[00:00] <tenochslb> AmunRa, i do not know but i have a wireless card that stopped working during one of the updates of lucid. It used to work on karmic
[00:02] <AmunRa> no, the wireless works.. it's just the icon that's vanished
[00:02] <h00k> yofel: in your opinion, would you say I am effected?
[00:03] <tenochslb> AmunRa, ok
[00:03] <yofel> not sure I only found the bug today and haven't tested it much myself, but it might not hurt to test the fixed package, I have it installed here, but didn't restart X yet
[00:04] <yofel> but I think at least I am affected, it shows 760MB now, but I guess that's only allocated, not used as I should have run out of memory by now otherwise...
[00:05] <h00k> yofel: oh, hey, if I'm running 1.2, then I should remove it, update to 1.4, and test there?
[00:05] <h00k> I see how that works.
[00:05]  * h00k facepalms
[00:05] <yofel> heh
[00:05] <h00k> so, I know it exists in 1.2
[00:06] <h00k> now to try 1.4.
[00:06] <yofel> I'm running 1.4 here, and I think this *shouldn't* exist in 1.2
[00:06] <h00k> yofel: ..oh.
[00:07] <yofel> well, I'm at 800 now, and kwin is getting quite sluggy now...
[00:07]  * h00k turns swap off
[00:08] <h00k> yofel: so, 1.2 is..which, the fixed? or the one with the problem?
[00:08] <yofel> I think this was caused by enabling the patch that fixed something after enabling 1.4, so 1.2 should be fine
[00:09] <yofel> ok, now I have 1cpu stuck with 100% IOwait, maybe it tries to swap but can't
[00:10] <h00k> yofel: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/420101/
[00:13] <denis-k> noooooo....chromium windows are on the right side :(
[00:14] <denis-k> i wish the ubuntu build/in the repo was changed to fit with ubuntu's main theme
[00:14] <denis-k> now i have to use the GTK+ topbar...which makes it even bulkier
[00:15] <h00k> denis-k: you can change a setting so it fits your theme
[00:15] <denis-k> h00k: i know but it still has the window buttons on the top right, unless you use the GTK window bar
[00:15] <denis-k> then it adds another 20 pixels onto your screen
[00:16] <PythonPup> Howdy.  I see that you cannot change gconf keys for Matacity right now.  Why is that?  I am not trying to push for it to be changed right away.  I am just curious.
[00:17] <denis-k> h00k: im using a netbook, thats why i need more screen space :)
[00:17] <h00k> denis-k: http://i.imgur.com/AWSn9.jpg
[00:17] <yofel> ok, back after killing X...
[00:17] <h00k> yofel: welcome back.
[00:18] <h00k> yofel: did you see my previous pastebin?
[00:18] <yofel> iotop showed more and more apps doing more and more reads from the HDD until the OS was unusable
[00:18] <denis-k> h00k: yeah thats what i have too, but i was wondering if its possible to get window buttons from theme, without the GTK top bar, to the other side..
[00:18] <yofel> h00k: yes, I have the quasselcore running on another pc, so I wasn't really gone here
[00:19] <h00k> yofel: useful
[00:19] <denis-k> like in its original/installed state
[00:20] <yofel> well, let's see how it works now... "server glx version string: 1.2 client glx version string: 1.4"
[00:21] <denis-k> h00k: oh well atleast its still more screen space than firefox (with the bookmark bar)
[00:21] <h00k> denis-k: it's true, and I don't know if you can do what you're looking to accomplish
[00:22] <h00k> yofel: object bytes do seem to be decreasing slowly
[00:22] <yofel> h00k: for now memory usage seems to be stable at ~120MiB for me (2763 objects), I'll post if anything changes
[00:24] <mininessie> any girls here
[00:25] <Fishscene> off topic?
[00:26] <h00k> mininessie: it isn't a dating service
[00:29] <h00k> yofel: it appears "steady" around 443mb at this time
[00:30] <yofel> now that I'm running 1.2 it seems stable at 130MB for me
[00:30] <mininessie> h00k: what are you talking about
[00:30] <h00k> mininessie: GLX 1.2
[00:31] <mininessie> ??
[00:34] <h00k> Which is why I'm not sure if I'm having this problem, I think I am because if I keep rolling over docky, I can send mem usage way up and it takes a long time to drop.
[00:37] <h00k> I may be starting to get x lag
[00:38] <h00k> I think I'm slowly dying
[00:38] <exigraff> h00k! don't walk toward the light!
[00:40] <h00k> yofel: so, I managed to kill 1.2
[00:41] <h00k> well, it's in the process of...doing something, anyway.
[00:43] <h00k> yep. it's dead.
[00:50] <h00k> yofel: I think I commented properly, anyway
[00:51] <h00k> yofel: ?! My netbook has negative object bytes
[00:52] <h00k> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/420120/
[00:52] <yofel> that's an integer overflow (highest bit is the negative bit) once the number is larger than 2^31-1
[00:53] <h00k> but it shouldn't be reaching that, correct? I have 1.4 on the netbook at the moment.
[00:53] <yofel> no, it should not
[00:53] <h00k> let me try 1.2 on this, intel, not nouveau and see what happens.
[00:54] <yofel> and negative means that it uses more than 2GB of memory already...
[00:54] <Volkodav> I just created a backup but it seems too small compared to original - I do not think it can compress that much
[00:55] <Volkodav> my / is 9 gb and tar ball is only 1.3 Gb ?
[00:55] <h00k> yofel: all I have on this baby is 2gb
[00:55] <h00k> be back in a bit, I have a meeting.
[00:56] <yofel> well, if the count is negative than that means it uses more than 2 147 483 648 bytes
[00:56] <yofel> *then
[00:57] <mininessie> hey has anyone heard of mkv video format
[00:58] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, yes used it for a while before moving to mp4 for cross compatibility, what is your question?
[00:59] <mininessie> ZykoticK9: is there an hd version of it or any way to conveert mkv to hd
[00:59] <Volkodav> Can 9 Gb compress into 1.3 ?
[00:59] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, mkv can more-or-less be hd (or better really)
[01:00] <mininessie> ZykoticK9: how or is there a program to convert mkv to mkv so its a better quality?
[01:01] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, you can't upscale a lossy encoding (the source would need to be encoded at the higher quality, and would need to be HD)
[01:01] <mininessie> but if i encoded it would it still be mkv
[01:01] <mininessie> ZykoticK9: and what would be a good mkv encoder
[01:01] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, what is the source you are encoding from?
[01:02] <mininessie> ZykoticK9: ?
[01:02] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, Handbrake for encoder
[01:02] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, what are you encoding from?
[01:02] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, hanbrake-gtk may still be non-functional on lucid though :(
[01:02] <mininessie> ZykoticK9: nothing i just have download a video of the internet and its mkv format
[01:03]  * duffydack would like to watch a video of the internet.
[01:03] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, if you've downloaded something - you can't improve it's quality (ANY change will lower the quality)
[01:04] <IRConan> mininessie: mkv is a container format... wether it's "HD" is up to the codec inside
[01:04] <IRConan> any form of lossy->* transcode will reduce quality exponentially
[01:05] <mininessie> so even if i converted it to blue ray quality it would be less quality then true blue ray
[01:05] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, yes
[01:05] <IRConan> mininessie: it would in fact be less quality than the source you currently have...
[01:05] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, just leave it as is (it's the best it's going to be)
[01:05] <Volkodav> will this be a correct command to restore to another drive assuming I created a new partition on it and mounted and cd'ed into it ?  tar -xvpzf /home/volkodav/backup.tar.gz -C /A
[01:06] <IRConan> where do you think it's gonna get the extra information from to make it better?!
[01:07] <Volkodav> or do i have to spell out the path like so  tar -xvpzf /home/volkodav/backup.tar.gz -C /media/new_drive ?
[01:07] <IRConan> Volkodav: what's the /A ?
[01:07] <Volkodav>  tar -xvpzf /home/volkodav/backup.tar.gz -C /
[01:07] <Volkodav> like this
[01:08] <IRConan> if you want to extract to the cwd omit the -C entirely
[01:08] <mininessie> what makes linux unqiue
[01:09] <Fishscene> The community and what you can do with it.
[01:09] <IRConan> mininessie: linux doesn't attempt to be unique
[01:09] <IRConan> it attempts to adhere to standards such as POSIX, etc such that it is in fact less unique
[01:10] <Volkodav> tar -xvpzf /home/volkodav/backup.tar.gz  /media/new_drive  like that ?
[01:10] <mininessie> well besides the way it looks and how i use linux it seems not that much different meaning functionality
[01:10] <IRConan> Volkodav: if you want to do it to the cwd just do tar -xvpzf /path/to/archive.tar.gz
[01:10] <mininessie> and what i mean is like windows 7 has snap features and such
[01:11] <ZykoticK9> mininessie, Win7 copied compiz for many of it's new visual effect - like the cube
[01:11] <IRConan> mininessie: indeed... most functionality is very similar between some of the major desktop environments and windows
[01:11] <Volkodav> IRConan: what if i am in archive's dir ?
[01:12] <IRConan> Volkodav: then you need to specify with -C /media/new_drive
[01:12] <mininessie> IRConan: so what makes linux stand out functionallity wise
[01:12] <Volkodav> ok I got it thanks
[01:12] <IRConan> -C / is definitely not what you want... that will extract to the root
[01:12] <duffydack> I`ll take my compiz setup over any meager little tricks win7 can do
[01:12] <IRConan> mininessie: depends on your use-case
[01:12] <Fishscene> Again, what you can do with it.
[01:12] <ZykoticK9> duffydack, +1
[01:12] <duffydack> snap is do-able also.../
[01:12] <Volkodav> that I understand
[01:12] <mininessie> IRConan: ?
[01:13] <Volkodav> Once it is untarred I will need to fix the grub  and fstaband new drive should boot I guess
[01:13] <IRConan> mininessie: depends what you're trying to do with it... if you're trying to run a web server the things which will stand out as good are completely different to those which might do if you're trying to run a gaming machine
[01:13] <duffydack> I`ll take your win7 aero and raise you a multiple desktop.. ftw
[01:13] <IRConan> since you're here though I guess you're after a desktop environment for web browsing and such
[01:14] <mininessie> IRConan: yeah and if i ever get my sound working listen to music
[01:14] <Fishscene> Don't forget that you can tweak the linux kernal to suit your needs as well- something you can't do with many of the other major os's
[01:14] <mininessie> IRConan: and i like to learn out to code html css and maybe python
[01:15] <mininessie> how not out
[01:15] <Volkodav> IRConan: I don't need liveCD to do the backyp and the untar to a new drive  right ?
[01:15] <Volkodav> just run from the system
[01:16] <IRConan> Volkodav: are you trying to backup and untar your install?
[01:16] <Volkodav> to the new drive yes
[01:16] <IRConan> I'd recommend booting livecd to avoid things being changed during the process
[01:16] <Volkodav> My SSD came in today
[01:16] <Volkodav> so it's in and formatted
[01:16] <IRConan> then instead of tarring mount both filesystems and rsync accross
[01:17] <Volkodav> what's the benefits vs tar ?
[01:17] <IRConan> rsync is a single operation where tar is 2
[01:18]  * Volkodav never did rsync for backup
[01:18] <IRConan> rsync is made of 100% win
[01:18] <KB1JWQ> rsync works at the block level.
[01:18] <IRConan> KB1JWQ: no it doesn't
[01:18] <IRConan> KB1JWQ: you're probably thinking of dd?
[01:19] <KB1JWQ> IRConan: Nope.  http://www.backupassist.com/blog/support/rsync-how-effective-is-it/
[01:19] <Volkodav> hmm - the tarball comes to 4.1 Gb with root being 9
[01:19] <Volkodav> live CD created one only 1.3 Gb
[01:19] <Volkodav> does not sound right
[01:19] <KB1JWQ> IRConan: I blew away some production data with rsync once.  My self imposed penance was to read its manpage for three days. :-)
[01:20]  * Volkodav stays with tar for now
[01:20] <IRConan> KB1JWQ: were you trying to use the hardlink copy feature for incremental? that's the best if you get it to work but can be risky
[01:20] <KB1JWQ> IRConan: I copied someone else's stanza without understanding it and overwrote some stuff that should not have been touched.
[01:21] <Volkodav> ok - liveCD it is
[01:22] <Volkodav> why was it so small though ? I don't get it
[01:22] <IRConan> Volkodav: you compressed it with gzip didn't you?
[01:22] <IRConan> use -z on the tar command?
[01:23] <_Ba_> hi, I cant install ALSA driver on ubuntu 10.4
[01:24] <crimsun> _Ba_: why do you need to? It's already installed by default.
[01:24] <Volkodav> yes I did
[01:24] <_Ba_> I've cmi8788 audio card and its not installed
[01:24] <Volkodav> I compressed it
[01:25] <crimsun> _Ba_: so use linux-alsa-driver-modules-$(uname -r) from ppa:ubuntu-audio-dev
[01:25] <duffydack> Ive never had rsync only sync changed data (delta), only retransmit the whole file.. what switches does it need?
[01:26] <IRConan> duffydack: -z I think
[01:26] <Volkodav> IRConan: but the archive I did from install is 4.1 Gb - the one from liveCD 1.3 - and I have same include options including cdrom for live session
[01:26] <duffydack> IRConan, thats compression
[01:26] <Volkodav> exclude options*
[01:27] <IRConan> Volkodav: what command did you use to make one from the livecd?
[01:27] <IRConan> duffydack: by default rsync will turn on deltas if it's a network transfer but otherwise copy whole files if they've changed
[01:27] <_Ba_> crimsun: I dont know how to use that
[01:28] <Volkodav> tar -cvpzf backup.tar.gz -exclude=/backup.tar.gz --exclude=/proc --exclude=/lost+found --exclude=/sys --exclude=/mnt --exclude=/media --exclude=/cdrom /
[01:28] <duffydack> IRConan, I shall test that.
[01:28] <crimsun> _Ba_: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Audio/InstallingLinuxAlsaDriverModules
[01:28] <IRConan> Volkodav: ok... if you run that on the livecd then you're backing up the livecd not your install
[01:29] <IRConan> Volkodav: if you've booted to livecd then the best way is to do this...
[01:29] <Volkodav> that was issuied from mounted /
[01:29] <IRConan> Volkodav: may I send you some commands in PM?
[01:29] <Volkodav> cwd was /media/UUID
[01:29] <Volkodav> sure can
[01:30] <Volkodav> other people may learn something too
[01:32] <IRConan> Volkodav: I PM'd so that I wasn't sending many lines to the channel
[01:32] <_Ba_> I need to reboot, thanks for now crimsun
[01:32] <Volkodav> ok
[01:35] <_Ba_> I still dont have any soundcard installed
[01:42] <pepee> hi
[01:42] <pepee> I have a problem: the X is eating my memory
[01:42] <pepee> root       941  4.3 39.7 1249672 1125916 tty7  Ss+  Apr19 174:36  \_ /usr/bin/X -nr -nolisten tcp :0 vt7 -auth /var/run/xauth/A:0-irCRsc
[01:43] <pepee> i'm on kubuntu lucid
[01:43] <agronholm_> http://it.slashdot.org/story/10/04/21/2021247/Ubuntu-LTS-Experiences-Xorg-Memory-Leak?from=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Slashdot%2Fslashdot+%28Slashdot%29
[01:43] <pepee> I had a problem with the ATI driver
[01:44]  * Pici wonders when pre-release bugs became fodder for slashdot articles
[01:46] <pepee> ATI uses DRI1 without KMS.
[01:47] <pepee> I don't understand it: I'm using the ATI propietary driver, it's the same problem?
[01:48] <techhelper1> isn't the rc released?
[01:48] <ZykoticK9> techhelper1, tomorrow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule
[01:48] <MGMTM3> what would be the best drivers in 10.04 for a ATI 4890?
[01:48] <agronholm_> or today, depending on your TZ :)
[01:49] <duffydack> IRConan, ok seems to have worked over ssh.. http://pastebin.org/166639
[01:49] <duffydack> made a zip 1.3gig big, removed 6.2meg from it..
[01:50] <pepee> :(
[01:50] <crimsun> _Ba_: please use http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-info.sh
[01:51] <Lynn^_^> I tried rebooting yesterday and got the message "verifying dmi pool" and it got stuck there.  I haven't opened the computer lately, so no change in hardware, something seems corrupt, but not sure where to start
[01:54] <techhelper1> i wonder will 10.04 will work with my monitor on the full release
[01:55] <techhelper1> since 9.10 can't do 1080p even by xorg editing
[02:02] <pepee> how do I remove the fglrx driver, and go back to the open source one?
[02:03] <pepee> I installed it from the repos
[02:06] <MrDowntempo> my buddy borked his video by putting in a new card. How can he reboot to the xorg configurator?
[02:07] <arand> pepee: just running jockey ("hardware drivers", should be enough, no?
[02:08] <pepee> ok, thanks
[02:08] <virtuald> hold shift down when booting, right after the BIOS POST/logo scree, that should get you to the grub menu where you can boot recovery mode, if you can't even boot
[02:08] <virtuald> mrdowntempo: ^
[02:09] <MrDowntempo> does exact same thing I'm told
[02:09] <erghezi> When running Firefox, hard disk activity goes up for a few minutes
[02:10] <virtuald> mrdowntempo: and what is that?
[02:11] <MrDowntempo> gets to grub, picks normal or recovery, goes staight to a black screen. Monitor tries to switch video modes but nothing on the screen
[02:13] <virtuald> ok, tried ctrl-alt-f1?
[02:15] <tlyng> My nm-applet / indicator-applet does not show networking anymore, anybody know how to bring it back?
[02:15] <meoblast001> hi
[02:15] <meoblast001> i want to make sure i should be getting the beta, so i'll explain my background
[02:15] <ZykoticK9> tlyng, it's not in indicator-applet it Notification Area
[02:15] <meoblast001> i've been using GNU/Linux for quite a few years, i'm somewhat knowledgable in it, and i want to try some newer software
[02:15] <meoblast001> i wouldn't consider myself a guru though
[02:16] <meoblast001> should i get 10.04 or will it be too much of a hassle?
[02:16] <meoblast001> my friend is trying it and said "I'll tell you if this ever boots"
[02:17] <tlyng> ZykoticK9: i've added notification area, nothin :/
[02:17] <ZykoticK9> tlyng, what if you try running nm-applet from alt+f2
[02:18] <virtuald> meoblast001: you could try the live cd
[02:18] <meoblast001> ok, but it takes 2 hours to download an ISO for me
[02:18] <meoblast001> a CD-sized one that is
[02:19] <meoblast001> why did Ubuntu switch to Yahoo?
[02:19] <meoblast001> some Canonical-Yahoo deal?
[02:19] <tlyng> ZykoticK9: i've tried running it manually, nothing. Can't say I see any errors either
[02:19] <Ken8521> meoblast001, i think shuttleworth mentioned that on his blog.
[02:19] <virtuald> yes but i think it's only the search provider, not the start page, and you can easily change it
[02:20] <meoblast001> his blog is downloading very slow
[02:20] <Ken8521> virtuald, from the sounds of it, its no different than MS making Bing their homepage... canonical has a deal w/ Yahoo to use their search engine, but it is very easily modified... non-issue IMO.
[02:20] <ZykoticK9> tlyng, sorry I don't know man.  Best of luck.
[02:21] <tlyng> ZykoticK9: hopefully it's fixed before the final release. It's nothing critical for me, just annoying :)
[02:21] <ZykoticK9> tlyng, if no one has a suggestion on a fix, you should think about reporting a bug
[02:22] <Ken8521> tlyng, whats wrong?
[02:22] <tlyng> Ken8521: networkmanager applet is gone missing.
[02:23] <Ken8521> hmm.
[02:24] <Ken8521> that's weird you've tried adding notification-area, and its still not showing
[02:24] <MrDowntempo> where are the xorg.conf files stored now? if nolonger /etc/X11/xorg.conf ?
[02:25] <ZykoticK9> MrDowntempo, xorg.conf isn't there by default (autoconfigured now) - you can create one and it will be used however
[02:27] <Ken8521> tlyng, u still here?
[02:27] <tlyng> Ken8521: yes
[02:28] <Ken8521> tlyng, open system monitor.. on the processes tab, kill nm-applet and notification-area-applet
[02:28] <Ken8521> tlyng, after both are killed... open a terminal
[02:29] <tlyng> Ken8521: and? :)
[02:29] <Ken8521> tlyng, when you kill notification area, click "Reload"...
[02:30] <Ken8521> if nm-applet doesn't show, run "nm-applet" in terminal
[02:31] <tlyng> Ken8521: when running nm-applet it still does not show, but it's apparantely running (in foreground in terminal)
[02:31] <Ken8521> tlyng, did you kill it in system monitor?
[02:32] <erghezi> http://pastebin.com/zmRiA8ve
[02:32] <erghezi> i have problem with ubufox  package
[02:32] <h00k> yoasif: I'm checking it on my netbook at the moment
[02:35] <tlyng> Ken8521: i've killed it from system monitor and from terminal. I've just traced nm-applet's syscalls in the hunt for clues, no confirmed errors yet.
[02:35] <Ken8521> tlyng, do you have other instances of notification area running in ther terminal(perhaps they are blank)
[02:37] <tlyng> Ken8521: i don't think so, unless the process is named something obscure
[02:37] <Ken8521> hmm, shouldn't be
[02:41] <Ken8521> tlyng, i know i had this problem, just can't remember how i fixed it
[02:42] <tlyng> Ken8521: do you know which package nm-applet is part of?
[02:42] <Ken8521> tlyng, just nm-applet isn't it?
[02:43] <Dr_Willis> has anyone seen the effect where you copy somthing to a Flash drive.. it goes very fast.. then when it gets done.  0 sec left.. it like hangs on the copy for a long time?
[02:45] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, yes
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> Getting rather annoying. :)
[02:45] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, at first i thought i jumped forward about 8yrs and had USB 5.0
[02:45] <Dr_Willis> 353 of 354 copied... 0 seconds left... for the last 2 min+ here.
[02:46] <Dr_Willis> the fast part is due to the cache I think.. but not sure why it hangs so long at the end.
[02:47] <tlyng> Dr_Willis: perhaps the application (nautilius) wait for the kernel to finish writing.
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> Now i got 2 copies hanging at 0 seconds leftl
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> one copy to a differnt flash drive worked fine.
[02:47] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if its a FS issue..
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. If i do a 'sync' command  in termnial. that even hangs.
[02:48] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, hmm.
[02:48] <Dr_Willis> There.. ONE finally finished..
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> and then the 2nd ond.
[02:49] <tlyng> it was probably waiting for the kernel to finish
[02:49] <Dr_Willis> but why on only 1 device..  the other started and finished.. befor the hanging ones got done. :)
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> no info in dmesg. Only diff i can see is that one is using ext3 other is VFAT
[02:50] <tlyng> this is the reason you should unmount media before removing them :)
[02:50] <Dr_Willis> it is unmounted
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> and i waited for it to finish beofr i unmounted it.
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> a 30 sec copy process in gnome.. hangs at 0sec left for over a min+ at times it seems..
[02:51] <Dr_Willis> drag/drop copy... wait... then unmount. to  make sure its done.
[02:51] <PythonPup> Howdy.  I see that you cannot change gconf keys for Matacity right now.  Why is that?  I am not trying to push for it to be changed right away.  I am just curious.
[02:52] <Dr_Willis> PythonPup:  theres ways to lock some keys.  - what keys are you refering to? you using netbook edition? or normal?
[02:52] <Volkodav> IRConan:
[02:52] <IRConan> Volkodav: did it work?
[02:52] <Volkodav> finished rsync
[02:52] <PythonPup> Dr_Willis, normal Beta2
[02:53] <Volkodav> can't seem to boot in this partition
[02:53] <PythonPup> I was going to show someone how to fix the button loacation and all we saw was the locked message.  It is not that big of a deal, but we were curious.
[02:55] <PythonPup> I hope you are not insulted that anyone would move the buttons back.
[02:55] <Ken8521> PythonPup, were you not able to?
[02:56] <PythonPup> U have the buttons on the right on my two test machines.,  I edited the gconf keys a couple of weeks ago.  The new install won't let me change the keys.
[02:57] <PythonPup> That was "I have the buttons..."
[02:57] <Ken8521> PythonPup, really?
[02:57] <Ken8521> u try running gconf-editor as root?
[02:57] <PythonPup> Sure.  I can do a screen grab, if you have any doubt.
[02:58] <PythonPup> No, I will try that.
[02:58] <Ken8521> PythonPup, i installed the daily last night, and i moved them back no problem
[03:01] <PythonPup> That's it.  Running as sudo gives me access.  Thank you, Ken8521
[03:01] <Ken8521> PythonPup, no prob.. kinda stupid if you ask me.. hadn't heard that
[03:02] <PythonPup> I know some of why they moved it.  I would do it otherwise, but as long as I can make it like I want it, I won't fuss.  My next step is to figure out how to put it on the distribution images I make for my group.
[03:03] <gunksta> Having trouble syncing to my UbuntuOne Account. I am logged in via FireFox and I told it to start syncing, but it doesn't do anything. I uploaded some stuff at work and I was hoping to sync to it here on the netbook. I've used the preferences dialog and told it to sync with the server, but no dice. Thoughts?
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> Theres the #ubuntuone channel also.
[03:05] <Dr_Willis> I rarely use the service
[03:06] <gunksta> Thanks Dr_Willis
[03:07] <gunksta> I also need to install XChat on this thing.  Empathy - not so great at IRC
[03:07] <MGMTM3> im pretty sure flash 10 is causing a system slow down after around moderate use of the computer for about 20-30 minutes.
[03:07] <Ken8521> gunksta, empathy - not so great at --- anything
[03:08] <gunksta> I dunno. It works OK as a chat client.
[03:09] <virtuald> at least it doesn't seem to lose msn messages no more
[03:10] <Volkodav> IRConan:  can't boot yet
[03:10] <Ken8521> gunksta, i guess "OK" is in the eye of the beholder, i think it absolutely sucks
[03:11] <darch> makes me miss pidgin
[03:11] <SwedeMike> MGMTM3: not http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA then?
[03:12] <Zelozelos> i know this is totally off topic but im hoping someone can tell me, are there 2 avatar movies like avatar and avatar "return to the world"?
[03:12] <Ken8521> darch, pidgin is still in the repos.. doesn't really take herculean efforts to install
[03:12] <ccmonster> ok, so I did an update today, and now the system wont reboot
[03:13] <darch> i know, and i agree... just trying to +1 the previous comment
[03:13] <ccmonster> Anyone else experiencing this? I started with Beta 1, have been stable the whole time since March 17th or 18th, and today the update botched the whole thing. It doesn't even get to a grub screen or anything.
[03:13] <h00k> Zelozelos: it is off topic, that's better suited for #ubuntu-offtopic.
[03:13] <h00k> Zelozelos: this channel is for Lucid Discussion
[03:14] <Volkodav> well it shows in BIOS as 4th disk and the system sees it as sdd
[03:14] <Volkodav> why does it keep booting in sdb?
[03:15] <Zelozelos> join #ubuntu-offtopic
[03:15] <Zelozelos> oops
[03:16] <MichaelKohler> when having a dialog with a question in it.. where is the "Yes" button natively? left or right side?
[03:16] <ccmonster> ?
[03:16] <ccmonster> anyone know what could have caused the system to crash. Or how to get the system to update
[03:18] <Volkodav> I just copied the system to a new SSD and it keeps booting in the old one or says it does
[03:19] <Volkodav> The grub reads right  fstab seems ok too
[03:22] <ccmonster> So I heard there is a fairly serious memory leak in Lucid Dev. What's the status on that, if anyone knows? And, Is it going to hold anything up, at this point?
[03:24] <SwedeMike> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA
[03:25] <c0vert> anyone else having the issue when your display starts to dim and you move your mouse it doesn't stop? lol
[03:26] <ccmonster> Thanks Sweded mike.
[03:26] <ccmonster> Hey, any clue what updates that came out in the last couple days on Lucid that could have caused my machine to just NOT reboot in to Ubuntu?
[03:26] <NoobFukaire2> is it going to be possible upgrade directly from hardy to lucid for servers or will we need to upgrade through each release?
[03:27] <ccmonster> All I did was install the suggested updates after a sudo apt-get update and it asked me to reboot, I did, and bam. I get bios, then blinking cursor. No grub, nothing...
[03:27] <ZykoticK9> NoobFukaire2, LTS -> LTS is possible!
[03:27] <SwedeMike> NoobFukaire2: LTS->LTS, otherwise you have to go thru each version.
[03:27] <NoobFukaire2> do you know if it's working right now? I googled it and a few people seemed to have gotten dropped into a ramfs afterward
[03:28] <NoobFukaire2> they might have just been early adopters though, I'm just curious if anyone's already managed it successfully
[03:28] <mininessie_> did the shut down log out menu get moved back to corner or is just me
[03:29] <LinuxGuy2009> What is the whole deal with the software center, featured applications button? Is it listing based on popularity or something? or random stuff etc?
[03:30] <mininessie_> did the shut down log out menu get moved back to corner or is just me in ubuntu
[03:31] <c0vert> i guess this pre-release freeze goes until release day?
[03:32] <mininessie_> c0vert: or until the rc is out
[03:32] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, was it somewhere else ever during Lucid?  I certainly only remember it in the corner.
[03:32] <c0vert> ah, that's tomorrow right?
[03:32] <c0vert> mine is definitely in the corner.
[03:32] <ZykoticK9> c0vert, RC tomorrow yes
[03:32] <mininessie_> ZykoticK9: under system menu
[03:33] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, hasn't been under system menu for a while (was it there in karmic?)
[03:33] <MGMTM3> how would I revert from GLX 1.4 to 1.2?
[03:33] <mininessie_> ZykoticK9: well it was there yesterday before i reinstalled ubuntu
[03:34] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, it's never been there under my Lucid since alpha2
[03:34] <SwedeMike> MGMTM3: there are exact instructions on how to get the new PPAs in links in the article.
[03:34] <MGMTM3> thx
[03:34] <mininessie_> ZykoticK9: so alpha 2 had it under system
[03:34] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, no
[03:35] <mininessie_> ZykoticK9: ok then i'm confused
[03:35] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, it's never been there under my Lucid (i installed using alpha2)
[03:35] <mininessie_> well what is ur gnome is it 2.30
[03:36] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, yes 2.3
[03:36] <mininessie_> ZykoticK9: weird
[03:36] <ZykoticK9> Has anyone else seen shutdown under the System menu?
[03:37] <ccmonster> well, i restarted after some updates today, and the whole sys crashed
[03:38] <ccmonster> won't boot back into the os
[03:38] <ccmonster> no grub screen, nothing.
[03:39] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, well people aren't jumping on the yes or no for that question.  But I don't think it was suppose to be under System.
[03:39] <mininessie_> well i know fedora does it that way
[03:40] <ccmonster> and is the release candidate actually coming out tomorrow?
[03:41] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, i just checked on Karmic, it's under under System there either
[03:41] <ZykoticK9> mininessie_, /under under/not under
[03:41] <mininessie_> ZykoticK9: weird why did it appear there for me any who i'm done talking about it
[03:53] <Volkodav> I figured it out
[03:54] <Stik> Feel like I'm on Yahoo... getting messages soon as ya enter lol
[04:02] <flansuse> Is Lucid going to undo the regressions in the GDM login themes and Grub2/startup themes?
[04:07] <Ken8521> flansuse, what regression?
[04:07] <MGMTM3> swede went back to 1.2 and so far everything works great.  Thanks again
[04:08] <flansuse> Ken8521: I call it a regression, not sure if it's the proper usage of it. In pre-Karmic, you could choose / install different themes for the GDM login screen.
[04:08] <flansuse> Ken8521: With Karmic, and I believe it's because of GNOME 2.28, this is not possible anymore.
[04:09] <Ken8521> flansuse, the fact you consider it a regression, doesn't mean it is.
[04:09] <Ken8521> and you can theme the login screen, its just not as obvious how to do it
[04:10] <flansuse> Ken8521: Through gconf?
[04:11] <Ken8521> http://www.webupd8.org/2009/12/gdm-2-gui-configuration-tool-ubuntu.html
[04:12] <flansuse> Ken8521: Since Lucid is going to be an LTS, I just figured there might be a GUI way to change the GDM login theme.
[04:12] <Ken8521> flansuse, its still a work in progress, clearly
[04:12] <Ken8521> but i've used that tool w/ pretty good luck.
[04:13] <flansuse> Ken8521: I've seen that, but noticed it only changes the wallpaper, or at least it looks that way. I'm wondering if Lucid will allow something like these: http://gnome-look.org/index.php?xcontentmode=150&PHPSESSID=dfe36f71ebf0cec12d624496d39a712d
[04:14] <darthanubis> gtk-gnutella, needs ot be updated
[04:14] <Ken8521> flansuse, it is modified by your theme settings that you choose.. your'e right, it is limited... like i said, work in progress
[04:14] <flansuse> Ken8521: Got it.
[04:15] <flansuse> Ken8521: Will be looking forward to Lucid. Already impressed at some videos of the Alphas and Betas.
[04:19] <The_Journey> why does Lucid Lynx hangs so much
[04:19] <agronholm_> The_Journey, hasn't hanged for me yet
[04:19] <Volkodav> I have the correct UUID in grub but it detects different UUID for image
[04:20] <Volkodav> where do I fix it ?
[04:20] <The_Journey> agronholm: I was watching video on FireFox and the computer became really slow
[04:20] <The_Journey> never happened on 9.10
[04:21] <darthanubis> no hanging
[04:23] <The_Journey> oh yea I'm having problem connecting with wi-fi on Kubuntu Lucid Lynx
[04:24] <The_Journey> entered password and chose the correct stuff but it doesn't connect
[04:52] <STiK_> Grr
[05:23] <grendal_prime>  there an upgrade manager that will take my 804 netbook up to 10.04 beta2?
[05:29] <STiK_> woah
[05:37] <crucialhoax> How can I set a picture for my user at the login screen?
[05:40] <shadeslayer> hey guys any idea why alt+f2 isnt working on gnome?
[05:40] <shadeslayer> whats the command to start it? like krunner in KDE ...
[05:42] <virtuald> crucialhoax: click on your user name on the panel, then on the user icon, then on the button with the user icon
[05:43] <crucialhoax> virtuald: Thanks :) I appreciate it.
[05:45] <shadeslayer> soo....
[05:45] <shadeslayer> any ideas?
[05:57] <Moc> no RC yet ?
[05:59] <virtuald> moc: no, releases are always late in the night
[06:00] <Moc> ha it the morning of the 22 lol
[06:00] <Moc> thought we were at night hehe
[06:00] <virtuald> 8]
[06:00] <bp0> hello, i've installed a driver from realtek r8168, to replace the r8169 driver that comes with the kernel... ut there are problems
[06:01] <bp0> the r8169 driver still loads after restart, even if i add it to blacklist
[06:01] <bp0> so, what else can i do to prevent that
[06:01] <virtuald> how do you blacklist it
[06:02] <bp0> add "blacklist r8169" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[06:02] <virtuald> ok then it's something else
[06:03] <virtuald> do rgrep r8169 /etc 2>/dev/null
[06:04] <virtuald> hmm maybe r8169 is loaded early, in the initramfs. in that case you have to run update-initramfs -u -k `uname -r`
[06:04] <bp0> 2 lines result.. my blacklist line and:
[06:04] <bp0> /etc/udev/rules.d/70-persistent-net.rules:# PCI device 0x10ec:0x8168 (r8169)
[06:05] <bp0> trying the second thing...
[06:05] <bp0> i guess i must restart now...
[06:05] <bp0> brb
[06:05] <shadeslayer> hi i cant seem to launch the gnome application launcher with Alt+F2
[06:06] <virtuald> shadeslayer: is it set to alt-f2 in keybinding properties?
[06:07] <shadeslayer> virtuald: yep
[06:07] <virtuald> o.o
[06:08] <shadeslayer> virtuald: btw i have kdm as the login manager
[06:08] <shadeslayer> maybe that is the issue?
[06:08] <virtuald> only if you're trying alt-f2 at the login prompt, which wont ever work
[06:08] <shadeslayer> hehe...
[06:08] <Steil> uhm
[06:08] <Steil> ctrl + alt + F2
[06:09] <bp0> virtuald, thanks
[06:09] <Blue11> why no updates in the last 2 days?
[06:09] <virtuald> :)
[06:09] <shadeslayer> well i used gdm recently and it worked.. but since ive switched to kdm..
[06:09] <shadeslayer> Blue11: archive is frozen,no new packages come in
[06:10] <Blue11> shadeslayer: I thought this might have something to do with it:  http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA
[06:11] <shadeslayer> Blue11: dont think so...
[06:11] <shadeslayer> works perfectly here
[06:12] <Blue11> I have had random lockups - that would certainly explain them
[06:14] <shadeslayer> hmm.. well i have the nouveau driver from the edgers ppa,maybe thats why?
[06:14] <Blue11> friday will be interesting
[06:15] <Blue11> ghetto birds
[06:15] <shadeslayer> oh come on... why wont alt+f2 work!
[06:16] <Blue11> its not over the hump yet?
[06:23] <bilalakhtar> Hello people is lucid lynx quite stable in its beta 2 stage? If it is then I will upgrade to Lucid RC tomorrow
[06:24] <Blue11> unknown they found a memory leak
[06:25] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: i would be better to do a fresh install then an upgrade - less problems
[06:26] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: But I have installed tons of software from PPAs, universe, etc, and It will take time to download and install them after a fresh install
[06:26] <bp0> bilalakhtar, i've had good luck with it
[06:26] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: I don't have a very fast net connection
[06:26] <rafaelsoaresbr> Blue11, Sure
[06:26] <bp0> much better than 9.04->9.10
[06:26] <bp0> that was a catastrophe
[06:26] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: I've never had any luck with doing upgrades - I just backup /etc/ and /home/ and do a fresh install
[06:27] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: You never tried them or they failed?
[06:27] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: failed
[06:27] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: I never tried them, I moved from 8.10 to 9.04 using fresh install, same for 9.04 to 9.10
[06:28] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: Id recommend a fresh installl over an upgrade anyday
[06:28] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: What kind of an error comes???
[06:28] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: unable to boot, boot conf hosed, gdm problems, sound problems, etc
[06:29] <bilalakhtar> I think a network upgrade is nothing but a change of repos and apt-get dist-upgrade
[06:29] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: indeed
[06:29] <jjcv> upgrades work okay if you have installed standard software but if you have installed other stuff ie PPAs then there could be problems.  Backup first.
[06:29] <Blue11> jjcv: pretend it's microsoft - backup early and often
[06:29] <bilalakhtar> jjcv: Aren't the PPAs disabled after upgrade?
[06:30] <bilalakhtar> After all, my question was - Is lucid stable in beta 2? so that I could install RC
[06:30] <jjcv> bilalakhtar: yip but if there can be problems with package and library conflicts that cause problems during upgrades.   Backup first.  :-)
[06:31] <jjcv> bilalakhtar:  It's pretty stable for me.  I have problems with Beta 1 but did a reinstalled of beta 2.
[06:32] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: i have problems with lucid -- sound problems (alsa driver), no compiz (cause of ati's legacy drivers), system tray crashes, gconf/gdm lockups
[06:32] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: is it stable?  that depends really on the hardware you're using - like they say YMMV
[06:32] <bilalakhtar> !ymmv
[06:34] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: My hardware has always caused problems for me in Ubuntu. I have Toshiba bluetooth stack (not supported by the official drivers) , ATI Card (ati card have problems on linux), Soft Modem (have to use proprietary drivers)
[06:35] <bilalakhtar> But still I will brave the upgrade to lucid RC
[06:35] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: the ati deriver are functional in that they work -  but that's about all they do - screen updating is very slow - otoh, I have an old card too.
[06:36] <rafaelsoaresbr> default search engine has been changed to Yahoo... why? oh no...
[06:36] <bilalakhtar> Blue11: I have a new card, 512MB graphic ram, fast chipset, still problems
[06:36] <Blue11> i should never be able to overtype the input buffer, but I do.
[06:36] <bilalakhtar> rafaelsoaresbr: It has been shifted back to google. see this:- http://start.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[06:38] <rafaelsoaresbr> bilalakhtar, isn't it the default home page?
[06:38] <bilalakhtar> rafaelsoaresbr: it is
[06:38] <SandGorgon> This weekend, I'm going back to 9.10 and maybe enable backports - but 10.04 is not worth it for me.
[06:39] <rafaelsoaresbr> bilalakhtar, what is besides adreess bar? Google or Yahoo!?
[06:40] <Blue11> SandGorgon: I had to enable backports in 9.10 to get my wlan card to work
[06:40] <DanaG> Toshiba bluetooth controller... hm, actually, it's more likely a standard BT controller, hidden behind an rfkill device.
[06:40] <bilalakhtar> rafaelsoaresbr: I don't know
[06:40] <DanaG> Consider trying out one of the "kernel-ppa" 34-rc4 kernels.
[06:40] <bilalakhtar> rafaelsoaresbr: you can change that
[06:40] <DanaG> It has a new driver for Toshiba stuff.
[06:41] <Blue11> SandGorgon: http://pkill-9.com/wordpress/?p=152
[06:41] <rafaelsoaresbr> bilalakhtar, thanks, aren't you running 10.04?
[06:42] <SandGorgon> Blue11, yup.. it essentially means all the goodness of 10.04 (drivers, etc.) with none of the crap (Plymouth, etc.)
[06:42] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: This stack is supported, but the problem is that there is no software to enable the toshiba bluetooth stack. it is automatically turned off by the bios, and there is no option in the bios setup
[06:42] <bilalakhtar> rafaelsoaresbr: no
[06:42] <bilalakhtar> SandGorgon: Plymouth is NOT crap :)
[06:42] <Blue11> SandGorgon: plymouth has seen many a system fail -- don't recomend it
[06:43] <Blue11> they should have used a buick!  ;-)
[06:43] <rafaelsoaresbr> what about RC?
[06:44] <bilalakhtar> People, I heard that there is some memory leak problem in Lucid. What is it?
[06:45] <DanaG> "stack" is the wrong word!
[06:45] <SwedeMike> bilalakhtar: x.org
[06:45] <DanaG> The Linux bluetooth stack is Bluez.
[06:45] <SwedeMike> http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA
[06:45] <DanaG> Try installing toshset
[06:45] <bilalakhtar> SwedeMike: I know that it is in x11
[06:45] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: Toshset can only deal with toshiba bios; I have a toshiba laptop with a phoenix bios
[06:46] <Blue11> bilalakhtar: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA
[06:46] <Damascene> I'm not getting any update since yesterday
[06:46] <DanaG> Ew.
[06:46] <Damascene> is there something going on?
[06:46] <Blue11> Damascene: right they are trying to nail things down
[06:46] <DanaG> Does rfkill show anything?
[06:47] <Damascene> Blue11, what does that mean?
[06:47] <Blue11> Damascene: well the memory leak problem they discovered has made them address this issue first - so no more updates till resolved - from what I am seeing
[06:48] <DanaG> http://www.gentoo-wiki.info/Toshiba_Satellite_U400-138
[06:48] <DanaG> Check for "omnibook"
[06:48] <Damascene> ok thanks Blue11
[06:48] <Blue11> Damascene: scroll back and you'll see the link to the article
[06:49] <Damascene> I got it in the mail list
[06:49] <Damascene> but I didn't know about the freeze
[06:49] <DanaG> Consider trying the omnibook module.
[06:50] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: I considered installing it, but I thought ; Why to screw up the system for something that has alternatives like the alternative of bluetooth is usb?
[06:51] <DanaG> Actually, it's not too hard to install just one module.
[06:53] <selig5> about half the time I boot into Lucid the pointer/cursor is a negative image of a cursor
[06:54] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: Omnibook is available in DEB format?
[06:54] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: http://sourceforge.net/projects/omnibook
[06:54] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-587636.html
[06:56] <rafaelsoaresbr> openSUSE is so beautiful, it looks like kubuntu 10.04
[06:57] <rafaelsoaresbr> kde plasma rules
[06:57] <iconmefisto_> rafaelsoaresbr: so... kde is beautiful?
[06:57] <rafaelsoaresbr> iconmefisto_, yes
[06:57] <Ken8521> rafaelsoaresbr, really?
[06:57] <iconmefisto_> rafaelsoaresbr: agreed :)
[06:57] <Blue11> rafaelsoaresbr: i went from suse to ubuntu
[06:57] <Ken8521> kde is the rosie o donnell of linux GUI's
[06:57] <Ken8521> suse is solid
[06:58] <Blue11> Ken8521it's a d*ke?
[06:58] <iconmefisto_> rosie o donnell? what does that mean?
[06:58] <Blue11> Ken8521 yes but novell is on the skids
[06:58] <Ken8521> i only use the gnome version though.
[06:58] <Ken8521> Blue11, yeah, unfortunately, hopefully it gets picked up
[06:58] <Ken8521> iconmefisto_, google image rosie odonnell, you'll see what i mean
[06:59] <iconmefisto_> Ken8521: so you mean kde is ugly? like rosie? that's just insane
[06:59] <Ken8521> iconmefisto_, yes, thats what i mean
[06:59] <rafaelsoaresbr> i'm more familiar with gnome, apt-get. not yum and kde
[06:59] <Ken8521> rafaelsoaresbr, yum is actually for RH distros, has nothing to do w/ KDE
[07:00] <Ken8521> yum, is actually very very similar to apt-get
[07:00] <jjcv> I've always found yum very slow
[07:00] <Blue11> Ken8521 I always used zypper
[07:00] <Ken8521> jjcv, i've not..
[07:00] <rafaelsoaresbr> Ken8521, I mean Ubuntu vs openSUSE
[07:00] <Ken8521> Blue11, never heard of zipper.
[07:00] <Ken8521> rafaelsoaresbr, oh ok.
[07:01] <Blue11> zypper (rpm) is to suse as apt-get is to ubuntu  (dpkg)
[07:01] <Ken8521> oh ok
[07:02] <iconmefisto_> Blue11: that was consise
[07:03] <Blue11> best I could do
[07:03] <rafaelsoaresbr> Ken8521, I have both installed in my laptop.
[07:03] <iconmefisto_> Blue11: no, it was good
[07:04] <rafaelsoaresbr> Grub2 has listed all the six OS installed here. Great!
[07:04] <Ken8521> rafaelsoaresbr, sounds good.
[07:04] <Ken8521> i'm a minimalist for the most part, try not to have 8 OS's on mymachine
[07:04] <Blue11> Ken8521 I dual boot windows and ubuntu
[07:04] <Blue11> i haven't learned how to do vm yet
[07:05] <djbender> So is anyone else refreshing ubuntu.com waiting for the RC? xD
[07:05] <Ken8521> Blue11, depending on what you need VM for, it is VERY easy...
[07:05] <iconmefisto_> Blue11: virtualbox is quite easy to figure out
[07:05] <Blue11> Ken8521 I have never set it up so don't know how to do it.
[07:05] <Ken8521> yup.
[07:05] <Ken8521> Blue11, you can be brain dead and do it.
[07:05] <Ken8521> its that easy
[07:06] <shanks> very easy
[07:06] <Blue11> Ken8521 so easy a zombie could do it?
[07:06] <Ken8521> Blue11, lol, yup.
[07:07] <rafaelsoaresbr> djbender, the RC, it's two o'clock and nothing hapens
[07:07] <Ken8521> Blue11, thats my dual screen setup.... running 10.04 on the left, XP in Vbox on the right.   http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j263/IndyGunFreak/dual.jpg
[07:07] <rafaelsoaresbr> Ken8521, cool
[07:08] <Blue11> Ken8521 omw
[07:08] <MGMTM3> thats a cool setup
[07:08] <Ken8521> i like it
[07:08] <Blue11> Ken8521 what software are you running on the vm to run windows?
[07:08] <Ken8521> i don't boot XP often.. usually to sync my 80gig zune, or my 4gig nano
[07:08] <Ken8521> Blue11, what do you mean?
[07:08] <MGMTM3> lol I boot windows to play video games
[07:09] <Ken8521> MGMTM3, yeah, unfortunately for that, Vbox won't do to well.
[07:09] <MGMTM3> thats it
[07:09] <Blue11> well the vm runs under linux right?  so windows doesn't run natively under linux - so what software ru using to run windows?
[07:09] <Ken8521> Blue11, its called Virtualbox
[07:09] <MGMTM3> yeah linux as much as I love it needs some more game support
[07:09] <Blue11> Ken8521 does it have usb support?
[07:09] <iconmefisto_> Blue11: VMs can run under any OS
[07:09] <DanaG> Ken8521: if Zune uses MTP, there are apps that'll do MTP.
[07:10] <Blue11> DanaG: my sansa mp3 player is supported under linux
[07:10] <Ken8521> Blue11, the "non free" version does.. it doesn't cost money, but you can't modify the source code.. the open source edition, where you can modify source code, does not have usb suppot
[07:10]  * DanaG has a Cowon S9.
[07:10] <DanaG> USB Mass Storage, woot.
[07:10] <Blue11> Ken8521 I need something that runs windows under linux with usb support
[07:10] <Ken8521> DanaG, trust me, a Zune will 100% not sync on Linux
[07:10] <DanaG> Even does Ogg Vorbis, and FLAC.
[07:11] <Ken8521> Blue11, vbox will run USB support fine... what do you anticipate needing vbox for?
[07:11] <Blue11> Ken8521 I'd like to NOT have to dual boot
[07:11] <MGMTM3> yeah I hear microsoft products don't play the best with linux :)
[07:11] <Ken8521> Blue11, i understand... What do you use Windows for?
[07:11] <Blue11> Ken8521 I have a diabetes meter that has no software for linux
[07:11] <MGMTM3> I would love to not dual boot :(
[07:11] <Ken8521> Blue11, hmm, well, its free to try.. do you have a windows cd?
[07:12] <Blue11> yes
[07:12] <Blue11> Ken8521 xp pro
[07:12] <Terminus> i've found that the best way to not dual boot is to have multiple computers. =(
[07:12] <Ken8521> MGMTM3, i dual booted for a long, long time... then i got my Zune to work w/ Samba, after that, i nuked it
[07:12] <Ken8521> Blue11, ok... how much spcae is on your Linux partition?
[07:12] <Blue11> Ken8521 dunno let me check
[07:12] <iconmefisto_> Blue11: there's #vbox if you have questions about setting it up too
[07:13] <MGMTM3> Ken8521, yeah as soon as I can figure out how to game on linux it will be bye bye windows
[07:13] <Blue11> Ken8521 I have about 60 g free
[07:13] <Ken8521> MGMTM3, i think thats a lone way out.
[07:13] <Ken8521> Blue11, thats PLENTY..
[07:13] <Ken8521> you want me to talk you through it real quick?
[07:13] <Blue11> sure pm okay?
[07:13] <MGMTM3> ken8521 I hear you
[07:13] <Ken8521> um, yeah.. thats cool
[07:13] <DanaG> Ken8521: consider downloading the Media Center "Royale" theme.
[07:13] <DanaG> It looks far nicer than stock XP.
[07:14] <Ken8521> DanaG, well, considering XP is booted for about 5-10min a month no my machine..lol, i don't care what it looks like
[07:14] <MGMTM3> haha
[07:14] <DanaG> http://grandstreamdreams.blogspot.com/2008/10/xp-embedded-theme-cool-blue.html
[07:14] <MGMTM3> DanaG true though the royale theme is much nicer to look at.  takes away the fisher price look
[07:14] <DanaG> there's also that one, now.
[07:14] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: Omnibook didn't work for me
[07:15] <DanaG> Bummer.
[07:15] <MGMTM3> There is always windows 2000 :D
[07:15] <DanaG> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=316358&page=11
[07:16] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: Thanks for this guide :_
[07:21] <bilalakhtar> DanaG: Thanks, IT WORKS!!!!!!!!
[07:21] <bilalakhtar> !!!!
[07:21]  * bilalakhtar is a happy guy now
[07:21] <DanaG> Cool.
[07:21] <MGMTM3> what is the off topic channel?
[07:21] <LinuxGuy2009> Hey guys I just got back with a copy of Avatar and I was wondering if I can just use dd to make an ISO of it and then watch it on my netbook in bed with VLC or Totem-Xine?
[07:21] <SandGorgon> Lancelot launcher in Kubuntu also looks nice (have to install it explicitly in 10.04) http://www.postimage.org/image.php?v=aVy8VUS
[07:21] <bilalakhtar> !ot > MGMTM3
[07:22] <DanaG> There are things that can make rips of blue-ray.  True enough, it is off-topic.
[07:22] <LinuxGuy2009> No its the DVD format
[07:23] <SandGorgon> LinuxGuy2009, checkout out Handbrake
[07:23] <LinuxGuy2009> So I have to rip it? Cant just make an ISO and play that so i dont have to wait for encoding before i watch it?
[07:24] <DanaG> Not sure... it may be possible.
[07:24] <LinuxGuy2009> handbrake dont work on lucid anyways.
[07:26] <SandGorgon> LinuxGuy2009, of course you can use dd "dd if=/dev/cdrom of=~/cdrom_image.iso"
[07:26] <LinuxGuy2009> Thats what Im trying right now. Thanks. Cant wait to see this movie!
[07:32] <Ken8521> hmm, what movie was that?
[07:45] <Damascene> http://uppix.net/e/6/9/087dd1ea4d06f542f6b1cf36f7b5b.png I've this kernel error problem that couldn't report
[07:48] <Damascene> ubuntu-bug said that I the kernel I've have is old but I was updated
[07:57] <iconmefisto_> Damascene: try changing download sources and update/upgrade
[07:58] <nishanth> any one know how to make plymouth-solar work?
[08:14] <nishanth> any one know how to make plymouth-solar work?
[08:15] <iconmefisto> nishanth: did you see my answer before?
[08:16] <nishanth> no
[08:16] <iconmefisto> nishanth: if you've already installed it, sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[08:17] <iconmefisto> nishanth: after choosing the theme, sudo update-initramfs -u
[08:19] <nishanth> iconmefisto: i enter the number for the selection but then it repeat re-display the msg to enter the selection
[08:21] <pepee> well, no more memory leak from X for me
[08:22] <iconmefisto> nishanth: is the * on the solar theme after it re-displays the list?
[08:22] <pepee> at least after some hours of using my pc
[08:23] <Fudge> hi guys, why does openoffice get downlaoded with apt-get during an upgrade
[08:24] <nishanth> iconmefisto: the * is on 0 ... but it should be on 1
[08:25] <nishanth> 10
[08:26] <nishanth> oh ok figured it out
[08:26] <iconmefisto> nishanth: so it's the 10th choice on the list? I wonder if the 2 digits is the source of the problem
[08:32] <avgeneral> running lucid, volume control in notification shows "---"
[08:32] <avgeneral> cannot control volume
[08:40] <Ken8521> avgeneral, i take it you're getting no sound... right?
[08:40] <avgeneral> surprisingly i do get sound
[08:40] <avgeneral> I just can't change the volume
[08:41] <Ken8521> avgeneral, just as a tst, open a terminal, and type "alsamixer" no quotes, hit enter
[08:41] <Ken8521> and see if you can adjust the meters there, and ajust your sound
[08:41] <avgeneral> yes i can
[08:41] <firbfs> Hello
[08:42] <Ken8521> what happens when you go to system/pref/sound
[08:42] <firbfs> Anyone heard of issues with 10.04 and wine?
[08:42] <firbfs> Installs but that is all I can get to work
[08:42] <avgeneral> waiting for sound system to respond
[08:42] <avgeneral> stuck at that window
[08:42] <Ken8521> hmm, that doesn't sound right
[08:42] <avgeneral> not it doesn't
[08:43] <Ken8521> firbfs, if you're having a problem installing an app in wine, thats really best left to #wine
[08:43] <topyli> firbfs, nope, wine is working just as before
[08:43] <firbfs> Ok, thanks
[08:44] <Ken8521> wine works fine for me as well
[08:44] <iconmefisto> wine works better than previously, at least for sketchup
[08:44] <topyli> firbfs, you're not trying to "run wine" are you? sorry, just checking :)
[08:44] <Ken8521> i thought there was a linux version of sketchup?
[08:44] <avgeneral> I think the Start Up Applications might have indirectly broke the Sound manager
[08:45] <iconmefisto> Ken8521: really? news to me
[08:45] <Ken8521> iconmefisto, i could have swore there was.
[08:45] <Ken8521> i might be thinking of google earth or some other google app
[08:46] <avgeneral> btw anyone know if the RC version has been released yet?
[08:46] <Ken8521> dunno..
[08:47] <bullgard4> When will Update Manager send an automatic notification on my desktop that new updates are available?
[08:47] <avgeneral> never showed up on mine
[08:47] <Ken8521> probably when its available.. :)
[08:47] <avgeneral> I had to start it manually
[08:47] <avgeneral> and there lots of updates available
[08:47] <Ken8521> it's shown up on mine most of the time, usually though, i update manually before it does
[08:50] <bmwiedemann> I have a problem with NIS groups on lucid. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gdm/+bug/553142
[08:52] <bmwiedemann> Does someone here have NIS experience? is nsswitch.conf supposed to need the "nis" behind "compat" ?
[08:53] <artnay> what is the chance that this bug - https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/560306 - only occurs on i5/i7 and 5xxx combination?
[08:54] <artnay> 5xxx GPUs seem to work just fine for some but I have no idea which CPU/chipset they use
[08:54] <bmwiedemann> artnay: I'd thing graphics chip has most impact. CPU is usually not an issue. Sometimes 32/64 bit can matter.
[08:54] <artnay> bmwiedemann: this happens on both 32 and 64 bit
[08:55] <bmwiedemann> are there different drivers for hd5xxx cards? such as fglrx?
[08:56] <artnay> bmwiedemann: the thing is that people are unable to even boot live CD (so there's no possibility to enable fglrx)
[08:57] <bmwiedemann> but hd5xxx cards are pretty recent, so maybe the driver doesnt do KMS properly
[08:58] <artnay> bmwiedemann: yes, they were released like 6-7 months ago. and since then those GPUs have been the most sold separate GPUs which only makes this bug more serious (a lot of people unable to even boot the system)
[08:59] <bmwiedemann> artnay: so it would be good to either fix KMS or have the driver auto-disable it for this kind of device
[09:00] <artnay> I think I saw a bug report of this on kernel bugzilla and it had some comments that those GPUs would work on .33 - obviously the patch hasn't been imported to Ubuntu's kernel
[09:00] <bmwiedemann> I heard a lot of .33 code has been backported to ubuntus .32 already
[09:01] <bullgard4> When will Update Manager send an automatic notification on my desktop that new updates are available?
[09:02] <howlymowly> hi poeple... short question:  for a lot of packages in ubuntu lucid I get "no candidate version found" i guess this is because I am using the beta version?
[09:04] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: get any errors when you sudo apt-get update ?
[09:05] <howlymowly> iconmefisto: nope
[09:05] <howlymowly> my problem is specifically about python2.5
[09:05] <howlymowly> it say no candidate version found for python2.5
[09:06] <iconmefisto> !info python2.5
[09:06] <billy2007> does anyone here acctually work for ubuntu can you tell me why the appearence of my screen keeps changing
[09:07] <howlymowly> ubottu: what do you mean "does not exist" :) why is it in my package list then?
[09:08] <howlymowly> hmm. what's the command for the bot to tell me why python2.5 does not exist :)?
[09:08] <howlymowly> hmm. i guess google...
[09:08] <howlymowly> i the command
[09:08] <billy2007> there wont be a command
[09:09] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: try searching for the package at http://packages.ubuntu.com
[09:09] <billy2007> its not in lucid end of
[09:10] <howlymowly> billy2007: but why is it in my updated package list in aptitude? (I am just interested how this stuff works)
[09:10] <BUGabundo_remote> Get up on your Horse, and Ride till the Sunset 0/
[09:10] <sveinse> How come the fonts of the console is different from emacs fonts?
[09:11] <billy2007> that i couldnt tell you hmm
[09:11] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: other sources? PPAs maybe?
[09:13] <iconmefisto> !info python3
[09:13] <howlymowly> !info python2.5
[09:13] <howlymowly> !info python2.4
[09:14] <howlymowly> iconmefisto: I'll search for it :)
[09:14] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: there's python2.5 packages for karmic
[09:14] <howlymowly> would it be easy to add a karmic ppa to my ppa list iconmefisto?
[09:15] <howlymowly> installing all the python2.5 requirements by hand could be somewhat difficult
[09:15] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: it would be easy to do, but depending on what you install, it could be messy, or even disastrous
[09:15] <howlymowly> hmm..  and there is no workaround :)?  something similar like the ubuntu backports ppa...
[09:16] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: google for a ppa with python2.5 for lucid specifically
[09:17] <joaopinto> howlymowly, it's very unlikely that you find one
[09:17] <howlymowly> joaopinto: reasons :)?
[09:17] <joaopinto> holstein, obsolete
[09:17] <joaopinto> ops howlymowly
[09:18] <joaopinto> most currently supported software has moved to 2.6 some time ago
[09:18] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: joaopinto tends to be right about most things :)
[09:19] <joaopinto> iconmefisto, ;)
[09:19] <howlymowly> too bad that the software I need depends on python 2.5 ^^
[09:19] <billy2007> can anyone tell me why i have to open the appearce windo everytime i start up lucid it resetsd everytime i restart
[09:20] <howlymowly> but still the issue with the ppa: why is python 2.5 in my aptitude list then? --> I did a fresh install of kubuntu 10.04 joaopinto, iconmefisto
[09:20] <vega> billy2007: because of a bug
[09:20] <artnay> bmwiedemann: it's mentioned in the bug report that nomodeset and/or radeon.modeset=0 (which should disable KMS) don't seem to work
[09:20] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: I actually have it installed, I suppose left over from karmic
[09:21] <howlymowly> ahh.. so that's why... just so that ubunu does not deinstall it when upgrading from karmic...
[09:22] <iconmefisto> howlymowly: if I try reinstalling it, I get: Reinstallation of python2.5 is not possible, it cannot be downloaded.
[09:22] <howlymowly> kk... i see
[09:22] <bmwiedemann> artnay: only for some it worked and for some it didnt.
[09:22] <joaopinto> howlymowly, did you upgrade ?
[09:22] <joaopinto> from karmic to lucid ?
[09:22] <howlymowly> nope..  i did a fresh install joaopinto
[09:22] <billy2007> vega what do you mean a system glitch because its alpha or just my pc
[09:23] <sveinse> How come the font rendering differs so much for Monospace 8 (96 DPI) from Slight to None/Medium/Full Hinting?
[09:23] <joaopinto> howlymowly, apt-cache policy python2.5, there is no installation candidate
[09:24] <howlymowly> joaopinto: i guess I will install the packages from karmic then, manually..
[09:24] <billy2007> howlymowly, you may chave bneen better going from karmic you SHOULD be able to kep most programs when upgrsading
[09:24] <joaopinto> howlymowly, that will break your system
[09:25] <joaopinto> I mean, it might break
[09:25] <howlymowly> actually I tried an update...  but for some reason that update broke my system...
[09:25] <howlymowly> i did not want to go throgh the hassel of figuring out, why and repair it.. i just threw a fresh install on my computer
[09:25] <iconmefisto> joaopinto: what I don't understand is why 2.5 is still installed rather than upgraded after karmic > lucid
[09:26] <billy2007> same here
[09:26] <howlymowly> iconmefisto: python 2.6 was already the successor of 2.5 in karmic 2.5 was just there for backwards compatibility
[09:27] <howlymowly> so there was no need to upgrade it i guess
[09:28] <bp0> so when's this RC gonna drop, yo?
[09:31] <ikonia> bp0: any chance you could ask that in no-gangster english ?
[09:32] <bp0> do you have a problem with gangster english?
[09:32] <joaopinto> bp0, today
[09:32] <ikonia> bp0: yes, it's not clear what people are actually asking, the channel is for clear English please.
[09:33] <joaopinto> ikonia, the question was quite clear despite the "bad" english, do we have a new policy which enforces good english ?
[09:33] <ikonia> joaopinto: things like non-leet or text speak yes
[09:33] <joaopinto> if that's the case you may need to warn non native english speakers also
[09:33] <ikonia> gangsta speak is just another extension of that
[09:34] <joaopinto> ikonia, did you have problems understand his question ? Is he violating some rule ?
[09:34] <ikonia> joaopinto: everyone makes grammatical errors, it's not a problem, but text/leet/gansta style chat is just not called for and makes it harder for people who are non-english speaakers
[09:34] <bp0> don't actually speak like this, it was kindof a joke.
[09:34] <ikonia> bp0: that's cool then
[09:34] <joaopinto> ikonia, I am not an english speaker and could easily understand it :)
[09:34] <ikonia> joaopinto: not every non-english speakers, not all are as fluent as yourself
[09:35] <joaopinto> ikonia, same applies to several users which don't have a proper english to be understandable ;)
[09:35] <iconmefisto> take the "yo" off and it's not very gansta
[09:35] <ikonia> joaopinto: very true
[09:36] <joaopinto> bp0, but if you installed beta and kept upgrading you are using RC
[09:36] <joaopinto> the archives have been frozen the last couple of days
[09:36] <ikonia> I thought a few patches had slipped through though ?
[09:37] <ikonia> or did that happen before the freeze ?
[09:37] <joaopinto> oh wait, I have updates today
[09:37] <ikonia> ahhh good, you too then
[09:37] <artnay> bmwiedemann: are you aware if these files - http://aur.archlinux.org/packages.php?ID=33016 - are included? in the original bug report it's loading rv710 which isn't even for 5xxx series! (though his/hers lspci says 4350)
[09:38] <bmwiedemann> artnay: sorry, have no idea.
[09:38] <bp0> aside:  check out the text in "Forget Your Ride, Pimp Your German!" box...
[09:38] <bp0> that is funny.
[09:39] <ikonia> it's also not really for this channel
[09:39] <joaopinto> grr, wait, I am on a pre-RC-freeze system
[09:39] <joaopinto> this updates are pre-RC
[09:40] <osiris> Morning all
[09:40] <joaopinto> toda there is an upgrade, bit it's cairo-dock from universe
[09:40] <joaopinto> main is frozen
[09:41] <osiris> Has anyone noticed a bug with screensavers locking up the system?
[09:41] <vega> "startup applications" is still broken 9.10 and 10.04 .. all own additions disappear randomly
[09:42] <ikonia> joaopinto: ahhh that makes more sense, the updates aren't coming from mine
[09:42] <ikonia> mane
[09:42] <ikonia> main even
[09:42] <MGMTM3> osiris morning (night here) I have noticed when I was using GLX 1.4 I had lock ups on the screen saver.  I went to 1.2 and everything has been fine since.  I don't know if they are related though.
[09:43] <osiris> I dont know whether its the ATI Drivers MGMTM3
[09:44] <osiris> Ahh, That's weird i just tried typing my screensaver password into the "locked up state" and it let me back to the desktop
[09:44] <MGMTM3> osiris, I am just using the stock open source ATI driver since the proprietary one wasnt working too well in the first place.
[09:44] <iconmefisto> osiris: open source ati, or fglrx?
[09:45] <osiris> iconmefisto, fglrx is there still a problem? i thought it had been fixed for beta2
[09:45] <osiris> looks like the screensaver wasnt focusing on the password dialogue
[09:45] <MGMTM3> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/GEMLeak try this
[09:46] <iconmefisto> osiris: I use the opensource driver. screensavers don't cause a problem here, but I occasionally get X crashing and restarting. maybe once every 2 days
[09:47] <osiris> I will do some more testing
[09:47] <osiris> 10.4 is looking very nice though
[09:48] <MGMTM3> indeed 10/4 is looking great.  Feels very refined for a beta
[09:57] <allo> hi
[09:57] <allo> does somebody know how the partman in lucid installer changed?
[09:57] <allo> preseeding with partition-layout seems not to work correct, anymore
[09:57] <allo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/partman-partitioning/+bug/568290
[10:00] <nishanth> plymouth doesnot work during boot.....anyone know how to fix it?
[10:00] <CaNoc> hello, how can I disable auto-start service?
[10:06] <artnay> bmwiedemann: I can't even find Evergreen firmwares from linux-firmware so... no wonder if it doesn't work!
[10:07] <bmwiedemann> artnay: but it should be made to fail gracefully... i.e. notice that it cant work and disable KMS
[10:07] <artnay> bmwiedemann: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/linux/+bug/560306 see my last comment. these CEDAR, CYPRESS, JUNIPER, REDWOOD firmwares are missing!
[10:10] <bmwiedemann> artnay: original reporter states that he doesnt have hd5xxx himself but knows those people. thus the lspci
[10:14] <alvin> nishanth: Do you get an error message?
[10:14] <maxb> Has anyone found that graphical display corruption has been sporadically happening with recent lucid?
[10:14] <maxb> Across both nvidia and ati cards
[10:16] <DanaG> Love that "To Be Filled By O.E.M." bit.
[10:16] <artnay> bmwiedemann: yeah, true. anyways I added one more comment: "Evergreen support seems to be missing from linux-firmware."
[10:17] <DanaG> The evergreen naming is "nice"... but it's hard to tell if cedar < cypress < juniper (or whatever).
[10:19] <nishanth> alvin: no it just simply dont show up
[10:22] <nishanth>  plymouth doesnot work during boot.....anyone know how to fix it?
[10:23] <iconmefisto> nishanth: so you can boot ok, but don't see the boot splash?
[10:25] <red2kic> Hi all. What packages are responsible for analyzing hardware / properitiy drivers? I usually enable Nvidia Drivers in jockey-gtk. However, on Lucid, it never came up and I ended up installing it manually (particular packages). Now it's under Jockey. It is activated, but not in use. Suggestions?
[10:28] <iconmefisto> red2kic: you could try using jockey-text in terminal
[10:28] <nishanth> iconmefisto: it was not visible before also.....but i see it during shutdown
[10:28] <red2kic> iconmefisto: No available drivers.
[10:29] <iconmefisto> red2kic: sudo jockey-text -l  (should hopefully list the driver you installed)
[10:30] <Fudge> hi, beta2 did an update upgrade and not sure why but when i log in through gdm now it goes to desktop and then back to gdm. how can i fix please?
[10:31] <iconmefisto> red2kic: if it's listed use the -e option to enable it. see jockey-text --help
[10:31] <red2kic> iconmefisto: kmod:nvidia_current - nvidia_current (Proprietary, Enabled, Not in use)
[10:32] <iconmefisto> red2kic: rebooted since installing it?
[10:33] <Fudge> any ideas please? xsession error says cant read .profile but its there and my user owns it
[10:33] <red2kic> iconmefisto: Yup. I have reboot. Also, I enabled it. The command return successfully (but nothing significant occurs).
[10:35] <red2kic> Brb. GOing to try and reboot.
[10:36] <iconmefisto> nishanth: do you have ati graphics?
[10:36] <nishanth> plymouth doesnot work during boot.....anyone know how to fix it?
[10:36] <Fudge> i get plymouth mountall errors but didnt know what it meant
[10:40] <alvin> Probably that plymouth isn't stable yet. I'd pay money to have an LTS release without plymouth/upstart/mountall.
[10:41] <red2kic> iconmefisto: Back. The /var/log/Xorg.0 reports (EE) Failed to initialize GLX extension (Compatible NVIDIA X driver not found).
[10:42] <AnxiousNut_at_C> Is this normal? it's been more than 7 days only getting partial upgade/update when i try to update the system!!
[10:42] <DanaG> bug 559761
[10:42] <DanaG> Fudge: check that link.
[10:43] <iconmefisto> red2kic: so your card is not supported by the driver? I don't know much about nvidia drivers. all I have now is ati on 2 ubuntu installs
[10:45] <Fudge> danag not sure i can sorry, im blind and in console with a different screen reader im not used to
[10:45] <Fudge> does it say how to fix it?
[10:48] <alvin> mountall doesn't output errors to the console, but to a plymouth 'theme'. If I understand it correctly, the logic is mingled in the GUI code.
[10:52] <VitorAvelino> what time rc will be release?
[10:53] <Fudge> dam my number sign isnt where it should be i get £ insetad
[10:53] <Fudge> u cant comment with that can you in fstab?
[10:56] <Fudge> so is there a fix for not being able to login?
[10:56] <iconmefisto> Fudge: maybe you could copy/paste an existing # in fstab for now?
[10:56] <Fudge> i had a swap file in there that i dont have, coz of hte funny wya i had to install
[10:57] <Fudge> brb hopefully this works
[10:57] <Fudge> :d
[11:06] <ranjan> Wheres the Release Candidate!!!!!!!
[11:06] <ranjan> Wheres the Release Candidate!!!!!!!
[11:07] <HagenaarsDotNu> ranjan: this day still has a lot of hours left for it to be on time :)
[11:08] <ranjan> HagenaarsDotNu, So will it be available today itself??
[11:09] <turtlesoup> is there a specific time when releases are usually made?
[11:11] <beyondcr> dose anyone know if the creative xfi cards will be supported in 10.4? I am going nuts trying to get mine to make some noise...
[11:12] <HagenaarsDotNu> There are several people working on the release as we chat, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseProcess gives an indication of general release activity
[11:12] <Scarra3> Hey has the RC been released yet
[11:13] <AnxiousNut_at_C> does any body know when RC is going to be released?
[11:13] <yofel> AnxiousNut_at_C, Scarra3, turtlesoup: the release will be out sometime today, we don't know more than that
[11:14] <AnxiousNut_at_C> yofel: thanks for telling me, i didnt know it was due today! thanks again
[11:14] <Scarra3> Ok thx
[11:14] <pramod> Hi All
[11:14] <yofel> it will be announced in the topic when it's out
[11:15] <pramod> I hav a squid server bases on ubuntu
[11:15] <pramod> i want to block P2P at my site using squid
[11:15] <CaNoc> how can I disable auto-start service in 10.04?
[11:15] <pramod> how do i do it using iptables
[11:15] <HagenaarsDotNu> could somebody place https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ReleaseProcess in the topic, this might answer the questions about "is it there yet"
[11:16] <yofel> CaNoc: auto start? system service or user session service?
[11:17] <CaNoc> yofel: system service
[11:17] <pramod> anybody with ideas
[11:17] <CaNoc> yofel: don't know how to disable it with upstart
[11:17] <yofel> CaNoc: use update-rc.d for sysvinit scripts and for upstart scripts edit the 'start on' statement in  the /etc/init/<service>.conf file
[11:18] <CaNoc> yofel: so I must edit that .conf file? no command to do it?
[11:18] <yofel> CaNoc: no, not yet
[11:18] <CaNoc> yofel: thanks
[11:19] <BUGabundo_remote> on darn... release day
[11:19]  * BUGabundo_remote  mutes this  #
[11:20] <CaNoc> and I want to disable splash at boot up
[11:20] <CaNoc> want to know what's starting up
[11:22] <yofel> CaNoc: remove 'quiet splash' in /etc/default/grub and run 'sudo update-grub' after that to disable splash and show kernel  messages
[11:23] <alvin> But you will no longer see the error messages of mountall if you do that.
[11:28] <bmwiedemann> pramod: squid is a web-proxy. it can not block P2P
[11:29] <bmwiedemann> pramod: but you could block everything with iptables and just let squid communicate with the outside. was that what you meant?
[11:29] <yofel> alvin: why that?
[11:30] <alvin> yofel: bug 563916
[11:31] <yofel> bot gone...
[11:31] <alvin> Yeah, I was waiting for it
[11:31] <yofel> got it anyway, thanks
[11:32] <alvin> It's default on Ubuntu server. We server admins don't like splash stuff, but they took our error messages as well :-(
[11:32] <alvin> It's 'Linux for human beings', not 'Linux for sysadmins'
[11:33] <AnxiousNut_at_C> lol
[11:35] <yofel> yeah, I'm getting that feeling too for a while now...
[11:35] <yofel> wb ubottu
[11:38] <alvin> Question for the gnome users out here. Did you get XDMCP back at login in Lucid? (it's called 'remote servers' or someting)
[11:40] <crazy2k> Was the RC released?
[11:41] <bazhang> sometime later today
[11:43] <crazy2k> Ok :)
[12:05] <Take0n> Hello
[12:05] <Take0n> I have a problem with lucid. Almost everytime I try to boot my computer it crashes at the login window. I think it has to do with plymouth but it takes 9 out of 10 tries before I am able to login..
[12:09] <lapion> do you have an  intel video chipset ?
[12:10] <Take0n> how do I check?
[12:10] <Take0n> it's a HP notebook
[12:10] <iconmefisto> Take0n: lshw -c display
[12:10] <lapion> boot in safe mode and do lspci
[12:12] <matec> hi, are there still known problems with mountall?
[12:12] <Take0n> product: C51 [Geforce Go 6150]
[12:12] <Take0n> vendor: nVidia Corporation
[12:12] <matec> I justed booted up, my disks were checked and know mountall is consuming 100% cpu
[12:12] <matec> now
[12:12] <mungojerry> takeon, have you tried removing "quiet splash" from the kernel command at boot time?
[12:13] <mungojerry> i had problems with my geforce 5200 which were similar
[12:13] <Take0n> mungojerry, no I didn't and I don't even know how to do that
[12:13] <Take0n> I would do everything to be able to boot at first try.. cause when it crashes or goes to a blank screen I am not even able to shutdown the notebook by holding down the button
[12:14] <Take0n> I have to disconnect both battery and ac power to be able to turn it off
[12:14] <Take0n> it's very annoying
[12:14] <alvin> matec: Yes, there are still problems with mountall
[12:14] <mungojerry> when grub menu appears, press e on the line which you would normally select. then use arrows and delete key to remove the words "quiet splash", then hit ctrl-x to boot with those options
[12:14] <lapion> pressing the power button for more then 10 sec should turn off an y motebook
[12:14] <iconmefisto> mungojerry: you had to remove quiet too?
[12:14] <matec> alvin, it just stopped running... I have no idea what it was doing
[12:14] <Take0n> mungojerry, I don't see grub it boots directly ubuntu
[12:15] <Take0n> I have only ubuntu lucid installed
[12:15] <mungojerry> iconmefisto - not necessarily but it helps you see whats happening i guess.
[12:15] <Take0n> lapion, I know it should but it doesn't
[12:15] <yofel> matec: bug 567964 maybe
[12:16] <sinistrad> my laptop, also an HP, has problems with login screen - the mouse cursor isn't present until after I log in. I'm running nVidia 9600GT
[12:16] <mungojerry> takeon, just after the bios POST, then press arrow keys to get into grub menu, but be quick :P
[12:16] <iconmefisto> Take0n: to see the grub menu, hold down left shift key before booting, until it appears
[12:16] <matec> yofel, yes thank you
[12:17] <Take0n> thanks
[12:17] <Take0n> so I press e, remove quiet splash and press ctrl+x to boot then what?
[12:17] <petermaple> hi! anyone has a update for compiz of 0.8.4-ubuntu15? i update it but can never see my window border again~how is it going?
[12:17] <iconmefisto> Take0n: or you could edit the grub menu so it always boots without splash
[12:17] <sinistrad> only once have I seen the mouse cursor, and it was an xwindow cursor
[12:18] <Take0n> iconmefisto, if it boots without splash how would it look like when login window appears?
[12:18] <Take0n> I mean will it still be as it is now? username, photo pass etc
[12:18] <Take0n> ?
[12:18] <iconmefisto> Take0n: no idea how gnome login looks, but in kde the login screen would appear as normal
[12:19] <alvin> Booting without splash is nice, but be warned that you will NOT see mountall errors
[12:19] <sinistrad> Take0n, I believe removing splash will only get rid of the ubuntu logo with the status lights before you reach the login screen
[12:19] <mungojerry> correct
[12:20] <Take0n> aah could you please tell me how to edit the file right now so it will always boot without splash?
[12:20] <Take0n> and thanks for your time btw =)
[12:20] <iconmefisto> Take0n: edit /etc/default/grub
[12:21] <iconmefisto> Take0n: remove "quiet splash" from the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT= line
[12:21] <iconmefisto> Take0n: after editing, do sudo update-grub
[12:21] <Take0n> GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[12:22] <Take0n> should I comment the whole line or just remove "quiet splash" ?
[12:22] <Take0n> or just leave it "" ?
[12:22] <ccmonster> hey guys, when is the release candidate due today?
[12:22] <iconmefisto> Take0n: just remove it. leaving the quotes shouldn't be a problem. either way
[12:23] <iconmefisto> Take0n: commenting that line might work too, but I'm not sure
[12:23] <Take0n> I left empty quotes
[12:23] <Take0n> thank you! I will try it soon and hopefully it will work!
[12:24] <iconmefisto> Take0n: don't forget sudo update-grub after the edits
[12:24] <Take0n> oh thank you!
[12:25] <alvin> And press 'M' if your boot is stuck and you don't know what happened. With any luck, you'll get a recovery shell.
[12:26] <ccmonster> hey guys, if on boot, all i get is a blinking cursor, what are some options?
[12:27] <alvin> For all people who want to know what is going on at boot: vote for this bug 328881
[12:28] <alvin> It's currently marked invalid, but I wouldn't know where else to ask for content in /var/log/boot
[12:30] <yofel> you get boot logging if you add --verbose or --debug to the kernel line I think, upstart catches those options
[12:30] <yofel> alvin: and that bug is not invalid, only the ubuntu bug task is invalid,  the official taks is accepted/whishlist
[12:31] <topyli> printing to my smb printer, i get about 1 page per minute. this is not very fast. is it a known bug or am i just unlucky?
[12:31] <alvin> Ah, good that it's not invalid. Does changing the kernel line put the output in /var/log/boot ? The official method is /etc/default/bootlogd, but that isn't working (and potentially destructive)
[12:32] <petermaple> can anyone help me with my question? compiz 0.8.4-ubuntu15 can't working properly~
[12:32] <ccmonster> no one?
[12:32] <ccmonster> I can't even get a boot :|
[12:32] <ccmonster> I did a update yesterday, and on reboot, poof. Blinking cursor, no grub screen, nothing.
[12:32] <yofel> not sure, we have a /var/log/boot.log, but I don't know what exactly gets there
[12:35] <alvin> ccmonster: Have you tried Alt+F7 during boot?
[12:35] <alvin> and can you tell us a bit more about your setup? disks, volumes, RAID,...
[12:36] <ccmonster> I have not tried F7
[12:36] <ccmonster> alt+F7
[12:36] <ccmonster> 2 partitions. Main, and I mounted a seperate one to /home/oldstuff
[12:37] <alvin> Wait? what? Only 2 partitions should be / and swap.
[12:37] <ccmonster> Well, of course.
[12:37] <alvin> on 1 disk?
[12:38] <ccmonster> Let me rephrase. swap , / , and a seperate partition mounted into /home/oldstuff/
[12:38] <ccmonster> 1 disk
[12:38] <alvin> What filesystems? ext3/4?
[12:39] <ccmonster> 4
[12:39] <alvin> That setup doesn't look very troublesome to me. Can you boot with a livecd?
[12:39] <ccmonster> haven't tried yet
[12:39] <ccmonster> I am at home, and its an extra work machine
[12:40] <ccmonster> was trying to get a lead/diagnosis so I knew what to do on that machine since I wont have a working computer for a little bit
[12:40] <ccmonster> I am sure a live cd will boot just fine
[12:41] <alvin> Well, it's a beta OS. I have no better answer yet. There are still a lot of issues.
[12:42] <ccmonster> Sure.
[12:42] <ccmonster> It is RC day however :|
[12:50] <alvin> Good news: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes There will be output in /var/log/boot !
[12:55] <faruk> hi eveyone
[12:55] <sinistrad> My mouse cursor is invisible on the login screen
[12:55] <faruk> where is rc?
[12:55] <faruk> will it release today?
[12:56] <faruk> or are there any change log about rc?
[12:56] <sinistrad> faruk, there has been talk in here that it will
[12:56] <faruk> sinistrad: i'm new
[12:56] <thux> hi, is every boot fsck bug or a feature in lucid? all my three netbooks do fsck in every boot
[12:57] <faruk> how can i find change log about 10.04 rc?
[12:57] <sinistrad> not sure.  I'd have to google it if I wanted to know
[12:58] <Pici> faruk: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynx/ReleaseNotes
[12:59] <sinistrad> thux, I'm not sure if that is some sort of feature with netbooks or not. Many have SSD drives, but I'm not sure of the checking routine on those
[13:00] <thux> ok thanks
[13:00] <sinistrad> hang out for a bit and ask again, someone might know
[13:01] <thux> ok sure thanks
[13:01] <faruk> Pici: there is no change logs, i want a list like this one http://www.ubuntu.com/testing/lucid/beta2
[13:01] <iconmefisto> thux: fsck running on boot and never completing?
[13:01] <sinistrad> I mean, I've been here a few weeks asking about my mouse, but I haven't found anyone answering on that one yet. It isn't a big deal tho.
[13:01] <faruk> but there is no yet :)
[13:01] <ccmonster> someone told me to try ALT-F7 on boot for my hanging system? what's the going to do?
[13:02] <thux> iconmefisto: yes
[13:02] <Pici> faruk: Then wait for the RC notes to come out.
[13:02] <iconmefisto> thux: I did see a bug with that symtom. I'll see if I can find it
[13:02] <thux> thanks
[13:03] <ccmonster> and RC is still scheduled to release today?
[13:03] <iconmefisto> Bug #554079
[13:04] <ccmonster> ?
[13:04] <thux> ah ok
[13:04] <Pici> ccmonster: yes
[13:04] <bazhang> ccmonster, later today yes
[13:04] <iconmefisto> thux: says fix released
[13:04] <ccmonster> what does ALT+F7 do on boot? someone said that is something to try on my hanging system?
[13:04] <thux> ok I try to upgrade
[13:05] <ccmonster> its lucid, and after a sudo apt-get upgrade, it asked to reboot. And bam. hangs. Wont boot. just blinking cursor.
[13:05] <tottto-drummond> hello, is the RC out yet ?
[13:06] <Pici> no
[13:06] <tottto-drummond> any idea on when it ll be avbl ?
[13:06] <Pici> When its done.
[13:07] <tottto-drummond> is it still supposed to be out today ?
[13:07] <bazhang> tottto-drummond, yes
[13:07] <yofel> ccmonster: alt+f7 or usually ctrl+alt+f7 switches to tty7 where you X session should usually be (trying tty8 is a good idea too). Helps if you land in the wrong tty after boot
[13:07] <iconmefisto> ccmonster: they were probably thinking X may be running, but for some reason display had switched to a virtual terminal. alt-F7 would switch back to the X display
[13:07] <tottto-drummond> ok thanks
[13:08] <Pici> The topic here will be updated when the RC is out.
[13:08] <ccmonster> ok. Yea. im not even into the OS yet.
[13:08] <ccmonster> terminal or x or otherwise. Just blinking cursor and hangs
[13:08] <sinistrad> sounds like the topic needs to be changed so people coming in here won't have to ask if/when RC will be out
[13:09] <ccmonster> I know its needy sounding, but is the RC expected in like, 2hrs, 10hrs or like 11pm EST?
[13:09] <ccmonster> lol
[13:09] <Traveler9> Im having a problem with 10.04b2... im trying to install x64 1004b2 and all iget on my aptop is keyboard = man in circle
[13:09] <yofel> sinistrad: it will be changed once the RC is out, not before
[13:10] <yofel> ccmonster: there is no defined time, it's not even 22nd UTC, could be 22nd in some US timezone
[13:10] <ccmonster> what is the UTC time btw?
[13:10] <yofel> @now
[13:11] <yofel> ccmonster: use 'date -u' if you want to check it yourself
[13:11] <Traveler9> should i wait for rc? i have never had issues installing x64 ubuntu on this notebook
[13:11] <ccmonster> my system is crashed :|
[13:11] <sinistrad> yofel well, I mean you might want to put in that it is NOT out, otherwise you're going to get every other person in here asking about it.
[13:11] <yofel> sinistrad: the topic says beta2 is out, which means the rc isn't out yet
[13:12] <ccmonster> yes. You should still probably say, RC NOT out. Try Beta 2 or something.
[13:12] <sinistrad> yofel, I understand, but I'm not the one that will be explaining all day about it - hehe
[13:13] <ccmonster> lol
[13:13] <yofel> sinistrad: well yes, if you want go to #ubuntu-ops and propose the change to the operators, be prepared to be rejected though
[13:13] <Traveler9> anyone know what the keyboard symbol = man in bubble means?
[13:13] <ccmonster> lol
[13:14] <yofel> ccmonster, sinistrad: also, if you don't want to wait get a daily image, the images haven't changed since the 19th and I doubt the rc images will be different
[13:14] <Traveler9> ooh is it saying that my keyboard skills are jedi?
[13:14] <Traveler9> looks like a jedi with a force shield
[13:15] <sinistrad> yofel, I'm not actually worried about the RC.  I was only mentioning to help you fine folks out
[13:15] <Pici> sinistrad: Thanks for the suggestion, but I think we're okay right now :)
[13:15] <remu> I've been out of the Ubuntu loop for a while, so I was wondering if there is a particular time of day that new releases are put out.
[13:15] <bazhang> remu, no
[13:15] <sinistrad> lulz
[13:15] <remu> bazhang: thanks
[13:18] <Traveler9> anyone know what keyboard i= man in bubble means?
[13:19] <Pici> Traveler9: Maybe if you take a screenshot of it we will know what you're talking about, because I have no idea what you are describing.
[13:19] <Traveler9> cant i get it on boot crom cd to install
[13:19] <Traveler9> its a black screen with a keyboard logo = man in bubble
[13:19] <Traveler9> at the bottom
[13:21] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: this 'man in bubble' thing is strange, if you could take a picture (as screenshots are presumably not available) and post a link, that would help
[13:21] <jumbers> I'm guessing the RC hasn't been posted yet?
[13:22] <Traveler9> ok im fixing to upload picture
[13:22] <sinistrad> I think Traveler9 is referring to the login screen, where you have a few options at the lower right-hand corner.  That is how I see it on gnome
[13:22] <bazhang> jumbers, topic will change when it is
[13:22] <Traveler9> no it hasnt jumbers... it can be any time today
[13:22] <tsimpson> you can tell when it's released, the download page will be updated
[13:23] <Pici> And the topic here
[13:23] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: you're seeing the 'assistive technologies' logo
[13:24] <Traveler9> http://i41.tinypic.com/dgjqy8.jpg
[13:25] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: it can help you log in with an onscreen keyboard etc if you can click on it.
[13:25] <Traveler9> it just stops at a black screen with that logo at the bottom
[13:25] <HagenaarsDotNu> can you see a mouse cursor?
[13:26] <sinistrad> lol - I can't
[13:26] <HagenaarsDotNu> =>
[13:26] <Traveler9> i have ubuntu 9.10 and netbook remix on this notebook, and had no problems installing.... and there is no mouse cursor
[13:26] <defswork> compiz doesnt start when I log in - if I go into appearance/visual effects and choose normal it starts ok and I get window decoration back
[13:26] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: what happens if you press ctrl+alt+f1?
[13:27] <Milos_SD> Hi
[13:27] <sinistrad> defswork, I had to reinstall compiz
[13:27] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: you should get a prompt
[13:27] <defswork> remove and reinstall or force reinstall ?
[13:27] <sinistrad> aptitude reinstall
[13:27] <Traveler9> no prompt
[13:27] <Milos_SD> I can't play any video with Totem, and non of gstreamer apps works. It try to find plugins,  but doesn't find any. I have all gstreamer packages installed :S
[13:28] <sinistrad> defswork, metacity probably isn't running either
[13:28] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: so the screen stays the same? Do you have a usb keyboard laying around?
[13:28] <HagenaarsDotNu> and a usb mouse
[13:28] <defswork> sinistrad, reinstall didnt fix it :|
[13:29] <sinistrad> defswork, are you able to start metacity?
[13:29] <judgen> I am looking for a gtk rhythmbox replacement that has sorting by file hierarcy, preferably with a treeview.
[13:29] <judgen> I am tired of using foobar2000 through wine.
[13:29] <Traveler9> nm i pressed ctl and the install screen comes up
[13:29] <remu> judgen: I *think* exaile does that. You might want to look at that.
[13:30] <defswork> before or after starting compiz ?
[13:30] <defswork> metacity starts ok from cmd line
[13:30] <judgen> remu, thanks i will.
[13:30] <defswork> and I get decoration
[13:30] <sinistrad> either.  I'm thinking once compiz is reinstalled, and the gui is restarted, it should load metacity itself
[13:31] <defswork> shouldnt compiz replace metacity though ?
[13:31] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: so you're ok now?
[13:31] <Traveler9> but now it wont do anything when i make a selection on the install splash screen
[13:31] <sinistrad> defswork, not sure.  I'm just giving you the hints that were handed down to me to get it working
[13:31] <Milos_SD> I can't play any video with Totem, and non of gstreamer apps works. It try to find plugins,  but doesn't find any. I have all gstreamer packages installed. What can be the problem?
[13:31] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: it takes some time after you select your install method
[13:32] <defswork> sinistrad, yeah compiz kills metacity  - they are both window managers
[13:32] <Traveler9> ok
[13:32] <defswork> both run ok though - just not at log in
[13:32] <sinistrad> defswork, ok, have you restarted gdm?
[13:32] <Traveler9> i may just wait for rc
[13:32] <defswork> I just logged out and back in - let me try that
[13:33] <HagenaarsDotNu> Traveler9: you're trying a beta2 cd? that shouldn't differ much from rc
[13:33] <alvin> Or use a daily (zsync should get you there fast)
[13:33] <Traveler9> oic
[13:33] <defswork> sinistrad, still not runnign
[13:33] <sinistrad> defswork, you can also check in .xsession-errors to see if something gives a clue
[13:34] <sinistrad> defswork, that will be in your home dir
[13:34] <defswork> yeah - there are
[13:34] <defswork> unable to execute compiz.real
[13:34] <defswork> /usr/bin/compiz.real
[13:34] <defswork> as it's now called compiz
[13:34] <defswork> I guess
[13:35] <fabio333> compiz is a script around compiz.real
[13:35] <yofel> fabio333: not anymore, the script is gone and compiz.real is now compiz
[13:35] <sinistrad> defswork, hopefully someone knows how to get that started.
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[13:36] <defswork> fabio333, on my machine /usr/bin/compiz is a 255kb binary
[13:36] <defswork> and compiz-decorator looks like a script
[13:36] <Traveler9> cd shows activity but still nothing
[13:36] <defswork> I have no compiz-real
[13:37] <yofel> defswork: what happens if you run compiz --replace
[13:37] <judgen> remu, not exactly what i wanted but the looks is awsome and its good enough.
[13:37] <defswork> yofel, it works
[13:37] <allu2> Hello, i upgraded to lucid beta2 and now my Omnibook XE3-GF doesn't work, get's stck after grub putting background light on and off every 2 sec no change if i wait even 10mins, if i press ctrl+alt+F* screen background light turn on and stays empty :S
[13:38] <defswork> metacity isnt running either so there is no replace actually done
[13:38] <defswork> but --replace still works obviously
[13:38] <fabio333> gconf-editor --> desktop->gnome->session->required_components
[13:39] <fabio333> see later
[13:42] <defswork> required compnents has compiz for windowmanager
[13:43] <judgen> remu: Do you know if its possible to have exaile in an systray icon?
[13:44] <sinistrad> defswork, same as mine
[13:45] <bazhang> judgen, with alltray?
[13:45] <bazhang> !info alltray
[13:46] <judgen> got it installed now.
[13:47] <topyli> system tray eh
[13:48] <kevina> hello all - is it just me, or have there been no updates for the last 24 hours or so.. nothing appearing in update manager
[13:48] <topyli> kevina, nope, no updates
[13:49] <kevina> ok, well that's alright then.. ;-)
[13:50] <HagenaarsDotNu> kevina: today is RC-day, which usually doesn't see many updates
[13:52] <remu> judgen: I believe it has a tray icon....but can you minimize it to the tray, I don't know
[13:52] <kevina> I had a feeling it might be to do with RC - thanks for the info.. Shaping up to be a really solid release so big thanks to the devs
[13:53] <sinistrad> unreal the amount of updates that come through the repos daily
[13:53] <remu> sinistrad: even more on a rolling release
[13:54] <sinistrad> remu, Yep, I've been using ubuntu for a few years now. I'm used to it
[13:54] <remu> sinistrad: I meant ArchLinux
[13:54] <sinistrad> remu, ahh, I was on gentoo before.  Never used Arch
[13:55] <sinistrad> I just wanted to give credit to the devs that put out a huge amount of work
[13:55] <remu> I used to use Ubuntu myself, then tried Arch and haven't been willing to give it up now. Though I still run Ubuntu on the family computer, just not on my laptop.
[13:55] <remu> sinistrad: oh most definitely, we'd be no where without the devs
[13:55] <kevina> i don't find the ubuntu updates to interfere with day-to-day operation, unlike windows...
[13:56] <remu> kevina: or like the mac updates either. I don't want to have to restart after every upgrade! haha
[13:57] <sinistrad> kevina, *shudders* at windows "we installed a new font, you need to reboot" Anyhow, this is off-topic so I'll stop it
[13:57] <Dimmuxx> yeah osx updates are really annoying, almost everything requires a reboot
[13:57] <kevina> remu: exactly! every so often i am forced to boot Vista, and every time, it's update hell, with reboots required, machine slow downs, etc.. Oh, and the antivirus has to update itself.......and on and on...
[13:58] <remu> Dimmuxx: tell me about it. That's why the mac screen on my desk here at work has been off for over a month. I'd rather just do my work on the linux box uninterupted
[13:59] <kevina> didn't realise osx updates were such a pain, but i've only used a mac very occasionally... whatever, linux is a dream - you can just get on with your work...
[14:00] <remu> mmhmm
[14:00] <defswork> linking /usr/bin/compiz to compiz.real works - but something somewhere is wrongly thinking compiz is started by running compiz.real
[14:00] <Dimmuxx> one thing is nice with osx updates though, those that require a restart are marked as such
[14:00] <Dimmuxx> too bad it's most of them ;)
[14:01] <remu> haha true
[14:01] <remu> I never use iLife, but updating it still requires a reboot, pfft!
[14:02] <iconmefisto> getting way off-topic
[14:03] <patdk-wk> iconmefisto, no topic better than offtopic :)
[14:04] <defswork> hmm ok it's a problem with saved-session
[14:04] <defswork> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-session/+bug/498203  I edited my saved-session and got rid of .real
[14:04] <SandGorgon> anybody using kubuntu, are you guys having suspend/resume problems as well ?
[14:04] <callaghan> iconmefisto: apparently many are waiting for a "rc is out" notification
[14:06] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: I am, but I don't think it's kubuntu/kde at fault. this laptop just doesn't like resuming with linux
[14:07] <yofel> I have suspend issues in the meaning that pressing 'sleep' in the menu does nothing, 'sudo pm-suspend' works fine though
[14:08] <yofel> with KDE
[14:08] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, it used to work fine in 9.10
[14:08] <SandGorgon> yofel, that is something I'm gonna try. thanks!
[14:09] <SandGorgon> my problem is that it suspends, but when it resumes I just get a black screen
[14:09] <yofel> it worked a few days ago, but yesterday I got a bunch of dbus errors, rebooted and since then it doesn't work anymore
[14:09] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: that's what I get, but it was the same in karmic
[14:09] <joaopinto> hi
[14:10] <Nom-> Hi all... i've got a script which creates a custom Ubuntu ISO... it's been used for Hardy, Gutsy, Edgy and some other distros, but i'm having trouble getting it going for Lucid.  The installer has dependency errors when configuring the system.  I was wondering if there's some better tools for building a custom ISO, or should I just wait for release and that should be sorted?
[14:10] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, hmm.. i did switch to Gnome for a long time. so its a KDE issue..
[14:11] <jadams_> this morning I did an upgrade/reboot, and my nvidia driver no longer works.  I've tried installing every possible version, every one fails to initialize.  I don't have the nvidia0 device it's supposed to create
[14:11] <sinistrad> yofel, SandGorgon, iconmefisto, my laptop does the same thing. Lots of errors about device changes when coming back from closing the lid on the laptop
[14:11] <jadams_> I'm installing the driver from the nvidia website in an effort to get it working again, which I absolutely abhor doing :(
[14:12] <SandGorgon> sinistrad, is there a bug in KDE for this ? this is making my laptop very unusable.. I mean I do have to work
[14:12] <sinistrad> jadams_, I've been pretty successful with the nvidia reference drivers that build off your kernel, but when you update the kernel it breaks and you have to run it again
[14:12] <joaopinto> Nom-, don't expect the release to fix something which no longer works related to a random script :)
[14:13] <Nom-> joaopinto: The issue doesn't appear to be the script itself... it seems the packages are being updated and dependencies
[14:13] <yofel> jadams_: and which will put your system into a state which we don't support, do you get an error if you run 'sudo modprobe nvidia'?
[14:13] <Nom-> Yesterday a different set of dependencies were broken to today
[14:13] <joaopinto> Nom-, try to reproduce it manually, if you can, file a bug report
[14:13] <Nom-> The script works by pulling down the latest versions of packages and building the ISO from that
[14:13] <sinistrad> SandGorgon, I actually have no idea.  I have no machines running KDE. Gnome is doing it for me, but I think there's a problem that goes deeper than just a desktop not coming back up
[14:13] <joaopinto> but it may be related to the inclusion of packages which are no longer provided
[14:14] <joaopinto> Nom-, also take a look at "apt-cache search livecd"
[14:14] <jadams_> sinistrad, yofel - I hate using nvidia drivers for those reasons.  I get "FATAL: Module nvidia not found." now
[14:14] <thiebaude> Ken8521, i still got the same problem
[14:14] <jadams_> that's with nvidia-173 installed
[14:14] <Nom-> It's not desktop we customize.. it's alternate
[14:15] <Nom-> Basically we use the fai-client/fai-server tools to make a fully automated install CD
[14:15] <SandGorgon> sinistrad, right... you could file a bug with whatever info you have. Atleast I would contribute to the bug for my suspend/resume issues
[14:15] <sinistrad> SandGorgon, I believe it has more to do with re-establishing the "connection" to the hard drive, because most of mine show SATA errors
[14:16] <yofel> jadams_: ok... do you have a module named something like 'nvidia-173.ko' in /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/ ?
[14:16] <joaopinto> Nom-, ok :|
[14:16] <sinistrad> jadams_, I think you should be able to find release 195 from nvidia's website
[14:16] <yofel> sinistrad: 195 is in the repository
[14:17] <sinistrad> yofel, jadams_ Nice!
[14:17] <Nom-> at a very basic level, the goal of the script is to include a preseed file and some custom packages which make it easy to do an install without sitting in front of the machine at all
[14:17] <yofel> !info nvidia-current | sinistrad
[14:17] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: just wondering, why is suspend so important? why not just shutdown?
[14:17] <gartral> hey all. gdm is borked and is failing on load. ive spent a week tracing logs but everything crashes at X and gdm, kdm however. is valiently stable, and gnome loads fine after the system has been started with kdm. the real question is, how do i  make kdm the default greeting manager?
[14:18] <jadams_> yofel, I do have that module
[14:18] <yofel> gartral: try 'sudo dpkg-reconfigure kdm' and select kdm
[14:18] <sinistrad> thanks yofel. I'm not needing it now, but good to know when kernel update breaks the nvidia reference drivers.
[14:18] <yofel> jadams_: hm, what happens when you run 'sudo insmod /lib/modules/$(uname -r)/updates/dkms/nvidia-173.ko' ?
[14:19] <gartral> gnome just died hard
[14:19] <yofel> gartral: what graphics driver?
[14:19] <jadams_> yofel: I already tried modprobe nvidia-173 which seemed to succeed, so it says file exists....but I have no /dev/nvid*
[14:19] <mandrew> how do i set up a VPN service in ubuntu 10.04?
[14:19] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, without ranting.. it is highly, highly convenient
[14:20] <gartral> yofel nvidia-restricted from ubuntu hardware driver manager
[14:20] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, especially if you are writing code.. I mean even my DB comes up in the exact same state and all. I just suspend at work and come home and resume
[14:20] <yofel> ah, hm...
[14:20] <Arabus> hey, I am currently trying to install lucidy server on a dell poweredge r510 with a PERC 6/i raid controller. Sadly though the installer does not recognize the logical nor the physical hard drives during the installation process leaving me with no hard drives to install the OS on. Anyone heard of that or nkow a fix?
[14:21] <iconmefisto> SandGorgon: ok, I see. I've never really wanted to suspend, so haven't really looked into what's not working
[14:21] <yofel> jadams_: hm, I have the file here but I didn't reboot for a while and can't do so atm
[14:21] <jadams_> iconmefisto, suspend, on a laptop, is ~vital
[14:21] <sinistrad> Anyone have any idea why my mouse won't show up at the login screen where I (would normally) click on the user to log in with?
[14:21] <jadams_> yofel, yeah, I've run lucid on this machine for quite a while with no problems, and others at my office run lucid with no problems
[14:21] <jadams_> i did a dist-upgrade and an upgrade, though, and since then it's been broken (this AM)
[14:21] <iconmefisto> jadams_: I have a laptop that won't do it. I just don't see the big deal
[14:22] <SandGorgon> iconmefisto, in Jaunty, I believe I once went 4 months without a reboot
[14:22] <jadams_> iconmefisto, if you'd used suspend you'd see the big deal :)
[14:23] <gartral> arabus you might be stuck looking for linux-drivers from PERC and using the alt install cd for installing them
[14:23] <iconmefisto> I'm inspired to get suspend working now :)
[14:23] <yofel> suspend is vital on my EeePC, waking up with password takes ~10sec, booting and starting all apps that I need 2-3min
[14:23] <gartral> yofel why? what could i do to fix this?
[14:23] <gintonic> Does anyone have some anecdotes about jigdo vs zsync when downloading Ubuntu alpha->beta->RC->Release and so on. Which is more efficient?
[14:23] <Arabus> gartral: hmm ... sounds like... seems like a lot of people had one or two problems with perc :-/
[14:24] <mandrew> how do i set up a VPN service in ubuntu 9.10?
[14:24] <yofel> gartral: no idea, KDE is stable here, don't know how to debug gnome, maybe check /var/log/Xorg.0.log.old if something happened to X
[14:24] <gartral> maNdrew ask in #ubuntu
[14:24] <eax> Hi there - I have a problem with my Nvidia FX5600 -  I cannot chose other resolutions than 320x240 and 640x480. What can I do to run the correct resolution? Using the nvidia controlpanel this is.
[14:25] <gartral> yofel. empty, tried that. ststem iis thourly dead before x can spit a log
[14:26] <SandGorgon> mandrew, if ur using gnome then u need to install network-manager-openvpn-gnome
[14:26] <gintonic> RC is out?
[14:26] <mandrew> @gartral if one asks anything about techie stuff in ubuntu channel you get a smart arse saying that one are soused to ask it here
[14:27] <mandrew> sandgordon were do a newbie find that?
[14:28] <yofel> mandrew: might be, but we don't support karmic here
[14:28] <sinistrad> mandrew, they sent you in here because you asked how to set it up in 10.04, which is what this channel is for.
[14:29] <mandrew> yea and i did ask about 10.04 earlier but no one answered so i tried with 910 instead
[14:29] <mandrew> so im using 10.04
[14:30] <judgen> eax: Have you a dpms capable screen?
[14:30] <eax> judgen: dpms? I have no idea, it's an old CRT
[14:31] <judgen> eax: aah, then no. Good thing. Can you set it in nvidia-settings?
[14:31] <eax> judgen: That's where the problem is :( nvidia-settings only allow me to set it to 320x240 or 640x480 :/
[14:32] <judgen> eax: Tried the noveau driver?
[14:32] <eax> judgen: Noveau?
[14:32] <judgen> eax: the new opensource nvidia driver.
[14:32] <thiebaude> !nvidia
[14:32] <tottto-drummond> RC still not out
[14:33] <judgen> thiebaude: he is allready using the binary blog.
[14:33] <mandrew> so no help then
[14:33] <eax> judgen: Okay thanks :) Trying it
[14:33] <thiebaude> how old is the crt?
[14:34] <DASPRiD> does anyone know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/542210 will be fixed anytime soon?
[14:34] <eax> thiebaude: No idea :P a couple of years I guess
[14:34] <DASPRiD> not being able to install with raid1 is bad
[14:34] <thiebaude> ok
[14:35] <eax> judgen: I cannot seem to find it in the Nvidia section
[14:35] <thiebaude> !xrandr
[14:36] <judgen> eax: i think its included by default nowdays.. you just have to select that driver instead of the binary one from nvidia.
[14:36] <thiebaude> i remember someone was saying add resolutions in xrandr
[14:37] <eax> judgen: In Hardware drivers? There's only 173 and 96 :S
[14:38] <eax> thiebaude: Trying thanks :)
[14:38] <thiebaude> yw:P
[14:39] <eax> Didn't work though :/
[14:40] <thiebaude> wonder if your crt has a limited on the resoltutions it can displat
[14:40] <thiebaude> display
[14:41] <ibkanat> numpaddoesnt work for me anymore am I going to need to do a total reinstall next week?
[14:41] <eax> thiebaude: Don't think so. I have made it work with 1280x1024 before
[14:41] <thiebaude> ahh ok
[14:41] <thiebaude> just wondering
[14:41] <gintonic> Wow, I just got RC. It was identical to daily from 20th
[14:42] <allu2> i have upgraded to lucid and it doesn't boot, screen background color goes on and off in 2sec sections
[14:42] <allu2> going to text based only turns background light on but shows nothing
[14:43]  * thiebaude wow ubuntu studio use alot of memory,lol
[14:43] <QueenZ> hello
[14:43] <QueenZ> When should Ubuntu 10.04 RC be out?
[14:43] <gintonic> QueenZ: Out now
[14:43] <HagenaarsDotNu> QueenZ: somewhere today
[14:43] <allu2> HW info: Omnibook XE3-GF , pentium 3 1,06Ghz, RAM 500mb
[14:44] <QueenZ> sounds good
[14:44] <allu2> worked enought well with Karmic
[14:46] <s0u][ight> hi guys
[14:46] <s0u][ight> the release date for rc is today
[14:46] <s0u][ight> but still no release
[14:47] <rohan> s0u][ight: "today" is relative, depending on your time zone
[14:47] <rohan> there are places where it is not even thursday yet :)
[14:47] <s0u][ight> gtm+1
[14:47] <callaghan> s0u][ight: right, but "today" isn't over yet ;)
[14:47] <thiebaude> and places where it is friday,lol
[14:47] <rohan> thiebaude: huh? you sure?
[14:48] <thiebaude> yes in australia and such
[14:48] <s0u][ight> well, my laptop hasn't run linux for a long, very long time (i think it is sick using windows and mac os)
[14:48] <HagenaarsDotNu> rohan: yes, though barely past 0:00 ;)
[14:48] <rohan> ah ok
[14:52] <s0u][ight> guys is it ok that i mention that i think i got a rc link?
[14:53] <callaghan> s0u][ight: where is it *hooray* :)
[14:53] <rohan> s0u][ight: i guess
[14:53] <shadeslayer> hey are the notifications supposed to be about 5cm down the shut down button in gnome?
[14:53] <rohan> shadeslayer: yes
[14:53] <shadeslayer> or should they stacked up
[14:53] <shadeslayer> rohan: hmmm
[14:53] <thiebaude> where where,lol
[14:53] <s0u][ight> http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/ <= the link to the download (32 or 64 bit) says its rc
[14:53] <shadeslayer> rohan: cant i push them up?
[14:53] <rohan> since the notifications in ubuntu have no interaction at all, no, you can't
[14:54] <shadeslayer> btw i got my gnome menu to display just gnome apps :P
[14:54] <thiebaude> i need to get off this ubutu studio
[14:54] <s0u][ight> ubuntu-10.04-rc-desktop-i386.iso
[14:54] <rohan> s0u][ight: awesome thanks, works for kubuntu too
[14:54] <callaghan> s0u][ight: you are right, thanks!
[14:54] <s0u][ight> :) hope i didn't do anything bad
[14:54] <thiebaude> s0u][ight, thanks
[14:54] <thiebaude> for the link
[14:54] <Dimmuxx> great, time to switch to 64bit then :)
[14:54] <rohan> only thing is, if the mirrors are not completely synced, we may get corrupted/partial CD images
[14:55] <s0u][ight> i'm going to try the 64 bit version, to any op around, sorry if i did something that isn't allowed
[14:55] <s0u][ight> i know ubuntu is strict in release moments
[14:55] <HagenaarsDotNu> so0u][ight: there goes server bandwidth for the mirroring ;)
[14:56] <rohan> and that too, yes
[14:56] <rohan> i really wish they had delta-iso from Beta2 -> RC!
[14:56] <gintonic> zsync from beta2 was fairly painless. 74% complete
[14:56] <gunsofbrixton> hi, can someone tell me or point me to a link to whether the xetex package in lucid has been updated?
[14:56] <s0u][ight> just started my download :)
[14:56] <gintonic> rohan: Use zsync
[14:56] <thiebaude> im about to soon
[14:56] <rohan> gunsofbrixton: packages.ubuntu.com/xetex
[14:56] <akSeya> hey
[14:56] <rohan> gintonic: you sure it works?
[14:57] <gintonic> rohan: It works GREAT!
[14:57] <thiebaude> got to blank a cd first
[14:57] <rohan> gintonic: and to save me the googling, can you please tell me how?
[14:57] <Nom-> ooo nice
[14:57] <gintonic> rohan: Sure...
[14:57]  * Nom- proceesds to kick off a mirror update
[14:57] <Dimmuxx> 63caa19670e629503bf0a8415844e662 is the checksum I've got on the amd64 iso
[14:57] <s0u][ight> Dimmuxx, wait till i finish download i'll check it
[14:57] <rohan> Dimmuxx: well, just verify with - http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/MD5SUMS
[14:58] <s0u][ight> :)
[14:58] <gunsofbrixton> rohan: so that basically means it has not been updated, is that right?
[14:58] <Dimmuxx> looks correct then
[14:58] <rohan> gunsofbrixton: the version you see on the link i gave you is the latest
[14:58] <gintonic> This is the command I used to zsync server "zsync -i ubuntu-10.04-beta2-server-amd64.iso http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/ubuntu-10.04-rc-server-amd64.iso.zsync"
[14:58] <s0u][ight> 10% ^^
[14:59] <rohan> gintonic: thanks a lot
[14:59] <gunsofbrixton> rohan: ah sorry got it, thanks
[14:59] <gintonic> zsync takes multiple -i if you like. List as many images as possible. You never know which ones share data.
[14:59] <s0u][ight> there was this trick i always used, change a download link with the one expected to be, works from time to time :D
[15:00] <gintonic> Also zsync does hash check at the end.
[15:01] <rohan> thanks, gintonic , i'll try it right now
[15:01] <callaghan> uh oh... "Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at releases.ubuntu.com."
[15:01] <eax> Hi there - I have a problem with my Nvidia FX5600 -  I cannot chose other resolutions than 320x240 and 640x480. What can I do to run the correct resolution? Using the nvidia controlpanel this is.
[15:02] <tjz> can i see what kind of new features for the upcoming 10.04?
[15:02] <tjz> :)
[15:02] <thiebaude> !10.04
[15:02] <charlie-tca> tjz: when the release notes come out,
[15:02] <thiebaude> hi charlie-tca :)
[15:02] <charlie-tca> Hello, thiebaude
[15:03] <Nom-> interesting... the RC appears to have been out for at least several hours
[15:03] <s0u][ight> caio guys
[15:03] <Nom-> At least the ISO is... it's already been pushed to my mirror
[15:03] <Nom-> or pulled i should say
[15:03] <yannick_d> Hi, cannot find the edubuntu rc for 386. Where is it?
[15:03] <thiebaude> i should of choose quick blanking,lol
[15:04] <rohan> gintonic: how much lesser do you need to download, thanks to zsync?
[15:04] <Nom-> i spoke too soon.. my mirror is pulling them down right now :)
[15:05] <yannick_d> haaaa, it just appers...
[15:05] <gintonic> rohan: Just now I synced a daily from last week and the bandwidth saving was 100.0%. desktop amd64 was 74% complete from beta2
[15:06] <squiggie> Good morning. I was wondering if someone could help me out with a little samba issue. I've go samba up and running and I can see the shares but when I try to copy files to the shares, it tells me the drive is full and I need to clear spacce. However, the drive isn't full. I've checked with df and it isn't. The drive is a NTFS volume external usb drive. I had this drive working with Jaunty but now when I upgraded to Lucid, I ge
[15:06] <rohan> wow it seems to be going really fast for me here too
[15:07] <gintonic> rohan: Actually it might have been 74% from desktopbeta2+alternativerc. My point is, it's often a lot. But don't be disappointed if it's only 15%
[15:07] <rohan> of course.. well, thanks a lot gintonic !
[15:07] <rohan> i assume i can use the same method to update from RC to final?
[15:07] <rohan> for me, target was 35% complete
[15:08] <thiebaude> 12 minutes left on my download:P
[15:08] <rohan> btw, the ETA is shown in minutes?
[15:08] <gintonic> rohan: Of course. The savings from rc to release are often the best
[15:09] <shadeslayer> hey how do i configure apt to use a proxy?
[15:09] <DASPRiD> hm, is Philip Muškovac here?
[15:09] <patdk-wk> shadeslayer, /etc/apt/apt.conf
[15:09] <patdk-wk> ACQUIRE {
[15:09] <patdk-wk>   http::proxy "http://127.0.0.1:3128/"
[15:09] <patdk-wk> }
[15:10] <shadeslayer> patdk-wk: can you put that in a pastebin?
[15:10] <rohan> gintonic: also, any way to pause and then resume the process?
[15:10] <patdk-wk> I could, but no point now
[15:10] <shadeslayer> patdk-wk: :P
[15:11] <rohan> gintonic: ah ok, the man page answered all my questions :)
[15:11] <gintonic> rohan: zsync creates a .part file. If you restart without the -i it will automatically scan it's own partial file and resume
[15:11] <gintonic> rohan: zsync is really really cool
[15:11] <rohan> damn wish i knew about it.. i already deleted my earlier ISOs :(
[15:11] <callaghan> since many of us are downloading the rc right now, someone could update the topic....
[15:11]  * Nom- builds a new ISO, hoping it will work being the repo is so close to RC
[15:11] <karpus> callaghan: is the rc released?
[15:11] <shadeslayer> callaghan: its not officially released
[15:11] <rohan> callaghan: no, it's not officially out yet
[15:12] <HagenaarsDotNu> callaghen: it's not out yet, the mirroring is still ongoing
[15:12] <callaghan> ah, ok
[15:12] <Nom-> ftp.iinet.net.au is updating the repo and iso right now ^_^
[15:12] <squiggie> anyone have any suggestions for my samba issue or how to troubleshoot?
[15:12] <Nom-> feel free to rape and pillage
[15:13] <HagenaarsDotNu> Nom-: Got some bandwidth to spare ;)
[15:14] <Nom-> HagenaarsDotNu: Only about 2Gbps or so
[15:14] <HagenaarsDotNu> nice
[15:14] <elky> Nom-, I'd kind of prefer if you didn't invite people to "rape".
[15:14] <Nom-> Fair enough
[15:15] <Dimmuxx> iso is booted so time to install :)
[15:15] <Nom-> I was referring to the mirror though
[15:15] <Nom-> ^_^
[15:16] <duffydack> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/rc/
[15:16] <shadeslayer> how do i get evolution to download all my mail onto my HD and NOT delete it from gmail as well?
[15:16] <karpus> I haven't tried any RC's, are they usually semi-stable?
[15:16] <shadeslayer> karpus: they are quite stable :)
[15:17] <karpus> shadeslayer: ok cool, I have a laptop running 9.04 at the moment, so I was thinking of format/install 10.04 RC just for kicks
[15:17] <karpus> hopefully I will notice a lot of improvements ^^
[15:17] <shadeslayer> karpus: oh youll surely get one :P
[15:17] <HagenaarsDotNu> karpus: update-manager -d does the same
[15:17] <HagenaarsDotNu> no need for reformatting
[15:18] <eax> Hi there - I have a problem with my Nvidia FX5600 -  I cannot chose other resolutions than 320x240 and 640x480. What can I do to run the correct resolution? Using the nvidia controlpanel this is..
[15:18] <joaopinto> not quite the same, but close :)
[15:18] <shadeslayer> !res | eax
[15:18] <karpus> HagenaarsDotNu: yes I've read that, but I also read about people getting problems when updating, and I don't mind formatting since I currently does not have that many files on the computer
[15:19] <eax> shadeslayer: Thanks trying
[15:19] <shadeslayer> eax: np
[15:20] <HagenaarsDotNu> karpus: well, the update method worked fine for me, I've got a laptop which started out with 6.x and is now happily purring along in 10.04 style, though crunching is a better description
[15:21]  * thiebaude burning as we speak,lol
[15:22] <karpus> HagenaarsDotNu: that's quite a lot of upgrades hehe, well I'll still format (old windows habit maybe?) and start upgrading 10.04 -> 10.10 and forward
[15:23] <arand> Heh, current RC is same as daily from 19th.
[15:23] <Nom-> arand: Given the file ctime is the 19th, that's not surprising :)
[15:24] <arand> Nom-: Yea, matches down to sha1sum.
[15:25] <thiebaude> arand, i want my money back,lol
[15:25] <Urda> so is the RC live?
[15:25] <thiebaude> :)
[15:25] <arand> Which always brings some irony to all the "is it out yet" shouting..
[15:25] <Nom-> Urda: The ISO is currently being mirrored
[15:25] <thiebaude> yea i cant wait til the 29th imao
[15:25] <arand> Urda: Not oficially released, that will be announced in topic here and on mailing list
[15:26] <Urda> When it does... do I just upgrade from Beta 2? This is the first Beta of Ubuntu I have played with
[15:26] <Urda> :s
[15:26] <inter4ever> just run the updater from ubuntu
[15:26] <Nom-> You can just apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[15:26] <arand> !final
[15:26] <joaopinto> Urda, you are already running RC
[15:27] <gintonic> I can't wait for RC release notes/known issues to see what bugs I've just installed
[15:27] <Nom-> Probably not many :P
[15:27] <Nom-> By this stage the show stoppers have been ironed out
[15:28] <Jeeves_> http://lvsd.lucid.bit.nl/stats/index.php
[15:28] <h00k> Nom-: except for the one they're trying to get covered with X and the mem leaks
[15:28] <thiebaude> bug 552316
[15:28] <joaopinto> Nom-, unfortunately there ate still some show stoppers being ironed out
[15:28] <thiebaude> bbl time to install
[15:28]  * arand can't wait for May 6th...
[15:28] <Nom-> For desktop, maybe... server seems quite fine
[15:28] <Nom-> I've been using it since before beta 2
[15:29] <joaopinto> server is less prone to problems, not that many changes
[15:29] <Nom-> There may be one or two, but I haven't hit them
[15:29] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: why 6?
[15:30] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: Toolchain open ;)
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> right
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> me too
[15:30] <BUGabundo_remote> stable sucks
[15:31] <arand> Indeed.
[15:31] <patdk-wk> only issue I have with server is plymouth and the screen blanking after fsck
[15:31] <h00k> bug 565981 speccifically
[15:32] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, blanking with a flashing cursor that moves when pressing enter ?
[15:32] <patdk-wk> no
[15:32] <patdk-wk> it wipes the whole screen clear
[15:32] <patdk-wk> so I can't see what is going on
[15:32] <eax> shadeslayer: I cannot seem to make it work using xrandr :/
[15:32] <patdk-wk> and displays a login prompt
[15:32] <shadeslayer> eax: whats the issue?
[15:33] <eax> shadeslayer: When I add the 1280x1024 mode it doesn't respond to it when I call "xrandr -s 1280x1024"
[15:33] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, ah, so it's a different issue, I am familiar with some plymount/mountall related issues
[15:33] <shadeslayer> hmm...
[15:33] <thecookie> Is it just me or havent there been any package updates for quite some time?
[15:33] <thecookie> Did the repo move or something?
[15:33] <joaopinto> thecookie, RC freeze
[15:33] <thecookie> Ah
[15:34] <thecookie> Sucky. The sound doesn't work.
[15:34] <aar> Hi. Will it be possible to upgrade from 8.04 LTS to 10.04 LTS?
[15:34] <patdk-wk> ya, plymoth worked fine, I manually removed it, just screen gets wiped still
[15:34] <joaopinto> aar, yes
[15:34] <patdk-wk> and I can't find what is doing it
[15:34] <arand> aar: Yes.
[15:34] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, you should not remove plymouth, that is not support and can get you in troubles later
[15:34] <joaopinto> supported
[15:34] <joaopinto> the boot process depends on plymouth
[15:34] <thecookie> I go through painful days at work without music
[15:34] <aar> joaopinto, cool thanks. Would you recommend an upgrade or a fresh install?
[15:35] <shadeslayer> eax: you might want to ask the guys in #ubuntu-x
[15:35] <tottto-drummond> where can I get the RC
[15:35] <arand> aar: Once released, it should appear as an option in update manager
[15:35] <eax> shadeslayer: Okay thanks :)
[15:35] <Jeeves_> tottto-drummond: releases.ubuntu.com
[15:35] <joaopinto> aar, if you can afford, a fresh install, but the upgrades are also expected to be reliable
[15:35] <aar> arand, great thanks
[15:35] <petur_> How can i upgrade my 9.10 to 10.04 RC, using apt ?
[15:35] <patdk-wk> joaopinto, dunno why I would want a pretty splash on my ubuntu server, find it annoying as crap :(
[15:35] <Nom-> woot... i think the dependency problems i had are fixed... just got a typo in one of our custom packages now
[15:35] <aar> joaopinto, ok thks
[15:35] <patdk-wk> dunno why I would want a video card on my server either but :)
[15:35] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, the splash was removed recently, afaik
[15:36] <thecookie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/alsa-driver/+bug/558910 - I think I've hit that
[15:36] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, but there is still plymouth behind the scene, I think, but text mode
[15:36] <patdk-wk> dunno, I just removed all plymouth files from /etc/init and /etc/init.d, it seems good
[15:37] <arand> petur_: "upgrade-manager -d" backup first, expect problems.
[15:37] <mininessie> hey has the rc come out yet
[15:37] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, that will break the boot if you get a mount issue like a filesystem needing checking
[15:37] <patdk-wk> mininessie, kindof :)
[15:37] <mininessie> patdk-wk: what do you kind of
[15:37] <petur_> okay
[15:37] <mininessie> patdk-wk: what do you mean kind of
[15:37] <patdk-wk> joaopinto, well, that is super annoying, for fsck to depend on anything like that
[15:38] <joaopinto> patdk-wk, is not fsck which depends that, it's mountall which mounts all the FSs on startup
[15:38] <shadeslayer> btw how do i use ubuntu one with nautilus?
[15:38] <joaopinto> and which will cal fsck if needed :)
[15:38] <shadeslayer> where do i put in my credentials? :P
[15:38] <arand> mininessie: not oficially no.
[15:39] <IdleOne> petur_: btw I run +1 all the time and every time I need to search for the command lol
[15:39] <alvin> and plymouth that shows the (many) errors of mountall
[15:39] <mininessie> arand: but it is released through daily builds right?
[15:39] <shadeslayer> bah...nvm
[15:40] <eax> Gahh, 10.04 refuses to boot on me now, I get a message about cryptoswap, I press S for skip and it just stays ath te loading screen
[15:40] <arand> mininessie: the daily iso that was made on the 19th is rather likely what is going to be the RC, but I don't know if it's past the point where they could decide that it needs more time...
[15:40] <Dimmuxx> time to switch back to my desktop and it's 64bit goodness
[15:41] <joaopinto> eax, file a bug report
[15:41] <eax> joaopinto: I didn't ruin something somehow? :P
[15:41] <mininessie> well if i upgraded to 10.04 yesterday would it be the daily build of 19th
[15:41] <joaopinto> eax, it is likely that you have an entry on /etc/fstab which is causing some mount issue
[15:41] <joaopinto> eax, maybe encrypted swap ?
[15:42] <eax> joaopinto: Can I fix this? - I don't know if I encrypted it /
[15:42] <mininessie> well if i upgraded to 10.04 yesterday would it be the daily build of 19th
[15:42] <arand> mininessie: likely yes.
[15:42] <gdzsi> rc is released today only
[15:42] <mininessie> arand: okay
[15:42] <thecookie> Do I need to repoint to a new repo for rc?
[15:42] <joaopinto> eaxt, bott with the following option, "init=/sbin/sulogin"
[15:42] <mininessie> gdzsi: really
[15:43] <joaopinto> eax, that needs to be appended to the linux line on the boot options
[15:43] <joaopinto> eax, do you know how to use a text editor like nano or vi ?
[15:43] <arand> thecookie: No all the same repo.
[15:43] <BBobo> HOWTO change to Ubuntu Lucid WITHOUT reinstalling from a Lucid ISO and tweaking everything from scratch all over again.  I am using Linux Mint 8 Helena at the moment on a very new PC -- no sound, VESA only graphics. The reason I need to change to Lucid is to get newer kernel + device drivers.  I've done lots of tweaking etc and I don't have time to start from a fresh install from a Lucid ISO...  Any suggestions pls?
[15:43] <gdzsi> @BBobo: use update-manager -d
[15:43] <joaopinto> BBobo, upgrading from non Ubuntu is not supported
[15:43] <gartral> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k-UChw0VA_A&feature=youtube_gdata well.. so far i have failing gdm. >.>
[15:43] <eax> joaopinto: Yeah thanks I do :) I just don't know how to get it into the grub menu line.. And now it just succesfully booted
[15:43] <eax> This is confusing :P
[15:44] <BUGabundo_remote> BBobo: export your package list, save your etc and home?
[15:44] <BUGabundo_remote> or simply try to "upgrade"
[15:44] <joaopinto> eax, gor the grub menu, you need to keep pressing SHIFT after booting
[15:44] <BUGabundo_remote> but make a backup
[15:44] <gdzsi> mint is quite ubuntu though
[15:44] <petur_> IdleOne: The -d is dangerous, like your Dick wanting to explore new DD-tits, sometimes it can cause Damage because you'll catch a stD. now don't forget the -d again :D
[15:44] <eax> joaopinto: Ahh thanks!
[15:44] <joaopinto> gdzsi, not enough to be "Ubuntu", and to be tested with an official upgrade
[15:44] <BBobo> Yeah, I know, but I will go as far as unsupported hacks that workaround to move from Mint to Ubuntu.
[15:44] <IdleOne> petur_: language please
[15:44] <petur_> IdleOne: :)
[15:44] <IdleOne> petur_: we keep Ubuntu channels family friendly
[15:45] <callaghan> petur_: lol
[15:45] <petur_> IdleOne: heh okay ^^
[15:45] <IdleOne> petur_: thank you
[15:45] <gartral> what. puter has good family advice; )
[15:45] <thecookie> Is there anything I could do to get sound working other than waiting for a patch?
[15:46] <joaopinto> eax, please pastebin your /etc/fstab
[15:46] <mininessie> thecookie: hope and pray
[15:46] <thecookie> nice
[15:46] <eax> joaopinto: Right, one moment :)
[15:46] <arand> thecookie: search ubuntuforums and launchpad, if it isn't reported, report a bug.
[15:47] <squiggie> I've got a ntfs volume mounted and shared via samba. When I connect to it from a windows laptop, it won't let me write anything to it. It tells me the disk is full. However the disk isn't full because I can mv items to it. I've tried to tail -f the samba logs and /var/log/syslog but nothing shows up at the time of the error. Any suggestions?
[15:47] <thecookie> It's reported 3 times but doesn't seem to be worked on.
[15:47] <gintonic> Anyone found and solved the ati driver underscan issue on lucid yet?
[15:47] <thecookie> 3 different reporters
[15:47] <BBobo> BUGabundo_remote: thanks, being new to Mint and even to Ubuntu, how do I export the Package List (or Lists)?
[15:48] <eax> joaopinto: http://eax.dk/fstab
[15:49] <joaopinto> eax, ah, LVM, there is a bug report about mountall with LVM
[15:50] <joaopinto> eax, please check "swapon -s" you probably are running without swap right now
[15:50] <eax> joaopinto: You mean during install? What shoild I add/remove?
[15:50] <joaopinto> eax, did you upgrade or a clean install ?
[15:50] <eax> joaopinto: I'm using /dev/mapper/cryptswap1
[15:50] <eax> Upgrade
[15:50] <joaopinto> swapon -s lists /dev/mapper/cryptswap1 ?
[15:51] <eax> Yeah
[15:51] <joaopinto> hum, now you booted without the error right ?
[15:51] <eax> joaopinto: Yeah :)
[15:51] <joaopinto> ok, so it's a random issue :\
[15:52] <joaopinto> which is related to /dev/mapper/cryptswap1
[15:52] <eax> joaopinto: yeah :/
[15:52] <eax> Thanks anyway :)
[15:52] <espen77> BBobo: "sudo dpkg --get-selections | awk '{print $1}' > installedpackages" will make a list of installed packages...i think
[15:52] <BBobo> Again, being new to Ubuntu and to Mint, how do I export the Package List (or Lists) pls? I can see History in Synaptic, but it's pretty useless because Synaptic has no Save History option, and the history is divided day-by-day into separate folders, so there is no easy way to cut-n-paste the history.
[15:53] <duffydack> well its up http://releases.ubuntu.com/10.04/
[15:53] <BBobo> espen77: thanks!
[15:54] <rohan> BBobo: dpkg -l > list.txt is an option, but i think there is a better way
[15:54] <duffydack> hmm, i just did a zsync using the 19.1 daily.. fetched nothing, md5sums match..... job done..
[15:54] <Nom-> dpkg --get-selections works... you can pipe the output into dpkg --set-selections later
[15:54] <joaopinto> eax, let me know if you get the error again, I may have a fix
[15:55] <eax> joaopinto: I will. THanks a lot :)
[15:55] <BBobo> It seems incredible that moving from an Ubuntu-based distro such as Mint to Ubuntu Lucid is not supported, given that 98% of the installed files are identical to ubuntu karmic.   It should be a piece of cake to automate the detection of the differences and support auto migration...
[15:55] <rohan> BBobo: yeah Nom- beat me to it.. just to dpkg --get-selections > list.txt ; and then when you want it back, dpkg --set-selections < list.txt
[15:55] <mininessie> duffydack: thanks for the find greatly appriciated
[15:55] <BBobo> rohan, Nom- : thanks for the tips.
[15:55] <rohan> BBobo: mint is not a supported or official derivative of ubuntu - why should ubuntu provide support for migrating from/to it? :)
[15:57] <joaopinto> eax, can you test a few reboots to see if you can reproduce the error ?
[15:57] <squiggie> I've got a ntfs volume mounted and shared via samba. When I connect to it from a windows laptop, it won't let me write anything to it. It tells me the disk is full. However the disk isn't full because I can mv items to it. I've tried to tail -f the samba logs and /var/log/syslog but nothing shows up at the time of the error. Any suggestions?
[15:57] <eax> joaopinto: Sure :)
[15:58] <duffydack> seems the last daily is actually the same as rc...
[15:58] <squiggie> mount
[15:58] <gdzsi> BBobo: you could install the kernel package though, if you need that
[15:58] <Nom-> duffydack: That's been pointed out a few times ;)
[15:58] <arand> duffydack: Yep, although the RC isn't official proper yet.
[15:59] <BBobo> What I mean is that it would not be hard to create a utility to measure the characteristics of any ubuntu-based distro automatically and measure the differences wrt to, e.g. karmic, so that ubuntu does not have any extra work (i.e. manual tasks) in providing a migration from an unsupported ubuntu-based distro to ubuntu,
[15:59] <joaopinto> BBobo, it is much easier to just do a clean install with an official distro :)
[16:00] <eax> joaopinto: Hmm I see the error and then a second after it boots on
[16:00] <joaopinto> upgrading from 3rd parties would be complex
[16:00] <nemo> Since I switched to ubuntu 9.10 I've been getting a lot of resolution issues.
[16:00] <mininessie> what is lubuntu
[16:00] <nemo> like wget failing lookups on names
[16:00] <nemo> however, dig works fine on both entries in resolv.conf
[16:00] <Nom-> woot my automated install iso works using RC :D
[16:00] <IdleOne> mininessie: it's ubuntu with LXDE
[16:00] <BBobo> gdzsi: Good idea, but the way things are looking on this very new pc, it's a lot worse than just the kernel 2.6.31 being too stale, eg iwlwifi, nvidia blackscreen hard crash even with latest 36.8.15 x64 driver, and no sound for Intel 3400 chipset
[16:00] <nemo> I'm wondering if this is related to integration w/ WINS or something, and where I might look
[16:00] <Nom-> Happy happy, joy, joy
[16:01] <mininessie> nemo: ?
[16:01] <arand> BBobo: Problem is that ubuntu devs have no incentive, mint devs have no incentive... Means you'll have to make it yourself, you said it was easy, right ;)
[16:01] <nemo> mininessie: for example   dig @10.10.10.10 foo.bar.baz   where 10.10.10.10 is local ns from resolv.conf and foo.bar.baz is local machine, resolves instantly
[16:01] <mininessie> IdleOne: what is lxde
[16:02] <nemo> mininessie: but wget http://foo.bar.baz   fails w/ failed: Name or service not known.
[16:02] <nemo> wget: unable to resolve host address
[16:02] <nemo> mininessie: only since update to ubuntu 9.10 though
[16:02] <IdleOne> mininessie: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Lubuntu explains
[16:02] <BBobo> joaopinto: Yeah, I know it's easier to do a fresh install - I am a Linux oldtimer - but I've spent too much time configuring and tweaking this installation to do a fresh install. I cannot waste that much time all over again tweaking everything from scratch. That's why I want to "cheat" and find a way of doing the minimal
[16:02] <gdzsi> BBobo: hack a kernel for yourself :D
[16:02] <mininessie> nemo: so you have the rc downloaded already
[16:02] <BBobo> set of changes that move from this ubuntu-karmic-based distro (Mint) to Lucid
[16:02] <nemo> mininessie: uh. I switched over weeks ago.
[16:02] <nemo> I believe I'm up to date too.
[16:02]  * nemo checks
[16:03] <nemo> this is a long standing problem
[16:03] <BBobo> gdzsi: yeah, but it is way more than just the kernel is stale, as I said above.
[16:03] <nemo> since I remember reading something about ADS, was wondering if it is related to local windows domain
[16:03] <nemo> and attempting wrong source for resolution
[16:03] <nemo> mininessie: and yeah, I'm up to date. no changes.
[16:03] <mininessie> nemo: how
[16:04] <nemo> mininessie: how what?
[16:04] <mininessie> nemo: how did you switch to rc it came out today
[16:04] <IanLiu> My Ubuntu won`t turn on, so I booted with live CD and I`m now trying to mount the root partition. But it fails with this error http://imagepaste.nullnetwork.net/viewimage.php?id=839
[16:05] <nemo> mininessie: erm. I don't get what you mean. the rc candidate is based on the lucid repos. the lucid repos are frozen for now.
[16:05] <nemo> mininessie: so my machine should have same env as the CD
[16:05] <nemo> anyway. kind of irrelevant
[16:05] <IanLiu> I`m guessing I can`t do anything but reinstall the system... is that correct
[16:05] <nemo> point is this has happened since switch to 9.10
[16:05]  * nemo compares against his karmic machine for stuff like nsswitch.conf
[16:06] <nemo> hm. no changes
[16:06] <joaopinto> eax, can you please test upgrading to the package from "http://ppa.launchpad.net/scott/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mountall/" and see if it resolves the error permanently ?
[16:06] <mininessie> personal opinion wubi sucks
[16:07] <eax> joaopinto: Sure :)
[16:07] <arand> IanLiu: make sure youre trying to mount the right partititon.
[16:07] <nemo> oh. wait
[16:07] <nemo> lol. I missed it
[16:07] <nemo> my karmic machine *is* using wins in nsswitch.conf
[16:07] <nemo> now that's odd...
[16:07] <eax> joaopinto: Which one of the files? :)
[16:08] <IanLiu> arand: I`ve mounted all partitions. And I can navigate trough my /home partition and Windows one. But the / partition gives me this error
[16:08] <nemo> hm. adding that back in didn't help
[16:08] <mininessie> when is gnome 3 comming out will it be out for 10.10
[16:08] <nemo> still getting resolution fails
[16:08] <arand> IanLiu: If there is important data on there, take a backup and try to use data recovery tools. Once done try using fsck and see if that could help.
[16:09] <nemo> anyway, given dig works, failure presumably isn't in needing wins...
[16:09] <arand> mininessie: Likely not, since it's far from ready yet, but we'll likely know by UDS.
[16:09] <IanLiu> arand: Ok. Any advices on how to use fsck would be good, although I will search the web ;)
[16:09] <mininessie> uds??
[16:09] <Pici> !uds
[16:10] <arand> IanLiu: fsck -p /dev/sdX#
[16:10] <IanLiu> arand: thanks
[16:10] <joaopinto> eax, are you using 32 or 64 bits ?
[16:10] <nemo> http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?p=1313434 "Now the reason why you get different answers from ping/wget and from dig/nslookup is because the first use the function gethostbyname(3) while the latter don't."
[16:10] <eax> joaopinto: 32 :)
[16:11] <nemo> maybe that's my prob...
[16:11] <joaopinto> eax, http://ppa.launchpad.net/scott/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mountall/mountall_2.14~ppa1_i386.deb
[16:11] <mininessie> 32 bit or 64 bit ubuntu
[16:11] <eax> joaopinto: Okay trying :)
[16:11] <mininessie> 32 bit or 64 bit ubuntu who runs what version
[16:11] <mininessie> i run 32bit
[16:11] <arand> IanLiu: if that fails, look up "man fsck" and look for the "force", "yes", and "use other superblock" options, mind that this may mess the filesystem even more if unlucky.
[16:12] <h00k> mininessie: do you have a specific question about it?
[16:12] <callaghan> mininessie: i run 64 bit, why do you ask?
[16:12] <IanLiu> arand: I see. Well, I have no data to backup, so I`m free to experiment
[16:12] <mininessie> callaghan: is there really any difference
[16:13] <h00k> mininessie: yes
[16:13] <nemo> maybe something changed in samba and it is doing a wins lookup...
[16:13] <arand> IanLiu: "fsck -fy /dev/sdX#" is a common, pull-the-trigger kind of possible recovery.
[16:13] <mininessie> h00k: like?
[16:13] <eax> joaopinto: Didn't fix it :/
[16:14] <h00k> mininessie: like, they're different architectures
[16:14] <red> Why isn't nautilus "remembering" my sftp logins to one particular site, but does so to all others? Could it be something with the configuration of the particular site?
[16:14] <Maroven> hi all
[16:14] <h00k> mininessie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#32_vs_64_bit
[16:14] <red> It remembers them correctly until reboot.
[16:14] <Maroven> is anyone running 10.04 beta 2?
[16:14] <callaghan> mininessie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/64-bit#Pros_and_cons
[16:15] <chrislovvet> can anyone here tell me how to install the drivers and catalyst control center for an ati x1600 pro graphics card onto ubuntu 9.10?
[16:15] <nemo> bouncing winbind didn't help :-/
[16:15] <arand> Maroven: Likely yes.
[16:15] <joaopinto> eax, ok, how did you setup that cryptswap ?
[16:15] <Pici> chrislovvet: This channel is only for Lucid/10.04 support, please ask in #ubuntu for earlier releases.
[16:16] <eax> joaopinto: No idea :/
[16:17] <joaopinto> eax, ok, thanks for trying it anyway :)
[16:17] <eax> joaopinto: No, thank you ;)
[16:17] <Maroven> has anyone had the 10.04 Beta do a total system lockup?
[16:17] <nemo> getaddrinfo appears to be failing according to ltrace
[16:17] <Maroven> beta 2
[16:18] <bushbaby> I have being trying to set up wireless drivers for my BCM4311 card in Lucid Without much luck, I've tried installing manually from cd but the b43-fwcutter package wants to connect to the internet to get drivers to extract from so i cannot proceed.. Can anyone help?
[16:18] <yofel> Maroven: we had reports about that, is this the iso or the installed system?
[16:19] <h00k> yofel: I decided I can confirm the problem still exists on nouveau, but not intel for myself :) the...glx 1.2 dealio.
[16:20] <yofel> heh, well, It worked fine for a while so I guess 1.2 works for me. Now I turned compositing of again, is just faster
[16:20] <nemo> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1370051&page=2 - similar to this I guess
[16:20] <nemo> EAI_NONAME for getaddrinfo
[16:20] <h00k> yofel: compositing with metacity (can't do compiz stuffs) is screaming fast on nouveau
[16:21] <nemo> hm. that's for localhost. n/m
[16:21] <BBobo> arand: BBobo: Problem is that ubuntu devs have no incentive, mint devs have no incentive... Means you'll have to make it yourself...   I agree, but this has the effect of encouraging the further balkanization of distros into increasingly incompatible cliques.  That's bad. We should aim to reduce it in any ways we can, e.g. make tools to automate the interchanges between distros.
[16:22]  * nemo screws around w/ nsswitch.conf some more
[16:22] <gdzsi> or not making spin-offs
[16:23] <AngryPunk> Do USB wacom-type tablets work out of the box in lucid?
[16:23] <IanLiu> arand: Hey, it did fix the problem. Thanks a lot :)
[16:23] <nemo> ok. replacing:
[16:23] <nemo> hosts:          files mdns4_minimal [NOTFOUND=return] dns mdns4
[16:23] <nemo> with
[16:23] <nemo> hosts:          files mdns4_minimal dns mdns4
[16:23] <arand> BBobo: Maybe so, but like many things in Opensource, if you want it done, do it yourself ;)
[16:23] <nemo> seems to solve, although things are a lot slower
[16:23] <nemo> so issue in mdns4_minimal ?
[16:24] <nemo> maybe https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/avahi/+bug/94940
[16:24] <arand> IanLiu: Great! By the way, have you had any hard poweroffs that might have caused this?
[16:25] <nemo> yep. that seemed to have solved it
[16:25] <nemo> mininessie: ok. FWIW, I'm going w/ that one.
[16:25] <IanLiu> arand: I don't know if I'm talking bulshit, but my guess is a Windows 7 update caused this problem
[16:26] <h00k> IanLiu: please keep the language family-friendly
[16:26] <IanLiu> h00k: sorry ^^
[16:26] <Gnimsh> hui
[16:26] <Gnimsh> hi
[16:26] <alvin> Yes, no mentioning of Windows here ;-)
[16:26] <BBobo> arand: BBobo: Maybe so, but like many things in Opensource, if you want it done, do it yourself.  True, but better to get consensus first that what u r trying to do is acceptable, otherwise u end up like any number of kernel guys etc etc wasting huge dev time on something that never gets adopted.
[16:26] <IanLiu> alvin: hahahahaha
[16:26] <nemo> still slow though...
[16:26] <Gnimsh> so I just wanted to check...I'm running 10.04, and if my system is up to date it basically means I am now running the RC right?
[16:27] <nemo> (when not in arp cache)
[16:27] <alvin> Gnimsh: correct
[16:27] <h00k> BBobo: the conversation might better be suited for #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:27] <Gnimsh> So then if I have lots of problems now, I would most likely still experience them if I were to do a new install of the RC?
[16:28] <BBobo> h00k: well if u follow the whole thread, I was and still am talking about moving to Lucid!
[16:28] <alvin> Most probably, yes
[16:28] <Gnimsh> k
[16:28] <h00k> BBobo: okay dokey
[16:28] <Gnimsh> At least for myself and my brother, the beta worked fine until RC2, and then things started breaking
[16:28] <Gnimsh> not sure what's up with that
[16:28] <BBobo> kinda hard in irc to follow a whole thread, I know...
[16:29] <alvin> There 'should' be little difference between upgrades and fresh installs. Upgrades can have more software, but that in itself shouldn't be a problem. The exceptions are bugs in the upgrade process (like bug 563117)
[16:29] <nemo> mininessie: and I guess your confusion was I said 9.10 when I meant 10.04 - I should have just said lucid
[16:30] <Reckon> Hello
[16:30] <Nom-> Someone had a go at me the other day for calling it Lucid instead of 10.04 :P
[16:30] <arand> BBobo: True, then I guess the mint forums/blueprint on launchpad/ubuntu mailing list, might be the place to start... I'm only guessing though.
[16:30] <allu2> is it possible to downgrade lucid?
[16:30] <Nom-> As it it really matters .. potato/potato
[16:30] <nemo> allu2: could install karmic over it...
[16:31] <BUGabundo_remote> allu2: no. only fresh install
[16:31] <BBobo> arand: kinda ungracious if I asked on mint's places how to i get off mint onto lucid :-)
[16:31] <nemo> well. going to try disabling ipv6 and seeing if that does the trick I guess...
[16:31] <allu2> :(
[16:32] <allu2> i had crypted home and now it can't be decrypted and lucid doesn't boot :(
[16:32] <allu2> using live cd :(
[16:32] <allu2> so fresh install it seems
[16:32] <allu2> huoh
[16:32] <Reckon> Need help: when trying to boot I get this error msg: "mountall: mount /home [440] terminated with status 32" "mountall: Filesustem could not be mounted: /home" Any help?
[16:32] <arand> BBobo: Well, I assume it would equally apply to a ubuntu → Mint migration, which might make them happy.
[16:33] <BBobo> arand: not sure bout that fairness equation as sizeof(ubuntu) >> sizeof(mint)
[16:33] <nanoguy> hi
[16:34] <BluesKaj> interesting, there's no updates on lucid so far ,today
[16:34] <nanoguy> how do i upgrade from ubuntu 10.04 beta to RC?
[16:34] <arand> BluesKaj: It's all frozen stale atm.
[16:34] <arand> !final | nanoguy
[16:34] <BUGabundo_remote> BluesKaj: no updates for 4 days
[16:34] <nanoguy> thanks
[16:35] <BluesKaj> 10.04 beta is it nanoguy
[16:35] <BluesKaj> i had a couple yesterday, BUGabundo_remote
[16:35] <BUGabundo_remote> probably some universe stuff or ppa
[16:36] <nanoguy> yes its the 10.04 beta
[16:36]  * arand is not sure that advising dist-upgrade in a common factoid is the right thing...
[16:36] <BluesKaj> but that was a medibuntu mirror that Dr willis provided
[16:36] <arand> Ah, it's official!
[16:36] <nanoguy> ok thanks bye
[16:38] <rohan> yep, it's out officially!
[16:40] <lucitu_> it's official..updates now can come out..
[16:40] <litropy> I'm upgrading to the daily build using aptitude update && aptitude safe-upgrade. update says Current status: 461 new [+5], yet safe-upgrade says No packages will be installed, upgraded, or removed. yet I used to successfully upgrade every day using this method.
[16:40] <perlsyntax> When is the next ubuntu 10.04 come out
[16:40] <perlsyntax> is that today
[16:40] <mbeierl> if it's official, I'll ask here and in #ubuntu... anyone has any experiences they can share on the upgrade with Likewise installed?
[16:40] <joaopinto> !lucid | perlsyntax
[16:40] <lucitu_> so the rc iso is a snapshot from 4/19
[16:40] <joaopinto> check the schedule
[16:41] <h00k> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2010-April/000132.html
[16:41] <h00k> ta-da
[16:41] <Pici> litropy: You should be using full-upgrade, not safe-upgrade to properly upgrade your packages.
[16:41] <arand> lucitu_: Indeed it is
[16:41] <BUGabundo_remote> and I got the email :D
[16:41] <perlsyntax> i talking about the ubuntu 10.04 Candidate
[16:41] <researcher1> when can I expect a stable release?
[16:41] <ccmonster> hey, now that the RC is out, if i am on beta 2, should I just be able to do a sudo apt-get update to get the most recent build?
[16:41] <joaopinto> the RC is out
[16:41] <joaopinto> !final | ccmonster
[16:42] <Pici> researcher1: the 29th
[16:42] <ccmonster> tx
[16:42] <litropy> Pici: full-upgrade results the same.
[16:42] <Pici> litropy: Can you pastebin that output?
[16:43] <perlsyntax> joaopintois there a ubuntu 10.04 Candidate out outtoday if i am right?
[16:43] <Pici> perlsyntax: Its out now.
[16:43] <arand> litropy: Well, it may be that there just isn't any upgrades...
[16:44] <arand> perlsyntax: announced 5min ago
[16:44] <perlsyntax> where can i get it
[16:44] <Pici> perlsyntax: /topic
[16:44] <iWolf> I'm not able to click with my trackpad (EEE 900 Celeron, UNR 10.04)
[16:44] <ccmonster> hmm..
[16:44] <arand> perlsyntax: ubuntu.com
[16:44] <perlsyntax> ?
[16:44] <litropy> Pici, arand, update says Current status: 461 new [+5].
[16:44] <ccmonster> Linux version 2.6.32-21-generic (buildd@rothera) (gcc version 4.4.3 (Ubuntu 4.4.3-4ubuntu5) ) #32-Ubuntu SMP Fri Apr 16 08:10:02 UTC 2010
[16:44] <ccmonster> that's what I get when I do a cat /proc/version
[16:44] <perlsyntax> thanks
[16:45] <Pici> ccmonster: What were you expecting?
[16:45] <Oli```> Does Lucid still lock up if you try booting with a nvidia card with two monitors plugged in?
[16:45] <ccmonster> The date to not be Apr 16th
[16:45] <Pici> ccmonster: Thats when the kernel was built.
[16:46] <ccmonster> k
[16:46] <arand> Oli```: Hmm, Bug #533135 appears to be fixed
[16:47] <litropy> Pici, arand: http://pastebin.com/JwiUcn9B this has happened for about a week. I used to upgrade fin in this way.
[16:47] <Oli```> cheers arand
[16:47] <researcher1> my internet has become suddenly too slow on 10.04
[16:49] <litropy> fine*
[16:49] <BUGabundo_remote> researcher1: ipv6?
[16:50] <mbeierl> researcher1: your first dns server has gone offline?
[16:50] <lucitu_> researcher1: bec a million people are clogging to get the ubuntu RC...:)
[16:50] <researcher1> BUGabundo_remote: what to do with ipv6?
[16:50] <BUGabundo_remote> researcher1: known bug about ipv6 and some routers
[16:50] <rohan> is the shipit store open yet?
[16:51] <Flynsarmy> Is Nouveau worth keeping as the default driver for nvidia cards or once installed should i immediately be switching to the proprietry one?
[16:51] <arand> rohan: I thought shipit was being phased out...
[16:51] <BUGabundo_remote> rohan: it wasn't early this week
[16:51] <Pici> litropy: We haven't had new updates for about a week, we've been in final freeze.
[16:51] <lucitu_> Flynsarmy: proprietry
[16:51] <BUGabundo_remote> Arand for what?
[16:52] <h00k> Flynsarmy: it depends on what you're doing. Nouveau is working excellent for myself
[16:53] <litropy> Pici, thank you.
[16:53] <perlsyntax_> Where can i get the dvd iso for ubuntu 10.04?
[16:53] <Flynsarmy> h00k, are there any disadvantages to using the propetry one which seems to have more features?
[16:53] <perlsyntax_> i mean rc
[16:53] <arand> BUGabundo_remote: Might be wrong, but wasn't shipit announced to be going away for non-loco stuff, at some point?
[16:54] <lucitu_> perlsyntax_: cdimages.ubuntu.com..not sure though of dvd
[16:54] <h00k> Flynsarmy: yeah, you wait for nvidia to provide fixes if anything goes wrong. It worked decent for me.  Plymouth looks ugly with it. Metacity rendering and nouveau works well, it's quite fast.
[16:54] <BUGabundo_remote> perlsyntax: releases.ubuntu.com and cdimage.ubuntu.com/dvd
[16:54] <BUGabundo_remote> arand: beats me
[16:55] <h00k> Flynsarmy: but you have the freedom to chose!
[16:55] <h00k> *choose!
[16:55] <perlsyntax_> will update-manager -d work?
[16:56] <perlsyntax_> it say beta still
[16:56] <Pici> perlsyntax_: What version of Ubuntu are you running now?
[16:57] <perlsyntax_> 9.10
[16:57] <BUGabundo_remote> perlsyntax no
[16:57] <BUGabundo_remote> oh wait
[16:57] <BUGabundo_remote> yes
[16:57] <iWolf> I'm not able to click with my trackpad (EEE 900 Celeron, UNR 10.04)
[16:57] <BBobo> what is the first file a dist-upgrade from karmic 9.10 to lucid lynx beta 2 would change?
[16:57] <Pici> BBobo: /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:57] <lucitu_> BBobo: sources.list
[16:57] <charlie-tca> perlsyntax: 'update-manager -d' will upgrade your 9.10 to Lucid rc.
[16:58] <BBobo> lucitu, Pici: not quite what i meant. i meant what is the first change made by the dist-upgrade process
[16:59] <Pici> BBobo: You should be using update-manager -d or do-release-upgrade -d to upgrade to Lucid.  Those will first touch your sources.list to prepare it for the actuall apt stuff.
[17:00] <Pici> BBobo: Does that help? If not, why do you need to know?
[17:00] <BBobo> Pici: thanks, but i was interested to know what is the first file to be changed.
[17:01] <BBobo> Pici: dunno if u were around much earlier in the thread
[17:01] <BBobo> but i was migrating a pc from Mint to Lucid without using an ISO
[17:01] <Pici> BBobo: if this is about mint, you're on your own.
[17:01] <lucitu_> BBobo: change the /karnic/lucid/ in sources.list and then apt-get update && apt-get dist-upgrade
[17:01] <Pici> BBobo: Crossgrading is not supported.
[17:01] <iconmefisto> Pici: is there any downside to using do-release-upgrade -d ? surely that's safer, less likely to fail than the gui upgrade
[17:02] <rohan> btw, anyone who has already downloaded the ubuntu amd64 desktop iso, could you please check and tell me whether it includes the usb-creator.exe ?
[17:02] <BBobo> Pici: yeah, i knew that. but any idea what is the first file to be changed on karmic to lucid?
[17:02] <Pici> iconmefisto: They do the same thing, I personally like using the cli where I can.
[17:02] <BUGabundo_remote> lucitu_: BBobo: I would go with aptitude instead of aptget
[17:02] <BBobo> Or is there a dry-run option to see the list of changes that WOULD be applied without actually doing them?
[17:03] <Pici> BBobo: You'd have to look at the source for do-release-upgrade or update-manager, I don't know.
[17:03] <perlsyntax_> Does anyone is update-manager -d would work
[17:03] <Pici> BBobo: do-release-upgrade has a maethod, check --help
[17:03] <crow> is this now last rc before final?
[17:03] <Pici> crow: yes.
[17:03] <Pici> perlsyntax_: Can you rephrase that?
[17:03] <crow> Pici so it can be sayed final one.. talking about installer?
[17:04]  * BUGabundo_remote hands Pici a power bar
[17:04] <Pici> crow: I'm not sure what you mean
[17:04] <BUGabundo_remote> crow: not if a critical bug comes on
[17:04] <BBobo> Pici: u mean -d in do-release-upgrade?
[17:04] <crow> Pici i am thinking to do a clean install and update to final :), or maybe ill just wait for final rls
[17:04] <BBobo> looks like a check, not a list of files or a dry-run, but anyway... thanks for the idea.
[17:04] <Pici> BBobo: look at -s
[17:05] <BBobo> Pici: ah, thanks. will do.
[17:06] <BBobo> I think crossgrading should be cool.
[17:08] <perlsyntax_> what perl does it have
[17:08] <BBobo> does anybody actually know what is the first file to be changed on dist-upgrade from karmic to lucid?
[17:08] <joaopinto> BBobo, again the same question ?
[17:08] <BBobo> is it definitely /etc/apt/sources.list??
[17:08] <scott_ino2> it would be nice if there was a way to not have my network manager icon grouped with my notification applet
[17:09] <joaopinto> BBobo, whatever you are doing is likely to break your system, we can't help you doing that
[17:09] <BBobo> don't need help, just the info on what is the first file to be changed?
[17:09] <joaopinto> upgrading from a non Ubuntu to an Ubuntu is not supported, if you want to do it you are on your own
[17:09] <joaopinto> BBobo, no one of us know, because thats done automatically is not a manual process
[17:10] <perlsyntax_> how to i upgrade from ubuntu 9.10 to 10.04?
[17:10] <BBobo> Joaopinto: thanks, u said that 1 hour ago! i know. i am not looking for support on doing it. i am looking for a question answer relating to lucid migration..
[17:10] <joaopinto> BBobo, you already got the answer, the upgrade is performed using update-manager or do-release-upgrade, not editing files
[17:11] <BUGabundo_remote> !upgrade | perlsyntax
[17:11] <charlie-tca> perlsyntax: update-manager -d
[17:11] <Pici> perlsyntax_: You've already received an answer for that question, is there something that you still aren't sure about?
[17:11] <BBobo> ok, thanks, but that really didn't answer my question.  it seems no devels of update-manager etc are around to answer
[17:12] <perlsyntax_> ok sorry
[17:12] <joaopinto> BBobo, update-manager devs are busy with problems and improvements on supported procedures, are busy with those which respect the rules they have defined :)
[17:12] <BBobo> joaopinto: pls quit assuming i am trying to ask for support on doing something unsupported!!!"
[17:13] <joaopinto> the problem is that you are doing something that besides being unsupported might break your system, and we don't usually support on that
[17:14] <BBobo> joaopinto: i think you don't understand my question. perhaps english is not your first language.
[17:14] <joaopinto> BBobo, it is not, eventually is not your eithers, since you have the same problem :)
[17:14] <BBobo> If you read my question carefully, I am not asking for support on doing something unsupported
[17:15] <DASPRiD> does anyone know if https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/debian-installer/+bug/542210 will be fixed anytime soon? not being able to install with raid1 is bad
[17:15] <joaopinto> BBobo, well, let's skip this, no one year knows the answer to your question :)
[17:15] <joaopinto> grr, here
[17:15] <iconmefisto> BBobo: what is your question?
[17:15] <BBobo> Yeah, sure, let's leave it. thanks anyway all
[17:15] <nemo> damn. disabling ipv6 did not fully do it.
[17:15] <nemo> well, actually made no difference.
[17:15] <BBobo> iconmefisto: too complex to explain here....
[17:15] <iconmefisto> BBobo: ok
[17:15] <nemo> changing nsswitch.conf did eliminate the failed lookups
[17:16] <BBobo> read the whole thread from 1 hour ago if you are really interested...
[17:16] <joaopinto> iconmefisto, he wants to upgrade from Linux Mint to Ubuntu Lucid
[17:16] <BBobo> joaopinto: that was not my question.
[17:16] <lucitu_> BBobo: so what is it?
[17:17] <BBobo> I asked what is the first file to be changed on dist-upgrade from karmic to lucid. Is it /etc/apt/sources.list or whatever?
[17:17] <lucitu_> BBobo: don't you understand english?
[17:18] <BBobo> Do you?
[17:18] <lucitu_> BBobo: you asked and we answered
[17:18] <BBobo> Ok, sorry if I missed it, but I didn't see an answer.
[17:18] <lucitu_> BBobo: read the whole thread
[17:18] <joaopinto> BBobo, if you know python, please check it, gedit /usr/bin/do-release-upgrade
[17:18] <nemo> oh. maybe if I actually remove libnss-mdns
[17:19]  * nemo tries that too
[17:19] <BBobo> lucitu: u said sources.list.  right?
[17:20] <Timo_> Hey guys, when I type alsamixer, itsays there are no controls for this device, and it is for the nvidia device (which is my vid card), is there a way to disable my vid cards sound?
[17:20] <BBobo> joaopinto: thanks, i will read
[17:21] <lucitu_> BBobo: r u asking to confirm if what you read/understood is right?
[17:22] <nemo> wooot
[17:22] <nemo> that did the trick
[17:22] <BBobo> lucitu: sorry, yes, doublechecking
[17:23] <nemo> hm... or not :(
[17:24] <iconmefisto> Timo_: figure out what module it's using, then blacklist it
[17:25] <nemo> eliminating mdns4_minimal definitely fixes the failures to resolve. some of my lookups are also a lot faster. but still seems slow on internal ones.
[17:31] <Timo_> iconmefisto, how can i figure that out?:p
[17:31] <nemo> yep. getaddrinfo still takes like 5 s :(
[17:32] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/eglibc/+bug/417757/comments/7
[17:33] <nemo> probably that...
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> Interesting and missleading 'message' i got just now about a program.destop entry on the desktop being 'not marked as trusted' made me think theres some fancy security feature at work
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> Turns out it just needed to me chmoded tobe executable...
[17:36] <Dr_Willis> Does this seem a little weird/missleading to anyone else?
[17:38] <rohan> Dr_Willis: is that .desktop entry a part of the default install, or a program in the repo?
[17:38] <scott_ino2> Dr_Willis, hey glad you're back, I'm just out the door but should return in half hour if you're around?
[17:38] <scott_ino2> Did you check on the encodings?
[17:39] <nemo> nope. that still doesn't do it :(
[17:39] <edward__> Hello.
[17:39] <edward__> Does anyone know how to fix a problem with EEEPC 901 wireless in 10.04?
[17:40] <iconmefisto> Timo_: try lsmod | grep nvidia
[17:41] <Timo_> thanks
[17:41] <Timo_> iconmefisto, And how to blacklist? ( :$ )
[17:41] <edward__> Is Ubuntu aware of any wireless connectivity issues in Lucid?
[17:41] <iconmefisto> Timo_: careful you don't blacklist your graphics module though!!
[17:41] <Timo_> nvidia               9932176  38
[17:41] <Timo_> agpgart                31724  2 via_agp,nvidia
[17:41] <Timo_> that's my result
[17:43] <iconmefisto> Timo_: blacklisted modules in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[17:43] <gintonic> edward__: I have an eeepc 901. Haven't noticed any wireless problems
[17:43] <Timo_> iconmefisto, and what do I have to blacklist then now? Cos I don't wanna blacklist my graphics :D
[17:44] <iconmefisto> Timo_: if you look at that file, you'll see how it works. blacklist module-name
[17:44] <gintonic> edward__: Scratch that, I just remembered it doesn't have the standard wifi card
[17:44] <iconmefisto> Timo_: not too sure
[17:44] <edward__> Oh :(
[17:44] <iconmefisto> Timo_: there's probably a better way to find the audio module
[17:44] <edward__> It's just that it doesn't connect.
[17:45] <edward__> Or it does, then disconnects really quickly.
[17:45] <edward__> Using the rt2860
[17:45] <edward__> I've tried following tutorials to install the new drivers but it doesn't work.
[17:47] <arand> Heh, the button order isn't mentioned in the release notes ^-^
[17:47] <Reckon> what if the install process gets stuck checking the swap partition?
[17:47] <rohan> arand: you mean the order of buttons in window titlebar?
[17:48] <rohan> Reckon: your swap partition might be marked 'dirty' by a previous distro
[17:48] <espen77> Reckon: doing encrypted home?
[17:48] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/417757/comments/279
[17:48] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/417757/comments/280
[17:48] <arand> rohan: Indeed, but it doesn't mention anything about the new theme at all anyways, soo...
[17:48] <edward__> :/
[17:48] <nemo> (that's my writeup of what I've tried this morning :(  )
[17:49] <Reckon> rohan: unfortunately, yes
[17:49] <rohan> Reckon: just make sure you don't let the installer format it
[17:49] <edward__> Anyone aware of wireless issues in Lucid? Specifically the EEEPC 901.
[17:49] <rohan> gintonic: ping, are you still around?
[17:49] <espen77> Reckon: if doing encrypted, it take a while at the swap.....my installatin stopped for 30 min at swap
[17:50] <gintonic> rohan: Yep
[17:50] <rohan> gintonic: after finishing 100%, zsync is just stuck. what should i do?
[17:50] <rohan> #################### 100.0% 50.7 kBps DONE ---> is being shown
[17:51] <Guest88931> Does anyone know how to turn off the "the media contains digital photos -- open fspot" prompt in nautilus?
[17:51] <Guest88931> Didn't have this in karmic if I remember correctly
[17:51] <gintonic> rohan: Check your download folder to see if it's actually done, in which case quit. If not, then quit and rerun to see if it will finish this time
[17:52] <rohan> gintonic: no, it is still showing as .part
[17:52] <rohan> though, md5sum of the .part file matches the actual .iso
[17:53] <rohan> so i guess i'll just rename the .part to .iso
[17:53] <gintonic> rohan: Just rename it then
[17:53] <gintonic> rohan: Though I never saw it get stuck like that before
[17:53] <rohan> yeah, strange
[17:54] <navi_> hi , who can say how to make quick update from ubuntu beta  10.4 to RC ?
[17:54] <rohan> navi_: you want to update installed system, or your iso?
[17:54] <BUGabundo_remote> !upgrade | navi_
[17:54] <Guest88931> apt-get dist-upgrade?
[17:54] <charlie-tca> !final | navi
[17:54] <rohan> gintonic: so, i have a proper RC iso now! thanks a lot :)
[17:55] <navi_> I have instaled system
[17:55] <gintonic> rohan: No problem
[17:55] <BUGabundo_remote> poor bot charlie-tca
[17:55] <gintonic> navi: Just aptitude update && aptitude full-upgrade
[17:55] <charlie-tca> I know, I know
[17:55] <rohan> navi_: or just use the update manager. should take care of everything.
 : update-manager -d
[17:56] <charlie-tca> Not one to say just update it, huh?
[17:56] <navi_> and my curent ati driver will works ? after that ?
[17:57] <gintonic> navi_: Are you using HDMI?
[17:57] <navi_> I have ATI HD 36xx series graphic
[17:57] <Guest88931> xXedixXx: Not a question lol. Just offering my help without real conviction.
[17:57] <navi_> no, I don't have HDMI
[17:57] <rohan> gintonic: cool, and now my kubuntu iso is 54% done :)
[17:58] <gintonic> navi_: You'll most likely be fine then.
[17:58] <xXedixXx> Guest88931: Sozza
[17:59] <navi_> what about ati lag bug ( windo maximalisation thing )  ? It's fixed ?
[18:00] <gintonic> navi_: You'd have to look up the particular bug on launchpad
[18:02] <navi_> btw. now I have hybrid fixed ati driver ... I have working ATI control panel , but I can't use compiz
[18:02] <navi_> it's official ati driver , but probably without 3d support :P
[18:02] <nemo> So does anyone here happen to have any idea what else I could try or where else I could report this dns issue?
[18:02] <Naru> Are their no updates for Ubuntu 10.04 since Yesterday? My Ubuntu don't show my updates...
[18:02] <nemo> it does sound serious
[18:02] <IdleOne> jeward: I have not recieved any updates so far
[18:03] <jeward> Hi, I'm trying to install 10.04 on a Mac Pro.  It gets only so far in the boot process and thn just hangs.
[18:03] <nemo> Naru: that's typical after a release candidate
[18:03] <IdleOne> jeward: sorry wrong person :)
[18:03] <Reckon> rohan: How to avoid formatting the swap partition if /home encrypted?
[18:03] <IdleOne> Naru: I haven't got any updates
[18:03] <jeward> It says: The disk drive for /dev/sda1 is not ready yet or not present.
[18:03] <Naru> Since Yesterday?
[18:03] <IdleOne> Naru: correct
[18:04] <jeward> Should I try installing karmic and upgrading?
[18:04] <gintonic> Naru: Not since 19th
[18:04] <Naru> But Today was the RC Release... without any updates? I think, there is no differenece to the Beta
[18:05] <navi_> jeward, You should instal karmic and forgot about upgrade :P or wait fot final
[18:05] <nemo> Naru: that's typical.
[18:05] <Dr_Willis> I had about 5 updates just now when i updated
[18:05] <gintonic> Naru: There are differences from beta2
[18:05] <nemo> Naru: you've been updating regularly right?
[18:06] <nemo> Dr_Willis: heh. I just got some too. including xserver. nothing DNS related unfortunately :(
[18:06] <Naru> I use the GUI for this.
[18:06] <nemo> oh well. I can hope
[18:06] <nemo> Naru: usually is a lul around rc though.
[18:07] <nukelacity> can anyone help me? i have an ubuntu 10.04 problem with a RaLink rt2500 wireless card
[18:07] <navi_> update server is very slow ( overloaded ) or it's a problem with my wi-fi ?
[18:08] <nemo> my update occurred rather quickly. could depend on your mirror of course
[18:08] <perlsyntax> many people i bet
[18:08] <Naru> ehr.. a "lul"? My english ist not so god...
[18:08] <nemo> Naru: sorry. lull
[18:08] <perlsyntax> how stable is 10.04:)
[18:08] <perlsyntax> Can't wait to try out perl 5.10.1
[18:08] <nemo> perlsyntax: well, apart from that graphics bug that got them in trouble, and isn't a problem if you're using fglrx...
[18:08] <LinuxGuy2009> stable
[18:09] <navi_> ok I will do my update toomorow
[18:09] <nemo> perlsyntax: and, my DNS has gotten horribly slow on my lucid machine. fine in karmic.
[18:09] <Naru> ah, k. I think, this is weird, but ok :)
[18:09] <nemo> perlsyntax: like. painfully slow.
[18:09] <navi_> it's time to back to my Unreal Dev Kit
[18:09] <nukelacity> can i have help with a wireless card problem please?
[18:10] <perlsyntax> nemo you useing dsl or cable?
[18:10] <rohan> nukelacity: what is the problem?
[18:10] <perlsyntax> i got a geforce card on my pc i hope i don't have prob with that.
[18:10] <nemo> perlsyntax: LAN
[18:10] <perlsyntax> i see
[18:10] <nemo> perlsyntax: and local LAN DNS servers.
[18:10] <LinuxGuy2009> Is the new ubuntu font in the repos to use? did it replace the old font I think the package was called ubuntu-font before. Did the new package replace the old one or does it have a new name?
[18:11] <perlsyntax> i just use one desktop for my internet.
[18:11] <nukelacity> i am using ubuntu 10.04 and a RaLink rt2500 wireless card.. my card has the lights turning on.. so i know that the card is working.. and the internet is obviously working because im on my laptop (desktop has the problem) now
[18:11] <nemo> perlsyntax: major company, hundreds of users, DNS is fine for everything else though. Karmic, Windows, OSX...
[18:11] <perlsyntax> odd
[18:11] <nemo> perlsyntax: problem is pretty clearly in Lucid - well. hopefully it won't hit you.
[18:11] <nukelacity> but ubuntu says it cannot find any wireless networks
[18:11] <Guest88931> Does anyone know how to turn off the "the media contains digital photos -- open fspot" prompt in nautilus?
[18:11] <perlsyntax> i hope my wireless cards works
[18:12] <NateWiebe> I have an Intel DH55HC motherboard with a 82578DC eth controller. I get a connection during the install, but not after. Any ideas?
[18:13] <nukelacity> does anyone have any idea to get the card to work?
[18:13] <Dr_Willis> NateWiebe:  check what modules are loaded by the live cd. if networking works there.. and compare to what the installed system is loading
[18:14] <NateWiebe> Dr_Willis: how would i check that?
[18:14] <Dr_Willis> NateWiebe:  with the lsmod command
[18:14] <bjwebb> NateWiebe: have you tried "Hardware Drivers"?
[18:14] <markl_> ok where did inittab go in this release?
[18:15] <markl_> is there any way to generate one
[18:15] <NateWiebe> bjwebb: thats the first thing i checked.. only thing listed there were nvidia drivers, but i cant download them due to lack of internet
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> boot live cd -> lsmod > worksonlive.txt   (copy the file to  a usb, or the installed system)   then boot normal system.   and compare output of lsmod
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> markl_:  thers not been an inittab for quite some time.
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> !inittab
[18:15] <markl_> my 9.10 system has one
[18:15] <nukelacity> no ideas?
[18:15] <Dr_Willis> !upstart
[18:16] <charlie-tca> markl_: yes, 9.10 used it, but 10.04 will not
[18:16] <om26er> how can I hide the ubuntu log in the top panel?
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> I dont rcall seeing an inittab on my 9,10 box. perhaps it depended on what services you setup
[18:16] <Dr_Willis> I dont even have a 9,10 box to check any more
[18:17] <nukelacity> ughh i need to fix this problem :/
[18:17] <markl_> charlie-tca: ok cool, thanks.  seems like openvz hates upstart; i need to figure this out
[18:19] <nukelacity> is anybody good with wireless cards and ubuntu? im sorry if im stressing but i am generally stressed at the moment and my desktop PC isnt exactly helping :/
[18:21] <iconmefisto> my karmic doesn't have inittab
[18:21] <markl_> nukelacity: what wireless card is it?
[18:21] <charlie-tca> Maybe it was Jaunty used it and it carried forward depending on what was installed?
[18:21] <nukelacity> RaLink rt2500
[18:22] <guntbert> om26er: do want to hide the ubuntu logo perhaps? ;-) (no idea how to do it though)
[18:22] <markl_> how does upstart get started in the first place?
[18:22] <Reckon> Sorry if redundant. What if the install process gets stuck checking the swap partition for more than 30 mins?
[18:22] <markl_> i would assume that the kernel is just running init and init should know what to do
[18:22] <om26er> guntbert, the panel wont resize to 22px with that logo ;)
[18:22] <Naru> nukelacity, maybe you have to install linux-backports-modules-lucid
[18:22] <rohan> Reckon: just mkswap it yourself, but you will (obviously) lose all the data you've on it
[18:23] <Naru> But i dont know, wether linux-backport-modules avaible for 10.04
[18:23] <nukelacity> Naru: how would i do that without an internet connection?
[18:23] <Naru> Oh. damn.
[18:23] <Reckon> mkswap from a root bash?
[18:23] <rohan> correct
[18:24] <rohan> why is the swap dirty? had you hibernated a distro?
[18:24] <Reckon> vbox and hibernation.... nice mix, isn't it?
[18:24] <rohan> heh, you found out the hard way ;p
[18:25] <adelcampo> has anyone gone from wubi 10.04 to a native partition?
[18:25] <Reckon> rohan: absolutely!
[18:25] <rohan> adelcampo: is that even possilbe/
[18:26] <nukelacity> Naru: is there any possible way to make this work? if anyone can help me to sort this out they will be helping me sort out a computer and take a hell of a lot of stress on me so ill be all the more thankful lol
[18:27] <nukelacity> stress off me* -_- lol
[18:28] <Naru> Sorry, i cant help. And i thinkm the package isn't avaible for 10.04, i didnt found it.
[18:28] <adelcampo> rohan: that's what I'm trying to find out. http://lubi.sourceforge.net/lvpm.html says it can do it for wubi 7 to 8
[18:28] <nukelacity> ughh :/ thanks anywayy.. it was working the first time i installled ubuntu 10.04.. but i screwed up thegraphics and had to reinstall ubuntu.. now it just wont pick up any wifi :/
[18:29] <nukelacity> dont know if that helps solve it in any way lol
[18:29] <Naru> You can try to use ndiswarepper
[18:29] <Craiggles> hello
[18:29] <urthmover> network startup order:  Is it possible for me to specify the order  in which my network interfaces come up during boot?
[18:30] <h00k> So, this memory issue (bug 565981), I'm pretty sure I ran into this with the proprietary nvidia driver the other day.
[18:30] <h00k> I will re test thatnow.
[18:30] <nukelacity> how do i use that? do i download the windows driver and drag the file to a place on my ubuntu? lol sorry im completely new to the wireless drivers side of ubuntu.. im used to graphics and the general OS lol
[18:31] <Naru> I dont know. All my WLAN runs out of the box.
[18:31] <nukelacity> hmm.. ill look into using ndiswrapper in a few minutes
[18:31] <nukelacity> lol
[18:31] <ojii> hi everyone
[18:32] <nukelacity> but its going to get annoying cuz i cant use this at the same time as firefox.. its a bad laptop xD the exact reason i bought my PC lol
[18:33] <ojii> i use this script http://bit.ly/brrnNm to turn off my MBP 5.1 touchpad. it works rather good, but if i then type in a shell the mouse cursor 'disappears' and re-enables the touchpad, which is really annoying. does anyone have an idea how i could disable the touchpad of this MBP (until i explicitely re-enable it)?
[18:34] <nukelacity> Naru: thankyou very much for the help :) even though it wasnt much i still appreciate it.. its one step closer lol.. im going to go an research ndiswrapper.. and if that doesnt work ill be back for some more grilling of your mind lol xD thankyou very much though :)
[18:34] <ojii> okay the re-enable because of typing is wrong, it "just re-enables" itself after a while (the interval varies and i cannot see a common action to trigger the enabling)
[18:35] <NateWiebe> Alright.. so my lan works with the live cd, but not after the install.. Dr_Willis said to run lsmod and compare. the live cd is running these extra modules: squashfs, aufs, nls_cp437, isofs, dm_raid45, xor, and dm_crypt ... would any of those have to do with no lan?
[18:35] <nukelacity> thankyou Naru ima go now xD thanks
[18:36] <Naru> fine :)
[18:36] <hmw2> How can I adjust the screen resolution of the login screen?
[18:37] <NateWiebe> wow.. lan started working after the 2nd reboot.. nvm then
[18:38] <Craiggles> would you recommend me learning ubuntu commands, some bash and C, well the basics? HEH
[18:38] <Craiggles> *HEH
[18:38] <Craiggles> **heh
[18:39] <guntbert> !cli | Craiggles
[18:39] <tobi_> how's upcomming Ubuntu?
[18:40] <XonX> I can't add volume control to the notification area in lycid. Tried to find gnome-volume-control-applet, but there seems to be no such pakage in the repo
[18:40] <tobi_> I guess you've removed the useless pulseaudio and it resoulted in no volume applet?
[18:40] <Jordan_U> XonX: Add the "indicator applet"
[18:42] <XonX> Jordan_U: It works. Thank you
[18:42] <Jordan_U> XonX: You're welcome.
[18:51] <switchgirl> was there an undo button in nautilus (karmic) ?
[18:51] <Guest46473> hi
[18:52] <Guest46473> i use ubuntu 10.04 and when i start firefox the mouse cursor shows this busy circle until i move the cursor in the adress bar
[18:52] <Guest46473> why?
[18:57] <nemo> hm. I'm now getting a crash in:
[18:57] <nemo> /lib/libnss_wins.so.2(_nss_wins_gethostbyname_r+0x35f)[0x7f8fcd4fbe6f]
[18:57] <nemo>  /lib/libnss_wins.so.2(_nss_wins_gethostbyname_r+0x35f)[0x7f8fcd4fbe6f]
[18:57] <nemo> that wasn't happening before. perhaps related to something I changed in nsswitch.conf
[18:57] <switchgirl> Guest46473, just a guess i't busy?
[18:58] <ianwizard1> update-manager says that 10.04 is out, but the countdown still has 7 days left, and it doesn't say that it's a beta?
[18:58] <nemo> ah. I had wins in nsswitch.conf - removing it eliminates the crash
[18:59] <Guest46473> switchgirl: for ever? :)
[18:59] <Pici> ianwizard1: What command are you running to open update-manager?
[18:59] <switchgirl> yeah ever changing... :P just thought i'd say somthing so you don't get frustraighted
[18:59] <ianwizard1> update-manager -d, but it said it was still beta last time. (last release)
[19:00] <Pici> ianwizard1: The -d switch means that you want the Development version
[19:00] <ianwizard1> I thought it was distro, that's what I read a while back, sorry and thanks :P
[19:01] <Guest46473> switchgirl: ah thanks^
[19:03] <duffydack> what the,.. where did 100 people just go lol
[19:09] <johnjohn101> will it be hard to change from the nouveau driver to the nvida driver?
[19:09] <iconmefisto> Italian_Plumber: which screen says it's 9.10?
[19:09] <_pg_> how do i upgrade beta 2 to RC? or does this question even make sense
[19:09] <vak> hi all
[19:09] <Italian_Plumber> the install screen when it says "Installing system/copying files"
[19:09] <ninjai> random question......... when ubuntu 10.04 is released, if the beta is fully updated.... is it the same?
[19:09] <jmichaelx> _pg_: if you have things up to date, you are already using the RC
[19:09] <yofel_> ninjai: yes
[19:10] <ninjai> yofel: thanks!
[19:10] <sebsebseb> ninjai: so people say, but
[19:10] <yofel_> h00k: back
[19:10] <_pg_> jmichaelx: does that mean that once it goes final i just need to run update manager?
[19:10] <h00k> yofel: welcome back
[19:10] <jmichaelx> _pg_: yes
[19:10] <h00k> yofel: Can you assist me bylooking at my 'free' to see if I have an unusually small amount of mem left?
[19:11] <_pg_> jmichaelx: thats so cool!
[19:11] <Italian_Plumber> " you might not get exactly what you're meant to have." ... would there be something fundamentally wrong or just little things?
[19:11] <sebsebseb> ninjai: from experience of upgrading from development versions to the final in the past,  I'll tell you this, you will have all the updates sure, but they might not be being used how they are meant to be.  so if you're lacking a feature after doing it, here's why
[19:11] <yofel> h00k: well, I can try...
[19:11] <h00k> yofel: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/ethernet
[19:11] <h00k> bah.
[19:11] <_pg_> jmichaelx: what about if I have ubuntu studio 64bit 9.10 and i want to go to 10.04? best way to do that?
[19:11] <h00k> yofel: http://pastebin.com/PKDVFZX1 rather. sorry.
[19:11] <cheche> Hi, just one question that I have not been able to find on the forums. Is the  window control switch be permanent for next version?. i thought that it was a beta test
[19:12] <Italian_Plumber> where can I get the RC?
[19:12] <sebsebseb> _pg_: uhmmm the studio is Ubuntu, just with multimedia packages as part of it
[19:12] <ninjai> sebsebseb: Thanks for the input!
[19:12] <Italian_Plumber> preferrably by torrent
[19:12] <h00k> yofel: I had a problem with the nvidia driver the other day, am back to GLX 1.4 and proprietary nvidia, there is no GEM count I can cat to see
[19:12] <yofel> h00k: no, looks good
[19:12] <furenku> hello! could anybody point me to where i can find a lowlatency kernel? i've been looking for it to no avail
[19:12] <sebsebseb> _pg_:  so just upgrade  from 9.10, and you get the 10.04 one
[19:12] <h00k> yofel: hookay.
[19:12] <jmichaelx> _pg_: you would need to look at documentation for ubuntu studio, but i imagine is upgrade path is similar to the other *buntus
[19:13] <sebsebseb> _pg_: I mean if you upgrade a final release, to the next final release
[19:13] <yofel> h00k: free should be as small as possible as the file system cache uses whatever isn't used for applications and buffers
[19:13] <sebsebseb> ninjai: np
[19:13] <_pg_> sebsebseb: yes, from 9.10 final to 10.04 final both studio
[19:13] <Italian_Plumber> "This installation will finish soon.  We hope you enjoy Ubuntu." :)  Sounds... like you think I might not. :)
[19:13] <furenku> _pg_: however there might be a problem with the -rt kernel; since there doesn't seem to be a rt kernel in lucid, AFAIK
[19:13] <yofel> h00k: that's why there's a '+/- caches' value too
[19:13] <_pg_> furenku: Ahhh! what do I do? lol
[19:13] <h00k> yofel: alright. and I'm not sure how to check how much x is using.
[19:14] <Trewas> cheche: it's permanent at least in that sense that it will be default in lucid, who knows about the next release
[19:14] <sebsebseb> _pg_:  upgrading should work well, final release to final release
[19:14] <_pg_> sebsebseb: what about lack of a RT kernel in lucid as furenku says?
[19:14] <sebsebseb> _pg_: a what kernel?
[19:14] <cheche> Trewas: thanks, so what was the point on putting polls. Most people feel that a error
[19:14] <_pg_> sebsebseb: RT. (I assume Real Time),
[19:14] <yofel> h00k: me neither (well, you can check X with top, but I don't know where to look for graphics drivers. btw: nvidia doesn't use gem)
[19:15] <h00k> yofel: righto
[19:15] <Italian_Plumber> ah... found the RC ... http://releases.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/
[19:15] <furenku> _pg_: i'm lost in the same issue... i just installed lucid, and am being unable to boot into -rt kernel for some reason. i must say, that the rt version being installed is 2.6.31-x instead of 2.6.32
[19:15] <sebsebseb> _pg_: most users are fine with the default repo kernels, but for those that want something a bit differnet, they can useually compile their own kernel.  However the Ubuntu support channels as far as I know can't support people with issues after this.
[19:15] <_pg_> sebsebseb: i didnt compile anything myself
[19:15] <DasEi> did anyone tried to put lucid on an old celeron, (real old, PII-family), the Installer gives me a wrong kernel error, chrootin' and installalling 386 generic passed out same result
[19:15] <_pg_> sebsebseb: im not intelligent enough for that. Studio uses a RT kernel
[19:16] <cheche> DasEi: how much memory do you have on there?
[19:16] <arand> n
[19:16] <DasEi> cheche: 256
[19:16] <Italian_Plumber> I have hardy server on a Pentium III ...no problems.  Although it did go ballistic when I tried to install a PCI SATA controller and drive.
[19:16] <cheche> The minimum memory requirement for Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is  256 MB of memory. Note that some of your system's memory may be  unavailable due to being used by the graphics card.
[19:16] <_pg_> furenku: youre losing me. what does that mean, per se?
[19:16] <sebsebseb> _pg_: I am not that sure what you mean by that type of kernel if at all really, but  well if you upgrade it to the 10.04 version, then you will get whatever kernel the 10.04  version is using I guess.  Well definetly if you were using default kernel in 9.10.
[19:16] <Trewas> cheche: the ones who made the polls are probably not the ones who decide such changes in ubuntu...
[19:17] <DasEi> cheche: it ram karmic fine (minimal/icewm)
[19:17] <DasEi> ran*
[19:17] <cheche> Trewas: it is a same... big usability problems
[19:17] <cheche> Trewas: do you know the real reason of that change?
[19:17] <cheche> Trewas: just to look like a Mac?
[19:17] <_pg_> cheche: yessss bwaahahaha
[19:17] <cheche> Trewas: just to look diferent to windows?
[19:18] <sebsebseb> Italian_Plumber: by the way if I was running an important server on Hardy,  I would be in no rush at all to upgrade it to Lucid.
[19:18] <sebsebseb> Italian_Plumber: when the final is out
[19:18] <Italian_Plumber> heh no this isn't an important server
[19:18] <Trewas> cheche: I have not heard anyone state a real reason, and IMO it is a mistake, for me it sounded like they wanted to make finally changing the default theme really noticeable
[19:18] <Italian_Plumber> just something to hold my music, movies, and ... um ... wallpapers. :)
[19:18] <sebsebseb> Italian_Plumber: even for not that important servers,  most of them, hardy would be fine really I guess, untill it goes end of  life as a server, no more security updates
[19:18] <Italian_Plumber> I run apt-cacher, svn, and dns on it... and vmware
[19:19] <Italian_Plumber> I use my work laptop as my main pc at home.
[19:19] <h00k> yofel: top | grep Xorg, I'ma keep an eye on this.
[19:20] <cheche> Trewas: do you know of anywhere that talks about this change? A way to revert back to "nomal"?
[19:20] <Italian_Plumber> and I don't plan on upgrading unless there's a real reason to
[19:20] <Italian_Plumber> EOL would be a real reason. :)
[19:20] <h00k> yofel: I'll stop bothering you about this, thanks for everything
[19:21] <yofel> you're welcome
[19:21] <cheche> DasEi: did you try to install with the alternate CD?
[19:21] <furenku> _pg_: sorry, i'm myself quite lost, and doing research and looking for things. you should probably ask inside #ubuntustudio
[19:21] <_pg_> furenku: im in there too lol
[19:22] <Trewas> cheche: ayatana mailing list had some talks about it, after the change was made... and the bot knows how to change it back, but beats me with what incantation
[19:22] <DasEi> cheche: yes, it complains about wrong kernel version (yes, I used the 386) , lets you finish, and then hangs at boot
[19:22] <Trewas> !window controls
[19:22] <h00k> !controls
[19:22] <Trewas> that one, thanks h00k :)
[19:23] <DasEi> cheche: I just wondered if it's possible it's not supported anymore as centos latest won't do no more for PI
[19:23] <h00k> Trewas: I have a feeling it will get used a lot
[19:23] <cheche> thanks h00k
[19:23] <helo> how do i uninstall gnome?
[19:23] <npope> hey all, is vim-full still around or did it get replaceD?
[19:25] <DasEi> helo : whole desktop, gdm or just the panel ?
[19:25] <helo> gnome desktop
[19:26] <helo> installing kubuntu-desktop first...
[19:26] <DasEi> helo: sudo apt-get remove ---purge (< for configs killed, too) ubuntu-desktop
[19:26] <Italian_Plumber> wow I'm glad it let me skip installing the "language packs"
[19:28] <dupondje> if I do a aptitude safe-upgrade, it shows me what packages it will upgrade
[19:28] <dupondje> is it possible to check what versions it will upgrade to ?
[19:28] <DasEi> helo: unless a space issue or a weak procci, can also leave it on and set lucid to use kdm instead of gdm
[19:28] <furenku> hello! could anybody point me to where i can find a lowlatency kernel? i've been looking for it to no avail
[19:29] <AnAnt> Hello, rhythmbox crashes here
[19:29] <DasEi> dupondje: can add a   --dry-run   to apt, so it shows what it would do, without actual change, apt-cache show for a specific packet
[19:30] <AnAnt> seg faults , last thing I see is that it is trying to connect to ubuntuone
[19:30] <AnAnt> why is it connecting to ubuntuone ?
[19:30] <DasEi> dupondje:like sudo apt-get update --dry-run
[19:31] <arand> AnAnt: ubuntu music store I assume..
[19:31] <coderminus> what is eta for RC today?
[19:31] <AnAnt> arand: how can I stop that ?
[19:31] <arand> coderminus: out now
[19:31] <DasEi> !lucid > coderminus
[19:32] <arand> AnAnt: Don't know, maybe removeing the musicstore plugin.
[19:32] <helo> DasEi: yeah, it's a space issue on this thumb drive. thanks for the info :)
[19:32] <DasEi> helo: ic
[19:32] <arand> AnAnt: rhythmbox-ubuntuone-music-store would be the package I guess
[19:32] <helo> will there be debian usage of ubuntuone?
[19:33] <DasEi> helo: gnome-games and openoffice* is also a spacekiller, unless needed
[19:33] <AnAnt> arand: thanks, that solved it
[19:33] <z0rt|work> holy libmono updates batman
[19:33] <ninjai> I have a question... in ubuntu 10.04 I noticed there is no button in nautilus to change the address bar from buttons to text input.... any way to change this?
[19:33] <coderminus> arand: link on wiki does not point to anything usefull
[19:34] <arand> coderminus: ubuntu.com
[19:35] <arand> coderminus: There are more links in the channel topic
[19:35] <soee> plymouth doesnt work good with nvidia drivers in Kubuntu RC, do u have the same ?
[19:35] <cheche> !lucid > cheche
[19:35] <ninjai> anyone know what im talking about?
[19:37] <arand> ninjai: Design, decision, use Ctrl+L to get it back temporarily, see Bug #508632 for more
[19:37] <ninjai> arand: thanks a lot I didn't know it was a bug!
[19:38] <arand> ninjai: It's not, it's a gnome decision to remove it.
[19:38] <ninjai> arand: ohhh, that's annoying... im surprised they don't allow the option....
[19:39] <arand> ninjai: you can change back permanently using gconf, or using the patch by midspeclowload...
[19:39] <Zelozelos> arand where do we get the patch?
[19:39] <arand> ninjai: But there is no obvious way, no.
[19:39] <arand> Zelozelos: bug report
[19:40] <arand> Zelozelos: if you check my PPA packages should be there, I think.
[19:40] <ninjai> arand: Ah, I see that... i found it quite easily in gconf...
[19:41] <ojii> is it normal that shift+space inserts a \u00a0 (non breaking space) on lucid?
[19:42] <arand> Zelozelos: But obviously, you should never trust unofficial repos like mine.
[19:42] <Zelozelos> arand tok i dont want it to be permanent, i want to be able to toggle between so ill just remember the ctrl-l way ;0
[19:44]  * helo links /var/cache/apt/archives to point to /dev/shm/
[19:47] <Zelozelos> oh cool you can just type a / and it shows the location bar
[19:49] <Zelozelos> and after you type it and hit enter, it goes back away, thats perfect :)
[19:54] <sithlord48> how can i reconfig my sound i upgraded my kubuntu to lucid and now i get only sound from the headphone jack the built in speakers will not work ..
[19:54] <guntbert> !nickspam > Yahweh
[19:54] <Zelozelos> k
[19:54] <Yahweh> I silence *!*@*
[19:54] <Yahweh> I get no private messages
[19:54] <ersoy> !bug ping
[19:54] <guntbert> !nickspam | Yahweh
[19:54] <beyondcr> dose any one know if creative xfi will be supported in 10.4?
[19:58] <sithlord48> how can i reconfig my sound i upgraded my kubuntu to lucid and now i get only sound from the headphone jack the built in speakers will not work ..
[20:10] <aboSamoor_> I wanted to ask if there is any known problems with secure ethernet connections appeared since the last week, I can not connect to internet in my university campus with an error of authentication failed. I stopped Network manager and run wpa_supplicant from the terminal to get that error
[20:11] <Zelozelos> anyone know how to register a nick name?
[20:12] <DasEi1> !register > Zelozelos
[20:12] <DasEi1> Zelozelos: #freenode is a helpfull channel, also /help in your messenger
[20:13] <sithlord48> how do i reconfig my sound server to set default output port (i want speakers not headphone jack)
[20:17] <NateWiebe> for some reason, my monitor is displaying multiple copies of the desktop.. this only happens with ubuntu. ???
[20:17] <NateWiebe> (4 cursors, each one to the right gets more and more transparent though)
[20:19] <lucas-arg> hello, can i use previous version of kde applet indecator? i dont remember its name but it really annoying the new one sliding pop ups and unhidding the taskbar for any system information
[20:20] <lucas-arg> i meant notifications theme
[20:20] <bj0rn2> Is there a tracker for remaining bugs tobefixed and/or an active list of changesets coming in before final?
[20:23] <charlie-tca> bjorn: main ones to be fixed - http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004overview#Known%20issues
[20:24] <nokblast> so is the X11 memory leak still being fixed
[20:24] <nokblast> I think I'm having some issues with it
[20:25] <joaopinto> nokblast, there was a call for testing for a fix
[20:25] <nokblast> joaopinto: I take it I'm late to the party  :)
[20:26] <sobersabre> hi.
[20:27] <nokblast> joaopinto: do you know who to contact?
[20:27] <sobersabre> I'm running update-manager -d now.
[20:28] <sobersabre> shall I be worried of something ?
[20:29] <alvin> mountall :-) It's not in those t-be-fixed before final notes
[20:29] <yofel> nokblast: what's your graphics driver?
[20:31] <nokblast> yofel: I have a VGA compatible controller: ATI Technologies Inc RV610 video device [Radeon HD 2400 PRO]
[20:31] <yofel> nokblast: 'glxinfo | grep GLX\ version' gives?
[20:31] <joaopinto> if you use the proprietary driver it is not affected
[20:33] <nokblast> and I'm not using the proprietary driver ok let me activate it
[20:33] <yofel> any idea why 'apt-get update' would spawn half a dozen apt-check processes?
[20:34] <yofel> nokblast: wait, if you use the open source one can you test the fix first?
[20:34] <nokblast> oh wait let me cancel this
[20:37] <nokblast> brb
[20:39] <karpus> hi, installing the 10.04 rc right now, but I want to have a separate /home this time so how large would I set the / ? (80 gb hdd, swap is 3 gb, so I assume use x gb for / and the rest for home)
[20:40] <nokblast> ok still on the open source driver
[20:40] <nokblast> what did you want me to test?
[20:40] <yofel> nokblast: first: what's your glx version?
[20:40] <Dimmuxx> karpus: 20gb for /
[20:40] <karpus> Dimmuxx: ok sounds good, thanks!
[20:42] <sobersabre> karpus: I'm also giving /var a separate partition. in case a daemon gets diabolized and starts spitting out too many logs - it will only fill /var
[20:42] <nokblast> yofel: I need to install glxinfo for that right?
[20:42] <sobersabre> but this depends on the system...
[20:42] <yofel> nokblast: yes
[20:43] <yofel> nokblast: If 'glxinfo | grep GLX\ version' gives "1.4" then please read https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030673.html
[20:43] <nokblast> yofel: server glx version string: 1.4
[20:47] <nokblast> yofel: reading
[20:47] <droid> jhow do i disacociate a network device from used interfaces?
[20:48] <yofel> droid: can you rephrase that? you mean rename 'eth0' or...?
[20:49] <droid> yofel my motherboard has two ethernet ports. both hooked into the same router. (in windows this reduced lag, in linux. it brings networking tob a screeming halt)
[20:50] <droid> i want turn off a interface, from bash, as my gdm id borked.
[20:51] <droid> they were both auto confed on load, if that makes much difference
[20:51] <yofel> droid: turn it off with 'sudo ifdown eth1' (I think)
[20:51] <joaopinto> or ifconfig eth1 down (I think)
[20:51] <droid> ifdown: interface eth1 not configured
[20:52] <droid> ahhah
[20:52] <joaopinto> so it's not configured, not with that device name
[20:52] <droid> thanks
[20:53] <yofel> running 'ifconfig' should list available interfaces
[20:53] <droid> no, the first command does nothing with either (eth0/eth1) the latter worked
[20:53] <yofel> ah, my fault then, sry
[20:56] <Dimmuxx> nice, normal speed on my computer again with the X fix
[21:00] <droid> ahhh crap. whats the command to dump/redownload all updated packages
[21:01] <yofel> droid: sudo apt-get clean
[21:01] <yofel> and then try the update again
[21:02] <nokblast> yofel: thanks for the info I'm going to monitor the object bytes to see if I have the issue.
[21:02] <droid> yofel and when a package fails with error 1 from dpkg?
[21:03] <yofel> droid: can you pastebin the full error message?
[21:03] <droid> no, im only netroot on borked rig
[21:03] <yofel> I mean the complete test  from 'unpacking...' or 'setting  up ...'
[21:04] <yofel> droid: how do you know that it failed with code 1 then?
[21:04] <droid> cause it scrolls then stops at that error.. i can take a picture..
[21:05] <CT1> How can I install to a usb hard disk?  I've tried google but only found how to make a usb "live cd"  I want to use this "live cd" to install a proper ubuntu onto a seperate usb disk.  Is this possible? Please point me in the right direction
[21:05] <yofel> droid: well, can you at least tell me what error it gives and what the package is that fails?
[21:08] <cheche> CT1: maybe this one: http://www.debuntu.org/how-to-install-ubuntu-linux-on-usb-bar
[21:08] <Maroven> hello im running 10.04 beta 2 on a nv79 laptop and it locks up every 40min
[21:09] <CT1> cheche: Thankyou very much!
[21:09] <cheche> Maroven: did you try to update to latest?
[21:09] <cheche> CT1: no worries
[21:09] <Maroven> up to 6 am gmt-5 today
[21:09] <Maroven> then i just gave up
[21:10] <DasEi1> CT1: also have a look at pendrivelinux
[21:10] <droid> crap
[21:10] <CT1> DasEi1: I will do.  Thanks
[21:10] <droid> i hate trying to transcript this man cn i just email you a pic?
[21:11] <droid> yofel
[21:11] <yofel> droid: if it's not private just put it on imagebin
[21:11] <yofel> !paste | droid
[21:12] <DasEi1> Ct1: that lets you create a real writeable usb, or just have the stick being only hd attached, also often works
[21:13] <droid> yofel because you simply CANT upload to imagebin from a droid. its impossible. i could do picasaweb, but thats a real pain too
[21:13] <Italian_Plumber> bayimg?
[21:13] <yofel> ah, ok
[21:14] <droid> italian nope.. it has to upload through the google apps api.. no browser uploader works. even in opera
[21:14] <CT1> DasEi1: It's for my brothers laptop.  I have a spare old-school laptop disk (not sata) and his internal sata has broken.  I want to install linux to that hard disk (I have the usb adaptor, which works fine as far as r/w from the live cd.  I want to install to that untill the financial crisis is over.
[21:14] <droid> and right now, the thing is my onl lifeline x.x
[21:15] <DasEi1> CT1: so why not just disconnect the internal and install directly to it as only attached hd ?
[21:16] <Maletor> Can somebody tell me how to resolve this error in /var/log/jockey.log ????? http://pastie.org/930347
[21:16] <CT1> DasEi1: The laptop takes sata disk. The one I have (with the usb convertor) is pata :(
[21:17] <DasEi1> CT1: so use usb adaptor for the pata, and install directly to it
[21:18] <yofel> Maletor: and the problem is?
[21:19] <araujo> anybody knows which package contain the dm_snapshot module? , I install lvm2 and dmsetup here but I can't find the module
[21:19] <Maletor> yofel: Jockey cannot activate my NVIDIA current drivers. Says "A different version of this driver is in use"
[21:20] <CT1> DasEi1: That's how I assumed it would go. after a successfull install and reboot, the screen stays blank.  Is there not something extra needed for a usb disk? or is a normal install to that disk (and boot from it in bios ofc) all that's needed? if so, my problem is elsewhere.
[21:21] <ZykoticK9> Maletor, is your system up to date?  That issue was solve a little while ago.
[21:21] <DasEi1> CT1: did you set brothers lappi to boot usb ?
[21:21] <DasEi1> (bios)
[21:21] <Maletor> ZykotickK9: I have have run sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get upgrade && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade before hand.
[21:22] <CT1> DasEi1: yup.  I don't get a grub menu though.  It's a flashing cursor
[21:22] <yofel> Maletor: your first attempt to read jockey.log shows that you already tried to install the driver and it seems to have done that
[21:22] <ZykoticK9> Maletor, did you try restarting the system after the updates (don't know if it would help, but it *should* be resolved)
[21:22] <Maletor> Under Administration => NVIDIA X Server Settings it reads 195.36.15 for Driver Version.
[21:22] <DasEi1> CT1: should work, either try to re-install grub or update-initramfs; acpi=off often does wonders on such
[21:23] <DasEi1> !bootpotions
[21:23] <Maletor> ZykotickK9: Yes. I have restarted several times.
[21:23] <ZykoticK9> Maletor, the "another driver in use" WAS an issue
[21:23] <Maletor> It still is for me.
[21:23] <Maletor> No resolution.
[21:23] <DasEi1> !bootoptions, ct1
[21:23] <DasEi1> !bootoptions
[21:24] <Maroven> hello anyone here an expert on getting a video card to work with ubuntu 10.04
[21:24] <Maroven> beta2
[21:24] <yofel> Maletor: and what's your issue with the driver? does it work now or not?
[21:24] <droid> maroven. what brand?
[21:24] <Maletor> yofel: It works. However, I want it to be the 195.36.08ubutu2 version not the 195.36.15 really poopy NVIDIA version.
[21:24] <CT1> DasEi1: Perhaps I made a mistake and grub was installed on the half-broken internal disk and ubuntu on the usb.  I'll investigate more.  Thanks for the help.  Just to confirm, there aren't any special requirements to installing to usb disk so long as bios can see and boot from it right?
[21:25] <h00k> Jork: The nouveau drivers are already installed in Lucid, so you don't have to do anything
[21:25] <yofel> Maletor: err... WHY? that won't work with jockey at least as that will install the highest available version from the repository
[21:25] <Jork> Hello. How can I install opensource nvidia graphic drivers (noveu ones) whic arent listed in hardware drivers ?
[21:25] <DasEi1> CT1: not a s I know, but if you did't put off the internal, grub will be there (until you told it other)
[21:25] <h00k> Jork: they are already are installed and you're using them
[21:25] <Maletor> so you're saying i should install 195.36.15? yofel
[21:25] <yofel> Maletor: also .15 works fine here and the versions before that had serious issues with overheating of some cards
[21:26] <CT1> DasEi1: Great!  That's what the problem is.  Many thank DasEi1
[21:26] <Yondering> hello, I have a couple of questions about the boot process in Lucid
[21:26] <yofel> Maletor: unless you've got a good reason not to yes
[21:26] <Maletor> yofel: so stay away from Jockey?
[21:26] <DasEi1> CT1: alternate or minimal gives finer options
[21:26] <droid> yofel hey
[21:26] <DasEi1> !alternate
[21:26] <yofel> Maletor: if you don't want to use the repository package yes
[21:27] <Jork> hook; I use 195.36.15 are those noveu?
[21:27] <Maletor> I would like to use the repo packagage but if you say 36.15 is better than...
[21:27] <Jork> noveau*
[21:27] <h00k> Jork: no, that's the proprietary nvidia drivers
[21:27] <MGMTM3> Quick question if anyone has the time
[21:27] <yofel> Maletor: 36.15 IS the repos package
[21:28] <Maletor> yofel: then why doesn't Jockey work!?
[21:28] <h00k> Jork: if you disable that and reboot, you'll be using nouveau
[21:28] <Jork> h00k: So how can I install noveau ones?
[21:28] <Jork> aha I see
[21:28] <h00k> Jork: you don't need to
[21:28] <Yondering> if HAL has been moved out of the boot process, should I assume that's the reason my freshly installed 10.04 box hangs for three or four minutes at the login window waiting for my mouse & keyboard to activate, so I can log in?
[21:28] <yofel> Maletor: well, maybe the you don't have the fix yet or something, do you have 'nvidia-current' installed?
[21:28] <Maletor> yofel: yes
[21:28] <Jork> For now the work just fine
[21:28] <Jork> they*
[21:29] <yofel> Maletor: and /etc/X11/xorg.conf shows 'nvidia' as used driver
[21:29] <yofel> ?
[21:29] <Maletor> i have also run sudo sh 'NVIDIA-Driveres-from-their-website'
[21:29] <yofel> noooo...
[21:29] <Maletor> yofel: yes
[21:29] <Jork> but compi is still little bugy
[21:29] <Jork> compiz*
[21:29] <Maletor> yofel: so what should i do?
[21:29] <yofel> Maletor: well, then the driver should be working fine, and NEVER use the driver from the nvidia site
[21:30] <Maletor> yofel: well, i already have so what now?
[21:30] <Jork> yofel what problem do you have?
[21:30] <wbc17> Just installed 10.04 RC, and was going to install the nvidia proprietary drivers, but the newest in the list is version 173, but isn't there a 190 something out?
[21:30] <yofel> Maletor: a) hope that it works, b) if not, I don't know how to remove the .run driver other than reinstalling ubuntu
[21:30] <yofel> Jork: I don't have any issues
[21:31] <Maletor> yofel: you can pass uninstall option but it doesn't seem to work...
[21:31] <Jork> wbc17: yes they should be 195.36.15 on the list too
[21:31] <droid> yofel. any ideas how to fix my ws?
[21:31] <yofel> wbc17: 195 is in the list called 'current'
[21:31] <wbc17> yofel: oh so that is how it is, I'll just install that one then, thanks
[21:32] <MGMTM3> Did the RC fix the GLX 1.4 memory leak?
[21:32] <jmichaelx> i have a question. i have near me three different machines running lucid, getting their updates from the same mirror. however, 'cat /etc/lsb-release' gives different output on one of the three machines. on 2 of the machines, i getDISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu lucid (development branch)"
[21:32] <yofel> wbc17: you should install the 'recommended' one
[21:32] <yofel> MGMTM3: not yet, fix is still being tested
[21:32] <jmichaelx> DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 10.04 LTS"but on the third, i get
[21:32] <Maletor> yofel: well i uninstall the .run and it still doesn't work
[21:32] <MGMTM3> yofel thanks ill revert then
[21:32] <Maletor> same error for jockey
[21:32] <yofel> MGMTM3: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030673.html
[21:33] <jmichaelx> but on the third, i get DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 10.04 LTS"*
[21:33] <Yondering> so, am I experiencing something unique with my 10.04 rc installation..?
[21:33] <jmichaelx> why does one say '10.04 LTS', and the other two 'development branch'
[21:34] <yofel> droid: I didn't receive a mail yet
[21:34] <droid> beta 1/2 and rc 1
[21:34] <Yondering> because it seems to me, a 'faster' boot process is all but useless unless it actually lets you use the pc faster.. which mine isn't. =/
[21:35] <Jork> anyone knows when nex stable relese of wine will came?
[21:35] <Jork> next*
[21:35] <arand> Jork: #winehq would know I assume
[21:36] <sebas891> hi folks,
[21:36] <yofel> jmichaelx: propably caused by the rc transistion, beta should show "dev branch", rc should not, I'm not sure how that get's changed
[21:36] <ZykoticK9> jmichaelx, on my Alpha2 install I'm seeing "Ubuntu 10.04 LTS" yet on a fresh RC install i'm seeing "development branch" as well - no idea what accounts for the difference
[21:36] <Maletor> yofel: what can i do?
[21:37] <sebas891> Anyone trying to setup a slapd slave server with lucid?
[21:37] <droid> wine is aptly named, for one must turn the version for the age (program).
[21:37] <yofel> Maletor: no idea, try to run 'sudo aptitude purge nvidia-current' first and then try jockey again
[21:38] <Daijoubu> Hello :) i want to switch to the release candidate but i have a small problem ^^ i took some video clips today and they are 3 gigs.Will it be possible to store 2gb of them on Ubuntu One using the Live CD loaded on USB Stick O-O
[21:38] <arand> jmichaelx: update the base-files package.
[21:38] <droid> how do i nuke downloaded upgrade debs?
[21:38] <ZykoticK9> droid, they are stored in /var/cache/apt/archives
[21:39] <DasEi1> droid: apt-get clean
[21:39] <yofel> droid: 'sudo apt-get clean' will delete the .deb files, but if you're stuck in an error you might have to run 'sudo dpkg --configure -a' first to get it running again
[21:39] <DasEi1> droid: (cache)
[21:40]  * droid loves his i7
[21:41] <Daijoubu> emm o-o in other words is Ubuntu One working on the release candidate because it was not working in alpha 2 ?
[21:41] <Yondering> hello.. nobody else is having trouble with the boot process in 10.04? =/  mine hangs for 3-4 minutes at the login screen waiting for what I'm assuming is HAL to fire up & activate my keyboard & mouse...
[21:42] <droid> omfg
[21:42] <droid> after all that. its still hnging on the same openoffice package
[21:42] <Daijoubu> Yondering hal is removed in RC ?!
[21:43] <Daijoubu> "This release fully removes HAL from the boot process,"
[21:43] <Yondering> Daijoubu, I thought I read that it was just moved out of the boot process.  Meaning, it fires up "after" boot.
[21:43] <DasEi1> Yondering: I don't think it's hal, its depreciated;; look in your syslog, kernellog, messages, dmesg
[21:43] <DasEi1> (/var/log)
[21:43] <Yondering> DasEi1, ok, thanks.. will do.. as soon as my keyboard wakes up to let me log into this beast :)
[21:43] <jmichaelx> even hal experiences depreciation?
[21:44] <jmichaelx> geesh, i hope someone can write that off on their taxes...
[21:44] <Daijoubu> Yondering sooting in the dark but if it's a fresh install and you have Nvidia try installing the drivers from hardware manager o-o
[21:44] <yofel> Yondering: Ubuntu (gnome) shouldn't need hal at all in the default setup
[21:44] <DasEi1> jmichaelx: y, too slow, no parallel taasking > upstart now
[21:44] <Daijoubu> *shooting XD
[21:45] <Yondering> thanks.. hmmm looking in the logfiles now, not sure if I'll recognize anything out of the ordinary, but here goes..
[21:45] <droid> yofel. email
[21:45] <jmichaelx> DasEi1: i was just kidding. the word is actually 'deprecated'
[21:45] <yofel> droid: got it, reading
[21:45] <DasEi1> aah, thx, tel me karaut
[21:45] <DasEi1> tell*
[21:46] <Yondering> I'm using the nvidia 195 server from the hardware advisor, and that fires up fine to show me the login screen while I wait to actually log in, so I assume that's not the issue.
[21:47] <yofel> droid: bug in the package... or something like that, can you remove the package with 'sudo dpkg --remove --force-depens openoffice.org-hyphenation-de' first and try again?
[21:47] <BUGabundo> and me thinking we were in RC
[21:47] <BUGabundo> pfff
[21:47] <CT1> DasEi1: Worked a treat.  Clicking "advanced" at the end of the installer showed that grub was installed by default on the broken internal disk.  Chose the usb (sdb) and it's working great.  Thankyou for your help, you and the ubuntu community as a whole!
[21:48] <BUGabundo> sooooooooo many packages upgrade :S
[21:48] <yofel> droid: uups, should be '--force-depends'
[21:48] <Azelphur> does anyone know how to enable the icons in the applications menu? the "Interface" tap in Appearance is no more :(
[21:48] <Maletor> I get this error: mounting none on /dev failed No such device as mentioned in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1435968 and I have reinstalled my kernel. I don't know why I am still getting this error.
[21:48] <DasEi1> !yay | CT1
[21:49] <ZykoticK9> Azelphur, "gconftool-2 -s /desktop/gnome/interface/menus_have_icons --type boolean true"
[21:49] <meoblast001> how long should it take for 10.04 Beta 2 to boot?
[21:49] <Azelphur> ZykoticK9: ty
[21:49] <meoblast001> my CD drive is periodically repeating the same sounds
[21:49] <Azelphur> ZykoticK9: always seemed silly to me to remove the icons and not reclaim the space, it's like the worst of both options :P
[21:50] <Ken8521> meoblast001, man you have all sorts of odd problems..lol, sounds like its time for a new cd drive
[21:50] <Yondering> DasEi1, happen to have a link or something I could read off that would tell me what to look for in these logfiles?  As far as I can tell, I'm not seeing anything out of the ordinary.
[21:50] <meoblast001> it has nothign to do with the CD drive
[21:50] <meoblast001> i loaded up 3 other OSes off CDs this week
[21:50] <yofel> droid: and is it just me or does it actually try to *downgrade* the package from ubuntu2 to ubuntu1 ?
[21:50] <meoblast001> my friend said he was having the same problem
[21:50] <meoblast001> is the beta broken?
[21:50] <droid> yofel now im hitting same error with flashplugin-installer
[21:51] <DasEi1> Yondering: use the find function of editor, seek for error, waiting, unkwown and such
[21:51] <meoblast001> hm... everything stopped
[21:51] <Yondering> DasEi1, ok, thanks
[21:51] <meoblast001> lol, locked up
[21:51] <callaghan> I just tried to install the flash plugin in the Ubuntu Software Center, but it failed and an error message appeared suggesting that i should run "sudo dpkg --configure -a". I did that, and this is what happens: http://paste.ubuntu.com/420666/ Something wrong with this file, because I'm not able to download it in Firefox either...
[21:51] <meoblast001> so i go back to 9.10?
[21:51] <yofel> droid: are you using the main server as mirror?
[21:51] <meoblast001> and spend..... another 2 hours downloading the CD
[21:51] <meoblast001> biggest waste of CDs ever
[21:52] <packet-sent> cd-rw ????? save the planet
[21:52] <alvin> !zsync
[21:52] <meoblast001> packet-sent: how?
[21:52] <nemo> packet-sent: USB flash drive :)
[21:52] <droid> yofel main server as mirror? what? not unless beta2 was designed that way
[21:52] <packet-sent> usb is even better
[21:52] <nemo> packet-sent: + System->Administration->Startup Disc Creator :)
[21:52] <Yondering> DasEi1, I'm seeing in /var/log/messages, from 15:41:15 to 15:43:52 it's messing about with a usb hub/kvm switch I am using.  That seem abnormally long to you?
[21:53] <nemo> CDs are so retro
[21:53] <yofel> droid: it's just that the package version you have there isn't available on my german mirror (yet I guess), checking right now
[21:53] <DasEi1> Yondering: can be, can test-wise disable usb in bios
[21:53]  * jmichaelx runs many 'retro' machines
[21:53] <Yondering> DasEi1, hmm interesting, that'd kill off my keyboard though wouldn't it? ;)
[21:54] <nemo> jmichaelx: heh. my really retro machines can't run ubuntu anyway :)
[21:54] <yofel> droid: yep, main has that package
[21:54] <nemo> jmichaelx: the P133 and P266 run a very minimal gentoo
[21:54] <jmichaelx> nemo: must be pretty retro
[21:54] <jmichaelx> ahh
[21:54] <DasEi1> Yondering: hm, usb key, darn, yes.. was us a idea to verifiy if that causes the hang
[21:54] <nemo> jmichaelx: surprising how much you can get though - use seamonkey for mail/web, XFCE4 for desktop...
[21:54] <lucas-arg> hello, can we change notification themes for kubuntu? like 9.10 we had two different notifications pop-ups
[21:54] <DasEi1> just*
[21:55] <nemo> jmichaelx: 96MiB of memory, and once I'm at a desktop I usually still have half of it free
[21:55] <jmichaelx> i run debian lenny with full-blown xfce on a PII @ 300Mhz
[21:55] <meoblast001> so.... give up and go back to 9.10?
[21:55] <nemo> jmichaelx: how much memory? :)
[21:55] <jmichaelx> nemo: sweet
[21:55] <meoblast001> time to kill some more trees everyone
[21:55] <jmichaelx> nemo: 128MB
[21:55] <Yondering> DasEi1, I think I'm going to take that kvm out of the equation.  it's not doing much of anything for me anyhow, beyodn the occasional annoyance.
[21:55] <nemo> jmichaelx: luxury! ;)
[21:55] <jmichaelx> yep , love it
[21:55] <jmichaelx> lol
[21:55] <nemo> jmichaelx: I use NFS and SSH too - they suck up a bit of mem
[21:56] <DasEi1> Yondering: figure out if that causes it, yes
[21:56] <z0rt|work> you must budget the luxuries first you see
[21:56] <mininessie> how do install the ubutnu rc iso
[21:56] <jmichaelx> i have a PI with 64MB that is crying out for a tiny core installation
[21:57] <red> Anyone using Vuze?
[21:58] <mininessie> how do i install the ubutnu rc iso
[21:58] <z0rt|work> you must build a cloud of i486s and use them to conquer the universe
[21:58] <red> the GUI seems _really_ unresponsive after there are more than 2-3 torrents on the queue
[21:58] <meoblast001> oh my
[21:58] <meoblast001> release candidate
[21:58] <meoblast001> should i download that or 9.10
[21:58] <meoblast001> it's a high risk gamble
[21:58] <jmichaelx> z0rt|work: mention of an 1486 cloud of PCs is inspirational
[21:58] <mininessie> how do i install the ubutnu rc iso
[21:58] <jmichaelx> i486*
[21:58] <meoblast001> i can A) waste 2 hours of my life or B) get older software
[21:58] <z0rt|work> jmichaelx: you could also do it with a bunch of xboxen
[21:59] <yofel> mininessie: burn it to a cd or put it on a flash drive, boot it, install
[21:59] <z0rt|work> meoblast001: waste 2 hours of your life, the lucid lynx will thank you personally
[21:59] <callaghan> meoblast001: i installed the rc just now and it works fine
[21:59] <mininessie> yofel: no via terminal how do i do it
[21:59] <meoblast001> callaghan: did beta 2 work just fine for you?
[21:59] <joaopinto> meoblast001, if you didn't reported the problem with the beta cds booting, it's very unlikely that it will be fixed on the RC
[22:00] <nemo> joaopinto: you mean you did not read his mind?
[22:00] <meoblast001> i just found it 15 minutes ago though
[22:00] <yofel> mininessie: what are you using right now and what do you mean with 'install iso from terminal'?
[22:00] <Mahara> mininessie: Are you upgrading from a previous version e.g. 8.04 or 9.10 ? If yes use : http://tinyurl.com/355eynd
[22:01] <joaopinto> meoblast001, you could also try to install using the alternate cd, it's a safer bet
[22:01] <mininessie> yofel: i download the iso and i should be able to run it the upgrade from the cdromupgrade file
[22:01] <mininessie> yofel: but i can't
[22:01] <meoblast001> joaopinto: true
[22:01] <z0rt|work> maybe he means installing it from commandline with no gui
[22:01] <yofel> mininessie: I can't help you there, I don't know how that works
[22:02] <nemo> meoblast001: say. what boot options have you tried?
[22:02] <nemo> meoblast001: like, have you already disabled acpi and apic?
[22:02] <joaopinto> mininessie, the livecd does not allow you to upgrade, just reinstalling
[22:02] <Mahara> mininessie: You can't upgrade from .iso files use the link I gave you
[22:03] <meoblast001> nemo: no, i didn't try other boot options
[22:03] <Maletor> I get this error: mounting none on /dev failed No such device as mentioned in this thread http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1435968 and I have reinstalled my kernel. I don't know why I am still getting this error.
[22:03] <joaopinto> Maletor, are you running lucid ?
[22:03] <Yondering> DasEi1, KVM is out of the equation.. here goes nothing.
[22:03] <meoblast001> nemo: should i?
[22:03] <joaopinto> just to be safe :P
[22:03] <meoblast001> or should i just finish this alternative install disc
[22:03] <Maletor> joaopinto: yes
[22:04] <DasEi1> Yondering: no change in bootup-time ?
[22:04] <meoblast001> i'll just download it now, install later, as i have to go soon anyways
[22:04] <joaopinto> Maletor, does that error show during boot, on the start of the boot ?
[22:04] <Maletor> right after grub
[22:04] <joaopinto> hum, it's most likely to be a mountall issue
[22:05] <joaopinto> Maletor, try to boot with "init=/sbin/sulogin"
[22:05] <Maletor> joaopinto: my fstab is fine
[22:05] <joaopinto> I mean, in the linux kernel options
[22:05] <Yondering> DasEi1, nope.. not yet.  I was at a screen for about 30 seconds with the wallpaper & mouse cursor, but I couldn't move the mouse.   Now I'm at the gdm login screen but I still can't use the mouse or keyboard.
[22:05] <Maletor> how do i do that joaopinto?
[22:05] <joaopinto> Machtin, right, but mountall was changed on this release, a lot, and for some reason it may be handling your fstab wrong
[22:06] <joaopinto> Machtin, on the grub menu, "e", go to the linux line, append "init=/sbin/sulogin"
[22:06] <DasEi1> Yondering: already a graphics driver installed ?
[22:06] <joaopinto> ops, ^ Maletor
[22:06] <bp0> "the list of changes is not available yet"
[22:06] <Yondering> DasEi1, yes,  Nvidia 195 from the hardware manager
[22:06] <bp0> what causes that?
[22:06] <mininessie> Mahara: i download that one
[22:06] <nemo> meoblast001: I think it could be useful to try, if you're having problems booting
[22:07] <Maletor> what will that do for me joaopinto? i have a raid5 and lvm /dev/mapper/vg-root an /dev/mapper/vg-swap
[22:07] <nemo> meoblast001: is how I've often gotten boot CD to boot. there are other options to try too, free software only (in case nvidia driver is choking), and turning off splash and quiet so you can see what is going on and where it might freeze
[22:07] <meoblast001> ok
[22:08] <Maletor> '/dev/boot is raid 1
[22:08] <joaopinto> Maletor, oh, LVM, there are some known issues with LVM and mountall
[22:08] <meoblast001> yuck, nonfree software
[22:08] <meoblast001> they don't have that on the disc do they?
[22:08] <DasEi1> Yondering: check dmesg again :  dmesg > dmeg.txt && gedit dmesg.txt
[22:08] <joaopinto> Maletor, the error is 100% reproductible ?
[22:08] <Maletor> yes
[22:08] <Yondering> DasEi1, will do.  Want a pastebin shot?
[22:08] <DasEi1> y
[22:08] <joaopinto> Maletor, you could try to fix using a version that attempts to fix it, but you will need to use the livecd and a chroot
[22:09] <Maletor> joaopinto: that's not happening anytime soon
[22:09] <Maletor> lots of time little reward
[22:09] <joaopinto> Maletor, ah ok :\
[22:09] <Maletor> i think you know what i mean :)
[22:09] <Maletor> might as well reinstal lucid final
[22:11] <joaopinto> Maletor, well, this bug is being worked, but it needs someone to test the fix
[22:11] <Maletor> That would be me joaopinto.
[22:12] <joaopinto> Maletor, you would need to boot the livecd, chroot to the system and just install a package
[22:12] <Maletor> Ok I can do that.
[22:13] <mininessie> can i install an iso on ubuntu without burning putting it on a flash drive ect.
[22:13] <joaopinto> Maletor, you need to install mountall 2.14 from http://ppa.launchpad.net/scott/ppa/ubuntu/pool/main/m/mountall/
[22:13] <DasEi1> mininessie: y, see :
[22:13] <DasEi1> !iso
[22:14] <Maletor> I have version 2.13 now
[22:14] <Yondering> DasEi1, this time it did something new, probably because I unplugged my mouse to try to wake it up.   Anyway, http://pastebin.com/4nTHrBRP
[22:14] <DasEi1> mininessie: you won't install, but can mount it
[22:15] <Maletor> joaopinto: will 2.14 be pushed to the main repo soon enough?
[22:15] <mininessie> i don't want to burn it
[22:15] <joaopinto> Maletor, as soon some confirms that it does fix the issue
[22:15] <joaopinto> let me check for the bug nr
[22:15] <arand> mininessie: It could probably be done using a chroot-type approach...
[22:16] <mininessie> arand: how do i do it with chroot
[22:17] <DasEi1> Yondering: usb is what I mainly see on it, maybe a irq-setting (fixed irq in bios for usb) will help, but I have no idea about the particular needed driver for it
[22:17] <yofel> mininessie: why don't you just upgrade with update-manager?
[22:17] <Yondering> DasEi1, ok :)
[22:17] <mininessie> yofel: its not in the update manager
[22:17] <Yondering> I'll see what I can find.
[22:18] <yofel> mininessie: you need to run update-manager with 'update-manager -d'
[22:18] <mininessie> yofel: i did
[22:19] <yofel> mininessie: has to be there then
[22:19] <mininessie> yofel: unless i have to change my setting to get it
[22:20] <yofel> mininessie: what are you running right now again?
[22:20] <mininessie> yofel: beta 2 of ubuntu
[22:20] <yofel> !final | mininessie
[22:20] <yofel> no need to upgrade anything
[22:21] <yofel> as long as update-manager doesn't show any regular updates
[22:21] <gintonic> Cool, the bot knows everything about ubuntu
[22:21] <cheche> gintonic: maybe is part of the staff :-)
[22:21] <yofel> not everything but a lot ;)
[22:22] <cheche> it would be nice if the help command show up some information
[22:22] <yofel> !me
[22:22] <callaghan> I have a problem with my Z10 USB Speakers, in the Sound Preferences there are 2 new markers (see http://img686.imageshack.us/img686/7816/screenshotsoundpreferenz.png) and they are at very odd positions, so it is impossible to fine-tune the volume, it's either very silent or very loud. How do I change this?
[22:23] <gintonic> !help_fix_my_ati_drivers_they_were_written_by_monkeys | gintonic
[22:23] <yofel> gintonic: lol, nope, he propably doesn't know that :D
[22:23] <gintonic> Alas, no
[22:23] <cheche> yofel: I try /msg ubuntu help and it does not work.
[22:24] <cheche> yofel: I try "/msg ubuntu help" and it does not work.
[22:24]  * jmichaelx knew something was up wid da ATI drivers...
[22:24] <arand> cheche: ubottu , not ubuntu, I think...
[22:25] <yofel> cheche: not sure what's up with that, maybe ping jussi, and it's ubottu, not ubuntu
[22:25] <Ahmed\> Hello
[22:25] <cheche> arand, yofel, that was a typo, is ubottu
[22:25] <Ahmed\> Is the Lucid released ?
[22:26] <yofel> Ahmed\: see /topic
[22:26] <arand> cheche: use !help, !factoid, etc. with the exclamation mark
[22:27] <callaghan> Or is there a way to remove those "Unamplified" and "100%" markers completely, like it was in karmic?
[22:27] <Yondering> DasEi1, I think I may have wrung it out.. will see in a moment. =/
[22:27] <yofel> arand: well, help should work in a query too...
[22:27] <yofel> arand: other factoids work, but not help o.O
[22:27] <cheche> !help
[22:28] <yofel> ahhh... wait
[22:28] <gintonic> !botsnack
[22:28] <arand> yofel: I tried, it doesn't
[22:28] <cheche> arand: Other bots, you need to send privete message to the bot
[22:28] <Yondering> DasEi1, it was my usb printer :( I think I need a new cable for it.  thanks for the help.
[22:29] <cheche> aaahhhhhhhh.. got it.,, I can send a private message to the bot using !help...
[22:29] <DasEi1> Yondering: nice you figured it out, or maybe just the right cups driver
[22:29] <cheche> still, !help does not give you a clue about other commands
[22:29] <arand> cheche: ubottu is designed as a help for the channel, if you test factoids in private messages you still need top use the ! .
[22:30] <Yondering> DasEi1, I don't use the printer often :)  if it becomes an issue I'll dig into it.
[22:30] <arand> !bot > cheche
[22:30] <gintonic> Does anyone have a working hack to kill underscan in fglrx
[22:31] <joaopinto> gintonic, what's that :) ?
[22:31] <gintonic> More specifically, a working hack to kill underscan in fglrx, now that the previously working hack stopped working in lucid
[22:32] <cheche> arand: ok.. maybe it was just my previous knoledge from debian bot. it is ok for get it.
[22:32] <joaopinto> what is "underscan" and why would you want to kill it ?
[22:32] <gintonic> The ATI underscan problem causes fairly large black borders on all sides of the screen
[22:33] <joaopinto> ah, never heard about it
[22:33] <joaopinto> I don't such problem with my ATI :)
[22:33] <gintonic> Which graphics interface are you using?
[22:34] <joaopinto> LCD on the DVI port
[22:35] <gintonic> I think it only affects HDMI, and it's technically a feature. But a bug for practically any computer user
[22:35] <AnxiousNut> my uncle asked me to install ubuntu on his PS3 after 2 weeks from now,should i install 10.04 or 9.10??
[22:36] <rsk> AnxiousNut make sure he dosent patch the ps3
[22:36] <rsk> latest patch from sony disables "other OS"
[22:36] <AnxiousNut> yeah i told him that, he didnt and wont
[22:36] <AnxiousNut> but will 10.04 install without problems?
[22:37] <rsk> you won't know untill you tried
[22:37] <z0rt|work> that's awfully stingy of them to do
[22:37] <joaopinto> ps3 is PPC right ?
[22:37] <rsk> also 10.04 will be different every day for 2 weeks
[22:37] <AnxiousNut> yea
[22:37] <joaopinto> you will need to check for the PPC port
[22:37] <araujo> I am trying to cfdisk my usb drive at /dev/sdb , but it says 'medium not found' , though this works for me in other distros, any idea?
[22:37] <rsk> so it's impossible to have a good asnwear
[22:37] <joaopinto> araujo, sudo fdisk -l
[22:37] <araujo> the usb disk is evidently plugged in and all
[22:37] <cheche> arand: see #debian for exmaple
[22:37] <joaopinto> araujo, check if it's listed on the partitions
[22:38] <araujo> I am using 'sudo cfdisk /dev/sdb'
[22:38] <AnxiousNut> rsk: well i cant test stuff on his ps3, so should i go with previous releases?
[22:38] <fumbles> anybody have any luck with pcbsd in their grub2 40_custom file? from 10.04 ofc
[22:38] <araujo> partition??, I don't need its partitions
[22:38] <joaopinto> arand, uh, you can't bindly use /dev/sdsomething
[22:38] <joaopinto> you need to know the device name
[22:39] <Daijoubu> guys i just found out that in kernel 2.6.33-rc6 there is included mantis driver, will Lucid be updated to 2.6.33 at any time ?
[22:39] <joaopinto> which would be listed on fdisk -l for a known device
[22:39] <araujo> of course, /dev/sdb that is it, and it exists
[22:39] <arand> cheche: Yea, ubottu acts exactly the same in private as in channel it seems
[22:39] <rsk> Daijoubu probably not
[22:39] <duffydack> Daijoubu, install whatever kernel you want..
[22:39] <joaopinto> Daijoubu, not likely
[22:39] <arand> joaopinto: > araujo
[22:40] <duffydack> Daijoubu, http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/
[22:40] <araujo> fdisk -l is to show the partitions of the device, which evidently, shows nothing because I have not partition, I am trying to access the device man, not the partition, /dev/sdb
[22:40] <joaopinto> :P
[22:40] <Daijoubu> so Lucid will be stuck with this kernel version for all these years ? :o
[22:40] <joaopinto> araujo, ok, so you know what you are doing :P
[22:40] <araujo> it works fine in other distros
[22:40] <duffydack> Daijoubu, no, 6 months..
[22:40] <araujo> just doing "cfdisk /dev/sdb" works in other distros
[22:40] <joaopinto> Daijoubu, yes, with fixes/improvements backported
[22:40] <araujo> not here, i wonder why
[22:40] <araujo> anybody has an idea?
[22:40] <rsk> Daijoubu yep
[22:41] <joaopinto> araujo, if cfdisk does not work, it's most likely a bug on cfdisk
[22:41] <joaopinto> arand, does fdisk /dev/sdb work ?
[22:41] <araujo> well, neither cfdisk nor dd
[22:41] <rsk> duffydack um when did ubuntu versions start to upgrade their kernel every 6 months?
[22:41] <joaopinto> ops, araujo
[22:41] <Daijoubu> :( ah damn :/ ok thanks a lot .___. finally a kernel that supports my damned satellite card and it's not going to be on ubuntu ._.
[22:41] <araujo> sudo fdisk -l /dev/sdb shows nothing
[22:42] <duffydack> rsk, when they released a new distro?
[22:42] <rsk> but then it's not the same version
[22:42] <rsk> read the question :p
[22:43] <duffydack> rsk, I was responding to his comment after his question...
[22:43] <yofel> arand: and what does dmesg show when you plug it in?
[22:43] <yofel> araujo: ^
[22:43] <yofel> arand: sry, tab fail...
[22:44] <duffydack> rsk, "<Daijoubu> so Lucid will be stuck with this kernel version for all these years?"   I said no, every 6 months.
[22:44] <arand> 3 letters, irc favours the lazy :D
[22:45] <araujo> yofel, it shows with 'lsusb'
[22:45] <Daijoubu> If i update the kernel manually (which i don't know how to do lol) will i mess up everything ?
[22:45] <araujo> yofel, and dmesg shows all the info of the device, yes
[22:45] <duffydack> Daijoubu, why do you need to..
[22:45] <yofel> arand: yes, but you should find the device not that is used for the drive in the kernel log after connecting it
[22:46] <Daijoubu> duffydack that new kernel supports my satellite card :(
[22:46] <yofel> argh, why does  ar<tab> always complete arand -.-, sry
[22:46] <arand> yofel > araujo  :DD
[22:46] <araujo> yofel, dmesg shows the devices as 'sdb'
[22:47] <yofel> hm, then I don't know why it doesn't work, never used cfdisk myself though
[22:47] <duffydack> Daijoubu, so get the debs from the link I gave you and sudo dpkg -i *.deb but I advise against it.
[22:48] <joaopinto> arand, file a bug for cfdisk
[22:48] <araujo> and on internet some people seem to have had the same problem, but no solution...
[22:48] <Daijoubu> duffydack can you tell me what are the risks in short?
[22:49] <duffydack> Daijoubu, well you not being sure of stuff for one..  well you will still have the old kernel to boot to if you have problems I guess.  Upto you then...
[22:51] <ddilinger> any suggestions for getting a non-booting lucid system to  boot? was updatd from karmic to lucid a week ago and on boot it sticks.  Booting to recovery sticks, but i can alt-F1 and then alt-sysreq-k to get a console
[22:51] <ddilinger> sysreq states that it kills mountall before giving me the console
[22:52] <ddilinger> i do have access to the hard drive, currently booting an intrepid installation from another partition
[22:52] <sebsebseb> ddilinger: hrm
[22:52] <cheche> ddilinger: what message do you get when the system boots up
[22:52] <sebsebseb> ddilinger: 10.04 has actsaul data on it that you want to get hold of as well?
[22:53] <Yondering> ddilinger, do you have a usb printer or usb hub attached?
[22:53] <yofel> ddilinger: do you have any usbfs or vboxfs or LVM drives in your fstab?
[22:53] <ddilinger> when it boots up without recovery no message, just a black screen.  when booting into recovery alt-f1 is empty and alt-f7 has info from mountall about mounting drives
[22:53] <sebsebseb> ddilinger: also it's a bit sad really, but 8.10 goes end of life, no more security updates, on the 30th April
[22:53] <ddilinger> there is a usb hub internal to the case, has SD/MMC/etc. slots
[22:54] <joaopinto> ddilinger, do you have a cursor on the black screen and does it move when you press enter ?
[22:54] <ddilinger> yea, intrepid is just on here as a backup plan when things go wrong, turns out it was usefull use of 15G :)
[22:54] <ddilinger> no mouse cursor on the black scree
[22:54] <ddilinger> nothing on pressing enter either
[22:55] <yofel> ddilinger: does something happen if you press M or S ?
[22:55] <ddilinger> hmm, hadn't read about M or S, i can reboot and try that though, back in 2min
[22:55] <yofel> S should skip whatever hangs and M should give a console
[22:55] <ddilinger> kk
[22:55] <sebsebseb> ddilinger: 8.10 is a lovely great release,  one of the best versions of Ubuntu,  except when hardware such as ethernet doesn't just work,  happended on the other computer
[22:55] <yofel> ddilinger: it should tell you that in the splash
[22:55] <ddilinger> i dont get any splash screen, never got one on karmic either
[22:56] <sebsebseb> ddilinger: just curious, how are you using 8.10 as a back up plan for when things go wrong?
[22:56] <ddilinger> multiple partitions
[22:56] <yofel> ddilinger: if you  have splash disabled then the message not showing is a known bug
[22:56] <sebsebseb> ddilinger: sure you can access Linux partitions of another version of Ubuntu or distro,  but 8.10 has no Ext4 support, and the default file system for clean installs of Ubuntu is Ext4 since 9.10.
[22:57] <ddilinger> i boot 8.10 with the kernel from lucid
[22:57] <ddilinger> just by typing in the information into the grub edit command line screen
[22:57] <sebsebseb> ddilinger: oh
[22:57] <ddilinger> noticed at first i couldn't get my drives :)
[22:57] <ddilinger> ok, rebooting back in am oment after trying M and S
[22:58] <Daijoubu> i guess if i update the kernel to a newer version the Nvidia drivers from hardware drivers will not work right ?
[22:59] <DasEi1> Daijoubu: dkms should check that for you
[22:59] <Yondering> Daijoubu, it should as long as you install the newer kernel headers as well.
[22:59] <Daijoubu> sweet :D
[23:00] <rohan> anyone tried ubuntu RC? the default firefox homepage is back to google. how did that happen?
[23:02] <DASPRiD> hm, RC and you still cannot install lucid with raid 1
[23:02] <Daijoubu> Any idea why Nautilus and Disk Utility reports my Flash as 1 gb but then when i try to copy a 988mb file on it, it says not enough space 964mb free ? there is nothing on the flash ?!
[23:02] <trism> rohan: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030589.html
[23:03] <DASPRiD> i assume they won't fix the installer in 6 days?
[23:03] <rohan> trism: yep, just had a look at it.
[23:03] <duffydack> Daijoubu, what filesystem?
[23:03] <Daijoubu> duffydack, it says fat ?
[23:03] <vistakiller> rc but suspend is still not working
[23:03] <sebsebseb> trism: I was a bit slow getting link, so beat me to it
[23:03] <duffydack> Daijoubu,  1gb doesnt mean 1gig
[23:04] <DASPRiD> vistakiller, looks like many things are not working yet
[23:04] <vistakiller> the only thing here that is not working is suspend
[23:04] <vistakiller> everything else is works fine
[23:04] <vistakiller> a
[23:05] <vistakiller> and funky colors in plymouth :P
[23:05] <Daijoubu> duffydack, it says Capacity 1.014.480.896 Fat16
[23:05] <duffydack> Daijoubu, my 16gig flash is 14.95
[23:05] <ddilinger> well, the hotkeys didn't help, but the mention of usb hubs was golden.  opened up the case disconnected the usb and boots fine
[23:06] <ddilinger> so thanks for that :)
[23:07] <Daijoubu> woooow :) Formated with NTFS 962mb formated with ext4 886 mb ...
[23:07] <rohan> also the damn problem of "Starting Firefox Web Browser" always appearing is still there
[23:08] <rohan> is it going to be solved by final?
[23:08] <DASPRiD> vistakiller, ah well, if they don't fix the installer within 6 days, nobody will be able to install lucid on a raid ;)
[23:08] <joaopinto> ddilinger, there are some issues with mountall wich are random, I don't see any relation with the usb hubs and your system hanging on boot during mountall
[23:09] <duffydack> Daijoubu, 1.014.480.896 in "mb" is roughly 964...
[23:09] <duffydack> Daijoubu, and using ntfs will take more off, and will take even more off using ext (it uses 5% reserved by default)
[23:09] <Daijoubu> duffydack, why ext4 formated it goes downt to 886mb and with ntfs its 962 ?!
[23:10] <jaydee> is there someone who can help with installing ar928x driver on netoobk?
[23:10] <Daijoubu> duffydack, ok thanks :)
[23:10] <duffydack> Daijoubu, you can set reserved to 0% but it wont make it any better than the fat16
[23:10] <sebsebseb> Daijoubu:  vistakiller  10.04 will be delayed if their is a good enough reason
[23:11] <sebsebseb> oh I was meant to send that to DASPRiD
[23:11] <DASPRiD> sebsebseb, until now, the ticket is unassigned
[23:11] <DASPRiD> for over a month now
[23:11] <jaydee> i need some help here: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1460405
[23:12] <vistakiller> it works fine but only one two things dont work at all like suspend
[23:16] <Azelphur> Intermittently when I copy/paste a link, I get this weird context menu offering me to open with firefox, opera, or send link. What is this thing and how do I switch it off?
[23:16] <sburwood> how can I find out the origin of my video problems?  I'm using Lucid beta2
[23:17] <sburwood> when I do recovery mode and choose failsafe video mode, all is good
[23:17] <DasEi1> sburwood: /etc/X11/Xorg.0.log
[23:17] <DasEi1> sburwood: which video card ?
[23:18] <sburwood> I'm a newbie to this.  I've an Nvidia 5900 Ultra with AGP 4x
[23:18] <sburwood> what do I do with Xorg.0.log?
[23:18] <DASPRiD> looking at it
[23:19] <sburwood> with gedit, Openoffice, or something else?
[23:19] <DasEi1> sburwood: open with editor check for problems ;; did you look unde hardwaredrivers for that card ? I don't know for this model particular, but also nvidia offers nice propitary drivers
[23:20] <DasEi1> sburwood: gedit or such
[23:20] <sburwood> It worked.  It seems to get buggy in the past couple of days
[23:20] <sburwood> but it worked fine before that
[23:22] <DasEi1> sburwood: is that a fx model ?
[23:22] <venger> anyone else ran vbeinfo in grub2 shell and find that you can't shift-pgup to scroll back to see the whole list of modes?
[23:22] <sburwood> I don't think so.  I had to replace a 5200.  Got the 5900 off of ebay
[23:23] <sburwood> I must admit that the power supply also gave up a couple of weeks ago
[23:23] <sburwood> and I replaced it with a used one ... that works fine
[23:23] <DasEi1> http://www.nvidia.com/Download/index5.aspx?lang=en-us
[23:23] <sburwood> I can't find the file Xorg.0.log
[23:24] <DasEi1> sburwood: /var/log/Xorg.0.log  ,sry, wrong above
[23:24] <sburwood> np
[23:25] <sburwood> nVidia Corporation NV35 [GeForce FX 5900 Ultra] rev 161
[23:25] <DasEi1> sburwood: yes, get the driver from that link then, install from 'out of x'
[23:26] <sburwood> out of x??
[23:26] <DasEi1> sburwood: (don't issue now, logs you off ) ..
[23:26] <DasEi1> sburwood: ctrl+alt+F1 to get to a prompt, afterwards restart gdm or simply reboot
[23:27] <Vigo> Thank you kindly for the assistance.
[23:27] <DasEi1> sburwood: before read the link installing drivers
[23:27] <sburwood> I have downloaded the file, a thing that ends *.run
[23:27] <Misantropo> there were only one update yesterday and today: kopete. Are the updates being retained because of the RC?
[23:27] <DasEi1> sburwood: right, place on desktp
[23:27] <DasEi1> o*
[23:28] <BUGabundo> [OT] is there a way to print a gname archive thread? http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.android.devel/22524
[23:28] <DasEi1> Misantropo: freeze is set
[23:28] <yofel> DasEi1, sburwood: looking at the page it says 173, you should use the repository driver in that case
[23:28] <_Ba_> hi, I've installed 10.04 rc and my soundcard is installed too but have no sound
[23:28] <Misantropo> DasEi1, thanks
[23:28] <randomusr> does anyone know if the Raid and LVM issues have been corrected yet?
[23:28] <quuxman> hi... I'm trying to figure out how to get X11 either to NOT start at boot, or to use my .xsession. This used to be very easy to do by simply removing the usplash package
[23:28] <DasEi1> yofel : haven't looked up , is there the 195 ?
[23:29] <sburwood> I think I have the repository driver.  I have opted for Extra in the video capabilities
[23:29] <yofel> DasEi1: we have 96, 173, and 195(current) in the repository, and the driver from the nvidia site is completely unsupported and not supposed to work
[23:30] <DasEi1> yofel : good to know, sburwood, saw above ?
[23:30] <sburwood> saw what, yofel?
[23:30] <DasEi1> sburwood: the repo provides a better driver
[23:31] <sburwood> I have that driver, I think
[23:31] <sburwood> What command tells me if I'm right?
[23:31] <yofel> DasEi1: he should use 173 if he used jockey to install it, geforce 5 isn't supported by 195
[23:31] <quuxman> and I'd also like to get the standard boot screen that prints messages about what's going on... but I'm completely at a loss at how to get plymouth to do this
[23:31] <yofel> sburwood: does 'apt-cache policy nvidia-173' tell you that you have it installed?
[23:32] <DasEi1> I have no experience with the 5 series, mind to take over ?
[23:32] <DasEi1> yofel^ :)
[23:32] <yofel> well, neither do I, but let's try
[23:32] <sburwood> in admin, I have nvidia X server setings.  It tells me 173.14.22 is the driver version
[23:32] <DasEi1> got it , then
[23:32] <yofel> well, that should be fine then
[23:33] <quuxman> I removed gdm, but it's still booting X and then running a program that complains that things aren't normal and gives me the option to exit to console
[23:33] <ZykoticK9> quuxman, if you want to disable GDM use "sudo mv /etc/init/gdm.conf /etc/init/gdm.conf-disabled" -- to see under Plymouth remove "quiet splash" from /etc/default/grub
[23:33] <yofel> sburwood: did you try to reboot again? I got a failsave X prompt with nvidia too today, didn't have the time to check what went wrong though
[23:34] <quuxman> ZykoticK9: already removed "quite splash"
[23:34] <yofel> I'm using 195 though
[23:34] <quuxman> ZykoticK9: are you saying I should reinstall gdm and then move the config file? That doesn't make sense
[23:34] <yofel> quuxman: purge gdm
[23:34] <iconmefisto> quuxman: if you don't want X to start, put "text" in grub kernel line
[23:34] <ZykoticK9> quuxman, actually i started typing prior to you mentioning you'd removed GDM
[23:35] <sburwood> yofel, I don't get the failsafe prompt unless I boot in recovery mode
[23:35] <yofel> sburwood: and what do you get in the normal mode?
[23:36] <quuxman> iconmefisto: hm... I don't see a kernel line
[23:37] <sburwood> the screen light turns brown rather than green sometimes, there are vertical lines, or it just lasts minutes without setting up the desktop - after I type the password
[23:37] <iconmefisto> quuxman: where "quiet splash" was before you removed it
[23:37] <quuxman> iconmefisto: ah, thanks :)
[23:38] <DasEi1> sburwood: (don't issue now, logs you off ) ..
[23:38] <DasEi1> sburwood: ctrl+alt+F1 to get to a prompt, afterwards restart gdm or simply reboot
[23:38] <DasEi1> sburwood: ctrl+alt+F7o get back to x
[23:38] <quuxman> I'm really impressed with how fast 10.04 boots
[23:39] <quuxman> there must have been some serious boot cleaning
[23:39] <sburwood> I'll try that
[23:39] <DasEi1> sburwood: wait..
[23:39] <sburwood> brb?
[23:39] <sburwood> what?
[23:39] <z3r0-c001> does the cam work on sites without having to go to adobe
[23:39] <yofel> quuxman: the biggest effect is caused by sysvinit being replaced by upstart which can start services on boot in parallel
[23:39] <quuxman> yofel: ah cool
[23:40] <iconmefisto> yofel: don't we have upstart in karmic too?
[23:40] <DasEi1> sburwood: to get any desktop at all, can issue from command prompt : sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg     << that gives a basic config, so you can work with desk at all, (will remove nvidia for that , though)
[23:40] <DasEi1> iconmefisto: yes
[23:40] <z3r0-c001> i dont know if i wanna wait 7 days if i upgrad to the RC can i update to the final version later
[23:40] <yofel> we have, but things were tuned a bit I think and we have ureadahead too now which is supposed to makes things even faster
[23:41] <sburwood> is that the best choice?
[23:41] <DasEi1> z3r0-c001: yes
[23:41] <quuxman> iconmefisto: I was using karmic before, but it had been upgraded through 5 versions, so it was pretty broken
[23:41] <Zelozelos> anyone using advanced ccsm, and cube; when you put images in cube caps do you see them with or without the color transparency all the way up/down black/or whatever color?
[23:41] <quuxman> iconmefisto: I had started with gutsy I think
[23:41] <z3r0-c001> is the rc pretty much a finished project
[23:41] <Subby> Hi, do I need a new sources.list für Releas Candidate 10.04? Because I don't get any new updates the last days
[23:41] <DasEi1> sburwood: no, got to properly install the driver, read the installer tips from the webpage
[23:41] <Pici> Subby: We have been under final freeze.
[23:42] <Subby> Pici: that means that this is okay, not getting updates?
[23:42] <Pici> Subby: correct.
[23:42] <Subby> Pici: okay, thank you didn't know that
[23:42] <sburwood> thx
[23:42] <sburwood> bye
[23:43] <z3r0-c001> is the RC pretty stable for the most part
[23:43] <Subby> z3r0-c001: I would say yes, from my experience
[23:43] <Zelozelos> used to be that if i put the color transparency all the way down it would show the pic w/o any color added to it, AND i could change both the top and bottom, now theres only a top and transparency dosent seem 2 be working, i was wondering if its a bug ro what
[23:43] <z3r0-c001> sorry will my mic work
[23:44] <yofel> z3r0-c001: it is, but see the known issues on the release page at least
[23:44] <z3r0-c001> yofel: do you got a link to that
[23:44] <yofel> z3r0-c001: see /topic
[23:44] <Subby> z3r0-c001: I used 10.04 since the beta, and there was not even a little problem (Thinkpad T61p). everything worked out of box
[23:45] <bobby_> Not in the Alphas :P
[23:45] <Subby> don't know ;)
[23:45] <bobby_> Oh, how Alpha releases are fun :P
[23:45] <z3r0-c001> wow all im runnin is a asus netbook so i should be ok
[23:46] <Subby> z3r0-c001: I'm also runnig it on my desktop and on a netbook (samsung nc20)  also no problems
[23:46] <bobby_> I got it on my. laptop, and it is beastly... Since Alpha 2...
[23:47] <yofel> It works fine on my EeePC 1000H, haven't tested the Mic much, but the pavucontrol input level reacts if I blow against it so I guess it works
[23:50] <Daijoubu> Guys, i just installed the RC, should i first Update the new install and then install the newer Kernel, or i should first install the newer kernel and then install Updates from auto updater ?
[23:50] <bobby_> Just run the update manager
[23:50] <crimsun> install updates first
[23:50] <Daijoubu> thanks crimsun
[23:50] <bobby_> It doesn't really make a difference, but having the updates, and then the kernel would be better
[23:51] <Daijoubu> ok i will give it a go :)
[23:52] <Ahmuck> kubuntu RC is failing to boot
[23:53] <joaopinto> Ahmuck, do you get a flashing cursor which moves when you press enter ?
[23:53] <Ahmuck> nope
[23:53] <joaopinto> hum, you mean the livecd or a real install ?
[23:53] <Blue11> joaopinto: try the insert key
[23:53] <Ahmuck> real install
[23:54] <bobby_> Have you tried going into safe mode?
[23:54] <Ahmuck> install, restart, shutdown.  add memory, remove floppy drive, restart.  i then get a screen with kubuntu and 5 dots and low graphics.  dead as a doornail
[23:54] <bobby_> Or is it the kernel that is failing to boot?
[23:54] <bobby_> OH
[23:54] <joaopinto> Ahmuck, try adding "nomodeset" to the linux kernel options
[23:55] <bobby_> Wait... It may be the CD you are using...
[23:55] <joaopinto> bobby_, uh ?
[23:55] <bobby_> Have you tried the check disk option?
[23:55] <bobby_> It happens after the install right?
[23:55] <bobby_> It may be the CD, or the CD drive during the install
[23:55] <bobby_> Happened to my desktop
[23:55] <joaopinto> there are multilple problems related to boot right now, it's very unlikely to be a cd issue
[23:56] <bobby_> Well, one thing he could do is just re-burn the ISO just to be sure
[23:56] <Ahmuck> ah, yes, kubuntu logo, 5 dots, they go from white to blue, and then nothing
[23:56] <joaopinto> checking will not hurt, but it's unlikely to be  bad burm
[23:56] <joaopinto> burn
[23:56] <Ahmuck> joaopinto: don't have a clue how to do that
[23:56] <Blue11> bobby_: did you do an md5sum check?
[23:56] <joaopinto> Ahmuck, when booting press SHIFT
[23:56] <bobby_> I don't think that would work for him...
[23:57] <Ahmuck> cd?  i'm not booting from cd
[23:57] <bobby_> oh...
[23:57] <joaopinto> then, "e", go to the linux line, on the bootom add "nomodeset"
[23:57] <bobby_> Well, what are you booting from?
[23:57] <joaopinto> and ctrl-x to boot
[23:57] <bobby_> Floppy? Flash drive?
[23:57] <Damascene> how to add acpi_osi=Linux to allows be in grub?
[23:57] <Damascene> hi
[23:57] <Ahmuck> joaopinto: k, i get a grub menu
[23:57] <bobby_> Try safe mode
[23:58] <joaopinto> Ahmuck, have you tried recovery mode already ?
[23:58] <joaopinto> it is likely to hang anyway :D
[23:58] <bobby_> I'm guessing it is something with the kernel, so even safe mode might not work
[23:58] <Ahmuck> where would you like me to add nomodeset?
[23:58] <xrandr> I just installed 10.04. Now I cannot get X to use the nvidia driver. Any ideas how to remedy this?
[23:59] <Ahmuck> oh, nm, i c
[23:59] <joaopinto> bobby_, it's not related to the kernel the loads loads before the splash, please stop random guesses :)
[23:59] <bobby_> Oh, didn't know that
[23:59] <rob__761> Hello, I am using Lucid Lynx Beta 2 and experiencing problems with XMMS2. I tried to install it, got no error. But I cannot start it - it's not in the menu and when I type xmms2 in the terminal I only get a command-line version started.
[23:59] <bobby_> I thought the boot was hanging