[01:26] <rlameiro> holstein, is your meeting over?
[01:26] <rlameiro> :D _guitarman_ over here :DDDD
[03:50] <_guitarman_> anyone doing ubuntustudio qa image installs using unetbootin on usb stick?
[03:50] <_guitarman_> hi rlameiro
[03:50] <holstein> is it failing?
[03:50] <holstein> looking for the CD?
[03:51] <holstein> that alternate installer fails for me with unetbootin
[03:51] <_guitarman_> holstein: nope
[03:51] <_guitarman_> i haven't tried it
[03:51] <holstein> let me know if it works
[03:51] <_guitarman_> my p4 doesn't have a dvd drive
[03:51] <_guitarman_> thats the issue
[03:52] <holstein> that step where it locates the install media
[03:52] <_guitarman_> im not certain it will boot usb either
[03:52] <rlameiro> _guitarman_, there is no ubuntustudio unebootin AFAIK
[03:52] <_guitarman_> rlameiro: unetbootin allows you to pick any iso
[03:52] <holstein> DUDE
[03:52] <rlameiro> http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/ubuntustudio/all
[03:52] <rlameiro> we need to test all the cases in there :D
[03:52]  * holstein passes _guitarman_ a DVD drive
[03:53] <rlameiro> _guitarman_, i just made a ubuntustudio livedvd
[03:53] <holstein> w00t
[03:53] <rlameiro> burned it and before going to bed i will test it
[03:53] <holstein> with UCK right?
[03:53] <_guitarman_> rlameiro: my case was going to be manual partition since nobody had done it
[03:53] <rlameiro> altough i need to edit some things before, because jack doesnt strts in realtime
[03:53] <_guitarman_> rlameiro: cool
[03:56]  * _guitarman_ needs desert
[03:56] <_guitarman_> but sees none
[03:57] <tucemiux> you went to the wrong channel O_o
[03:57] <holstein> you need a toaster waffle _guitarman_
[03:58] <_guitarman_> heheh i wish
[03:58] <_guitarman_> holstein: where did the unetbootin fail on install
[03:58] <_guitarman_> when it checked the cd?
[03:58] <holstein> yup
[03:58] <_guitarman_> thats where my debian install failed for ...
[03:58] <_guitarman_> ah
[03:58] <_guitarman_> i will probably experience the same
[03:58] <_guitarman_> shizzle
[03:59] <holstein> that happened for me with ubuntustudio
[03:59] <holstein> karmic
[03:59] <holstein> and crunchbang
[03:59] <holstein> with that new debian text installer
[03:59] <holstein> OR old rather
[03:59] <holstein> new to #!
[03:59] <_guitarman_> i think i tried the dvd drive sitting around here once but it didn't work inside the pc or something... if this p4 boots usb, perhaps my ide to usb adapter will allow me to boot it of the dvd that way
[04:00] <_guitarman_> needs to be an ubuntustudio netinstall
[04:00] <_guitarman_> for those with p4's and cd drivbes
[04:00] <holstein> for those with USB boot who just feel like it
[04:00] <_guitarman_> yeah
[04:00] <_guitarman_> that wopudl be a nice thing.. a usb image
[04:00] <_guitarman_> .img
[04:00] <_guitarman_> dd it
[04:00] <holstein> up
[04:00] <holstein> yup*
[04:01] <holstein> the easypeasy guys had a hybrid iso
[04:01] <holstein> you could burn it, or DD it
[04:01] <tucemiux> you need a DVD burner, they're cheap nowadays
[04:02] <holstein> DUDE, i literally trip on one downstairs
[04:02] <holstein> i wish i could hand it to you :)
[04:03] <_guitarman_> holstein: i have one on my newer box with slack
[04:03] <_guitarman_> but i dont want to wipe that box to try ubuntu studio
[04:03] <_guitarman_> its got no spare partitions and i worked hard to get slack rockin on it
[04:03] <_guitarman_> its my podcasting box
[04:04] <_guitarman_> the p4 is a test box
[04:04] <_guitarman_> i'll try cracking the case to see if this spare drive works - its dvd
[04:04] <_guitarman_> but i think it wouldn't write or something ... dunno - there's a reason i labeled it with 'not sure if its fully funcitons'
[04:05] <_guitarman_> that said - i think there must be some way of making the usb look like the cd drive - like some param you could pass at some point
[04:05] <_guitarman_> but ... dunno
[04:06] <holstein> you could borrow the drive from the slack box
[04:07] <holstein> i got a asus barebones build
[04:07] <holstein> its only got 1 ide slot
[04:07] <holstein> SO i put a HD and DVD drive in to install
[04:07] <holstein> and then put 2 HD's in it
[04:08] <holstein> it doesnt do USB boot
[04:09] <rlameiro> well guys cya tomorrow
[04:09] <holstein> gn rlameiro
[04:09] <rlameiro> will test the live now and tomorrow i will give some info
[04:10] <holstein> i have to borrow a drive from something to install on that box
[04:10] <_guitarman_> yeah - i'll need to crack the case
[04:10] <_guitarman_> i'll do that when kids are in bed - or make a start on it before
[04:34] <_guitarman_> cd is burning on the p4 dvd burner i connected up on the p4 ... not sure if it will work
[04:35]  * _guitarman_ is on the edge of his seat ... but has to put his son to bed 1st
[04:35] <holstein> it has to work :)
[04:35] <holstein> your the boss
[05:31] <_guitarman_> lol
[05:31] <_guitarman_> we shall see
[05:31] <_guitarman_> checking
[05:31] <holstein> woot
[05:32] <holstein> im trying UCK too
[05:41] <_guitarman_> nope failed hardware
[05:41] <_guitarman_> that dvd drive wont write
[05:41] <_guitarman_> and it may have ruined the dvd
[05:41] <_guitarman_> testing it on slackbox
[05:41] <holstein> dammit
[05:41] <_guitarman_> this is why i dont enjoy dealing with hardware
[05:43]  * holstein is out
[05:43] <holstein> laterz
[05:46] <_guitarman_> laterz
[15:02] <sib> Hello, there. I just had two days worth (ca. 8hrs/day) of recording a big band (26 channels) in ardour with flawless performance (no xruns). Today I had to send everyone home early due to recurring xrun problems. Machine has not been updated for several days. Any ideas?
[15:57] <holstein> hey sib
[15:58] <holstein> sib: what interface are you using?
[15:59] <sib> holstein: RME 9652
[15:59] <holstein> karmic?
[15:59] <sib> holstein: yup
[15:59] <holstein> thats strange
[15:59] <holstein> and as far as you know
[15:59] <holstein> there are no differences
[15:59] <holstein> if setup or software
[15:59] <holstein> in setup*
[16:00] <sib> holstein: exactly. I've specifically been avoiding changing anything during the week of sessions
[16:00] <sib> holstein: every tune even uses the same template...
[16:00] <holstein> did you look at you jack setting?
[16:01] <holstein> your*
[16:01] <sib> holstein: All the same...
[16:01] <holstein> i dont konw how those would get changed anyways
[16:01] <holstein> what about the medium your recording too?
[16:01] <holstein> IF you were tracking to a USB drive
[16:01] <sib> holstein: the one thing that might be different, but I've no way of checking now, would be which order the sound cards get loaded.
[16:01] <holstein> and sending more data than the BUS can handle
[16:02] <sib> holstein: eSATA
[16:02] <holstein> well...
[16:02] <holstein> thats that theory
[16:02] <holstein> did you run uname -a ?
[16:02] <sib> holstein: I started ardour in the terminal but get no information during the xruns.
[16:02] <holstein> just to make sure you were booting a realtime kernel?
[16:03] <holstein> i assume you restarted a bunch
[16:03] <holstein> and prayed ;)
[16:03] <sib> Linux linuxdaw 2.6.31-9-rt #152-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Thu Oct 15 13:22:24 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[16:03] <holstein> well, a grub error is probably not the issue either then...
[16:03] <holstein> hmmm
[16:04] <sib> holstein: I did after a while. no difference. until now, when everyone is gone, I've been recording all 26 tracks for 90 minutes with no xruns
[16:04] <holstein> OH
[16:04] <holstein> so its a ghost in the machine then
[16:04] <holstein> strange
[16:04] <holstein> its usually all or nothing for me
[16:04] <holstein> IF your tracking live, and not overdubbing
[16:04] <holstein> you can relax your JACK settings
[16:05] <sib> holstein: yeah. really weird. I've been confidence testing for the past week with no problems.
[16:05] <holstein> i usually have 2 or 3 profiles of different latency settings
[16:05] <sib> holstein: all live, with hardware monitoring anyway, so I was using a 512 buffer.
[16:05] <holstein> one for mixing, where the latency is like 100ms +
[16:05] <holstein> and one for tracking down around 2ms
[16:06] <holstein> sib: you might want to bump it up
[16:06] <sib> holstein: when things started getting weird, I bumped it to 1024, and it seemed to get worse, but that was just a feeling. certainly not better.
[16:06] <holstein> it wont hurt anything
[16:06] <holstein> OH
[16:06] <holstein> hmmm
[16:06] <sib> holstein: what card are you using?
[16:06] <holstein> im wondering if this isnt a hardware issue
[16:06] <holstein> have you contacted RME?
[16:07] <holstein> ive heard they are VERY linux supportive
[16:07] <holstein> sib: i got a presonux firepod
[16:07] <holstein> 8 channels firewire
[16:07] <sib> holstein: no, not yet. I can't really tell them anything, because I can't reproduce the problem.
[16:07] <sib> holstein: cool. FFADO?
[16:07] <holstein> yeah
[16:08] <holstein> it use to be a pain in the ass
[16:08] <holstein> but the new FFADO supports it out of the box
[16:08] <sib> holstein: with freebob, you mean?
[16:08] <holstein> well, even the last freeebob wasnt bad
[16:08] <holstein> the later releases
[16:09] <holstein> presonus is not very friendly with linuxx support AFAIK
[16:09] <holstein> sib: i gotta run, but let me send you to #opensourcemusicians
[16:10] <holstein> sometimes this channel can be a little slow
[16:16] <sib> holstein: thanks!
[17:10] <atok> How can i change number of workspaces in Ubuntustudio ?
[17:21] <holstein> hey atok
[17:21] <holstein> karmic?
[17:21] <holstein> ubuntu studio install?
[17:22] <holstein> what i usually do on my studio boxes is...
[17:22] <atok> karmic
[17:22] <holstein> i add the workspace switcher applet to the gnome panel
[17:22] <holstein> just right click on some empty space
[17:23] <atok> !!! :D
[17:23] <holstein> select add to panel
[17:23] <atok> problem solved :D
[17:23] <atok> thx :D :D
[17:23] <holstein> atok: COOL
[17:23] <holstein> you can change the number of workspaces by right-clicking on the workspace switcher
[17:24] <holstein> and going to preferences
[17:24] <atok> :)
[17:24] <holstein> on my audio box, i like to have 6 or 8 workspaces, so the switcher is handy for me
[17:24] <atok> done. :)
[17:24] <holstein> :)
[17:25] <holstein> atok: check out #opensourcemusicians if you get a chance
[17:26] <atok> thanks for your guidance :)
[17:26] <atok> bye :)
[17:26] <holstein> anytime
[18:53] <MichalPenka> Hi guys, I wanted to ask whether there's someone who could explain me how sound works in Ubuntu/Ubuntu Studio...
[18:54] <MichalPenka> I've read many articles about ALSA/PulseAudio/Jack...but I don't understand the hierarchy
[18:56] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: tuxradar.com
[18:56] <_guitarman_> on the main page there is linux audio explained
[18:57] <_guitarman_> i'm not the best to answer but it depends on the device you have
[18:57] <_guitarman_> hardware is first, then usually alsa then pulse audio or jack
[18:57] <MichalPenka> so what happens when I start jack?
[18:57] <MichalPenka> does it disable pulseaudio?
[18:57] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: usually
[18:57] <MichalPenka> thanks I'll have a look
[18:58] <MichalPenka> ok
[18:58] <MichalPenka> one more thing
[18:58] <MichalPenka> I'm a guitar player
[18:58] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: it looks like it will conhtinue that way until jack2
[18:58] <_guitarman_> is stabalized
[18:58] <MichalPenka> jack2?
[18:58] <MichalPenka> will it replace pulseaudio?
[18:58] <_guitarman_> nope
[18:58] <_guitarman_> pulseaudio is here to stay
[18:58] <_guitarman_> but l...
[18:58] <_guitarman_> pulseaudio will feed into jack
[18:59] <MichalPenka> ok, so it'll be the layer between alsa and pulse?
[18:59] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: it doesn't work very well at present feeding pulseaudio into jack
[18:59] <_guitarman_> there is work on enhanced co-operation
[18:59] <_guitarman_> but we aren't going to see it in this ubuntustudio 10.04
[18:59] <MichalPenka> I see
[18:59] <_guitarman_> more likely to see it all come together in the next releaswe
[19:00] <MichalPenka> ok
[19:00] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: that said, there is jack integration in many apps
[19:00] <MichalPenka> back to my guitar
[19:00] <MichalPenka> I'm going to buy some firewire sound car
[19:00] <MichalPenka> d
[19:00] <MichalPenka> which needs ffado drivers
[19:00] <_guitarman_> on my slackware audio box i dont have pulse installe.d.. i just have alsa and jack and my audactious etc has jack support and i can feed stuff into jack that way without pulse
[19:00] <_guitarman_> nice MichalPenka
[19:00] <_guitarman_> do your research though
[19:01] <MichalPenka> I'm not sure whether I need pulse at all
[19:01] <MichalPenka> but it seems to be incorporated in future distros
[19:01] <_guitarman_> it depends MichalPenka -  i wouldn't rip it out of ubuntu - its a bit of a hassle and usually gets out of the way of jack pretty well
[19:02] <_guitarman_> but on slackware, it never came with it, so it was easy to leave it out
[19:02] <MichalPenka> hm
[19:02] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: don't rip it out unless its getting in the way
[19:02] <_guitarman_> it works most of the time
[19:02] <MichalPenka> yes it does
[19:02] <MichalPenka> I'm happy with it while using "desktop apps"
[19:02] <_guitarman_> just my .02 cents
[19:02] <_guitarman_> yup ditto
[19:03] <MichalPenka> but when I want record my guitar, I'm confused a bit how it works
[19:03] <MichalPenka> now I'm more educated
[19:03] <MichalPenka> so if I want firewire card, I need jack..am I all right?
[19:04] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: if you fire up qjackctl it kicks pulseaudio to the corner - kills it, when qjackctl stop is pressed ,it relaunches it
[19:04] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: from what i understand, you don't use alsa for the firewire devices, you use ffado or freebob
[19:04] <_guitarman_> and jack runs ontop of either ffado or freebob
[19:04] <_guitarman_> jack is higher up in the stack
[19:04] <MichalPenka> ok, that explains why I can't play my backing tracks in rhythmbox while using jack
[19:05] <_guitarman_> yup - rhythmbox would need jack support
[19:05] <_guitarman_> audacious has it
[19:05] <_guitarman_> as does vlc
[19:05] <MichalPenka> I need rhythmbox because it has daap support
[19:05] <_guitarman_> there are jack plugins so that you can route them in qjackctl
[19:05] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: ah ... well i suppose then you will have to live with it as is if there is no jack plugin for rhythmbox
[19:06] <MichalPenka> hm...
[19:06] <_guitarman_> or if you have 2 soundcards - 1 internal 1 external then its a non issue
[19:06] <_guitarman_> desktop audio happens on the internal and recording only happens on the external\
[19:06] <MichalPenka> aha, that's the solution probably
[19:06] <MichalPenka> I've got laptop
[19:06] <MichalPenka> with Intel HDA
[19:06] <_guitarman_> but you can't route between those 2 audio cards
[19:06] <MichalPenka> which would do all the desktop apps things
[19:07] <MichalPenka> aha
[19:07] <MichalPenka> that's pity :/
[19:07] <_guitarman_> its a timing issue  - it never seem to work well
[19:07] <_guitarman_> so dont bother
[19:07] <_guitarman_> thats what i been led to believe
[19:08] <MichalPenka> hm...
[19:08] <MichalPenka> so when I buy this firewire card
[19:08] <MichalPenka> I can't use it for desktop things?
[19:09] <MichalPenka> because it uses jack only
[19:09] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: well again - that depends
[19:09] <_guitarman_> on my slackware system , i just disabled onboard audio
[19:09] <_guitarman_> and use my usb device exclusively
[19:10] <MichalPenka> but usb uses alsa?
[19:10] <_guitarman_> yes
[19:10] <MichalPenka> I think firewire needs ffado or freebob, which has jack as an only possible client
[19:11] <_guitarman_> yup
[19:11] <MichalPenka> but when I use jack, I can't do all the desktop things...rhythmbox, skype, totem, ...
[19:11] <MichalPenka> ok, doesn't mind
[19:11] <MichalPenka> it looks like it has no solution :/
[19:12] <MichalPenka> maybe I should buy two cards
[19:12] <MichalPenka> one USB for playback
[19:12] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: there is a solution as I said.  I get vlc and audacious going in
[19:12] <_guitarman_> and skype as well
[19:12] <_guitarman_> there is a lot of jack support in applications
[19:12] <_guitarman_> but you have to compile it in or add the plugin
[19:13] <_guitarman_> there may well be a plugin for rhythmbox for jack support-  i haven't looked
[19:13] <_guitarman_> because i use vlc
[19:13] <_guitarman_> or audacious
[19:13] <MichalPenka> I shall have a look
[19:13] <_guitarman_> but its really not hard to turn jack off when you don't want to record
[19:13] <_guitarman_> its not like its all or nothing
[19:13] <MichalPenka> yes, you're right
[19:13] <_guitarman_> there's even a jack plugin to play flash
[19:14] <MichalPenka> :) but why do we need pulseaudio then?
[19:14] <_guitarman_> pipemanmusic in #opensourcemusicians and I do a podcast using the jack plugin for skype ... it allows us to record our own voices locally in ardour as well as the other persons end of the skype call into its own track in ardour as well..
[19:14] <MichalPenka> (maybe I shall read the tuxradar stuff first)
[19:14] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: some people like being able to hear audio in 2 apps at a time
[19:15] <_guitarman_> but on a strictly mostly audio box, you may not need pulse... like i said, its not on my slackware box
[19:15] <MichalPenka> ok, but why does it come with modern distros?
[19:16] <_guitarman_> because slackware is a very conservative distro
[19:16] <MichalPenka> why don't we deploy jack instead of it?
[19:16] <_guitarman_> it may show up when its totally solid.
[19:16] <_guitarman_> jack needs routing
[19:16] <MichalPenka> aah, ok, so it's not user-friendly in this way
[19:17] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: http://opensourcemusician.com/index.php/Episode31
[19:17] <_guitarman_> we reported on this very suggestion
[19:18] <_guitarman_> see the section in the notes =- it starts with Pat's blog post of The Linux Link Tech show... read from that - we spoke to the jack developer on this issue
[19:18] <_guitarman_> he was of course diplomatic
[19:18] <MichalPenka> :D
[19:18] <MichalPenka> thanks for your links
[19:18] <_guitarman_> np
[19:18] <MichalPenka> I'll review it first I think
[19:18] <MichalPenka> ok
[19:19] <MichalPenka> one more (last) quetsion
[19:19] <MichalPenka> is there a difference between ubuntu studio and ubuntu audio setup?
[19:20] <_guitarman_> not sure i understand the phrasing of your question... are you saying how does ubuntustudio handle audio differently then regular ubuntu?
[19:20] <MichalPenka> yes, sorry, I'm czech :)
[19:20] <_guitarman_> no problem
[19:20] <_guitarman_> you guys have good cheap beer :)
[19:21] <MichalPenka> :D I drink one right now :D
[19:21] <MichalPenka> we've got the best beer
[19:21] <MichalPenka> :D
[19:22] <_guitarman_> well, here is where i'm not the expert, but from what i have seen as a user, less is differnet now since regular ubuntu on install of jack seems to ask you if you want to enable realtime support - whereas in the past you had to install ubuntustudio from cd to get these tweaks
[19:22] <_guitarman_> so you can get a similar thing just by using vanilla ubuntu lucid and installing the ubuntustudio packages
[19:22] <_guitarman_> that said - it may be different for ffado etc.
[19:22] <_guitarman_> i'm just speaking on alsa
[19:23] <MichalPenka> I was asked as well while doing an upgrade to Lucid
[19:23] <_guitarman_> yup exactly
[19:23] <MichalPenka> so does this mean I've got the real time kernel now?
[19:23] <_guitarman_> i did a full ubuntustudio install yesterday on a p4 - from the alternate install as a qsa test run.
[19:23] <MichalPenka> shall I enable it in jack configuration?
[19:23] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: nope - its not a realtime kernel
[19:23] <_guitarman_> just realtime support
[19:24] <MichalPenka> what's the difference?
[19:24] <_guitarman_> MichalPenka: the good thing these days is the support in the regular generic kernel is better then it has been in the past.
[19:24] <_guitarman_> it means there are less performance gains now between a generic kernel and an RT or realtime kernel
[19:24] <_guitarman_> you can probably get decent performance without the rt kernel
[19:25] <MichalPenka> aah, ok
[19:25] <_guitarman_> if you find you get xruns and latency isn't good, then trhow the rt kernel in
[19:25] <_guitarman_> try generic first
[19:25] <MichalPenka> I think I'm going to do a clean reinstall to ubuntu studio in a few days
[19:25] <MichalPenka> (when it's released)
[19:26] <MichalPenka> I've got the generic one now
[19:26] <MichalPenka> and it is quite nice
[19:26] <MichalPenka> with my Intel HDA I'm able to get about 10 ms
[19:26] <MichalPenka> without xruns
[19:28] <MichalPenka> OK _guitarman_, thnks for your information
[19:28] <MichalPenka> I'm going to read and listhen to the articles now
[19:28] <_guitarman_> thats pretty darned good MichalPenka
[19:28] <_guitarman_> enjoy
[19:28] <MichalPenka> have a nice evening
[19:28] <MichalPenka> thanks, bye ;)
[22:57] <rlameiro> hello all
[22:58] <rlameiro> people, sont forget
[22:58] <rlameiro> go to http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com and test ubuntu studio, try it on a spare machine
[22:58] <rlameiro> its only missing the encrypted test case on AM64