[03:40] <lifestream> Could someone recommend a program, besides GIMP and Pinta, that is good for... digital painting?
[03:40] <lifestream> Photoshop is expensive:P
[03:40] <lifestream> (and sadly doesn't work with wacom, on linux, if I use layers :P)
[03:43] <lifestream> Basically use paintbrush and smudge a lot, and need layers, preferably doesn't use Mono *gag*
[03:58] <ScottL> lifestream, krita is good for digital painting i believe
[03:59] <ScottL> http://www.koffice.org/krita/
[03:59] <lifestream> Krita ? :P Hmm...:-) I'll try
[04:00] <lifestream> I also just found Alchemy, MyPaint
[04:02] <ScottL> krita is a KDE application, so it will bring in a lot of KDE libraries, which may mean something to you if you are running gnome, maybe not
[04:02] <lifestream> Using openbox
[04:03] <lifestream> But have VLC installed, so a bunch of libraries might already be installed
[04:05] <lifestream> Also found Artweaver :P Didn't know there were so many choices
[04:07] <lifestream> Oops, no Artweaver is windows.  Gee so many new choices *tries them*
[08:44] <rlameiro> good morning
[08:54] <rlameiro> hello AutoStatic
[08:54] <AutoStatic> good morning rlameiro
[12:07] <MobiusJedi> I love gmusicbrowser!
[13:19] <rlameiro> MobiusJedi: it apears a nice app
[19:18] <Kransac> Hi everyone
[19:18] <_pg_> hello!
[19:18] <Kransac> I've just installed ubuntu studio for the first time yipiii!
[19:18] <_pg_> does anyone know the upgrade path for 9.10 x64 studio to Lucid? will there be problems with the RT kernel? I hear lucid doesnt have rt kernel.
[19:19] <holstein> _pg_: i suggest trying the generic kernel
[19:19] <_pg_> holstein: how do I do that?
[19:19] <holstein> iv e heard the latency is great
[19:20] <holstein> you can always add the RT on later if necessary
[19:20] <_pg_> holstein: let me back up. why do I even want an rt kernel?
[19:20] <holstein> _pg_: low-latency
[19:20] <_pg_> holstein: is that only used in audio?
[19:20] <holstein> if your not doing audio recording
[19:20] <_pg_> holstein: or just quicker all around?
[19:20] <holstein> you probably wont need it
[19:20] <holstein> nah, not quicker
[19:20] <tucemiux> _pg_, youll probably be able to upgrade the usual way or burn the ISO and get a fresh install
[19:21] <_pg_> holstein: where do I choose what kernel? at login?
[19:21] <holstein> different priorities
[19:21] <holstein> _pg_: in lucid, the grub menu is hidden
[19:21] <holstein> check out
[19:21] <holstein> !grub2
[19:21] <holstein> you can probaly just press escape
[19:21] <holstein> and get to the grub menu
[19:21] <Kransac> I have an Edirol FA-66 audio card. Do you know how I can see if it's recognized by the system?
[19:21] <furenku> does anybody now what's gonna happen with the rt kernel in lucid?
[19:22] <furenku> since it's not being supported in ubuntu
[19:22] <holstein> BUT upgrading should be find _pg_ , and you should get the generic kernel AFAIK
[19:22] <_pg_> holstein: thanks! will try
[19:22] <holstein> furenku: the word is RT is not default
[19:22] <holstein> but in the repos
[19:22] <holstein> furenku: you should try the generic one though first
[19:23] <furenku> holstein: thanx, but i already did, and i'm getting quite a lot of xruns
[19:23] <holstein> furenku: OH
[19:23] <furenku> even with a high latency, that's why. but i'm not being able to boot into a newly installed rt kernel
[19:23] <holstein> well, try the RT one
[19:23] <holstein> did you install it?
[19:24] <holstein> linux-rt?
[19:24] <furenku> holstein, i'm trying to try it lol i'm however too blind to understand how to boot into it
[19:24] <holstein> OK
[19:24] <holstein> check out
[19:24] <furenku> holstein, i mean, i understand grub2
[19:24] <holstein> hmm
[19:24] <furenku> but any changes i make in /default/grub seem to no avail
[19:24] <holstein> you dont see the menu when you boot?
[19:24] <furenku> not at all
[19:25] <furenku> do you know how to enable that?
[19:25] <holstein> try pushing escape
[19:25] <furenku> that'd be great help
[19:25] <furenku> ok
[19:25] <holstein> when you think you should see it
[19:25] <holstein> now that i think about it
[19:25] <holstein> i have the same issue on my EEE
[19:25] <furenku> do you know any other way of enabling it other than that?
[19:25] <holstein> in lucid
[19:25] <holstein> i did what i thought would un-hide it
[19:25] <holstein> and it didnt
[19:25] <holstein> and the escape trick works for me
[19:26] <holstein> after that, i forgot it was an issue
[19:26] <holstein> furenku: we should look for a bug on launchpad
[19:26] <furenku> ok i'll retry it now, i'll come back and let you know what happened
[19:26] <furenku> holstein, thats a good idea
[19:27] <holstein> i had a couple of nasty bugs, and i just forgot about that one
[19:28] <holstein> BIAB guys...
[19:28] <furenku> what's biab btw?
[19:30] <furenku> _pg_ so, just gonna try rebooting into rt kernel, i found a tool called startupmanager that seems to help choose which kernel to boot to in grub2, i'll let ya know
[19:30] <_pg_> furenku: please do
[19:30] <_pg_> furenku: preciate it
[19:54] <furenku> _pg_: i'm now running 10.04 lucid with -rt kernel, firewire audio seems to be running ok (i'll let it playing for some minutes and see what happens -- till now no XRuns).
[19:54] <holstein> furenku: W00t
[19:54] <holstein> good news
[19:54] <furenku> holstein, yes.
[19:56] <furenku> holstein, to be able to boot into -rt kernel , you have to modify /etc/default/grub to have the following in the first line: GRUB_DEFAULT="Ubuntu, with Linux 2.6.31-10-rt"
[19:56] <furenku> changing the GRUB_DEFAULT to a number strangely did not work at all
[19:56] <_pg_> furenku: awesome blossom. Im tackling that a different day, but will come back here when I inevitably run into issues! ;-]
[19:56] <furenku> oh! forgot to say. first you have to apt-get install linux-rt
[19:56] <furenku> lol
[19:57] <_pg_> furenku: but if im not using audio production, just upgrading normally I can use the defaiut kernel with no modifying correct?
[19:57] <furenku> oh, if you're not interested in the rt kernel then there's no problems at all
[19:57] <furenku> hahha
[19:57] <holstein> _pg_ is upgrading from karmic
[19:57] <holstein> running the RT kernel right now
[19:58] <holstein> BUT i think you'll get the default lucid set-up
[19:58] <_pg_> furenku: someone led me to believe that RT>not RT like x64>x32 for just raw speed
[19:58] <_pg_> *slams face into computer*
[19:58] <_pg_> that was a nightmare
[19:58] <holstein> _pg_: that upgrade will take quite a while
[19:58] <_pg_> holstein: ok what is the syntax?
[19:59] <_pg_> holstein: sudo apt-get upgrade ubuntu-studio-desktop-x64 or something
[19:59] <helo> can I install ubunstu on a thumb drive from the dvd?
[20:00] <holstein> i use sudo apt-get update && sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[20:00] <_pg_> helo: yezzir. ubuntu startup disk creator
[20:00] <_pg_> holstein: all one loine?
[20:00] <_pg_> line*
[20:00] <holstein> but i think you can run update-manager -d or something like that
[20:01]  * holstein looks
[20:02] <helo> i have no dvd drive, so i will try to install it through virtualbox...
[20:02] <holstein> helo: ive had issues with that
[20:02] <helo> well, no blank dvd ;)
[20:02] <helo> oh... hmmm
[20:03] <holstein> using unetbootin to create a bootable ubuntustudio install USB stick
[20:03] <holstein> any iso with the alternate text installer
[20:03] <holstein> seems to fail when locating the image
[20:03] <holstein> i have a USB DVD drive, so i havent been motivated to find a work around
[20:04] <holstein> yeh _pg_ , update-manager -d
[20:04] <holstein> that will lauch the normal update manager
[20:05] <holstein> and show a distribution upgrade available
[20:05] <holstein> helo: you can install from a normal lucid live CD
[20:05] <holstein> and add the ubuntustudio meta-packages
[20:05] <helo> ahhhh, perfect... thanks :)
[20:06] <helo> will that set up jackd, qjackctl, and amsynth?
[20:06] <holstein> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Ubuntu%20Studio%20Upgrade%20from%20Ubuntu
[20:06] <holstein> helo: it will install them
[20:06] <holstein> 'set-up' is a matter of opinion ;)
[20:07] <holstein> depends on your gear really
[20:07] <holstein> helo: you dont need all the ubuntustudio packages really
[20:07] <helo> heh... i've been using jackd without -rt with passable results for practicing (just a usb 88-key midi controller that i'm learning on), but occasionally i get some clicks and pops
[20:08] <holstein> you can just install jack and whatever else you need
[20:08] <helo> on an intel atom
[20:08] <holstein> helo: COOL
[20:08] <helo> the main thing i'd like to try is a -rt kernel
[20:08] <holstein> is that a generic kernel in karmic?
[20:08] <helo> actually it's debian sid, but yes: just the generic kernel
[20:09] <holstein> you can probaly just sudo apt-get install linux-rt
[20:09] <holstein> BIAB
[20:10] <helo> it would be great if i could get my netbook to run well... my midi controller is usb powered, so it is a relatively portable setup
[20:26] <tucemiux> helo, did you install ubuntustudio on your netbook already?
[20:38] <helo> tucemiux: nope, only debian sid
[20:39] <helo> i'm going to try my thumb drive with ubuntu beta2 with linux-rt
[20:39] <helo> that should give similar results
[20:40] <tucemiux> helo, try netbook remix, goo luck!
[21:37] <atok> Hi!
[21:38] <atok> Whats with Ubuntu Studio Karmic login screen ?
[21:38] <atok> why its so ugly ?
[21:38] <atok> how can i install login screen from Hardy ?