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| doctormo | pleia2: Did you see the Canonical announcement about their ubuntu only sys admin training? | 20:37 |
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| pleia2 | doctormo: yep | 20:38 |
| doctormo | It's interesting to me as a course writer in the same sphere because while my course requires familarity with ubuntu at least as a desktop but no experence as an admin, Canonical's requires no "linux" experence, but some sys admin experence. | 20:38 |
| doctormo | I think some of my course materials have to go more into the basics of systems administration because of the way I've positioned it. | 20:39 |
| pleia2 | yeah, if it's anything like what was planned at the training sprint in baltimore I attended with them early last year, it really is step by step "this is how you install a mailserver (postgres)" "this is how to install a webserver (apache)" | 20:39 |
| pleia2 | so they need to know what a mailserver and webserver are and how they work, but the course teaches them specific "doing this on linux" stuff | 20:40 |
| pleia2 | honestly it's not something I'd ever need or the direction I'd go with teaching such a thing, but apparently canonical thinks there is a market | 20:41 |
| doctormo | Interesting, postgres is a database. | 20:41 |
| pleia2 | err, I meant postfix | 20:41 |
| doctormo | ah haha | 20:41 |
| doctormo | I'd go with exim4 anyway | 20:41 |
| * pleia2 been doing too much postgres this morning :) | 20:41 | |
| pleia2 | me too, but ubuntu ships with postfix | 20:41 |
| doctormo | I used to help run a very large public mail system using exim, I just liked the fact that I could write filters in perl. | 20:43 |
| pleia2 | yeah, exim's flexibility is what made us go with it | 20:44 |
| pleia2 | postfix is good enough for most things these days though | 20:44 |
| pleia2 | I can see why ubuntu diverged from debian there, it's easier too | 20:44 |
| doctormo | Mail servers and easy in the same line, heh | 20:47 |
| pleia2 | there is that, I wonder if they'll cover any spam stuff | 20:49 |
| pleia2 | simple concept, but I hate mail administration more than anything else I do as a sysadmin | 20:50 |
| doctormo | I agree, it's one of the more complex tasks, spam management especially. | 20:52 |
| doctormo | But suppose your running a mail server with multiple domains and hundreds of thousands of addresses. | 20:52 |
| doctormo | It gets a little hairy | 20:53 |
| doctormo | I think that's why that job was the last time I did systems administration | 20:54 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:54 | |
| pleia2 | I'm perfectly happy working for a small company where our biggest clients only have multi-domain support for "hundreds" of users :) | 20:55 |
| doctormo | I need to come up with some better practicals for the networking class, I did it last night and it seemed to lack the element of go that the others so far have done. | 20:56 |
| pleia2 | "the element of go"? | 20:56 |
| doctormo | To act on something, to do | 20:56 |
| doctormo | It was a lot of listening, theory and not much to do. | 20:57 |
| pleia2 | gotcha | 20:57 |
| pleia2 | if you wanna toss the draft I can see if I can make some suggestions | 20:57 |
| pleia2 | but networking is a tricky thing for practicals | 20:58 |
| doctormo | Yes indeed, although I think I might end up cleaving the networking class into two parts, east and hard (or begginner and advanced) | 20:59 |
| * pleia2 nods | 20:59 | |
| doctormo | because some details weren't even discussed last night, but they were in the documentation | 20:59 |
| pleia2 | that should be easy enough to do, I got by with very basic networking knowledge as a sysadmin for quite a while | 21:00 |
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