[01:26] <Sachse_Siechtum> anybody home?
[01:27] <cody-somerville> yup
[01:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> ok I cant open the tab "add/remove applications" all of a sudden
[01:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> so I'd like to know what the terminal command for this tab is
[01:28] <Sachse_Siechtum> because I cant find it in usr/share/applications
[01:29] <Sachse_Siechtum> is it gnome-app-install-xfce.desktop ?
[01:33] <Sachse_Siechtum> ah no its not
[01:44] <_Techie_> !aptitude
[01:44] <_Techie_> !synaptic
[01:57] <Aquina> n8
[04:09] <Guest24078> i'm on 9.10, and installed compiz, and turned on the cube desktop settings. but it hasn't done anything. how can i fix this?
[04:10] <Guest24078> i'm running a virtual machine, if that changes anything
[04:10] <Balsaq> what are your system specs Guest24078
[04:11] <Guest24078> on the actual computer?
[04:13] <Balsaq> do you have what it takes to run compiz
[04:17] <Balsaq> http://www.ubuntugeek.com/how-to-install-and-configure-compiz-fusion-in-ubuntu-9-10karmic.html
[04:18] <Balsaq> The Pre-requisites include
[04:18] <Balsaq> Proper drivers installed for your Intel,ATI or nVidia or Intel Graphics card.
[04:18] <Balsaq> If you are using ATI,Nvidia Display cards you can install drivers from System--->Administration--->Hardware Drivers to detect the graphic card and to install associated drivers.
[04:20] <Guest24078> i'm running in a virtual system on a macbook pro
[04:20] <Guest24078> i'm pretty sure i have the hardware for it
[04:21] <Balsaq> hmmm i know a good mac guy...he's in my channel. i wil lask him about this.
[04:21] <Guest24078> ok
[04:21] <Guest24078> because i don't have that menu option (System--->Administration)
[04:22] <Guest24078> also, everything i find tells me to just go into the settings and turn on the visual effects, but i can't do that. again, those options just don't exist.
[04:28] <Balsaq> hmmm i gotta a couple good MAc guys in there and they have fallen silent. must be a complex issue or they are scrambling for information as i am. while we all search for answers you may try youtube as i have seen some pretty awesome tutorials on compiz on youtube.
[04:29] <Guest24078> thanks
[04:29] <Guest24078> yeah, i've been trying that
[04:29] <Guest24078> nothing i can find is for this version of xubuntu, though, and hasn't really been working
[04:30] <Guest24078> i'm wondering if it might have to do with the version of xubuntu?
[04:31] <Balsaq> possibly...
[04:31] <Balsaq> i have seen many issues with 9.10 as i am in here a lot
[04:32] <Guest24078> i've been considering just switching to ubuntu, or downgrading the xubuntu
[04:34] <Balsaq> hmmm youtube seems to have good tuorials on mac with compiz on ubuntu 9.04
[04:37] <Balsaq> i dont like to mention t his too much in channel..but they are going to have to pry 9.04 from my clenched fists....i like it that much. i will keep it until i am forced to upgrade, which i think will be sometime this fall. Then i will do a clean reinstall with xubuntu 10.04.
[04:39] <Guest24078> yeah, i'm not liking 9.10 too much...
[04:41] <haywire> Hmmm what's better abt. 9.04?  As a linux (and xubuntu) newbie, I have started with 9.10 and have nothing to compare it to...
[04:42] <Guest24078> honestly, it might just have to do with the support available for it, but it's not big deal, really
[04:42] <Guest24078> it comes down to small details
[04:43] <Balsaq> yeah, was hoping someone who has done it would chime in by now.
[04:45] <Balsaq> not  sure why it appears to me that 904 is better, just my impression running my 904 and watching what goes on in here....and i am no expert. to combat my lack of knowledge i just run a straight xubuntu install, all by itself on the HD and never give  me any problem. runs the same everyday.
[04:49] <haywire> Compared to windoze, xubuntu 9.10 rocks...  I had a few hurdles right away to contend with that "broke me in hard", but was a learning experience.  The only thing left to conquer is printing to a shared printer on my network...
[04:49] <Guest24078> i'll be getting a new computer in the next few months, and i'm going to dual boot it to xubuntu or ubuntu (i still have to decide...)
[04:49] <Guest24078> yeah, i've had that same issue
[04:49] <Guest24078> i haven't been able to figure out the printing
[04:51] <haywire> I got CUPS to find the printer on my network, and it "wakes it up" but nothing prints, and it hangs the print spooler in my Vista , <uhggh> host machine.
[04:51] <Balsaq> my xubuntu computer works great with my HP color printer, but i could not get it to work with my ancient  epson laser printer.
[04:52] <haywire> I suppose I will experiment next by temporarily direct-connecting the HP printer (one of the most supported linux printers, I thought...) to my linux box, to see if it is a driver prob.
[04:52] <Guest24078> CUPS?
[04:53] <haywire> Common Unix Print Service.... I *think*... it comes preinstalled in xubuntu 9.10 and found my printer on my network with a search... but can't seem to drive it...
[04:54] <Guest24078> mine can't seem to find my printer at all
[04:55] <haywire> Is it a network, or local printer?
[04:56] <Guest24078> network
[04:57] <haywire> For me, hanging the print spooler in my host machine is worse than not working at all... brings all printing to a halt from any mach. on my network... spouse has a hissy fit..:-/  --- what brand printer?
[04:58] <Guest24078> HP
[04:59] <haywire> See... that is the puzzling part... I don't have any experience to help you, but everything I read says HP is well supported with the HPLIP driver pack, etc..
[05:00] <haywire> And we're both having issues with an HP printer....Hmmmm...
[05:01] <haywire> Guest24078:  Is your printer a connected to your network via ethernet, or indirectly, via a host machine ON your network?
[05:02] <Guest24078> ethernet
[05:03] <haywire> yikes, I would think that should be easier than what I'm trying to do...:-(
[05:11] <haywire> When I get some more time, I may try to enable the virtual LPD print server in my Vista machine, and try printing that way, instead of using SAMBA...especially if connecting the experiment of connecting the printer locally pans out...
[05:11] <haywire> Balsaq:  If you still around, can you tell me if your HP color printer was connected locally, or on your network?
[05:12] <Balsaq> locally
[05:12] <Balsaq> i dont have all my stuff connected yet
[05:12] <haywire> I suspect mine will work that way, too, whatdya think?
[05:12] <Balsaq> but i will say it worked on xubuntu without any tinkering
[05:12] <Balsaq> plug n play
[05:12] <haywire> That network printing is where I think it gets tricky...
[05:13] <Balsaq> prolly...cant wait to get into that...got a buch of computer to put on the network and 2 printers
[05:13] <Balsaq> bunch*
[05:13] <haywire> I think since I have a windoze machine involved, that is where the "catfight" begins...
[05:13] <Balsaq> yup...several of mine are windows
[05:14] <Balsaq> one mac and some linux
[05:14] <haywire> It really wouldn't be so bad if I had a true network printer (i think) but when I have to have the host machine running vista...well you read the results...
[05:15] <Balsaq> omg vista i had that for 2 weeks once
[05:15] <Balsaq> i have 7 now
[05:15] <Balsaq> and xo pro
[05:16] <Balsaq> i was spending a lot of time configuring vista...
[05:16] <haywire> well enuf of the bad.. the good news is that I got xubuntu dual booting on my old p4 1.7ghz with only 512 ram, I was able (after many hours work) to custom edit an xorg.conf file to drive my 32" LCD with it's native resolution of 1360x768, and it looks better than my windows desktop (xp home is other os)
[05:17] <Balsaq> sheez...could you put those instructions on paper!
[05:18] <haywire> hmmm... why ... u having a resolution issue with 9.10?  (mine was stuck at only 800x600)
[05:18] <Balsaq> no i use 904...but i will say i dont know how to make a dual booter
[05:18] <Balsaq> i see people struggling with it all the time
[05:19] <Balsaq> i have a couple unused computers that i would like to tool around with...i wouldnt mess with my 9.04 computer.
[05:19] <haywire> Well, like everthing I attempt I did it wrong the 1st time...I actually had a spare drive here, and removed my xp home hdd, and simply loaded xubuntu on my spare drive... then I tried to "marry them up using GRUB"...
[05:20] <haywire> That wasn't my smartest idea...didn't work at all...
[05:22] <haywire> I found out that Windoze absolutely will not boot unless it is on the primary Hdd (not slave) I simply jumpered both IDE drives for cable select, installed them, and ran the install from the xubuntu 9.10 live CD... I formated the slave drive for ext3, and GRUB was loaded automatically... that part was the easy part for me...
[05:22] <Balsaq> that is over my head
[05:22] <Balsaq> sheez
[05:23] <haywire> well, you don't have to use 2 drives like mee..
[05:23] <Balsaq> my towers have room for more drives
[05:23] <haywire> If you have large enough drive, you can partition it with gparted (comes with xubuntu) and it will be seen by the system as if it were 2 drives..
[05:24] <Balsaq> is tha easier and less trouble?
[05:25] <haywire> I'm sort of an old DOS user,, (I liked dos better than windows...) and although ALL the commands are different in linux, I am quite intriqued... ---easier, yes, at least from a mechanical (connecting) standpoint
[05:27] <haywire> every time I want to get on the web now, I reach for my xubuntu machine (with the sweet 32" 16x9 monitor :-) .  Of course it browses faster than my Pentium D dual-core CPU running a 2.8GHz processor, and 2 gigs ram... shows you how windoze can mire a machine down!
[05:28] <haywire> Balsaq:  How you you like Win 7?
[05:29] <Balsaq> i have my xubuntu on a 2.4 intel w/ 1 gig pc1066....this one here is xp pro on the same hardware and i have w7 on and i5 w/ 4 gig ddr3
[05:29] <Balsaq> and some otheres i am gradually getting too
[05:29] <haywire> I reread where you said you disliked vista, so you like 7 better?
[05:30] <Balsaq> yes no doubt
[05:30] <Balsaq> its more stable for me
[05:30] <Balsaq> i had vista on a quad core with 6 gigs of ram and i returned it.
[05:30] <haywire> You're not the only one I have heard that from.. maybe they finally came up with a winner.  I have no experience with it yet, but might have to check it out..
[05:32] <haywire> I think with a linux box, once you put in the seat time to get it to do what you want, it is very stable and trustworthy.  Getting there requires some effort on the part of the "administrator" - Ugghh I hate that word, esp. when it boils down to "me"
[05:35] <haywire> I will say that if you do get the GRUB bootloader working for you to perform dual-boot, you will like it... Just don't run your xubuntu from the GRUB boot menu in "Recovery Mode" - I did once, and it was a disaster... I couldn't configure the autologin after that, and kept getting greeted with a login screen asking for my user name and pwd...couldn't disable it...
[05:38] <Balsaq> yikes
[05:39] <haywire> yeah, I was this || close to reinstalling the whole ball of wax...
[05:39] <Balsaq> see when i got his laptop w/ the i5, i wanted it to ed being w7 with xubuntu beside it. but i have reached that confidence level yet.
[05:40] <Balsaq> ed=be*
[05:41] <haywire> yeah, it is definitely tense moments when your playing with drive partioning... If you care *at all* about the possibility (probability?) of loosing your 7, xp, or whatever, then you must create a backup of it first.
[05:42] <haywire> It's one of the reasons I physically removed the known good xp home drive while first playing with xubuntu.
[05:42] <haywire> I also have ZERO experience with linux on laptops..
[05:44] <haywire> My "poor" xp home on this machine hasn't been booted in over a week...It'll probably have 50 stinking updates it wants to install when I finally boot it <grin>
[10:24] <_Techie_> sweet, my money has been transferred
[13:36] <toal193> aeh
[13:36] <Canonical> aeh
[13:36] <Canonical> viuuu
[13:36] <Canonical> arararararara
[13:36] <toal193> diz aeh, como ativar o dontzap no xubby?
[13:36] <psycho_oreos> !English
[13:37] <Canonical> agora alguem daki vai te ajudar simples :)
[13:37] <toal193> ops, sorry
[13:40] <toal193> how can I kill an unresponsive fullscreen process?
[13:41] <psycho_oreos> hmm I dunno I'd use console to pkill it
[13:41] <psycho_oreos> if you have other desktops you can pkill from there too
[13:42] <toal193> how can I enable dontzap in xub?
[13:42] <Balsaq> i think once i just clicked the mouse a few times up in the upper right hand corner of the screen ad the controls came back there where i could get at em
[13:43] <charlie-tca> !dontzap
[13:44] <toal193> I've already tried to add this command line to ~/.xinitrc, nothing happened, :(
[13:44] <toal193> how can I call setxkbmap at every X session?
[13:46] <charlie-tca> toal193: did you add it to keyboard shortcuts?
[13:47] <toal193> common shortcuts are disable when in fullscreen
[13:48] <toal193> is there any script when I can add a command line to execute every time X starts?
[13:49] <charlie-tca>  /etc/rc.local
[13:50] <toal193> I'll try this, thanx :D
[13:50] <charlie-tca> or write a one-line bash program and add it to  ~/.config/autostart  to start for each user
[13:51] <toal193> ~/.config/autostart folder contains only launchers (.desktop files)
[13:52] <charlie-tca> and they can be used to run a bash file
[13:53] <charlie-tca> It is what I use to mount my systems using ssh-fuse
[13:54] <toal193> I must create a launcher to run the bash script?
[13:54] <charlie-tca> yup
[13:54] <charlie-tca> If you want to use that, otherwise, add it to /etc/rc.local
[13:55] <toal193> to run setxkbmap from a bash script I
[13:55] <toal193> must put "exec" before?
[13:56] <toal193> all right, thanx every1
[17:39] <odie5533> How do I install xfce/xubuntu after installing from the regular ubuntu cds?
[17:40] <charlie-tca> apt-get install xubuntu-desktop
[17:40] <odie5533> when I do that in synaptic, it marks ubuntu-desktop for removal.
[17:40] <charlie-tca> yup
[17:40] <odie5533> will ubuntu still be updated correctly?
[17:41] <charlie-tca> ubuntu-desktop is a meta-package, it is only needed to upgrade to the latest version
[17:41] <odie5533> I thought ubuntu-desktop coordinated updates
[17:41] <charlie-tca> upgrades, not updates
[17:41] <odie5533> oh
[17:41] <charlie-tca> It will upgrade whatever desktop package is installed at the time
[17:42] <odie5533> I'm running 10.04 beta 2. So when I want to upgrade to full 10.04, or 10.11 or something later on, I will need to first upgrade xubuntu-desktop, then install the ubuntu-desktop again to get everything fully upgraded?
[17:42] <charlie-tca> After installing xubuntu-desktop, you can mark ubuntu-desktop again. It will remove xubuntu-desktop, but everything else stays
[17:43] <odie5533> pulseaudio appears to be leaving me
[17:43] <charlie-tca> during the upgrade to a new version, it will depend on what gnome has done.
[17:43] <odie5533> Isn't the pulseaudio the new, good linux audio manager thing?
[17:43] <charlie-tca> Some of xubuntu may be removed because gnome won't allow things to work
[17:43] <charlie-tca> pulseaudio is the new audio manager, yes
[17:44] <odie5533> I won't have it if I install xubuntu. Compatability issues?
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Yes, parts of it specific to gnome desktop are going away, parts of it will stay
[17:44] <charlie-tca> Since the changes to gnome, some stuff is no longer fully compatibility
[17:44] <charlie-tca> well, compatible
[17:44] <odie5533> will I still have audio on gnome?
[17:45] <charlie-tca> should have
[17:45] <odie5533> well, I guess I'll find out.
[17:47] <odie5533> I noticed xubuntu chose slightly different applications to install: gimp, gnumeric, exaile, thunderbird. Is this because there is more room on an xubuntu cd to add stuff? I guess I'm asking, why the deviation from the main project's choice of applications?
[17:47] <charlie-tca> Nope, it is because xubuntu wants lighter applications than gnome has
[17:48] <charlie-tca> gnumeric and abiword replace OpenOffice.org and use much less resources
[17:48] <charlie-tca> Thunderbird uses less resources than evolution
[17:48] <odie5533> plus gnumeric is just plain better :)
[17:48] <odie5533> what about gimp?
[17:48] <charlie-tca> We saw no reason to remove gimp, our users can learn to use it or install something else if they choose to
[17:49] <charlie-tca> Ubuntu is aiming at the new users from windows more than Xubuntu is
[17:50] <charlie-tca> We usually get users that have been around a little bit, since they have older equipment that is not doing so good on windows
[17:51] <odie5533> In a few minutes I will have both ubuntu and xubuntu packages installed. Will my computer go any slower than a regular xubuntu install with the extra stuff? Not sure of any difference in running daemons.
[17:52] <charlie-tca> depends on the system. With 256mb ram and low drive space, yes. For most users, not noticable
[17:53] <odie5533> I previously tried and like xfce. I'm running a laptop and hoping to get slightly better battery usage from it. Currently, Windows 7 lasts longer than Ubuntu on battery. I have 2GB RAM and plenty of space.
[17:54] <charlie-tca> You probably won't notice any difference, then
[17:58] <odie5533> I now have Xubuntu session and Xfce session. Which should I be using?
[18:01] <charlie-tca> xubuntu session
[18:01] <odie5533> whats the other one, a vanilla xfce themed one?
[18:01] <charlie-tca> Sort of
[18:12] <odie5533> Xubuntu is using 450 MB of RAM. Gnome used 470 MB. Is it supposed to use that much?
[18:12] <charlie-tca> You installed on top of gnome
[18:13] <charlie-tca> gnome still has services running
[18:13] <odie5533> do I need to reinstall from xubuntu disks then?
[18:13] <charlie-tca> If you want a clean installation
[18:14] <charlie-tca> I don't really know if it will make much difference, though
[18:14] <odie5533> theres no option to uninstall the gnome stuff?
[18:14] <charlie-tca> xubuntu is about 30% less resources total
[18:14] <charlie-tca> Not automatically
[18:15] <charlie-tca> And there will be some even on the clean install, since xubuntu is built from Ubuntu
[18:15] <odie5533> the 30% estimate is for the base os, right? And then the xfce programs are generally lighter on top of that?
[18:15] <charlie-tca> yes
[18:16] <charlie-tca> A pure xfce installation is lighter than Xubuntu
[18:16] <charlie-tca> !purexfce
[18:17] <charlie-tca> That explains how to remove the gnome stuff
[18:18] <odie5533> Are those commands for someone that installed from the xubuntu cds?
[18:18] <charlie-tca> What commands?
[18:18] <odie5533> purexfce ones
[18:18] <charlie-tca> no
[18:19] <odie5533> who are they aimed for then?
[18:21] <charlie-tca> people that installed Ubuntu, then installed Xubuntu and want to clean out the ubuntu/gnome part
[18:21] <charlie-tca> or those that installed Kubuntu, then installed Xubuntu
[19:31] <cassiodacris> Ajuda
[19:32] <cassiodacris> alguém pode me ajudar
[19:32] <knome> !en | cassiodacris
[19:33] <knome> !es
[19:33] <knome> maybe :)
[19:33] <moetunes> !pt
[19:33] <cassiodacris> ok
[21:15] <rosalind> anyone here have troubles with multi user ?
[21:15] <rosalind> for some reason xfce logs me out randomly
[21:16] <rosalind> totally uncalled for
[21:16] <rosalind> can't even use the computer., if I am typing something and the computer logs out, then I lose everything.
[21:17] <rosalind> i've had this problem for several years
[21:17] <knome> which xubuntu version are you using?
[21:28] <rosalind> knome, its Xubuntu 9.10
[21:28] <rosalind> I just changed the soundcard (which was not working)
[21:28] <rosalind> I don't think that will fix it though
[21:29] <rosalind> its a typical problem I have been having for several years
[21:29] <rosalind> not sure why it would just crash a session like that
[21:29] <rosalind> I am going to try and reproduce this problem
[21:31] <knome> that would help if you had any idea when it happens
[21:31] <knome> i only can think of HW failure, really
[21:36] <rosalind> knome,
[21:36] <rosalind> sorry
[21:36] <rosalind> anyone know how to switch users in Xubuntu 9.10
[21:36] <rosalind> while keeping the first one on still
[21:36] <knome> try adding the xfapplet panel applet to your panel
[21:36] <knome> and select the user switcher there
[21:36] <knome> that should work
[21:37] <rosalind> where do I find this xfapplet ? I am in add new items to the panel
[21:38] <knome> it should appear in the list
[21:38] <rosalind> its not in the list, maybe I have to install it
[21:38] <knome> xfce4-xfapplet-plugin
[21:39] <rosalind> yeah I have to install that
[21:39] <rosalind> one sec
[21:40] <rosalind> ok knome I have xfapplet installed, it says though it is for Gnome Applications
[21:40] <rosalind> ahh I see
[21:40] <rosalind> nice
[21:41] <Sachse_Siechtum> Hello dear Linux users. :-)
[22:36] <guest20> Anyone home?
[22:37] <charlie-tca> !anyone
[22:38] <guest20> I don't have a question, yet. Just wanted to check out  this chat.
[22:39] <charlie-tca> There are always people here.
[22:40] <guest20> That's good to know. I just started using xubuntu.
[22:41] <charlie-tca> Whenever you need help, just type the question, all on one line, here. If anyone knows the answer, they will help you.
[22:43] <guest20> OK...I might mention that I don't know much about chats. Been using PC's for ten years, just never did chat much.
[22:44] <charlie-tca> no problem
[22:45] <charlie-tca> Just try to type without using enter as a space bar. We will help as we can. The biggest thing is don't wait if others are on, but ask the question anyway.
[22:45] <guest20> Supper is ready here. I'll return after I eat. What do I do to exit temporarily?
[22:45] <charlie-tca> They will read around it and keep going.
[22:45] <charlie-tca> just go
[22:46] <charlie-tca> leave yourself signed in, it is okay
[22:46] <guest20> Thanks!
[22:55] <charlie-tca> You are welcome
[23:50] <Peacimowen> I'm having sound issues.. gstreamer fails to detect my card, although aplay -l still lists it..
[23:51] <Peacimowen> speaker-test gives "ALSA lib confmisc.c:768:(parse_card) cannot find card '0'" and lots of "No such file or directory"
[23:51] <Peacimowen> Can anyone help me fix this?