[00:00] <emgomez> er
[00:00] <emgomez> okay, i guess it found the drivers on its own, or whatever
[00:00] <emgomez> but the test page isn't printing
[00:00] <ddecator> hpijs?
[00:01] <ddecator> oh wait...
[00:01] <emgomez> no, it's still the foo driver
[00:01] <ddecator> hpijs is for my all-in-one, my laserjet is foo =p
[00:01] <emgomez> okay
[00:02] <emgomez> will apt-get remove hpijs work?
[00:02] <ddecator> if you don't want it
[00:03] <emgomez> well
[00:03] <emgomez> i mean
[00:03] <emgomez> i seem to be worse off now
[00:03] <emgomez> and the only thing that's really changed is that i installed hpijs
[00:03] <emgomez> because now nothing is printing
[00:03] <ddecator> that -shouldn't- cause any issues though..
[00:04] <emgomez> arguably, i suppose i'm just back to where i was when this printer came out of the box in february
[00:04] <emgomez> you're right, it shouldn't
[00:04] <emgomez> but
[00:05] <emgomez> apparently this entire problem was either precipitated by the fact that the printer ran out of paper in the middle of a job or because i switched my graphics cards drivers to a proprietary one to get compiz to work
[00:05] <emgomez> both of those things seem equally unlikely to cause this problem
[00:05] <emgomez> but
[00:05] <emgomez> those are the only two things that changed
[00:05] <ddecator> especially the graphics driver, haha
[00:05] <emgomez> yeah, i know
[00:05] <emgomez> but really
[00:05] <emgomez> this always happens to me
[00:05] <ddecator> printers randomly stop working sometimes
[00:06] <ddecator> might not be related at all
[00:06] <ddecator> hm...
[00:06] <emgomez> things mysteriously break and i can never fix it on my own and it pisses me off
[00:06] <emgomez> yeah, i suppose
[00:06] <emgomez> the joys of printers
[00:06] <ddecator> i'm trying to see if there are any bug reports about this..
[00:08] <ddecator> hm, this is a possibility: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/cups/+bug/407244
[00:08] <ddecator> so i guess run 'hp-plugin -i'
[00:10] <emgomez> alrighty
[00:12] <emgomez> Downloading firmware to device hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1006?serial=AC2F78F...
[00:12] <emgomez> error: Device busy: hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1006?serial=AC2F78F
[00:12] <emgomez> error: unable to open channel
[00:12] <emgomez> error: Device busy: hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1006?serial=AC2F78F
[00:12] <emgomez> error: unable to open channel
[00:12] <emgomez> error: Channel write error
[00:12] <emgomez> error: An error occured: Device I/O error
[00:12] <emgomez> Done.
[00:13] <ddecator> is the printer plugged into the usb right now?
[00:15] <emgomez> yes
[00:16] <ddecator> idk if it's supposed to be or not...
[00:17] <ddecator> can you look at the last comment on that bug report? (er, second to last...the one with instructions)
[00:17] <emgomez> yeah, i saw it
[00:18] <ddecator> try the instructions on there and see what happens for you
[00:18] <emgomez> i did something like that last night, selecting the usb option
[00:18] <emgomez> but i'll try it again
[00:20] <emgomez> i'm not really given an option to select the driver
[00:20] <emgomez> but it selects xqx anyway
[00:21] <ddecator> as long as it selects the foo driver
[00:21] <emgomez> yeah, but it's not printing
[00:21] <ddecator> any errors?
[00:21] <emgomez> the error light isn't on
[00:21] <emgomez> nope
[00:22] <ddecator> is there other stuff in the job queue?
[00:22] <emgomez> the print queue says it's "Processing"
[00:22] <emgomez> nope
[00:22] <emgomez> and now the print queue just closed out
[00:22] <ddecator> great...
[00:22] <emgomez> and says there's no outstanding jobs
[00:22] <emgomez> lol, oh this is so ridiculous
[00:22] <ddecator> does the printer show up as connect in Printing?
[00:23] <ddecator> connected*
[00:28] <emgomez> yeah, it did
[00:28] <emgomez> but i installed it and i'm trying this again, which worked a few months ago: http://foo2xqx.rkkda.com/
[00:29] <emgomez> sigh
[00:29] <emgomez> but no longer, apparently
[00:30] <ddecator> now what's happening?
[00:30] <emgomez> now we're back to the same "Unable to write 8192 bytes to the printer!"
[00:30] <emgomez> error
[00:30] <emgomez> in the printer manager or the dialog if i try to print something
[00:31] <emgomez> but last time it would print anyway
[00:31] <emgomez> but it doesn't seem to be this time
[00:31] <ddecator> cancel all jobs, disconnect and reconnect the printer, then try again
[00:33] <emgomez> okay, error light goes back on, i open the close the printer, the error light goes away, the unable to print 8192 error still shows up and no printing is happening
[00:33] <emgomez> *open and close
[00:34] <ddecator> huh...
[00:34] <emgomez> and now a "printer may not be connected" message just came up
[00:34] <emgomez> although it is
[00:36] <ddecator> is your system fully up-to-date?
[00:36] <emgomez> unplugged/replugged, the may not be connected error shows up again, i cancel out the job, the printer status is "busy, will retry in 5 minutes..." even though there's no job
[00:36] <emgomez> yeah
[00:36] <emgomez> emg@che:~/foo2zjs$ sudo apt-get upgrade
[00:36] <emgomez> Reading package lists... Done
[00:36] <emgomez> Building dependency tree
[00:36] <emgomez> Reading state information... Done
[00:36] <emgomez> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[00:36] <emgomez> emg@che:~/foo2zjs$
[00:37] <ddecator> this one report says to run 'sudo rmmod usblp' although i honestly don't know what it will do
[00:39] <emgomez> huh, i just ran hp-check -t again
[00:39] <emgomez> and i got this, which is new: Summary of needed commands to run to satisfy missing dependencies:
[00:39] <emgomez> sudo aptitude install --assume-yes cupsddk cupsddk-drivers
[00:39] <emgomez> sudo aptitude install --assume-yes policykit policykit-gnome
[00:39] <emgomez> so i installed all of that
[00:41] <ddecator> any effect?
[00:41] <emgomez> i'm installing it again
[00:41] <emgomez> rmmod apparently removes modules from the kernel
[00:42] <emgomez> i dont really know what that means but it sounds kind of scary
[00:42] <emgomez> wheee
[00:42] <emgomez> this time i got "unknown error 1018"
[00:42] <emgomez> at least that's new
[00:42] <emgomez> i guess
[00:47] <ddecator> -sigh- i'm at a loss...
[00:48] <ddecator> the only thing i can think of is disconnecting the usb, turning off the printer, deleting the printer in Printing one more time, then turn the printer on, connect the usb, and let it try autosetup again...otherwise idk
[00:48] <emgomez> me too. i just tried running hp-setup from the terminal, and i got a device communication error 5012, which i feel like i got before
[00:50] <emgomez> i'm not sure that autosetup is working anymore, to be honest
[00:51] <ddecator> it should =\
[00:55] <emgomez> nope, only manual config i think
[00:56] <emgomez> i tried forcing  a firmware update before a manual config and it said that no such supported device existed
[00:57] <emgomez> and then i tried after i set it up manually and i got: error: Device busy: hp:/usb/HP_LaserJet_P1006?serial=AC2F78F
[00:57] <emgomez> error:  Unable to communicate with device or device is in an error state.  Please check device setup and try again.
[00:58] <ddecator> does that happen if you turn the printer off and on?
[00:58] <emgomez> while keeping the usb plugged in?
[00:59] <emgomez> hahahaha
[00:59] <emgomez> i just shut it down and a message popped up: test page has completed printing!"
[01:00] <ddecator> we wish, haha
[01:50] <LzrdKing> my VGA monitor keeps shutting off and it won't wake up; sometimes unplugging either the power or the vga cale helps, sometimes not, sometimes it just wakes up on its own.  DPMS is turned off.  how can i make it stay on?  my DVI monitor does not have this problem (the are the same model monitor, switching the inputs helped for about 5 minutes)
[02:03] <ravibn> Hi! There is something I need to fix for me to enable to login from console. When I booted ubuntu from recovery mode and went to logon from console it kept on asking for the username & pwd How can I fix this ?
[02:07] <ravibn> anybody here ?
[02:57] <GotQuestions> Hello
[02:57] <GotQuestions> Alright, so I have a few questions about installing ubuntu
[02:57] <haywire> So you want to install ubuntu on an ole '98 machine?
[02:57] <GotQuestions> Yep!
[02:58] <GotQuestions> The machine refuses to connect to the internet right now, because of a mix of it being over ten years old & virus covered
[02:58] <haywire> I'm a beginner myself, but will try to help, and pls if there is someone else here, plz chime in!
[02:58] <GotQuestions> I'm on a mac right now, but do have access to a windows xp machine if necessary
[02:58] <GotQuestions> Thank you haywire :)
[02:59] <haywire> I have installed xubuntu here on some of my older machines...it is sort of a stripped down version more suited for older machines with low system requirements.
[02:59] <GotQuestions> Nice, I'll search for it now!
[02:59] <emgomez> i'm here too and i can try and help but i'm kind of a beginner too
[02:59] <swoody> Hello GotQuestions and haywire :)
[02:59] <swoody> and emgomez :)
[03:00] <emgomez> hi swoody
[03:00] <haywire> Gotquestions: Swoody is awesome and helped me with a desktop login problem!
[03:00] <GotQuestions> Hi swoody, thanks for offering your help :)
[03:00] <GotQuestions> Nice!
[03:00] <swoody> GotQuestions: was there anything in particular you were curious about, or just looking for a good bit of advice for the new install? :)
[03:00] <GotQuestions> Well, I really know nothing about installing OSs
[03:00] <GotQuestions> so basically everything!
[03:01] <GotQuestions> Do I download Xubuntu on my mac?
[03:01] <GotQuestions> *to
[03:01] <swoody> GotQuestions: well my friend, you've come to the right place :)
[03:01] <swoody> GotQuestions: you need to download the .iso file to any computer that you can burn a disc from
[03:02] <GotQuestions> Alright, do I need any special burning software or just regular burning?
[03:02] <swoody> GotQuestions: you need to make sure it has the option to 'Burn .iso' or 'Burn disc image'
[03:02] <swoody> we don't want the audio or data options here :)
[03:03] <GotQuestions> Ah! I'll check if  I can download Nero burning ROM
[03:03] <swoody> GotQuestions: here's a couple guides that may be of use to you as well:
[03:03] <swoody> https://help.ubuntu.com/9.10/installation-guide/index.html
[03:03] <swoody> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Installation
[03:04] <swoody> more specifically, this page: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/GraphicalInstall
[03:05] <GotQuestions> swoody: thank you so much
[03:06] <swoody> GotQuestions: np, and obviously don't be afraid to ask questions freely in here :)
[03:07] <haywire> swoody: I got a stupid question about this (xchat) utility itself...how do your replies to me (etc.) end up in red?  Do you have control over that?
[03:09] <emgomez> haywire, it's because swoody is typing your handle
[03:10] <emgomez> and the default is for it to alert when someone says your name
[03:10] <haywire> egomez: so is my reply like this red on your screen?
[03:10] <emgomez> well, it would have been, except my handle is eMgomez
[03:10] <emgomez> but what you can do is type the first or second letters and then hit tab
[03:11] <emgomez> and the handle will automatically pop up, assuming you typed in enough letters
[03:11] <haywire> sri sri typo... and the answer was so simple it eluded me... beating head on desk now...
[03:11] <emgomez> haha, it's okay
[03:11] <swoody> haywire: yes, it's called hilighting :)
[03:11] <emgomez> i'm sure you can fiddle in settings and disable the alert if you don't want to be bothered
[03:11] <haywire> emgomez, no, it's very helpful, i think
[03:11] <swoody> haywire: you can setup other terms to hilight in the settings of xchat, like "HayWire" or "hay wire", etc.
[03:12] <haywire> and the tab tip, too!
[03:12] <emgomez> right, or just any other particular words that you might want to know when people are discussing
[03:13] <emgomez> swoody, if you're in a helpful mood, can i ask you to take a look at the syslog for my printer? it's here: http://pastebin.com/prVt1YGr
[03:13] <haywire> swoody: Thanks again for steering me to the help forums to resolve my .gdm issues here... now I got my autlogin working, GRUB is dual-booting me to xp home or xubuntu, display is configured for its 1360x768 native display, life is good.
[03:14] <emgomez> oops, here was my message before you peered out: swoody, if you're in a helpful mood, can i ask you to take a look at the syslog for my printer? it's here: http://pastebin.com/prVt1YGr
[03:15] <emgomez> ddecator was super helpful and we worked at it for a couple hours but didn't manage to find a solution. and i'm in the middle of downloading the iso to see if the printer works with the livecd
[03:17] <swoody> emgomez: you have Ubuntu installed already?
[03:17] <emgomez> oh, yeah
[03:17] <emgomez> i think i've been using it for three years now
[03:18] <emgomez> but i'm still not very good at all at fixing things when they break
[03:18] <swoody> emgomez: gotcha. And your printer doesn't work right now?
[03:18] <emgomez> nope
[03:18] <GotQuestions> alright, obscure question for mac users:
[03:18] <swoody> emgomez: ok. Did you install any drivers for it, or have you been using plug-n-play up until now?
[03:18] <GotQuestions> Actually, proabably any users
[03:19] <GotQuestions> I'm putting the disk image onto the program Burn
[03:19] <GotQuestions> Should I 'mount' it?
[03:19] <swoody> GotQuestions: are you just burning the image to a CD?
[03:19] <GotQuestions> Yes, I want to use the CD as a boot disk
[03:19] <GotQuestions> So I'm not sure if I mount it or not?
[03:20] <swoody> GotQuestions: then no, you don't need to mount it, just burn it to disc :)
[03:20] <swoody> unless Mac is different about that...
[03:20] <swoody> humm...
[03:20] <GotQuestions> swoody: Once again, you're the man
[03:20] <emgomez> swoody, yes, definitely. when i first bought it, plug n play didn't work. it's an HP laserjet P1006, which caused problems for some people. i followed the instructions here (http://foo2xqx.rkkda.com/) to use the foo drivers and the printer worked great until two days ago
[03:20] <GotQuestions> I doubt it would be different.... (I hope)
[03:20] <GotQuestions> We shall see :)
[03:21] <swoody> emgomez: did anything change when it stopped working? Upgrade versions of Ubuntu, change drivers, anything out of the ordinary?
[03:22] <emgomez> swoody, when it ran out of paper in the middle of a print job. i couldn't clear the error light/make the printer believe it had paper again. i removed and then upgraded hplip, which made it briefly work again today, until we installed hpljs, partially because even with the hplip reinstall, when i would print a pdf, it would print the first page of the document and then stop and the error light would go on, until i opened
[03:22] <emgomez> up the printer and closed it again (no jam or anything, just an open/close) and then it would print the rest of the document
[03:23] <emgomez> the only two things that happened were the running out of paper in the middle of a job, which had actually never happened before. and i changed my graphics drivers to a proprietary one to get compiz to work
[03:23] <emgomez> also, perhaps solar flares.
[03:23] <emgomez> or an act of god
[03:23] <swoody> gotcha :)
[03:27] <swoody> emgomez: did you install the HPlip GUI?
[03:27] <swoody> try it with: sudo apt-get install hplip-gui
[03:28] <swoody> then run it: gksu hp-setup
[03:28] <emgomez> should i remove the existing hplip first?
[03:28] <swoody> emgomez: you could if you'd like. I'm not sure if it will interfere or not...
[03:29] <swoody> luckily all my printers have been plug-n-play :/
[03:29] <dvz> 'lo all
[03:29] <GotQuestions> Well that didn't work
[03:29] <emgomez> yeah, i have terrible luck with peripherals
[03:29] <emgomez> i must have been cursed at birth
[03:29] <swoody> GotQuestions: what didn't work out?
[03:30] <GotQuestions> When I started the computer, I went into BIOS and booted from CDROM first, then from E
[03:30] <GotQuestions> And neither worked :(
[03:30] <GotQuestions> The booting with the disc in
[03:30] <swoody> emgomez: well be thankful it's at least an HP. It could be much worse in Linux ;)
[03:30] <swoody> GotQuestions: any errors from BIOS when trying to boot from CD?
[03:31] <GotQuestions> Just said Boot From CDROM: Failure ...
[03:31] <GotQuestions> The ... was included in the error message
[03:31] <emgomez> swoody i got a "Firmware download to device failed."
[03:31] <swoody> GotQuestions: what architecture is your computer- x86, amd64?
[03:31] <swoody> emgomez: hmm...
[03:32] <GotQuestions> No idea, how do I find out?
[03:32] <GotQuestions> Swoody: ^that was to you
[03:32] <swoody> GotQuestions: well, which version of Ubuntu did you download, the default 32 bit version?
[03:33] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> is there a software for linux like visio 2003
[03:34] <GotQuestions> Yes
[03:34] <GotQuestions> I was thiking about downloading xubuntu, but didn't because I already had ubuntu downloaded and it would be another hour
[03:34] <GotQuestions> it's the server version though
[03:36] <GotQuestions> When I put on UBUNTU, I dragged it in as a disc image
[03:36] <GotQuestions> That was correct, right?
[03:36] <mika__> Can I erase a swap partition while logged into Linux?
[03:37] <swoody> GotQuestions: yeah, you need to burn it as a disc image. Have you tried booting from that CD in another computer?
[03:37] <GotQuestions> No- I can back out as it starts if it works, right?
[03:37] <swoody> GotQuestions: or I would try re-burning the image again, this time changing the burn speed to as slow as it will go. This will ensure that any errors while burning are kept to a minimum
[03:38] <swoody> GotQuestions: yeah, you can quit any time :)
[03:38] <GotQuestions> Thanks, I'll try it & pray the parental units don't get angry :/ ;)
[03:39] <swoody> GotQuestions: well if you just boot from the disc, and don't go through the *entire* install process, you're not going to make changes on the computer :)
[03:39] <swoody> so no worries there
[03:41] <mika__> This is going to be a major hassle. I think I have to reinstall Windows and Ubuntu both... :(
[03:41] <haywire> swoody and Gotquestions:  I think he may have done what I did one time... simply copied the .iso file onto the CD... that will not work.  GotQuestions, can you look at the CD you just burned and tell us what fileneame(s) you see there?
[03:42] <swoody> mika__: what's the matter?
[03:42] <swoody> mika__: and yes, you can shutoff your swap, and then remove the partition....
[03:42] <swoody> I would check first to make sure you're not using any of the swap: free -m
[03:43] <swoody> then if you're not, you can turn off the swap partition with: sudo swapoff -a
[03:43] <mika__> Half of my hdd is unallocated, and Disk Utility won't let me create a NTFS partition on it. I was saving that space for a partition which both Windows and Linux could use.
[03:43] <mika__> It says there are too many primary partitions.
[03:44] <swoody> mika__: how many do you have right now? You can only have 4 on a hard drive
[03:44] <swoody> emgomez: not finding too much help with this one :/
[03:44] <swoody> emgomez: the only things I've come across as from HP: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install/install/index.html
[03:45] <mika__> I started with an empty drive, and installed Windows first. Then I installed Linux, with a separate swap partition.
[03:45] <swoody> emgomez: also: http://hplipopensource.com/hplip-web/install_wizard/index.html
[03:45] <mika__> But apparently Windows 7 automatically creates a 100 mb boot partition as well.
[03:45] <stlsaint> swoody the juggler
[03:45] <emgomez> swoody, i actually caved in and bought the stupid warranty for 15 dollars when i bought this. i have a feeling this is a hardware problem that's not allowing the firmware to update appropriately. i'm going to see if the tech people will cave and replace it
[03:45] <swoody> stlsaint: :)
[03:45] <swoody> emgomez: have you tried this printer on other computers or OS'es?
[03:46] <emgomez> WELL, funny you should ask
[03:46] <emgomez> because this laptop was supposed to be a dual boot, but vista apparently freaked out about being dual booted
[03:46] <emgomez> and then i have a little netbook that runs netbook remix
[03:46] <swoody> mika__: ah, I see. Then yeah, you'd need to do as I mentioned above, but if you don't have enough RAM to run your system without swap, the 'solution' may be a bit more in-depth
[03:46] <emgomez> so i'm flying windows free right now
[03:47] <emgomez> i'll go try the netbook though
[03:47] <swoody> emgomez: well that's very good to hear :)
[03:47] <mika__> If I remove the swap partition, which is a logical partition, can I then use the empty space to create another swap AND a data drive?
[03:48] <swoody> mika__: so you're going to have two versions of Windows and Ubuntu installed?
[03:48] <mika__> No, just one of each, and a separate drive just for data that both can access.
[03:48] <swoody> mika__: or are you just going for Win 7 and Ubuntu?
[03:48] <swoody> mika__: seperate drive, or *partition*?
[03:48] <mika__> Partition
[03:49] <mika__> sorry.
[03:49] <swoody> mika__: np :)
[03:49] <swoody> mika__: well, IIRC there's also a way to install Win7 without using two partitions...
[03:50] <swoody> that way you can have one Windows, one Ubuntu, one swap, and one shared data partition
[03:50] <swoody> mika__: or if you'd rather leave Win 7 how it wants to install, you'd probably have to lose the swap :/
[03:51] <mika__> Hmm....
[03:51] <mika__> Can Ubuntu use the / partition for swap?
[03:51] <swoody> no, it has to be seperate :/
[03:52] <mika__> Damn...
[03:52] <mika__> If I remove the Windows installation, and then reinstall it, it's going to overwrite the boot configuration...
[03:53] <swoody> we could go with extended partitions here, but I *think* Ubuntu at least needs it's /boot as a primary...
[03:53] <swoody> mika__: yeah, then you'll just need to re-install Grub, but that's not hard with a liveCD
[03:54] <mika__> I may have to do that, much as I dread to...
[03:55] <hgd4th> I'm trying to get my built-in webcam recognized by my laptop, and I think I have to "clone a repository" (I have no idea what this means). how do I do that?
[03:55] <mika__> Since Ubuntu always sniffs any existing OSs and is kind enough to add them to its boot config, I've never messed with grub
[03:55] <mika__> Windows just plows right over everything...
[03:55] <swoody> mika__: it's Windows, that's what they're good at ;)
[03:56] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> what is a alt for visio in ubuntu
[03:56] <mika__> Is there a difference between a /temp and a /swap partition?
[03:56] <swoody> with how demanding their OS is, I'm suprised so many people pay tons of $$ for it :/
[03:57] <swoody> mika__: yes, your /temp is where data is stored that is needed temporarily by your system, swap is for running programs/apps that require a good amount of info to be at hand. So the two are completely different in how they work and what they're used for
[03:57] <swoody> swap (basically) is extra memory, just like the pagefile on Windows
[03:57] <mika__> Zero, I don't know the answer to that one, but you should check out alternativeto.net; you can look up an app in Win/Linux/Mac and see what alternatives there are, their ratings etc.
[03:59] <mika__> In that case I'll be sure to leave the swap alone, or at least recreate it.
[03:59] <mika__> Thanks for your help, Swoody.
[04:00] <swoody> mika__: well, like I mentioned, if you have enough RAM to run without it, it's not absolutely neccesary, but it is good measure to have one :)
[04:00] <swoody> mika__: ok, new plan :)
[04:00] <mika__> Yeah, I'm going to do some video editing and image manipulation, so it's best to have it there just in case.
[04:01] <swoody> mika__: use the partition that Ubuntu is installed in now, and create an extended partition with it. You can then create root, home, swap, and any other partitions you'd like for Ubuntu as extended ones :)
[04:01] <swoody> then you'll still have 2 primary partitions for Win7, and one for data
[04:01] <Vantrax> mika__, should look like [Windows][{/}{Swap}{Home}][Data]
[04:02] <Vantrax> change your existing ubuntu partition into an extended partition, then create the logical partitions (usually root swap and home) inside it
[04:02] <stlsaint> hey whats the commadn to find out info about wireless card?
[04:03] <stlsaint> is it iwconfig?
[04:03] <Vantrax> yes
[04:03] <swoody> stlsaint: ifconfig or iwconfig
[04:03] <Vantrax> if config gives general network info
[04:03] <Vantrax> iwconfig gives wireless specific info
[04:03] <hgd4th> can anyone help me with this repository thing?
[04:04] <Vantrax> sorry, i missed what repository thing it was
[04:04] <hgd4th> I'm trying to get my built-in webcam recognized by my laptop, and I think I have to "clone a repository" (I have no idea what this means). how do I do that?
[04:04] <mika__> Can the Ubuntu root partition be changed from primary to logical (if that's even doable) without ruining the installation?
[04:04] <Vantrax> no idea what that means either...
[04:04] <Vantrax> mika__, no
[04:04] <stlsaint> clone a repo....i think you are confused about something
[04:04] <stlsaint> hgd4th: ^^
[04:05] <hgd4th> hmm so how do I make use of whatever is on this website: http://bitbucket.org/ahixon/r5u87x/
[04:05] <stlsaint> hgd4th: are you aware what a repository is?
[04:05] <hgd4th> no
[04:05] <swoody> mika__: some more info on extended partitioning :) https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HowtoPartition/ExtendedPartition
[04:05] <Vantrax> mika__, you can however back up the content of your root partition with something like clonezilla then restore it into the new partition
[04:05] <mika__> Would it retain all my apps and AWN settings etc?
[04:05] <stlsaint> hgd4th: in a nut shell the repos is where you download all your software from in synaptic package manager
[04:05] <Vantrax> other options are symantec ghost, and acronis truecopy
[04:05] <Vantrax> mika__, yes
[04:06] <swoody> Vantrax: rsync couldn't do it? Like how you can move other partitions?
[04:06] <Vantrax> swoody, boot track issues
[04:06] <swoody> ah, gotcha :)
[04:06] <Vantrax> rsync just does raw data
[04:06] <Vantrax> rsync is what you would use just to copy your home drive for example
[04:06] <hgd4th> stlsaint__, so do you know how I could install this: http://bitbucket.org/ahixon/r5u87x/
[04:07] <stlsaint> hgd4th: in that site you are only grabbing the various files in accordance with what the subject is...
[04:07] <emgomez> swoody, alright, printer tried on a second system, fairly identical failure. it just acts as if no data was sent to it and eventually the system returns a "printer may not be connected" message, even though it is physically connected
[04:07] <stlsaint> hgd4th: running that command: hg clone http://bitbucket.... will get you a dir with various files in it i believe
[04:07] <Vantrax> mika__, those technologies create a copy of your partition data and allow it to be restored later. You will likely have to do a grub-update from the liveCD after restoring so that grub can find its new partitions and update
[04:07] <swoody> emgomez: that is odd... Since the netbook is fresh, and doesn't have any drivers installed, have you tried installing hplip on it?
[04:08] <swoody> emgomez: like the HP site outlines
[04:08] <stlsaint> hgd4th: if you feel safe with that site than you can run the command in your terminal
[04:08] <hgd4th> I just tried that but it returned "hg: command not found"
[04:09] <mika__> but won't that backup be lost when the partitions are removed and redone?
[04:09] <hgd4th> I was linked to that site from here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SkypeWebCams it said the driver on that site "supports many VAIO" webcams
[04:09] <Vantrax> hgd4th, you might have to do sudo apt-get install mercurial before hg will work
[04:09] <emgomez> swoody, well, right. that's what i did. i plugged it in, hoping for autosetup but i got the message "this printer requires proprietary drivers, please run hp-setup" so i installed the whole hplip shebang, using the official hp drivers but no dice. then i tried the foo drivers. still nothing
[04:10] <Vantrax> mika__, it makes a copy onto another device as a file
[04:10] <Vantrax> so you can copy the drive to an external HDD for example
[04:10] <Vantrax> and it would have a disk image file containing that partition
[04:10] <Vantrax> mika__, google symantec ghost and look at the explanations of how it works
[04:11] <stlsaint> hgd4th: kk, that command will prolly download the driver than
[04:12] <Vantrax> emgomez, have you looked at http://127.0.0.1:631/
[04:12] <Vantrax> and tried setting it up through there with a generic postscript driver
[04:12] <stlsaint> Vantrax: you know how i can tell what type of wireless card i have?
[04:13] <Vantrax> erm, ill just check
[04:13] <swoody> stlsaint: lspci | grep -i Network
[04:13] <stlsaint> sweet
[04:13] <pedro3005> nobody saw that
[04:13] <stlsaint> dayse?????
[04:14] <Vantrax> i would try lspci
[04:14] <hgd4th> I typed sudo apt-get install mercurial in the terminal and it returned "E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13: Permission denied) E: Unalbe to lock the administration directory (/varlib/dpkg/), are you root?
[04:14] <Vantrax> or dmesg to show you everything that the kernel detects
[04:14] <Vantrax> hgd4th, make sure you dont have update, or synaptic running
[04:14] <swoody> hgd4th: do you have update manager or Synaptic open? You need to close those for now to use another package manager
[04:15] <emgomez> Vantrax, i'm not really sure which driver to pick for a generic postscript driver
[04:15] <emgomez> or, to be honest, what to do with it once i find it
[04:16] <Vantrax> if you go to add a printer
[04:16] <Vantrax> you will get to the point where you can choose a driver and there will be an option for a generic driver or postscript driver
[04:17] <Vantrax> thats the cheap and dirty way to get you up and running, it wont give you advanced features but you should be able to print
[04:17] <Vantrax> emgomez, http://127.0.0.1:631/admin click the add a printer button to get started
[04:18] <emgomez> Vantrax, mmm, i need a username/pass?
[04:18] <Vantrax> its your local admin username and pass
[04:18] <Vantrax> the one you can sudo to root with
[04:18] <mika__> Thank you very much for your help guys! You're great!
[04:19] <emgomez> alrighty
[04:19] <swoody> mika__: it's np :) Feel free to drop in again if you come up with other questions :)
[04:19] <Vantrax> mika__, happy we could help you
[04:19] <mika__> Thanks!!
[04:19] <emgomez> Vantrax, there's actually two P1006 printers listed in cups
[04:19] <emgomez> HP LaserJet P1006 (HP LaserJet P1006)
[04:19] <emgomez> HP LaserJet P1006 USB AC2F78F HPLIP (HP LaserJet P1006)
[04:20] <Vantrax> what do you know eh
[04:20] <Vantrax> try those
[04:20] <emgomez> well, but which one?
[04:20] <hgd4th> nice, it looked like that command worked
[04:20] <Vantrax> is it connected via usb
[04:20] <emgomez> i mean, the printer at issue is a 1006, but i only have one
[04:20] <emgomez> yeah, via usb
[04:20] <hgd4th> now to see if my webcam works...
[04:20] <Vantrax> then use the second one
[04:20] <emgomez> alrighty
[04:20] <swoody> hgd4th: that's great to hear :)
[04:21] <hgd4th> ah, still nothing
[04:21] <hgd4th> thanks for your help though
[04:22] <Vantrax> you should be getting closer
[04:22] <swoody> hgd4th: are you getting any other error messages now?
[04:22] <Vantrax> what did the rest of the wiki say
[04:22] <emgomez> huh
[04:23] <emgomez> Vantrax, it tried to send a print query for the default settings but the error was: 	held since Thu 22 Apr 2010 11:21:26 PM EDT "/usr/lib/cups/backend/hp failed"
[04:23] <hgd4th> no, I typed "gstreamer-properties" in the terminal, and clicked "Test" under "default input" and still got a screen with colorful bars and static in the bottom right corner
[04:24] <swoody> hgd4th: what make/model is your webcam?
[04:25] <Vantrax> im assuming that time is a recent time in your TZ?
[04:25] <hgd4th> it's built into my Sony VAIO VGN-SZ430N
[04:25] <swoody> hgd4th: ah, ok. Gimme one sec here...
[04:25] <Vantrax> emgomez, i would have to say its likely that the driver is bad or cups has crashed. It might be worth restarting and seeing if it comes right after a reboot
[04:26] <emgomez> restarting the computer or the printer?
[04:26] <emgomez> (heh.)
[04:28] <Vantrax> comp
[04:30] <emgomez> alrighty
[04:31] <swoody> hgd4th: can you post on pastebin.ubuntu.com the output of: lspci
[04:34] <hgd4th> done
[04:34] <swoody> hgd4th: and give us the URL to it?
[04:35] <hgd4th> ha sorry: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/420797/
[04:36] <swoody> np :)
[04:37] <swoody> well, it's not showing up in lspci...
[04:38] <hgd4th> that means the laptop isn't recognizing it?
[04:38] <swoody> hgd4th: oh, can you try: lsusb
[04:39] <hgd4th> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/420800/
[04:39] <swoody> there it is :)
[04:40] <hgd4th> nice!
[04:40] <hgd4th> progress
[04:41] <swoody> well, yes and no :)
[04:41] <swoody> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Webcam
[04:41] <swoody> lists the module needed for your webcam as 'having problems'
[04:42] <swoody> but we're going to look into that, and see if there's a workaround here
[04:42] <hgd4th> ah okay
[04:44] <swoody> hgd4th: out of curiosity, which version of Ubuntu are you running?
[04:45] <hgd4th> 9.10
[04:46] <Vantrax> have you tried the 10.04 liveCD?
[04:47] <hgd4th> no, should I try that next?
[04:47] <Vantrax> the problem may have been fixed in the new version
[04:47] <Vantrax> its worth trying the liveCD to check before anyone gets into the finer details of trying to fix the problem
[04:48] <hgd4th> does LiveCD means it runs off a CD so I can try it before I install it?
[04:49] <Vantrax> yes
[04:49] <Vantrax> exactly
[04:51] <hgd4th> cool, is this the place to get it: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/
[04:53] <Vantrax> your looking for the RC1 release
[04:54] <hgd4th> hm where do I find that
[04:55] <Vantrax> http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/releases/10.04/rc/
[04:55] <Vantrax> there you go
[04:56] <hgd4th> excellent, thanks
[04:56] <hgd4th> bout to install it
[04:57] <Vantrax> use it live
[04:57] <Vantrax> dont install unless it fixes your camera problem
[04:57] <hgd4th> k
[04:57] <hgd4th> wow it says it's gonna take 7 hrs to download
[04:57] <hgd4th> throttled dormroom connection... /-:
[04:58] <Vantrax> ow
[04:58] <Vantrax> university?
[04:58] <hgd4th> yeah
[04:58] <hgd4th> New College of Florida
[04:58] <Vantrax> most universities have a local mirror of ubuntu
[04:58] <Vantrax> i would check and see if you do
[04:59] <hgd4th> I doubt we do, it's not a big university
[04:59] <hgd4th> just undergrad
[04:59] <Vantrax> fair enough
[04:59] <paultag_> what uni hgd4th?
[04:59] <hgd4th> New College of Florida, not a university at all really
[05:00] <paultag_> Ah, rad
[05:00] <paultag_> Your IP spits out UNIVERSITY OF SOUTH FLORIDA
[05:00] <paultag_> nice weather down there :)
[05:01] <hgd4th> yeah it's pretty great, it was sunny enough today that there were girls in bikinis tanning on the quad
[05:01] <hgd4th> always a good thing (-:
[05:01] <paultag_> sure is
[05:01] <hgd4th> well I'm gonna sleep while this downloads, thanks so much everyone for your help
[05:01] <paultag_> at 12:00 ?
[05:02] <paultag_> that's when we go out. Sheeet.
[05:02] <paultag_> night there hgd4th
[05:02] <hgd4th> nightnight
[05:22] <ZeRoDeAtH50435> what format does visio save in and what can I use on ubuntu
[06:07] <pedro3005> hello MadameTock
[06:54] <ddecator> hey all
[08:58] <shahan> hi all
[08:58] <ddecator> hey shahan
[08:58] <shahan> how is going on
[08:59] <ddecator> pretty good. wondering why i'm still up since it's 3am, haha
[08:59] <ddecator> how are things with you?
[10:27] <SiReN> after much confusion (on my part) I finally managed to add my windows 7 boot to grub (installed on another drive)...but when i attempt to update grub to grub 2 my settings are not carried over...is there a way to do this? *complete noob to ubuntu, but definitely liking it*
[10:31] <talsemgeest> SiReN: Which settings are you talking about? If you run "sudo update-grub" you should have all the boot options on your new boot menu
[10:31] <talsemgeest> Damn
[10:31] <talsemgeest> :(
[10:31] <talsemgeest> SiReN: Which settings are you talking about? If you run "sudo update-grub" you should have all the boot options on your new boot menu
[10:35] <SiReN> well I first uninstalled grub 2, 'cause that was just abit much for me, then followed a tut on how to add a windows boot with grub (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/How_to_dual-boot_Ubuntu_and_XP_after_installing_them_separately_on_two_HDs), this worked brilliantly and I could see and boot into windows, however when i booted back into ubuntu and installed grub 2, sudo update-grub, the entry for windows wasn't there...
[10:38] <SiReN> are there any tut's for adding a windows boot for grub 2 that I missed (ie one that i would understand...)
[10:41] <talsemgeest> SiReN: Yes, just run "sudo update-grub" in the terminal and all should be well :)
[10:41] <SiReN> k gonna try that now, thanks :)
[13:23] <mR0> I'm using ubuntu-9.04 jaunty. And I used HP 3900 printer. How can I configure it with my openoffice.org 3.2? Its been little bit difficult to match it(for me).
[13:23] <mR0> is here any help?
[13:37] <freezeloud> mR0: hi, I used HP DeskJet 450 or something like that, but since that didn't need to set up printer, so I probably won't help much...
[13:48] <mR0> freezeloud : yes, I didn't need to configure it when plug it in to my computer, I didn't have any serious problem on it. The problem is when I print document trough openoffice.org, Several lines on the top document not be printed.
[13:52] <geirha> If you save as/export to pdf, does the pdf contain those missing lines?
[13:52] <freezeloud> mR0: wow, can't remember if it also happend to me. What about export to pdf a print it from document viewer - I know that don't solve the problem, but i really don't know what could cause that
[13:53] <freezeloud> like geirha said :)
[15:12] <LzrdKing> is it normal when exporting 2 nfs shares to have 8 copies of nfsd running?
[17:32] <komputes> I need to mount an imaged encrypted partition. I used dd to make a raw image file of a LUKS encrypted partition 'sudo cryptsetup luksOpen stuff.image stuff' gives me a code 22 error - any ideas?
[20:28] <pedro3005> hello MadameTock
[20:30] <Raidsong> pedro3005, be careful it could be a trap
[20:31] <malev> hi pedro3005
[20:31] <pedro3005> Raidsong, :o
[20:31] <Raidsong> pedro3005, :o
[20:31] <pedro3005> hi malev
[20:38] <MadameTock> Hello pedro3005
[20:38] <MadameTock> IT'S A TRAAAAAP
[20:38] <drubin> I have a pretty n00bile question... it is regarding ubuntu indirectly I need to restore windows onto a netbook for a friend
[20:38] <drubin> and ubuntu/grub kinda ruined that.
[20:39] <drubin> well it ruined windowws boot loader and would love help restoring it ;/
[20:39] <pedro3005> drubin, got a windows recovery cd thing?
[20:40] <drubin> Nope.
[20:40] <drubin> I have tried super grub disk and it gets to the boot menu but after that it fails ;/
[20:42] <drubin> pedro3005: Any ideas of other things to try?
[20:43] <pedro3005> I would research into how it fails
[20:43] <pedro3005> what error does it give?
[20:44] <znxtch> hey there gang
[20:44] <znxtch> got another random question
[20:44] <znxtch> its becoming a nightly thing for me
[20:45] <znxtch> Another personal opinion poll. . .
[20:45] <znxtch> Most useful application you have. . .is?
[20:47] <pedro3005> hm.. I like gedit :p
[20:47] <drubin> pedro3005: It just hangs
[20:48] <LzrdKing> vi
[20:48] <pedro3005> drubin, so let me get it straight, you want to leave just windows at the machine?
[20:48] <znxtch> vi?
[20:48] <LzrdKing> yes
[20:48] <znxtch> what is that?
[20:48] <LzrdKing> very useful, vi
[20:48] <pedro3005> google.com ..
[20:49] <LzrdKing> command line text editor
[20:49] <znxtch> and howdy to you by the way LzrdKing...(a name I recognize!)
[20:49] <LzrdKing> pedro3005: google.com is not an application
[20:49] <LzrdKing> hody, znxtch
[20:50] <pedro3005> LzrdKing, I was telling him to google "vi"
[20:50] <znxtch> lol
[20:50] <znxtch> yeah but google wont give me LzrdKing's insight
[20:50] <znxtch> and from what i know of him
[20:50] <znxtch> his insight is valuable
[20:50] <znxtch> or her
[20:50] <znxtch> for that matter
[20:50] <znxtch> haha
[20:50] <znxtch> as you can see i know LzrdKing very well
[20:51] <drubin> pedro3005: Yes
[20:51] <drubin> pedro3005: Windows was on the machine, I installed ubuntu, then I removed ubuntu and deleted the ubuntu partion (with live cd)
[20:51] <drubin> now windows can't boot because there isn't a boot loader ;/
[20:52] <pedro3005> re-installing windows is not an option?
[20:52] <LzrdKing> boot with your windows cd, and open the recovery console and type fix mbr, then foxboot
[20:52] <LzrdKing> fixboot
[20:52] <LzrdKing> and fixmbr
[20:52] <drubin> pedro3005: I don't have a disk, netbook doesn't have a cd rom drive
[20:52] <LzrdKing> ohh, you're screwed
[20:52] <drubin> LzrdKing: Don't have windows disk...
[20:53] <drubin> i mean I have an XP iso but can't make a bootable usb disc because windows is annoying
[20:53] <pedro3005> hm...
[20:53] <drubin> what happens if I make a 5gig ubuntu partion and use grubs bootloader
[20:53] <drubin> I am that pissed off with windows now
[20:54] <LzrdKing> drubin, make a 20gb ubuntu partition, and use it :)
[20:54] <drubin> LzrdKing: I am selling the PC needs to have windows on it
[20:54] <drubin> because it came with windows
[20:55] <LzrdKing> i'd make the windows partition as small as possible
[20:55] <drubin> there are like a million websites saying fix grub after windows wipes it out but nothing about fixing windows after ubuntu wipes it out
[20:55] <LzrdKing> but yeah, if you put grub on, it should be able to boot windows
[20:55] <drubin> LzrdKing: I haven't used windows in like 3 years but this isn't my pc
[20:56] <LzrdKing> drubin: there are, they sy to boot into recovery consdole and run fixboot and fixmbr
[20:58] <LzrdKing> s/sy/say
[21:00] <drubin> LzrdKing: you need to be able to boot into windows or have a recovery disk for that to work ;/
[21:00] <drubin> trying some cryptic option in supergrubdisk and seeing if that works
[21:02] <LzrdKing> drubin: or your XP cd and a cd rom drive
[21:03] <drubin> LzrdKing: Do you know how to make a bootable USB of xp from ubuntu?
[21:03] <drubin> because I have tried and failed horribly
[21:04] <LzrdKing> i do not
[21:04] <LzrdKing> maybe BartPE can help
[21:05] <drubin> LzrdKing: :)
[21:06] <LzrdKing> i don;t know if that works on USB though, or if you can get it to USB from ubuntu
[21:08] <drubin> stuff it going to install ubuntu
[21:08] <drubin> it will be hidden to window
[21:08] <drubin> set grub delay to 1second
[21:09] <LzrdKing> why do you need windows on it, anyway?
[21:09] <drubin> LzrdKing: because it was sold "contains windows"
[21:10] <LzrdKing> well, resell it "no longer containing windows, contains something much better"
[21:19] <drubin> so over this right now
[21:22] <LzrdKing> just wipe windows and sell it as "better than windows"
[21:24] <drubin> LzrdKing: please stop suggesting that it isn't an optinon
[21:24] <drubin> I asked here because ubuntu wiped windows boot loader and thought people would know how to fix it.
[21:25] <drubin> Sorry for bothering.
[21:25] <LzrdKing> why? is someone already buying it and expects windows on it?
[21:25] <LzrdKing> i do know how to fix it, just not without a windows disc and a disc drive
[21:28] <drubin> yes
[21:28] <drubin> LzrdKing: Ye I know those options as well but because it isn't an option
[21:30] <LzrdKing> installing grub should work though
[21:30] <drubin> LzrdKing: Yip doing that.
[21:30] <LzrdKing> maybe you can just make a 10MB partition for just grub
[21:50] <drubin> btw using ubuntu worked fine.
[21:50] <drubin> LzrdKing: ye but that requires effort :)
[21:51] <LzrdKing> how big is the HDD?
[21:58] <znxtch> http://sen7.deviantart.com/art/Mira-100077120
[21:58] <znxtch> how the heck do I install this?
[22:07] <Raidsong> is this the windows tech support?
[22:09] <drubin> Raidsong: No, it was me asking for help with something that ubuntu break.
[22:09] <drubin> already aplogised
[22:10] <Raidsong> drubin, i was being a smart*** i didnt know you asked any windows questions
[22:13] <drubin> Ah
[22:51] <malev> hi! what is the md5sum del ubuntu RC for i386 ?
[22:52] <emgomez> anyone around to chitchat with me about how to run a server?
[22:52] <malev> what is chitchat¡
[22:52] <malev> ?¡
[22:55] <drubin> emgomez: sure
[22:55] <drubin> malev: it is listed on the website
[22:56] <malev> yes I know, ... but I didn't wanted to go and look for it.. I'm a bit lazzy today
[22:56] <malev> :D
[22:56] <csousa> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5sum
[22:56] <drubin> malev: WOW lazy
[22:57] <malev> :D
[22:58] <emgomez> drubin, SO i guess the first question is, do you know of a good resource or guide written on how to run a server for people who have never done it before?
[22:58] <phillw> emgomez: what ever server you wish to use, make sure that you use tasksel to do it :-)
[22:58] <drubin> emgomez: depends what you want to use the server for
[22:59] <emgomez> drubin, second question is probably if i can run the ubuntu server version with individual windows consoles
[22:59] <drubin> I don't like tasksel, I by mistake removed my whole desktop enviroment with it
[22:59] <emgomez> phillw, no idea what that means =P
[22:59] <emgomez> drubin, basically, i'm volunteering for a legal services office, a nonprofit. they have no tech support whatsoever... except for me, apparently. everyone runs virus-ridden windows machines
[22:59] <phillw> emgomez: do not used apt-get this, apt-get that
[23:00] <csousa> i've got a dual boot win7/ubuntu in a HP G7000, ubuntu doesn't connect to my wireless router...must i configure wireless manually?
[23:00] <phillw> as to securing a server read http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1046738
[23:01] <emgomez> drubin, so, basically i need 1. to route all of the internet traffic through the server to avoid viruses, 2. provide everyone with a networked drive to store office files on for everyone's use, 3. route the printers and scanner through the network so all of the desktops can print to any of the printers or get scans from the scanner
[23:01] <drubin> emgomez: Ok every thing on that list makes sense except viruses
[23:01] <phillw> emgomez: it's a bit more involved than you may think. If you want top just run a 'local' server for you to practice on, that can be easily added, if you want  server the the bad ol' WWW has access to, it is a whole different ball game
[23:01] <emgomez> so, do i sound totally insane, considering that i've never in my life gotten a server up and running?
[23:01] <emgomez> sigh
[23:02] <malev> csousa, but you can see the wireless net in ubuntu?
[23:02] <emgomez> i was afraid it was going to be more complicated than i had hoped
[23:02] <csousa> no
[23:02] <drubin> simply having a server infront of your connections isn't going to filter traffic and doing viruses filter is some heavy heavy duty stuff
[23:02] <emgomez> drubin, why don't the viruses make sense, exactly?
[23:02] <emgomez> well
[23:02] <phillw> emgomez: yup, you do. learn it on a local system & then harden your system
[23:02] <csousa> just etho
[23:02] <drubin> emgomez: Meaning you would have to scan every single packet before it goes to the client
[23:02] <malev> csousa, oh! then you don't have propertly installed your wireless borad
[23:03]  * phillw still has scars when i thought i knew how to it
[23:03] <csousa> it's an intel
[23:03] <malev> csousa,  go to: Systen, administrations, hardware drivers
[23:03] <emgomez> drubin, well, but rather than scanning packets, why can't i firewall known sources of viruses?
[23:03] <malev> maybe it can find it
[23:03] <csousa> ok
[23:03] <emgomez> i don't need something perfect
[23:03] <drubin> emgomez: Do you know sources of viruses?
[23:04] <emgomez> but this office has a lot of staffers and volunteers coming in and out and everyone seems to end up installing stupid malware
[23:04] <phillw> emgomez: you will not get 'viruses' on a linux system, you will get hackers
[23:04] <csousa> it's searching
[23:04] <drubin> emgomez: Users will install stupid malware no matter what you firewall
[23:04] <drubin> you need to lock down the client machines
[23:04] <emgomez> yeah, i do need to lock them down
[23:04] <emgomez> but
[23:05] <csousa> thanks malev
[23:05] <malev> it's there?
[23:05] <phillw> emgomez: have you looked at edubuntu ?
[23:05] <emgomez> none of the systems are set up to be administered really -- i mean, it's just like they installed whatever version of windows they got, for home use
[23:05] <csousa> yep broadcom b43
[23:05] <csousa> sould i activate driver?
[23:05] <emgomez> phillw, i haven't, i thought it was a desktop version for educational purposes
[23:06] <malev> csousa, that is correct!
[23:06] <csousa> thanks
[23:06] <phillw> emgomez: it is, but it also ties down a lot control to the 'teacher', it may be of help if you have 'errant' "children" wanting to break things
[23:08] <emgomez> phillw, well, the reality is that i don't think i'm going to convince the executive director to migrate all of the desktops to a non-windows environment. i'm trying to think of solutions that will work within the limits i have, which are not a whole lot of advanced tech knowledge on my part AND a relatively unsophisticated staff, technologically speaking
[23:09] <phillw> emgomez: go ask Bill Gates, then?
[23:09] <emgomez> excuse me?
[23:10] <phillw> we cannot help people installing malware on windows machines, we only offer an alternative that works?
[23:10] <emgomez> my original question was whether or not i could run an ubuntu server with desktop machines that run windows
[23:10] <phillw> you can, but it will not protect the windows machines
[23:11] <emgomez> okay, so why is a server that routes the internet traffic so much more complicated?
[23:12] <emgomez> putting aside the question of virus and malware protection
[23:12] <emgomez> or maybe not putting it aside, because i thought the function of server firewalling was to help prevent traffic that looks suspicious/virus-y
[23:14] <csousa> thanks malev, wireless it's working just fine
[23:14] <malev> csousa, cool!! enjoy Ubuntu then!
[23:14] <phillw> you can have a ubuntu machine check for virus ridden emails and spam, on the packet level of examining each byte that comes in, you can block everything, or allow. If you'd like to try 'educate' the people, I'd suggest tying their browsers into WOT
[23:15] <Raidsong> the only flaw is if they zip the virus
[23:15] <Raidsong> cant check the inside of a zipped file
[23:17] <emgomez> phillw, what's WOT?
[23:18] <phillw> Raidsong: as always, we're asking the little brother (linux) to try and look after the big daft one. We can only do so much, although you could set amail server up to expand and check all attachemtnes
[23:19] <phillw> emgomez: http://www.mywot.com/ You can set it so that users cannot access known bad sites, rather than just receive a warning.
[23:20] <Raidsong> phillw, the zipped file isnt viewed as executable there in lies the problem
[23:20] <emgomez> mmm, i like WOT
[23:20] <emgomez> looks very nifty
[23:21] <phillw> emgomez: I install it by default on any minors computer systems & set the rule to "do not allow"
[23:22] <phillw> it's not perfect, as it requires people to judge sites, but it is pretty darn good.
[23:25] <phillw> Raidsong: I'm quite sure it would be possible for a system like this http://flurdy.com/docs/postfix/ to be able to do it, in fact, I'd wage a bet he'd like to make it so :-)
[23:25] <Raidsong> phillw, im sure its possible but would people like you unzipping things from their mail?
[23:25] <Raidsong> phillw, also if it has a password it wont work
[23:27] <phillw> the server is doing it, and no, i have no problem with it, my vpolink email address goes through some of those checks. It may not be 100% accurate, but it does catch the ones we have deliberately tried to send.
[23:32] <phillw> Raidsong: security is like layers on a onion, the more that you have, the more you keep out. Can we guarantee 100%? no, but we can cut them down, just as we have IP / email address lookup tables for people registering and posting on forums - can we stop all spam, nope, but we can cut it down. WOT is another good tool in the fight against 'bad places', having a default engine that searches attachements for viruses is a good tool. If there were a sim
[23:41] <emgomez> what's a scheduler and what's the difference between a CFQ one and a deadline i/o one?
[23:58] <phillw> emgomez: the nearest i have found to be in 'english' and not 'tech' is here --> http://www.linuxinsight.com/cfq_to_become_the_default_i_o_scheduler.html