[00:00] <joaopinto> bobby_, it is hanging, on the splash screen, which is after the kernel load :)
[00:00] <Ahmuck> joaopinto: same deal
[00:00] <bobby_> oh okay, I thought it was the kernel...
[00:00] <joaopinto> Ahmuck, tried to boot into recovery mode ?
[00:01] <xrandr> anyone?
[00:01] <ZykoticK9> rob__761, there are various front-ends to xmms2 (i never really played with it mind you, didn't like the client/server setup for a media player)
[00:01] <Ahmuck> joaopinto: nope.
[00:01] <bobby_> Well recovery mode should work
[00:01] <joaopinto> try it please
[00:02] <bobby_> Does Kubuntu use Plymouth?
[00:03] <joaopinto> afaik all flavores, it's a requirement now
[00:03] <KaiL> the way to connect to 'ubuntu one' seams to have changed in 10.04?
[00:03] <bobby_> oh, okay, just checking...
[00:03] <KaiL> because I can't find a way to trigger the "connect this PC" thing
[00:03] <xrandr> I downloaded and installed the nvidia binary driver from kpackagekit, ran nvidia-xconfig as root, and restarted the X server. it will not launch. Any ideas on how to fix this?
[00:03] <Daijoubu> Is there specific order in which i need to install the newer Kernel? Linux image, Headers, source? And what are the ones that have "2.6.33-020633_all.deb" all at the end? do i need to install them as well ?
[00:04] <Ahmuck> using failsafe option, something zips by "cannot write to failsafe ... then dumps me back to recovery menu
[00:04] <bobby_> Interesting...
[00:04] <Blue11> Daijoubu: usually handled by update manager how are you doing it?
[00:04] <rob__761> ZykoticK9: Oh, i thought it was a standalone player. Is there any player that is similar to Windows' Winamp? I don't need a library, just a temporary playlist, and an 'enqueue in list' context menu option for music files.
[00:04] <joaopinto> but you do get the recovery menu ?
[00:04] <joaopinto> do you
[00:04] <ZykoticK9> rob__761, audacious is similar to winamp, even uses old winamp themes
[00:05] <Ahmuck> joaopinto: tried it
[00:05] <Blue11> rob__761: I like guayadeque the best
[00:05] <Daijoubu> Blue11 i need kernel 2.6.33 o-o im trying to install it from http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.33/
[00:05] <joaopinto> Ahmuck, and you got a menu with several options ?
[00:05] <Ahmuck> yes
[00:05] <Ahmuck> using failsafe graphics mode, caused a loop back to the menu
[00:05] <joaopinto> did you try the netroot ?
[00:05] <Blue11> Daijoubu: can't help you then -sorry
[00:06] <joaopinto> failsafe graphics is a bad choice to start with :)
[00:06] <Blue11> Daijoubu: is there a reason you need the bleeding edge kernel?
[00:06] <Ahmuck> i'll try netroot
[00:06] <Daijoubu> Blue11 yes it supports my satellite card which i compile drivers in the last two releases and they don't work lol
[00:06] <Blue11> joaopinto: hey what's wrong with 640x480
[00:07] <Ahmuck> joaopinto: yep, got a console now
[00:07] <Blue11> Daijoubu: sattellite card?  what do you mean?
[00:07] <Daijoubu> Blue11 a card that can receive satellite tv ?
[00:08] <joaopinto> Ahmuck, ok, so is most likely a graphics driver issue
[00:08] <Blue11> Daijoubu: ah okay - sorry I only know how to backport maybe someone else can assist
[00:08] <bobby_> Agreed, what graphics card do you have?
[00:08] <Daijoubu> Blue11 thanks for trying :)
[00:08] <MykeNY516> how is ubuntu 10.04 RC? is it worth getting now, or wait till the 29th?
[00:09] <Blue11> MykeNY516: I'd wait...
[00:09] <Ahmuck> i'm using virutal box
[00:09] <joaopinto> MykeNY516, RC is for testing, if you don't want to test it, wait
[00:09] <Jordan_U> Any vmware users mind pastebining the output of "ls -l /dev/disk/by-id/" ?
[00:09] <Ahmuck> joaopinto: /me is using virtualbox
[00:09] <rujasu> hey... anyone know how to clear/disable local DNS caching in lucid?
[00:09] <bobby_> Oh... Hmmm....
[00:09] <MykeNY516> oh, so there is a bunch of bugs still?
[00:09] <joaopinto> Ahmuck, that's strange, i don't have issues using virtualbox
[00:09] <bobby_> Same
[00:09] <Jordan_U> rujasu: There is no DNS caching by default IIRC.
[00:09] <Blue11> MykeNY516: yes, they found a memory leak
[00:10] <bobby_> Oh yeah, I saw that
[00:10] <MykeNY516> ouch
[00:10] <anj> rob__761 - have you tried Audacious?
[00:10] <bobby_> I heard that there is a beta fix for it...
[00:10] <Blue11> MykeNY516: http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODE3MA
[00:10] <bobby_> Oh
[00:10] <rob__761> anj: I thought I may try a client for xmms2 first to see how that works
[00:10] <Ahmuck> version 3.1.6
[00:11] <bobby_> They just reverted to the old x.org :P
[00:11] <Blue11> bobby_: yeah I think that's the safest thing to do at this point
[00:11] <rujasu> Jordan_U - thanks, probably means there's another problem then, I'm getting random domains redirecting all over the place, on all browsers, but only on this computer.
[00:11] <bobby_> Doesn't affect me :)
[00:11] <bobby_> rujasu: what?
[00:12] <MykeNY516> yeah i have 10.04 running on the Vbox, but was going to throw it up on a real computer, not my main
[00:12] <Pelo> evening folks,  Just tried to upgrade to RC1 from 9.10 , I'm getting an error msg about a Openoffice dependency issue any work around ?
[00:12] <Pelo> upgrading from the alt cd
[00:12] <rujasu> bobby_: basically, I go to a web URL, and it interprets it wrong... like if I go to google.com/foo it will actually go to yahoo.com/foo, and there's no real patten, random domains get messed up at random times
[00:13] <bobby_> ... Strange...
[00:13] <meoblast001> is Canonical really adding nonfree software to Ubuntu?
[00:13] <joaopinto> rujasu, complain to your dns server admin :)
[00:13] <bobby_> No, just the repositories, but not the direct OS
[00:13] <Ahmuck> joaopinto: starting X from /etc/X11/./X causes a blank screen
[00:13] <bobby_> ouch
[00:13] <meoblast001> not to main repositories, right?
[00:13] <bobby_> no lol
[00:13] <Jordan_U> meoblast001: Depends on how you define software and "adding" ;)
[00:13] <bobby_> rofl
[00:13]  * Pelo has issues with mono being used 
[00:14] <meoblast001> they aren't adding NVIDIA drivers, or non-kernel firmware
[00:14] <bobby_> Nope, still need restricted extras and st00f
[00:14] <meoblast001> as i'll probably recompile my kernel anyways
[00:14] <rujasu> joaopinto - I tried setting my router to Google's DNS, and it doesn't happen on the laptop I have running Windows.
[00:14] <joaopinto> there is the partner repositories
[00:14]  * Ahmuck has issues with mono being used as well
[00:14] <meoblast001> Mono is not a problem.... the patent holders is
[00:14] <bobby_> Well, we switched to the open source nvidia drivers
[00:14] <meoblast001> Nouveau
[00:14] <bobby_> that
[00:14] <Pelo> so no one knows anything about the OOo dependency issue when upgrading ?
[00:14] <bobby_> I can never spell it right :P
[00:14] <Ahmuck> well, i'll be waiting for a week
[00:14] <bobby_> No, I have no idea
[00:15] <meoblast001> yes, i'm switching back to Ubuntu solely because it's Debian based and has an Xserver version high enough to use the unstable 3D drivers
[00:15] <joaopinto> Pelo, nope
[00:15] <Ahmuck> on kubuntu.  i've got chores to do for now ... so i'm outa here
[00:15]  * Pelo curses
[00:15] <bobby_> cya
[00:15] <bobby_> I like the Nouveau drivers better than the 195 drivers, It is more stable IMO
[00:15] <Pelo> I'll just wait for the official then , later boys
[00:15] <Pelo> and gals
[00:16] <bobby_> Hey, does anybody know a codec for playing m4ps? Or converting them to .m4a?
[00:16] <bobby_> damn
[00:16] <bobby_> GNOME froze, dang
[00:17] <bobby_> ... Help, GNOME is frozen...
[00:17] <bobby_> Okay, nvm
[00:17] <c0vert> apparently not that frozen
[00:17] <bobby_> That was weird...
[00:17] <crimsun> bobby_: the former being the encrypted ones? No. You need to QTFairUse or something to strip that.
[00:17] <bobby_> Oh, thanks
[00:18] <bobby_> No HYMM wasn't working, no download repos
[00:18] <bobby_> The site doesn't have any download links
[00:19] <bobby_> Too bad
[00:19] <bobby_> That's okay
[00:19] <bobby_> Can't wait to get the Droid Incredible
[00:19] <c0vert> bobby_, think it's possible to type on one line?
[00:19] <bobby_> Heh, no actually I cannot type on one line :P
[00:20] <vaum> my space key doesn't input a space unless i hold shift down. Only noticed this today. I've rebooted a few times, and updated but nothing. Can someone help?
[00:22] <mawst> Woooo RC!
[00:22] <bobby_> Hey... Kind of non-technical question but...
[00:22] <bobby_> How can I convince my parents to allow me to install Ubuntu on our desktop?
[00:23] <Pici> bobby_: Probably a more appropriate question for #ubuntu-offtopic
[00:23] <vaum> anyone? having a hard time typing like this
[00:23] <c0vert> by joining the offtopic channel
[00:23] <bobby_> ;0
[00:23] <bjsnider> bobby_, the answer would violate several major laws and be very politically incorrect
[00:24] <joaopinto> vaum, have you checked the accessibility options ? I know there are some options which could affect your keyboard in strange ways :)
[00:24] <bobby_> lol
[00:25] <c0vert> probably wouldn't hurt to try changing your keyboard layout, and then switching it back again
[00:25] <vaum> joaopinto, i'll look around. so far all the keyboard options are normal. maybe it was from using ibus?(not on atm)
[00:25] <vaum> c0vert, just tried that. still nothing
[00:26] <c0vert> tried a different keyboard? just to make sure
[00:26] <vaum> ok
[00:27] <nishanth> plymouth does not work during boot ... any idea to fix this
[00:27] <bobby_> Can you boot into recovery mode?
[00:28] <bobby_> If you can, then resume normal boot, log in via the console, and type "sudo apt-get remove plymouth"
[00:28] <joaopinto> bobby_, PLEASE STOP
[00:28] <mawst> aha... so it's compiz causing the memory leak
[00:28] <mawst> I might just hang out in KDE until final then
[00:28] <mawst> :D
[00:28] <joaopinto> bobby_, stop providing help when you don't know what you are talking about
[00:29] <vaum> omfg
[00:29] <vaum> !!
[00:29] <vaum> it was kupfer
[00:29] <vaum> it must have not cleared out my previous bindings when I changed them
[00:34] <nishanth_> does anyone know why you dont get the normal desktop when you boot in recovery mode?
[00:35] <DasEi1> nishanth_: it boots to another runlevel
[00:35] <DasEi1> (init 1 )
[00:36] <Daijoubu> Well i updated the Kernel and Headers and Sources to 2.6.33, and at boot i get  mounting none /dev failed or something o-o and the satellite card is not loaded :) which log file should contain this message?
[00:36] <DasEi1> Daijoubu: /var/log/syslog  , messages, kernelog in same dir
[00:37] <Daijoubu> DasEi1, thank you
[00:37] <DasEi1> !runlevel | nishanth_
[00:38] <nishanth_> well my plymouth does not work during boot up...is there a way to fix this?
[00:39] <ZykoticK9> !doesntwork | nishanth_
[00:40] <nishanth_> well it does not show the plymouth animation when i boot up
[00:41] <nishanth_> but it shows it when it shut downs
[00:42] <ZykoticK9> nishanth_, does your /etc/default/grub still include "quiet splash" on the GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT line?  Anything else of note on that line?
[00:44] <nishanth_> ZykoticK9 :GRUB_CMDLINE_LINUX_DEFAULT="quiet splash"
[00:45] <ZykoticK9> nishanth_, ya that's the default, sorry man no other ideas, good luck.
[00:45] <Daijoubu> oh well ._. back to compiling i guess :/
[00:48] <Daijoubu> Btw i sill can't drag and drop the Home folder from Places to the task bar :)
[00:48] <nishanth_> anyone has any more ideas to fix plymouth
[00:49] <falckon> So I have an issue with my intel ICH7 sound card and pulseaudio, where pulseaudio sets the PCM volume to 100% which alsamixer *thinks* gives the card 0 dB gain, but the sound is very clipped on output.
[00:50] <falckon> In 9.10 I was still able to manually adjust the PCM level with alsamixer, but now pulseaudio automatically readjusts the master volume if I try to decrease the PCM volume.
[00:50] <mysticdarkhack> hey
[00:51] <mysticdarkhack> i have to say, lucid lynx a new beginning and start...
[00:52] <mysticdarkhack> only is they revsolve the vlc transparency on the panel or possible integrate with ubuntu icon just as transmission.
[00:57] <mawst> Interesting issue here, I get a message about not being able to own a name or something regarding the starting of GDM after update to RC. Anyone know what gives?
[00:57] <mawst> I tried a dpkg-reconfigure gdm or whatever.
[00:57] <mawst> Didn't help.
[00:59] <Andy80> hello
[00:59] <thirdwatch> hello
[00:59] <DasEi1> mawst : sudo chown $User ~/.Iceauthority   ?
[00:59] <thirdwatch> i have a little problem
[00:59] <thirdwatch> Lucid Lynx / how to move close button to the right on the active window?
[00:59] <DasEi1> !controls
[00:59] <ZykoticK9> !controls | thirdwatch
[01:00] <bobby_> Hey guys, I'm having a problem with Plymouth... It was supposedly fixed, but it isn't. Plymouth splash is in text mode, and not the normal boot screen.
[01:00] <Andy80> excuse me... in beta2 release notes, there was this bug in the known issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/557429 now the bug is not written in the RC release notes, but if you check the bug on launchpad is not fixed yet! so?
[01:00] <mawst> Trying...
[01:01] <thirdwatch> thank you
[01:01] <DasEi1> np
[01:01] <thirdwatch> this was the best and fastest help i ever got
[01:02] <ritimbaks> hi, i just installed Lucid RC, it didnot installed my ati xpress200 grafic card,  i will install envyng  but it says therese no such as package in repositories.  how can i activate universe and multiverse repositories ?
[01:02] <ZykoticK9> !info envyng
[01:03] <DasEi1> ritimbaks: either by synaptic or edit /etc/apt/sources.list
[01:04] <rww> The netbook live link on http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/10.04/ doesn't work. Anyone know why?
[01:04] <DasEi1> ! info envyNG-qt > DasEi1
[01:04] <rww> ... wait, never mind, it fixed itself o.O
[01:04] <DasEi1> !info envyNG-qt > DasEi1
[01:04] <Backugan> hi
[01:05] <ZykoticK9> DasEi1, does that package exist?
[01:05] <miked595> so i upraded from 9.10 to 10.04 beta2. I dont see much difference other then a shiny new theme and wallpaper
[01:05] <DasEi1> ZykoticK9: no, new to me, too
[01:05] <Backugan> new kernel?
[01:06] <ZykoticK9> DasEi1, "apt-cache search envyng" give no results - I don't think it exists in Lucid
[01:06] <Backugan> "i upgraded and dont see anything new other than gui changes" lol.
[01:06] <miked595> heh
[01:07] <miked595> Backugan: yea new kernel but that's not a big deal heh
[01:07] <ritimbaks> ZykoticK9:  so how could i install envyng to my lucid,  or is there another way to install my grafic card module
[01:08] <mdwn> what is with the spacing difference between the speaker icons and the slider on the volume applet thing, how could anyone do that and not notice I wonder
[01:08] <ritimbaks> miked595:  what did you expect to see ?
[01:08] <miked595> Backugan: at least the only thing it broke was due to that virtualbox usb bug. after I commented that line out I was able to boot. wish I would have found the bug before hand it would have saved me some time
[01:08] <ZykoticK9> ritimbaks, sorry man i don't have an ATI so NO idea (proprietary ATI driver, has been a big problem for Lucid), not sure what the current state of it is
[01:09] <miked595> ritimbaks: I dunno awesomeness dancing on the screen :D
[01:09] <ritimbaks> ZykoticK9:  huh, so lucis sucks :)  karmic was working perfectly with my ati xpress200  card
[01:10] <ZykoticK9> ritimbaks, i'd make that claim that is it your GFX card myself.
[01:10] <ritimbaks> i hope my grafic module will be installed automaticly with stable relase
[01:11] <miked595> ritimbaks: blame Canada
[01:11] <DasEi1> ritimbaks: same here, you might try to install the ati driver, so we all are more experienced
[01:11] <ZykoticK9> ritimbaks, the bug 494699 deals with the ATI driver - might have some insights
[01:13] <Backugan> will ati drivers support eyefinity + crossfire?
[01:13] <ZykoticK9> miked595, HEY this isn't South Park - Don't Blame Canada :)  - obviously i'm a Canuck
[01:13] <ritimbaks> ZykoticK9:  while installing i got a few errors like  494600 to 494699
[01:13] <DasEi1> Backugan: if they compile on current xorg yes
[01:13] <miked595> ZykoticK9: you are not Ginger as well?
[01:13] <ZykoticK9> miked595, Ginger?  don't get it.
[01:14] <miked595> it was on South Park too. ginger is a person with red hair. Cartman claims they have no soul, ZykoticK9
[01:14] <ZykoticK9> miked595, ahhh - guess I don't watch SP enough ;)
[01:16] <miked595> even in Lucid Google Chrome is faster then Firefox
[01:16] <ritimbaks> im downloading from ati's driverpage, ATI Catalyst™ 9.3 Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver ,  i will try to install this to lucid, i hope it is going to work,  what do you think ?
[01:17] <DasEi1> ritimbaks: interested in it, though full of doubt ; install linux-headers and build-essential before, too
[01:18] <DasEi1> ritimbaks: I recently tried on another ati which their site said the xorg is supported -- no way
[01:18] <Volkodav> they finally finished gparted
[01:18] <ritimbaks> the file ext is .run , does it mean double click to install?  :)
[01:19] <Volkodav> ATI just sucks]
[01:19] <Azelphur> Every time I select a link in lucid, this really annoying menu pops up stealing focus and generally getting in the way, anyone know how to disable it?
[01:19] <DasEi1> ritimbaks: no, you make it executable an call it by sudo sh atiblah.run
[01:20] <ritimbaks> DasEi1:  ok, thanks. i'll try
[01:20] <DasEi1> ritimbaks: sudo chmod +x atiblah.run
[01:20] <DasEi1> ritimbaks: install linux-headers and build-essential before, too
[01:20] <ritimbaks> DasEi1: i got it =)
[01:20] <DasEi1> 8-)
[01:21] <MGMTM3> are the 10.3 ATI drivers still causing greif?
[01:22] <ritimbaks> MGMTM3: i've no idea cause my grafic card (x200) is not supported by 10.3
[01:22] <ritimbaks> it is an old one, x200 sucks :)
[01:23] <MGMTM3> I have a 4890 and with beta 2 the 10-3 drivers completely messed my graphics up
[01:24] <MGMTM3> ritimbaks it might be time for an upgrade :)
[01:24] <ZykoticK9> ritimbaks, MGMTM3 Lucid appears to HEAVILY favour Nvidia cards - Nouveau and multiple Proprietary drivers
[01:25] <vaum> there's only 1 proprietary, only different version right?
[01:25] <ZykoticK9> vaum, correct
[01:25] <ritimbaks> DasEi1: there are many linux-headers, which did you mean :)
[01:26] <DasEi1> ritimbaks: uname -r
[01:26] <MGMTM3> zykotick9 I wonder if this will be a ongoing problem or something that ATI will play catch up eventually
[01:26] <ZykoticK9> MGMTM3, only ATI/AMD could answer that
[01:26] <DasEi1> ritimbaks: linuxheaders$(uname -r)
[01:26] <MGMTM3> zykotick9 true, just frustrating for now
[01:27] <DasEi1> it's been said atis work on suse with newer xorgs
[01:27] <Blue11> how do I take my sound card out of Battlestar Galactica Mode (it sounds like the Cylons?)
[01:28] <Jordan_U> Blue11: Try turning down the volume, it may require turning down a specific channel with "alsamixer -c 0"
[01:28] <iconmefisto> sudo service cyclons stop
[01:28] <Blue11> iconmefisto: thanks
[01:28] <ZykoticK9> iconmefisto, that made me laugh :)
[01:29] <vaum> ritimbaks, it's linux-headers-$(uname -r) if you're having a hard time finding it (was missing the '-')
[01:29] <iWolf> Rebooting, brb
[01:30] <pakete> hi all
[01:30] <miked595> hi
[01:30] <ritimbaks> linux-headers-2.6.32-21-generic is already the newest version.
[01:30] <ZykoticK9> pakete, Lucid uses Plymouth which was not in Karmic
[01:30] <ritimbaks> linux-headers-2.6.32-21-generic set to manually installed.
[01:30] <ritimbaks> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 64 not upgraded.
[01:31] <pakete> ok
[01:31] <pakete> so
[01:31] <vaum> ritimbaks, what are you trying to install?
[01:31] <pakete> is there a point to install all 400MB updates then?
[01:32] <iconmefisto> ritimbaks: you have 64 upgrades waiting
[01:32] <pakete> so how do i make normal boot in lucid netboot
[01:32] <pakete> netbook* sry
[01:32] <pakete> ????????????????
[01:33] <ritimbaks> vaum: i will install ATI Catalyst™ 9.3 Proprietary Linux x86 Display Driver  and  DasEi1 told me i have to install linux-headers and build-essential before
[01:34] <meoblast001> why were the buttons moved?
[01:34] <meoblast001> for the windows?
[01:34] <miked595> pakete: try getting to the grub boot menu. ZykoticK9 mentioned holding down shift during boot in the other channel. Once there you can try to use the recovery option. it might get you up or show you a useful error
[01:34] <meoblast001> i moved them back in gconf-editor
[01:34] <meoblast001> but i think it's a very confusing setup
[01:34] <vaum> ritimbaks, oh ok. if you are using their script, there is a recommended way of installing (i.e not just running the script)
[01:35] <vaum> logging into a terminal, killing gdm, then running the script is a safe way to go
[01:35] <miked595> also pakete did you have virtual box install in the previous version?
[01:35] <ZykoticK9> meoblast001, it was a design decision -- it's an issue that has been "beaten to death" in this channel - just accept that you can move them if you don't like them
[01:35] <ritimbaks> meoblast001:  buttons on the left side is more easy to click with mouse, i think thats why ther all were moved
[01:35] <pakete> IS LUCID RELEASING IN 6 DAYS?
[01:35] <meoblast001> ah, ok, thanks
[01:36] <meoblast001> don't understand why, but i'll accept it
[01:36] <ZykoticK9> pakete, 7 days i believe
[01:36] <ZykoticK9> pakete, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/LucidLynxSchedule
[01:36] <DasEi1> pakete: yep, and no caps please
[01:36] <DasEi1> !lucid
[01:37] <ZykoticK9> meoblast001, don't get me wrong - i'm not a fan either, the !control links to my site to move them back
[01:38] <meoblast001> how long has the restricted drivers manager got up in people's fact about "hey, you can get proprietary drivers, just click me"
[01:38] <pakete> ok
[01:38] <pakete> what about karmic koala
[01:38] <pakete> ?
[01:38] <pakete> is it not released?
[01:39] <pakete> like in terms of coming out
[01:39] <ZykoticK9> pakete, it was release on 9.10
[01:39] <pakete> not being re-leased
[01:39] <vaum> the buttons are easily moved with a quick gconf fix (or ubuntu tweak) :)
[01:39] <iconmefisto> pakete: that's last october. 09-10
[01:40] <ritimbaks> after chmod i typed sh atiblah.run  but it said Error: ./default_policy.sh does not support version
[01:40] <ritimbaks> default:v2:i686:lib::none:2.6.32-21-generic; make sure that the version is being
[01:40] <ritimbaks> correctly set by --iscurrentdistro
[01:42] <ritimbaks> i wonder why they removed envyng from repos, or what did come instead
[01:43] <Viper1432> ritimbaks, that stuff was replaced with jockey.  Alberto Milan (who wrote envyng) is in charge of jockey.
[01:44] <Viper1432> (or at least lead for nvidia/ati driver installation).
[01:45] <ritimbaks> Viper1432: it is already installed to my system by default, how could i run it
[01:45] <ritimbaks> Viper1432:  or why did it recognise  vgamy
[01:45] <ritimbaks> Viper1432:  or why did it recognise  my vga *
[01:45] <Viper1432> what is already installed by default? envyng?
[01:46] <ritimbaks> bo, jockey
[01:46] <Viper1432> jockey isn't actually an "app".  its the framework underneath the restricted drivers applcation (in system/admin iirc) for installing non free drivers.
[01:47] <vaum> oo nice to know :)
[01:47] <ritimbaks> ok i got it, i typed jockey-gtk to consol and HardwareDrivers application started
[01:47] <Viper1432> working properly, jockey will detect the video card you are using, and offer the proper and latest 'stable' drivers for it.
[01:48] <ritimbaks> Viper1432:  but it didnot
[01:48] <Viper1432> ritimbaks,  lemme guess...ati?
[01:48] <ritimbaks> Viper1432:  yepp :)
[01:49] <akio> Is there an option to disable raid partitioning in Ubiquity?
[01:49] <Viper1432> sigh.  I can't help out mate....I only deal with nvidia.  ati gets nowhere near ANY of my hardware save an old lappie that has em' integrated.  :(
[01:49] <pakete> ok i installed linux headers, what now???
[01:49] <ritimbaks> But it's not a big problem, i know it will be fixed with stable relase  :D
[01:49] <akio> I have a raid chip on the mobo and it seems as if I have no option to not use raid.
[01:50] <akio> Maybe a grub option?
[01:50] <adelcampo> does apt install the 64bit flash plugin or does it use a wrapper?
[01:50] <ZykoticK9> adelcampo, wrapper for 32bit
[01:50] <Viper1432> not completely sure that will be the case ritimbaks.  I've been doing QA for nvidia drivers for lucid, and there are still 'booms' with the ati stuff from the bug reports I've read.  (cards not getting detected and such.)
[01:51] <pakete> boot splash is still not present
[01:51] <adelcampo> zykotick9: thanks, I'm assuming it's a better idea to  install the 64bit by hand?
[01:51] <pakete> what does it have to do with headers anyway?
[01:51] <ritimbaks> Viper1432:  but it doesnt make sense, in karmic my ati card works perfectly and it is installed by default
[01:51] <ZykoticK9> adelcampo, i've never bothered with 64bit flash myself.. so don't know - certainly if you want it, you need to manual install
[01:52] <ritimbaks> Viper1432:  so i will go on with karmic :)  i love it
[01:52] <fox-m> karmic doesnt have support for VPN
[01:52] <Viper1432> nods at ritimbaks.  stepping away for mooooar coffee.
[01:53] <fox-m> i like it also...but pptp is not applicable
[01:53] <fox-m> karmic koala is like total failure when trying to make nm work
[01:53] <fox-m> with vpn...
[01:54] <ritimbaks> fox-m:  i never work with vpn so i've no idea =)
[01:57] <fox-m> yeah...moreover...koala get thru to epiphany in lynx too...which is not possible! minor tag but still visible problem =))) lol
[01:57] <fox-m> gets*
[01:57] <fox-m> this...whatever it is...koala crap...i mean
[01:58] <ritimbaks> so good night all
[01:58] <ritimbaks> thank you
[01:58] <mawst> Ugh man I hate how KDE uglies up Gnomes fonts after installing.
[01:58] <fox-m> i spent 2 night trying to make vpn work in koala
[01:58] <fox-m> pptp to be certain
[01:58] <fox-m> it doens't work
[02:00] <fox-m> lucid is fine...but boot splash just annoyingly fails...
[02:00] <vaum> and the low res bootsplash after installing nvidia drivers :p
[02:04] <federico> hi, i have a problem with the ram, i just installed 2gb more to make 4gb total, but ubuntu only recognizes 3.2gb
[02:04] <federico> ¿is this a bug?
[02:04] <genii> 32 bit
[02:04] <fox-m> true
[02:04] <federico> I'm using 64bits by the way
[02:04] <fox-m> oh! just found
[02:04] <fox-m> no special effects either
[02:05] <fox-m> running with no effects
[02:05] <federico> but i'm running ubuntu 64bits
[02:05] <vaum> i have 4GB and 3.9GB is recognized for me
[02:06] <genii> federico: What says result of uname -m    ?
[02:06] <vaum> 680MB used :O
[02:06] <federico> x86_64
[02:06] <vaum> maybe it's just the quality of the ram? my laptop has 4GB and it only registers as 3.4GB (i think)
[02:07] <genii> federico: Does the motherboard bios see all 4 ?
[02:07] <federico> yes
[02:07] <federico> i just cheked that
[02:07] <federico> wow, sorry for my english
[02:08] <iconmefisto> is there a facebook plugin for kopete in lucid?
[02:09] <federico> so I don't know what can be wrong, the bios says 4096mb, then ubuntu only gets 3.2gb
[02:09] <federico> and i know i'm using 64bits
[02:09] <ZykoticK9> iconmefisto, if Kopete is an IM client FB uses jabber now see - http://www.facebook.com/sitetour/chat.php for setup instructions
[02:10] <iconmefisto> ZykoticK9: ok, that makes it easy
[02:12] <hack> hey how ca i do to apply a theme wiht plymouth at terminal on gnome?
[02:12] <ZykoticK9> hack, "sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth" then "sudo update-initramfs -u"
[02:12] <hack> thanks zykotick9
[02:14] <hack> works
[02:14] <cpbtklogic> I installed lucid RC today and experienced some problems with the installer.  I'm trying to figure out where I should report it.
[02:14] <hack> thanks bye
[02:14] <CyberKitsune> Hello
[02:15] <cpbtklogic> I have an ICH7 Intel Software RAID.
[02:15] <cpbtklogic> It was found properly but took some fiddling to get it to install.  As it stands now, the machine doesn't boot automatically
[02:15] <CyberKitsune> Question, I see the GL Memory leak bug was fixed on LP (7 mins ago) does this mean that there will be an updated package available today?
[02:15] <cpbtklogic> I only got it to show a grub> terminal (after rebooting with CDROM and mounting, binding, and chrooting)
[02:15] <CyberKitsune> I am wanting to install the RC si
[02:15] <CyberKitsune> so*
[02:16] <cpbtklogic> The big problem, from what I can tell is:  (1) on the RAID machines you need to reboot after partitioning.
[02:16] <federico> Stupid question: 10.4 LTS, this is the same as the release candidate, right?
[02:16] <cpbtklogic> ICH7* raid machine.
[02:16] <cpbtklogic> It is not 10.4 LTS yet.
[02:16] <cpbtklogic> It is the release candidate.
[02:16] <cpbtklogic> (meaning it is damn close)
[02:16] <CyberKitsune> 10.4 is the Release
[02:16] <ZykoticK9> federico, your question is a little unclear -- 10.04LTS release candidate was released today
[02:17] <cpbtklogic> well 10.04 LTS RC (release candidate... close but not formally released)
[02:17] <CyberKitsune> SO yeah, does fix commmited on Launchpad mean that a update package will be available soon?
[02:17] <CyberKitsune> as I saw the GLX mem bug fixed
[02:17] <federico> ok, the thing is that i was using the beta 2 version
[02:17] <federico> i don't know if i uppgraded yet
[02:18] <ZykoticK9> cpbtklogic, actually "lsd_release -a" would disagree with you ;)
[02:18] <iconmefisto> lol lsd_release :)
[02:18] <federico> that's why it's stupid the question, hahaha, i actulized from synaptic, but i don know
[02:18] <ZykoticK9> iconmefisto, oops
[02:18] <voss749> How big should the release candidate update be?
[02:19] <cpbtklogic> yeah...
[02:19] <iconmefisto> voss749: mine was about 400mb
[02:19] <cpbtklogic> it should so that.  My understanding is the RC should be the copy that is released.
[02:19] <jjcv> voss749: impossible to say.  Depends on how many packages are updated.
[02:19] <cpbtklogic> Only if there are show stoppers will they re-release.
[02:19] <federico> how i can upgrade to the rc
[02:20] <cpbtklogic> I would imagine that apt-get update && apt-get upgrade
[02:20] <iconmefisto> federico: just update/upgrade
[02:20] <cpbtklogic> if not that... apt-get dist-upgrade
[02:20] <Pici> !final
[02:20] <cpbtklogic> but that is really only for major versions.
[02:20] <federico> ok
[02:20] <iconmefisto> federico: actually, dist-upgrade is better
[02:21] <federico> ok thanks
[02:21] <cpbtklogic> Anyone know how I make a grub 1.97 install 'like new'?
[02:22] <cpbtklogic> because of my little bug (the installer didn't know to change /dev/sda to /dev/mapper/isw_dgdgfcffcd_root
[02:22] <cpbtklogic> also, the installer didn't warn me about needing to 'reboot' after partition changes.
[02:23] <cpbtklogic> I had to be at a shell trying to run mkfs.ext4 to see that.
[02:23] <cpbtklogic> well, actually, I needed to run fdisk to be 'reminded'
[02:23] <cpbtklogic> but now I just see grub> when I boot.
[02:23] <voss749> That sucks, I didnt even get a cool message saying hey your running the release candidate, unless of course the servers havent been updated :P
[02:23] <cpbtklogic> I have to manually set root (hd0,1)
[02:23] <cpbtklogic> and configfile /boot/grub/grub.cfg
[02:24] <voss749> I had some servers still serving alpha when the beta was up
[02:24] <cpbtklogic> and I want it to boot into ubuntu automagically.
[02:24] <voss749> Only mac users get to use words that dont actually exist ;-)
[02:24] <meoblast001> :(
[02:25] <meoblast001> Ubuntu is saddening me
[02:25] <voss749> Is there a version check command?
[02:25] <meoblast001> recommending users add MP3 support before they even try to play an MP3?
[02:26] <ZykoticK9> cpbtklogic, any changes made to grub.cfg will be removed on kernel updates or "update-grub2" FYI
[02:26] <cpbtklogic> update-grub2 might be what I'm looking for.
[02:26] <barbaric> yeah - cpbklogic - you want the changes to stay, put them in /etc/default/grub
[02:26] <cpbtklogic> I am not changing grub.cfg... my current boot sector just isn't looking at it by default.
[02:26] <cpbtklogic> I have to tell it.
[02:26] <cpbtklogic> where do I tell it where grub should be installed?
[02:26] <barbaric> ah
[02:27] <cpbtklogic> I think it believes it should go on /dev/sda
[02:27] <iconmefisto> voss749: version of what?
[02:27] <cpbtklogic> when, really, it should go on /dev/mapper/blahblahblah
[02:27] <ZykoticK9> voss749, if you want to know what version of ubuntu you are using "lsb_release -a"
[02:27] <voss749> icon, In windows and in mac there is a gui thing that says about and tells you what version of the OS you have
[02:28] <federico> apt-get dist-upgrade me da un error
[02:28] <federico> No se pudieron obtener algunos archivos, ¿quizás deba ejecutar
[02:28] <federico> apt-get update o deba intentarlo de nuevo con --fix-missing?
[02:28] <Azelphur> Does anyone know how to get rid of this menu? http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3832397/urlmenu.png It's driving me nuts, appears every time I select or copy a URL
[02:29] <voss749> zykotic, it tells you 10.04 but nothing much else
[02:29] <DonaldShimoda> federico, you are in an englush channel
[02:29] <ZykoticK9> Azelphur, i think that's some Panel plugin you're running
[02:29] <Mixon851> are there any developments for 10.04 ati drivers?
[02:29] <Azelphur> gnome-panel? I'm not running gnome-panel
[02:29] <ZykoticK9> Azelphur, exactly, what are you running?
[02:29] <Azelphur> I'm using cairo
[02:30] <ZykoticK9> that's it - somewhere in cairo
[02:30]  * Azelphur tries killing cairo
[02:30] <cpbtklogic> so... update-grub2 ran (but spewed out a bunch of memory leak errors).
[02:30] <Azelphur> yup, cairo
[02:30] <cpbtklogic> Now, how do I actually reinstall grub in the MBR to read grub.cfg on boot?
[02:30] <federico> ups sorry
[02:30] <federico> i keep forgeting that
[02:30] <Azelphur> what on earth where they thinking with that design decision :x
[02:30] <DonaldShimoda> federico im from argentina anywhere, hehe
[02:31]  * Azelphur goes and stabs the cairo-dock people
[02:31] <ZykoticK9> Azelphur, it's some plugin in cairo - not cairo it self, you can turn it off somehow (i don't use cairo myself so don't know how)
[02:31] <DonaldShimoda> federico, im installing rc right now
[02:31] <federico> jajaja i'm from uruguay
[02:31] <DonaldShimoda> federico, buenisimo che
[02:31] <DonaldShimoda> ups
[02:32] <DonaldShimoda> rc is updating, less than a minute!
[02:32] <DonaldShimoda> good bless me!
[02:32] <DonaldShimoda> hehe
[02:32] <DonaldShimoda> bye!
[02:33] <DonaldShimoda> can i reboot my system after the upgrade? mmmm... lets see
[02:34] <cpbtklogic> I can't reboot my system because I can't reinstall grub!
[02:34] <cpbtklogic> :-(
[02:34] <DonaldShimoda> cpbtklogic, ups... thanks to tell me!
[02:34] <federico> wait, how you did it?
[02:34] <DonaldShimoda> cpbtklogic, why do you need to reinstall grub, after all?
[02:34] <federico> i get this error: No se pudieron obtener algunos archivos, ¿quizás deba ejecutar
[02:34] <federico> apt-get update o deba intentarlo de nuevo con --fix-missing?
[02:34] <DonaldShimoda> update-manager -d
[02:34] <federico> No se pudieron obtener algunos archivos, ¿quizás deba ejecutar
[02:34] <federico> apt-get update o deba intentarlo de nuevo con --fix-missing?
[02:35] <cpbtklogic> the lucid installer didn't see my ICH7 RAID on install.
[02:35] <DonaldShimoda> federico do you try again?
[02:35] <DonaldShimoda> cpbtklogic, ok, i dont have hard raid, tanks god!
[02:35] <cpbtklogic> so, it installed grub on /dev/sda rather than /dev/mapper/isw_asdfasdf_ddd
[02:35] <federico> let's see
[02:35] <cpbtklogic> no... this is 'soft' hard raid.
[02:35] <cpbtklogic> :-)
[02:35] <cpbtklogic> not 'real' raid, just BIOS hooks for software raid.
[02:35] <DonaldShimoda> cpbtklogic, stop using raid a long time ago, also
[02:35] <DonaldShimoda> hehe
[02:36] <cpbtklogic> On my Mac machines, yeah.
[02:36] <cpbtklogic> on my servers, I want performance.
[02:36] <DonaldShimoda> cpbtklogic,
[02:36] <DonaldShimoda> ok
[02:36] <cpbtklogic> At the very least a mirrored through software RAID is good.
[02:36] <DonaldShimoda> cpbtklogic, yes i know, i used ti have some
[02:36] <cpbtklogic> gives a reasonable speed increase... PLUS protection in your swap
[02:37] <DonaldShimoda> cpbtklogic, but the last disk dead stop me using it
[02:37] <DonaldShimoda> protection in your swap? what do you mean?
[02:37] <federico> mmmm
[02:38] <federico> i don't know if it's working
[02:38] <DonaldShimoda> ups, installing packages wioll take four hours? you kidding me!
[02:38] <DonaldShimoda> im gonna sleep!
[02:39] <federico> hahaha
[02:39] <DonaldShimoda> or to see latest lost cap, i think
[02:39] <federico> it didn't worked for me
[02:39] <DonaldShimoda> federico, will work for me
[02:39] <DonaldShimoda> :P
[02:40] <federico> can you tell me againg what you did?
[02:40] <DonaldShimoda> update-manager -d
[02:40] <federico> maybe i'm doing something wrong
[02:40] <DonaldShimoda> ?
[02:40] <DonaldShimoda> you need a few more mates before start man....
[02:40] <DonaldShimoda> hehe
[02:40] <federico> jajaja
[02:40] <DonaldShimoda> amargos, you know
[02:40] <DonaldShimoda> in a big porongo
[02:40] <DonaldShimoda> :P
[02:41] <federico> no no, porongo is in paraguay
[02:41] <federico> jajaja
[02:41] <DonaldShimoda> ups
[02:41] <DonaldShimoda> me fui al joraca, sorry
[02:41] <federico> tereré
[02:41] <federico> cold mate
[02:41] <DonaldShimoda> dont like it, i like hot mate
[02:41] <federico> me too
[02:41] <DonaldShimoda> terere = mate with tang or seven up
[02:42] <thehumanelement> What's up with the RC torrent?
[02:42] <DonaldShimoda> che y que paso que no te funca?
[02:42] <DonaldShimoda> todavia estas en que? karmic?
[02:42] <federico> no sé, yo actualizé hace un rato, pero sólo descargó 40mb
[02:42] <thehumanelement> I've got up to 78% but it's just hung there for hours
[02:42] <federico> no creo que esa sea la rc
[02:42] <meoblast001> hi
[02:42] <DonaldShimoda> federico, try running in aterminal
[02:42] <federico> no, lucid beta 2
[02:42] <meoblast001> i'm experiencing another problem
[02:42] <DonaldShimoda> update-manager -d
[02:42] <DonaldShimoda> ahhhhhh
[02:43] <federico> claro
[02:43] <DonaldShimoda> federico, you are in the oven
[02:43] <federico> jeje
[02:43] <DonaldShimoda> :P
[02:43] <federico> jajajaja
[02:43] <DonaldShimoda> en el horno mal
[02:43] <DonaldShimoda> jeje
[02:43] <federico> sorry
[02:43] <meoblast001> a few minutes after boot, my cursor will sort of... lock up i guess you could say
[02:43] <ZykoticK9> thehumanelement, i'd recommend you try stopping / restarting that torrent
[02:43] <DonaldShimoda> take a new cd and start over
[02:43] <meoblast001> i can still move it, and my music keeps playing
[02:43] <DonaldShimoda> :P
[02:43] <thehumanelement> also it says I've downloaded 750MB + 47MB corrupt
[02:43] <meoblast001> i just can't click anything
[02:43] <federico> i thought you knew that
[02:43] <thehumanelement> stop, and start all over again?
[02:43] <thehumanelement> really?
[02:43] <Pici> Guys, this channel is still english only.  Can you either keep it in english or move to #ubuntu-es or to private message if you are going to continue in spanish? Thanks :)
[02:44] <ZykoticK9> thehumanelement, not start over again!  just try restarting the client.
[02:44] <DonaldShimoda> thehumanelement, i was talking with the charrua
[02:44] <thehumanelement> righto
[02:44] <thehumanelement> charrua?
[02:44] <federico> me
[02:44] <DonaldShimoda> thehumanelement, please dont the metas en conversaciones de vecinos
[02:44] <DonaldShimoda> hehe
[02:45] <federico> haha, your english is worst than my linux shills
[02:45] <federico> skills*
[02:45] <DonaldShimoda> my english no lo entiende nadie negro
[02:45] <DonaldShimoda> hehe
[02:45] <DonaldShimoda> es english del rio de la plata
[02:45] <federico> haha, te pareces al gordo caseros
[02:45] <DonaldShimoda> hehe
[02:45] <thehumanelement> ?que?
[02:45] <DonaldShimoda> a olmedo
[02:45] <federico> too
[02:45] <DonaldShimoda> thehumanelement, nothing to see here
[02:46] <federico> osea que ya lo tengo actualizado no?
[02:46] <ZykoticK9> DonaldShimoda, federico please see Pici's message above
[02:46] <DonaldShimoda> ok, im going to see lost with my wife
[02:46] <DonaldShimoda> federico, mmmmmm no se loco, no me jugaria por eso
[02:46] <DonaldShimoda> federico, strange apt-get dont finish installing
[02:46] <DonaldShimoda> try apt-get -f
[02:47] <DonaldShimoda> gueno, good by to everyone
[02:47] <federico> but after the second try it did
[02:47] <federico> ok, bye loco
[02:47] <DonaldShimoda> im going to see lost last chapter
[02:47] <DonaldShimoda> suerte fede
[02:47] <DonaldShimoda> mañana me contas
[02:47] <federico> thank you
[02:47] <DonaldShimoda> ;)
[02:47] <h00k> !english
[02:47] <DonaldShimoda> bye
[02:47] <thehumanelement> No puedo leer a españoles.
[02:47] <federico> ok
[02:47] <federico> we are no spanish
[02:47] <DonaldShimoda> thehumanelement, me either to africans,
[02:47] <thehumanelement> oh
[02:48] <thehumanelement> what then?
[02:48] <federico> sorry for the spanish talking guys
[02:48] <DonaldShimoda> i dont know, what then
[02:48] <thehumanelement> I can read Yo La Tengo :)
[02:48] <DonaldShimoda> hehe
[02:48] <federico> i'm uruguaian
[02:48] <DonaldShimoda> thehumanelement, la tenes adentro....
[02:48] <thehumanelement> what language do you speak?
[02:48] <federico> jajajaja
[02:48] <DonaldShimoda> hehe, sorry im gone!
[02:48] <DonaldShimoda> bye
[02:48] <federico> I speak spanish, but i'm not spanish
[02:49] <mawst> Can I make that little mail icon in the bar use thunderbird instead of evolution?
[02:49] <thehumanelement> I didn't say you were Spanish, I said I can't read Spanish.
[02:49] <mawst> "indicator applet"
[02:49] <federico> no, you've said it wrong
[02:50] <thehumanelement> even if you weren't speaking Spanish, I still can't read Spanish ^_^
[02:50] <c0vert> either way you're off topic.
[02:50] <federico> "no puedo leer español" that's right
[02:50] <thehumanelement> I just used Systransoft to be honest, it could say "I ate a barrel of bibles" for all I know
[02:50] <federico> sorry again, I'll shut up now
[02:51] <thehumanelement> well, I think I'm contributing to the RC torrent now
[02:51] <thehumanelement> does anyone know why that happened, or what happened?
[02:51] <federico> anyway, how can i upgrade from beta 2 to the rc?
[02:52] <c0vert> federico, just update?
[02:52] <ZykoticK9> !final | federico
[02:52] <federico> ah, ok
[02:53] <federico> I'm still getting the bug with the ram then
[02:53] <federico> It only recognizes 3.2gb of my 4gb
[02:53] <federico> I'm using 64 bits by the way
[02:54] <federico> ¿Any ideas?
[02:54] <meoblast> ok
[02:54] <meoblast> so i can't get an uptime better than 10 minutes
[02:55] <federico> mmm i'm getting this error: imposible to obtain http://uy.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/dists/lucid/universe/source/Sources.bz2
[02:56] <meoblast> so no explanation?
[02:56] <federico> im translating
[02:56] <federico> Some index files were imposible to download
[02:57] <ZykoticK9> federico, that link did work here - but slowly.  You might want to try changing your mirror.
[02:57] <federico> how do i change that?
[02:58] <iconmefisto> federico: I had the same problem. probably mirrors struggling to stay up-to-date with the new packages
[02:58] <meoblast> never knew how fast a week can poof away when you download 8 hours worth of ISOs
[02:58] <federico> ah, ok, but in the end you did it right?
[02:58] <iconmefisto> federico: after changing to a different mirror, yes
[02:59] <ZykoticK9> federico, to change mirros - System / Admin / Software Sources
[02:59] <federico> ah, ok
[02:59] <federico> how much time it takes to update?
[03:04] <meoblast> no one?
[03:04] <meoblast> downgrade time?
[03:05] <c0vert> i'm sorry did you even ask a question?
[03:05] <meoblast> yes
[03:05] <beyondcr_> can anyone say if the creative xfi sound card will be supported in 10.4?
[03:05] <meoblast> i start my system, and within a few minutes, i can't click
[03:05] <meoblast> music keeps going
[03:05] <meoblast> and events still occur
[03:05] <meoblast> some of the time
[03:05] <meoblast> one time it just entirely locked up
[03:06] <meoblast> i have an Nvidious GPU and a standard PS/2 mouse
[03:06] <federico> mmm, I think i have actualized already, but it take so little time that i don't know
[03:06] <federico> how can i check what distribution i'm using in the console?
[03:06] <Azelphur> lsb_release -d
[03:07] <federico> thanks
[03:07] <federico> Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is that right?
[03:07] <meoblast> i guess i'll downgrade
[03:10] <iconmefisto> federico: that's right. you're up to date
[03:10] <federico> yeah!
[03:10] <kajros> Has anyone had any sound issues with 10.04?  I can hear sound through my speakers just not my headphones.  Was hoping that upgrading was the right idea lol
[03:10] <federico> haha
[03:10] <federico> thanks
[03:11] <iconmefisto> kajros: I had sound problems, after upgrade, no change
[03:12] <iconmefisto> kajros: HDA audio?
[03:13] <kajros> iconmefisto:  Well i had the same issue in 9.10 and I couldnt figure it out.  Everything else works perfect just sound card hates me lol.  No believe intel
[03:14] <meoblast> anyone know how to fix my problem?
[03:14] <kajros> iconmefisto:  No wait I am wrong.  HDA
[03:14] <iconmefisto> kajros: aplay -l <-- does that say hda intel
[03:14] <meoblast> i'm sort of SOL if i can't fix this
[03:14] <iconmefisto> kajros: this might help (although it didn't help me much) http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=616845
[03:20] <ZykoticK9> meoblast, is this in a VMWare VM by chance?
[03:20] <meoblast> no
[03:20] <meoblast> it's on bare hardware
[03:20] <ZykoticK9> meoblast, ok just checkin' as VMWare has similar no click issue
[03:22] <kajros> iconmefisto: Well that made it worse lol
[03:26] <iconmefisto> kajros: file a bug report
[03:35] <vivid> anyone know why update-notifier isnt working?
[03:35] <vivid> for me anyway, on a fresh install
[03:35] <Ken8521> vivid, i dunno, it hadn't alerted me either, i just ran upgrade adn dist-upgrade to get to RC
[03:36] <Ken8521> vivid, well if its a clean install of the RC, it's likely no updates are needed
[03:36] <vivid> not, its about a week old
[03:36] <ZykoticK9> vivid, i haven't seen and update notifications since installing Lucid at Alpha2
[03:36] <vivid> either way, its not working, no icon for anything
[03:36] <ZykoticK9> s/and/any
[03:37] <majnoon> ok in gnome can't  use mouse without control key pushed
[03:37] <kajros> iconmefisto:  Gonna try a reboot
[03:37] <Ken8521> vivid, so what happens if you go to system/admin/update manager?
[03:38] <Ken8521> majnoon, lol, that's a new one.
[03:38] <vivid> it opens update-manager
[03:38] <Ken8521> vivid, ... ok.. and?
[03:39] <vivid> nothing unless i tell it to "check" if i do, theres no icon, if theres updates, theres no icon
[03:39] <vivid> theres no update-notifier icon at any time
[03:39] <majnoon> Ken8521, al other WMs work fine
[03:39] <majnoon> just gnome
[03:39] <Ken8521> vivid, dunno.. like ZykoticK9 i hadn't gotten an update notification all through alpha/beta.. so.
[03:39] <vivid> normal previous behavior would show a gray icon any time apt was working
[03:40] <vivid> it was working before i reinstalled, i did a dist-upgrade into alpha2
[03:40] <Ken8521> vivid, well, have you consideried upgrading to the current RC?
[03:41] <vivid> .....
[03:41] <vivid> the system is up to date
[03:41] <Ken8521> oh so its not worked *since* you upgraded to alpha2.
[03:41] <vivid> no, it hasnt worked since i did a reinstall a week ago
[03:42] <vivid> which would have been beta2
[03:42] <kajros_> Well, still no working sound.
[03:42] <vivid> when i did the dist-upgrade from karmic to alpha2, it was working, until i reinstalled lucid
[03:42] <sebsebseb> When I first saw links going on about the 10.04 backgrounds,  I wasn't that keen on them,  except the uhmmm  water sunset one.  However just been trying them out in a vm,  and I quite like most of them.
[03:44] <Tophu> hello all anyone here have a touchscreen.. or willing to assist me with this walkthrough to get my touchscreen working? http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1252492&highlight=10.04+touchscreen
[03:44] <Tophu> please and thank you
[03:46] <kajros_> Tophu:  Try here http://linuxfans.keryxproject.org/?page_id=44
[03:46] <Tophu> thanks
[03:47] <hoop> HELP!.... need help with 10.4 and TeamSpeak... ts3client_runscript.sh opens in gedit how do i fix
[03:48] <Ken8521> open it in a terminal?
[03:48] <hoop> how do i run from terminal
[03:49] <ZykoticK9> hoop, Application / Accessories / Terminal - cd to the directory with the file then "sudo sh ts3client_runscript.sh" should work
[03:49] <Ken8521> if its an sh file... i'm assuming it would be    "sh /path/to/filename"
[03:49] <ZykoticK9> hoop, that's assuming that is an installer
[03:51] <chrisb_> wow thanks that appears to be a much easier to follow guidebut will it also work for lucid? or should I uninstall lucid and just follow that.(seems like if I do that then when lucid comes out in 6 days or so then it's just going to get undone)
[03:55] <bicchi> Will the Release Candidate iso be rebuilt before the final release?
[03:56] <hoop> that works so how would or can i have it so i dont always have to run terminal
[03:56] <ZykoticK9> bicchi, i can say YES - as a fresh RC install show "lsb_realease -a" as development, which would NOT be appropriate for a release
[03:56] <ZykoticK9> hoop, is that sh script an installer or the actual command?
[03:57] <hoop> i think its a command
[03:57] <ZykoticK9> hoop, then DON'T run it with sudo!
[03:57] <lucitu> bicchi: final in 7 days so a final.iso will be built.
[03:57] <ZykoticK9> hoop, do you know the path to the sh file?
[03:58] <hoop> yes i do
[03:58] <bicchi> ZykoticK9: I don't see development on the lsb_release -a. Do you?
[03:58] <ZykoticK9> create a launcher with "gnome-terminal -e /path/to/command"
[03:58] <ZykoticK9> bicchi, if you've updated you won't - only fresh RC installs show it
[03:58] <bicchi> oh
[03:59] <hoop> type of launcher?
[04:00] <hoop> application, application in terminal or location
[04:00] <ZykoticK9> hoop, if you select "Application in terminal" then you don't need the "gnome-terminal -e" part just the "/path/to/command"
[04:00] <hoop> ok
[04:01] <DoYouKnow> how do I change the wireless transmitter strength setting in bcmwl-kernel-source?
[04:01] <DoYouKnow> I'm looking at wlc_hybrid.o_shipped
[04:01] <DoYouKnow> is it in there?
[04:02] <DoYouKnow> is that basically the firmware for the 802.11n cards?
[04:03] <hoop> what would it look like
[04:03] <DoYouKnow> it's frustrating that a card I can easily put into passive scan mode (kismet) on hackintosh will not work in linux
[04:03] <DoYouKnow> BCM4328
[04:05] <DoYouKnow> how does apple get permission to boost up the transmitter/receive power of these cards, but linux community doesn't
[04:05] <DoYouKnow> it's unfair
[04:06] <nmoureyii> I am upgrading from 9.10 to the RC release and dpkg quites with a broken pipe on : gir1.0-clutter-1.0_1.2.4-0ubuntu1_amd64.deb
[04:06] <Ken8521> DoYouKnow, complain to the hardware manufacturers
[04:07] <nmoureyii> The error is :  trying to overwrite '/usr/lib/girepository-1.0/ClutterJson-1.0.typelib', which is also in package libclutter-1.0-0 0:1.2.6-0ubuntu1~9.10~ricotz1
[04:09] <hoop> i get a error "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal"
[04:11] <hoop> i get a error "There was an error creating the child process for this terminal"
[04:11] <ZykoticK9> hoop, is that from the launcher for teamspeak?
[04:12] <hoop> it opens the terminal.. but not ts..
[04:12] <ZykoticK9> hoop, perhaps you need the "sh" before the command?
[04:12] <ZykoticK9> hoop, or set the command to executable "chmod +x /path/to/command"
[04:13] <ZykoticK9> hoop, second suggsetion would be better
[04:13] <hoop> that actually look more like something i've seen before
[04:14] <Scarra3> I don't know if this is a bug so I wanted to ask about it first when I tryed to update Ubuntu 10.04 RC it gave me an error about the repos then I logged into msn with empathy and they it updated with no problem
[04:16] <hoop> now i get a terminal flicker but it doesn't stay and TS doesn't open
[04:18] <ZykoticK9> hoop, don't know - perhaps you're just going to need to open a terminal to run it each time?  Good luck man.
[04:23] <iconmefisto> something good seems to have happened in RC. I now have about half the ram usage I had before RC
[04:25] <Scarra3> Same
[04:26] <Scarra3> It seems that Ubuntu does not recognize my Disk Drive
[04:26] <SwedeMike> I just noticed on http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004 that nvidia binary packages won't be installable anymore "Incompatibility with nVidia upstream driver installer". Are the latest versions provided, this hasn't been the case earlier... or perhaps there'll be ppa:s?
[04:26] <ZykoticK9> SwedeMike, Current nvidia in jockey is 195
[04:27] <SwedeMike> there are different revisions of 195.xx, but ok... will this be contoinuously updated over time? or at least some kind of backport?
[04:28] <ZykoticK9> SwedeMike, 195.36.15 specifically
[04:29] <osirisx11> hi all
[04:29] <osirisx11> i just finished downloading beta2 and i see the rc is out. if i update as soon as i install the beta2 will it be just as good as installing the rc?
[04:29] <ZykoticK9> SwedeMike, not sure what the updates will be like...
[04:29] <ZykoticK9> !final | osirisx11
[04:29] <osirisx11> very nice! you guys rock
[04:29] <osirisx11> ive gotten my whole family on ubuntu :D
[04:29] <SwedeMike> ZykoticK9: well, that seems to be the latest one on nvidias homepage so that bodes well for being current at the time of release anyway.
[04:32] <ZykoticK9> SwedeMike, i'm confident it will continue to be updated :)  Nvidia + Lucid is a match made in heaven
[04:32] <ZykoticK9> SwedeMike, ATI + Lucid - something else entirely ;)
[04:33] <gekken1> howdy all
[04:40] <ZykoticK9> hey gekken1 - as no one replied so far.  have a question?
[04:42] <gekken1> nope. Just saying hello
[04:47] <git__> hi
[04:52] <dr3mro> I have a question ... gnome 2.30.1 is due in 5 days .... will it be shipped to ubuntu lucid lynx final ?????
[04:53] <ZykoticK9> dr3mro, Lucid is due out in 7 days - it's not going to be there!
[04:53] <jiohdi> ZykoticK9: why not?
[04:53] <ZykoticK9> jiohdi, WAY to late in development process to add a new Gnome!
[04:54] <dr3mro>  ZykoticK9 gnome 2.30 is having alot of bugs ... and the 2.30.1 is the stable release not 2.30 why not shipped to ubuntu 10.04
[04:54] <jiohdi> I use icewm :)
[04:54] <dr3mro> 2.30 = unstable ,,, 2.30.1 the first stable
[04:54] <ZykoticK9> dr3mro, it's simple - there would be Ubuntu bugs with it that would take a long time to sort out
[04:55] <ZykoticK9> dr3mro, jiohdi packages have been frozen for a while now
[04:55] <jiohdi> I dont need no bells and whistles, icewm is more than adequate
[04:55] <dr3mro> ZykoticK9, so will it be possible to upgrdae ... totem-mozilla ... brasro ... rhythmbox ... all have serious usablity bugs and new adopters of lucid would suffer and canonical wont fix upstream bugs so users will get a buggy gnome
[04:56] <greezmunkey> !final
[04:56] <majnoon> they fix medibuntu yet ??
[04:56] <ZykoticK9> dr3mro, if there are bugs then will be fixed/updated as needed
[04:56] <greezmunkey> co
[04:56] <ZykoticK9> majnoon, it's working!
[04:57] <dr3mro> ZykoticK9, no it wont be fixed as canonical only fixes its bugs and never fixes upstream bugs as they already fixed on 2.30.1 why fix it again ????
[04:57] <ZykoticK9> dr3mro, i'm saying if there really is a compelling reason to update the packages, they might be updated
[04:58] <ZykoticK9> dr3mro, and Ubuntu is trying to improve upstream relationships right now
[04:58] <dr3mro> ZykoticK9, totem-mozilla sound level is set to zero by default .... you can't creat an audio cd in rhythmbox ... most of brasero plugins are disabled due to incompatile packages versions
[04:59] <ZykoticK9> dr3mro, and are there BUGS for these issues in Launchpad?
[04:59] <dr3mro> ZykoticK9, i wish it do ... the only losers are us - ubuntu users - because of instablity we get for that
[04:59] <dr3mro> ZykoticK9, yes all are reported and wont fix as they are upstream
[05:01] <dr3mro> ZykoticK9, i wish canonical postpone the release date so it ships more stable ... stability is the key for linux to become on every laptop... LTS will make canonical dominant of the market if stability and a bug free release is done
[05:01] <ZykoticK9> dr3mro, i believe they increased the time for alpha/beta testing to try and make it more stable with Lucid
[05:02] <dr3mro> ZykoticK9, but the sum is only 6 month :) alpha + beta +rc =6 months so what has changed
[05:02] <SwedeMike> dr3mro: if you want somethinfg stable you need to interact with more "anal" people , like debian. yes the support is is shorter than 5 years, but the attentition to detail for stability is higher.
[05:03] <ZykoticK9> bug 563637 - not exactly affecting many people - and it's not as you say "won't fix"
[05:03] <ZykoticK9> bug 563537
[05:04] <KnifeySpooney> Hi, since about last week my computer keeps thrashing when I run more than a few programs. I've been updating lucid since the alpha.
[05:04] <SwedeMike> KnifeySpooney: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/GEMLeak perhaps?
[05:04] <KnifeySpooney> I have still 45% of my physical RAM to use, but my swap is full (600mb)? why is there such aggressive use of swap?
[05:05] <KnifeySpooney> SwedeMike: yes that sounds exactly it
[05:05] <dr3mro> SwedeMike, I like ubuntu modifications to the gnome UI that what makes me with ubuntu ... god only knows what i will do if gnome 3.0 is released it will be a disaster ... 2.30 is full of bugs ... think of 3.0 :) more more more bugs canonical should make LTS releases develop on more than 6 months ... and regular releases will have new features and LTS will be stability and bug fix only because LTS is what makes the appetite of OEMs
[05:05] <KnifeySpooney> via top I saw that Xorg was taking most of the memory
[05:05] <ZykoticK9> KnifeySpooney, what graphics card are you using?
[05:06] <SwedeMike> dr3mro: I thin kthe whole idea is to wait 3-6 months before you install 10.04
[05:06] <KnifeySpooney> ZykoticK9: Intel 946GZ, I'm using xserver-xorg-video-intel driver, is there a such thing as a proprietary intel gfx driver that I can try?
[05:06] <ZykoticK9> KnifeySpooney, not that i'm aware of... NO
[05:06] <dr3mro> SwedeMike, who uses linux and can wait ,... i use it since beta 2
[05:07] <nokia3510> KnifeySpooney: you're USING the Intel proprietary driver
[05:07] <nokia3510> KnifeySpooney: yet it;s open source :)
[05:07] <KnifeySpooney> nokia3510: okay good.
[05:07] <KnifeySpooney> ooh. Good intel. :P
[05:07] <KnifeySpooney> I guess I should try those testing packages for Xorg
[05:08] <nokia3510> KnifeySpooney: see Known Issues http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004overview
[05:08] <dr3mro> SwedeMike, i realy dont care about those bugs i got work arounds for them but i care about ubuntu .. how i can promote ubuntu with all this bugs .. if i gave ubuntu to a friend and tell him to use is because its better and he finds all this bugs ... how will he trust the underlying design of ubuntu if the surface is buggy
[05:09] <SwedeMike> dr3mro: well, the model is to let the community do a lot of testing and then report it via launchpad, thus you can't be on bleeding edge.
[05:09] <KnifeySpooney> nokia3510: oh, that would explain why the problem got worse when I ran java games that used OpenGL
[05:09] <SwedeMike> if you want stability that is
[05:09] <jiohdi> dr3mro: you give them 9.10 and tell them its the best so far
[05:09] <SwedeMike> 10.04 alpha/beta period has been the worst one so far in my experience, and I've bee ndoing alphas and betas since 8.04
[05:09] <SwedeMike> or rather, 8.10 was the first alpha I installed
[05:10] <dr3mro> jiohdi, we will wait and see .. I wont get the cd untill 10.04.1 or more .....   wish to be stable and get a share in the laptop market not only netbooks
[05:10] <ZykoticK9> SwedeMike, do you have an LP account?
[05:10] <SwedeMike> ZykoticK9: yes.
[05:11] <jiohdi> UNR 9.10 works pretty good, no?
[05:11] <ZykoticK9> SwedeMike, ok, just searched your IRC nic and didn't find you
[05:11] <SwedeMike> ZykoticK9: it's swmike I think.
[05:12] <dr3mro> SwedeMike, by the way ... Atayana ideas are great .. those girls and guys are so brilliant ....
[05:12] <bullgard> If Update Manager updates now, will it update to Lucid Release Candidate?
[05:13] <Tekno_> no
[05:13] <SwedeMike> ZykoticK9: yes, my LP account is swmike.. and I don't really have great experience with logging bugs and getting them fixed.
[05:13] <ZykoticK9> !final | bullgard
[05:13] <dr3mro> bullgard, yes
[05:13] <SwedeMike> ZykoticK9: often they're just left there and then 2 yeares later someone asks me if I have the problem in the löatest version.
[05:13] <dr3mro> bullgard, i advice to have a clean install better that upgrade ...
[05:14] <ZykoticK9> SwedeMike, as long as you're reporting them - you're doing your part :)
[05:14] <SwedeMike> dr3mro: I don't know what atayana are, google didnt give anything ubuntu related either
[05:14] <EruditeHermit> hey, does anyone have a clickpad or multitouch touchpad? How do you set it up?
[05:14] <dr3mro> SwedeMike, http://www.google.com.eg/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=4&ved=0CBoQFjAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Flaunchpad.net%2Fayatana&rct=j&q=aytana+team&ei=qB7RS53EBqj40wSdov3XDQ&usg=AFQjCNGk2R2oJI_OwCqyIW_lP1G0WZU0Ng&sig2=1EteBKokPzsgbixdbBs_fg
[05:15] <dr3mro> SwedeMike, https://launchpad.net/ayatana
[05:15] <ZykoticK9> SwedeMike, you've had several "fix released" bugs!
[05:15] <h00k> I think I am having a kernel problem in Lucid, this is my dmesg of where my system became unresponsive for a few minutes: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/420814/
[05:16] <bullgard> dr3mro: Sorry to tell you that I will not do a "clean" install. I will speak at the Ubuntu Lucid Release party in Berlin on May 1st. Thus it would be foolish not to upgrade my Ubuntu in the mean time.
[05:16] <SwedeMike> dr3mro: I don't carethat much for UI actually, I was happy already back in the fvwm2 days in the mid 90:ties :P
[05:17] <h00k> It may be related to the current x problem, but I'm using the proprietary driver ^ see above dmesg
[05:17] <hemanth> i'm on lucid beta2 everything was working fine, but no netwrok after update, saw few bug reports on the same tried the workaround didnt help, any suggestion on the same?
[05:18] <dr3mro> bullgard, ok if you are up to it go ahead ... :) good luck
[05:18] <bullgard> Tekno_: How can I assertain that I am using Ubuntu Lucid release candidate or not?
[05:18] <SwedeMike> bullgard: it's acontinous process, juts keep it updated.
[05:18] <bullgard> dr3mro: Thank you.
[05:19] <bullgard> SwedeMike: I beg your pardon? The release candidate is a continoous process? Can you elaborate.
[05:19] <dr3mro> SwedeMike, UI for me is essential but I love the treminal for the old days :) ... but in 2010 UI is a MUST
[05:20] <SwedeMike> bullgard: if you upgrade now you're proably going to be more updated than the rc. It's a continous process, packages get updated all the time.
[05:20] <dr3mro> bullgard, RC is from yesterday upto the date of final release .. you can get the daily images from ubuntu servers or by zsnyc
[05:21] <dr3mro> bullgard, RC is not the current ISO image :) ... so the beta and alpha its not a release point its a period between dates
[05:21] <bullgard> dr3mro: RC is from yesterday what time of the day?
[05:22] <dr3mro> its here april 23 6:21 AM .. EGYPT
[05:22] <SwedeMike> bullgard: the RCs are just to make sure you have a working instaler, they're just points in time when someone made sure it'd install correctly.
[05:22] <ZykoticK9> bullgard, in eastern US time zone i can make the same claim ;)
[05:22] <SwedeMike> bullgard: what are you speaking about at the berlin conference?
[05:23] <bullgard> SwedeMike: About videotelephony using Empathy.
[05:23] <dr3mro> bullgard, the date on RC image is 22-Apr-2010 13:55
[05:23] <ZykoticK9> !final
[05:24] <dr3mro> bullgard, and actually is was compiled on 19 april so it has been a while now
[05:24] <dr3mro> bullgard, RC >>> 19-Apr-2010 19:20
[05:24] <SwedeMike> bullgard: oooh, where do you see that going? I tried to use it towards some appliances but never got it working, had to use my windows machine and some equivalent program there to get it working, guess it might be lack of codecs?
[05:25] <bullgard> SwedeMike: Lack of codecs may be a cause.
[05:25] <SwedeMike> bullgard: I think it supported h.263/264 but I guess empathy has problems with that due to patens/licensing problems?
[05:25] <SwedeMike> patents
[05:26] <theadmin> If I upgrade to Lucid now, will I have to download freakin' 700MB again when release is out?
[05:26] <SwedeMike> !final | theadmin
[05:26] <bullgard> ZykoticK9, dr3mro, SwedeMike Thank you for your help.
[05:26] <dr3mro> bullgard, use medibuntu repositories and the unstripped codec and w32codec or 64 ... it will just play any thing in totem of if you like you can go the VLC way ... there a new release of w32codec labeled 2010 check the repositories of lucid
[05:26] <theadmin> SwedeMike: I see. Great. Upgrading then :D
[05:26] <meoblast001> ok
[05:27] <meoblast001> is the menu.lst file moved?
[05:27] <SwedeMike> !grub2 | meoblast001
[05:27] <bullgard> SwedeMike: No, Empathy just takes the codecs it finds in your Ubuntu and uses them. So patents only indirectly infringe Empathy.
[05:27] <ZykoticK9> meoblast001, /etc/default/grub is probably the file you're looking for
[05:28] <SwedeMike> bullgard: ah, nice, I'll try to get more codecs installed and try again then
[05:28] <meoblast001> there is no /etc/default/grub
[05:28] <meoblast001> i don't think
[05:28] <meoblast001> one second
[05:29] <meoblast001> hm
[05:29] <ZykoticK9> meoblast001, if you've fresh install Lucid (or Karmic for that matter) there should be
[05:29] <meoblast001> adding my new kernel should be fun
[05:29] <meoblast001> aparently i have no kernels installed?
[05:30] <bullgard> SwedeMike: Yes, this is a good procedure. But remember that there are many other stumbling blocks on the way towards a functioning videotelephony.
[05:30] <meoblast001> where would all these menuentries be?
[05:31] <SwedeMike> meoblast001: read the link you were sent
[05:31] <meoblast001> ah, it automates
[05:33] <dr3mro> is it only me or my laptop fan is going faster on lucid lynx ??????? I hear the noise alot more than karmic .. is it due to the global warming or normal a BUG as usual the bugs me
[05:33] <meoblast001> interesting
[05:33] <meoblast001> xorg comes up
[05:33] <meoblast001> but crashes instantly
[05:33] <meoblast001> doesn't surprise me
[05:34] <dr3mro> is there a way to get the cpu fan speed RPM on linux ???????? so i can check if it goes more than usual ???
[05:34] <SwedeMike> dr3	lmsensors
[05:35] <meoblast001> O_o
[05:35] <meoblast001> how do i change kernels at boot?
[05:35] <dr3mro> SwedeMike, it gives me the temp only ...
[05:35] <meoblast001> this isn't cool guys
[05:35] <ZykoticK9> meoblast001, hold down shift to get the grub menu - if that's what you mean
[05:35] <meoblast001> i don't know when the grub menu appears
[05:36] <ZykoticK9> meoblast001, turn computer on - then hold down shift
[05:37] <dr3mro> is my core duo laptop      +51.0°C  (crit = +104.0°C)  normal or need to tweak something
[05:37] <meoblast001> silly me forgot to install his modules
[05:37] <bullgard> I still have a chocolate brown splash screen on one Lucid computer. How can I change this to the new splash screen?
[05:37] <jiohdi> dr3mro: my nettop generally runs at 60c
[05:38] <h00k> I'm having a problem with my memory, I believe, in Lucid.  My dmesg since the problem started is http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/420814/. Free appears to show that I have free memory, I'm not very familiar with 'top' but I was able to grab some output. http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/420819/ Are there any ideas of where I should take a look at next? The system is thrashing around quite heavily
[05:38] <SwedeMike> h00k: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Testing/GEMLeak
[05:38] <h00k> SwedeMike: I'm familiar, I've posted on that, except I am using the proprietary driver at the moment.
[05:38] <dr3mro> h00k, Xorg memory leak .. should a fix hit the ripostitories soo in a day or two
[05:38] <h00k> SwedeMike: which apparently isn't effected
[05:39] <h00k> dr3mro: please see above
[05:40] <dr3mro> h00k, you have no swap ????
[05:40] <h00k> it is still currently in this 'thrashing' stage :/
[05:40] <h00k> dr3mro: I disabled it, actually, when I was testing nouveau, and didn't enable it.
[05:40] <h00k> dr3mro: I have 3GiB of ram
[05:41] <dr3mro> h00k, it might be the Xorg memory leak bug ....
[05:41] <h00k> dr3mro: even with the proprietary driver?
[05:42] <h00k> dr3mro: those use their own version of GLX, from what I understand.
[05:42] <h00k> dr3mro: the problem is in the GEM count, which the proprietary driver doesn't use
[05:43] <meoblast001> anyone know the name of the package for Xorg macros?
[05:43] <dr3mro> h00k, yes you are right ...
[05:43] <h00k> dr3mro: unless it is something new.
[05:44] <h00k> I suppose I'll report it as something new and see what happens.
[05:44] <dr3mro> h00k, may be a new  bug ... I have intel not nvidia ... check with launchpad
[05:44] <h00k> dr3mro: yeah, I suppose I was just wondering if there was any other data I should grab before I restart it
[05:45] <dr3mro> h00k, even if restart ... all are saved in logs :)
[05:45] <h00k> but I just hit restart. I'll report this, thanks for the time
[05:45] <h00k> dr3mro: well, anything like $ free or other
[05:46] <dr3mro> yes it should be helpfull to get $ free -m , $lspci , $lswh ,$dmesg ,
[05:48] <meoblast001> does grub 2 try a different kernel if one fails?
[05:52] <SwedeMike> meoblast001: fails how?
[05:52] <meoblast001> nvm, i thought it was failing
[05:52] <meoblast001> i guess "FATAL" doesn't signify a crash
[05:53] <iconmefisto> could be poisoning, or stabbing :P
[05:54] <meoblast001> xorg.cfg is removed too?
[05:54] <dr3mro> does compiling a kernel affect the performance ???????? like more than 10 % ...
[05:54] <meoblast001> i need the kernel for Nouveau
[05:55] <SwedeMike> dr3mro: probably not.
[05:55] <meoblast001> !xorg | meoblast001
[05:57] <meoblast001> anyone know where xorg.cfg got moved to?
[05:57] <meoblast001> or what replaced it
[05:57] <dr3mro> my ubuntu lucid uses when a cold boot 160-170 and after a min or two it gets to 260 ... with no apps open ,,,, is that normal ??????????? ... with firefox and some apps it reaches 470 MB RAM with zero swap ... is that normal
[05:59] <iconmefisto> dr3mro: if it's steadily using more ram for no apparent reason, that's not normal. RC seems to have fixed that for me though
[06:00] <dr3mro> iconmefisto, so what it uses in your computer .. like me or less
[06:01] <atrus> meoblast001: for me, everything that used to be in /etc/X11/xorg.conf is auto-detected now. no more need for the file.
[06:01] <dr3mro> iconmefisto, now one tab firefox  + xchat + system monitor = 321 MB .. i closed gibber and empathy
[06:01] <meoblast001> how does one change drivers?
[06:02] <iconmefisto> dr3mro: about the same as you. but before RC, it would increase steadily until it used it all, then started using swap like crazy, then lock up
[06:05] <dr3mro> iconmefisto, i think this is too much ... i remember hardy only used about 180 MB or so ..this should not be a nother windows vista ... I have 3G but i care if using pythonGTk would cause alot of the memory use we found here now i create a simple window in GTKmm of C++ used 1.8 MB but in python with the same code I get 17 MB ,,,, pyGTK uses far more ram ,,, may be this is the cause here
[06:05] <meoblast001> good night all
[06:06] <z3r0-c001> well i just upgraded to lucid RC hopefully i dont melt down in the next 7 days
[06:06] <dr3mro> z3r0-c001, you can always have a backup of your root partiton using `dd`
[06:07] <z3r0-c001> dr3mro: what is dd
[06:10] <iconmefisto> dr3mro: take a look at bug 565981
[06:13] <EruditeHermit> hey, does anyone know how to get multitouch working on clickpads?
[06:37] <bullgard> I still have a chocolate brown splash screen on one Lucid computer. How can I change this to the new splash screen?
[06:38] <iconmefisto> bullgard: sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[06:39] <iconmefisto> bullgard: then sudo update-initramfs -u
[06:44] <bullgard> iconmefisto: I have done as you suggested. Let me see the result. Just a moment.
[06:52] <bullgard4> iconmefisto: This did not help.
[06:53] <iconmefisto> bullgard: you did  sudo update-initramfs -u  after choosing the plymouth theme?
[06:53] <bullgard4> iconmefisto: The 1st command responded: "There is only one alternative in link group default plymouth: /lib/plymouth/thems/ubuntu-logo/ubuntu-logo.plymouth. Nothing to configure."
[06:55] <bullgard4> iconmefisto: Yes, I did '~$ sudo update-initramfs -u' after the first command.
[06:55] <nishanth_> plymouth does not show the animation during boot up.....does anyone know what could be wrong?
[06:55] <aeon17x> Is it just me or does empathy in lucid still doesn't offer an option to create IRC accounts?
[06:55] <iconmefisto> bullgard4: so you only have one plymouth theme. install another and then do those commands again
[06:55] <aeon17x> I had to install xchat first to get to this channel :<
[06:56] <bullgard4> aeon17x: Empathy in Lucid does provide an option to create IRC accounts.
[06:57] <iconmefisto> bullgard4: or maybe the theme you have now is not updated? I don't know, I use kubuntu and don't know the other themes
[06:58] <aeon17x> bullgard4: how do you do that? It doesn't list IRC when setting up new accounts.
[06:58] <bullgard4> iconmefisto: Please tell me what a "plymouth theme" is. All I'd like to get is the new white log-in window on a purple background when booting Lucid (which I obtained automatically on another Lucid computer).
[07:00] <aeon17x> I would've filed a bug about empathy on launchpad but it said it does not use launchpad for bug tracking...
[07:01] <iconmefisto> bullgard4: apt-cache search plymouth-theme  to list what's in repos. or maybe you just need to update the one you have now, plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo
[07:02] <bullgard4> aeon17x: Contact List > Edit > Accounts > Add > Protocol > (select) IRC.
[07:03] <aeon17x> bullgard4: The Add button doesn't appear
[07:03] <aeon17x> What I get is a Messaging and VoIP Accounts Assistant
[07:03] <aeon17x> And in the kinds of chat accounts, it doesn't list IRC
[07:05] <bullgard4> aeon17x: May be this assistant only appears for the first time. Try to establish first a Jabber account and secondly an IRC account. May be this helps to bring up the 'Add' button.
[07:06] <bullgard4> aeon17x: Are you able to bring up the 'Messaging and VoIP Accounts'?
[07:06] <theadmin> May I ask whether upgrading will install various crap (i.e. empathy) that I removed in Karmic?
[07:06] <bullgard4> aeon17x: Are you able to bring up the 'Messaging and VoIP Accounts' window?
[07:07] <bullgard4> theadmin: Empathy is no crap.
[07:07] <aeon17x> bullgard4: Yes, that's what appears for me.
[07:07] <theadmin> bullgard4: Tastes differ. Sorry if I hurt your feelings or something.
[07:07] <aeon17x> Personally I find empathy okay, it gets me into IRC before
[07:07] <aeon17x> In karmic
[07:07] <bullgard4> theadmin: For the next time start thinking before writing.
[07:08] <theadmin> bullgard4: Uh, look, I said sorry, no point in keeping explaining further
[07:09] <theadmin> By the way why upgrading removes usplash? o_O
[07:10] <aeon17x> bullgard4: It doesn't have an IRC option in the list.
[07:10] <aeon17x> And I don't have a Jabber account either...
[07:11] <theadmin> aeon17x: Maybe you do, by the way, but just don't know :D Many services use jabber, such as GMail.
[07:11] <theadmin> sed s/GMail/Gtalk
[07:11] <bullgard4> aeon17x: On the left-hand pane below a large field there are 4 rectangular buttons: Add, Remove, Import... and Help. --  How does it look with you?
[07:11] <iconmefisto> theadmin: usplash is replaced by plymouth in lucid
[07:12] <aeon17x> bullgard4: I don't get to that part, whenever I click on Edit > Accounts I'm faced with the Messaging and VoIP Accounts Assistant dialog
[07:12] <theadmin> iconmefisto: Thanks a lot. Is this just another name change or something better (or worse, like the case with gdm2)
[07:12] <aeon17x> theadmin: I'll try that :)
[07:13] <vega> empathy still lacks room listing for isntance, that pidgin has
[07:13] <bullgard4> aeon17x: I suggested that you create a Jabber account first. Even if you do not have one yet. Just to overcome this assistant.
[07:13] <iconmefisto> theadmin: better, but problematic for some (usually depending on video hardware)
[07:13] <vega> so you have to just know the room name to join one
[07:13] <iconmefisto> !plymouth | theadmin
[07:13] <theadmin> iconmefisto: If it's just a bootsplash I can live without it :D
[07:15] <iconmefisto> theadmin: remove "splash" from grub kernel line to disable it. I don't think you can uninstall plymouth
[07:15] <vega> wonder if it makes the boot any faster when disabling splash
[07:15] <theadmin> iconmefisto: I mean, if it starts on causing problems, I can probably live without it :D And I think you don't just remove "splash" but replace it with "nosplash"
[07:15] <iconmefisto> theadmin: plenty of youtube videos showing what it's like, if you're curious
[07:16] <theadmin> iconmefisto: Thanks but I'll better see myself :D
[07:16] <theadmin> In 5 hours. Can wait this long :D
[07:16] <iconmefisto> theadmin: removing splash or replacing it with nosplash, same result
[07:17] <nishanth_> anyone know why plymouth does not show the animation during boot up?
[07:18] <theadmin> oh... god. It disabled the pidgin and vlc repos :/
[07:18] <aeon17x> bullgard4: alrighty, the IRC option appears when I already have one other account in empathy
[07:19] <bullgard4> aeon17x: So your problem ist solved?
[07:19] <bullgard4> aeon17x: So your problem is solved?
[07:20] <aeon17x> bullgard4: yeah, I think I'll try it out with empathy now.
[07:20] <aeon17x> brb logging in to IRC with empathy
[07:20] <bullgard4> Good
[07:20] <theadmin> I wonder if Lucid is any "easier" to use then Karmic, a friend of mine claimed Ubuntu is "too complicated"
[07:21] <vega> no big difference there
[07:22] <aeon17x> thanks for the help bullgard4 :)
[07:22] <vega> most often a question that you are used to windows or something like that..
[07:22] <bullgard4> aeon17x: Enjoy Ubuntu!
[07:26] <theadmin> vega: Well, he complained that there is no "Getting started" or "Tutorial" of some kind on first start %) He's more-or-less fine with Linux Mint currently
[07:26] <theadmin> Although he ridiculously tries to avoid the terminal
[07:27] <iconmefisto> there's an ubuntu manual coming for lucid
[07:28] <aeon17x> I like how new replies appear so smoothly in empathy
[07:28] <aeon17x> It's kinda relaxing
[07:28] <theadmin> iconmefisto: Coming? It's not there yet, as I understand?
[07:30] <bullgard4> iconmefisto: http://yourpaste.net/5231/apt-cache_search_plymouth-theme
[07:31] <iconmefisto> theadmin: last I checked it was still being worked on. I guess they want to wait till release, so that all the details are correct in case of minor last-minute changes
[07:32] <DanaG> argh, pavucontrol over ssh controls the client's pulseaudio, not the server's.
[07:32] <theadmin> iconmefisto: I see. Well, it's not very important to me, but for others might be a great help in starting their Linux experience
[07:36] <narselon> I just upgraded to lucid yesterday and my wifi has been really flakey
[07:37] <theadmin> really... what?
[07:37] <nishanth_> anyone know why plymouth does not show the animation during boot up?
[07:38] <narselon> randomly i lose my connection and i can only get it back if i shut off wifi and turn it back on
[07:38] <narselon> this has never been a problem until yesterday
[07:38] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[07:39] <Take0n> hello room
[07:40] <ActionParsnip> Quiet, I thought this place would be on fire
[07:40] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: :P It's not #ubuntu, is it
[07:40] <Ken8521> Blue11, thats really good to hear.
[07:40] <ActionParsnip> Theadmin: it has its days
[07:41] <Take0n> I have a problem with nm-applet and ubuntu lucid. When I first installed lucid beta1 I didn't have any problems but after some upgrades I did, the icon disappeared from the panel. I have reinstalled network-manager-gnome using sudo apt-get install --reinstall network-manager-gnome but I still can't see the icon on the panel
[07:41] <iconmefisto> Take0n: does nm-applet start it?
[07:41] <ActionParsnip> Taken: if you kill then rerun nm-applet does it reappear
[07:41] <Take0n> let me try
[07:42] <Take0n> how should I kill it? sudo killall nm-applet ?
[07:42] <ActionParsnip> Take0n: it should run as your user so sudo isn't needed
[07:42] <Take0n> antonis@ubuntu:~$ killall nm-applet
[07:42] <Take0n> nm-applet: no process found
[07:42] <ActionParsnip> Take0n: you only need sudo if the process is owned by another user
[07:42] <ddecator> try running it =)
[07:42] <Take0n> ok so now I will try to run it
[07:42] <ActionParsnip> Take0n: what ddecator said
[07:43] <Take0n> ** (nm-applet:1926): DEBUG: old state indicates that this was not a disconnect 0
[07:43] <Take0n> ** (nm-applet:1926): DEBUG: old state indicates that this was not a disconnect 0
[07:43] <Take0n> but nothing happens
[07:43] <ActionParsnip> Take0n: are there any lucid bugs logged with that text in?
[07:43] <Daijoubu> is there a way to upload HD videos to youtube and using which app? I tried encoding mvoies with libx264 but youtube rejects them with Failed (unable to convert video file) every time :(.If this is not the place for this question can you tell me where to ask it please :/
[07:43] <ddecator> Take0n: do you have Network Manager in your startup applications with 'nm-applet --sm-disable' as the command?
[07:44] <Take0n> ddecator, let me se
[07:44] <Take0n> see*
[07:44] <red2kic> Daijoubu: Try #ffmpeg ?
[07:44] <Take0n> yes I do, but it is disabled
[07:45] <Daijoubu> red2kic ok thanks ._.
[07:45] <Take0n> Daijoubu, try mpeg4
[07:45] <red2kic> Daijoubu: You shouldn't encode the movies and upload them to YouTube.  ._.
[07:46] <theadmin> Try converting them to a Vorbis (or Theora?) codec if possible, it eats those
[07:46] <ddecator> Take0n: what happens if you run 'nm-applet --sm-disable'?
[07:46] <Take0n> ddecator, also, I installed wicd which runs at startup (instead of network manager I guess, since it is disabled) should I remove wicd and re-enable network manager?
[07:46] <Daijoubu> red2kic well how do you edit 4 clips in one and upload them to youtube without the app encoding them?
[07:46] <ddecator> Take0n: er, idk what wicd is, haha
[07:46] <theadmin> ddecator: A nice replacement for gnome's networkmanager
[07:46] <Take0n> it's a network manager, installed it since I had problems managing my network connections
[07:47] <Take0n> but I prefer nm
[07:47] <ddecator> idk, not sure which would work better. i haven't had any issues with the default network manager
[07:47] <ActionParsnip> Take0n: wicd is awesome
[07:47] <red2kic> Daijoubu: Okay. That's not a movie, I suppose. :)  Do try the channel -- It's swiss knife of encoding.
[07:47] <topyli> Take0n, afaik wicd conflicts with network-manager. if you installed it, it probably removed n-m
[07:47] <Take0n> ActionParsnip, it would be if it had an applet
[07:47] <Take0n> :p
[07:47] <ActionParsnip> Take0n: launch wicd from an alt+f2 dialogue and configure away
[07:48] <Take0n> topyli, I guess it did but when I reinstalled n-m shouldn't wicd uninstall?
[07:48] <topyli> i guess
[07:48] <topyli> sounds like a packaging bug
[07:48] <ActionParsnip> Topyli: the install of wicd uninstall network manager automagically
[07:48] <ddecator> but reinstalling nm apparently doesn't uninstall wicd automagically?
[07:49] <topyli> ActionParsnip, yes, like i said :)
[07:49] <Take0n> it doesn't
[07:49] <ddecator> Take0n: well i guess pick one and run with it =p
[07:49] <Take0n> I disabled wicd at startup apps and enabled nm
[07:49] <Take0n> the problem is, it won't run
[07:49] <Take0n> I killed wicd and tried to run nm but still no applet
[07:50] <Ken8521> Take0n, why woudl you want wicd and nm-applet installed at the same time?
[07:50] <ddecator> huh, i just noticed i'm connected to auto eth0 but auto ethernet is available o.o
[07:50] <ActionParsnip> Take0n: then rip out wicd, you can use cli to configure lan in between (or use your install cd to install network manager)
[07:51] <Take0n> Ken8521, as I said, nm stopped working after an upgrade I did in lucid, so I had to either manually run dhclient eth0 to get online or I had to install wicd since nm wouldn't work
[07:51] <narselon> what exactly would installing wireless backports do?
[07:51] <topyli> Take0n, maybe your applets have nowhere to go. are you sure there is a notification area on your panel?
[07:51] <ddecator> Take0n: recent updates?
[07:51] <Ken8521> Take0n, did you uninstall wicd before reinstalling nm-applet?
[07:51] <Take0n> topyli, yes I am pretty sure
[07:52] <ddecator> is nm-applet in the notification area now? i thought only sound applet switched
[07:52] <CPrgmSwR2> Hi is there a known issue with the bcw34xx wireless drivers
[07:52] <Take0n> ddecator, well, 2-3 weeks ago
[07:52] <Take0n> Ken8521, no so I will uninstall everything now
[07:52] <Take0n> and reinstall nm
[07:52] <CPrgmSwR2> the wireless card does not work with kubuntu 10.04
[07:52] <Take0n> and hope for the best :P
[07:52] <ActionParsnip> !broadcom
[07:53] <CPrgmSwR2> It was working in 9.10
[07:53] <ActionParsnip> Cprgmswr2: try that link. Have you searched the bugs?
[07:53] <SandGorgon> CPrgmSwR2, you need to install the broadcom STA driver
[07:53] <Ken8521> Take0n, reason i ask.. is installing wicd, automaticdally uninstalls nm-applet, so this leads me to believe there's possibly a conflict between the two... you having both installed, might be the issue
[07:53] <CPrgmSwR2> SandGorgon: those drivers are already installed
[07:54] <ActionParsnip> Wicd is awesome imho but I use the interfaces file for my servers for speed and simplicity
[07:54] <Take0n> Ken8521, I know but the reason I installed wicd in first place was because nm stopped working. but I will try uninstalling both, logout login and install nm
[07:54] <Take0n> or do I have to relogin?
[07:54] <theadmin> wicd is very nice but I stay with nm because it handles VPN
[07:54] <SandGorgon> CPrgmSwR2, ahh.. I'm on Kubuntu 10.04 as well and BCM4312 works fine
[07:55] <ActionParsnip> Theadmin: I think wicd can too but if what you got works then id say sit on it :)
[07:55] <theadmin> ActionParsnip: :D My thoughts exactly
[07:56] <SandGorgon> does anybody have the .33 or .34 kernel installed ? How did you go about it
[07:56] <CPrgmSwR2> SandGorgon: Thats great... must mean my computer is getting to the point of being not supported by linux
[07:56] <CPrgmSwR2> SandGorgon: 2 years ago I lost sound out of my speakers on my laptop
[07:56] <theadmin> Upgrading from 10.04 to 10.10 most likely would be a huge pain :/ I'd better do a clean install when Maverick RC is out
[07:57] <Take0n> ok.. now I got an icon but I am not sure what it is :p
[07:57] <Take0n> lol awesome
[07:57] <SandGorgon> CPrgmSwR2, sigh.. tell me about it. However, Broadcom is generally well supported. I suggest you install B43 fwcutter and see if it works (uninstall STA first)
[07:57] <Ken8521> Take0n, right click/about
[07:58] <CPrgmSwR2> SandGorgon: linux has the advantage of being fast and responsive
[07:58] <teflon> i have installed lucid with life stick, but the installation doesn't start. how can i find the reason? karmic runs well
[07:58] <Take0n> there is no about
[07:59] <jhardin> Hi quick question(I hope). On the new RC when I first ran it empathy showed new messages with a green mail icon that also included evolution mail stuff
[07:59] <jhardin> Now it's gone
[07:59] <CPrgmSwR2> SandGorgon: I am probably going to just buy a mac and move on to a mac
[07:59] <jhardin> Is there a way to get it back combining those two?
[07:59] <balachmar> Hi, I'm trying to update, but I get the following error when using apt-get dist-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/DJZV2ejp
[07:59] <balachmar> Any help on fixing this issue is greatly appreciated
[08:00] <ddecator> that looks like a fun error..
[08:01] <Take0n> Ken8521, http://94.255.222.0/panel.png
[08:01] <balachmar> ddecator: Well it is less fun as you may think :)
[08:01] <ddecator> i would imagine =p
[08:01] <Take0n> it's the one between shutter and "swe"
[08:01] <pilica_36> Hi ! I want to install on Ubuntu 10 RC the SunJava but I could not see on Software Center. I remember that it was there on Ubuntu 9.x but on this version of Ubuntu, is it not supporting ?
[08:01] <jhardin> Take0n: How do you get that mail icon in the taskbar?
[08:01] <pilica_36> I am using 64 bit.
[08:01] <balachmar> pilica_36 maybe you need to enable multiverse?
[08:02] <Take0n> jhardin, it was there since the beginning (in lucid)
[08:02] <espen77> strange...using a lot of ram now: 1.6GB RAM + 600 MB Swap, not running much
[08:02] <pilica_36> multiverse ? what it is ?
[08:02] <jhardin> Dang. Mine had it on first boot but now it's gone.
[08:02] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[08:02] <ddecator> pilica_36: maybe try icedtea
[08:02] <sinistrad> Hi ActionParsnip
[08:03] <perscitus> Nice work on the memory fix  guys
[08:03] <ddecator> jhardin: it's part of the indicator applet
[08:04] <Take0n> but what is that network manager icon I got after reinstalling network-manager-gnome ?
[08:04] <ActionParsnip> Perscitus: what memory fix....
[08:04] <balachmar> pilica_36 nevermind, it should be in the main repository. Search for sun-java or something like that
[08:04] <ActionParsnip> Hahahaha
[08:04] <perscitus> memory leak
[08:04] <Take0n> It wasn't like that nor should it be like that :P
[08:04] <jhardin> ddecator is there a way to get that and empathy to play nice again?
[08:04] <pilica_36> I try to install from synaptic manager but there are a few packages for results of "sun java"
[08:04] <ddecator> jhardin: how was empathy not playing nice?
[08:04] <Take0n> jhardin, empathy is default client in lucid so it should play nice
[08:04] <ActionParsnip> Perscitus: was a joke ;)
[08:05] <perscitus> ActionParsnip,   You're just making fun of the fact i forgot leak word.
[08:05] <jhardin> Empathy has a separate green bubble, but only if I open the settings, click off show bubble, then back on
[08:05] <jhardin> I'd like for it to show up with that indicator applet again
[08:05] <ddecator> jhardin: and that didn't work? i just use the MeMenu with empathy
[08:05] <jakexks> pilica_36, sun-java6
[08:06] <ActionParsnip> Percitus: no, the fact that the memory leak was cured and I appeared to forget...
[08:06] <jhardin> Well when first started it shows the little menu that has my name and status and options 3 labels(chat accounts, broadcast accounts, ubuntu one)
[08:06] <jhardin> but that is all it showed
[08:06] <theadmin> by the way does Me Menu support Pidgin?
[08:06] <ddecator> jhardin: right, that's the envelope...
[08:07] <ddecator> theadmin: i believe so
[08:07] <theadmin> ddecator: Thanks
[08:07] <pilica_36> there is no "sun-java6" .
[08:07] <jhardin> Yes, I have that, though it doesn't show when messages come in at all
[08:07] <ddecator> theadmin: didn't originally, but now it does (i read that somewhere...)
[08:07] <jhardin> nor contacts or anything
[08:07] <ddecator> jhardin: it's not supposed to, haha
[08:07] <theadmin> pilica_36: If i recall properly, it was sun-java6-plugin in karmic... just do "sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin"
[08:07] <ddecator> well, messages maybe..
[08:07] <jhardin> It doesn't show messages either
[08:07] <ActionParsnip> !java | pilica_36
[08:07] <ddecator> jhardin: i think messages only show up in there if empathy isn't focused
[08:08] <balachmar> Hi, I'm trying to update, but I get the following error when using apt-get dist-upgrade: http://pastebin.com/DJZV2ejp
[08:08] <jhardin> I had someone msg me, clicked on a different window(firefox) and it still didn't show anything
[08:08] <jakexks> pilica_36, no, but there probably is sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-jdk
[08:08] <jhardin> Could I inquire what you have set under notifications on yours?
[08:08] <jhardin> in empathy itself I mean
[08:09] <ddecator> jhardin: er, let me start it a sec..
[08:09] <ddecator> jhardin: well i have "show incoming messages in the messaging menu" selected, but i haven't paid attention to whether or not it works properly
[08:10] <jhardin> Hmm ok thats what I have set(plus enable bubble notifications)
[08:10] <ddecator> right, same
[08:10] <ddecator> i get a notify-osd popup when i get a new message, so i just follow that instead of using that menu..
[08:10] <jhardin> I do get a little green bubble on upper right part that shows msgs incoming(which will work if I can't set it back up correctly) but I wanted it to be grouped with evolution messages again
[08:11] <jhardin> I get the osd popup also, though can't click it at all
[08:11] <ddecator> right, that's not integrated yet (i think it's proposed though..)
[08:11] <jhardin> the osd or the evolution thing?
[08:11] <pilica_36> oh ! :( i could not understand any think :( it is good to install OpenJDK on Ubuntu 10 64 bit ?
[08:11] <ddecator> osd being clickable
[08:12] <jhardin> ok, I can live with that for now
[08:12] <jhardin> Just kinda wanting all incoming msgs to get notified with evolution stuff like it was on first run
[08:12] <ddecator> pilica_36: yes. i used icedtea, but openjdk should work fine
[08:12] <ActionParsnip> Pilica_36: if you need it then sure
[08:12] <pilica_36> but sun java is better ?
[08:12] <ddecator> should work the same
[08:13] <ActionParsnip> Pilica_36: I use the sun 64bit java here, runs well
[08:13] <pilica_36> i need it for web plug-in eclipse and jdownloader.
[08:13] <espen77> my netbank requires sun-java, so there are some difference
[08:13] <jhardin> Well right now empathy has it's own little notification thing, and evolution doesn't have one at all
[08:13] <pilica_36> ActionParsnip:  how did you installed it ?
[08:13] <ddecator> balachmar: what are you trying to update? just running a routine update, or are you trying to upgrade?
[08:14] <ddecator> jhardin: i don't use evolution, so idk how that works
[08:14] <Ken8521> pilica_36, the 32bit version is in the repos, i can only assume the 64bit is as well
[08:14] <iconmefisto> pilica_36: I think sun java is in the ubuntu partners repo now
[08:14] <ActionParsnip> Pilica_36: grab the 64bit bin from www.java.com and put it in /opt. Mark it executable and run it then link the .so file to your browsers plugin directory
[08:14] <iconmefisto> pilica_36: make sure that is enabled
[08:15] <ActionParsnip> Iconmefisto: is it the 32bit on + nspluginwrapper still?
[08:15] <iconmefisto> ActionParsnip: I don't know
[08:15] <Ken8521> !java64
[08:15] <pilica_36> im sorry. my english is bad. please just tell me how to install on ubuntu 64 bit the sunJava. (on google writes that install sun-java6-jre and sun-java6-plugin but they are not on synaptic manager ?1 :( )
[08:16] <theadmin> pilica_36: You never mentioned you have 64-bit.
[08:16] <Ken8521> ActionParsnip, i think that link is dated.
[08:16] <ddecator> pilica_36: shows up for me in the software center
[08:16] <ActionParsnip> Iconmefisto: the 64bit one just runs, the 32bit one on 64bit needs the extra thing
[08:16] <ddecator> pilica_36: let me see what repo it is in..
[08:16] <ActionParsnip> Ken8521: I don't use the link. I use skills
[08:17] <Ken8521> ActionParsnip, i was just pointing to it.
[08:17] <ActionParsnip> No worries
[08:17] <Ken8521> cuz there was a question whether it was available.
[08:17] <pilica_36> repo ?
[08:17] <ActionParsnip> Pilica_36: if you look in the launchpad answers I have advised users on how to do this
[08:17] <pilica_36> everything is default ...
[08:18] <pilica_36> ok
[08:18] <pilica_36> i will read them. ...thank you!
[08:18] <ActionParsnip> Pilica_36: a repo is a repository which is where the apps and updates come from
[08:18] <ddecator> doesn't say which repo...
[08:18] <pilica_36> i don't know which is my repo. but i am sure that everything is default on my ubuntu. i install it now...
[08:19] <ActionParsnip> Pilica_36: but you need to download the 64bit bin file from www.java.com
[08:19] <ddecator> ActionParsnip: i never had to
[08:19] <Ken8521> ddecator, are you using 32 or 64bit?
[08:19] <jhardin> Hmm ok evolution pops up the osd thing for a new message, but nothing on teh taskbar
[08:19] <ddecator> Ken8521: 64
[08:19] <jhardin> is there a program I can check to see if the notification area thing is running?
[08:19] <Ken8521> ok.
[08:19] <ActionParsnip> Ddecator: for native 64bit java. Not the 32bit + nspluginwrapper?
[08:19] <pilica_36> ok thank you again!
[08:20] <ddecator> ActionParsnip: idk. sun-java6-plugin. runs fine for me
[08:20] <ActionParsnip> Ddecator: yep that's 32bit running via nspluginwrapper
[08:21] <ddecator> ActionParsnip: either way, works for me =p
[08:21] <ddecator> i use flash with nspluginwrapper just fine as well
[08:21] <DanaG> Now I use native 64-bit under the non-crashy 3.6.5pre.
[08:21] <ActionParsnip> Ddecator: its the same with flashplugin-nonfree 32bit + abstraction
[08:22] <ddecator> i've had the same quality with native flash and flash + nspluginwrapper with FF 3.7
[08:22] <ddecator> ActionParsnip: right
[08:23] <DanaG> Now, how about flash + nspluginwrapper + that new firefox? =þ
[08:23] <DanaG> Two layers of isolation, for no good reason.
[08:23] <ddecator> flash + nspluginwrapper would still crash FF before, haha
[08:23] <ActionParsnip> Ddecator: I find native plugins tend to be smoother but if you are happy then stick with it
[08:23] <ddecator> i still need to re-enable lorentz...
[08:24] <Take0n> back
[08:24] <DanaG> Now we just need Lorentz to show Adobe's corporate logo, or the Flash logo.
[08:24] <ddecator> ActionParsnip: i know they generally are, but i tried both and the performance was the same...both fine with video, crappy with games =\
[08:24] <Take0n> jhardin, empathy did have it's icon but that disappeared after some upgrades I did now there is no empathy icon :P
[08:24] <ActionParsnip> Ddecator: I've found nvidia makes flash a lot nicer :)
[08:24] <ddecator> Take0n: the one on the top panel?
[08:24] <ddecator> ActionParsnip: that's what i have
[08:25] <Take0n> ddecator, yes
[08:25] <ddecator> Take0n: i think it's just disabled by default now
[08:25] <jhardin> I'd like to go back to it being disabled and merged with the other event notification stuff
[08:25] <Take0n> jhardin, it's just how it is now
[08:25] <Take0n> ddecator, oh I see.. well, as long as there is no icon by default
[08:26] <jhardin> Is there a place where I can configure the notification system?
[08:26] <ddecator> i don't think there is a gui yet..
[08:28] <Take0n> ddecator, do you maybe know what that strange network icon I got on my panel is?
[08:28] <jhardin> Take0n is it a little up down arrow?
[08:28] <ddecator> Take0n: i've honestly never seen it. does anything happen when you left-click it?
[08:28] <Take0n> I uninstalled both wicd and nm and reinstalled nm then I got a strange ugly icon that has no about or anything else
[08:28] <Take0n> a menu shows but nothing works..
[08:29] <ddecator> a menu for what?
[08:29] <ddecator> for networks?
[08:29] <Take0n> Connect > and then a submenu opens that says scanning.. but never change
[08:29] <Take0n> Connection info that does nothing
[08:29] <Take0n> and quit
[08:29] <ddecator> and quit? o.o
[08:29] <Take0n> yeap
[08:29] <Take0n> QUit ctrl+q
[08:29] <ddecator> is there a right-click About option?
[08:30] <Take0n> the menu I just told you about opens with right click
[08:30] <Take0n> when I left click nothing happens
[08:30] <Take0n> nor with double click
[08:30] <ddecator> that's not the nm applet i have...
[08:30] <Take0n> I know :\
[08:31] <ddecator> it sounds like there is something else installed that's trying to manage your connections...
[08:31] <Take0n> not as far as I know
[08:31] <Take0n> how can I check?
[08:32] <ddecator> that's what i'm wondering..
[08:32] <ddecator> does 'top' show anything extra running?
[08:32] <jhardin> yay I figured it out
[08:32] <jhardin> It was the indicator applet I wanted
[08:32] <jhardin> I had it running, but wasn't showing mail icon, i removed and readded it and now it is
[08:33] <ddecator> jhardin: right. i didn't say that earlier?
[08:33] <jhardin> heh nah said notification area
[08:33] <ddecator> oh, i thought i said indicator applet, haha
[08:34] <jhardin> But irregardless I had indicator applet running, it just wasn't showing the mail thing. Weird
[08:34] <Take0n> what is netns ?
[08:34] <ddecator> could of just been a glitch after an update or something
[08:34] <ddecator> Take0n: uh, good question..
[08:35] <Take0n> let my try to relogin
[08:35] <Take0n> to see if there will be any changes
[08:35] <Take0n> this is for sure the last time I installed a beta version though :P
[08:35] <Take0n> never again
[08:35] <Take0n> brb
[08:36] <ddecator> Take0n: heh, it has been stable for me from the start...except for plymouth...
[08:38] <ddecator> heh, hopefully he can get online after the reboot...
[08:38] <jhardin> heh
[08:38] <ddecator> i can't find anything on 'netns'
[08:38] <jhardin> it's running on my system
[08:38] <Take0n> sweet everything works now!!
[08:39] <ddecator> Take0n: good deal!
[08:39] <ddecator> i don't have netns on my system..
[08:39] <ddecator> at least not with ethernet
[08:39] <Take0n> I don't know what netns is but it was running
[08:39] <ddecator> oh well, at least everything works now
[08:39] <Take0n> now I have to make a monochrome xchat icon :p
[08:40] <Take0n> yeah back to normal!!
[08:40] <Take0n> thanks
[08:40] <jhardin> Linux network namespaces (netns) is a lightweight container-based virtualization that is part of the mainline 2.6.27+ Linux kernel. A virtual network stack can be associated with a process group
[08:40] <ddecator> pft, xchat, i remember those days =p
[08:40] <ddecator> Take0n: np =)
[08:40] <jhardin> Thats from code.google.com
[08:40] <ddecator> what the...i searched for it and nothing useful came back -_-
[08:40] <jhardin> I searched ubuntu netns  then its the 6th link
[08:41] <ddecator> that's what i searched, haha
[08:41] <Take0n> ddecator, I use irssi as main irc app but I have to configure it.. forgot to save my config :P
[08:41] <ddecator> oh, there it is..
[08:41] <ddecator> Take0n: irssi ftw
[08:41] <Take0n> indeed
[08:42] <Andy80> hi
[08:43] <Andy80> in beta2 release notes, there was this bug in the known issues: https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/557429 now the bug is not written in the RC release notes, but if you check the bug on launchpad is not fixed yet! I've reported this on ubuntuforums too. Any idea? Thanks
[08:43] <ddecator> well it's triaged at least
[08:44] <ddecator> not really much you can do other than hope the devs address it soon. unless you want to make a patch for them =)
[08:44] <ddecator> oh, jamie is good about this stuff
[08:45] <ddecator> it should get done =)
[08:50] <Andy80> jamie.... bennet?
[08:51] <ddecator> jamie bennet?
[08:52] <Andy80> you said: jamie is good at... :)
[08:52] <Andy80> I just asked if we're talking about the same person :P
[08:53] <balachmar> ddecator: I am just trying to get my machine up to date when I get this error: http://pastebin.com/DJZV2ejp
[08:54] <ddecator> Andy80: not so much, haha. plus it looks like they determined that the fix will be an update after the release (from some of the comments i read, i didn't read all of them in detail)
[08:54] <ddecator> balachmar: how are you updating?
[08:55] <balachmar> ddecator: sudo apt-get upgrade, fails and suggests: using -f, so I did that
[08:55] <ddecator> ah, so that suggest broken dependencies...what happens if you use aptitude?
[08:56] <ddecator> suggests*
[08:58] <ddecator> balachmar: ^^
[08:59] <balachmar> ddecator: Well, I just retried and it is downloading tex fonts which take a while. Will try again using aptitude after this has finished
[08:59] <ddecator> balachmar: sure thing
[09:00] <teflon> i have installed lucid with life stick, but the installation doesn't start. how can i find the reason? karmic runs well
[09:02] <jhardin> So any repositories in particular I should add?
[09:03] <ddecator> jhardin: depends on personal preferences really
[09:03] <ddecator> teflon: i'm not familiar with life stick
[09:03] <jhardin> I suppose my question then is what are some useful repositories
[09:03] <teflon> the prroblem is not the life stick imho
[09:03] <teflon> that one was doing well
[09:04] <balachmar> ddecator: What is it you want me to do in aptitude?
[09:04] <ddecator> teflon: well can you be more specific about what happens?
[09:04] <teflon> the installation was finished, bt i cant start it
[09:05] <ddecator> balachmar: "sudo aptitude upgrade"
[09:05] <ddecator> teflon: well, do you see grub?
[09:05] <teflon> the installation said, restart your computer, i restart, it stops after a few seconds
[09:05] <balachmar> ddecator: same result
[09:05] <teflon> some hundred lines when i use verbose output
[09:06] <ddecator> jhardin: i have main/universe/multiverse/restricted, then some PPAs...
[09:06] <ddecator> teflon: so you get output?
[09:06] <jhardin> ppa?
[09:06] <ddecator> balachmar: do you have perl installed?
[09:06] <ddecator> jhardin: Personal Package Archives. kind of like mini-repos
[09:06] <teflon> yes, but then black screen
[09:07] <jhardin> ahh ok
[09:07] <ddecator> teflon: how did you install?
[09:07] <balachmar> ddecator: yes, it is a standard package
[09:07] <ddecator> balachmar: right, doesn't hurt to ask though, haha
[09:07] <teflon> on a usb harddrive
[09:07] <ddecator> teflon: can you use that usb drive and boot into a live session?
[09:08] <teflon> yes, i installed from that life session
[09:08] <ddecator> hm..
[09:08] <ddecator> balachmar: do you know what it's trying to do when you get that error? is there output above that?
[09:08] <teflon> i tried it even twice...
[09:09] <ddecator> teflon: and it stays blank and inactive for serveral minutes?
[09:09] <teflon> yes
[09:10] <teflon> there is nothing happening any more, more access to hd
[09:10] <balachmar> This is the entire output of sudo aptitude upgrade: http://pastebin.com/cJcJMyaZ
[09:10] <ddecator> teflon: is there a cursor or is the screen completely blank?
[09:11] <teflon> hm, there might be a cursor, im not sure
[09:11] <BUGabundo_remote> TGIF \m/
[09:11] <teflon> but no alt ctrl f1
[09:12] <ddecator> BUGabundo_remote: +1
[09:12] <ddecator> teflon: i'm just wondering if it possibly booted into a session with no X
[09:13] <ddecator> balachmar: when did you start getting the error?
[09:13] <teflon> how can i find out? then i should have a console, is it not?
[09:13] <balachmar> yesterday or the day before.
[09:13] <ddecator> teflon: yes, you'd be able to type commands, but if the screen is completely blank then it'd likely be something else
[09:14] <ddecator> BUGabundo_remote: you any good with install errors?
[09:14] <balachmar> 21 april :)
[09:14] <teflon> i cant type commands
[09:14] <BUGabundo_remote> naaaa
[09:14] <ddecator> neither am i...
[09:14] <ddecator> balachmar: sorry, i'm at a loss =\
[09:16] <ddecator> teflon: unfortunately it is hard to know what is wrong without having any kinds of error messages to go on, and idk how you would potentially access the output that you see before the blank screen
[09:16] <balachmar> aah, no worries. I'll fsck the partition. and I will try to find the mentioned file... And if all else fails, just reinstall. It is no biggy since the home is on a separate partition.
[09:16] <teflon> ok, i try to catch this. what can i do with that output
[09:17] <ddecator> teflon: if you can, a pastebin of the output would be helpful
[09:17] <ddecator> balachmar: you can try reinstalling debconf to see if that helps
[09:18] <balachmar> already tried that, doesn't work
[09:18] <balachmar> by the way it mentions that it is not able to find: Debconf/Log.pm however, it should, because it is in the right directory
[09:18] <ddecator> that's very odd..
[09:19] <ddecator> maybe reinstall perl and perl-base as well, see if that helps
[09:20] <balachmar> Wait, could you check if /usr/share/perl5/Debconf/Log.pm is a file or a dir on your system?
[09:20] <balachmar> On my system it seems to think that it is a directory...
[09:21] <ddecator> it's a file
[09:21] <Reckon> morning
[09:22] <ddecator> morning Reckon
[09:22] <ddecator> it most certainly is morning...why am i still on at 3:22am?
[09:24] <ddecator> right, i should get to bed, haha
[09:24] <Reckon> yea, probably that
[09:24] <ddecator> good luck balachmar and teflon
[09:24] <Reckon> it's morning in the EU zone
[09:25] <teflon> thx :)
[09:25] <ddecator> i swear, with my schedule i do more work with australians and europeans than i do americans, and i'm in the middle of the country..
[09:26] <ddecator> anyway, good night/morning/afternoon/whateveritiswhereyouare =)
[09:26] <balachmar> see you, thanks for the help
[09:27] <droid> anyone having issues with nswrapper and flash
[09:28] <ddecator> droid: what issue (if it's what i'm thinking, i can point you in the right direction before i leave)
[09:29] <gartral|P> ddecator flash is keeping dpkg --configure -a from completing
[09:30] <ddecator> gartral|P: can't say i've ever run into that. and it's not what i thought you might ask about, so i'm gonna go ahead and let someone else help you, haha. good luck =)
[09:30] <gartral|P> gee, thanks.
[09:30] <ddecator> sorry, it's 3:30am and i need to get to sleep. i'd help otherwise
[09:31] <pilica_36>  Hi ! I am using U10 RC . I remove from panel the "sound controller" . How to bring it back ?
[09:31] <gartral|P> its ok, i understand, thank you
[09:33] <pilica_36> i mean the sound icon has removed by me from panel . I don't know how to show it again.
[09:42] <gartral|P> send to log isnt (foobar -o > ./bingbash.txt) isnt capturing all output.. what am i doing wrong?
[09:43] <gartral|P> !ops | ph8
[09:45] <bp0> ha.
[09:45] <gartral|P> bp0 huh?
[09:45] <bp0> thats funny
[09:46] <bp0> "channel emergency"
[09:46] <bp0> thats funny
[09:47] <yofel> gartral|P: what are you trying to do? '>' only redirects stdout, not stderr
[09:49] <yofel> gartral|P: use '2>' if you want to redirect stderr to the file or '>&' to redirect both into the file
[09:54] <tsimpson> yoasif: it's &> not >&
[09:55] <tsimpson> bp0: ^ too
[09:55] <tsimpson> command &> my_log.txt
[09:56] <yofel> tsimpson: well, both work the same for me
[09:56] <tsimpson> I think the second form is more of a bash extension, but if it works who cares :)
[09:57] <gartral|P> pastebin.com/1mfVHLzV
[09:59] <bradpitt> hi. i cant view special character, it only view as � http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2075532/UBUNTU/Ubuntu%20Screenshot/failed.png
[09:59] <yofel> well, I do think that's bash, for dash you need to use the long syntax
[10:03] <gartral|P> can someone look at that paste please. im lost.
[10:04] <yofel> gartral|P: please always post full http:// links, I didn't even realise that that was supposed to be a link
[10:05] <gartral|P> yofel all i have for irc is my droid. i literally have to type everything
[10:05] <yofel> oh, you're 'droid' ?
[10:06] <gartral|P> yes
[10:06] <balachmar> How can I make apt-get or dpkg install a package completely anew? Because I ended up with some file, being a directory so I removed it, but now it does not get installed when reinstalling the package. It is about perl by the way
[10:06] <yofel> that error is odd... the download succeeds, but the unpack seems to fail
[10:06] <balachmar> This is the error I get: http://pastebin.com/cJcJMyaZ
[10:07] <gartral|P> yofel i think i might have removed a flash related package from the list of dependancies..
[10:07] <yofel> gartral|P: do you have enough space left? the file unpacks fine here
[10:08] <gartral|P> yofel yes, but my system also isnt giving me access too the cdroms, so hdd/userspace might be borked. im about to say screw it and reinstall
[10:09] <yofel> something seems to be broken indeed, even the openoffice package from before upgraded fine here
[10:09] <gartral|P> yofel crap. think i should scrap and reinstall?
[10:10] <yofel> maybe, at least I don't know what could be causing this...
[10:10] <joaopinto> I would check lofts first
[10:10] <joaopinto> logs
[10:11] <gartral|P> me doing a dist jump from jaunty probably
[10:11] <joaopinto> actually, a pastebin df first :P
[10:11] <gartral|P> joaopinto what logs?
[10:12] <joaopinto> gartral|P, all logs, at /var/log
[10:12] <joaopinto> but did you check df first ?
[10:12] <gartral|P> yes i have free space
[10:13] <SandGorgon> anybody have kubuntu -  my system mouse click settings are set to "double click to open", however when I get the "file selector" dialog, single click opens folders. Is this a regression ?
[10:13] <SandGorgon> i see this in 10.04
[10:14] <yofel> SandGorgon: let me check
[10:16] <SandGorgon> yofel, in particular I'm seeing this in VLC. However VLC does use KDE file chooser imho
[10:16] <yofel> you mean the 'open file' dialog?
[10:16] <gartral|P> joaopinto which logs should i concentrate on?
[10:16] <SandGorgon> yofel, yup.. also seeing it in k3b
[10:17] <joaopinto> dmesg, syslog
[10:17] <yofel> hm, seems to work fine for me in Kate and VLC after setting "Double-click to open files and folders"
[10:18] <tertitten> the 10.04 beta 2 will automaticly upgrade to the RC right ? or do I need to do update-manager -d ?
[10:18] <gartral|P> joaopinto both are empty, all of the previous iterations as well
[10:18] <yofel> you need to restart the application after chaning that setting though
[10:19] <yofel> tertitten: just make sure you have all updates installed, no need to upgrade
[10:19] <SandGorgon> yofel, seeing it in kate as well...
[10:19] <tertitten> yofel: ok thanks
[10:19] <yofel> SandGorgon: you need to restart the application after chaning that setting though
[10:19] <SandGorgon> yofel, I think I rebooted it after setting it... so should be applicable. I'm opening each application individually now.. so not depending on opened applications
[10:20] <yofel> after setting single click again I have to double click in kate until I restart it
[10:20] <joaopinto> gartral|P, being empty means your disk can't been writen, even because you are out of disk space or there is another failure preventing disk writes
[10:20] <SandGorgon> yofel, is your install an upgrade or a clean install ?
[10:20] <SandGorgon> yofel, mine is a clean install with no pre-existing KDE dirs
[10:20] <yofel> SandGorgon: fresh install of alpha2, upgrade in sense of upgraded from KDE 4.3
[10:21] <gartral|P> joaopinto how is that possible, i can log on. i can run programs that require disk access
[10:21] <yofel> err, alpha1 for this pc
[10:21] <SandGorgon> yofel, dolphin honors the single clicks fine... its the file-chooser that is not honoring it
[10:21] <joaopinto> gartral|P, have you checked the root partition space ?
[10:21] <yofel> odd...
[10:21] <joaopinto> most prograsm don't need space on /, they don't write their
[10:22] <joaopinto> I am assuming you have a separate /home
[10:22] <gartral|P> joaopinto less than 15% according too df
[10:23] <gartral|P> joapinto they are seperate patritioons on the same disk, yes
[10:24] <gartral|P> imma try a aptitude upgrade. aptitude has always been a good last ditch
[10:28] <gartral|P> how do i cancel the request to install a package?
[10:32] <rsk> press no ?
[10:34] <AnAnt> Hello, is there a way to only download a delta instead of the whole .deb files on upgrades ?
[10:34] <joaopinto> gartral|P, aptitudes does not resolve disk problems
[10:35] <joaopinto> AnAnt, there was some work for such a facility, but afaik was not finished
[10:36] <joaopinto> AnAnt, https://wiki.ubuntu.com/apt-sync
[10:36] <gartral|P> joaopinto this isnt a disk problem, aptitude repaird most of the borked packages. but still hasnt resolved my issues with x. which is what sparked this whole fiasco
[10:36] <gartral|P> smegit im reinstalling
[10:37] <AnAnt> thanks
[10:39] <greenpuddin> anyone got plymouth working for them, is it widespread that it's not working, or is it just me?
[10:39] <Severian> just you.
[10:39] <gartral|P> plymouth is the splash loader, yea?
[10:39] <greenpuddin> yikes
[10:39] <greenpuddin> yes
[10:39] <G_A_C> it doesn't work properly on my laptop on startup for some reason, but I think that might be a hangover from the 9.04->9.10->10.04 path my laptop has taken
[10:40] <G_A_C> works fine on shutdown though
[10:40] <Severian> maybe not just you, but it works for lots of people.
[10:40] <gartral|P> mine garbles colors.. but thats minor
[10:40] <G_A_C> my desktop does, but I think that's an Nvidia driver issue
[10:40] <greenpuddin> yeah that's the thing, it will load when i shut down. BUT, it's not the plymouth theme i've chosen. plus i have the latest kernel, could that affect this? even though i've run the sudo update-initramfs -u command
[10:41] <G_A_C> it has crap resolution as well on my nvidia desktop, presumably the lack of KMS is doing that
[10:41] <gartral|P> g_a_c confirmed, nvidia here too
[10:41] <G_A_C> i mya switch to nouveau, I believe that has KMS support
[10:42] <gartral|P> does anyone know if nouveau drivers support the gtx 275)
[10:42] <greenpuddin> i am running intel gma 945
[10:43] <DanaG1> for me, even with radeon kms, the splash didn't show because I have a serial console (in addition to local screen).
[10:43] <alvin> greenpuddin: Does your pc start?
[10:44] <alvin> I mean, can you log in. Does it complete the boot process?
[10:44] <greenpuddin> yes. i get past BIOS, then i see a white underscore (_) for a few seconds, then GDM shows up so i can log in
[10:44] <greenpuddin> more than a few seconds but you get the idea
[10:45] <alvin> That's not bad, isn't it?
[10:46] <greenpuddin> well, it's just me, i like the new splash on boot up... plus this is a netbook so i do end up shutting on and off the computer frequently. oh well though
[10:47] <alvin> I don't care about splash screens. Ugly or not. As long as the machine boots as it should, I'm happy.
[10:47] <greenpuddin> to each his own, i guess
[10:47] <popey> I'd like a machine so fast that I never see a boot screen
[10:48] <popey> I want to press a power button or open the lid and immediately see a logon screen or desktop
[10:48] <alvin> Well, it IS ugly with proprietary drivers. Colored text would be a lot nicer to look at.
[10:48] <greenpuddin> but if this is a feature that ubuntu devs are going to depend around 400~ MB of packages to, maybe they should really iron shit out. maybe there will be patches in the next few days
[10:48] <alvin> That's hibernate
[10:48] <popey> not necessarily
[10:48] <G_A_C> hibernate is far from instant
[10:48] <alvin> I expect a lot of complaints about unbootable machines once the final is out.
[10:48] <G_A_C> my laptop can take ~2 minutes to give me a login screen after hibernation
[10:49] <popey> i have a friend whose laptop gets to the logon screen in under 5 seconds
[10:49] <popey> which is quite nice
[10:49] <popey> from cold boot
[10:49] <G_A_C> impressive. SSD?
[10:49] <popey> yes
[10:49] <popey> Intel one
[10:49] <G_A_C> damnit, not something I can achieve on my rotational drive then ;)
[10:49] <alvin> That's impressive, but I care more about servers. Fast booting is unimportant, compared to booting itself
[10:50] <greenpuddin> guess i'll install xsplash. wonder if that will fuck up the entire boot process
[10:51] <yofel> it might, as you can't remove plymouth
[10:51] <G_A_C> you can remove plymouth, I've done so several times trying to make it work
[10:51] <yofel> well, actually xsplash might work as long as you don't install usplash I think
[10:52] <yofel> G_A_C: not anymore, mountall depends on plymouth now
[10:52] <G_A_C> ah, must be a recent change (past 2 weeks or so) then, my mistake
[10:53] <greenpuddin> well, guess if there is an issue i'll report it. here i go!
[10:54] <yofel> pylmouth is a bit annoying, but now that I got it to work with a proper resolution with nvidia I won't stress the issue
[10:55] <gartral|P> yofel the cd takes so long too boot
[10:55] <yofel> can't give feedback on that, beta1 was the last iso I actually had time to help testing
[10:56] <gartral|P> yofel, latest i has is beta2
[10:57] <gnomefreak> it always had here so i stick with alternate but i try desktop cd to test
[10:57] <gnomefreak> gartral|P: you have higher than b2 if you have done your updates
[10:57] <dan__> hi
[10:57] <gnomefreak> hi
[11:00] <gartral|P> gnomefreak im reinstalling from cd
[11:00] <gnomefreak> ah
[11:00] <gartral|P> which the installer just froze
[11:01] <gartral|P> wtf..
[11:02] <gartral|P> i click install ubuntu.. the cd spins up for a minute, then just spins down again
[11:03] <om26er> gartral|P, did you update the installer before installation?
[11:04] <gartral|P> om26er how.. the vt call doesnt respon, and theres not much of a gui
[11:04] <om26er> o
[11:04] <gartral|P> im goig to grab the rc iso
[11:05] <yofel> I hope we get a new daily build soon, the last iso is from the 19th and quite a few things were fixed since then
[11:08] <yofel> om26er: do yo know if empathy can't connect to jabber right now?
[11:09] <om26er> yofel, its working fine here
[11:09] <yofel> hm, we just had 2 people in -de+1 complaining about that
[11:09] <G_A_C> I'm connected to both Google Mial and Facebook via JAbber, working fine
[11:10] <yofel> jabber.org specifically
[11:10] <G_A_C> ah
[11:10] <om26er> yofel, maybe de specific?
[11:10] <G_A_C> I don't have a jabber.org account, so I don't know
[11:11] <yofel> hm, works fine here too...
[11:12] <yofel> maybe something ssl related
[11:22] <alexis_> hi! im trying to install kubnutu 10.04rc by a usbkey, with a desktop iso. Live demo work fine; but when i try to install, check disk befor partitionning stop at 47% evry time..
[11:22] <alexis_> its on a asus ul30a laptop; maybe others partition (ntfs with win 7) are encrypted; maybe its the cause of my prob (? )
[11:23] <gartral|P> alexis run a drive scan on the usb key.. ive seen trouble from bad memory
[11:25] <alexis_> (yep, not a bad idea, i'll try on another usb key..
[11:27] <sburwood> I noticed something in Preferences called "3D acceleration".  When I click on it, it gives me a message that I don't understand
[11:28] <sburwood> it says, "XDriInfo returned with a non-zero code."
[11:28] <sburwood> What does that mean?
[11:28] <bilalakhtar> Has anyone over here done an upgrade from karmic to lucid rc?
[11:28] <sburwood> bilalakhtar: Is rc out yet?
[11:29] <gartral|P> sburwood intel graphics?
[11:29] <sburwood> bilalakhtar: Yesterday, I found beta 2
[11:29] <alexis_> but today: RC :)
[11:29] <bilalakhtar> sburwood: of course
[11:29] <sburwood> gartral|P: I have an Nvidia 5900 Ultra AGP 4x
[11:30] <bilalakhtar> when will the gem leak problem be solved?
[11:30] <sburwood> rc is the final version or not?
[11:31] <gartral|P> if there are no serious errors or issues, then yeaa, i think so
[11:32] <sburwood> gartral|P: So, with my 5900 Ultra and the "3D acceleration" tab, what's up?
[11:32] <gartral|P> i thought lts releases were always xx.06
[11:32] <sburwood> I already have extra video caps
[11:33] <gartral|P> sbruwood it sounds like your system cant handle the 3d compiz stuff.. have you tried installing the closed drivers?
[11:34] <sburwood> I right clicked the desktop and activated Extra in the visual effects
[11:35] <sburwood> brb gotta eat
[11:38] <eviljussi01> hrm, running quassel in ubuntu, and minimized to tray - where has it gone? I dont seem to have a system tray...
[11:40] <gartral|P> why does dpkg need too run 10 times during installation????
[11:41] <Dan_E> is it ok to update to 10.04 now and will the files i have in 9.10 still be there?
[11:43] <gartral|P> hey.. something is serriously wrong with x. after a fresh installation gdm loads, crashes, and exits back to the ubuntu splash
[11:43] <gartral|P> and the system has frozen with the ready drum looping
[11:43] <Xeross_> My persistent usb install keeps asking me if I want to try ubuntu or install it (http://lh6.ggpht.com/_1QSDkzYY2vc/S5DhTfzsXcI/AAAAAAAAAe0/oDhfykLCqbc/SS_Selection_002.png screen like that) how can I dsiable it ?
[11:44] <gartral|P> alt sysreq k also isnt helping
[11:45] <gartral|P> ok, im mad now
[11:45] <gartral|P> ubuntu wiped my /home..
[11:45] <iconmefisto> ouch
[11:46] <Xeross_> Hmm ubuntu crashed on me and I had to reinstall everything
[11:46] <gartral|P> i have BD backups. just annoyed
[11:47] <Xeross_> be back later, g2g now
[11:48] <Dan_E> update manager tells me 10.04 is available, is it ok to upgrade?
[11:48] <gnomefreak> yofel: if you are here can you give an idea on how to pin a package? https://help.ubuntu.com/community/PinningHowto#Pinning%20the%20ubuntu-mozilla-daily%20PPA doesnt work in Lucid
[11:49] <gnomefreak> even if i replace the * with the name of package
[11:51] <gnomefreak> Dan_E: for the most part it is fairly unbrken but it depends on the packages you have install, but i would say yes we should release next week
[11:52] <Dan_E> ty
[11:52] <gnomefreak> np
[11:53] <gartral|P> holey crap. i fixed it
[11:55] <gartral|P> install, upgrade, reboot, done.. not sure how its fixed, but ok
[11:56] <gartral|P> and it repaird my /home
[11:58] <gartral|P> the rc has nouevu drivers for defaults, yea?
[11:58] <popey> for nvidia cards, yes :)
[12:00] <yofel> gnomefreak: hm, I'm looking at it, it seems to work if I remove my general lucid pin value...
[12:02] <gnomefreak> yofel: just remove the *?
[12:02] <gartral|P> nouevo dont support 3d accel for .gtx 275 do they?
[12:03] <gnomefreak> gartral|P: no
[12:03] <gnomefreak> gartral|P: IIRC it doesnt support any 3d accel
[12:04] <Galerien> Hi every one, I'm about to Upgrade to 10.04 and it tells me that the support for some applications ended, ok, there's bluetooth listed in it..
[12:04] <Galerien> Is it still gonna work or not?
[12:05] <G_A_C> my laptop works on in 10.04 after I upgraded it from 9.10 weeks ago
[12:05] <G_A_C> i think it might be that some of the command line bluetooth tools have been removed, although the gnome bluetooth manager remains
[12:05] <Galerien> G_A_C: Ok
[12:05] <Galerien> G_A_C: I'll try it anyway
[12:06] <Galerien>  Thanks :D
[12:06] <G_A_C> no probs
[12:06] <gnomefreak> yofel: here is my /etc/apt/preferences.d/ubuntu-mozilla-daily-pin-400 http://paste.ubuntu.com/420972/  for some reason im thinking i get rid of the last part of file name
[12:06] <gartral|P> up and stable, awesome
[12:07] <yofel> gnomefreak: err... you can put all packages into one pin... space seperated in the package line
[12:07] <Galerien> About 3 hours remaining... Let's get cofe :D
[12:08] <gnomefreak> yofel: ok, but im sure that is not really going to help get it working?
[12:08] <yofel> gnomefreak: do you have any other pins in place?
[12:08] <gnomefreak> and for some reason the PPA packages are still 500
[12:09] <gnomefreak> yofel: nope
[12:09] <gnomefreak> yofel: i have a hold in synaptic maybe that is a pin but it was still updating those packages after it was set
[12:10] <gartral|P> why wont empathy load with the system, i cant use the availabilty shortcuts under my name until i launch empathy. where if i load ubuntu in vbox it ussually loads and logs on
[12:10] <gnomefreak> i need some of the packages from the PPA just the firefox related packages so i didnt want to use the *
[12:11] <yofel> odd...
[12:11] <gnomefreak> yofel: here is output from policy http://paste.ubuntu.com/420979/
[12:12]  * gnomefreak very much confused
[12:13] <yofel> gnomefreak: err... can you remove the spaces before the Pin: and Pin-priority: lines?
[12:13] <gnomefreak> yofel: can try
[12:13] <gartral|P> ubuntu is still failing to communicate to the internet with both interfaces active
[12:14]  * yofel goes looking for a spare LAN cable...
[12:14] <Damascene> I've installed a package called compizconfig
[12:15] <Damascene> but it doesn't seem to work or to be installed. no icon no command line name
[12:15] <Fudge> hi guys, has the plymouth bug been fixed in rc1 now?
[12:16] <yofel> Fudge: *what* plymouth bug, we have a lot to choose from
[12:16] <Fudge> oh sorry, 55976 or something
[12:16] <yofel> bug 559767
[12:16] <Fudge> i didnt have access to web last night, well not really when i was in here talking about it
[12:16] <gartral|P> woaw. i have no networking.
[12:16] <Fudge> yes sounds right :d
[12:16] <yofel> bug 559797
[12:17] <Fudge> now i can read it though yay
[12:17] <Fudge> thanx
[12:18] <Fudge> that wasnt it though
[12:19] <yofel> gartral|P: I plugged another cable in my eth0 here now (I usually just use eth1), and it now just uses eth0 and ignores the eth1 connection
[12:19] <gartral|P> yofel, im getting no network from either interface.
[12:20] <yofel> Fudge: the hang on 70% fsck?
[12:21] <yofel> gartral|P: what are you using to set it up? I'm just using the network manager default
[12:22] <gartral|P> yofel, boot into gnome. disable 1 or the other interfaces. and nothing
[12:23] <Fudge> yofel  sorry was reading all the plymouth bugs. took me a little while
[12:23] <gartral|P> hmm.. seems intermittent. now i have eth0 link
[12:23] <Fudge> no i hadplymouth mountall error and when logging in went to desktop for a second then back to gdm
[12:23] <Fudge> so couldnt log in
[12:24] <Fudge> but ive gone back to beta1 at moment
[12:25] <Fudge> bit hard to pin down to a ubuntu problem though
[12:26] <mirsisi> I sorry hi all
[12:26] <mirsisi> Well i installed the new ubuntu version and it seems to shutdown over night, I've checked the power settings and all but there was nothing set to make it shut down. Does anyone have the same problem?
[12:27] <ranjan> just now installed the Lucid RC...but again gwibber is not showing my tweets :(
[12:29] <gartral|P> ranjan whos your isp? i know it seems silly, but orange uk keeps some ports locked.. one of em is used for twitter
[12:29] <Take0n> guys I bought a domain name and hosting and would like to make a subdomain that will point to my computer. The problem is my IP keeps changing (dynamic) so I pointed the subdomain to dyndns. Is there a client that will connect to dyndns and update my IP everytime I boot ubuntu or something? Do you know anything about it?
[12:29] <gartral|P> im sure some others do too
[12:29] <Paddy_NI> When will shipit be ready again?
[12:30] <Sia--> ranjan, her
[12:30] <ranjan> gartral|P, i am from india
[12:30] <mirsisi> Well i installed the new ubuntu version and it seems to shutdown over night, I've checked the power settings and all but there was nothing set to make it shut down. Does anyone have the same problem?
[12:30] <Ken8521> Paddy_NI, can't download?
[12:30] <ranjan> Sia--, ya..any answers
[12:30] <yofel> Take0n: either set in in your router (most support dyndns) or search for dyndns in the package archive, there are a few update clients
[12:30] <gartral|P> paddy about 3 days too a week after final release
[12:30] <Paddy_NI> Ken8521: yeah but I prefer to have a CD
[12:30] <Sia--> ranjan, what is you problem?
[12:30] <Paddy_NI> gartral|P: oh okay I see
[12:30] <Ken8521> Paddy_NI, so.. download and burn the CD, and keep it?
[12:31] <ranjan> gartral|P, here no port problems...as i am able to get my tweets with other client
[12:31] <Paddy_NI> Ken8521: would rather preserve my bandwidth
[12:31] <Ken8521> that makes more sense than you prefer to have a cd
[12:31] <Take0n> yofel, thank you I found ddclient
[12:31] <ranjan> Sia--, the gwibber is not showing my tweets
[12:31] <ranjan> this was the case with even lucid beta1 and 2
[12:32] <Sia--> ranjan, aha about special apps in ubuntu sryy, because i'm not using ubuntu or gnome ..etc
[12:32] <Sia--> gwibber is facebook , twitter client right?
[12:32] <Fudge> zoneedit have tools for nix too
[12:32] <ranjan> Sia--, oh so u are command line geek...yea its twitter client
[12:33] <Sia--> ranjan, no , i use dwm with debian
[12:33] <ranjan> oh..
[12:34] <ranjan> Sia--, oh .great :) i have newer heard of dwm
[12:35] <Sia--> ranjan, i like new design and ubuntu, but my hardware is very **** :)
[12:35] <ranjan> Sia--, oh...:) whats your hardware configuration??
[12:36] <Sia--> is very old hardware with 256 ram :)
[12:36] <ranjan> Sia--, ok :)
[12:37] <gartral|P> i have an i7 with 4gigs
[12:37]  * yofel had lenny running for a while on a 166MHz 148MiB RAM machine, worked fine as a small svn server :P
[12:37] <Sia--> gartral|P, rich man :)
[12:37] <yofel> but X was unusable with 1MiB graphic memory
[12:38] <gartral|P> sia no, expensive work
[12:38] <hkvn> yofel: me too :">, pentium 2 400MHZ 256MB RAM :D
[12:38] <Sia--> hhhh
[12:40] <Ken8521> hkvn, you ever tried crunchbang linux?
[12:43] <hkvn> Ken8521: I use Debian Lenny, it's perfect for my work :D
[12:44] <Sia--> hkvn, but not perfect at server :D
[12:45] <hkvn> Sia--: I dont think so, all servers in my company are using Debian Lenny :D
[12:46] <hkvn> Sia--: but i use Lucid at my desktop now :D
[12:46] <Sia--> hkvn, but not as default installation , even i'm debian fans
[12:46] <Sia--> hkvn, at home me too :D
[12:46] <Traveler8> is it RC yet
[12:47] <Sia--> Traveler8, YES
[12:47] <yofel> Traveler8: see /topic
[12:47] <rapha> morning
[12:47] <Traveler8> sia its still pink :@
[12:47] <hkvn> Sia--: i not use Lenny at my Laptop because have some problems with hardware drivers :-s
[12:48] <yofel> Traveler8: it will stay pink
[12:48] <rapha> is there a good way to upgrade beta2 to rc? (rc exactly, not "newest packages available")
[12:48] <Sia--> hkvn, compile the hardware driver or use backports :)
[12:48] <Traveler8> lol does it supports the gma 965?
[12:48] <yofel> rapha: no, newest packages available is RC
[12:49] <rapha> okay, thanks yofel!
[12:49] <yofel> rapha: does 'lsb_release -d' tell you 'development branch'?
[12:49] <panamaha> Hi! Can someone tell me how to show the "sound volume controller" icon on panel please ?
[12:49] <rapha> yofel: yes, does
[12:49] <Sia--> panamaha, use gamix
[12:50] <panamaha> you again :)
[12:50] <panamaha> ok im triyng it :)
[12:50] <hkvn> Sia--: Thanks, I will try it ;)
[12:50] <yofel> rapha: check for updates again, should say "Description:    Ubuntu 10.04 LTS"
[12:50] <Sia--> install gamix and type in terminal gamix to edit the sounds volume
[12:50] <rapha> yofel: okay!
[12:51] <Sia--> rapha, which server are you using?
[12:51] <rapha> Sia--: why server? this is a laptop here...
[12:52] <panamaha> i install the gamix. it works. but i don't know how to show it on panel ?
[12:53] <coz_> panamaha,  is gamix a panel applet?
[12:53] <panamaha> i dont know.. but i think no...
[12:54] <coz_> panamaha,  if it is   then it show up under  the panel ...right click the panel   "Add to panel"  and see if it is indeed in the list
[12:55] <panamaha> no it is not supporting for panel...
[12:55] <panamaha> :(
[12:55] <coz_> panamaha,  so this is an application that has to be run manually then....
[12:55] <coz_> panamaha,  does this show up under any of the menus?
[12:55] <panamaha> yes
[12:56] <coz_> panamaha,  ok then you could click and drag that menu item onto the gnome panel  where it should sit
[12:56] <panamaha> sorry no
[12:56] <coz_> oh
[12:56] <panamaha> but i can do a shourcut
[12:56] <coz_> panamaha,  ok how do you start this up?
[12:56] <panamaha> to run from terminal and thn i can put it on panel :)
[12:56] <Sia--> panamaha, and you want it in panel?
[12:56] <coz_> panamaha,  there you go
[12:56] <Sia--> is so important?
[12:57] <panamaha> sia me ?
[12:57] <Sia--> rapha, who talking about server?
[12:57] <rapha> Sia--: nope, i wasnt talking about any server
[12:58] <rapha> hmmm
[12:58] <rapha> interesting
[12:59] <rapha> ubuntu.com still uses the old logo in the top left corner
[12:59] <rapha> are they rolling out a new design when the lynx is set free?
[12:59] <panamaha> and something for ending ... is enough to install sunJava 6 plug-in to run every java software on my ubuntu ?
[13:00] <aeon17x> rapha: it's the same in the Google/Yahoo search homepages
[13:00] <yofel> panamaha: by default you ubuntu uses openjdk, but you can install sun from the partner repos if you need it
[13:00] <aeon17x> I assume they'll showcase the new logos on launch day :)
[13:01] <panamaha> ok thank you!
[13:01] <Sia--> panamaha, the icedtea plugin is sucks, try to install sun plugin self
[13:01] <Sia--> panamaha, 32 or 64?
[13:01] <panamaha> sia what you think about openjdk ?
[13:01] <gartral> alrighty. finally got the rc running
[13:01] <panamaha> 64 bit..
[13:02] <yofel> panamaha: openjdk worked ok for me for java apps, but the icedtea plugin had too many issues so I'm using sun-java6 now
[13:02] <Sia--> panamaha, openjdk is good but icedtea plugin is ... :)
[13:02] <gartral> icedtea works fine.. when youconfigure the source yourself ffor your cpu/gpu/driver setup
[13:03] <panamaha> but there is no sun-java6 on synaptic. that is my another problem here. (i never touched to applist)
[13:03] <yofel> panamaha: it was moved to the partner repos
[13:03] <oik> Hi. How do I install Lucid RC on a system that has /home in a Logical Volume, which I don't want formatted, btw.
[13:03] <Sia--> panamaha, try this http://sites.google.com/site/easylinuxtipsproject/java#TOC-Install-JRE-64-bit-
[13:03] <coz_> this is a personal opinion >>   I never liked icedtead  ever... I doubt I ever will... I prefer sun java
[13:03] <Sia--> if you can kurdish i have it in our wiki :)
[13:04] <panamaha> ok im triyng it thank you... :)
[13:04] <robin0800> panamaha: its in the software centre
[13:04] <gartral> oik: i managed to upgrade with dist-upgrade -d.. but be very careful with that command
[13:04] <coz_> gartral,   are you upgrading from karmic to lucid?
[13:04] <panamaha> robin0800 : where it is. please tell me exactly the name...
[13:04] <gartral> holey crapaloids 104023 frames in 5.0 seconds
[13:04] <oik> gartral: I didn't have Ubuntu before, I had Fedora, hence the Logical Volumes
[13:05] <Sia--> coz_, i like something, and hate another, is absolutely not your business
[13:05] <coz_> Sia--,   pardon?
[13:05] <gartral> coz_: yes, initially i had karmic, did dist jump, then after that failed i reinstalled and jost pointed my known /home to be /home and formated / as /
[13:05] <gartral> oik: that's the other way
[13:06] <robin0800> panamaha: ubuntu software centre/Cannocal partners
[13:06] <yofel> robin0800: can you open software properties and check that the canonical partner repos is enabled? (should be in 'other software')
[13:06] <coz_> Sia--,  you wanted someting clearer than that?   icedtea does not work for critical java applicatons.... example    openbravo
[13:06] <gartral> what the hell has git now
[13:06] <robin0800> yofel: yes and have done its not me with the problem
[13:07] <coz_> Sia--,  on top of which icedtea  will not be acceptable in  production machines
[13:07] <yofel> robin0800: oops, my concentration slipped, sry ^^
[13:07] <panamaha> robin0800: i know the software center. i had open it. please give me the exactly name of the program to search...
[13:08] <gartral> what package contains git now, and why would git have been removed from ubuntu repos?
[13:08] <Sia--> coz_, and  doesn't work in alot of bankonline pages like danskbank, nordea, german commerzbank ..etc
[13:08] <coz_> gartral,  git-core
[13:08] <yofel> gartral: git-core?
[13:08] <coz_> Sia--,  agreed
[13:09] <robin0800> panamaha: Canonical Partners
[13:09] <panamaha> i see it but there is no sun java there...
[13:09] <panamaha> robin0800: you use 32 bit ubuntu 10 ?
[13:09] <robin0800> yes
[13:09] <panamaha> it is different maybe..
[13:09] <panamaha> hmmm :(
[13:09] <coz_> panamaha,  I installed sun java on 64 bit machine here as well
[13:10] <gartral> someone needs to change the error spat by apt-get install git to read "git is provided by git-core please run apt-get install git-core" not "Package git is not available, but is referred to by another package. This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or is only available from another source E: Package git has no installation candidate."
[13:10] <gartral> gig that get cut off?
[13:10] <gartral> s/gig/did
[13:10] <gnomefreak> gartral: how would we know
[13:10] <yofel> panamaha: the plugin is there on 64bit in the canonical partners section here, did you upgrade?
[13:10] <coz_> panamaha,  if you want this mainly for applications  and web stuff   simply install sun-java6-plugin and it should pull in all that is required along with it
[13:10] <joaopinto> gartral, apt-get install is for package names for for application names :)
[13:11] <panamaha> coz_: there is it ? how i can do it from terminal but im not so good to do it. please tell me the exactly name to search from software center.
[13:11] <gnomefreak> gartral: it stopped at E.....candidate."
[13:11] <joaopinto> gartral, you do get the proper package name suggested if you try "git" on the command line :)
[13:11] <gartral> joaopinto: what?
[13:11] <coz_> panamaha,   sudo apt-get install sun-java6-plugin
[13:11] <panamaha> ok im trying it thank you!
[13:12] <coz_> panamaha,  if the repositories are all open it should work... if that doesn work open synaptic package
[13:12] <coz_> manager
[13:12] <panamaha> Reading state information... Done
[13:12] <panamaha> E: Couldn't find package sun-java6-plugin
[13:12] <panamaha> coz
[13:12] <coz_> panamaha,   hit  Settings   then  repositories
[13:12] <gartral> ok, then you got it
[13:12] <blerk> can anyone tell me which packages i need for the weather forecast in the clock to work? i removed some packages and it stopped working, the config tabs are still there, but it's not updating the weather or showing anything at all
[13:12] <gnomefreak> blerk: right click on panel and add the weather applet?
[13:12] <Fudge> cant you build-dep?
[13:13] <blerk> gnomefreak: i want to use the one that comes with the clock
[13:13] <panamaha> coz  : there is no even sun-java6 on synaptic manager.
[13:13] <Lazy> there is no sun-java6-plugin in lucid
[13:13] <coz_> panamaha,  when that opens  look under the "other software" tab  tick the boxes  if any are there
[13:13] <panamaha> Lazy:  that right.
[13:13] <coz_> panamaha,  click Settings  and go to repositories
[13:13] <yofel> Lazy: It's in the Canonical partner repoos
[13:14] <coz_> panamaha,   look for  Other software tab  and see if there are any tick boxes not checked
[13:14] <robin0800> panamaha: sun-java6-bin
[13:14] <gnomefreak> i dont recall ever seeing a clock+weather.
[13:14] <Take0n> is there a command like add-apt-repository but to remove a source?
[13:14] <yofel> robin0800: if the plugin isn't there -bin won't be either
[13:14] <blerk> gnomefreak: go to preferences of the clock, and set a location, its quite nice
[13:14] <Damascene> I've bug with compiz config
[13:14] <coz_> Damascene,  what's the bug?
[13:15] <Damascene> I want someone to reproduce it please
[13:15] <gnomefreak> yofel: didnt we drop that or at least turn it into a ttransitional package for the free version
[13:15] <blerk> gnomefreak: it wont work until you set a location though
[13:15] <coz_> Damascene,  walk me through it
[13:15] <Damascene>  I've installed compizconfig and now when I change some setting it compiz get disabled and when I enable it I see the changes are revertedd
[13:15] <gartral> whered human theme go...
[13:16] <Damascene> coz_, I'm waiting for your results
[13:16] <coz_> Damascene,  well  is this an upgrade from karmic to lucid?
[13:16] <patdk-wk> lots of packages today
[13:16] <panamaha> im searching on "all" tab on synaptic and i can not see anything even "sun-java" so it does not have "sun-java...." .
[13:17] <doc`> Just installed ubuntu 10.04, can connect to my wireless network, ping stuff but i cant surf. Tried the troubleshooting but not sure if im disabling acpi correctly.
[13:17] <Damascene> coz_, it's lucid
[13:17] <yofel> panamaha: PLEASE check your repositories
[13:17] <doc`> can i check if i disabled acpi correctly?
[13:17] <coz_> Damascene,  is this a clean install of lucid or an upgrad?
[13:17] <panamaha> check ? what i have to do now ? (i never touched them)
[13:18] <cousteau> panamaha: the proprietary version of java has been dropped, openjdk is used now
[13:18] <Damascene> coz_, Lucid since alpha 1. no karmic
[13:18] <yofel> panamaha: as coz_ said click on settings and then repositories
[13:18] <cousteau> unless you have added repositories for sun-java6-*
[13:18] <coz_> Damascene,  mm    just for info   in terminal     dpkg -l | grep compiz  and pastebin the output
[13:18] <gnomefreak> the package name at least for the plugin is sun-java6-plugin you may need universe or multiverse enabled
[13:18] <coz_> Damascene,  actually sudo dpkg -l | grep compiz
[13:19] <yofel> gnomefreak: no, you need canonical partner now
[13:19] <panamaha> hm now i understand...
[13:19] <gartral> something about the new restricted drivers is fixed. my graphics card is now running at it's propper speed
[13:19] <yofel> panamaha: in the 'Other sofware' tab look for 'archive.canonical.com' and tell me the link please and if it's enabled
[13:19] <gnomefreak> yofel: yep it is now
[13:19]  * gnomefreak had to look, thanks
[13:20] <Damascene> coz_, http://paste.ubuntu.com/421009/
[13:20] <JoshuaL> hmm, i bought a new router, whenever i set it to use 802.11n ubuntu cant connect while windows is able to do so
[13:20] <JoshuaL> my laptop does supoprt 802.11n, and im using lucid
[13:20] <coz_> Damascene,  ok that looks fine   open ccsm  and go to preferences  plugin list tab  and make sure  "automatic plugin sorting"  is ticked
[13:21] <panamaha> synaptic is reloading please wait i gonna answer the question...
[13:21] <Damascene> coz_, then
[13:22] <coz_> Damascene,   was it ticked?
[13:22] <Damascene> yes
[13:22] <coz_> mmm
[13:22] <Damascene> ?
[13:22] <coz_> Damascene,   open ccsm  via terminal
[13:22] <Damascene> ok
[13:22] <coz_> Damascene,   then try again and see if there are any errors  reported
[13:23]  * patdk-wk wonders what one of the many j's said I would have issues with removing plymouth and mountall doing fsck
[13:23] <patdk-wk> my system just did fsck's and it worked fine
[13:23] <Damascene> coz_, ok I've enabled blur windows and water effects
[13:23] <coz_> Damascene,  and they work?
[13:23] <Damascene> it seems like I lost the window effect
[13:23] <Damascene> how to check
[13:24] <Damascene> compiz is disabled nothing works
[13:24] <yofel> patdk-wk: most issues with plymouth/mountall and fsck should be fixed
[13:24] <blerk> gnomefreak: fixed the problem, /etc/timezone had a wrong timezone :o
[13:24] <coz_> Damascene,    try shift+F9
[13:24] <panamaha> now my synaptic contains sun-java6-jdk ? that  true to install to open every java software on ubuntu ?
[13:24] <Damascene> coz_, could you produce the problem on you system?
[13:25] <panamaha> or sun-java6-bin
[13:25] <yofel> panamaha: well, do you have sun-java-bin or -plugin in synaptic now?
[13:25] <coz_> Damascene,  well  ok  let me move over to the lucid box hold on
[13:25] <Damascene> ok
[13:25] <yofel> panamaha: you usually need the -jre and -plugin
[13:25] <panamaha> plug-in and bin both of them i have
[13:25] <cozziemoto> Damascene,  ok I am on lucid box now
[13:25] <cozziemoto> Damascene,   walk me through  what you are doing
[13:26] <panamaha> ok i will install all of them :)
[13:26] <yofel> panamaha: ok, then remove icedtea so the sun plugin actually gets used
[13:26] <panamaha> thank you!
[13:26] <cozziemoto> Damascene,  my nick is different from the  karmic system   on lucid my nick is  cozziemoto
[13:26] <JoshuaL> anyone else having issues with connecting to 802.11n networks?
[13:27] <Damascene> cozziemoto, I see
[13:27] <cozziemoto> Damascene,  so I have ccsm opened   what do you want me to do?
[13:27] <Damascene> enable blur window
[13:27] <Damascene> and then check if you still have compiz enabled
[13:28] <raddy> Hello everybody
[13:28] <cozziemoto> Damascene,  yes it is still enabled
[13:28] <cozziemoto> Damascene,    lspci | grp -i vga
[13:28] <raddy> Just install the RC
[13:28] <raddy> Working great
[13:28] <cozziemoto> Damascene,  sorry thats wrong
[13:28] <cozziemoto> Damascene,   lspci | grep -i vga
[13:28] <raddy> I just need direct link for broadcom st driver
[13:28] <Damascene> 00:02.0 VGA compatible controller: Intel Corporation Mobile 945GME Express Integrated Graphics Controller (rev 03)
[13:29] <Damascene> it was working with extra effect until I enabled blur in the compiz config
[13:29] <cozziemoto> Damascene,  ok  it ismost likely blur and water will not work with intel video
[13:30] <raddy> Can anybody give me direct link for broadcom st driver?
[13:30] <Damascene> cozziemoto, I'll try disabling something this time
[13:30] <cozziemoto> Damascene,  that has been a downside of intel  for some time...not sure about current intel cards  but that particular one I believe will not allow blur and water plugins to funtion
[13:30] <cozziemoto> function
[13:30] <yofel> raddy: do you mean bcmwl-kernel-source or..?
[13:31] <raddy> yofel: nope, direct link to wireless-wl driver
[13:32] <Damascene> cozziemoto, so it's not a bug?
[13:33] <pzn> will lynx include a easy-to-do setup for root encrypted filesystem
[13:33] <coz_> Damascene,  no  its most likely your intel card
[13:33] <pzn> ?
[13:33] <coz_> Damascene,  when you have compiz issues    you can join us at  #compiz channel :)
[13:33] <SwedeMike> pzn: alternate has had that for quite some time, have you heard anything about it going away?
[13:34] <Damascene> coz_, ok thanks
[13:34] <Damascene> coz_, I think if some choices are not supported by a card it need to be hidden
[13:35] <Damascene> or at least say it's not supported not to disable the compiz
[13:35] <pzn> SwedeMike, that was my first question... I just tried official 9.10 CD and it does not have it "easy-to-do" :-)
[13:35] <coz_> Damascene,  well  I believe with more up to currne intel cards  these things may work
[13:35] <SwedeMike> pzn: try the "alternate" installer.
[13:35] <raddy> hello everybody
[13:35] <coz_> Damascene, I believe it is the texture from pixmap funtion that is lacking in some intel graphics
[13:35] <raddy> can anybody suggest binary driver for wireless-wl?
[13:36] <doc`> Having some internet trouble, getting nowhere any tips?
[13:36] <Damascene> coz_, ok thanks
[13:36] <pzn> SwedeMike, do you recommend the 10.04RC or 9.10? (notebook used for working)
[13:37] <yofel> raddy: most drivers are already shipped with the kernel, and the proprietary broadcom drivers are in the bcmwl-kernel-source package
[13:38] <SwedeMike> pzn: if you want something stable, use 9.10 for a few months, then upgrade.
[13:38] <Damascene> any one knows how to enable workspaces on netbook launcher?
[13:38] <pzn> SwedeMike, ok! thanks!
[13:39] <gintonic> Major update in lucid: the workspace switcher now has square corners
[13:42] <picila> hi! im again O:-) can i reset the settings of "notification-are" of "gnome panel" ? maybe the volume controller will come again
[13:43] <theadmin> How do I get rid of "Ubuntu One" in me menu
[13:44] <gintonic> Volume controller is in Indicator Applet now
[13:44] <theadmin> and how do i stop pidgin from displaying those crappy notifications?
[13:44] <picila> i have removed it. i don't know how to bring it back..
[13:44] <picila> i mean the "volume level controller"
[13:45] <mickep> Hi, with lucid it seems that the problem is back (this was ok in karma, but not in jaunty) that the title of gnome-terminal is not updated in the Window list in the panel. Is this known?
[13:45] <theadmin> uh yeah and the volume thingy is gone
[13:46] <picila> so i have reset my settings of it...
[13:46] <gintonic> Volume control has "gone", and now it's in the Indicator Applet
[13:46] <picila> gintonic:  so ? how we can bring it back ?
[13:47] <mickep> One can add gnome-volume-control-applet to the list of start up application to get it back.
[13:47] <picila> hmm yes
[13:47] <picila> no i understand thank you!
[13:47] <picila> :)
[13:47] <gintonic> picila: Right click panel -> Add to panel -> Indicator applet
[13:48] <mickep> gintonic: In that I have only an evolution icon and a "screen resolution setting" icon, but no volume icon. I dont want these two, but I want a volume applet only.
[13:50] <gintonic> mickep: Not sure how to customize it. I think we might be stuck with the envelope icon, in which I have pidgin (but not not evolution because I removed it)
[13:50] <markitoxs> when I click the multimedia keys, for volume up,down,mute, i get the notification that the action has been done, but the volume actually stays the same, any ideas?
[13:51] <mickep> gintonic: Hm ok. I simply removed the indicator applet and added the volume applet as explained above
[13:51] <mickep> markitoxs: That happened to me in karmic when having several soundcards. Do you have several?
[13:52] <markitoxs> mickep, i just entered the channel, do you mind repeating what you said about adding the volume icon?
[13:52] <mickep> markitoxs: The solution was to right-click the volume applet, choosing sound preferences and mark the right card.
[13:52] <markitoxs> i only have one card, though
[13:52] <mickep> markitoxs: 14:47 < mickep> One can add gnome-volume-control-applet to the list of start up application to get it back.
[13:53] <mickep> markitoxs: But that was not about your problem.
[13:53] <markitoxs> mickep, i also have that probelm :D
[13:53] <gintonic> That solution will only work for 1 year, then the panel will be removed (oh noes!) http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/
[13:53] <switchgirl> anyone had the empathy thing where it confuses who said what: ie my friend says "i like your hair in that picture" and it shows as i said it
[13:55] <mickep> gintonic: How did you remove the evolution icon from this Indicator applet?
[13:55] <gintonic> Ahhh my eyes! What has happened to unetbootin
[13:55] <gintonic> mickep: By removing evolution.
[13:56] <mickep> oh, I thought I did that... must check again...
[13:57] <markitoxs> gintonic, its and interesting article you linked there
[13:58] <markitoxs> gintonic, however they mention the sound menu ?
[13:58] <markitoxs> gintonic, which i seem not to have ?
[13:59] <gintonic> markitoxs: I'm not sure we have that yet
[13:59] <markitoxs> yeah i believe not, as since i updated to the beta no sound thing was on gnome-panel at all
[14:00] <mickep> gintonic: removing evolution does not help, and when trying to remove some more evolution-* packages, it also wants to remove gnome-panel and the indicator-applet packages :)
[14:00] <gintonic> What's this me menu thing? I upgraded so I don't have any new default things
[14:01] <markitoxs> gintonic, the memenu its the thingie with your name, that you can link to various social network sites
[14:01] <gintonic> mickep: I just did apt-get purge evolution It didn't try to remove gnome, ubuntu, or baby&bathwater
[14:01] <markitoxs> gintonic and as well along with the chat accounts
[14:03] <mickep> gintonic: removing evolution was not a problem for me neither (except that the mail icon in the indicator applet was still there). It was removing other evolution-* packages that caused the dependencies problems.
[14:04] <gintonic> mickep: Not sure what to suggest then. Log in and out?
[14:05] <mickep> gintonic: I just stick with the usual volume-applet since it still works (just wanted to clarify the problem).
[14:05] <Reckon> Anybody else noticed a worse booting experience since the RC?
[14:06] <gintonic> Reckon: I had a one-off problem where it didn't boot at all. Froze on the purple logo screen
[14:08] <gintonic> It's cool that you can change the default terminal size from the edit menu now
[14:13] <Reckon> gintonic, the system boots ok, but it takes longer now. Beta 2 used to boot in a blast, but now...
[14:13] <yofel> Reckon: does it hand before or after login screen?
[14:13] <yofel> *hang
[14:18] <Reckon> well, looks like it freezes for some seconds before the login screen
[14:18] <Reckon> 15-25 secs
[14:18] <yofel> !bootchart
[14:18] <Reckon> never happened before
[14:18] <yofel> maybe that will show something
[14:18] <Reckon> ok, thanks
[14:19] <yofel> do disable it again just remove it
[14:28] <jmfthevci> New bug 568994
[14:29] <thiebaude> bug 552316
[14:30] <thiebaude> hmm
[14:32] <tarelerulz> I got android phone and been having nothing ,but problems with trying to play the audio from the videos the phone makes.
[14:32] <tasslehoff> I just installed 10.04, and my Desktop is messed up. If I create a new user it works fine. Which folders/files do I delete to get a fresh gnome-start for my user?
[14:32] <thatguy_> hi all.... using the USB startup disk creator with the live cd, every time i boot to the usb stick it asks if i want to "Try ubuntu" or install it... does anyone know how i can have it just skip that menu and boot into the persistent live mode?
[14:33] <tarelerulz> It use amr which is an cell phone format for audio. I am told that 10.04 will play that audio is that true. If anyone is running 10.04 could I send them small video so I can see for sure before I go and download whole iso
[14:33] <patdk-wk> thatguy, edit the menu file
[14:33] <tasslehoff>  .gconf* and .gnome2* ?
[14:33] <tasslehoff> or is that a tad to drastic?
[14:34] <thatguy_> patdk-wk: thx man, you mean grub.conf yeh? any hints what edits to make?
[14:35] <z0rt|work> tarelerulz: won't VLC play that?
[14:35] <jmfthevci> thiebaude: that bug is not the same as mine. I can successfully shutdown (lake & restart) with the sudo shutdown command. It is the failure of the gnome-panel shutdown option and the gnome applet shutdown button to do the same.
[14:36] <tarelerulz> I will put it simple I am running Ubuntu 9.10 64bit and Not mplayer , totem or VLC will play the android video's audio .  The video plays fine its just the audio that will not play
[14:36] <jmfthevci> [lake = halt]...wuh?
[14:36] <Reckon> rebooting
[14:36] <thiebaude> jmfthevci, ahh ok
[14:36] <patdk-wk> thatguy, hmm, I would have to look
[14:37] <patdk-wk> you mean on a cd? or usb?
[14:37] <thatguy_> usb
[14:37] <jmfthevci> thiebaude: I did see the bug you suggested as I was submiting mine. It did not quite match
[14:37] <patdk-wk> made using the usb creator thing?
[14:37] <thiebaude> ok
[14:37] <thatguy_> patdk-wk: that
[14:37] <thatguy_> s correct
[14:37] <patdk-wk> crap :(
[14:37] <patdk-wk> I don't have a usb around to make one to see how it does it
[14:37] <patdk-wk> I know it's different than the normal cd
[14:38] <thatguy_> i'll dcc one to you pat hehehe
[14:38] <tarelerulz> I love that fact using virtualbox and 64bit iso of 10.04 and it still don't work says I have an i686 that is fun. Still needs work a week before coming out.
[14:38] <patdk-wk> pastebin a dir listing of the flash, and I can probably help you :)
[14:39] <theadmin> This thing removed my flash! What on earth is going on.
[14:39] <thatguy_> thx pat i'll do that you're very kind... i
[14:40] <thatguy_> i've been toying with it so i'll have to make a new one and return soon
[14:40] <theadmin> How do I get flash back on Lucid?
[14:40] <patdk-wk> thatguy, ok, I have done it alot, though I normally do pxe menu's
[14:40] <patdk-wk> it's so nice to just plug random computer into the network and boot into whatever :)
[14:41] <theadmin> ...okay, it works now. What the heck.
[14:41] <thatguy_> nice idea pat
[14:42] <vuksamotnjak> heloo i cant install ubuntu 10.04...not just that i cant boot live cd here is pic of error http://www.imagesforme.com/show.php/1092687_Slika0041.jpg
[14:42] <patdk-wk> so can't read that
[14:42] <thiebaude> wow
[14:42] <patdk-wk> I'm going dizzy
[14:42] <thiebaude> reading sideways,lol
[14:42] <z0rt|work> extreme closeup
[14:42] <theadmin> I can read upside-down nearly fine :P
[14:43] <thiebaude> imao
[14:43] <vuksamotnjak> xD
[14:43] <vuksamotnjak> sory
[14:43] <Reckon> well, it looks like now the system booted ok. Does bootchart work in every boot?
[14:43] <vuksamotnjak> my GIMP is slow
[14:43] <theadmin> BUG: soft lockup - CPU#0 stuck for 61s [ply
[14:43] <theadmin> That's what it says
[14:43] <vuksamotnjak> no that is not all
[14:43] <arand> theadmin: virtualbox?
[14:43] <vuksamotnjak> no virtual
[14:44] <theadmin> arand: How would i know, ask whoever posted that image
[14:44] <patdk-wk> but aren't all admin's gods? and know all? :)
[14:45] <theadmin> patdk-wk: Nobody can know everything :D
[14:45] <arand> vuksamotnjak: ply... plymouth, apparently
[14:45] <vuksamotnjak> plymouth
[14:45] <arand> theadmin: Ah, wasn't sure which one had the error.
[14:46] <tasslehoff> I tried deleting mentioned folders, but all is still not well. When I try to open an app, it comes on top of the upper panel, and my alt-key doesn't work
[14:46] <tasslehoff> what must I delete besides .gconf and .gnome2 folders?
[14:46] <theadmin> hm, what on earth is Pitivi... omg windows movie maker o_O
[14:47] <theadmin> Oopsie, sorry, stupid touchpad.
[14:47] <arand> vuksamotnjak: You could try booting with the "nomodeset" flag, or if it is installed, maybe remove plymouth through a chroot.
[14:48] <michael2> Hi! I want to use Jdownloader. I have SunJava but it does not open the Jdownloader.jar. I try to open from terminal typing : "jar Jdownloader.jar" it writes that "Cannot find open-jdk". But I have SunJava on my system.
[14:48] <vuksamotnjak> arand:  No i have not install that. I want but i cant. What is nomodeset?
[14:48] <theadmin> michael2: try "java -jar Jdownloader.jar"
[14:49] <theadmin> ugh. Applications go on creating white-background tray icons, totally ruins the new theme :(
[14:50] <michael2> Unable to access jarfile Jdownloader.jar
[14:50] <arand> vuksamotnjak: it installer by default, nomodeset disables plyouth kms I think... add it to the kernel boot line from the edit function in grub.
[14:50] <Dimmuxx> that's the real reason why they want to kill the notification area ;)
[14:50] <Dimmuxx> all the ugly non-transparent icons
[14:50] <vuksamotnjak> ok i will try that
[14:50] <vuksamotnjak> thanx
[14:50] <vuksamotnjak> i go now
[14:51] <michael2> ops!rryit worked
[14:51] <michael2> thank you!
[14:51] <theadmin> Dimmuxx: Kill? I dunno, GNOME Shell still has the notification area
[14:52] <Dimmuxx> theadmin: http://design.canonical.com/2010/04/notification-area/
[14:52] <theadmin> The new network manager icon is weird
[14:53] <Dimmuxx> I dislike the wired network icon
[14:53] <BluesKaj> Howdy
[14:53] <BUGabundo_remote> hey hey Blue
[14:55] <theadmin> Dimmuxx: Oh god. Man, if they remove the notification area... How about Pidgin, Dropbox, TeamViewer, everything? Not everyone wants to redesign stuff because of how Canonical thinks
[14:56] <ChrisC_> Hi, can I ask a question about 10.04 RC?
[14:57] <theadmin> ChrisC_: This is the place.
[14:57] <Dimmuxx> theadmin: pidgin already works with the notification area (if you have libnotify enabled)
[14:57] <theadmin> Dimmuxx: Uh, yes, but that's the point - how will it work WITHOUT it?
[14:57] <ChrisC_> Am I at the right place.
[14:57] <ChrisC_> Ok
[14:57] <ChrisC_> Thanks.
[14:57] <ChrisC_> Right, bare with me.
[14:57] <Dimmuxx> theadmin: they will just remove the notification area not the messaging menu
[14:57] <Dimmuxx> I meant that it works with the messaging menu
[14:58] <theadmin> Dimmuxx: And others? for instance, i usually keep VLC in notify area to listen to my music, TeamViewer to await remote control connections...
[14:59] <theadmin> I'd just turn that area into one convinient menu from which one can see all those notification... thingies... But I'm not canonical
[15:00] <ChrisC_> My video card is on a Samsung R20 laptop and is ATI Technologies Inc Radeon Xpress 1250. Well 10.04 will not get past the choose your install method stage, no Splash no GDM. This happened on beta2 and now RC. I tried the same disk in my fathers Sony Laptop with nvidia in it and 10.04 looks lovely. Why is my Laptop having a hard time.. Is this a known bug because I have reported it.
[15:01] <joaopinto> ChrisC_, try usinbg "nomodeset" on the linux kernel options
[15:01] <Dimmuxx> theadmin: they want to have menues for everything like most of the icons works now, so VLC would go in the media menu(if they add support for it)
[15:02] <theadmin> Dimmuxx: I'll switch to XFCE if it becomes messy :D
[15:02] <ChrisC_> OK Thank you. How do I do that, is it in the menu?
[15:03] <ChrisC_> And what is it I'm doing exactly?
[15:03] <ChrisC_> What is the basis for your suggestion?
[15:04] <theadmin> Dimmuxx: And, you know, at first I thought that Me Menu will be a mess. Now I see it, and I am loving it. So... Well, I'll leave it up to them :D
[15:04] <Dimmuxx> theadmin: I just wish it worked without libnotify in pidgin, because libnotify seems to crash pidgin from time to time
[15:05] <theadmin> Dimmuxx: I dunno... which pidgin build are you using? I'm using one from their repos and it's perfect.
[15:05] <Aji-Dahaka> isn't libnotify a plugin in pidgin?
[15:05] <Aji-Dahaka> I thought it could be disabled
[15:05] <theadmin> Aji-Dahaka: Yeah but it takes it out of me menu
[15:05] <Aji-Dahaka> oh, gotcha
[15:05] <Dimmuxx> theadmin: I use the lucid build at the moment
[15:06] <Aji-Dahaka> I am caught back up now.  I missed that part
[15:06] <ChrisC_> OK Joaopinto, going to try that now.
[15:06] <theadmin> Dimmuxx: That is, one from Ubuntu's repos? That might be a few releases behind...
[15:06] <Aji-Dahaka> I haven't gotten to play with ubuntu+1 much since it doesn't boot on my laptop
[15:06] <Dimmuxx> it's not it's 2.6.6 with some extra patches
[15:06] <Dimmuxx> like the patch that makes the icon transparent
[15:07] <Dimmuxx> which will be in 2.7.0
[15:07] <Dimmuxx> officially
[15:07] <theadmin> Dimmuxx: uhm, it IS transparent for me, looks the same on black and white theme, and I'm using their repo build
[15:07] <theadmin> so... o-O
[15:07] <trism> libnotify is for the popup notifications, libindicate is what puts it in the indicator-applet
[15:08] <Dimmuxx> theadmin: if you use lucid you will have the lucid version now
[15:08] <Dimmuxx> since it's newer than the latest in pidgin's repo
[15:08] <Dimmuxx> and I assume you do since you are in the lucid channel :P
[15:08] <theadmin> Dimmuxx: Uh...hm... o_O Well, i dunno, point is i had one from their repo whilst on Karmic, dunno wud happened during the update though :D
[15:09] <theadmin> that Lucid gdm became even more of a mess. No animations at all? Come on, what the.
[15:09] <theadmin> Now I should make an important decision... stay on Lucid till the next LTS or go on with mainstream...
[15:10] <joaopinto> theadmin, there is a splash on animation, tha'ts done by plymouth, gdm does not need an animation, it's just a login screen, not a splash
[15:10] <theadmin> ...no way. If maverick will have gnome 3 then I must get it... but... grah. Well, still half-a-year to decide
[15:11] <theadmin> joaopinto: It had a "ubuntu" logo with some moving bar before. And i can tell ya, THAT is gdm.
[15:11] <Dimmuxx> it wasn't
[15:11] <theadmin> Cause it displayed it after i chose the user
[15:11] <theadmin> and entered the password
[15:12] <joaopinto> that is not gdm, that is gnome or whatever session you login into
[15:12] <joaopinto> gdm does not have a progress bar, because there is nothing to progress on it
[15:12]  * theadmin misses the volume notification icon
[15:12] <michael2> theadmin: but why it does not work by opening it SunJava after the right clik the Jdownloader.jar ?
[15:12] <theadmin> joaopinto: It wasn't a progress bar, just a bar moving to right and left
[15:12] <theadmin> michael2: dunno
[15:12] <joaopinto> michael2, there is a bug reported about that
[15:13] <joaopinto> theadmin, odd, never saw such bar
[15:13] <marienz> theadmin: volume notification icon?
[15:13] <marienz> that sounds like a thing I still have
[15:13] <theadmin> marienz: Yup, that thing which is supposed to show the volume. It's gone over here.
[15:13] <theadmin> I now have to use keyboard volume control buttons -_-
[15:13] <michael2> ok thank you!
[15:13] <marienz> it's different, but it's still there. Both an icon on the panel and a notification if I press the volume up/down keys on my keyboard.
[15:14] <michael2> i will wai for updates...
[15:14] <marienz> theadmin: is volume-indicator installed?
[15:14] <theadmin> marienz: Lemme see
[15:14] <marienz> err, I lied
[15:14] <marienz> sec
[15:14] <theadmin> marienz: dpkg -l | grep volume-indicator returns nobody
[15:14] <theadmin> nothing*
[15:14] <marienz> theadmin: indicator-sound, my bad
[15:15] <theadmin> marienz: seems that yes, "ii  indicator-sound                      0.2.2-0ubuntu1"
[15:15] <zniavre> gnome-volume-control-applet ?
[15:15] <marienz> zniavre: that's the old one
[15:16]  * theadmin wonders what on earth does "Radiance" mean
[15:17] <marienz> theadmin: hmm, now I just need to figure out what should be starting indicator-sound-service, I think
[15:17] <theadmin> marienz: I think you don't get it. That notification box DOES appear when i use volup/voldown keys on my kbd, just the icon is missing
[15:17] <marienz> theadmin: I know
[15:18] <marienz> theadmin: the icon on the panel, right?
[15:18] <theadmin> marienz: Yeah
[15:18] <theadmin> Can't find it in "Add to panel" either
[15:18] <marienz> theadmin: that used to be an applet, but it's now an indicator (it'll show up in the "indicator applet" applet on your panel)
[15:19] <marienz> theadmin: do you have the "indicator applet" applet (the one showing among other things an envelope allowing you to reach email/messaging)?
[15:19] <theadmin> marienz: ...no. I found it way useless in Karmic so removed it since i used neither evolution nor empathy
[15:19] <marienz> theadmin: you may want to add that back and remove just the indicators that you don't like
[15:20] <theadmin> marienz: Allrighty, this solves it
[15:20] <theadmin> I hope they just don't put NM into this one o_O
[15:20] <marienz> I'm actually a little surprised they didn't
[15:20] <marienz> but perhaps they didn't have the time to figure out how to sanely merge the right-click and left-click menu for the nm applet.
[15:21] <gellmar> hello! The Ubuntu Lucid RC is there, however the swapon problem still exists for me
[15:21] <gellmar> is there a way to get a verbose output from swapon?
[15:21] <theadmin> marienz: problem with that? :/ just put that all into one menu :D
[15:21] <yofel> gellmar: well, '-v' or '--verbose', if that doesn't tell you anything use strace
[15:22] <gellmar> yofel: hi! glad to see you here :)
[15:22] <yofel> :)
[15:23] <theadmin> Hm. And I thought they made Yahoo the default search provider. Guess it was a cake.
[15:23] <yofel> they changed back
[15:23] <dejot_> google offered enough, i guess :)
[15:23] <marienz> theadmin: yeah, I'm not sure why they haven't.
[15:24] <theadmin> marienz: Yahoo is meh for those who have slow internet, it takes ages to load over here. Good enough of a reason to forget about it for me.
[15:24] <yofel> https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-April/030589.html
[15:24] <marienz> theadmin: I was referring to the NM applet.
[15:24] <theadmin> marienz: Ah
[15:24] <yofel> maling list announcement
[15:25] <theadmin> bleh that purple color scheme is kind of annoying
[15:26] <markl_> is anyone here familiar with the ubuntu 10.04 boot process?
[15:26] <joaopinto> markl_, minimally yes
[15:26] <markl_> e.g. how does upstart emit events without dbus-daemon?
[15:27] <yofel> markl_: upstart has it's own even system I think
[15:27] <theadmin> GRUB - Upstart - plymouth - gdm - desktop, kinda like this...
[15:27] <theadmin> :D
[15:27] <markl_> theadmin: heh exactly :)
[15:28] <joaopinto> markl_, man initctl, it's described on the "--system" description
[15:28] <perlsyntax> Has anyone try  put ubuntu 10.04 on the laptop?
[15:28] <joaopinto> perlsyntax, better ask your question, plenty of people here using laptops
[15:28] <theadmin> Is there any way to make GDM automatically select a user (I haz only 1) yet still ask password?
[15:28] <perlsyntax> i get to a part of the install and i don't see anything.
[15:29] <markl_> i'm trying to bring it up in openvz and when i have it do "initctl emit filesystem", it doesn't seem to pass anything on to rc-sysinit.conf:start on filesystem
[15:29] <joaopinto> theadmin, setup autologin ?
[15:29] <perlsyntax> It work on my dell desktop.
[15:29] <markl_> which means no real services other than plymouthd
[15:29] <rapha> so, the rc sucks, compared to beta2 - hamster says i earned 300€ less and thunderbird just segfaults
[15:29] <markl_> but manually doing init 2 works
[15:29] <theadmin> joaopinto: That's not the point, I want it to ask for password, not login automatically. Just do not ask the username
[15:29] <joaopinto> markl_, did you check mountall.conf ? It needs to emit other signals
[15:29] <theadmin> rapha: Those are regressions :(
[15:29] <joaopinto> theadmin, ah, sorry, I don't think there is such a feature
[15:30] <markl_> joaopinto: yeah i replaced the mountall script with a bunch of initctl emits
[15:30] <markl_> since mountall is not usable in this environment
[15:30] <joaopinto> markl_, ah :\
[15:30] <markl_> but initctl seems to hate running without dbus-daemon
[15:30] <rapha> theadmin: known ones?
[15:30] <theadmin> rapha: Dunno
[15:30] <markl_> and even with dbus-daemon it silently fails rather than bombing out
[15:30] <joaopinto> markl_, did you use --system :) ?
[15:30] <rapha> hmm i'll report 'em
[15:30] <markl_> joaopinto: what is --system?
[15:30] <perlsyntax> Does anyone have prob installing ubuntu 10.04 on there ibm r50e laptop?
[15:31] <joaopinto> markl_, grr, you didn't read the man :)
[15:31] <markl_> joaopinto: to actually answer your question, "no" :)
[15:31] <markl_> joaopinto: for initctl?
[15:31] <joaopinto> yes for initctl
[15:31] <theadmin> what the heck? Update changed my .bashrc to how it was before. I thought it does NOT touch $HOME?
[15:31] <joaopinto> it's too long to past here
[15:31] <joaopinto> theadmin, afaik it does not
[15:32] <yofel> theadmin: that should never happen...
[15:32] <theadmin> ...weirdness. Oh well, i haz backup around here somewhere
[15:32] <yofel> and  never happend here
[15:32] <gellmar> yofel:http://pastebin.fr/7674
[15:32] <markl_> joaopinto: ah, i want it to work without dbus though.  so maybe i need to bring up "lo" before it will work?
[15:32] <markl_> is 127.0.0.1 what it means by "private socket"?
[15:33] <rapha> also the notifications dont turn transparent anymore when i mouse-over them - which makes them even more annoying
[15:33] <joaopinto> hum, no idea :P
[15:33] <yofel> markl_: that's the localhost IP
[15:33] <rapha> sometimes i could just strangulate mark for his extreme minimalism
[15:33] <yofel> markl_: it should be 127.0.0.1:<socket> I think
[15:34] <yofel> could be utterly wrong there though..
[15:34] <markl_> easy enough to test here, i'll try it
[15:34] <markl_> upstart sure is more flexible and configurable than init.
[15:34] <markl_> at the expense of simplicity
[15:36] <pomp_i> Hi ! I am installing from "Software Center" Eclipse but it paused on %74 when "installing packages; applying changes". I am waiting for 20 minutes but the installation is still in the same percent. What did you prefer to do now ?
[15:36] <joaopinto> uptstart is still young :)
[15:37] <joaopinto> pomp_i, doesn't it show some other error on the terminal ?
[15:37] <Reckon> is there a place detailing the boot process?
[15:37] <joaopinto> Reckon, nothing complete
[15:37] <joaopinto> not with the recent changes
[15:37] <pomp_i> terminal ? i am installing the eclipse from "software center". there is no terminal here.
[15:38] <joaopinto> pomp_i, hum, good point :P
[15:38] <pomp_i> :)
[15:38] <joaopinto> pomp_i, kill it, and retry from terminal sudo apt-get install
[15:38] <joaopinto> to check what's going on
[15:38] <pomp_i> ops :( if i kill it the system will be damaged ?
[15:38] <joaopinto> pomp_i, no, you should be able to resume without problems
[15:39] <joaopinto> you may get a broken package, but that's fixable
[15:40] <markl_> i wasn't sure if "private socket" meant a unix domain socket or something
[15:41] <pomp_i> i close the software center. i open the software center again. it resume and it finished now :) it solved. thank you! :)
[15:41] <yofel> markl_: if rc-sysinit doesn't start: are you sure that the 'lo' network device is up?
[15:42] <theadmin> Why are upgrades oh-so-much longer then regular installs? o_O
[15:42] <joaopinto> theadmin, because it's a much complex process  ?
[15:43] <theadmin> also, where can i find the upgrade log?
[15:43] <yofel> theadmin: because you have to download the packages and because you usually always have additional software installed?
[15:43] <theadmin> yofel: Yes, but so? I mean, all the same packages. It took 2 hours to just INSTALL the upgrade (5 hours to download), and regular install goes in like 15 minutes
[15:43] <yofel> /var/log/dist-upgrade/ I think, I don't have any logs here so I can't check
[15:44] <theadmin> There, found it, /var/log/dist-upgrade/term.log
[15:44] <theadmin> thanks yofel
[15:46] <theadmin> Lucid is faster then Karmic... wonder how, if it has much more stuff loaded usually (i.e. that me menu thing...)
[15:47] <markl_> yofel: af/win 30
[15:47] <mininessie> does anyone know how to search for multiverse updates in update manager
[15:48] <joaopinto> the boot process was significantly changed for performance
[15:48] <theadmin> hmnh. They did not remove GIMP :/ Although I thought they will
[15:48] <yofel> mininessie: like for every other package too
[15:48] <theadmin> joaopinto: It not only boots faster, but operates too
[15:48] <yofel> theadmin: removed from the CD, not the repos
[15:48] <pomp_i> I have installed the chronium browser just for looking my gmail. It will starts automatically at startup by loading gmail. But chronium does not stays on system tray icon. Why? I use "alltray" but it does not works for chronium. (alltray works for other windows)
[15:48] <mininessie> yofel: yes
[15:49] <theadmin> yofel: Ah. Guess I forgot to remove it on Karmic :/
[15:51] <theadmin> :P Just 6 days away from the final release, yet I can proudly brag that I participated in RC testing
[15:51] <doc`> trying to get internet working, think its some kind of ipv6 issue, can connect to router but if i follow this https://store.opendns.com/setup/device/ubuntu/ i cant connect to the router
[15:52] <mininessie> yofel: what is the apt line link for multiverse
[15:52] <theadmin> mininessie: Sec
[15:53] <mininessie> theadmin: okay
[15:53] <yofel> mininessie: there is no seperate line, enable the multiverse repository and run aptitude update and full-upgrade
[15:53] <mininessie> yofel: how
[15:53] <yofel> mininessie: or do you mean  the sources.list entry?
[15:54] <yofel> mininessie: just enable it in software sources
[15:54] <theadmin> mininessie: Well, this is what I have here... http://paste.ubuntu.com/421073/
[15:56] <ChrisC___> How do I set nomodeset on an installed version of 10.04, I'm currently running from a live CD.
[15:57] <ChrisC___> This is doing my head in please help someone. Bloody ATI cards.
[15:57] <ChrisC___> Anyone?
[15:58] <ChrisC___> It must be a txt file or something to enable this mode.
[15:58] <ChrisC___> I don't want to go back and install 9.10 again.
[15:58] <yofel> ChrisC___: no, you add it to the kernel grub line
[15:58] <ChrisC___> OK Thank you sir.
[15:59] <ChrisC___> I'm currently in a live CD environment how would I go about setting that please.
[16:00] <yofel> ChrisC___: either reboot and hold left shift pressed to get to the kernel list and add it there and then set it permanently or chroot from the live disk and set it permanently, which way do you want?
[16:00] <ChrisC___> The second.
[16:00] <ChrisC___> Cos I have you at the moment, and I don't want to lose you. ;)
[16:01] <yofel> ChrisC___: first chroot to the system as described here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD and come back when you get to the 'adjust /etc/default/grub' part
[16:01] <yofel> we don't need the part after that
[16:04] <Htron> Anyone know how to disable the NX execution warning on login?
[16:04] <ChrisC___> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$ sudo mount /dev/sda2 /mnt/boot
[16:04] <ChrisC___> mount: you must specify the filesystem type
[16:04] <ChrisC___> ubuntu@ubuntu:~$
[16:04] <ChrisC___> What do I do there?
[16:04] <yofel> ChrisC___: are you *sure* that sda2 is your root partition?
[16:05] <ChrisC___> let me check
[16:05] <yofel> ChrisC___: I mean /boot as that's what you're trying to do
[16:05] <ChrisC___> No it's extended.
[16:05] <yofel> ChrisC___: do you even have /boot seperately?
[16:06] <ChrisC___> Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
[16:06] <ChrisC___> /dev/sda1   *           1       18803   151027712   83  Linux
[16:06] <ChrisC___> /dev/sda2           18803       19458     5260289    5  Extended
[16:06] <ChrisC___> /dev/sda5           18803       19458     5260288   82  Linux swap / Solaris
[16:06] <yofel> you do not
[16:06] <ChrisC___> Does that help?
[16:06] <Ken8521> ChrisC___, use a pastebin for crying out loud
[16:06] <theadmin> Ken8521: That's called "flooding", not "crying out loud"
[16:06] <Ken8521> :)
[16:07] <Ken8521> crying out loud was an expression
[16:07] <ChrisC___> What's a pastebin?
[16:07] <yofel> ChrisC___: skip the mounting of /boot if 'ls /mnt/boot' gives you a list of initrds and other stuff
[16:07] <Ken8521> !paste | ChrisC___
[16:07] <ChrisC___> I never use IRC. Sorry.
[16:07] <Ken8521> !topic
[16:07] <thiebaude> Ken8521, hi
[16:08] <thiebaude> and everyone
[16:08] <Ken8521> thiebaude, :) yo
[16:08] <thiebaude> :)
[16:08] <Ken8521> any luck w/ ubuntu studio?
[16:08] <thiebaude> Ken8521, well i got the rc on here now
[16:08] <Ken8521> oh yeah?.. fix the probs?
[16:08] <ChrisC___> Right yofel. I got to where you want me.
[16:08] <thiebaude> eww, studio was slow and used tooo much memory ram
[16:08] <thiebaude> nope not studio
[16:09] <Ken8521> hmm... never used it
[16:09] <yofel> ChrisC___: ok, now open /etc/default/grub in nano as it says
[16:09] <ChrisC___> Already done.
[16:09] <thiebaude> i was using just as much mem as windows 7
[16:09] <thiebaude> it
[16:09] <Ken8521> hmm, so how is the RC working?
[16:09] <Ken8521> fix the shutdown prob?
[16:09] <yofel> ChrisC___: and change "quiet splash" to "quiet splash nomodeset"
[16:09] <thiebaude> its working great still have that bug:(
[16:09] <theadmin> yofel: Might of use nosplash as well for better logging and remove the quiet
[16:10] <Ken8521> ugh
[16:10] <thiebaude> yea
[16:10] <thiebaude> lol
[16:10] <Ken8521> well, its gotta get fixed.. eventually
[16:10] <thiebaude> yea i know:)
[16:10] <yofel> theadmin: I don't think nosplash has any effect today, and removing splash might disable mount errors too
[16:10] <theadmin> Now, let's see if Lucid will eat my mic
[16:10] <thiebaude> but i dont hear noises from the hd anymore when i start up in the morning
[16:10] <ChrisC___> Done. I took out the quiet I like to see what's going on.
[16:11] <thiebaude> i shut down after i log out
[16:11] <ChrisC___> Is this a wrap up now? Thank you for you help kind regards.
[16:11] <yofel> ChrisC___: ok, save the file and run 'update-grub'
[16:12] <theadmin> gah, i instinctively move mouse to the right of window bar and start clicking like crazy... Keep forgetting they moved it XD
[16:12] <yofel> ChrisC___: if that runs fine then run the unmount commands from the wiki page and try to reboot, I hope I didn't miss anything
[16:12] <Ken8521> theadmin, they are easy enough to move back to the right
[16:12] <ChrisC___> I can't update-grub
[16:13] <Ken8521> personally, i can't stand them being on the left
[16:13] <theadmin> Ken8521: No, I want to be with defaults. Gotta learn to use other locations too, what if i'll be forced to use a mac?
[16:13] <Ken8521> that was the first thing i changed.
[16:13] <ChrisC___> Hang on I think it's worked.
[16:13] <yofel> ChrisC___: you ran 'sudo chroot /mnt' before right?
[16:13] <yofel> ah ok
[16:13] <ChrisC___> Let me un-mount.
[16:13] <ChrisC___> Yes.
[16:13] <Ken8521> theadmin, well, if you're forced to use a mac, i doubt Ubuntu is gonna help you much w/ that
[16:14] <Ken8521> no more than windows would anyway
[16:14] <theadmin> Ken8521: :D Yes but in macs you won't be able to move... so... Well... Let's learn, why not? I take new things with pleasure, i'm not conservative.
[16:15] <Ken8521> theadmin, then why were you complaining about it?..lol
[16:15] <theadmin> Ken8521: I'm complaining about my habits lol
[16:15] <Ken8521> ..
[16:16] <ChrisC___> sudo: unable to resolve host ubuntu
[16:16] <ChrisC___> umount: /mnt: not mounted
[16:16] <ChrisC___> I think I'm good to go.
[16:16] <ChrisC___> I have logged this IRC session in case I need to refer to it again.
[16:16] <ChrisC___> Thank you for your help.
[16:18] <Xeross> Are there some things that will decrease the chance of a persistent usb install breaking
[16:18] <Xeross> has happened to often now, even on just applying updates
[16:20]  * thiebaude forced hmm
[16:21] <theadmin> God what the HECK? It auto-assigned audio files to audacity o_O
[16:24] <Alan> I was wondering, do HAL policies do anything any more?
[16:24] <theadmin> Alan: HAL is completely removed from Lucid if i understand properly
[16:24] <Alan> Seems that ubuntu has thrown out HAL? but /etc/hal/fdi/policy still exists...
[16:24] <yofel> no, it's not
[16:25] <yofel> Alan: they still have an effect for those apps that still use HAL (not much left though)
[16:25] <Alan> yofel: but Xorg won't be one of them?
[16:25] <yofel> I don't think so
[16:25] <theadmin> yofel: "This release fully removes HAL  from the boot process, making Ubuntu faster to boot and faster to resume  from suspend.   "
[16:25] <Alan> basically, i'm trying to convert my policy for my mouse that remaps button 8 as a 2nd button 2
[16:25] <yofel> everythiing in the DEFAULT ubuntu system doesn't require hal
[16:26] <Alan> i have it as a HAL policy, but i just can't get my head around how to do it as a udev rule...
[16:26] <yofel> applications that still need hal include KDE or pitivi afaik
[16:26] <theadmin> yofel: pitivi IS in the default install
[16:26] <Alan> mainly because, just like HAL, i can't find any documentation on what kind of language-in-a-blender syntax udev rules are, and what information is available...
[16:26] <yofel> oh, then it was something else, I'm only sure about KDE
[16:27] <yofel> hal isn't started on boot now anyway, it's started by dbus as soon as an application tries to access it
[16:28] <Alan> does anybody here know their way around udev (or at least how it applies to xorg), and could tell me what the equivalent check would be for: <match key="info.product" string="Logitech USB Trackball">
[16:28] <Alan> ?
[16:28] <Alan> the USB trackball wiki entry is using different variables to filter for udev
[16:34] <bp0> why was HAL thrown out?
[16:34] <yofel> bp0: deprecated
[16:34] <yofel> replaced by udev, (upower, udisks, and whatever)
[16:34] <theadmin> The same reason we're trowing out sysvinit and xorg.conf...
[16:36] <gartral> how do i find a folder that's probably hidden in a .folder?
[16:36] <Htron> theadmin, what's replacing xorg.conf?
[16:36] <Htron> gartral, ls -a?
[16:36] <yofel> Htron: auto-configuration
[16:36] <theadmin> Htron: I'm unsure who replaces it, but i guess xrandr
[16:37] <Htron> yofel, somewhere there still needs to be a config file, even if its autogenerated, that saves resolutions, orientations, positioning, etc
[16:37] <yofel> xorg.conf is now used ot override the automatic configuration
[16:37] <theadmin> gartral: find /your/.folder -iname 'name-of-folder-to-look-for'
[16:37] <gartral> Htron: from ~/ im trying to find the /steam/ folder that playonlinux installed.. its not in /.wine and not in /.PlayonLinux
[16:37] <zekoZeko> gartral: find . -type d -name name_of_folder_you_are_searching_for
[16:37] <theadmin> gartral: find $HOME -type d -iname 'steam'
[16:38] <Htron> gartral, find ~? -name steam
[16:38] <zekoZeko> gartral: or -iname \*part_of_name\*
[16:38] <yofel> Htron: no, all those settings are automatically set when X starts, they don't get stored anywhere
[16:38] <Htron> gartral, er, find ~ -name steam
[16:38] <zekoZeko> gartral: iname is not case sensitive as opposed to name
[16:38] <theadmin> And as far as I'm aware Steam creates it like "Steam", not like "steam"
[16:38] <Htron> yofel, how does it auto detect where my monitors are positioned relative to each other?
[16:39] <yofel> Htron: no idea, please ask an X dev that...
[16:39] <theadmin> Well, "iname" is better to use here
[16:39] <Htron> yofel, it can't, clearly there's still configuration stored somewhere
[16:40] <theadmin> boooy nautilus RCM is overloaded now.
[16:40] <theadmin> :/
[16:40] <yofel> Htron: well, monitors carry EDID information with their supported resolutions and the graphics drivers propably have stored settings too
[16:40] <yofel> Htron: if YOU CHANGE something then it get's stored in xorg.conf to override the auto-config
[16:40] <theadmin> "Copy to", "move to"... :/
[16:42] <Alan> aha
[16:42] <Alan> FINALLY
[16:42] <theadmin> Alan: hm?
[16:42] <theadmin> Wonder whether someone will create #ubuntu-release-party again when Lucid is out :D
[16:43] <yofel> it should be there
[16:43] <theadmin> Right now it directs me to #ubuntu-offtopic
[16:43] <z0rt|work> i'll bring the e-dom perignon
[16:43] <Pici> theadmin: closer to the relase date.
[16:43] <Htron> yofel, and if YOU USE CAPS it doesn't make you look like you know what you're talking about anymore than regular text. I'm sure there's some Xorg/X11/Xrandr configuration getting stashed somewhere, as autoconfiguration can only do things like determine what modes exist and what drivers I'm using or what monitors are connected, not what resolution I want on them and how I want each of them to behave
[16:43] <theadmin> Pici: I guess, rather, after the release
[16:43] <Alan> theadmin: i think i found the variables and values i need, but the rule still isn't applying...
[16:43] <Pici> theadmin: No, the week of the release it will be open.
[16:43] <Alan> maybe i need a reboot?
[16:44] <theadmin> Pici: This week _is_ the week of the release. Six days.
[16:44] <Pici> theadmin: I mean on the 25th/26th.
[16:44] <bp0> so gnome-device-manager is out too then?
[16:44] <yofel> Htron: well, it should select the highest possible resolution by default
[16:44] <theadmin> Pici: Ah
[16:44] <Pici> theadmin: Sorry, I meant the weekend before, I should have clarified.
[16:45] <theadmin> by the way, even though resolution is the same, my screen feels sorta... bigger... any idea?
[16:45] <Alan> Oh, well
[16:45] <Alan> actually the rule is applying
[16:45] <Alan> which is good
[16:45] <Alan> it's just not taking effect
[16:45] <Alan> "udevadm info" gives me the correct new button mapping
[16:46] <theadmin> resolution is ye plaine olde 1280x800 yet it feels kinda like 1280x1024 :/
[16:48] <theadmin> what does the following weirdness in xrandr output mean, by the way? "(normal left inverted right x axis y axis)"
[16:50] <mbeierl> anyone know if evolution is ever going to support proper edit for html?  Where you can actually specify the font?
[16:51] <nerdy_kid> running commandline install of lucid with intel i915 driver and everything is flashing.
[16:52] <theadmin> Any way to change the bootsplash now?
[16:54] <yofel> theadmin: it should use the last theme you installed (by using the default.plymouth alternative)
[16:54] <Alan> Huh, i have an interesting regression since Jaunty, not sure if it was in Karmic though (since karmic was always too unstable on my desktop)
[16:54] <theadmin> yofel: How about a custom image?
[16:54] <Alan> but basically... GDM now shows up as cloned on both monitors
[16:54] <yofel> theadmin: do you mean the grub menu or plymouth?
[16:54] <Alan> rather than understanding that i have 2 displays
[16:55] <nasevz> after update to 10.04 I can't login. I get message "module is unknown". Anybody knows how to fix?
[16:55] <theadmin> yofel: Uhhh... Plymouth.
[16:55] <yofel> theadmin: plymouth needs themes I think (I don't know very much to be honest though), maybe check how the ubuntu theme is set up?
[16:55] <Alan> Also, does anybody ever look at artwork on a large screen?  the current bootsplash on the RC is UGLY, looks like it's poorly rescaled from 640x480 to 1920x1200
[16:55] <Alan> the only redeeming feature is that i don't see it for very long...
[16:56] <yofel> Alan: nvidia?
[16:56] <Alan> yofel: ATI
[16:56] <Alan> yofel: both with and without proprietary driver
[16:56] <bp0> yeah, what is up with the splash being so low res?
[16:56] <bp0> the install cd wasnt
[16:56] <yofel> well, plymouth needs Kernel Mode Setting
[16:56] <bp0> its only on screen for about 2 seconds, but still
[16:56] <yofel> if you turn that off it will give you low res
[16:57] <Alan> how do i know if that's turned on or off?
[16:57] <yofel> and neither fglrx nor nvidia have KMS support anyway
[16:57] <Alan> oh
[16:57] <yofel> Alan: did you use something like nomodeset?
[16:57] <Alan> yofel: I've barely done anything to this install
[16:58] <yofel> you can set the framebuffer res by hand from grub if you want for them, work fine for me with nvidia 195
[16:58] <Alan> also, my general graphics performance appears to have regressed since Jaunty
[16:58] <Alan> things like switching desktop background, dragging windows etc
[16:58] <Alan> with compiz turned off
[16:58] <Alan> an with proprietary driver
[16:58] <Alan> *and
[17:01] <Alan> well this is a bit of a failure
[17:01] <Alan> either this wiki page is wrong
[17:01] <Alan> or.... udev is a confusing maze
[17:01] <docx> hi, i have updated from karmic to rc lucid and i'm noticing "problem" with plymouth. So plymouth shows me boot splash in ~10 seconds after grub loaded kernel. only white blinking cursor line is visible. then splash shows for only ~1-5 sec and then already shows login screen.. could I do something with it?
[17:02] <Alan> huh, yeah, i'm getting what docx has too ... :|
[17:04] <Ken8521> docx, plymouth has been causing a varying degree of problems throughout the beta... I wouldn't count on a minor issue like that, being fixed before final release..
[17:04] <docx> OK, i would only know if that behavior is normal or buggy :)
[17:05] <docx> or if it is caused by update
[17:06] <docx> and yeah, i agree with you that this is minor thing..
[17:06] <rye> docx, you might want to install bootchart to see what your system actually does during that 10 seconds
[17:06] <yofel> I think I get that too, I guess it doesn't properly detect when the framebuffer is up
[17:07] <_stink_> hey folks.  is the nouveau driver in lucid repos the same as what's in the xorg-edgers/nouveau ppa?  or is the ppa newer?  i'm getting blank displays w/ nouveau, but want to use it over nvidia.
[17:07] <docx> rye, I'll try it, thanks :)
[17:09] <nasevz> anybody knows what means "module is unknown" when I try to login?
[17:09] <Alan> Also, congrats on getting boot times down... but GNOME is taking about 25s to load for me :|
[17:09] <yofel> nasevz: where does it tell you that?
[17:09] <patdk-wk> nasevz, sounds like a pam issue
[17:10] <nasevz> when I try to log in
[17:11] <nasevz> i choose username and pass, but i can't login
[17:11] <aboSamoor> on log in I face a dialog that says power manager is not responding, it does not block the logging process but it pops in intrusive way with no meaning, any idea ?
[17:11] <nasevz> any tips how to repair?
[17:14] <gnulu> hey all,
[17:14] <gnulu> anybody using 10.04 and freanx/neatx
[17:16] <gnulu> how about policykt
[17:17] <gnulu> so did anyone have any kind of info on ubuntu?
[17:18] <gnulu> has anyone had any issues w/ videocards?
[17:19] <ratcheer> gnulu: What kind of video card?
[17:19] <Vigo> Dang, that was a huge update, is this RC 1 now?
[17:20] <Alan> ok, what the hell is broken in xorg? i'm setting the x11_options.ButtonMapping correctly with udev
[17:20] <Alan> but Xorg is ignoring it anyway
[17:20]  * Alan stabs
[17:20] <yofel> not really, a bunch of updates were held back due to rc freeze
[17:20] <ratcheer> Vigo: Yes, if you have installed all updates, you are on RC1
[17:20] <Vigo> Thank you.
[17:20] <Alan> However, if i use xinput set-button-map it does apply the button map i tell it to...
[17:21] <yofel> Alan: maybe ask in #ubuntu-x
[17:21] <BluesKaj> I'm trying to pin a text file to the panel >Was able to previously by just dragging it but now it just disappears behind the panel , any suggestions?
[17:23] <BluesKaj> tried attaching the file to the menu , but it won't launch
[17:23] <Alan> yofel: will do :)
[17:25] <BluesKaj> hmm, strange , it works now :)
[17:27] <gnulu> i don't have any issue, just curous
[17:27] <gnulu> i'm using neatx and was curious if anyone has tried setting up 3d graphic acceleration with freenx/neatx
[17:28] <gnulu> i'd like to see if i can game this way
[17:28] <ratcheer> gnulu: Ok. My nvidia card with proprietary driver is working, just great.
[17:29] <gnulu> yes i'm having good luck too!
[17:30] <Vigo> I got it working on an older Radeon
[17:30] <ugliefrog> volume is very low whats the fix
[17:33] <ratcheer> ugliefrog: Run alsamixer and check all the settings.
[17:35] <BluesKaj> Vigo, which radeon , onboard or pci ?
[17:35] <Vigo> BluesKaj: PCI
[17:36] <ugliefrog> ratcheer, ty ty that was tthe fix for me
[17:37] <BluesKaj> ok, Vigo, I transfered my nvidia 7600gt to our media server pc , so now I'm stuck with the old x200m onboard and it's pretty lean on the graphics
[17:37] <Vigo> BluesKaj: I also got the Intel working first, that is Onboard, then played with the Radeon ATI older PCI board, all works now.
[17:38] <ratcheer> ugliefrog: Glad I could help.
[17:39] <BluesKaj> this laptop has better graphics capabilities than my older compaq desktop , may have spend 50 bucks on another nvidia pci card for it :)
[17:40] <BluesKaj> err have to spend
[17:40] <Vigo> I have an old Compaq on the floor here, was going to test 10.10 on it and then revert it back to PC-BSD
[17:40] <sebsebseb> Vigo: 10.10 uhmm does not exist at all yet
[17:41] <sebsebseb> Did you mean 10.04?
[17:41] <Vigo> Yes
[17:46] <Ken8521_> why is xchat screwing up the logs so badly now?
[17:49] <Sensiva> Ken8521 I am really interested how xchat "screws up" the logs, please describe
[17:49] <Sensiva> to know*
[17:50] <Ken8521_> Sensiva, are you not seeing all the weird characters in your logs?
[17:50] <Sensiva> I didn't install lucid on a workstation yet
[17:50] <Ken8521_> hang on...
[17:50] <yofel> Ken8521_: weird characters? are you sure the viewer supports utf8?
[17:51] <Ken8521_> yofel, opening it w/ gedit, just like i always have.. should i open it w/ something else?
[17:51] <yofel> not sure, äüöþ <--- what do the logs show?
[17:52] <Ken8521_> yofel, old on... i'll show you
[17:52] <Ken8521_> yofel, here's a random log(was helping someone set up vbox)  http://paste.ubuntu.com/421145/
[17:53] <Ken8521_> that one is opened w/ Open Office writer, which supports utf8
[17:53] <Ken8521_> yofel, same log, but in gedit..  http://paste.ubuntu.com/421146/
[17:54] <Reckon> what version of java may I install? I only can find rpm packages and a bin file for Linux systems
[17:54] <Sensiva> I guess this log contains the color codes
[17:54] <Ken8521_> Sensiva, seems like it, but it should allow logging in html, if thats the case
[17:54] <yofel> Reckon: either use openjdk, and if that doesn't work use sun-java6 from Canonical Partner
[17:56] <Ken8521> grr, thought i turjned off auto reconnect
[17:56] <Reckon> yofel, thanks
[17:58] <blackxored> Hi guys, I was wondering, is grub2 on lucid compiled with LUKS support?
[17:58] <Ken8521> wonder if xchat-gnome will be any different
[17:59] <Reckon> which one "sun-java6-jdk_6.20dlj-1ubuntu3_i386.deb" or "sun-java6-bin_6.20dlj-1ubuntu3_i386.deb"
[18:00] <blackxored> anyone knows that?
[18:00] <yofel> KB1JWQ: well, I can't reproduce it here, just opened xchat and the chat logs look fine in gedit
[18:01] <blackxored> In the meantime, do I need a proxy server if I have ssh access to a machine which has outworld access, to access the internet from the machine I'm connecting to it?
[18:02] <blackxored> and back to the first question, if anyone knows if grub2 for lucid has LUKS support built-in, please let me knpow
[18:05] <Ken8521> yofel, very strange, xchat-gnome seems to log properly
[18:05] <Ken8521> maybe i should finally adapt to irssi
[18:05]  * yofel uses quassle, Is Qt4 though
[18:05] <yofel> *quassel
[18:06] <Ken8521> quassel? never heard of it
[18:06] <yofel> the default irc client in Kubuntu now, http://quassel-irc.org
[18:06] <Ken8521> hmm
[18:07] <Ken8521> i don't mind kde libs, i'll try it
[18:07] <yofel> you don't need kde libs I think, qt should be enough
[18:07] <blackxored> anyone???
[18:09] <yofel> blackxored: you're not being ignored, it's just that nobody is there that knows the answer right now
[18:13] <gartral|p> hi all
[18:14] <Reckon> blackxored: LUKS support for GRUB 2 is in work too by the way. - Exceprt from https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/grub2/+bug/481613/comments/1
[18:14] <nemo> WOOHOO
[18:14] <z0rt|work> Reckon: haha you beat me to it
[18:14] <nemo> Finally FINALLY fixed my horribly slow DNS in lucid
[18:14] <nemo> about bloody time
[18:14] <nemo> "fixed"
[18:14] <s0u][ight> hi guys, i installed ubuntu 10.04 rc to a gpt partition and grub to the bootsector of that partition, now my windows bootloader is screwed
[18:14] <s0u][ight> can't fix it using windows 7 install disk
[18:15] <gartral|p> nemo slo dns? im seeing similar issues, what was your fix?
[18:15] <nemo> http://www.debian-administration.org/article/Disabling_IPv6_under_a_2.6_kernel
[18:15] <s0u][ight> and grub isn't able to boot into win7
[18:15] <nemo> gartral|p: I tried a ridiculous number of ways to disable ipv6
[18:15] <s0u][ight> is there any way to fix this?
[18:15] <nemo> gartral|p: I also had to disable the mdns thing which was causing failed lookups for local hosts
[18:15] <Alan> Bleh, i still can't work this out :(
[18:15] <Alan> why does xorg hate me... :(
[18:15] <SwedeMike> nemo: no, you worked around it, fixing your broken ipv6 connectivity would have been a better solution.
[18:16] <nemo> SwedeMike: that's why I said "fixed"
[18:16] <nemo> SwedeMike: however. that is soooooo the wrong answer
[18:16] <nemo> SwedeMike: if Ubuntu now starts becoming unusable on major corporate networks it is laughable to suggest users "fix" their DNS
[18:16] <SwedeMike> nemo: what?
[18:16] <SwedeMike> nemo: you missed the point completely.
[18:16] <gartral|p> alan whats wrong?
[18:17] <nemo> SwedeMike: My karmic box works fine, my lucid one does not. and I cannot change my DNS servers.
[18:17] <Reckon> z0rt|work, we are slackers. He could do the same I did... just make a single search to find out that
[18:17] <nemo> or routing
[18:17] <SwedeMike> nemo: did you diagnose the problem? what exactly is going wrong that is ipv6 related?
[18:17] <nemo> SwedeMike: all I know is getaddrinfo hangs - I expect it is probably due to the reason specified in :
[18:17] <nemo> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/eglibc/+bug/417757?comments=all
[18:18] <nemo> SwedeMike: that is, the DNS server is dropping IPv6 requests
[18:18] <nemo> so I have to wait several seconds while it times out
[18:18] <nemo> SwedeMike: but, since I have no control over those servers, it is ubuntu's behaviour that is an issue
[18:18] <SwedeMike> nemo: why does your machine think it has ipv6 connectivity at all? is teredo/6to4 enabled?
[18:18] <nemo> what is insane was how hard it was to turn off ipv6
[18:18] <Reckon_> what is a good boot time in seconds for Lucid?
[18:18] <SwedeMike> nemo: so have you repotred this problem to the people running the dns servers?
[18:18] <nemo> SwedeMike: never heard of that. how do I check? but they certainly have no interest in ipv6 here
[18:19] <nemo> SwedeMike: that's the silly part. I mean, I'll try, but this company is massive
[18:19] <Alan> gartral|p: I'm trying to remap my mouse buttons, I used to be able to do it with HAL, i've found the correct way to do exactly the same thing with Xorg, but Xorg is ignoring  it
[18:19] <nemo> SwedeMike: a completely different company manages the network servers
[18:19] <SwedeMike> nemo: ip -6 r l would be a good idea first, to show why it thinks it has ipv6 connectivity.
[18:19] <nemo> SwedeMike: filing a ticket is like yelling down a mineshaft and hoping someone makes it out
[18:19] <gartral|p> alan a random stab: nvidia?
[18:19] <nemo> SwedeMike: I suppose this would require reenabling ipv6 to find out...
[18:20] <nemo> SwedeMike: can I use my karmic box which didn't require anything special done whatsoever?
[18:20] <SwedeMike> nemo: windows vista and 7 comes with a lot more ipv6 than ubuntu, so I guess they're broken as well.
[18:20] <Alan> gartral|p: firstly, no, secondly, why would that matter?  we're on about an input device here
[18:20] <Ken8521> yofel_: i'm kinda diggin' quassel.. how do you set up logging
[18:20] <SwedeMike> nemo: no, your karmic ox doesn't seem to be doing AAAA requests since you didnt have the problems there.
[18:20] <nemo> SwedeMike: we have plenty of those here, no reported issues
[18:21] <yofel_> Ken8521: oh heh, logging is somewhat odd, it stores everything in a sqlite database...
[18:21] <nemo> SwedeMike: perhaps windows 7 and vista give up after the first few failed lookups or something
[18:21] <nemo> they might be smarter about it
[18:21] <nemo> OSX is fine too btw
[18:21] <SwedeMike> nemo: well, then it would be interesting to actually diagnose the problem, because they would be doing AAA lookups as well unless they havew turned off ipv6 there as well
[18:21] <Ken8521> yofel_: hmm
[18:21] <nemo> no special configuration has been done by the vista/windows 7 users that I know of
[18:21] <z3r0-c001> how do i get my flash to instll properly
[18:21] <nemo> SwedeMike: I kinda need to actually get work done, and I'm incredibly relieved I finally have this issue solved.
[18:22] <nemo> SwedeMike: but if you hang out here, I'll get back to you on diagnosis by reenabling all this stuff again
[18:22] <gnulu> any freenx/neatx users here?
[18:22] <Ken8521> yofel_: well, one thing for sure, its way better than konversation, IMO
[18:22] <SwedeMike> nemo: I do, but not all the time.
[18:22] <Alan> hang on, is there yet ANOTHER way to configure this stuff?
[18:22] <gartral|p> alan ok, its because editing the xorg.conf while nvidia binblobs are in use is useless.. and nvidia-xconfig handles inputs..
[18:22] <nemo> SwedeMike: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/eglibc/+bug/417757/comments/281  (and 280 and 279) are me
[18:23] <SwedeMike> nemo: I just get annoyed when people disable ipv6 as the cure for, instead of fixing the actual problem. ipv6 is going to be needed, every body needs to shape up and get it working.
[18:23] <z3r0-c001> cant watch youtube cause it says i need flash when i install it still does not work please help someone
[18:23] <Alan> apparently the udev method of doing this is already deprecated....
[18:23] <Alan> fail :|
[18:23] <nemo> SwedeMike: that's all very well and good, but ubuntu needs to be smarter about this
[18:23] <z3r0-c001> hmmmm
[18:23] <nemo> SwedeMike: we wouldn't have to disable ipv6 if it was seamless
[18:23] <SwedeMike> nemo: I totally agree, ubuntu doesnt care enough either.
[18:23] <Alan> and /usr/lib/X11/xorg.conf.d/... is the way to go...
[18:23] <nemo> to tell the users to "fix" their dns is incredibly simplistic
[18:23] <SwedeMike> nemo: it's not seamless if other people break it.
[18:23] <yofel_> z3r0-c001: how did you install splash?
[18:23] <nemo> like folks saying "switch to opendns"
[18:23] <nemo> obviously not an option for me
[18:24] <SwedeMike> nemo: that's like saying the car manufacturers should fix the roads.
[18:24] <gartral|p> alan if you dont have nvidia, yea
[18:24] <nemo> SwedeMike: point is, if in fact the DNS servers are simply droping those requests, dammit, it should be possible to detect that
[18:24] <z3r0-c001> flash and i used package manager
[18:24] <nemo> SwedeMike: Try a probe, then disable IPv6 pending cooldown
[18:24] <SwedeMike> nemo: if they're dropping AAAA requests then they're just plain wrong.
[18:24] <nemo> SwedeMike: who cares if they are wrong. that's not the point
[18:25] <SwedeMike> nemo: but perhaps some kind of blackhole detection should be implemented, but the correct thing to do is to remove those broken nameservers
[18:25] <nemo> you're not going to get adoption by breaking people's systems
[18:25] <nemo> SwedeMike: sure. and I'll try to do that. I'm just warning you my chance of success on our network is less than 1%
[18:25] <nemo> and pissing off users and driving them back to windows is hardly the solution
[18:26] <z0rt|work> windows is never the solution
[18:26] <SwedeMike> nemo: I agree that more can be done, but just so we're sure about where the actual fault is. ubuntu is doing "best common practice"
[18:26] <SwedeMike> they're following the RFCs etc
[18:26] <SwedeMike> basically doing the same thing as windows as far as I know.
[18:27] <nemo> clearly that is NOT what windows is doing
[18:27] <nemo> since only Lucid is having any trouble here.
[18:27] <nemo> we have a fairly mixed env, and no other windows copy has had ANY issues on this front
[18:27] <nemo> or OSX
[18:27] <nemo> w/ same DNS servers.
[18:27] <nemo> So, well, yeah it may be best practices, but life isn't fair
[18:27] <nemo> virtually everything involving the web is a maze of workarounds for badly behaving applications and hw
[18:28] <nemo> sticking to principles on this will only get ubuntu driven out
[18:28] <SwedeMike> nemo: would be interesting to see a tcpdump of your dns queries when it doesn't work...
[18:28] <nemo> 'k.
[18:28] <nemo> well, I do need to get stuff wrapped up here and head home
[18:28] <nemo> SwedeMike: but I'll get back to you on that, possibly monday night
[18:29] <SwedeMike> nemo: check.
[18:29] <victor___> hola gente, ya he probado el ubuntu netbook edition (gnome) 10.04 y tengo que decir que no me ha gustado nada, no se integra al 100% con la netbook (hasta moblin reconocía mejor micrófono y botones de función), mi pregunta es que si sabéis qué tal anda kubuntu netbook 10.04
[18:29] <G_A_C> I don't think DNS servers ever drop an AAAA request when that's what's asked for, the problem is (I believe) with Ubuntu asking for those AAAA records when it can't ascertain that there is definitely IPv6 connectivity
[18:29] <Reckon> victor___, english please
[18:29] <Crashbit> victor___: language english
[18:29] <victor___> sorry
[18:29] <G_A_C> Windows defaults to asking for A records, which if you have the connectivity to get to the DNS server, you have connectivity to get to the IPv4 address as that's the more common scenario
[18:30] <G_A_C> however I believe Ubuntu (or poss. Linux) asks for AAAA in preference to A when IPv6 is enabled, whether or not it's configured
[18:30] <SwedeMike> G_A_C: there is nothing wrong with asking AAAA questions, they should be responded to just fine from the dns server. if it isn't, then it's broken.
[18:31] <G_A_C> yes, that's what I was trying to say :)
[18:31] <victor___> is anyone using KDE netbook edition Lucid? i just tried with the Gnome version on my netbook and it really sucks cause it didn't recognise the microphone nor other stuff...
[18:31] <G_A_C> but the way I understand it is that in certain circumstances, Ubuntu asks for something that it can't use
[18:31] <Alan> FINALLY
[18:31] <ne7work> some problems with 10.04 alpha 2 or no?
[18:31] <victor___> Reckon, which version are you using now?
[18:32] <z3r0-c001> can any one help me get flash installed
[18:32] <Reckon> victor installing rc version now
[18:32] <victor___> i jus tried de RC that came out 2 days ago...
[18:32] <yofel_> ne7work: we're at RC already...
[18:32] <victor___> Reckon, with Gnome?
[18:32] <G_A_C> so the DNS servers are behaving correctly, and providing the system with exactly the information it has asked for; however the system can't use it and that's not the DNS servers' fault...
[18:32] <Reckon> give me some minutes and I'll report
[18:32] <Reckon> yea, gnome
[18:33] <erkan^> how install I java on ubuntu 10.04 ? sun-java (not openjre or..)
[18:33] <SwedeMike> G_A_C: I don't think that's the problem as at all, the DNS server is simply dropping quad-A requests
[18:33] <yofel_> erkan^: you can install it from the Canonical Partner repository
[18:33] <ne7work> When I try to open http://127.0.0.1/phpmyadmin
[18:33] <ne7work> Not Found
[18:33] <ne7work> The requested URL /phpmyadmin was not found on this server.
[18:33] <ne7work> Apache/2.2.14 (Ubuntu) Server at 127.0.0.1 Port 80
[18:33] <ne7work> how to fix it?
[18:34] <erkan^> yes
[18:34] <erkan^> but I can not found, yofel
[18:34] <erkan^> yofel_
[18:34] <yofel_> erkan^: check in Software Sources in the Other Software tab if it's enabled
[18:34] <Reckon> ne7work, do you get anything typing 127.0.0.1?
[18:34] <victor___> anyone on KDE?
[18:35] <yofel_> ne7work: check your apache configuration?
[18:35] <ne7work> Reckon, yes apache2 works It works!
[18:35] <ne7work> This is the default web page for this server.
[18:35] <ne7work> The web server software is running but no content has been added, yet.
[18:35] <yofel_> victor___: yes
[18:35] <ne7work> how to configure apache2 to work with phpmyadmin
[18:35] <erkan^> http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu karmic partner
[18:35] <ne7work> how to connect phpmyadmin with apache2?
[18:35] <victor___> yofel_, do you know if the netbook edition runs on a netbook?
[18:35] <nemo> gartral|p: oh. before I head out. just curious. does that alias disabling solve it for you too?
[18:35] <victor___> i mean on the right way
[18:35] <erkan^> sorry
[18:36] <nemo> gartral|p: 'cause it might be that other mdns thingy.
[18:36] <yofel_> victor___: not sure, I use regular KDE here, works fine
[18:36] <ratcheer> erkan^: It is a little complicated, so I will refer you to the instructions - http://java.sun.com/javase/6/webnotes/install/index.html
[18:36] <yofel_> erkan^: press 'edit' change karmic to lucid and enable it after that
[18:36] <erkan^> which deb must I add in SOftware Source, yofel_
[18:36] <Reckon> erkan^, http://archive.canonical.com/ubuntu/pool/partner/s/sun-java6/?C=M;O=A
[18:36] <erkan^> ok
[18:37] <yofel_> erkan^: refresh the package cache after that and it should be available in  the software center
[18:37] <victor___> yea... i'm trying gnome but it doesn't work very well if so ill install the kde just to try and if it's the same... just keeping 9.10...
[18:37] <yofel_> ratcheer: no need for a manual installation, it's packaged for ubuntu
[18:38] <ratcheer> yofel_: Ok. I just do it manually because it always works.
[18:39] <erkan^> i go try
[18:39] <yofel_> ratcheer: might be, but you have to take care of every update yourself too then
[18:39] <yofel_> using the repository is less work
[18:39] <Tophu> is there anyone available that could assist me with this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1252492&highlight=10.04+touchscreen  walkthrough for setting up the touchscreen on my hp touchsmart tx2 in lucid?
[18:39] <erkan^> euh
[18:39] <ratcheer> yofel_: I agree. When it works.
[18:39] <erkan^> i have 64bits
[18:39] <yofel> erkan^: so?
[18:40] <erkan^> effe search
[18:41] <reagleBRKLN> I'm testing out the Kubuntu Lucid RC, my fonts are now a little bigger, I notice this sometimes happens when moving to a new release. Is this a xorg dpi thing or something?
[18:42] <Alan> Ugh, this is so going to bite me... why is Ubuntu Lucid shipping with xorg.conf.d in /usr/lib instead of /etc ?
[18:42] <nemo> SwedeMike: ugh. I still have slow DNS :(
[18:42] <nemo> SwedeMike: I can only guess my first couple of tests must have somehow been arp cached by something, despite the reboot
[18:43] <nemo> SwedeMike: if I didn't have to get going, I really do want to see what wireshark has to say :-/
[18:45] <SwedeMike> nemo: I'm very interested in the output of "tcpdump -s1500 -vvv -n -i <interface> port 53" says.
[18:45] <SwedeMike> amazing that nobody in https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/eglibc/+bug/417757?comments=all ever did that and checked what was actually happening on the wire.
[18:46] <SwedeMike> but it just confirms my view as an network engineer that server people don't know packets at all.
[18:46] <nemo> SwedeMike: long bugs are often a mix of many different problems
[18:46] <SwedeMike> and seem to hvae 0 interest in it as well
[18:46] <nemo> SwedeMike: I might be contributing to this.
[18:47] <nemo> hm.
[18:47] <nemo> that was a lot of traffic...
[18:47] <nemo> ok. let me sanitise and clean this up. SO can wait a few more minutes for me :D
[18:48] <SwedeMike> going to brush my teeth in the mean time :)
[18:49] <Tophu> are there any kind souls out there that can help walk a noob through a guide from the ubuntuforums?
[18:50] <crow> does xubuntu default find whole ram under 32bit? (have 2 amd opterons, and 16gb ram) server (for home use)
[18:51] <yofel> I don't think by default, as far as I know you need the -pae kernel for that
[18:51] <crow> yofel ok thnx
[18:52] <crow> but use of two cpu under 32bit is ok
[18:52] <z3r0-c001> no support
[18:52] <yofel> z3r0-c001: from the -generic-pae description:  Geared toward 32 bit desktop systems with more then 4GB RAM.
[18:53] <Reckon> crow, I may be wrong but no 32bit OS is able to address more than 4 Gbs of RAM
[18:54] <ratcheer> Tophu: Sure, I'll give it a try.
[18:54] <erkan^> yes it is passed!!!
[18:54] <erkan^> :D
[18:55] <Tophu> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1252492&highlight=10.04+touchscreen
[18:55] <Tophu> it's a walkthrough for setting up touchscreen in the latest 3 version of ubunut
[18:55] <Tophu> I have 10.04 beta 2 installed and just need a little help
[18:56] <Tophu> I know all the info is there I'm just having a hard time making heads or tales or what to do and the last time I tried there were errors while compiling and I didn't know what to do
[18:56] <ratcheer> Tophu: I am afraid that is not a subject I know anything about.
[18:56] <ratcheer> Sorry.
[18:56] <Tophu> darn ok thank you
[18:58] <th1_> this ubuntu is cooler yet than the old one :)
[18:58] <th1_> In fact its also the first that works on my main PC at all..
[18:59] <ratcheer> th1_: Yes, by a long shot.
[18:59] <Tophu> yea 10.04 seems amazing the pen works great out of the box and the mouse tracks with my finger just no click ability ... also iphone support is pimp
[18:59] <Tophu> oo that's another question with 10.04 and the native iphone support how can I upload songs to my iphone
[19:00] <th1_> I wouldn't want an iPhone for the same reason I wouldn't want to run Win as my main OS and be dependent on MS
[19:00] <ratcheer> Tophu: I have seen a lot of threads on ubuntuforums about that.
[19:00] <th1_> Win is needed for games though until Ubuntu comes with some hardcore emulator :)
[19:01] <JoshuaL> i have a router with 802.11n support, whenever i turn 802.11n support on and disable b/g and mixed my laptop wont connect using ubuntu
[19:01] <JoshuaL> using windows on the same laptop is able to connect
[19:01] <JoshuaL> what might be the issue?
[19:01] <erkan^> is 10.04 the best version than 9.10 ?
[19:01] <JoshuaL> disabling 802.11n will result in ubuntu being able to connect.
[19:01] <th1_> JoshuaL, what chipset is your wifi?
[19:02] <th1_> some Linux wifi drivers don't support n mode
[19:02] <JoshuaL> I'm using the broadcom sta wireless driver enabled via hardware drivers
[19:03] <th1_> the broadcom proprietary driver sucks but its worth checking if the one on http://www.broadcom.com/support/802.11/linux_sta.php is newer than the ubuntu one
[19:03] <JoshuaL> th1_, thanks i will
[19:04] <JoshuaL> th1_, how can i check what version im using?
[19:04] <Tophu> @ratcheer thanks
[19:04] <th1_> aptitude show broadcom-sta-common
[19:04] <th1_> but as far as I can see the latest ubuntu one is 5.10.91 and hte one on broadcom's site is 5.60.48
[19:05] <JoshuaL> indeed
[19:05] <th1_> worth giving a shot I'd say
[19:05] <Tophu> why is it ubuntu+1 is always more helpful than#ubuntu ;-)
[19:05] <JoshuaL> th1_, would it help if i fill in a bug requestion the 5.60.* driver?
[19:05] <th1_> JoshuaL, if it works in n mode then I'd say you have a good case for that bug report :)
[19:06] <th1_> I mean if it works in n mode with the new driver
[19:06] <JoshuaL> k thanks
[19:06] <JoshuaL> i will try once i get home again :)
[19:06] <CaNoc> hi
[19:06] <JoshuaL> !hi | CaNoc
[19:06] <CaNoc> how can I install flash 10.1 64bit for U 10.04?
[19:06] <yofel> JoshuaL: rather a backport request from maverick maybe, it's too late for a sync/merge now
[19:07] <yofel> !flash64
[19:07] <JoshuaL> yofel, meaning it wont be included in 10.04?
[19:07] <yofel> JoshuaL: most definitely not
[19:08] <JoshuaL> ah, then i dont think i have to fill in a bug report. im sure they will include a newer driver in maverick :)
[19:08] <yofel> JoshuaL: as I said, maybe file a backport request so it will get into lucid-backports, the newer driver will be auto-synced from debian for maverick
[19:09] <Tophu> I prefer chromium over FF but then again I use chrome in windows over FF too
[19:09] <JoshuaL> yoasif, ok will do if the driver fixes the issue. is it the same as doing a bug report?
[19:11] <yofel> JoshuaL: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuBackports#How%20to%20request%20new%20packages
[19:11] <JoshuaL> yofel* thanks :)
[19:24] <CaNoc> i've tried this link https://help.ubuntu.com/community/FirefoxAMD64FlashJava, but it not works. I want to install flash 10.1 64 bit
[19:26] <yofel> CaNoc: download it from http://labs.adobe.com/downloads/flashplayer10_64bit.html extract it and put the .so in ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[19:27] <CaNoc> yofel: how about flash 10.1 beta 64bit?
[19:28] <yofel> is that out? I can't find it on the adobe page
[19:30] <avis> what is the status of the ubuntu-audio-dev ppa ?
[19:30] <avis> with current kernel
[19:31] <scnags> how would i install all of lucid _except_ the kernel and x11?
[19:31] <scnags> cause i have poulsbo
[19:32] <yofel> scnags: bad idea, you would have to pin libdrm udev and a few dozen other things too
[19:33] <scnags> what are the things, i will make a backup
[19:34] <scnags> i really should just get a non-poulsbo netbook
[19:34] <scnags> and do you think it will eventually work?
[19:34] <maco> heya who has an ipod touch and has used it in lucid?
[19:34] <scnags> ummmm
[19:34] <scnags> maco, http://www.emdebian.org/
[19:35] <yofel> it will work as soon as intel releases a linux driver that works with the current x11 and kernel release
[19:35] <scnags> which they have no ability to do
[19:35] <scnags> bleh
[19:35] <maco> scnags: eh?
[19:35] <scnags> maco, ooooo
[19:36] <scnags> s/used in/used on it
[19:37] <nishanth_> any one know what this does  echo FRAMEBUFFER=y | sudo tee  /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash
[19:37] <scnags> nishanth_, instead you should add a vga= line to your grub
[19:37] <scnags> http://pierre.baudu.in/other/grub.vga.modes.html
[19:38] <yofel> vga= is deprecated
[19:38] <yofel> use GRUB_GFXPAYLOAD_LINUX in /etc/default/grub instead
[19:38] <scnags> then how are you suppose to set the mode there?
[19:38] <yofel> !grub2
[19:38] <scnags> ahh
[19:38] <Desagas> Hi there, I was wondering how to upgrade from Lucid Lynx Beta 2 to the Pre-Release version?
[19:39] <yofel> !final | Desagas
[19:39] <yofel> Desagas: if 'lsb_release -d' doesn't mention a development branch you're fine
[19:41] <nishanth_> anyone know how to rebuild initrd?
[19:41] <Desagas> ubottu, yofel, I believe thats answered my question of why I couldn't figure it out myself! Thank you, I was unaware that keeping it updated through apt-get update would keep it up to date, thank you
[19:41] <yofel> nishanth_: 'sudo update-initramfs -u'
[19:41] <nishanth_> thanx
[19:47] <guntbert> whats the proposed way to disable/enable the starting of installed services (CLI only) ?
[19:47] <reagleBRKLN> I'm playing with Kubuntu RC, and a lot of my Python scripts can't find install python packages which are install at: /usr/lib/python2.6
[19:48] <reagleBRKLN> in a python shell, it's included in sys.path; but now I have no PYTHONPATH as an environmental variable?
[19:48] <yofel> guntbert: sysvinit services: update-rc.d - for upstart services you need to edit the 'start on' statement in /etc/init/<service>.conf
[19:50] <guntbert> yofel: very clear - thank you -- how do I easily distinguish between sysvinit services and upstart services?
[19:51] <yofel> guntbert: sysvinit scripts have their control scripts in /etc/init.d/ - upstart uses /etc/init/
[19:51] <joaopinto> yoasif, it's probably better to rename to .conf.disables, less intrusive
[19:51] <guntbert> yofel: understood - thx again :)
[19:51] <joaopinto> ops, disable
[19:52] <yofel> hm, true
[19:58] <kuttans> hello everybody, it was really a great experience to fiddle with initrd image for last one week
[19:58] <kuttans> especially when im toally nil knowledged about shell script and all, but at last aas they say where there is a will there is a way, and i found it
[19:58] <kuttans> now im back to you people for some help
[19:59] <kuttans> in my initrd image i dont have the umount command in bin . how can i add it when i update-initramfs
[20:07] <bullgard4> What process is flush-1:0 in http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1442114&page=2?
[20:23] <mininessie> pucca
[20:31] <avis> is crimsun around or anyone that knows anything about ubuntu-audio-dev ?
[20:32] <droid>  /nick gartral
[20:33] <droid> wtf
[20:33] <gartral|p> ok
[20:33] <cornmander> hi guys, my system seems to freeze when I try to go to the console via ctrl+alt+f1 or when I turn off X11 with /etc/init.d/gdm stop
[20:34] <cornmander> I also can't shutdown properly, I get a hang when the X11 server shuts down -- I think the two issues are related
[20:34] <yofel> avis: well, what's your question again?
[20:34] <avis> i had instructions yofel thank you i'm alright now :)
[20:35] <yofel> ok
[20:35] <avis> thank you
[20:39] <User_007> Lucid Lynx don't use HAL, is it right?
[20:41] <Pici> Yes Dave
[20:42] <User_007> is there a way to teach my gnome how to mount a NTFS partition by asking root password if it doesn't know?
[20:42] <User_007> or is there some package that do it?
[20:42] <maco> Pici: ^_^ i just flipped to this channel cuz i saw you say "Yes Dave" and i was hoping itd be a 2001 reference AND IT WAS
[20:42] <Pici> maco: :)
[20:43] <ripps> Does anybody else have problems changing there mouse cursor?
[20:44] <ripps> Most of the cusror icons don't change according to how I set them in gnome-appearance-properties.
[20:57] <kroson> hi people do you already recommend installing the RC of lucid, or instead the karmic stable release?
[20:57] <kroson> thanks
[21:03] <araujo> kroson, I installed some weeks ago first karmic , then decided to try lucid instead, i think right now lucid is a better choice
[21:03] <araujo> well, it was for me
[21:05] <UnNaturalHigh> anyone here having problems with brightness keys?
[21:07] <apache_21> Hi! Does remastersys works with Ubuntu 10 ?
[21:08] <apache_21> or does anybody knows a software like remastersys for Ubuntu 10 ?
[21:09] <Naru> Can i run Ubuntu 10.04 inside a VM and use compiz?
[21:09] <ZykoticK9> Naru, I have VBox-OSE (with Guest Additions) using Compiz *fairly* well, certainly not fantastic.
[21:10] <Naru> Hm.
[21:10] <Naru> I cant activate the effects...
[21:10] <ZykoticK9> Naru, are you using OSE or PUEL version of VBox?
[21:10] <Naru> OSE.... it think.
[21:11] <ZykoticK9> Naru, what is your Host OS?
[21:11] <Naru> Windows 7
[21:11] <ZykoticK9> Naru, ummm, sorry I can't help further - best of luck.
[21:11] <Naru> Mmhm.
[21:12] <ZykoticK9> Naru, i'm using Lucid as both host & guest in my case.
[21:12] <ZykoticK9> Naru, you might want to try asking in #vbox channel
[21:12] <lapion> hello,
[21:12] <Naru> k, thanks
[21:13] <lapion> anyone got the problem that when exiting the recovery menu the system doesn't resume normal boot ?
[21:16] <duffydack> Naru, I just joined, mind explaining the prob again
[21:17] <Naru> ehr, sorry, my english is so bad, i didnt unterstend the sense of yout sentence :|
[21:22] <ZykoticK9> duffydack, Naru is using VBox on Win7 host and can't get Compiz working inside VM
[21:23] <duffydack> he has to install the guest additions with 3d enabled in safe mode
[21:24] <duffydack> even then, Im not 100% sure but I think it stops at vista...
[21:24] <duffydack> oh sorry, Im reading it wrong.
[21:24] <duffydack> DUH
[21:25] <duffydack> hah
[21:25] <duffydack> too much multitasking,...and while listening to a song called "has your mind gone away2.
[21:25] <duffydack> awa"
[21:26] <ZykoticK9> duffydack, with OSE vbox and Lucid host & guest - I have compiz running *fairly* well inside a VM, but with a Windows host i have NO idea - thus my suggestion to him to ask in #vbox
[21:27] <kroson> araujo: what improvements did you notice on lucid vs karmic?
[21:27] <kroson> tks
[21:28] <Crashbit> ups, no backport exist for nouveau kernel modules 2.6.32-21
[21:28] <kroson> ill probably install lucid, what i want to know is if i should wait for the final version, which arrives next thursday, or just go with the RC and Software Update till then
[21:28] <kroson> will there be many updates till the final release?
[21:28] <kroson> thks
[21:29] <ratcheer> kroson: It will be fine to install now and do updates. You won't need to reinstall, then.
[21:30] <ratcheer> Just keep updating and you will be up-to-date.
[21:30] <ZykoticK9> !final
[21:30] <kroson> ratcheer: what is your experience at the moment, with lucid?
[21:30] <ratcheer> kroson: I've been testing since Alpha 1. About two months.
[21:30] <kroson> what is the best method? use software updater GUI or the command line sudo apt-get update?
[21:31] <kroson> *upgrade
[21:31] <ratcheer> I prefer the command line, but either way is fine.
[21:31] <kroson> hmm whats the difference between upgrade and dist-upgrade?
[21:31] <kroson> just kernel packages?
[21:32] <zekoZeko> kroson: upgrade does not install new packages (new recommends, new library versions,...)
[21:32] <ratcheer> kroson: I'm not exactly sure, but dist-upgrade does more. I have been using safe-upgrade.
[21:32] <lapion> there is full-upgrade and safe-upgrade only
[21:33] <zekoZeko> kroson: so if a package to be upgraded has a new dependency, it's not upgraded with the regular upgrade.
[21:33] <kroson> ok thanks to all you 3
[21:33] <lapion> full-upgrade upgrades thing that need to reboot as well.
[21:33] <kroson> zekoZeko: does that happen at this stage of the development?
[21:33] <kroson> i mean, release candidate
[21:33] <zekoZeko> kroson: yes.
[21:33] <kroson> so i should keep using dist-upgrade?
[21:33] <zekoZeko> kroson: also new kernel versions and stuff fall into that category.
[21:34] <kroson> i know that after a release, they dont release new kernel version or library versions that you said
[21:34] <kroson> i think
[21:34] <zekoZeko> kroson: i was talking about apt-get which i use, lapion was talking about aptitude, which also has safe-upgrade and all that.
[21:34] <kroson> oh yea apt-get and aptitude
[21:34] <kroson> arent they after all the same?
[21:35] <zekoZeko> kroson: they do... but it's like 2.6.xx-yy to 2.6.xx-zz
[21:35] <zekoZeko> new package name, regular upgrade does not upgrade it :)
[21:35] <kroson> hmm i see
[21:35] <kroson> so i should keep updating using the command line, just to be sure i have the latest packages, dependencies and kernel
[21:36] <zekoZeko> update-manager does that for you..
[21:36] <z0rt|work> command line looks cooler
[21:37] <zekoZeko> although it does not work for me right now, probably because i'm using prerelease, no idea about that. after the release it should be OK i guess.
[21:38] <kroson> i read in the forums that after rc there are a bunch of updates
[21:38] <kroson> have you noticed that?
[21:39] <snayth> Anyone here successful at setting up a webcam in the new Lucid?
[21:41] <snayth> Any idea's on setting up a live feed webcam in Lucid ? ?
[21:41] <Ken8521_> snayth, well, you'd need a webcam that ubuntu supports
[21:41] <chris4585> snayth, use vlc?
[21:41] <Ken8521_> will vlc do webcam?..
[21:41] <chris4585> snayth, use the playstation eye toy :D its supported out of the box and for $40 its awesome
[21:42] <Ken8521_> come to think of it, it might, because it will do tv tuners
[21:42] <chris4585> Ken8521_, yep use the v4l2 driver and it should be /dev/video0
[21:42] <chris4585> Ken8521_, yep, most apps that look for webcams can also use tv tuner sources
[21:42] <Ken8521_> chris4585, interesting.. hadn't really thought about it, but it doesn't surprise me, i've had good luck w/ vlc and tuner cards
[21:42] <snayth> chris4585, What if the other people you're trying to talk to are using Windows with MSN ? Any problems you could see might hold this back?
[21:43] <zekoZeko> snayth: if
[21:43] <zekoZeko> sorry, tabardated myself :)
[21:43] <chris4585> snayth, if you set it up right you can have them connect to a website or your computer's ip with windows media player
[21:44] <nick2344> hello. i just installed xubuntu 10.04 rc in a vm-ware session, everything seems to work, but my keyboard is not working in xubunu
[21:44] <jonne> I just upgraded to Lucid, i found that xorg and compiz use up almost all my cpu when desktop-effects are enabled, using the cosed nvidia drivers. It was fine in Karmic. Anyone seen this bug anywhere?
[21:44] <nick2344> does anyone know how to solve this
[21:44] <snayth> chris4585; That sounds promising - Tried all this in Karmic - but didn't work out - but willing to try again in Lucid.
[21:44] <jonne> nick2344, does it work while you're still in grub?
[21:45] <chris4585> snayth, I'm using skype with my playstation eye toy and the quality is superb
[21:45] <chris4585> snayth, if thats what you mean, I've tried msn and webcam sharing and it doesn't work too well with me, skype just worked though
[21:46] <nick2344> jonne, it starts with the login screen and if i use the onboard keyboard then i am able to login
[21:46] <snayth> chris4585,; The skpe thing might be the ticket - I just need the other folks to use skpe on their windows box and this might just be the ticket.
[21:46] <jonne> so grub still works?
[21:46] <jonne> i mean keyboard works in grub?
[21:47] <meoblast001> hi
[21:47] <jonne> maybe try booting into text mode then, and run apt-get update to see if it fixes anything
[21:47] <sobersabre> hi.
[21:47] <Ken8521> snayth, skype isn't quite as good under Linux, as it is under Windows(IMO), but its plenty good enough
[21:47] <meoblast001> is there no way at all to configure my Xorg driver?
[21:47] <sobersabre> why is sun's java not installable in lucid ?
[21:47] <Ken8521> sobersabre, 32 or 64bit?
[21:48] <quentusrex> If I upgrade from karmic to lucid during the rc phase, I think I need to upgrade to dev release.
[21:48] <snayth> chris4585; Thanks - Playstation eyetoy at Amazon or ? pretty much anywhere I suppose - Some of the Logitech cam's are supposed to be good as well But only certain ones.
[21:48] <quentusrex> is there a way to 'freeze' the upgrade after that
[21:48] <sobersabre> Ken8521: 64
[21:49] <quentusrex> so that I don't upgrade to the next dev release accidenatlly
[21:49] <chris4585> snayth, in karmic I got out of the box support so I'm guessing in lucid it would work too
[21:49] <sobersabre> Ken8521: I am looking at the page on how to install the sun's package with installing manually the alternatives, etc.
[21:49] <sobersabre> but it seems bizarre after several years of supported package for sun's java.
[21:50] <gnomefreak> sudo apt-get install doesnt work?
[21:50] <snayth> Ken8521; Thanks - yea I tried skype in Karmic but was kinda of futal - hoping Lucid having more features will do it this time.
[21:50] <sobersabre> what happened (except oracle acquisition ...) ?
[21:50] <sobersabre> some licensing stuff changed ?
[21:50] <snayth> Thanks To All - appreciate it!
[21:50] <Ken8521> snayth, not really much change on skype in lucid.
[21:51] <ratcheer> sobersabre: It is just in a different repository. Now in the Partner repository.
[21:51] <nick2344> jonne ok i will try that..
[21:51] <chris4585> snayth, also I heavily suggest the eye toy because 1) its good quality for price 2) it also has a really good microphone 3) I know its supported well
[21:51] <gnomefreak> the free version is in our official repors
[21:51] <gnomefreak> repos
[21:51] <sobersabre> oh.
[21:51] <sobersabre> ok.
[21:51] <sobersabre> I'm enabling it.
[21:51] <ratcheer> sobersabre: But, a manual install works, fine. That is what I do.
[21:52] <sobersabre> ratcheer: I prefer (for easier upgrades) to do it repository way...
[21:52] <snayth> Ken8521; That's ok I got skype to work acceptable - it was my hardware I had problems with. What webcam you using, if you don't mind me asking?
[21:52] <sobersabre> ratcheer: thanks for the update.
[21:53] <ratcheer> sobersabre: Ok, then you just need to find and add the proper repository.
[21:53] <snayth> chris4585; Cool sounds like the way to go - I need less problems in my life as well .....
[21:53] <Ken8521> snayth, i don't have a webcam...  just use the mic jack for voice chat
[21:54] <snayth> Ken8521; Yup - ok
[21:54] <meoblast001> was the xorg config file removed entirely?
[21:54] <meoblast001> i'm googling and can't find anything for "ubuntu 10.04 xorg config"
[21:55] <yofel> meoblast001: there is no xorg.conf there by default, create one if you need it
[21:55] <meoblast001> ah, ok, is there a way to instance a default one?
[21:55] <Ken8521> ^what he said.. :)
[21:55] <ratcheer> meoblast001: Fresh install with open source display driver does not create xorg.conf
[21:55] <maco> there hasnt been an xorg.conf since 2008 or so
[21:56] <meoblast001> ah
[21:56] <meoblast001> is there a way to create a default one?
[21:56] <ratcheer> If you install a proprietary video driver, it is created.
[21:56] <snayth> Ken8521; Found a site that has a ton of suggestions for best webcams to use in OS-X - but might just try what chris4585 suggested - sounds like it's working for him - $40 bucks isn't bad price
[21:56] <sobersabre> Ken8521: why have you asked me whether I have 32 or 64 bits ?
[21:56] <yofel> meoblast001: 'Xorg -configure' will create one, I don't know how/when you  need to  run it though
[21:56] <Ken8521> snayth, yeah, $40 ain't bad, and he seems confident it will work quite well for you... give it a shot.
[21:56] <Ken8521> sobersabre, didn't you say you couldn't get java installed?
[21:57] <yofel> java is there for both 32 and 64 bit
[21:57] <sobersabre> Ken8521: I did, but you asked me how many bits, and I answered, and then what was your plan ?
[21:57] <Ken8521> sobersabre, didnn't see your answer
[21:57] <snayth> Later on - Thanks to all again - kudo's
[21:57] <jonne> hmm, new xorg files in repo's. maybe that'll fix things
[21:57] <yofel> sobersabre: do you have the partner repos enabled?
[21:57] <sobersabre> I said 64 bits.
[21:57] <sobersabre> yofel: I just want to understand Ken8521 now.
[21:57] <sobersabre> :)
[21:57] <Ken8521> sobersabre, i saw someone complaining earlier that 64bit Java wasn't in the repos...
[21:57] <yofel> ok :)
[21:58] <Ken8521> i use 32bit, and its in the repos and works fine
[21:58] <chris4585> snayth, also the specs of the it are amazing compared to 'regular' pc webcams, just look up a review
[21:58] <sobersabre> Ken8521: it is in the repos, but it is in partner section.
[21:58] <Ken8521> ok.. so enable the repo and install it?
[21:58] <meoblast001> yofel, it's trying to instance a new xserver
[21:59] <sobersabre> Ken8521: I guess your 32-bit java cannot use more than 3.6 GB of memory (if I understand it correctly)
[21:59] <sobersabre> Ken8521: and yes, just enable the partner repos, and apt-get update, of course...
[21:59] <Ken8521> sobersabre, honestly,i have no idea, i only have it because frostwire requires java
[21:59] <snayth> chris4585; Do you use VLC and other's you're talking to as well ?
[21:59] <sobersabre> good for you (I don't even know who is frostwire)
[21:59] <Ken8521> if frostwire dind't require java, i wouldn't even install it
[22:00] <sobersabre> guys, I wonder if there is some advantage of using grub2... Is there ?
[22:00] <chris4585> snayth, vlc should work, any program using v4l2 (video4linux) driver(?) should pick it up probably
[22:00] <maco> sobersabre: it can work with lvm where previously you had to use lilo because grub couldnt
[22:00] <chris4585> snayth, its the same driver that picks up tvtuner cards or something like that....
[22:01] <sobersabre> maco: ok, thank you, this desktop doesn't need lvm...
[22:01] <snayth> Ken8521; frostwire is working great on this my (just works)  Karmic box - but was not a big fan of having to rely on the restricted java as well - sigh.
[22:01] <maco> i forget the other things that grub2 does that were supposed to be improvements
[22:01] <sobersabre> I had no idea LVM is not supported by grub
[22:02] <maco> sobersabre: frostwire is P2P software like KaZaA or Gnutella
[22:02] <zekoZeko> sobersabre: that's why you need a separate /boot partition. Which bootloader does support booting from LVM directly?
[22:02] <Ken8521> snayth, it doesn't really bother me one way or the other
[22:02] <sobersabre> the last time I had to use LVM was on EFI ia64 machine, so I had to use elilo anyways.
[22:02] <maco> zekoZeko: grub2
[22:02] <maco> zekoZeko: and lilo
[22:02] <sobersabre> dpes grub2 support EFI ?
[22:03] <maco> im not sure. google might know...
[22:03] <sobersabre> maco: I won't bother, since I won't install it now.
[22:03] <snayth> Ken8521; Are you using Lucid yet - I could not get frostwire to work in Lucid yet. ?
[22:03] <maco> snayth: i think my brother got it working in lucid with sun java6 from the partner repo
[22:03] <sobersabre> zekoZeko: now I'm starting to understand "yet another advantage" of having a separate /boot partition
[22:04] <sobersabre> I used to think I have a smaller chance of having a corrupted /boot than a corrupted /
[22:04] <melkor> OKay this is really lame
[22:04] <melkor> How do I stop network manager.
[22:04] <sobersabre> service NetworkManager stop
[22:05] <sobersabre> (if on lucid)
[22:05] <Ken8521> snayth, yes, i'm using lucid.. frostwire works fine
[22:05] <melkor> I updated my graphics so I can get into the gnome desktop
[22:05] <snayth> maco; I ripped out the 1st less restrictive java and then used the one you mentioned - but still a no go.
[22:05] <melkor> sobersabre: that didn't work
[22:05] <maco> sobersabre: network-manager, not NetworkManager
[22:05] <maco> melkor: ^
[22:05] <melkor> maco thanks
[22:05] <sobersabre> melkor: replace NetworkManager with network-manager :)
[22:05] <maco> (sudo)
[22:05] <snayth> Ken8521; hmmm Which java are you using?
[22:06] <melkor> So I couldn't get onto the net because wpa_supplicant kept getting restarted.
[22:06] <sobersabre> melkor: and run the command as root (either via sudo or other wise)
[22:06] <melkor> Finally I had to rename wpa_supplicant so network manager couldnt restart it.
[22:06] <sobersabre> melkor: usually when you ask for help, the best way is to describe a problem.
[22:07] <sobersabre> and not to ask for parts of solution ;-)
[22:07] <melkor> My problem is that I can't stop network manager
[22:07] <sobersabre> melkor: did you run service network-manager stop as root ?
[22:07] <Ken8521> snayth, the one in the repos, sun-java6
[22:07] <melkor> My problem is that network manager keeps restarting wpa_supplicant which prevents me from running wpa_supplicant
[22:07] <melkor> sobersabre: no but I will and I beleive that will work.
[22:07] <maco> Ken8521: jre right?
[22:08] <sobersabre> melkor: you _believe_ ? :)
[22:08] <Ken8521> maco, whatever is in the repos.
[22:08] <sobersabre> computers don't care if you believe or not....  they either do or don't ;-)
[22:08] <melkor> sobersabre: well Ill do it in a second, I was just explaining my frustration.
[22:08] <Ken8521> maco, like i said, i pay no attention to it, i just know whne i install it, Frostwire works
[22:08] <sobersabre> melkor: computers don't care about frustration either...
[22:09] <melkor> sobersabre: but people creating software do.
[22:09] <snayth> Ken8521; Will have to check on that - thanks
[22:19] <doc`> where does a mounted .iso show up ?
[22:19] <doc`> cant find it in terminal
[22:20] <lucitu> doc`: df will show
[22:20] <guntbert> doc`: type mount
[22:21] <lucitu> df
[22:21] <lucitu> is better imo
[22:22] <z3r0-c001> important- i need to know how to install flashplayer on 10.04 please
[22:23] <yofel> z3r0-c001: install flashplugin-installer
[22:23] <doc`> lucitu, hmm doesnt show up there
[22:23] <z3r0-c001> i did before antd it didnt let me play my utubes
[22:24] <doc`> just see my hd:s
[22:24] <doc`> not the iso file mounted
[22:24] <yofel> z3r0-c001: does the plugin show up in about:plugins?
[22:24] <lucitu> doc`: means it's not mounted
[22:24] <z3r0-c001> do i need to reboot or something
[22:24] <doc`> how do i mount it then?
[22:25] <doc`> if i open it with archive mounter, that doesnt mount it?
[22:25] <z3r0-c001> what do you mean about plug ins?
[22:26] <yofel> z3r0-c001: open the site 'about:plugins' in your browser
[22:26] <Dimmuxx> z3r0-c001: you need to restart firefox
[22:26] <sobersabre> guys, the default libneon in karma was the one libneon-gnutls.
[22:26] <z3r0-c001> ill try
[22:26] <sobersabre> can I make the libneon (non-gnu-tls) the default neon library in the system via update-alternatives ?
[22:27] <sobersabre> my base problem is that my svn server uses user certificates to authenticate them.
[22:27] <sobersabre> (users)
[22:27] <sobersabre> and svn only works if ssl is used.
[22:28] <NucWin> hey anyone able to help me get ppp over bluetooth working on 10.04? seems there isnt support for dialup by default?
[22:28] <sobersabre> for some known bug gnutls doesn't understand the ssl certs.
[22:28] <sobersabre> (I actually am not sure if it should)
[22:28] <lucitu> doc`: mount -o loop my.iso mountpoint
[22:29] <sobersabre> so, what I did was either compile my own subversion clients (linked against libneon) OR make a symlink from libneon-gnutls to libneon
[22:29] <sobersabre> so question is whether this issue has been related to in lucid...
[22:30] <lucitu> doc`: then df will show something like this
[22:30] <lucitu> doc`: /dev/loop0             14M   14M     0 100% /mnt/tmp
[22:30] <switchgirl> what command to use to get rhythmbox to play a radio station? i ask so i can wake up to an alarm (the one that is attatched to gnome pannel
[22:31] <doc`> what can i use as mountpoint?
[22:31] <sobersabre> switchgirl: you may create a playlist, and to tell rhythmbox to play the playlist.
[22:31] <lucitu> doc`: make something up
[22:31] <sobersabre> switchgirl: do you understand the idea ?
[22:31] <switchgirl> sober no i want to wake up to the morning radio
[22:32] <z3r0-c001> what should it show up as cause i dont se it
[22:32] <gellmar> yofel: have you looked through my pastebin?
[22:32] <sobersabre> switchgirl: is it available over the internet ?
[22:32] <doc`> hmm, like what? i dont really understand
[22:32] <z3r0-c001> yofel: what should it show up as
[22:32] <doc`> im not sure where i can mount it
[22:32] <doc`> and the ones i tried sais that mount point doesnt exist
[22:32] <yofel> z3r0-c001: it should  say 'libflashplugin.so' somewhere on the page
[22:33] <switchgirl> yes
[22:33] <yofel> gellmar: the swap one?
[22:33] <gellmar> doc`: mkdir /tmp/cdrom && sudo mount -o loop my.iso /tmp/cdrom
[22:33] <switchgirl> sobersabre, yeah and i added it to the radiostation section
[22:33] <gellmar> yofel:yes
[22:34] <doc`> ah ty
[22:34] <yofel> gellmar: I'm clueless really, never had anything like that, sry.
[22:34] <z3r0-c001> thanks works perfect
[22:34] <z3r0-c001> i installed withnout firefox running at all
[22:35] <sobersabre> switchgirl: you're using some kind of alarm application, and you want it when the time comes to run rhythmbox. right ?
[22:35] <switchgirl> yeas
[22:36] <gellmar> switchgirl: use cron job for starting a rhythmbox
[22:36] <sobersabre> switchgirl: try this command: rhythmbox-client --help
[22:36] <sobersabre> :) it actually has --play-uri= argument
[22:36] <sobersabre> you will simply need a uri, and that's it.
[22:36] <CortezTheKiller> i have a quick question about lucid... can i use the 2.6.31.12    kernel with it?
[22:36] <doc`> where is it customary to install programs?
[22:37] <doc`> is there any convention?
[22:37] <sobersabre> doc`: depends on which treaty you sign...
[22:37] <pakete> can anyone help to make plymouth work??? When i used live usb stick it booted fine ...when i installed over hd, the boot splash screen dissapeared...any ideas how to solve it??
[22:37] <z0rt|work> hahaha
[22:37] <sobersabre> and your installation needs.
[22:37] <gellmar> switchgirl: and to make a cron job run crontab -e <yourusername> and edit the file in nano
[22:37] <switchgirl> what's a URI?
[22:37] <sobersabre> switchgirl: http://IP:port/path
[22:37] <yofel> CortezTheKiller: possible, but it propably won't work right, why do you want to do so?
[22:38] <doc`> just new at linux, trying to learn
[22:38] <sobersabre> doc`: depends on your installation.
[22:38] <sobersabre> and your partitioning.
[22:38] <doc`> i see
[22:38] <CortezTheKiller> i have to patch my kernel due to my toshiba hating linux and im waiting for kernel.org to integrate a patch into the next kernel
[22:38] <doc`> right now im running a dualboot with w7
[22:38] <gellmar> doc`: sudo blkid -o list
[22:38] <guntbert> !software | doc`
[22:38] <sobersabre> if the application is supposed to be run only on your desktop, and there's enough space, you can use either /opt/application
[22:38] <sobersabre> or /usr/local/application-version
[22:39] <pakete> anyone has idea how to restore boot screen???? thanks i advance
[22:39] <sobersabre> sometimes several versions of the same program are installed.
[22:39] <nerdy_kid> hello all, trying to unload the intel i915 kernel modual and it wont unload.
[22:39] <yofel> nerdy_kid: you did stop gdm first?
[22:39] <gellmar> nerdy_kid: lsmod
[22:40] <nerdy_kid> yofel  using commandline install
[22:40] <yofel> nerdy_kid: you mean server?
[22:40] <gellmar> and check the modules using the one you trying to unload
[22:40] <nerdy_kid> yofel no, just base system
[22:40] <pakete> does someone know how to make boot splash work?
[22:40] <nerdy_kid> yofel the alternate instalation image
[22:40] <erkan^> do someone know "babiloo" ? :S or what is the best program from dictoray?
[22:41] <yofel> hm, I thought only server was X-less, alternate should still install X
[22:41] <erkan^> sorry dictionary
[22:41] <gellmar> pakete: in grub, do you have splash word at the end of kernel line?
[22:41] <nerdy_kid> gellmar ok, i915 isnt listed by lsmod anymore, but my terminal is still flashing (i.e. driver still loaded), and lspci -k shows the modual in use
[22:41] <pakete> how do i check it??? not sure, gellmar
[22:42] <yofel> nerdy_kid: blacklist it and reboot?
[22:42] <pakete> gellmar, when booted live from usb - all works though...after installation - no boot splash whatsoever
[22:42] <doc`> tnx i realize im getting tired got to sleep, but ill be back
[22:42] <gellmar> pakete: in grub select your ubuntu boot menu item and press edit
[22:42] <switchgirl> Sorted :))
[22:43] <nerdy_kid> yofel did, still gets loaded.  added the line "backlist i915" to /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf
[22:43] <yofel> m
[22:43] <nerdy_kid> yofel meant blacklist not backlist
[22:43] <pakete> gellmar, thing is i have no option for Grub...it boots right away
[22:43] <switchgirl> sobersabre, rhythmbox-client --play-uri=http://gaydarradio.com/listenlive/high.m3u works fine :)
[22:43] <pakete> with no grub prompts
[22:43] <yofel> hm, then I don't know,sry. That should prevent it from loading...
[22:43] <pakete> plymouth or whatever )))
[22:44] <pakete> also plymouthd crashes
[22:44] <sobersabre> switchgirl: great
[22:44] <gellmar> pakete: do you have /boot/grub/menu.lst?
[22:44] <switchgirl> thank you sobersabre
[22:44] <pakete> let me see...
[22:44] <sobersabre> switchgirl: what music do they play at that station ?
[22:45] <gellmar> yofel: what's default name for linux kernel list file in grub2?
[22:45] <sobersabre> worth listening or is it just programmes ?
[22:45] <switchgirl> oh loads of stuff mainly Pop and Dance
[22:45] <pakete> no i don't have menu.lst
[22:45] <nerdy_kid> yofel also tried appending "video=vesafb" to my kernel params, still didnt help
[22:45] <z3r0-c001> does anyone know if its posible to make the volume buttons work
[22:45] <switchgirl> the morning show with Debs and neil is awsome
[22:45] <ian``> just ran an upgrade, it froze my machine before completing; now when I reboot the login screen does not respond to any keyboard or mouse input
[22:46] <yofel> gellmar: the config file is /boot/grub/grub.cfg [do not edit!], the settings are in /etc/default/grub
[22:46] <sobersabre> switchgirl: the station's morning is not necessarily my morning ...
[22:46] <gellmar> pakete: check yofel's file
[22:46] <z3r0-c001> yofel:  know if its posible to make the volume buttons work
[22:47] <avis> is crimsun around ?
[22:47] <pakete> gellmar, how should it be checked???
[22:47] <yofel> they work fine here, i really don't know much about audio
[22:48] <ian``> my gdm login screen is completely frozen after an update - any ideas how i can log in? anyone else experiencing this?
[22:48] <gellmar> pakete: cat /boot/grub/grub.cfg | grep splash
[22:49] <pakete> linux	/boot/vmlinuz-2.6.32-19-generic root=UUID=37c8d95f-2e88-4a85-a7a2-aa4fa8d87e58 ro   quiet splash
[22:49] <gellmar> pakete: so you have the plymouth turned on
[22:49] <pakete> ok...but it has no boot splash
[22:50] <avis> what is plymouth ?
[22:50] <pakete> black...
[22:50] <pakete> sometimes some text like " broken pipe"
[22:50] <yofel> avis: lucid boot splash screen
[22:50] <gellmar> pakete: cat /var/log/messages | grep plymouth
[22:50] <avis> ok thank you
[22:50] <yofel> well, I'm off to bed, good night
[22:51] <gellmar> yofel: night
[22:51] <avis> good night yofel
[22:51] <pakete> `nothing, gellmar...
[22:51] <sobersabre> good night guys/girls :)
[22:51] <avis> hi FiremanEd
[22:51] <gellmar> pakete: dmesg | grep plymouth
[22:52] <pakete> nohting either
[22:52] <gellmar> pakete: sudo dpkg -l | grep plymouth
[22:52] <nerdy_kid> i can not get rid of the i915 kernel modual, please help?
[22:53] <pakete> ii  libplymouth2                           0.8.1-4ubuntu1                                  graphical boot animation and logger - shared
[22:53] <pakete> ii  plymouth                               0.8.1-4ubuntu1                                  graphical boot animation and logger - main p
[22:53] <Bookman> Any ideas why my ATI Xpress 200M on my laptop works just fine with 3D, but on my desktop the ATI Xpress 200 does not work?
[22:53] <pakete> ii  plymouth-label                         0.8.1-4ubuntu1                                  graphical boot animation and logger - label
[22:53] <pakete> ii  plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo             0.8.1-4ubuntu1                                  graphical boot animation and logger - ubuntu
[22:53] <pakete> ii  plymouth-theme-ubuntu-text             0.8.1-4ubuntu1                                  graphical boot animation and logger - ubuntu
[22:53] <gellmar> nerdy_kid check /etc/modules
[22:53] <pakete> ii  plymouth-x11                           0.8.1-4ubuntu1                                  graphical boot animation and logger - X11 in
[22:54] <nerdy_kid> gellmar not there
[22:54] <hardran3> lucid has no /etc/acpi/resume.d, how can I  get a script to run on resume from suspend?
[22:54] <gellmar> pakete do sudo dpkg-reconfigure plymouth*
[22:55] <NucWin> omg trying to get dialup over bluetooth working is not easy in this new version :(
[22:55] <gellmar> nerdy_kid rename the ko file for that module and reboot
[22:55] <NucWin> just cant seeem to workout where the stuff is i want
[22:55] <NucWin> could configure manually but was hoping there would be some gui support
[22:55] <pakete> ok will try reboot....will be back shortly...
[22:55] <nerdy_kid> gellmar ooh like that idea, where would i find that file?
[22:57] <gellmar> find /usr -name "*915*.ko" -print
[22:57] <gellmar> nerdy_kid try this out
[22:57] <crdlb> isn't it in /lib?
[22:57] <gellmar> crdlib: ko's are in kernel dir
[22:58] <nerdy_kid> gellmar i think i found it in /lib/moduals
[22:58] <gellmar> however i am not on my pc so i cant give u a precise loc
[22:58] <z0rt|work> is there a way to restart the mouse driver? it suddenly got laggy on me
[22:58] <gellmar> nerdy_kid well
[22:58] <sjr_> I love you all
[22:58] <gellmar> nerdy_kid: rename it and rebooot
[22:59] <litropy> hi, peeps. I'm trying to change my default session manager. when I go to the Login Screen prefpane, it is locked. When I click Unlock, nothing happens. No authpane, no window state change.
[22:59] <gellmar> sjr_: we love u too:)
[23:01] <gellmar> pakete: howzit?
[23:01] <ian``> Hi my gdm login screen no longer responds to any input after the most recent upgrade - can anyone tell me how i can now login?
[23:02] <crdlb> litropy: try running gdmsetup in a terminal and see if any errors are printed when you unlock
[23:02] <gellmar> ian`` use recovery mode
[23:02] <pakete> gellmar, it was blinking black for a while...then there was this ubuntu screen but with no progress bar moving
[23:02] <gellmar> it uses text console
[23:02] <ArkoldThos> heya, i got a lil problem, the nvidia-settings app doesn't detect the both monitors :(
[23:02] <nerdy_kid> gallmar you wouldnt believe this..the stupid thing is still loading somehow
[23:03] <gellmar> nerdy_kid: sure it is in /usr
[23:03] <pakete> so when i restart it is fine, when it boots up it is still...
[23:04] <gellmar> pakete: maybe your pc is too fast for the progress bar?
[23:04] <heroid> is it stable to upgrade from 9.10 to 10.04 RC?
[23:04] <nerdy_kid> gellmar ran find /usr -name "*915*.ko" -print and it returned nothing
[23:04] <ArkoldThos> heroid, what problem did you had?
[23:04] <gellmar> heroid: stable
[23:05] <heroid> no problem yet
[23:05] <heroid> just want to upgrade
[23:05] <ArkoldThos> it should be stable :)
[23:05] <heroid> well i will try it out
[23:05] <gellmar> nerdy_kid: find all kos
[23:05] <heroid> i hope it is
[23:05] <heroid> tomorrow i have a LUG meeting
[23:05] <nerdy_kid> gellmar ok
[23:05] <litropy> crdlb: http://pastebin.com/SpPAR3aG
[23:05] <heroid> where i have to show them the new beta
[23:05] <heroid> and i need it to be upgraded until then
[23:06] <gellmar> heroid: a pre premiere roadshow?
[23:06] <pakete> gellmar, not sure, but when i used live usb it was without black screen...here it still is black and then ubuntu splash for a second...
[23:06] <gellmar> 5 days to go?
[23:07] <gellmar> pakete: usb is much slower than a hdd
[23:07] <heroid> yep
[23:07] <heroid> that is what i will do
[23:07] <gellmar> heroid: run a virtualbox install for that
[23:07] <pakete> it is black, as if it is changing resolutins...by the way i have no special effects available either...
[23:08] <gellmar> if you wanna keep your production karmic intact
[23:08] <pakete> but agree it boot faster from hdd
[23:08] <heroid> don't have resources for virtualbox
[23:08] <pakete> althouth not fast enogh to leave progress bar still
[23:09] <gellmar> pakete: my advice is to wait until the filesystem gets checked for a minute or two once in 30 mounts
[23:09] <pakete> like png image you know =))) wallpaper )))
[23:09] <pakete> what do you mean??? how should i wait?
[23:09] <gellmar> pakete: personally i use ubuntu without splash
[23:10] <gellmar> pakete: reboot several times
[23:10] <nerdy_kid> gellmar still nothing
[23:10] <crdlb> litropy: ok, I get most of that spew too, but there is one like that looks bad: org.gnome.DisplayManager was not provided by any .service files
[23:10] <crdlb> s/like/line/
[23:11] <nerdy_kid> gellmar im searching root
[23:11] <gellmar> nerdy_kid: check dmesg for i915
[23:11] <arand> gellmar: pakete: Although I don't think that's the issue you can easily force the fsck on next start by "sudo touch /forcefsck"
[23:11] <gellmar> arand: thanks for the tip
[23:12] <gellmar> never tried it
[23:12] <speckmade> with the latest kernel update I fetched today my system isn't able to start. is this a known problem? or anything that needs my bugreport?..
[23:13] <gellmar> speckmade: when have you updated your sys today? at what time?
[23:13] <gellmar> coz i updated mine at noon and had no kernel updates
[23:13] <pakete> ok...forced fsck..will now reboot...(several times) =)
[23:13] <crdlb> litropy: that mesage implies that the display manager (gdm) is not running at all
[23:14] <crdlb> litropy: perhaps you're using kdm as your display manager?
[23:14] <speckmade> gellmar: almost exactly 10.5 hours ago
[23:15] <gellmar> speckmade: can you boot in single user mode?
[23:15] <jeff__> Can someone tell me how to delete print jobs that wont delete?
[23:15] <speckmade> didn't check - just started with the last kernel...
[23:15] <techhelper1> restart
[23:16] <gellmar> jeff__ go to http://localhost:631
[23:16] <gellmar> and select jobs in webui
[23:16] <nerdy_kid> gellmar nothing, but i found this line in dmesg, this is the issue: [    8.794773] Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 80x30
[23:16] <jeff__> gellmar, am I using a browser to access?
[23:17] <gellmar> speckmade: boot in single then check previous logs
[23:17] <gellmar> jeff__ yep
[23:17] <gellmar> nerdy_kid ahha
[23:18] <gellmar> nerdy_kid do you have fbcon in /etc/modules?
[23:18] <gellmar> kill it
[23:19] <gellmar> and reboot to take effect
[23:19] <nerdy_kid> gellmar not there but ill blacklist it
[23:19] <gellmar> nerdy_kid you ll get the text console after next boot
[23:19] <speckmade> I got that lucid system in question running NOW - so I should be able to read the logs, shouldn't I?
[23:19] <gellmar> and fbcon uses graphic driver
[23:19] <speckmade> what logs do you mean?
[23:20] <gellmar> speckmade: have you got it booted with new kernel?
[23:20] <nerdy_kid> gellmar _still_ doesnt work i have to go, try to get back to you later thanks :)
[23:20] <speckmade> no
[23:21] <gellmar> nerdy_kid: not at all
[23:21] <gellmar> speckmade: so you are running the older one?
[23:21] <jeff__> gellmar, I just seen that my printer is not even listed anymore. As a matter of fact I can't even add a printer, it's all grayed out
[23:22] <gellmar> speckmade: check /var/log/dmesg.0
[23:22] <jeff__> gellmar, I'm actually connected to a shared computer on another ubuntu machine
[23:22] <gellmar> khm
[23:22] <speckmade> I'm sorry - that is a zero byte file...
[23:23] <gellmar> jeff__: do you have a root pass there?
[23:23] <speckmade> yes - the older one.
[23:23] <ArkoldThos> ubuntu repos got the old flash right?
[23:23] <gellmar> otherwise it is useless
[23:23] <arand> ArkoldThos: Old, you mean 64bit?
[23:23] <gellmar> speckmade: check var/log stuff with zeroes
[23:23] <jeff__> gellmar, at the risk of sounding stupid, what is a root pass?
[23:24] <gellmar> jeff admin's one
[23:25] <jeff__> gellmar, I'm not sure
[23:25] <gellmar> well i am going to sleep a bit
[23:25] <gellmar> good night to all
[23:25] <jeff__> gellmar, goodnight
[23:25] <speckmade> gellamr: what do you mean - you want to know about all my empty files in /var/log or what?
[23:25] <gellmar> jeff ask your admin to kill the tasks
[23:26] <jeff__> gellmar, thanks!
[23:27] <ArkoldThos> arand, yes 64 bits
[23:28] <arand> ArkoldThos: Still the old ndiswrapped 32bit version (policy/security/updating/whatever-reasons...)
[23:28] <ArkoldThos> okok :) i'll update it manually then
[23:38] <underdev> what happend to the sun-java6-jre and jdk?
[23:38] <jpds> underdev: In partner
[23:38] <BUGabundo> humm
[23:38] <BUGabundo> clam now
[23:39]  * BUGabundo unmutes #
[23:41] <arand> underdev: -- "canonical partner repository" you need to activate it.
[23:42] <underdev> thank you, i've been googling, can't seem to figure it out
[23:42] <underdev> i know there is a file that has repositories listed in it
[23:42] <underdev> i'll figure it out- i appreciate the pointers guys
[23:42] <underdev> :)
[23:44] <underdev> found it in synaptic
[23:44] <underdev> thanks again
[23:48] <BUGabundo> !repositories
[23:49] <BUGabundo> underdev: ^^^^^^^ for future reference
[23:52] <nerdy_kid> i can only get wired internet when i boot into recovery and select root shell with networking
[23:53] <nerdy_kid> eth1 only gets detected by ifconfig under those cicumstances
[23:54] <ArkoldThos> what is the right folder to put a browser plugin? (flash)?
[23:55] <jpds> ArkoldThos: ~/.mozilla/plugins/
[23:55] <ArkoldThos> although I do not have Firefox installed?