I won't try on my other machine then! [19:58] PaulGit, OTOH, it works well for me and others :) [19:58] just tried again and TB3 crashed instantly [19:58] beuno: can i clear out all of my data from U1 and start fresh? [19:59] beuno: What version of TB3 are you running? [19:59] PaulGit, whatever is in lucid [19:59] bac, yes you can, let me get you the instructions [19:59] PaulGit, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuOne/PhoneSync/ [19:59] bac: I have cleared everything out but to no avail :( [19:59] see "resetting contacts" [20:02] bac: Let me know how you get on. I cannot think that I have changed anything to cause this :( [20:06] beuno, quick question - is the choice of the phone make and model actually makes some adjustments in funambol? [20:06] rye, not at all [20:06] quick question about nautilus emblem refreshing: I cut/pasted 2 folders from my desktop into Ubuntu One folder. After syncing successfully, all files in both folders display the green checkmark emblem. However, one of the two folders is still showing ubuntuone-unsynchronized. ~/.cache/ubuntuone/log/syncdaemon.log shows the folder as having succefully synced. Why does the emblem not update? [20:07] tekstr1der, hm... folder emblems, I really need to check whether there is any signal for folder sync... hmm [20:09] one of the two did apply a synced checkmark, the other did not [20:14] beuno: i reset my contacts on the server and blew away my couchdb contact db. [20:14] beuno: i then synced my phone telling it to do 'phone to server'. it only seemed to push a few contacts [20:14] beuno: i then synced tbird and it worked! but only pulled down 5 contacts, in duplicate [20:15] beuno: any idea how to get the phone client to push them all again? [20:15] bac, delete everything all over again [20:15] and then there should be a "recover" open on your phone [20:15] that sends everything to the server blindly [20:15] that should do it [20:16] where would this 'recover' be? [20:16] on the iphone app, hopefully [20:16] we have yet to implement something that forces the device to forget it had ever synced [20:19] beuno: nope, no recover option [20:19] bac, so lets try to uninstall the app and reinstall [20:20] bac: I have been doing the clean up option on iPhone...it does wipe all your contacts though! [20:20] PaulGit: i'm not willing to try that [20:20] bac: Don't blame you! ;) [20:23] beuno: sending lots this time. :) [20:23] bac, \o/ [20:23] I smell success [20:24] beuno: after i clear my local couch db should i still have any contacts in my tbird personal addresss book? i do, which is unexpected [20:24] bac, yes, tb doesn't use couch [20:24] oh, ok [20:26] Just cleared everything out again and TB still crashing. I may try the 32bit version just to see if there is a difference. [20:36] hrm. ubuntuone has not synchronized my (user-defined) ~/Documents for a few days it seems. nautilus confirms it's not among the synced folders. as i try to sync, it simply refuses [20:40] u1sdtool seems to list it [20:43] what version of ubuntuone-client-gnome do you have installed? [20:46] dobey, 1.2.0-0ubuntu1 [20:47] looking at --waiting-content, no files from that folder are listed there. but i've been working, i swear! :) [20:47] so there definitely are new files [20:47] topyli: have you logged out and back in since upgrading to that version? [20:48] dobey, yes, i shutdown at nights, and there was no update today [20:48] topyli: ok, what does u1sdtool -s say? [20:49] description: processing queues, and queues: WORKING_ON_CONTENT [20:50] all the connection stuff looks ok [20:50] it's working because there is new stuff in another folder, which is working fine [20:50] hrmm, weird [20:51] agreed :) [20:51] verterok: ping [20:51] verterok: could you help topyli please? :) [20:51] what does the --refresh option do? is it safe to try and resync the entire folder? [20:52] i don't know. what does --help say it does? :) [20:53] it says "request a refresh", which is not very --helpful :) [20:53] dobey: let me read the backlog [20:53] topyli: i guess it might force a server rescan, and a local rescan perhaps [20:54] so it might help. but hopefully verterok can help you :) [20:54] topyli: refresh will force a query to the server and start up/downloading new/changed files in that folder [20:54] s/folder/directory [20:55] topyli: what's the output of: u1sdtool --list-folders? plase use pastebin.ubuntu.com [20:56] just a sec [20:57] http://paste.ubuntu.com/420023/ [20:58] * topyli installs pastebinit [20:58] verterok, oh and thanks for showing up :) [20:58] topyli: :) [20:59] topyli: looks like you'r not subsribed to the ~/Documents UDF, so syncdaemon don't sync it :) [20:59] topyli: try this: u1sdtool --subscribe-folder=19cb35e5-4604-4f95-83f0-1406a0f4845a [21:02] verterok, done. so i guess i should see stuff in --waiting-content shortly? [21:02] topyli: yes [21:02] verterok, and indeed i do! [21:03] cool :) [21:03] thanks a lot, the folder seems to be syncing and i'm a little bit smarter now to boot! [21:04] topyli: same for ~/Templates, isn't subscribed [21:04] ah, i'll fix that too [21:04] didn't notice anything since it almost never changes :) === niels_ is now known as NielsE [21:07] since the alpha's of karmic I have not been able to get ubuntuone working properly [21:07] at the moment I've got Lucid, and I just removed all the caches, config files, purged ubuntuone and installed it again [21:08] with lucid, how do you add your account to ubuntu one? [21:08] I have an account, I click manage account in the ubuntu one preferences [21:08] maybe I'll check out the issues [21:08] hmm [21:08] I click manage account, chrome opens the login panel [21:08] my cache log only sais: "state: I login... and then that's it [21:09] NoobFukaire: it should be logged in at that point [21:09] there's no way to setup the login credentials with the ubuntu one client??? [21:09] NoobFukaire: were you ever prompted to "add your computer" to your ubuntu one account via your web browser? [21:09] does it work with chrome? [21:09] no [21:09] is it a popup? [21:10] I think I might have declined a popup when logging in, though I'm not sure [21:10] let me log out and try again [21:10] I'm in lucid btw [21:10] NoobFukaire: it should just popup in your web browser, if your browser is open, then it will likely be a new tab there [21:12] joshuahoover: do you know what the state "connection 'Not User With Network'" is? it seems to hang there [21:13] NielsE: i believe it means it thinks there isn't a network connection...maybe nessita or facundobatista would know better? ^^ [21:13] joshuahoover: hmm k, that's a weird error.. [21:13] it sais that exactly every 2 minutes [21:14] yeah I'm never prompted to add my computer [21:14] this should be called ubuntu pos [21:15] NoobFukaire, maybe you have a stale ubuntuone token from previous attempts stored in gnome-keyring [21:15] NoobFukaire: can you close the ubuntu one preferences window and then from a terminal session (applications->accessories->terminal) try: ubuntuone-preferences [21:15] topyli: good point [21:16] just crossed my mind, because i had the same problem at some point :) [21:16] NoobFukaire: you can also look at applications->accessories->passwords and encryption keys and then see if there is an "ubuntu one token" under passwords there [21:16] topyli: :) [21:16] okay thanks I'll check it out [21:17] NielsE, it's in "not user": you need to tell ubuntuone-client to connect [21:17] joshuahoover, ^ [21:17] facundobatista: thanks :) [21:17] facundobatista: now i know too [21:18] nothing [21:18] same deal :( [21:18] is ubuntu one compatible with chrome [21:18] maybe I'll trying with FF [21:18] NoobFukaire: no error message? [21:19] nope [21:19] NoobFukaire: if you try this from a terminal session: xdg-open https://one.ubuntu.com/ [21:19] I login fine, I can see my ubuntuone options, etc in the web browser [21:19] NoobFukaire: did you have an ubuntu one token in your passwords and encryption keys? [21:20] nope nothing was there about ubuntu one [21:20] NoobFukaire: it would've been under the passwords tab and under "passwords: default" [21:20] NoobFukaire: does the last command i sent you open the web site in chrome? xdg-open https://one.ubuntu.com/ [21:21] I changed my browser preference to ff, clicked manage account, logged into ubuntu one in firefox [21:21] and nothing [21:22] but it's not worth all this trouble, I think I'll just write off ubuntu one for now [21:22] thanks for the help though [22:09] Howdy. Is this a good place to ask about Desktop Couch? [22:10] mrevell, only if CardinalFang or thisfred are around [22:11] mrevell: hi! what is the nature of your inquiry? :) [22:12] IOW: ask away! [22:13] Heh howdy :) [22:13] thanks [22:14] thisfred, Hey, so, I've done a bit of SQL in the past and, beuno will probably tell you, I'm not a developer. [22:14] * CardinalFang ducks. [22:15] thisfred, I'm writing my first little programme using Desktop Couch. If I want to retrieve a record using anything other than its _id, do I have to create a view? [22:15] right, couchdb is a little different, but desktopcouch tries to make it as easy as possible [22:16] mrevell: yes, basically. You can loop through all records, and halt when you find the right one, but obviously that's gonna be a lot less efficient [22:16] views are like sql queries, except they always have to be stored in the database beforehand [22:17] thisfred, I see. So, from what I've read it seems like for most ordinary functions I'll only need map and not reduce. Does that sound right? I'm struggling to see where I'd use "reduce". [22:17] (technically they don't, you can create views on the fly, but those are very inefficient, and hence discouraged) [22:18] mrevell: right, reduce is only needed when you want to count or group things, or find the maximum value, that kind of thing. If you simply want to find a record or set of records by value, you'll only need a map [22:20] Thanks thisfred. My only concern is this idea of creating views in advance. So, for example, in my little programme I want to look up a podcast in the db based on whether it matches the supplied URL. If my view has to be in the db beforehand, I'm concerned that I can't simply look for a podcast on the fly. It's likely I'm misunderstanding something here, like I say, I'm new to this :) [22:39] mrevell: yeah, so the view is like an "index" in the SQL world: you don't have to tell it in advance *which* url you're going to be looking for, you can just create a view that gets podcasts by their url [22:39] and then call that view with key=[the url you're looking for] === cpg is now known as cpg|away [22:41] ah thanks thisfred. I may ask you or aquarius some more tomorrow, if that's okay :) [22:41] mrevell: sure, no problem, if I'm busy I might not respond instantly [22:41] but never hesitate to ask! [22:41] Thanks :) === cpg|away is now known as cpg