[00:01] <rbelem> Riddell, nice!  i already have the kde src cloned. now i just need look the gnome code ;-)
[00:02] <rbelem> thanks a lot Riddell
[00:03] <ryanakca> Riddell: Thanks
[00:03] <rbelem> this task is way exciting then the printer :-)
[00:39] <claydoh> Riddell: will hardy upgrades be supported for lucid?
[00:43] <Riddell> claydoh: not for Kubuntu no
[00:45] <claydoh> Riddell: thanks, I thought not. Should this be mentioned either on the release notes and/or the upgrades page?
[00:49] <Riddell> claydoh: yes it should
[00:50] <claydoh> Riddell: will do
[01:38] <jjesse> is there an RC available for testing?  sry been out of the loop a bit
[01:42] <persia> jjesse: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/build/kubuntu/all
[01:43] <persia> still some tests available for i386 and one for amd64
[01:44] <Riddell> duplicate tests also welcome, especially where the only tester is me (not good practice if I'm the guy both testing and signing off)
[02:03] <ScottK> Riddell: Would you please accept kopete-cryptography.  I needs a rebuild to be installable.
[02:16] <Riddell> ScottK: why the change in maintainer?
[02:16] <Riddell> archive reorg I guess
[02:16] <Riddell> accepting
[02:16] <ScottK> Yeah, it was MOTU before and that's supposed to be changed.
[02:16] <ScottK> Thanks
[02:29] <jjesse> is beta2 the latest/greatest or is there a release candidate
[02:30] <jjesse> for doing screenshots/etc off of
[02:54] <ScottK> jjesse: Release Candidate
[02:54] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: avogadro built (great job on that), but it's still not installable.  It depends on a non-existing python2.6-sip4.
[02:55] <ScottK> I think if it did dh_sip it would depend on python2.6-sip and sip-api-7.0
[03:07] <jjesse> ScottK where do i find this release candidate?
[03:08] <ScottK> cdimages.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/lucid/current (or something like that)
[03:08] <jjesse> ah was looking at releases
[03:12] <ScottK> It'll be there after the RC is out
[03:12] <ScottK> Now it's what we're testing.
[03:12] <ScottK> The chances of a change that will afect screen shots are nil, however.
[03:12] <jjesse> awesome hotel internet, 4.6kb/sec
[04:01] <ScottK> Nice.
[05:04] <ScottK> debfx: Do you know which KDE component this affects?
[05:05] <ScottK> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/539477
[05:07] <ScottK> apachelogger: libinfinity, libqinfiinity, kobby, and gobby-infinote
[06:05] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: turns out there were intentional dependencies on python{pyver}-qt4 and python{pyver}-sip4
[06:05] <JontheEchidna> I've removed those and put in dh_sip for good measure
[06:05] <ScottK> Excellent.
[06:06]  * ScottK looks in the queue
[06:06] <JontheEchidna> uploading right now, so it should be in queue in a bit
[06:06]  * ScottK will look in the morning then.
[06:06]  * ScottK was just about to crash.
[06:06] <JontheEchidna> yeah, I'm going to bed too
[08:07] <debfx> ScottK: does kde even react to XF86XK_Display?
[08:18] <debfx> ScottK: I don't think it does, at least not by default
[10:05] <Tm_T> where's dantti when you need him...
[10:26] <sabdfl> could it be a colliding PPA's problem?
[10:26] <sabdfl> erk
[10:42] <Tm_T> ...was about to blame martians, not PPA
[10:51] <valorie> martinis, or martians?
[11:00] <Nightrose> both are good for blaming things on no? ;-)
[12:00] <ScottK> debfx: OK.  Thanks.  I didn't know.
[12:01] <Tm_T> ScottK: what PPC images needs now testing?
[12:01] <Tm_T> ...I'll try to burn now and test later today
[12:01] <ScottK> Tonio_: What's the answer on this (frim #ubuntu-devel):
[12:01] <ScottK> [05:15:54] <pitti> Riddell, ScottK: http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt> should knm-runtime stop recommending the vpnc bits?
[12:01] <ScottK> [05:27:47] <pitti> same question about kigo recommending gnugo
[12:28] <Riddell> Tonio_: also we have the problem where network manager disables interfaces but knetworkmanager doesn't have a way to re-enable them
[13:37] <Tonio_> ScottK: I fixed that, looks like the package didn't go in....
[13:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: no way to fix in the second case.....
[13:37] <Tonio_> Riddell: missing feature or bug I'd say...
[13:38] <Tonio_> ScottK: looks at 04/15 changelog...
[13:38] <Tonio_> ScottK: - knm-runtime does not recommend any package (it's the backend...)
[13:39] <Tonio_> ScottK: imho, the components should be suggested by the corresponding kde components...
[13:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: so both network-manager-kde and plasma-widget-networkmanager both suggest them
[13:40] <ScottK> Tonio_: Would you and Riddell please agree on this.
[13:40] <Tonio_> ScottK: sure
[13:40]  * ScottK is a bit tied up.
[13:40] <Tonio_> Riddell: do we want the vpn plugins installed for everyone ? that's what happened then...
[13:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: kep in mind that I splitted the vpn components frmo the knm-runtime for that purpose
[13:41] <Riddell> Tonio_: no they are in universe
[13:41] <Tonio_> Riddell: so that we can install them separetelly
[13:41] <Tonio_> network-manager-openvpn-kde for example
[13:41] <Tonio_> for the same reason there is network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[13:42] <Tonio_> Riddell: doesn't this make sense to you ?
[13:42] <Riddell> doesn't what make sense?
[13:43] <Tonio_> not installing all the plugins by default
[13:43] <Riddell> well they're in universe so it's not an option
[13:44] <Tonio_> right, right, sorry I missed that point
[13:44] <Tonio_> Riddell: what is the point having knm-runtime recommending those packages then ?
[13:44] <Tonio_> instead of the frontend you choose suggesting them ?
[13:44] <Riddell> I don't understand why http://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/component-mismatches.txt claims that knm-runtime recommends network-manager-vpnc, it doesn't
[13:44] <Tonio_> yeah, it doesn't
[13:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: it did beofre I handled the package
[13:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: it recommended this for a long time
[13:45] <Tonio_> Riddell: I then switched to recommending the kde part instead (network-manager-openvpn-kde, which depends on the plugin itself)
[13:45] <sithlord48> i solved the ati driver issue durring upgrade
[13:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: and finally dropped that on 04:14, upload ubuntu4, so now both frontends suggest the plugins
[13:46] <Tonio_> Riddell: I don't get why they claim this either....
[13:49] <Tonio_> Riddell: is the file supposed to be up to date with the archives ?
[13:49] <Riddell> it should be "Generated: Thu Apr 22 13:36:31 BST 2010
[13:49] <Riddell> but maybe it's stuck on one architecture?
[13:50] <Riddell> sparc!
[13:50] <Riddell> it didn't compile on smelly old sparcd
[13:51] <Tonio_> oh ! well done :)
[15:00] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: got a sec?
[15:00] <apachelogger> kinda
[15:01] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i installed 9.10 on a pc and then upgraded to 10.04 beta 2 using the alternate cd,now kpk doesnt install packages,i click on the download and click apply and it just returns to the usual state
[15:01] <shadeslayer> doesnt download packages....
[15:02] <apachelogger> ohm
[15:02] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: what does pkcon install do?
[15:02] <apachelogger> if you hand it the package as argument ...;)
[15:02] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: havent tried that... i just wanted to ask what might be the isseu
[15:03] <apachelogger> polkit maybe
[15:03] <apachelogger> not necessarily though
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: i did do kpk --install-package kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:03] <shadeslayer> it says no such package found \o/
[15:03] <apachelogger> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:03] <apachelogger> !info kubuntu-restricted-extras lucid
[15:03] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: same thing for vlc as well :(
[15:03] <apachelogger> hm
[15:04] <shadeslayer> apart from that everything worked perfectly :)
[15:04] <shadeslayer> connected to wep networks,etc,etc
[15:04] <genii> Too bad the bot doesn't take a third argument for !info like 32 or 64 etc
[15:04] <shadeslayer> genii: :P
[15:05] <genii> (Well 4th actually since it takes dist/repo )
[15:06] <apachelogger> why would one want to specify 32 or 64?
[15:06] <genii> apachelogger: Well, architecture generally
[15:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: oh one small thing too,i exported http_proxy and ftp_proxy  in bashrc and tried apt-get update,no luck there either
[15:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: well, I'd try with pkcon
[15:06] <apachelogger> see what that says
[15:06] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: whats the exact command?
[15:06] <genii> apachelogger: Because often packages are available for instance on 32bit but not 64bit
[15:06] <apachelogger> pkcon install kubuntu-restricted-extras
[15:06] <shadeslayer> ok
[15:06] <apachelogger> shadeslayer: you need to export the http shiz in /etc/environment
[15:07] <apachelogger> I am not even sure if that works for apt though
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: it does work here...
[15:07] <apachelogger> either way it might be best to configure apt for proxy
[15:07] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: via /etc/apt/apt.conf ?
[15:08] <apachelogger> google is your friend I guess
[15:08] <shadeslayer> apachelogger: theres alot of confusion on that :)
[15:08] <shadeslayer> each forum suggests something :P
[15:09] <apachelogger> well
[15:09] <apachelogger> askjeeves :P
[15:09] <shadeslayer> hehe :D
[15:09]  * shadeslayer is being wooed over by gnome
[16:26] <Riddell> ryanakca: I think I looked at the kubuntu.org drupal theme the wrong way :(
[16:28] <Riddell> konqueror was crashing and now it's not but I can't open any of the sections (like the one to set the URL or the one to stop it publishing the RC story before it's ment to be)
[17:36] <ofirk> Riddell: is there anything new about the new theme?
[17:36] <Riddell> ofirk: how do you mean?
[17:37] <ofirk> Riddell: yesterday we talked about the theme, and we said that the new theme will run in the mean time on Drupal 5
[17:37] <ofirk> Riddell:  but we wanted a staging site
[17:39] <ofirk> Riddell: the team from canonical isn't available, and we need to have the staging site so we can organize everything for the release day
[18:24] <ScottK> Riddell: The amd64 buildd is about caught up, so nowish wouldn't be a bad time if you wanted to try to get Quassel 0.6.1. in for final (I uploaded it, so I can't review it)
[18:37] <JontheEchidna> debfx: kde bug 234936 seems to be caused by the brightness OSD patch
[18:54] <neversfelde> ScottK: I had a look at plasma-netbook, the file which needs to be patched has changed and I am afraid I would break everything, if I would try to backport this fix.
[19:39] <neversfelde> bulldog98: amarok uploaded to staging https://edge.launchpad.net/~kubuntu-ppa/+archive/staging/+packages
[19:39] <neversfelde> go and find testers :)
[19:42] <bulldog98> is there anyone still using karmic?
[19:45] <ScottK> neversfelde: OK.  Let's not break the world.
[19:46] <neversfelde> ScottK: probably someone with more experience could do this
[19:46] <ScottK> OK.
[20:17]  * ScottK tried logging into Gnome on Lucid and saw the buttons on the left thing for the first time.  It gave me a headache.
[20:18] <ScottK> The aubergine was pretty, but I still like blue better.
[20:18] <sithlord48> ne one know how to reconfig my sound sever so i can select my speakers as default instead of the headphone jack
[20:23] <sithlord48> ok i found out how to fix it for some reson i have an extra volume item for "speaker" that  only allows me to change its volume only when set to master channel (it does not show in kmix , and thats even under select channels)
[20:29] <debfx> ScottK: could you please apply this patch to the kdebase-workspace package: http://paste.ubuntu.com/420625/
[20:30] <debfx> it should fix kde bug 234663
[20:41] <ryanakca> Riddell: Hmmm. Do you have JS disabled on www-admin.kubuntu.org?
[20:49] <nookie^> hi guys/girls... what do you think of idea to have brainstorm.kubuntu.org? i think such page could bring alot of good ideas specificly to kubuntu and kde
[20:49] <nookie^> i know there is a section for kubuntu on brainstorm.ubuntu.com but it's not same thing.. it would be better to gather kubuntu users on one place and focus on kubuntu and kde
[20:54] <alvin> There is a brainstorm part in the KDE forums
[20:55] <nookie^> alvin: yeah but it's not same thing
[20:55] <nookie^> it's better to have everything connected on kubuntu page
[20:55] <alvin> How so?
[20:55] <nookie^> ill explain in a sec.. phone call
[20:55] <alvin> Oh, that's true. I guess links should work.
[20:57] <alvin> Too many brainstorm sites, not enough developers. What KDE needs is a step back from new ideas. There already have been more than enough good ones. Then a period of sweet bug fixing. Would make a lot of users happy.
[20:57] <alvin> But I guess that's true for a lot of projects.
[20:57] <nookie^> back
[20:58] <Tm_T> alvin: there's bugfixing period all the time
[20:58] <nookie^> well you have right there... but i think "normal" users would easier connect if they have one page and it's under kubuntu domain
[20:58] <nookie^> it's not same thing to have brainstorms on different page like on kde forums
[20:59] <alvin> Yes, but there's a reason I don't brainstorm. People think of their own priorities first. I would suggest the possibility of importing root certificates in KDE or the addition of an NFS kioslave. Things like that.
[20:59] <nookie^> well... you have right in that point
[20:59] <alvin> We have our bugs in bugs.kde.org instead of launchpad
[20:59] <nookie^> but people can suggest things that could be improved in kubuntu and vote for them
[20:59] <nookie^> it will give alot of new ideas for kubuntu
[21:00] <nookie^> ubuntu has tons of them but hardly any are implemented but it give ideas to developers what people really want
[21:00] <alvin> That need to be developed by KDE devs. Will they look at a Kubuntu site?
[21:00] <Tm_T> alvin: "importing root certificates in KDE" you mean using systemwide root certs?
[21:00] <nookie^> well not everything would be developed by kde devs
[21:00] <alvin> Yes, like KDE3 could
[21:01] <Tm_T> alvin: already do (:)
[21:01] <nookie^> someone can come up with how new installer could look like, how panel is organized etc etc
[21:01] <alvin> For example, when you have your own mailserver and want to use IMAPS (Kolab?)
[21:02] <Tm_T> I mean, atleast KDE 4.5 should use systemwide certs by default
[21:02] <Tm_T> but that might not be what you want
[21:02] <alvin> That's cool, but KDE 4.5 isn't released yet
[21:03] <Tm_T> indeed
[21:03] <alvin> No, just importing your self-made certificates, so Konqueror and Kmail can trust these
[21:03] <Tm_T> ye, hmmm
[21:59] <descendent87> is there a wiki page with brainstorms/ideas for 10.10? Just wanted to have a look at ideas for the next version
[22:07] <neversfelde> nixternal: ping
[22:08] <nixternal> what?
[22:08] <nixternal> hurry?
[22:08] <nixternal> err, that should have been 'hurry!'
[22:08] <nixternal> ;p
[22:08] <nixternal> neversfelde: pongerz
[22:08] <ScottK> debfx: I think it will have to be SRU now.
[22:08] <neversfelde> nixternal: hi, the german translators of the kubuntu docs asked me, if the translations will be in 10.04?
[22:09] <nixternal> yes
[22:09] <neversfelde> great :)
[22:09] <nixternal> need to work on them this weekend and get them in
[22:09] <nixternal> they are at the top of my todo list
[22:09] <neversfelde> they were afraid that they are not included and wanted us to create a ppa package
[22:09] <neversfelde> nixternal: I will forward this, thank you
[22:09] <nixternal> and...we will have point releases after 10.04 is released because people didn't have time to retranslate all of the new stuff in time
[22:09] <ScottK> nixternal: You mean "get them in" as in upload to the archive?
[22:09] <nixternal> yes
[22:10] <nixternal> i have it like that, don't ask
[22:10] <nixternal> if i don't, then oh well, there will be bogus docs in the release
[22:10] <ScottK> Sooner rather than later please.
[22:10] <nixternal> sunday by the latest
[22:10] <ScottK> Might end up an SRU by then, not sure.
[22:12] <nixternal> then nothing else better be uploaded between now and wednesday...docs don't hurt a darn thing, and need to be on the disk, otherwise the first bug report i get about untranslated docs, i quit
[22:12] <nixternal> though, me quitting wouldn't have any effect anyways
[22:12] <nixternal> need to come up with a better threat