[01:08] <godbyk> I'm back now.
[01:13] <ubuntujenkins> and i am off to bed again
[01:13] <ubuntujenkins> night
[01:14] <ubuntujenkins> in a bit....
[01:16] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: btw let me know when you want all of the screenshots ready for the release I will merge the translated ones into lp:ubuntu-manual-screenshots
[01:19] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: cool.
[01:20] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: Are the up-to-date, US English screenshots already in the the lucid-e1 branch?
[01:20] <ubuntujenkins> erm i think there is one new one that i got today
[01:21] <ubuntujenkins> ooo and i need to do one other. I will do it now brb
[01:22] <godbyk> k
[01:37] <ubuntujenkins> nice a bzr error
[01:37] <ubuntujenkins> /home/luke-jennings/Projects/lucid-e1/screenshots/en/02-quickshot-home.png
[01:37] <ubuntujenkins> Text conflict in po/pt.po
[01:37] <ubuntujenkins> Conflict adding file po/pt.po.BASE.  Moved existing file to po/pt.po.BASE.moved.
[01:37] <ubuntujenkins> Conflict adding file po/pt.po.OTHER.  Moved existing file to po/pt.po.OTHER.moved.
[01:37] <ubuntujenkins> Conflict adding file po/pt.po.THIS.  Moved existing file to po/pt.po.THIS.moved.
[01:37] <ubuntujenkins> 4 conflicts encountered.
[01:37] <ubuntujenkins> ingore the image reference
[01:39] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: fun.  run 'bzr resolve po' and then 'bzr revert po' and you should be fine.
[01:39] <godbyk> (unless you're intentionally editing the pt.po file)
[01:40] <ubuntujenkins> no I wouldn't touch them with a barge pole. don't want to upset the translatore :P
[01:40] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: ha! I don't blame you.
[01:41] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: did you get any blue print e0mails on the quickshot mailing list? I did not but then i did the blue prints
[01:42] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I don't recall seeing any, but I may not be subscribed to them.
[01:42] <godbyk> I'll look in just a sec..
[01:49] <ubuntujenkins> the English screenshots in lp:ubuntu-manual/lucid-e1 are good to go
[01:50] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: awesome -- thanks!
[01:51] <ubuntujenkins> I found the mailing list archive and there are no blue prints sent to the list. not sure why
[01:53] <ubuntujenkins> found it you have to assign it to every blue print manually
[01:54] <godbyk> hmm.. I wonder if you can assign it to receive all blueprint emails or something.
[01:54] <godbyk> how does the ubuntu-manual project do it?
[01:58] <ubuntujenkins> are it looks like they set the drafter to the team
[02:00] <ubuntujenkins> right how do i unsubscribe the mailing list from blue prints.... I can only change my settings
[02:12] <godbyk> heh.. no idea.
[02:12] <godbyk> lemme see if I can find anything useful
[02:12] <godbyk> I can subscribe the team to the Bugs.
[02:13] <ubuntujenkins> #launchpad has no suggestions/reply's . I can subscribe and remove from bugs but can't remove them from blue prints
[02:14] <godbyk> I'm apparently a team admin, too.
[02:14] <godbyk> You'd think I'd be allowed to do that sort of thing.
[02:14] <godbyk> (and maybe I am.. if only I could figure out where)
[02:14] <ubuntujenkins> yep you, dutchie, ben and i are admins
[02:15] <godbyk> s/maybe I am/maybe I can/
[02:18] <ubuntujenkins> I think finding where is half of the problem
[03:27] <ubuntujenkins> night
[04:45] <humphreybc> ello
[05:16]  * humphreybc just gave dutchie some work
[05:24] <godbyk> humphreybc: what work did you dump on dutchie now?
[05:25] <humphreybc> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+spec/gummi-with-ump
[05:25] <humphreybc> godbyk, most of the blueprints for lucid-e2 and maverick should be up now. Have a look, see if you can spot anything I've missed. I'm slowly going through and adding specific work items for each one
[05:25] <humphreybc> this cycle is going to be a lot more organized :)
[05:25] <godbyk> nice
[05:25] <godbyk> I'll take a look
[05:25] <humphreybc> (presuming everyone does what they're supposed to!)
[05:26] <godbyk> organization is usually a good thing.
[05:26] <godbyk> and if someone doesn't do what they're supposed to, then we should be able to figure it out sooner this time. :)
[05:26] <humphreybc> ya
[05:27] <godbyk> humphreybc: do you know how we can set it up so that the quickshot blueprints get emailed to the quickshot-devs mailing list?
[05:27] <humphreybc> so go through, make sure everything we want to achieve for lucid-e2 and maverick has stuff listed there
[05:27] <humphreybc> Luke asked me about that
[05:27] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins and I were trying to figure it out earlier and failed.
[05:27] <humphreybc> and I have no idea
[05:27] <humphreybc> ask in #launchpad
[05:27] <godbyk> I think he did already and didn't get a reply.
[05:27] <humphreybc> oh
[05:27] <humphreybc> i'll ask tonight then
[05:27] <godbyk> I'll leave it to him for now.
[05:27] <humphreybc> lol ok
[05:28] <humphreybc> so yeah, check to make sure everything's there
[05:28] <humphreybc> there will be stuff we've talked about but i've forgotten
[05:28] <godbyk> did you go through the list on the pad?
[05:28] <godbyk> that might be a good starting point.
[05:28] <humphreybc> the to do list?
[05:29] <godbyk> yeah.
[05:29] <godbyk> the huge todo list and the pad that you and I whipped up with notes for maverick and whatnot a while back.
[05:29] <humphreybc> nope, but i'll have a look later
[05:29] <humphreybc> i had a look at the maverick one
[05:29] <godbyk> (those pad links should be in the email you sent me last week)
[05:30] <humphreybc> but the to do list might be outdated
[05:30] <humphreybc> a lot of it was stuff we had to do for this release, before we had a clue what our goals were for maverick
[05:30] <humphreybc> here's my spec workload :P
[05:30] <humphreybc> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/~humphreybc/+specworkload
[05:31]  * humphreybc feels like he should be paid for this shit :P
[05:32] <godbyk> humphreybc: can you run through the bugs and make sure they're all assigned to appropriate milestones/releases again? I think we've had a few new bugs recently.
[05:32] <humphreybc> yeah, i'll have to do that later tonight
[05:32] <humphreybc> if nisshh comes in, get him to do it (i've already told him about it and he's looking for stuff to do)
[05:32] <godbyk> and has someone fixed up the bugs so that any bugs pre-RC have been retargeted?
[05:32] <godbyk> cool
[05:32] <humphreybc> i have to head into uni and do a lab, then i've got to get groceries and cook dinner
[05:33] <humphreybc> I've got to run through like 6 python labs this weekend and submit them before I go to Belgium
[05:33]  * humphreybc must remember he's also a full time uni student
[05:33]  * humphreybc although sometimes forgets it
[05:33] <godbyk> I just got back from my grocery shopping. :)
[05:33] <humphreybc> heh
[05:33] <humphreybc> also, take a look at ump-persona, i've started creating "work items" on the whiteboard
[05:33] <godbyk> I'm going to work on finishing all my edits to the lucid-1e-en branch so it's ready for print.
[05:33] <humphreybc> should further break it down for people
[05:34] <godbyk> I want to get it done in time to have all of you guys give it a glance and make sure I didn't do anything particularly stupid and glaringly obvious.
[05:34] <humphreybc> basically, what most Canonical projects do is set up work items, as they're completed the assignee goes into the whiteboard and marks them as done
[05:34] <humphreybc> okay
[05:34] <humphreybc> also, I need the stuff up on lulu.com by the 26th so I can buy a couple of copies and get them shipped to doctormo who's going to bring them to UDS for me
[05:34] <godbyk> aha.  so they don't create a bug for each work assignment and link it to the blueprint?  they just edit the summary of the blueprint?
[05:35] <humphreybc> they do both, if it's a bug, then they do that, if it's a feature that needs to be done, then they edit the whiteboard
[05:35] <godbyk> humphreybc: I can probably have my part done.  We need to figure out what to put on the back cover of the book, though.
[05:35] <humphreybc> we don't use the whiteboard enough
[05:35] <humphreybc> okay, get in touch with thorwil asap
[05:35] <godbyk> Get that info to thorwil so he can crank out a cover for us.
[05:35] <humphreybc> he might be in later today
[05:36] <humphreybc> he needs to know measurements
[05:36] <godbyk> I'll get him the info I have re: covers when I see him.  But we need to figure out what goes on the back.
[05:36] <humphreybc> right
[05:36] <godbyk> He asked about it a couple days ago and I forgot.
[05:36] <godbyk> Measurements I can do.
[05:36] <humphreybc> i'll think about it while i'm at the supermarket
[05:36] <godbyk> fair enough
[05:36] <humphreybc> start an etherpad, jot down some ideas
[05:36] <humphreybc> stuff that you've seen on other back covers for OS manuals
[05:37] <godbyk> 'kay.
[05:37] <humphreybc> if you can, find some images on google and link to them
[05:37] <godbyk> I'll do that in a bit.
[05:37] <godbyk> I'm going to do some more editing first.
[05:37] <humphreybc> no rush, i'll be back in about 4 hours
[05:37] <godbyk> and I'll probably update the translated builds, too.
[05:38] <humphreybc> great
[05:38] <godbyk> translators are getting antsy to see their work in progress.
[05:38] <humphreybc> i would too if i were a translator :P
[05:38] <godbyk> no doubt.
[05:38] <humphreybc> chow!
[05:38] <godbyk> see ya
[08:20] <godbyk> Hey, thorwil.  I've sicced humphreybc on working on the content for the back cover.
[08:20] <godbyk> thorwil: In the meantime, I have the dimensions for the wrap-around cover in case you want to get started:
[08:20] <godbyk> Spine width: 27.89 Postscript points wide (0.387")
[08:20] <godbyk> Cover size: 1269.89 x 810 Postscript points (17.637" x 11.250")
[08:20] <godbyk> Spine begins: 621 Postscript points from the left (8.625")
[08:21] <thorwil> godbyk: "sicced"? never saw that term before
[08:22] <godbyk> thorwil: It's usually used to as "Sic 'em, boy!" to urge a dog to attack someone.
[08:22] <thorwil> heh
[08:23] <thorwil> godbyk: should the cover parts be in one block, back-spine-front? or separate files?
[08:23] <godbyk> It should be a single PDF.
[08:24] <godbyk> Also, there's a bit of variance/fluctuation that occurs during the printing process,
[08:24] <godbyk> so don't count on the spine being positioned more precisely than, say, 2-3 mm.
[08:26] <godbyk> The cover size is slightly larger than the trim size (to allow for bleeds).
[08:26] <thorwil> godbyk: they want that file trimmed to final dimensions, not with a larger media box (or whatever the right pdf term was)?
[08:27] <thorwil> i mean, do they say anything about printing-to-the-edge?
[08:28] <godbyk> thorwil: Let me look.
[08:28] <godbyk> Here's a bit of info to keep in mind (tl;dr: keep it simple): https://support.lulu.com/View.jsp?procId=672ff3fbe3e4b5399b74a54d59fecbf3&from=Browse_e32f82affe8d4b5f82825399a6f5fabd
[08:28] <godbyk> Let me look into the printing-to-edge (bleed) specs.
[08:29] <godbyk> Oh, and the cover will be printed in color (even though the interior is black and white).
[08:30] <thorwil> don't worry, i don't use transparency or even just layered stuff
[08:31] <godbyk> thorwil: Okay, the bleed area is the outer 0.125" of the cover.
[08:31] <godbyk> So anything in that outer 1/8-inch area will be trimmed.
[08:33] <thorwil> godbyk: that's 0.125" on each of left, right, top, bottom margin?
[08:33] <godbyk> thorwil: Yes.  So 0.125" on the left will be removed, 0.125" on the right will be removed, same for top and bottom.
[08:34] <thorwil> godbyk: ok, thanks
[08:36] <godbyk> thorwil: don't include any crop marks or the like.
[08:37] <thorwil> sheesh, that's obvious
[08:37] <thorwil> ;)
[08:37] <godbyk> thorwil: and make sure that all the important text and graphics are at least 0.25" inside the trimmed page (to allow for some variance in the trimming process)
[08:37] <godbyk> thorwil: heh.. I know.. it's apparently non-obvious to a lot of lulu users, though.
[08:37] <godbyk> tons of people appear to have problems keeping up with this sort of thing.
[08:38] <godbyk> (I think they must have no idea how books are made.)
[08:38] <thorwil> sure. not everyone has 3 years professional education in the DTP area
[08:39] <godbyk> The cover width (and spine width) calculations are made assuming a 172-page book.  When I've finished tweaking some things, the page count may be slightly different, so the final dimensions may vary slightly -- but it'll only be by a few points.
[08:40] <godbyk> thorwil: You have no idea how nice it is for me to be able to have someone as clueful as you working on this thing. :-)
[08:41] <thorwil> godbyk: same :)
[08:44] <thorwil> with slightly less than 10 mm of spine and up to 3.175 offset, i wonder if i should keep the title off the spine
[08:47] <godbyk> Give me a moment and I'll take some pictures of the other book I published through lulu
[08:50] <humphreybc> hey
[08:51] <humphreybc> godbyk, thorwil, you guys talked about the back page yet? godbyk, have you got that pad?
[08:51] <thorwil> hi humphreybc! yes
[08:51] <godbyk> humphreybc: I haven't started the pad yet.
[08:51] <humphreybc> okay, fill me in
[08:51] <godbyk> humphreybc: I just gave thorwil the preliminary cover dimensions.
[08:51] <humphreybc> okay
[08:51] <humphreybc> let'
[08:52] <humphreybc> let's figure out what to put on the back
[08:52] <humphreybc> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/CCWkwXmebw
[08:56] <humphreybc> godbyk, i've added some stuff
[08:57] <godbyk> 'kay, one sec.
[08:57] <humphreybc> thorwil, are you happy designing a back cover? or do you want me to do it? (in photoshop :P )
[08:57] <humphreybc> and how are we going to translate any text on the back cover?
[08:57] <humphreybc> slash are we going to
[08:57] <humphreybc> slash let's just not have that much text
[08:58] <thorwil> humphreybc: i'll get to it soon
[08:59] <humphreybc> cool :)
[08:59] <humphreybc> thorwil, what's your day job?
[08:59] <godbyk> Here are some (horrible, horrible) photos of the other book I published through lulu: http://kevin.godby.org/private/junk/shu/
[08:59] <godbyk> Taken with my cell phone in the dark.
[08:59] <thorwil> humphreybc: really too bad i won't be at UDS. i could chain you to a chair and give you an intensive inkscape course!
[09:00]  * godbyk would pay to see that!
[09:00] <humphreybc> hahaha! that would be appreciated. You'll have to come to UDS-N
[09:00]  * humphreybc envisions something like me going NO NO NO OOOOOOOOOOO!
[09:00] <humphreybc> godbyk, "I wear socks three days a week." ???
[09:01] <humphreybc> so what do you think we do, pick some quotes from the book?
[09:01] <humphreybc> make up some reviews? :P
[09:01] <godbyk> If you nab the PDF of the book from http://kevin.godby.org/ShinyHappyUsersWithCover.pdf, and look at the last page, it'll show you what we put on the back cover.
[09:01] <godbyk> We just pulled quotes from the essays in the book and slapped 'em on the back cover.
[09:01] <humphreybc> ah ok
[09:02]  * thorwil tries to keep REM out of his head
[09:02] <humphreybc> Losing My Religion?
[09:02] <godbyk> Yeah, I think they selected a quote from a fake survey question I wrote or something.
[09:02] <humphreybc> thorwil, what's your day job?
[09:02] <humphreybc> also, thorwil, you should put your photo up on your Launchpad thing
[09:03] <godbyk> Some of us are trying to maintain our secret identities, y'know..
[09:03] <godbyk> :)
[09:03] <humphreybc> lol
[09:03] <humphreybc> is that why thorwil won't tell me what his day job is
[09:03] <humphreybc> "Secret Agent"
[09:03] <thorwil> humphreybc: theoretically i'm a freelance designer. practically i do way too much what i like instead of what i should
[09:03] <humphreybc> (maybe he's in the Gestapo :O )
[09:03] <humphreybc> hahaha
[09:03] <humphreybc> fair enough then :)
[09:06] <godbyk> thorwil: there are 246 pages in those books, so the spine is a titch wider that ours will be.
[09:07]  * humphreybc hates the gimp with a passion
[09:08] <humphreybc> WHY CAN I NOT DO A SIMPLE THING LIKE SELECT SOME TEXT TO EDIT ON A TEXT LAYER
[09:09] <thorwil> well, that's an upcoming feature, i think
[09:10] <humphreybc> oh well that's okay then
[09:10] <humphreybc> ..
[09:10] <thorwil> and yes, gimp is a bit primitive compared to PS
[09:10] <humphreybc> it's powerful, but the user interface sucks balls
[09:10] <godbyk> I was just flipping through those books. It's been quite a while. I'd forgotten how gorgeous Palatino looks in print.
[09:10] <humphreybc> now, if we could turn our attention to the etherpad
[09:11] <humphreybc> i've added the text that should go on the back cover
[09:11] <godbyk> okay, okay
[09:11] <humphreybc> it's straight from the website, should be already translated
[09:11] <humphreybc> then all we need is for dear thorwil to make it look pretty, consistent with the front cover and chuck in some nice graphics
[09:11] <godbyk> humphreybc: Dude, apostrophe, c'mon.  (You know what I'm talking about!)  :-)
[09:12] <humphreybc> also, i noticed in the latest build, (RC), the little wave circle of friends graphic down the bottom of the front page seems to be almost invisible
[09:12] <humphreybc> is that just me, or have we made a decision somewhere along the line to turn the opacity WAY down?
[09:12] <godbyk> The RC may or may not have been using the proper title page.
[09:13] <godbyk> But the CoF band is supposed to be fairly subtle.
[09:13] <humphreybc> right
[09:14] <humphreybc> it's a bit too subtle right now
[09:14] <humphreybc> on the version i have, at least
[09:14] <godbyk> humphreybc: it'd be more awesome if you could collect some choice quotes from big names in the Ubuntu community praising our book.
[09:15] <humphreybc> heh
[09:15] <humphreybc> I can do that
[09:16] <humphreybc> Mark just okayed us using the new Ubuntu logo on the back cover
[09:16] <humphreybc> godbyk, I don't know if people will want to praise it until they've read it
[09:16] <humphreybc> maybe for second edition?
[09:16] <godbyk> humphreybc: they can read the RC.. it'll be the same text.
[09:16] <humphreybc> okay
[09:17] <humphreybc> alright i'll pick some people and email them
[09:17] <godbyk> (I'm primarily just adjusting the alignment of the margin notes and fixing the occasional typographic error that I happen to notice.)
[09:17] <humphreybc> direct download link for the RC?
[09:17] <godbyk> nab it from launchpad or test.ubuntu-manual.org
[09:18] <godbyk> front page. green download buttons.  can't miss 'em.
[09:18] <godbyk> have they made any progress on the completion of the new Ubuntu typeface?
[09:19] <humphreybc> is there a proper name for the small quotes of praise that go on books?
[09:19] <humphreybc> recommendations?
[09:20] <humphreybc> I've chosen the following people to have a preview and give us a "recommendation" quote thing: Mark Shuttleworth, Jono Bacon, Elizabeth Krumbach, Matthew Paul Thomas, Jorge Castro and Alan Pope.
[09:20] <godbyk> They're called 'review quotes'.
[09:21] <godbyk> The summary/description text is called a 'blurb'.
[09:21] <thorwil> humphreybc: there will be no new ubuntu logo on the back. unless they manage to release a final SVG very soon. even then i might opt to not put it there
[09:21] <humphreybc> thorwil: i'd really, really, really like a new ubuntu logo on the back.
[09:21] <humphreybc> I can find an SVG of it for you
[09:22] <thorwil> humphreybc: no, you can't. because there is no final official one
[09:24] <godbyk> humphreybc: Also, if you're wanting to include the 'ubuntu' logogram, I think their font may clash with ours.  (We'd use theirs, but, well, they don't have one yet.)
[09:24] <humphreybc> I want the new ubuntu logo on the back cover, in a corner
[09:25] <thorwil> humphreybc: now you sound like an 8 year old
[09:25] <humphreybc> :)
[09:25]  * godbyk imagines humphreybc stomping his feet impetuously.
[09:26] <humphreybc> this here
[09:26] <humphreybc> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Brand?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=blackeubuntulogo.png
[09:26] <humphreybc> well, whatever the final one of that looks like
[09:26] <humphreybc> i'm enquiring about it now
[09:26] <godbyk> have they even settled on a particular orange yet?
[09:27] <humphreybc> I'm sure they have
[09:27] <humphreybc> the final release is only a few days away
[09:27] <godbyk> LOL.  I've lost all confidence that those alleged deadlines mean much.
[09:30] <humphreybc> godbyk, could we get this manual published and in stores?
[09:30] <godbyk> humphreybc: I'll have to look into it, but my initial answer is 'sort of'.  I know we can get it on amazon.com and some other online stores.
[09:30] <humphreybc> thorwil: "Ivanka and Iain say: It will be available by the time you wake up tomorrow, together with rules (layout etc) on how to use it"
[09:31] <godbyk> The catch is that I think we have to purchase an ISBN for it if we want it to appear in the books-in-print catalogs.
[09:31] <humphreybc> how much are ISBNs?
[09:31] <thorwil> humphreybc: ok. bob knows others and myself asked often enough
[09:32] <godbyk> humphreybc: https://support.lulu.com/View.jsp?procId=b5fe6b18b566b8e230c0a7a221b701aa
[09:34] <godbyk> humphreybc: Also, keep in mind that if you want to go that route, you'll need a new ISBN for each edition we publish.  (lucid-1e, lucid-2e, and maverick would each require separate ISBNs.)
[09:34] <humphreybc> godbyk, okay, what do you think about having the second edition or maverick in stores?
[09:35] <humphreybc> how much is an ISBN? that page just tells me how to get one, doesn't really give hard pricing
[09:37] <humphreybc> thorwil: the SVG will be up on the artwork page of the wiki by the end of today (british time)
[09:37] <godbyk> humphreybc: https://support.lulu.com/View.jsp?id=2218eeddc6a4a0cb-7d829287-1266497a20e--7c60&fromProcRevs=273e6d745460e593f323693ed07c7501
[09:37] <humphreybc> keep an eye on it, nab it as soon as it appears and incorporate it into your design :)
[09:37] <humphreybc> thanks
[09:39] <thorwil> hilarious to see a parallel discussion about the logo in ubuntu-artwork, where Iain provides less info
[09:40] <humphreybc> godbyk, seems to be mainly online stuff still. The "ExtendedReach" thing looks good
[09:40] <humphreybc> thorwil: is that going on right now? lol
[09:40] <humphreybc> godbyk (mainly coz it's free)
[09:41] <thorwil> humphreybc gets VIP treatment, apparently
[09:41] <humphreybc> :)
[09:41] <godbyk> A block of 10 ISBNs cost $245.00, 100 ISBNs cost $930, and 1000 ISBNs cost $1570.  A single ISBN costs $125.
[09:41] <thorwil> ouch
[09:42] <humphreybc> *sad face*
[09:42] <thorwil> they are made of precious fairy dust?
[09:42] <humphreybc> Can we convince some publisher to cover those costs for us if we give them the profits off the mark-up?
[09:56] <godbyk> thorwil: if you run into any questions regarding the cover stuff, let me know and I'll try to dig up answers for you.
[09:57] <thorwil> ok
[10:21] <ubuntujenkins> moring all how goes thengs?
[10:21] <ubuntujenkins> *things
[10:22] <humphreybc> sup Luke
[10:22] <humphreybc> not bad!
[10:22] <humphreybc> doing some work, killing time till Joey comes online so we can record the OMG! Ubuntu! podcast
[10:23] <ubuntujenkins> let me know when it is out
[10:24] <humphreybc> next tuesday :)
[10:25] <ubuntujenkins> do we have a feed yet? I want to get it as soon as possible :) Don't spend the whole show going ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual ubuntu manual :P
[10:27] <humphreybc> hahaha, no i won't, when i'm working for OMG! i'm working for OMG!
[10:27] <humphreybc> i'm not working for the UMP team :P
[10:28] <humphreybc> we'll be posting it on the blog, check twitter and our facebook page. We haven't set up a feed yet but that'll happen this weekend probably
[10:28] <humphreybc> it's called Ubuntuesday so it'll be released on tuesday
[10:28] <ubuntujenkins> will it be weekly?
[10:29]  * ubuntujenkins likes podcast
[10:30] <humphreybc> yep
[10:46] <ubuntujenkins> what time is the manual released again? I thought it was midnight utc but I don't think the website impiles that
[10:47] <humphreybc> is it better for your eyes to have your monitor brightness turned down, or up?
[10:48] <popey> depends on the ambient lighting
[10:48] <humphreybc> tell me more, popey
[10:49]  * humphreybc doesn't want to screw up his eyes
[10:49] <popey> heh
[10:51] <humphreybc> so i'm in a room during the day with tonnes of sunlight coming in, and at night (like now) i have a lamp near my desk shining onto my desk, and a light in the room on the roof turned on
[10:52] <humphreybc> most of the time, my two monitors (laptop and external) are on full brightness. is it better to have my monitors turned down? the drapes closed during the day? the room lights off at night?
[10:52] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, hi
[10:52] <ubuntujenkins> hello hemanth
[10:53] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, didn't get any resource yestd
[10:54] <ubuntujenkins> sorry what do you mean by resource?
[10:54] <godbyk> humphreybc: you generally want to make sure there's no glare on the monitors (from the lamp or direct sunlight).  otherwise, the brightness should be reduced when there's less ambient light in the room.
[10:54] <humphreybc> right, so less contrast?
[10:54] <godbyk> humphreybc: The short answer is, do whatever feels most comfortable to you.
[10:54] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, those session save and logoff commands issue's generic solution
[10:55] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: thats fine if we can work out the best way of detecting which desktop enviroment is in use. We can write a small file that handles it all, returning the right value to the "logout" button
[10:56] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, ok :) like a property file ?
[10:57] <ubuntujenkins> more like if desktop enviroment is .... return <instert command> and test for each envoriment. for the ones that we can't find the command we can then change the window text to ask them to log out themselves
[10:58] <hemanth> got it
[10:58] <ubuntujenkins> cool
[10:59] <humphreybc> turning down the brightness seems to help a bit
[11:00] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: is it safe to start working on the quickshot branch?
[11:00] <ubuntujenkins> sorry just excited about it all
[11:00] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: aw, crap. give me just a couple minutes.
[11:01] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: what's the branch you want the site pointed at?
[11:01] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: lp:quickshot/release
[11:02] <ubuntujenkins> the stuff in the 0.0.8 folder is the same as the stuff in lp:quickshot
[11:02] <godbyk> 'kay. let me pull the branch.
[11:04] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: I am asigning you to solve bug 567714 if thats ok
[11:04] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 567714 in quickshot "No response after login " [Low,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/567714
[11:04] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, sure :)
[11:06] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: I don't know which hemanth you are there is about 15 people with the same name
[11:07] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins,i said assigned it to me, its hemanth-hm
[11:07] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: do you listen to Shot of Jaq or the ubuntu uk podcast?
[11:07] <humphreybc> godbyk is high contrast good for the eye, or bad?
[11:08] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: thanks i have asigned it to you now thanks
[11:08] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: yes
[11:08] <humphreybc> ubuntujenkins: okay. ours will be nothing like that
[11:08] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, ok np
[11:09] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: what difference does that make? What about linux out laws do you listen to that
[11:09] <hemanth> ubuntu-manual will be having a podcast ?
[11:09] <humphreybc> nope
[11:09] <humphreybc> hemanth: nah, omgubuntu.co.uk
[11:09]  * hemanth excited :) 
[11:09] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: check screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org real quick, but I think you should be set now.
[11:09] <hemanth> oh! ok
[11:09]  * hemanth likes omgubuntu :) 
[11:10] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: appears to work here thanks
[11:10] <humphreybc> if you want to get an idea about the podcast, the full title is: "The OMG! Ubuntu! Ubuntuesday podcast for people who don't like podcasts, brought to you by people who know nothing about podcasts."
[11:10] <humphreybc> :P
[11:10] <ubuntujenkins> lol
[11:10] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: 'kay, you should be set then.  I'll leave the release version as-is (i.e., I won't set a cron-job to auto-update it unless you tell me otherwise)
[11:11] <hemanth> lol :)
[11:11] <humphreybc> godbyk, do you have SSH access to your dreamhost server?
[11:11] <popey> humphreybc: where you planning to host the mp3/ogg files?
[11:11] <humphreybc> popey, absolutely no idea
[11:11] <popey> whats the duration likely to be?
[11:11] <humphreybc> no idea
[11:11] <humphreybc> :)
[11:12] <godbyk> humphreybc: yes, I do.
[11:12] <humphreybc> anywhere between 30 minutes to an hour i think
[11:12] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: can you do a cron job please in case we have to update the dictionary
[11:12] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: do you know anything about the podcast :P
[11:12] <humphreybc> We have a rough outline of what we're going to talk about for this episode, and that's it :P
[11:12] <popey> careful not to ramble
[11:12] <popey> snoooozecast
[11:13] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: sure.
[11:13] <humphreybc> good advice
[11:13] <ubuntujenkins> thanks godbyk
[11:13]  * ubuntujenkins starts another e-mail to the quickshot list
[11:13] <hemanth> humphreybc, ubuntujenkins  you are from omgubuntu?
[11:13] <humphreybc> hemanth, ubuntujenkins isn't but I am
[11:14] <godbyk> humphreybc: re: contrast. you just want to avoid eye strain. eye strain occurs when you're changing focus from something bright (e.g., computer monitor or tv) to something dark (surrounding room), or if you're straining to see what's on the monitor/tv when there's glare on the screen.
[11:14] <hemanth> humphreybc, uber cool :)
[11:14] <humphreybc> myself and Joey are the two people behind it at the moment, but it's mainly Joey
[11:14] <godbyk> humphreybc: so, the tv/monitor brightness should be comparable to the ambient light in the room so you're pupils are going nuts. and avoid bright lights that cause glare on the screens.
[11:15] <hemanth> humphreybc, kool, i too maintain a very trivial site called www.h3manth.com
[11:15] <humphreybc> cool design!
[11:16] <hemanth> humphreybc, thanks its on drupal planing to revamp to some css design
[11:17] <hemanth> humphreybc, i'm following omgubuntu from a long time, the way the theme got changed was uber kool, the content is really awesome
[11:18] <humphreybc> heh, thanks
[11:18] <humphreybc> as I said, it's mainly Joey
[11:18] <humphreybc> I do the weekly interviews and a few posts
[11:19] <hemanth> ok :) his nick is d0od ?
[11:19] <humphreybc> yup
[11:20] <humphreybc> we've been meaning to make an "about the writers" page or something
[11:20] <humphreybc> it's on the list
[11:20] <humphreybc> complete with silly photos
[11:20] <humphreybc> be back in a sec, going to le dairy for snacks
[11:20] <hemanth> okies :)
[11:26] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: i don't know if you saw it in the mailing list but i think we will be using Epytext http://epydoc.sourceforge.net/manual-epytext.html for all our code so that it is consistant
[11:27] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, i'm getting only bug reports and wishlist, did not get any other in the ml
[11:28] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: hmm i sent it out yesterday 15.37
[11:29] <ubuntujenkins> https://lists.launchpad.net/quickshotdevs/msg00146.html and https://lists.launchpad.net/quickshotdevs/msg00150.html were the two i sent yesterday, apart form all the blue prints
[11:29] <hemanth> got it [Quickshotdevs] Standard docstring format
[11:29] <ubuntujenkins> thats good.
[11:29] <hemanth> and latex?
[11:30] <ubuntujenkins> quickshot doesn't handle any latex at the moment, only the manual
[11:30] <humphreybc> that's our thing :P
[11:31] <ubuntujenkins> godbyk: how easy is the latex to html conversion?
[11:31] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: good question. it varies based on the complexity of the document.
[11:31] <godbyk> ubuntujenkins: I haven't tried it with our doc yet.
[11:32] <hemanth> i had used latex to make my resume once hehe
[11:32] <ubuntujenkins> right, is it automated. We said quickshot would have online help but if we wrote it in latex we could convert it and have a pdf and online help
[11:32] <humphreybc> hemanth: +1
[11:32] <humphreybc> quickshot online help +1
[11:33] <hemanth> humphreybc, i thought it was like insult to latex to make simple resumes out of it
[11:33]  * humphreybc likes the fact the channel is busy again
[11:33] <humphreybc> godbyk uses latex for his grocery list
[11:34] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: we still need more people for the project so if you have a chance to plug it <<cough>> . :p
[11:34] <godbyk> heh.. nearly so.
[11:34] <godbyk> I use it for any sort of 'word processing' stuff.
[11:34] <hemanth> humphreybc, ha ha amazing :)
[11:35] <hemanth> godbyk, :)
[11:35]  * hemanth ps i love you ;)
[11:35] <godbyk> lol
[11:36]  * humphreybc is glad he's not the only one in our team getting love messages from people
[11:38]  * godbyk blushes
[11:38]  * ubuntujenkins causes more blue print mail
[11:39]  * hemanth lol ps i love you, ps as in post script, not that novel or movie :P
[11:40]  * ubuntujenkins we need more people to make a list on /me's
[11:40]  * humphreybc is wondering why the team is farting around IRC when we're 7 days away from release
[11:40] <humphreybc> :P
[11:41] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, i installed epydoc now trying out few examples
[11:43]  * humphreybc is getting a beer
[11:44] <humphreybc> ah, that's better
[11:46]  * godbyk is heading to bed.
[11:46] <godbyk> G'night, all!
[11:46] <humphreybc> night
[12:05] <humphreybc> thumper: maybe in your sprint you can tell me why launchpad is so god dang slow!!
[12:11]  * humphreybc has 43,292 karma now lol
[12:22] <semioticrobotic> 'morning everyone
[12:24] <humphreybc> morning Bryan
[12:25] <semioticrobotic> how are things, Benjamin?
[12:26] <humphreybc> good good
[12:26] <humphreybc> created a whole slew of new blueprints and whatnot
[12:26] <semioticrobotic> ah, good good
[12:26] <semioticrobotic> I'll look into it
[12:28] <semioticrobotic> wow, you certainly did
[12:28] <humphreybc> haha
[12:28] <humphreybc> see if you think anything's missing
[12:28] <semioticrobotic> okay, having a look
[12:29] <semioticrobotic> the style guide from godbyk is indispensable;  such a good idea
[12:29] <semioticrobotic> is there a public link to the newest version?
[12:29] <humphreybc> of the manual?
[12:29] <semioticrobotic> of the style guide, sorry
[12:30] <humphreybc> not sure
[12:30] <humphreybc> work hasn't really started on a proper one
[12:30] <semioticrobotic> really?  I thought I downloaded a LaTeX pdf of one a few weeks ago
[12:30] <humphreybc> you did, but it's old
[12:30] <semioticrobotic> ah
[12:30] <semioticrobotic> lol
[12:30] <semioticrobotic> okay
[12:30] <humphreybc> not sure where it is
[12:31] <semioticrobotic> just found a local copy ... yeah, it's a bit outdated (but still useful for the time being)
[12:35] <ubuntujenkins> semioticrobotic: http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf should be what you are after
[12:35] <godbyk-android> The latest copy will always be at http://files.ubuntu-manual.org/style-guide.pdf (assuming I remember to upload it).
[12:36] <godbyk-android> It doesn't get updated too often right now, though.
[12:36] <semioticrobotic> thanks to you both
[12:36] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: cool, I have to learn epydoc, I only started learning python since the quickshot project started
[12:36] <humphreybc> godbyk-android: go to bed!
[12:36] <semioticrobotic> and thanks for putting this together, godbyk-android
[12:36] <ubuntujenkins> sorry hemanth ^^^ my last post
[12:37] <semioticrobotic> okay ... just wanted to wish you all a good morning. I'm off to start the day at school.
[12:37] <semioticrobotic> o/
[12:37] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, sorry didn't get u
[12:38] <godbyk-android> I'm in bed, but then my name was invoked.
[12:39] <ubuntujenkins> in resopnse to <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, i installed epydoc now trying out few examples. my answer: cool, I have to learn epytext, I only started learning python since the quickshot
[12:39] <ubuntujenkins> project started
[12:40] <humphreybc> godbyk-android: go to sleep then!
[12:40] <hemanth> o ok, epytext is kool especially symbols :)
[12:40] <godbyk-android> Trying. Failing.
[12:45]  * humphreybc wonders if he can hit 50,000 karma this year
[12:45] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: are you an ubuntu-member?
[12:45] <humphreybc> nope
[12:46] <ubuntujenkins> are you going to apply. I want to some time just not sure how much work you need to have done
[12:46] <humphreybc> i'll probably apply after lucid
[12:47] <humphreybc> it's "sustained and visible contributions"
[12:47] <ubuntujenkins> thats so unspecific, I might wait until quickshot 1.0 is near completed.
[12:47] <humphreybc> yeah
[12:48] <humphreybc> you'll be in a good position to apply nearer maverick
[12:48] <humphreybc> i'll give you a good testimonial :)
[12:48] <ubuntujenkins> thas what i figured, lots still to learn. thanks :)
[12:54] <hemanth> humphreybc, Benjamin Humphrey ?
[12:55] <humphreybc> hemanth: ya
[12:56]  * hemanth deciphering nicks :)
[12:57] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: why is your real name "purple"? I have seen so many people with that.
[12:59]  * hemanth guesses humphreybc is on pidgin so its purple
[13:00] <ubuntujenkins> can you not change it on pidgin? seams a strange thing to have as "purple" as the default
[13:00] <hemanth> you can change it
[13:01] <hemanth> Go to the Accounts menu. Select your IRC account and click Edit Account. Click the Advanced tab. Enter a name in the Real Name field.
[13:01] <ubuntujenkins> fair enough i don't use pidgin.
[13:01] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, you on xchat?
[13:02] <ubuntujenkins> yep
[13:02] <hemanth> me too :)
[13:02] <ubuntujenkins> much nicer :)
[13:02] <hemanth> yup
[13:27] <humphreybc> does it say my real name now?
[13:27] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: no you are still purple
[13:28] <vish> humphreybc: yup.. purple
[13:28] <humphreybc> probably have to reconnect
[13:40]  * ubuntujenkins wants a wepad sooo shiny
[13:40] <hemanth> +1 to wepad :)
[13:41] <ubuntujenkins> can you download the we pad os?
[13:41] <humphreybc> naw
[13:41] <humphreybc> it's still being heavily worked on
[13:42] <ubuntujenkins> I would love to play with it and see what it looks like. Also to see how customisable it is
[13:43] <hemanth> it will first hit the uk market i blv
[13:44] <ubuntujenkins> yey \o/
[13:44] <ubuntujenkins> the uk gets something first for a change
[13:44] <humphreybc> hey what about NZ
[13:44] <humphreybc> we never ever ever get anything first
[14:10] <ubuntujenkins> hehe this is great http://www.vim.org/images/vimassistant.gif
[14:10] <ubuntujenkins> vim meets microsoft!?
[14:11] <hemanth> ha ha :)
[14:25] <ChrisWoollard> That is cool
[14:34] <nisshh> what is cool?
[14:48] <ubuntujenkins> possibly this nisshh http://www.vim.org/images/vimassistant.gif
[14:49] <ubuntujenkins> artnay: ping, are you the person doing the screenshot/tutorial making program? Or am i getting muddled up?
[14:50] <artnay> ubuntujenkins: no, I'm just "the" Finnish translator
[14:50] <ubuntujenkins> ok sorry artnay, hows the translations going?
[14:50] <artnay> unfortunately our LoCo didn't hop on the bandwagon and decided to continue to edit their own wiki manuals
[14:50] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: hehe, that is funny!
[14:50] <ubuntujenkins> artnay: thats a shame
[14:50] <artnay> ubuntujenkins: so not very well
[14:52] <ubuntujenkins> keep at it artnay
[14:52] <artnay> ubuntujenkins: I think the TeX syntax was too much for some people
[14:53] <artnay> and some people saw confrontation between help.ubuntu.com and this project
[14:53] <artnay> some even asked if this is "that non-free project"
[14:53] <ubuntujenkins> not so good then hopefully they will see how good it is when the release comes out
[14:54] <humphreybc> hmm
[14:54] <artnay> yeah, I hope so too
[14:54] <artnay> also there just wasn't enough time
[14:54] <ubuntujenkins> there is more time for the translators next release
[14:54] <humphreybc> yeah, a month more :)
[14:54] <humphreybc> haha
[14:55] <humphreybc> we're trying to make it easier for translators
[14:55] <artnay> humphreybc: good to hear
[14:55] <nisshh> how many languages do you think we will have available for this release?
[14:55] <ubuntujenkins> just looked at the translations artnay good progress
[14:55] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: I guess 1-4
[14:55] <humphreybc> nisshh: hard to say, for the actual day, maybe 3
[14:56] <humphreybc> but in a couple of months we should have a dozen
[14:56] <ubuntujenkins> german is done
[14:56] <nisshh> humphreybc: wow, ok thats not very many
[14:56] <humphreybc> really?
[14:56] <artnay> I believe people will start translating after the release
[14:56] <humphreybc> german is done?
[14:56] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: 8 tranlsations for review and that is it https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual
[14:56] <nisshh> i thought more would get finished by lucid release
[14:57] <nisshh> but apparently not
[14:57] <nisshh> looks like we might get a big flood of them for maverick though
[14:57] <humphreybc> hopefully
[14:57] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, i have made a progress in fixing that bug :)
[14:57] <artnay> btw, about the translations... website has some non-translatable sentences (for example "we have a version optimized for printing to save the trees")
[14:58] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: the greman one still needs screenshots
[14:58] <humphreybc> nisshh, get onto those german screenshots!
[14:58] <nisshh> hmmmm, how many we need?
[14:58] <humphreybc> artnay: yeah.. just use whatever you think suits in those instances
[14:58] <humphreybc> nisshh: screenshots.ubuntu-manual.org
[14:59] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: good work, you can add it to lp:quickshot if you like. we all work on the same branch.
[14:59] <artnay> humphreybc: but the thing that isn't in ubu-man-website-translations pots
[14:59] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, sure
[14:59] <ubuntujenkins> hang on there should be some german screenshots
[14:59] <artnay> I should take a good look at the site and report all those non-translatable lines
[14:59] <humphreybc> okay
[14:59] <nisshh> what is the german language code?
[15:00] <ubuntujenkins> the greman screenshots are only 3 short my bad
[15:00] <ubuntujenkins> de nisshh
[15:00] <nisshh> right
[15:00] <humphreybc> it would be nice to get spanish finished
[15:00] <humphreybc> those Galician guys are hardcore
[15:00] <nisshh> everyone happy if i do a german one or two?
[15:00] <humphreybc> nisshh: go for it
[15:01] <ubuntujenkins> yes please galician is gl and spanish is es
[15:01] <nisshh> right ill just get quickshot going then, be a little while
[15:04] <humphreybc> what does my quit message say
[15:04] <humphreybc> ?
[15:04] <ubuntujenkins> I don't know you need to quit or us to see it :P
[15:04] <humphreybc> enlighten me
[15:04] <ubuntujenkins> * humphreybc (~benjamin@122-62-0-68.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has left #ubuntu-manual
[15:04] <ubuntujenkins> * humphreybc (~benjamin@122-62-0-68.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #ubuntu-manual
[15:04] <ubuntujenkins> is all we saw
[15:04] <humphreybc> :(
[15:05] <humphreybc> i always get quit messages
[15:05] <humphreybc> (02:01:44) nisshh left the room (quit: Quit: quickshotting!).
[15:05] <humphreybc> (02:05:13) ubuntujenkins left the room (quit: Quit: bye all).
[15:06] <ubuntujenkins> I do it by typing /quit <message> on the freenode tab in xchat
[15:06] <humphreybc> i see
[15:11] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, as of now i'm checking the session and exec the required command for gnome shall i push?
[15:11] <ubuntujenkins> please do
[15:20] <hemanth> done
[15:22] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: looks good when we start to add more enviroments can we move it to a different file. like writing out own module.
[15:23] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, yes there a error in the file, fixing had commit the swp wrong file give me a min
[15:23] <nisshh> omfg
[15:23] <ubuntujenkins> ok I haven't run it so no problem
[15:23] <ubuntujenkins> what nisshh
[15:24] <nisshh> quickshot shut my computer down again
[15:24] <nisshh> only managed to get one screenshot
[15:24] <nisshh> this time it froze when i accidentally hit lock screen
[15:24] <ubuntujenkins> hmm, I still don't know why it does it
[15:24] <nisshh> then hung and shutdown
[15:25] <nisshh> can someone else try to reploduce it?
[15:25] <nisshh> then we will know for sure if its quickshot or me
[15:25] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, done
[15:25] <ubuntujenkins> are there any system logs that we can look at? I will see if i can reproduce it
[15:25] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: ok
[15:25] <nisshh> hmm let me see
[15:29] <nisshh> i cant see anything unusual in my logs
[15:29] <nisshh> quickshot authenticates fine
[15:29] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, pygnome and pykde might provide lib's to save and logout checking it out
[15:29] <nisshh> doesnt throw any errors
[15:31] <hemanth> nisshh, if you try gnome-session-save --logout from terminal is it shutting down your machine?
[15:32] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: does this effect you https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030673.html ?
[15:32] <nisshh> hemanth: i dont want to try that right now, id like to keep my machine running lol
[15:32] <hemanth> ha ha :)
[15:32]  * hemanth brb 
[15:32] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: your problem is after the point that command is run
[15:33] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: does quickshot run that command?
[15:33] <nisshh> hemanth: no that xorg bug didnt get me, but it got humphreybc
[15:33] <ubuntujenkins> yes nisshh when you click the logout button in quickshot in your normal user
[15:34] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: that was me who poested the link :)
[15:34] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: woops, lol its late!
[15:35] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: i dont get it?
[15:35] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: i don't either there is no reason why quickshot should cause it
[15:35] <nisshh> so that command is called when i click logout in that menu?
[15:35] <nisshh> but the freeze happens when i click lock screen!?
[15:36] <nisshh> far out dude, this is just strange
[15:36] <ubuntujenkins> nisshh: that command isn't relevant but run gnome-session-save --logout-dialog just incase that will give you a log out window
[15:36] <nisshh> i think if no one can reproduce this bug then it must just be me
[15:37] <ubuntujenkins> rather than loging you out
[15:37] <nisshh> ok hang on
[15:37] <ubuntujenkins> it is a strange one I will think on it but i don't see how it is being caused
[15:38] <nisshh> yea its strange because that freeze ONLY happens on my quickshot user
[15:38] <nisshh> on my normal user it doesnt...
[15:39] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: id leave it alone for now but if another user reports it then it needs investigating
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> can you delete the quickshot user and try again. and instead of running it from the icon do quickshot --debug > quickshotlog from the command line please
[15:39] <ubuntujenkins> that will give us a debug file and we can work out at what pint it is failing
[15:39] <nisshh> you want me to reproduce the bug that way?
[15:40] <nisshh> ok hang on
[15:40] <ubuntujenkins> if you can cause the bug again, that would be good thanks
[15:40] <nisshh> meh, i could but its alot of mucking around
[15:40] <nisshh> atleast 30 mins worth
[15:41] <ubuntujenkins> ok don't worry. Are you using the cd? or lucid install?
[15:41] <nisshh> lucid install
[15:41] <nisshh> which could be why
[15:42] <ubuntujenkins> very strange ok, I will shout at you if i hear of another problem like it.
[15:42] <nisshh> ok cool
[15:42] <nisshh> thanks
[15:42] <ubuntujenkins> I think the cd is more likely to give errors as we have taken so much out
[15:42] <ubuntujenkins> no problem thanks for reporting it
[15:42] <nisshh> ye!
[15:43] <nisshh> ubuntujenkins: i did get one screenshot uploaded, have you seen it?
[15:44] <ubuntujenkins> i did nisshh its fine thanks
[15:44] <nisshh> cool
[15:45] <nisshh> anyone here about the guy who got 50 years jail for guessing sarah palins yahoo password?
[15:45] <ubuntujenkins> what!
[15:48] <nisshh> no kidding ill find the link hang on
[15:52] <nisshh> here: http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5jKaG9lu3DaZkgjDbJEwUUdTVPoAwD9F6L49O0
[15:52] <nisshh> its freaking hilarious
[15:52] <nisshh> they say he "hacked" her account but all he did was guess her weak password
[15:53] <nisshh> tbh i think it serves her right for choosing such a weak password in the first place and then storing government info in the cloud!
[15:55] <ubuntujenkins> granted he probably shouldn't have tried to guess it but it does seam an excessive charge
[15:59] <nisshh> yea, you could say that!
[16:11] <nisshh> humphreybc: is there a meeting this weekend?
[16:12] <ubuntujenkins> oo if there is humphreybc i can't make it
[16:13] <nisshh> meh, be the first one i 4 weeks that ill be able to get to
[16:44] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, me on kde, now there is no error as expected, now looking for gdmflexiserver alternative in kde
[16:45] <ubuntujenkins> ok sounds good. the gdmflexiserver allows us to switch users rather than log out. we had to make it development mode only as you can only haev one instance of nm-applet running.
[16:46] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, ya saw noticed that options.development_mode
[16:48] <humphreybc> no meeting this weekend
[16:48] <ubuntujenkins> when testing from the banch you have to run quickly run  --devel as a flag otherwise it will not insert the branch in the user. also you haev to manualy launch quickshot using the same command in the quickshot folder in the home folder
[16:49]  * ubuntujenkins should make that a wiki page
[16:49] <ubuntujenkins> humphreybc: ok thanks
[16:49] <humphreybc> wtf
[16:49] <humphreybc> Google are just eating today
[16:49] <humphreybc> and it's also "Take your child to work day" at their office
[16:49] <humphreybc> http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2010/04/eating-our-way-through-earth-day.html
[16:49] <humphreybc> bloody Google, why are they so awesome
[16:51]  * ubuntujenkins wants do do a compuer degree
[16:52] <ubuntujenkins> and a typing one :)
[16:52]  * hemanth wants sponsorship for his masters ;) 
[16:54] <ubuntujenkins> don't we all
[16:54] <hemanth> ha ha :)
[16:58] <humphreybc> right, sleep time for me
[16:58] <ubuntujenkins> night humphreybc o/
[16:58] <humphreybc> g'night
[16:59] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, can u re-share the etherpad liked we were editing yesterday please
[17:00] <ubuntujenkins> http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/qsdesktopenviroments
[17:00] <hemanth> thanks :)
[18:20] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: whats up?
[18:20] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, fix committed :)
[18:21] <ubuntujenkins> ok thanks
[18:21] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, working fine with kde and gnome :)
[18:21] <hemanth> Pushed up to revision 238.
[18:22] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: thats great we still need to cover xfce at some point
[18:23] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, sure i can code that part but cant test it here :(
[18:23] <ubuntujenkins> thats fine i can install it and find out
[18:23]  * ubuntujenkins loves uni internet
[18:25] <hemanth> okies :)
[18:31] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, countdown_function is used for?
[18:32] <dutchie> counting down?
[18:33] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: when the resolution is changed the user has 15 seconds to click ok or they are logged out. Don't worry about changing that command as of yet as i am going to rewrite that. Hopefully reseting them to their orginal resolution instead
[18:33] <ubuntujenkins> due to lack of time in the last release that was the best way of doing it
[18:48] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, okies, asked cos that will bomb for non gnome
[18:49] <hemanth> dutchie, yes line number 406
[18:50] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: sure, i relised that's partly why i am rewriting it. also its a crude way of doing it the moment.
[18:51] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, o ok
[18:51] <ubuntujenkins> its in one of the blue prints some where
[19:09] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: nearly there
[19:09] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, okies
[19:10] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, after installed if you could confirm if xfce-session-save --logout is working or not i can just commit and push
[19:10] <ubuntujenkins> I will comfirm it soon hemanth
[19:11] <hemanth> thank you
[19:14] <ubuntujenkins> can we cover lubuntu as well hemanth ?
[19:14] <ubuntujenkins> (LDXE) baised
[19:15]  * ubuntujenkins goes to try xfce
[19:15] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, will check
[19:17] <ubuntujenkins2> hemanth, what was the command again please
[19:18] <ubuntujenkins2> I thought i got it right but aparently not
[19:18] <hemanth>  xfce-session-save --logout
[19:18] <ubuntujenkins2> it doesn't work. I wonder if i have installed enough
[19:21] <hemanth>  xfce-session-save
[19:22] <ubuntujenkins2> I have xfce4-session installed but nop variations on the command work
[19:24] <hemanth> xfce-session-save i'm positive about that
[19:24] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: I have it sorted
[19:25] <ubuntujenkins> hemanth: xfce4-session-logout --logout works
[19:26] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, felt so when u abruptly went offline :) bravo
[19:26] <hemanth> you still on xfce?
[19:26] <ubuntujenkins> no but i can be what else wants testing
[19:28] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, nothing its ok :)
[19:28] <ubuntujenkins> :)
[19:49]  * dutchie looks into gummi
[19:50] <ubuntujenkins> thats a sweet a gummi bear
[19:50] <dutchie> and pokes godbyk with the "use packaged latex" stick
[19:50] <dutchie> ubuntujenkins: http://gummi.midnightcoding.org/
[19:51] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: i had seen that but forgotten
[19:52] <dutchie> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+spec/gummi-with-ump
[19:54] <ubuntujenkins> nice, that looks an interesting task
[19:54] <dutchie> "interesting"
[19:55] <ubuntujenkins> no it does. quite a fun little task
[19:56] <dutchie> yeah, probably
[20:11] <hemanth> gummi :)
[20:11] <hemanth> nice name, what it means?
[20:13] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, phew Pushed up to revision 239. xfce support up
[20:14] <ubuntujenkins> thanks hemanth, have you looked at the ui design?
[20:14] <hemanth> ubuntujenkins, looked a bit of it
[20:14] <ubuntujenkins> any thoughts?
[20:15] <hemanth> few points, can we speak tomo, its already tomo here ;)
[20:15] <ubuntujenkins> ok sure thing I should be on some of tomorrow.
[20:16] <hemanth> was quickly used for it?
[20:16] <ubuntujenkins> we are a quickly project the ui is all done in glade.
[20:17] <hemanth> ok, kool
[20:21] <hemanth> cya then /me hits the bed
[20:21] <ubuntujenkins> night hemanth o/
[20:21] <hemanth> o/ Zzzz....
[20:39] <epkugelmass> I'm beginning to go through the bugs and blueprints for l-e2, and i think we need more milestones
[20:39] <dutchie> probably
[20:46]  * ubuntujenkins adds more quickshot mile stones :)
[20:49] <fenre> Is the term "Mac OS X" written in lower case for a reason?
[20:58] <thorwil> godbyk: the back cover text is full of stuff than seems pretty worthless in that context. like no cost and dozens of languages. all in one file
[20:59] <thorwil> godbyk: i'll drop the feature list entirely
[21:00] <thorwil> and *surprise*, still no sign of the final logo
[22:41] <godbyk> fenre: The "OS X" isn't in lowercase, it's in small-caps.
[22:42] <dutchie> lo godbyk
[22:42] <ubuntujenkins> hello godbyk o/
[22:42] <godbyk> The same as GNOME, KDE, any other acronyms and initialisms.
[22:42] <godbyk> Hey, guys.
[22:42] <godbyk> How goes it?
[22:42] <dutchie> not bad
[22:42] <dutchie> been a tiring couple of days
[22:42] <ubuntujenkins> not bad either
[22:42] <godbyk> dutchie: I'd love to use the LaTeX packages, but I think they may still be too old.  (I haven't looked for a few weeks, though.)
[22:43] <dutchie> godbyk: yeah, we're talking maverick though
[22:43] <godbyk> Ah, gotcha.  We'll have to see what happens to the packages then.
[22:43] <dutchie> could mean more of a pain for me if I'm packaging up gummi
[22:44] <godbyk> Gotcha.
[22:44] <dutchie> it's likely to be fairly heavily patched anyway
[22:44] <godbyk> Are we going to fork it and make our own edit or what's the thinking?
[22:44] <dutchie> not worth forking
[22:44] <dutchie> just maintain a set of patches imo
[22:45] <dutchie> have you seen the blueprint?
[22:45] <godbyk> Kind of semantics at that point, isn't it? :)
[22:45] <godbyk> I haven't looked at the blueprint yet.
[22:45] <dutchie> well, suppose
[22:45] <dutchie> https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+spec/gummi-with-ump/
[22:46] <godbyk> Wow.
[22:47] <dutchie> nice and ambitious from ben as always :)
[22:47] <godbyk> I don't know what all features Gummi has already, but we're doing some semi-advanced stuff at the moment.
[22:47] <godbyk> Makes it more fun. :)
[22:48] <godbyk> Looking at this screenshot: http://gummi.midnightcoding.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/20091012-1large.png
[22:48] <godbyk> most of those toolbar buttons could go. And we'd want to add a slew of our own.
[22:48] <godbyk> It also needs to be able to run xelatex (instead of latex or pdflatex).
[22:49] <godbyk> And it'll need to run xindy and makeglossaries, too.
[22:49] <dutchie> it'd be easier/better to just call make
[22:49] <godbyk> Well, sure. But I'm guessing it probably calls pdflatex and bibtex itself at the moment so it can snag the output and parse it.
[22:50] <godbyk> does it have any sort of auto-completion/snippets/templates type thing?
[22:50] <dutchie> no idea
[22:51] <godbyk> The features page looks a bit bleak at the moment: http://gummi.midnightcoding.org/?page_id=2
[22:51] <dutchie> wow, it compiles as you type
[22:52] <dutchie> that could be fun to get working in a sane way
[22:52] <godbyk> You might also take a look at TeXworks: http://tug.org/texworks/
[22:53] <godbyk> TeXworks uses Qt, which may be anathema, though. :)
[22:53] <dutchie> heh
[22:54] <dutchie> could be an excuse to learn Qt
[22:54] <godbyk> true.
[22:55] <godbyk> one of the coolest features is that you can click on something in the pdf and it'll take you to the point in the code that generated that bit of text.
[23:21] <ubuntujenkins> and if dutchie learns qt we can do a qt gui for quickshot :P
[23:31] <ubuntujenkins> dutchie: are you still awake?
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