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[20:37] <doctormo> pleia2: Did you see the Canonical announcement about their ubuntu only sys admin training?
[20:38] <pleia2> doctormo: yep
[20:38] <doctormo> It's interesting to me as a course writer in the same sphere because while my course requires familarity with ubuntu at least as a desktop but no experence as an admin, Canonical's requires no "linux" experence, but some sys admin experence.
[20:39] <doctormo> I think some of my course materials have to go more into the basics of systems administration because of the way I've positioned it.
[20:39] <pleia2> yeah, if it's anything like what was planned at the training sprint in baltimore I attended with them early last year, it really is step by step "this is how you install a mailserver (postgres)" "this is how to install a webserver (apache)"
[20:40] <pleia2> so they need to know what a mailserver and webserver are and how they work, but the course teaches them specific "doing this on linux" stuff
[20:41] <pleia2> honestly it's not something I'd ever need or the direction I'd go with teaching such a thing, but apparently canonical thinks there is a market
[20:41] <doctormo> Interesting, postgres is a database.
[20:41] <pleia2> err, I meant postfix
[20:41] <doctormo> ah haha
[20:41] <doctormo> I'd go with exim4 anyway
[20:41]  * pleia2 been doing too much postgres this morning :)
[20:41] <pleia2> me too, but ubuntu ships with postfix
[20:43] <doctormo> I used to help run a very large public mail system using exim, I just liked the fact that I could write filters in perl.
[20:44] <pleia2> yeah, exim's flexibility is what made us go with it
[20:44] <pleia2> postfix is good enough for most things these days though
[20:44] <pleia2> I can see why ubuntu diverged from debian there, it's easier too
[20:47] <doctormo> Mail servers and easy in the same line, heh
[20:49] <pleia2> there is that, I wonder if they'll cover any spam stuff
[20:50] <pleia2> simple concept, but I hate mail administration more than anything else I do as a sysadmin
[20:52] <doctormo> I agree, it's one of the more complex tasks, spam management especially.
[20:52] <doctormo> But suppose your running a mail server with multiple domains and hundreds of thousands of addresses.
[20:53] <doctormo> It gets a little hairy
[20:54] <doctormo> I think that's why that job was the last time I did systems administration
[20:54]  * pleia2 nods
[20:55] <pleia2> I'm perfectly happy working for a small company where our biggest clients only have multi-domain support for "hundreds" of users :)
[20:56] <doctormo> I need to come up with some better practicals for the networking class, I did it last night and it seemed to lack the element of go that the others so far have done.
[20:56] <pleia2> "the element of go"?
[20:56] <doctormo> To act on something, to do
[20:57] <doctormo> It was a lot of listening, theory and not much to do.
[20:57] <pleia2> gotcha
[20:57] <pleia2> if you wanna toss the draft I can see if I can make some suggestions
[20:58] <pleia2> but networking is a tricky thing for practicals
[20:59] <doctormo> Yes indeed, although I think I might end up cleaving the networking class into two parts, east and hard (or begginner and advanced)
[20:59]  * pleia2 nods
[20:59] <doctormo> because some details weren't even discussed last night, but they were in the documentation
[21:00] <pleia2> that should be easy enough to do, I got by with very basic networking knowledge as a sysadmin for quite a while