[00:01] Riddell, nice! i already have the kde src cloned. now i just need look the gnome code ;-) [00:02] thanks a lot Riddell [00:03] Riddell: Thanks [00:03] this task is way exciting then the printer :-) [00:39] Riddell: will hardy upgrades be supported for lucid? [00:43] claydoh: not for Kubuntu no [00:45] Riddell: thanks, I thought not. Should this be mentioned either on the release notes and/or the upgrades page? [00:49] claydoh: yes it should [00:50] Riddell: will do === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [01:38] is there an RC available for testing? sry been out of the loop a bit [01:42] jjesse: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all [01:43] still some tests available for i386 and one for amd64 [01:44] duplicate tests also welcome, especially where the only tester is me (not good practice if I'm the guy both testing and signing off) === rgreening_ is now known as rgreening === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [02:03] Riddell: Would you please accept kopete-cryptography. I needs a rebuild to be installable. [02:16] ScottK: why the change in maintainer? [02:16] archive reorg I guess [02:16] accepting [02:16] Yeah, it was MOTU before and that's supposed to be changed. [02:16] Thanks [02:29] is beta2 the latest/greatest or is there a release candidate [02:30] for doing screenshots/etc off of [02:54] jjesse: Release Candidate [02:54] JontheEchidna: avogadro built (great job on that), but it's still not installable. It depends on a non-existing python2.6-sip4. [02:55] I think if it did dh_sip it would depend on python2.6-sip and sip-api-7.0 [03:07] ScottK where do i find this release candidate? [03:08] cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/current (or something like that) [03:08] ah was looking at releases [03:12] It'll be there after the RC is out [03:12] Now it's what we're testing. [03:12] The chances of a change that will afect screen shots are nil, however. [03:12] awesome hotel internet, 4.6kb/sec [04:01] Nice. [05:04] debfx: Do you know which KDE component this affects? [05:05] https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/539477 [05:05] Launchpad bug 539477 in gnome-settings-daemon "Video out hot key sends super + p + return on many upcoming Dell & HP systems" [Undecided,Confirmed] [05:07] apachelogger: libinfinity, libqinfiinity, kobby, and gobby-infinote [06:05] ScottK: turns out there were intentional dependencies on python{pyver}-qt4 and python{pyver}-sip4 [06:05] I've removed those and put in dh_sip for good measure [06:05] Excellent. [06:06] * ScottK looks in the queue [06:06] uploading right now, so it should be in queue in a bit === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [06:06] * ScottK will look in the morning then. [06:06] * ScottK was just about to crash. [06:06] yeah, I'm going to bed too [08:07] ScottK: does kde even react to XF86XK_Display? [08:18] ScottK: I don't think it does, at least not by default [10:05] where's dantti when you need him... === james_w`` is now known as james_w [10:26] could it be a colliding PPA's problem? [10:26] erk [10:42] ...was about to blame martians, not PPA [10:51] martinis, or martians? [11:00] both are good for blaming things on no? ;-) [12:00] debfx: OK. Thanks. I didn't know. [12:01] ScottK: what PPC images needs now testing? [12:01] ...I'll try to burn now and test later today [12:01] Tonio_: What's the answer on this (frim #ubuntu-devel): [12:01] [05:15:54] Riddell, ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt> should knm-runtime stop recommending the vpnc bits? [12:01] [05:27:47] same question about kigo recommending gnugo [12:28] Tonio_: also we have the problem where network manager disables interfaces but knetworkmanager doesn't have a way to re-enable them === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [13:37] ScottK: I fixed that, looks like the package didn't go in.... [13:37] Riddell: no way to fix in the second case..... [13:37] Riddell: missing feature or bug I'd say... [13:38] ScottK: looks at 04/15 changelog... [13:38] ScottK: - knm-runtime does not recommend any package (it's the backend...) [13:39] ScottK: imho, the components should be suggested by the corresponding kde components... [13:40] ScottK: so both network-manager-kde and plasma-widget-networkmanager both suggest them [13:40] Tonio_: Would you and Riddell please agree on this. [13:40] ScottK: sure [13:40] * ScottK is a bit tied up. [13:40] Riddell: do we want the vpn plugins installed for everyone ? that's what happened then... [13:41] Riddell: kep in mind that I splitted the vpn components frmo the knm-runtime for that purpose [13:41] Tonio_: no they are in universe [13:41] Riddell: so that we can install them separetelly [13:41] network-manager-openvpn-kde for example === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [13:41] for the same reason there is network-manager-openvpn-gnome [13:42] Riddell: doesn't this make sense to you ? [13:42] doesn't what make sense? [13:43] not installing all the plugins by default [13:43] well they're in universe so it's not an option [13:44] right, right, sorry I missed that point [13:44] Riddell: what is the point having knm-runtime recommending those packages then ? [13:44] instead of the frontend you choose suggesting them ? [13:44] I don't understand why http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt claims that knm-runtime recommends network-manager-vpnc, it doesn't [13:44] yeah, it doesn't [13:45] Riddell: it did beofre I handled the package [13:45] Riddell: it recommended this for a long time [13:45] Riddell: I then switched to recommending the kde part instead (network-manager-openvpn-kde, which depends on the plugin itself) [13:45] i solved the ati driver issue durring upgrade [13:46] Riddell: and finally dropped that on 04:14, upload ubuntu4, so now both frontends suggest the plugins [13:46] Riddell: I don't get why they claim this either.... [13:49] Riddell: is the file supposed to be up to date with the archives ? [13:49] it should be "Generated: Thu Apr 22 13:36:31 BST 2010 [13:49] but maybe it's stuck on one architecture? [13:50] sparc! [13:50] it didn't compile on smelly old sparcd [13:51] oh ! well done :) [15:00] apachelogger: got a sec? [15:00] kinda [15:01] apachelogger: i installed 9.10 on a pc and then upgraded to 10.04 beta 2 using the alternate cd,now kpk doesnt install packages,i click on the download and click apply and it just returns to the usual state [15:01] doesnt download packages.... [15:02] ohm [15:02] shadeslayer: what does pkcon install do? [15:02] if you hand it the package as argument ...;) [15:02] apachelogger: havent tried that... i just wanted to ask what might be the isseu [15:03] polkit maybe [15:03] not necessarily though [15:03] apachelogger: i did do kpk --install-package kubuntu-restricted-extras [15:03] it says no such package found \o/ [15:03] !info kubuntu-restricted-extras [15:03] kubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 36 (karmic), package size 5 kB, installed size 32 kB [15:03] !info kubuntu-restricted-extras lucid [15:03] kubuntu-restricted-extras (source: ubuntu-restricted-extras): Commonly used restricted packages for Kubuntu. In component multiverse, is optional. Version 39 (lucid), package size 5 kB, installed size 32 kB [15:03] apachelogger: same thing for vlc as well :( [15:03] hm [15:04] apart from that everything worked perfectly :) [15:04] connected to wep networks,etc,etc [15:04] Too bad the bot doesn't take a third argument for !info like 32 or 64 etc [15:04] genii: :P [15:05] (Well 4th actually since it takes dist/repo ) [15:06] why would one want to specify 32 or 64? [15:06] apachelogger: Well, architecture generally [15:06] apachelogger: oh one small thing too,i exported http_proxy and ftp_proxy in bashrc and tried apt-get update,no luck there either [15:06] shadeslayer: well, I'd try with pkcon [15:06] see what that says [15:06] apachelogger: whats the exact command? [15:06] apachelogger: Because often packages are available for instance on 32bit but not 64bit [15:06] pkcon install kubuntu-restricted-extras [15:06] ok [15:06] shadeslayer: you need to export the http shiz in /etc/environment [15:07] I am not even sure if that works for apt though [15:07] apachelogger: it does work here... [15:07] either way it might be best to configure apt for proxy [15:07] apachelogger: via /etc/apt/apt.conf ? [15:08] google is your friend I guess [15:08] apachelogger: theres alot of confusion on that :) [15:08] each forum suggests something :P [15:09] well [15:09] askjeeves :P [15:09] hehe :D [15:09] * shadeslayer is being wooed over by gnome === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [16:26] ryanakca: I think I looked at the kubuntu.org drupal theme the wrong way :( [16:28] konqueror was crashing and now it's not but I can't open any of the sections (like the one to set the URL or the one to stop it publishing the RC story before it's ment to be) === keffie_jayx_ is now known as effie_jayx === ScottK changed the topic of #kubuntu-devel to: Kubuntu <3 Channel | Test ISO images! (see kubuntu-devel ML for special details) | 10.04 LTS RC released!, Finally frozen | https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Todo | milestoned bugs marked as kubuntu http://tinyurl.com/yjybcx9 Only 3 left to fix! === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [17:36] Riddell: is there anything new about the new theme? [17:36] ofirk: how do you mean? [17:37] Riddell: yesterday we talked about the theme, and we said that the new theme will run in the mean time on Drupal 5 [17:37] Riddell: but we wanted a staging site [17:39] Riddell: the team from canonical isn't available, and we need to have the staging site so we can organize everything for the release day === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:24] Riddell: The amd64 buildd is about caught up, so nowish wouldn't be a bad time if you wanted to try to get Quassel 0.6.1. in for final (I uploaded it, so I can't review it) [18:37] debfx: kde bug 234936 seems to be caused by the brightness OSD patch [18:38] KDE bug 234936 in general "Crash on startup" [Crash,Resolved: duplicate] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234936 === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [18:54] ScottK: I had a look at plasma-netbook, the file which needs to be patched has changed and I am afraid I would break everything, if I would try to backport this fix. === yofel_ is now known as yofel === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [19:39] bulldog98: amarok uploaded to staging https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages [19:39] go and find testers :) [19:42] is there anyone still using karmic? === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [19:45] neversfelde: OK. Let's not break the world. [19:46] ScottK: probably someone with more experience could do this [19:46] OK. === dendro-afk is now known as dendrobates [20:17] * ScottK tried logging into Gnome on Lucid and saw the buttons on the left thing for the first time. It gave me a headache. [20:18] The aubergine was pretty, but I still like blue better. === mgraesslin_ is now known as mgraesslin [20:18] ne one know how to reconfig my sound sever so i can select my speakers as default instead of the headphone jack [20:23] ok i found out how to fix it for some reson i have an extra volume item for "speaker" that only allows me to change its volume only when set to master channel (it does not show in kmix , and thats even under select channels) [20:29] ScottK: could you please apply this patch to the kdebase-workspace package: http://paste.ubuntu.com/420625/ [20:30] it should fix kde bug 234663 [20:30] KDE bug 234663 in widget-battery "Plasma crashes when removing battery monitor from panel" [Crash,Unconfirmed] http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=234663 [20:41] Riddell: Hmmm. Do you have JS disabled on www-admin.kubuntu.org? [20:49] hi guys/girls... what do you think of idea to have brainstorm.kubuntu.org? i think such page could bring alot of good ideas specificly to kubuntu and kde [20:49] i know there is a section for kubuntu on brainstorm.ubuntu.com but it's not same thing.. it would be better to gather kubuntu users on one place and focus on kubuntu and kde [20:54] There is a brainstorm part in the KDE forums [20:55] alvin: yeah but it's not same thing [20:55] it's better to have everything connected on kubuntu page [20:55] How so? [20:55] ill explain in a sec.. phone call [20:55] Oh, that's true. I guess links should work. === dendrobates is now known as dendro-afk [20:57] Too many brainstorm sites, not enough developers. What KDE needs is a step back from new ideas. There already have been more than enough good ones. Then a period of sweet bug fixing. Would make a lot of users happy. [20:57] But I guess that's true for a lot of projects. [20:57] back [20:58] alvin: there's bugfixing period all the time [20:58] well you have right there... but i think "normal" users would easier connect if they have one page and it's under kubuntu domain [20:58] it's not same thing to have brainstorms on different page like on kde forums [20:59] Yes, but there's a reason I don't brainstorm. People think of their own priorities first. I would suggest the possibility of importing root certificates in KDE or the addition of an NFS kioslave. Things like that. [20:59] well... you have right in that point [20:59] We have our bugs in bugs.kde.org instead of launchpad [20:59] but people can suggest things that could be improved in kubuntu and vote for them [20:59] it will give alot of new ideas for kubuntu [21:00] ubuntu has tons of them but hardly any are implemented but it give ideas to developers what people really want [21:00] That need to be developed by KDE devs. Will they look at a Kubuntu site? [21:00] alvin: "importing root certificates in KDE" you mean using systemwide root certs? [21:00] well not everything would be developed by kde devs [21:00] Yes, like KDE3 could [21:01] alvin: already do (:) [21:01] someone can come up with how new installer could look like, how panel is organized etc etc [21:01] For example, when you have your own mailserver and want to use IMAPS (Kolab?) [21:02] I mean, atleast KDE 4.5 should use systemwide certs by default [21:02] but that might not be what you want [21:02] That's cool, but KDE 4.5 isn't released yet [21:03] indeed [21:03] No, just importing your self-made certificates, so Konqueror and Kmail can trust these [21:03] ye, hmmm [21:59] is there a wiki page with brainstorms/ideas for 10.10? Just wanted to have a look at ideas for the next version [22:07] nixternal: ping [22:08] what? [22:08] hurry? [22:08] err, that should have been 'hurry!' [22:08] ;p [22:08] neversfelde: pongerz [22:08] debfx: I think it will have to be SRU now. [22:08] nixternal: hi, the german translators of the kubuntu docs asked me, if the translations will be in 10.04? [22:09] yes [22:09] great :) [22:09] need to work on them this weekend and get them in [22:09] they are at the top of my todo list [22:09] they were afraid that they are not included and wanted us to create a ppa package [22:09] nixternal: I will forward this, thank you [22:09] and...we will have point releases after 10.04 is released because people didn't have time to retranslate all of the new stuff in time [22:09] nixternal: You mean "get them in" as in upload to the archive? [22:09] yes [22:10] i have it like that, don't ask [22:10] if i don't, then oh well, there will be bogus docs in the release [22:10] Sooner rather than later please. [22:10] sunday by the latest [22:10] Might end up an SRU by then, not sure. [22:12] then nothing else better be uploaded between now and wednesday...docs don't hurt a darn thing, and need to be on the disk, otherwise the first bug report i get about untranslated docs, i quit [22:12] though, me quitting wouldn't have any effect anyways [22:12] need to come up with a better threat === keffie_jayx_ is now known as effie_jayx