| zeroseven0183 | Hi! Am I in the right channel to ask about the Ubuntu Manual Project? | 06:10 |
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| detrate- | Hello, I'm looking to help out with ubuntu studio documentation and I'm new to the ubuntu documentation scene, so I have some questions about the system as I talk with the team about possibilities. | 19:35 |
| detrate- | 1) is it possible to edit template files, with some sort of markup language. Comparing wiki.ubuntu.com and wiki.kubuntu.org I see that wiki.ubuntu.com has a menu but kubuntu does not | 19:36 |
| detrate- | 2) I see that a subdomain wiki.<ubuntu-flavor> can be used... I was wonder if the 'help' reference can follow suit | 19:37 |
| detrate- | i.e. so we can have wiki.ubuntustudio.org and help.ubuntustudio.org | 19:37 |
| mdke | detrate-: broadly, a project like Ubuntu Studio is free to manage its websites as it wishes, so it's no problem to set up subdomains like that. However it would be quite cool I think to develop some Ubuntu Studio documentation on help.ubuntu.com/community so that it is in the same place as Ubuntu documentation and Ubuntu users can discover it as well as Ubuntu Studio users | 20:40 |
| mdke | detrate-: wiki.ubuntu.com isn't for documentation. The site we focus on is help.ubuntu.com | 20:41 |
| mdke | detrate-: I'm not sure I understand the question about template files | 20:41 |
| detrate- | the idea behind using the subdomains, wiki.ubuntustudio.org and help.ubuntustudio.org is that some of the information I imagine will get pretty specific to packages that come standard with ubuntu studio and don't want to confuse the user more than they need to be. For a more broad package, it would make sense for the user to go to the main ubuntu wiki | 20:49 |
| detrate- | it's not just about documentation but organizing the vision and plan. There are no plans to change the way 'help' and 'wiki' are used in respect to the project | 20:50 |
| detrate- | as for the question about template files, on wiki.ubuntu.com there is a menu in the top right, "ubuntu, community, support, partners, etc." -- but not on wiki.kubuntu.org -- I was wondering if this is something we can leverage in the CMS or if this is only something available to wiki.ubuntu.com | 20:51 |
| detrate- | because it would be nice to add custom menu options to help filter information | 20:51 |
| mdke | detrate-: you could have a landing page on wiki.u.c and help.u.c/community and subpages of that, to delineate specific documentation for Ubuntu Studio | 20:54 |
| mdke | detrate-: the links in the top right are part of the wiki theme, you could certainly develop a specific theme for Ubuntu Studio if you create a separate website | 20:55 |
| detrate- | is there any documentation I can reference to get an idea of the boundaries of the system? | 20:56 |
| mdke | of what system? | 20:57 |
| detrate- | the ubuntu wiki CMS | 20:57 |
| detrate- | I see this: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/WikiGuide | 20:57 |
| detrate- | but maybe something more admin oriented? I imagine a regular user cannot modify the template | 20:57 |
| mdke | if you want to learn more about the software, you can visit the website for the software, which is http://moinmo.in/ | 20:57 |
| detrate- | okay, thank you | 20:57 |
| mdke | you can set up a "desktop" version of the software to play around with themeing and such, rather than install a full server version locally | 20:58 |
| detrate- | I already live in a LAMP environment so that's no big deal :) | 20:58 |
| mdke | as you prefer | 20:59 |
| mdke | details are here: http://moinmo.in/DesktopEdition | 20:59 |
| detrate- | thanks again | 21:00 |
| mdke | np | 21:00 |
| detrate- | so do we have access to create run plugins? | 21:03 |
| detrate- | I assume they'll have to go through QA or some sort of check | 21:03 |
| mdke | not really. But if you are thinking of creating a separate website, wouldn't you be administrating the software yourself? | 21:03 |
| detrate- | I thought it'd be running off the same core system just with a different URL as wiki.kubuntu.org does | 21:04 |
| mdke | ok, but then wouldn't you run into the same problem as you mentioned before about confusing the user? | 21:04 |
| detrate- | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuStudio | 21:05 |
| detrate- | well, not with the theme I don't think | 21:05 |
| mdke | ok, so you'd use the same wiki, but simply a different theme? | 21:05 |
| detrate- | I mean, the obvious argument here is that it works for kubuntu | 21:05 |
| detrate- | different theme, different URL, additional menu options | 21:05 |
| detrate- | is the overall goal | 21:05 |
| detrate- | aiming for a more integrated look and feel | 21:06 |
| mdke | well, depending on what you mean by "menu options", that can be managed in the theme | 21:06 |
| mdke | it's historically been very difficult for us to add plugins | 21:07 |
| detrate- | it looks like I can get what I need without a plugin http://moinmo.in/HelpOnThemes | 21:07 |
| detrate- | but it's nice to know what's available for future needs | 21:08 |
| mdke | well, in as far as plugins might be generally useful for documentation, we may well have a common interest to push for them to be added | 21:08 |
| mdke | but generally it's quite tricky | 21:08 |
| mdke | incidentally at present there is no help.kubuntu.org afaics, the separate theming is only implemented for wiki.kubuntu.org | 21:09 |
| detrate- | I'm confused about the wiki configuration in the documentation I just linked you to. I can't tell if these changes are files, entries in the CSS file or modifications to the core files. | 21:10 |
| mdke | I can point you to the code for help.ubuntu.com/community if it helps | 21:11 |
| detrate- | it might | 21:11 |
| mdke | it's here - https://code.launchpad.net/~mdke/ubuntu-docs/helpwiki-newtheme | 21:12 |
| detrate- | oh wow, someone went all out here: http://moinmo.in/ThemeMarket/Explorer?action=AttachFile&do=view&target=explorer-theme-desktop.png | 21:12 |
| mdke | i don't really understand python but I managed to knock that theme together by trial and error | 21:12 |
| detrate- | ^_^ | 21:12 |
| mdke | and just looking at other themes | 21:12 |
| mdke | gosh, that explorer theme is something | 21:13 |
| detrate- | okay, well this pretty much answered my question http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~mdke/ubuntu-docs/helpwiki-newtheme/annotate/head%3A/MoinMoin/theme/ubuntunew.py | 21:13 |
| detrate- | python is still a bit crazy for me too look at too :-P | 21:14 |
| mdke | :) | 21:14 |
| detrate- | but not as confusing as Ruby! :) | 21:15 |
| mdke | I don't know any programming languages | 21:16 |
| detrate- | PHP is probably the one I use most often... for better or for worse | 21:20 |
| mdke | I'm sure you'll pick up MoinMoin theming without difficulty | 21:20 |
| detrate- | yeah, it'll be mostly CSS changes anyway | 21:21 |
| detrate- | and some basic HTML additions | 21:21 |
| * mdke nods | 21:21 | |
| mdke | we welcome suggestions for improving the Ubuntu theme too :) | 21:22 |
| detrate- | I maybe able to help | 21:23 |
| detrate- | did you know the homepage has some random markup? off to the left? | 21:23 |
| detrate- | #ubuntulogo has bad css | 21:24 |
| detrate- | someone used 'text-indent:-300px;' | 21:24 |
| detrate- | so on a widescreen, you see 'ubuntu' floating off to the left | 21:24 |
| detrate- | there is a better way to hide this text cross-browser | 21:24 |
| detrate- | width:0; padding-left:202px; overflow:hidden; | 21:25 |
| mdke | nope, my css is very basic too, wasn't aware of that :) | 21:26 |
| detrate- | oh, that's on www.ubuntu.com http://imgur.com/kA8tn.png | 21:27 |
| detrate- | you can see the light gray text in the top left | 21:27 |
| mdke | I believe ubuntu.com is getting an overhaul for the new release | 21:27 |
| mdke | so no doubt it will be rather different in a week or two | 21:27 |
| detrate- | ahh, okay, well that's good | 21:27 |
| mdke | we will need to work on updating the wiki themes too | 21:27 |
| detrate- | as long as it's not too orange | 21:27 |
| mdke | it might be purple ;) | 21:28 |
| detrate- | okay, well let me know when that all starts coming together and I'll see how much time I have to help | 21:28 |
| mdke | detrate-: will definitely do so, thanks. If you hang around on here or the mailing list, you'll pick up on any discussions | 21:29 |
| detrate- | sure, I'll idle here | 21:29 |
| mdke | great, it isn't noisy | 21:32 |
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