[00:00] My mail's still downloading (see above discussion about internet caps) so I might not be entirely up to date, but yes. Roll-back post RC. [00:00] hehe [01:03] C'mon internode. Process that “Please give me more bandwidth” payment… [01:11] It takes up to 90 minutes to do it afaik. [01:13] TheMuso: Yeah. [01:38] RAOF: you should have speed again... :p [01:38] pitti, glx revert xserver package is uploaded for your review [01:39] pitti, I have a few other severe xserver bug fixes, but I decided not to include them in this upload so we could focus on getting this one in asap [01:39] pitti, for the others, I'm still waiting on a few test results but the fixes look worth including as SRUs at least [01:40] pitti, if you'd like me to include the fixes together with this upload, let me know and I'll rejigger them in [01:40] (the other two bugs are 539772 and 553647) [02:57] Hello! Can everyone add new blueprints for maverick? [02:57] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/?searchtext=desktop-maverick [03:43] I'm off to collect the keys to our new home! (and have lunch ;)). [03:58] RAOF: have fun. [04:32] c [07:26] Good morning [07:27] Good morning! [07:27] bryceh, RAOF: ah, I was going to start a discussion about rolling back vs. RAOF's patch now, but seems you guys beat me to it :) my gut feeling is that we should upload the rollback to final and RAOF's real fix to -proposed; WDYT? [07:30] bryceh: two bugs> hm, there's zero margin for error now, so I'd rather have them in the first SRU upload (which will be pretty early, I figure?) [07:30] I think that's the right idea; the rollback is safer and we want to be really sure about the fix, because if it's incomplete it'll mean X crashes. [07:30] RAOF: oh, new home? [07:30] pitti: Yah! [07:30] RAOF: agreed, thanks [07:30] new release, new house, that fits! [07:31] bryceh: I added a lucid task to 553647 [07:32] Our first very own house. It'll be awesome. [07:35] bryceh: your X upload also included bug 519049; how sure are you about this? [07:35] Launchpad bug 519049 in xorg-server ""xauth generate" with large timeout triggers assertion" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/519049 [07:49] good morning [07:50] hey didrocks [07:50] Guten Morgen pitti, how are you? [07:52] didrocks: tres bien, merci! et toi? [07:52] pitti: very good French. Sorry that I can't do the same in German ;) I'm fine, thanks! [08:51] hey hey there [08:52] bonjour Monsieur Bacher! [08:54] pitti, guten tag! [08:55] salut seb128 [08:55] lut didrocks ;-) [08:55] didrocks, bonne soirée ? [08:56] seb128: ça va, c'était sympa merci! :) [08:56] * seb128 has slept well and ready for a good work day [08:56] seb128: et toi? [08:56] nickel [08:56] heh === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [10:12] ubuntuone synchronize nothing here… u1sdtool hangs too. Let's hop logout/login will fix this… [10:13] (having the same thing on my netbook isn't a very good sign) [11:01] Hello everyone === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away === MacSlow is now known as MacSlow|lunch === almaisan-away is now known as al-maisan [12:16] seb128: hi.. could we get an update for Humanity , it seems broken for kde users Bug #566996 , the symlinks are causing a problem there [12:16] Launchpad bug 566996 in humanity-icon-theme "Humanity in KDE does not display volume icons." [Low,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566996 [12:16] SRU update rather ;) === MacSlow|lunch is now known as MacSlow [13:02] hyperair, seb128: Thank you for the fix for Indicator Application. It has finally landed today! [13:02] \o/ [13:02] finally! [13:03] qense, np, thanks the people who did the work I just uploaded ;-) [13:05] ccheney: wrt. https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-openoffice, there's a WI for "check status of OpenOffice.org translations: [13:05] ccheney: is that still actually relevant? [13:10] didrocks: is the remaining task on https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-quickly still relevant? [13:11] didrocks: also, would you mind having a look at https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-lucid-quickly-templates and either dropping the WIs there or moving them to a maverick spec? [13:14] what's the way to get a bugfix release uploaded, now that we're in freeze? waiting for a SRU after Lucid is out? [13:14] (that's for system-tools-backends 2.10.0, fixing a few crashers and bad bugs) [13:20] chrisccoulson_, asac: bug 443147 is marked for final, is that still realistic? or should we move to SRU? [13:20] Launchpad bug 443147 in firefox "Firefox on ARM inappropriately adds scroll bars to many frames and images" [High,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/443147 [13:22] pitti - there is a workaround already in bzr, but i wasn't planning to do another upload before the 3.6.4 release in May (the lucid branch is already tracking the 3.6.4 update) [13:22] i don't know if asac wants to upload that before final though [13:22] chrisccoulson_: ok, let's wait for him to answer then; thanks! [13:23] pitti: sorry, was eating :) All my WI are finished. I'll put rick's ones to DROP [13:24] didrocks: were were also some from Shane? [13:25] pitti: right, updating the status for him too [13:25] DROPPED is valid, right? === pedro__ is now known as pedro_ [13:34] didrocks: thanks; yes, DROPPED is the new preferred status name for "dropped, not moved" [13:35] ok, thanks :) [13:36] Riddell: would you mind updating https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/ReleaseStatus for Kubuntu? Thanks! [13:38] pitti: will do === al-maisan is now known as almaisan-away [13:42] chrisccoulson_: i asked you to upload a cherry-pick [13:43] just wasnt sure something else should be there [13:43] please go ahead [13:43] asac - ok, i can do that. the only issue is though that the lucid branch is already updated to 3.6.4 [13:44] chrisccoulson_: right thtas why cherry-pick [13:44] branch last upload [13:44] cherry pick my commit [13:44] release [13:44] merge that branch into the .head again [13:51] asac - ok, i will do that this afternoon. did you see my other question in #ubuntu-mozillateam earlier? i have a fix for the hardy dailies to push, and wasn't sure if i have to start a new version number in the changelog now (i assume that the answer is yes) [13:56] chrisccoulson_: where would you commit that to? [13:56] to .head? or do we have stable branches? [13:57] asac - to .head for now. the only stable branch for 3.6 currently is lucid [13:57] (and that would fix the dailies wouldn't it?) [13:59] chrisccoulson_: yes. the top most commit is stil UNRELEASED? then just commit there [13:59] chrisccoulson_: just dont include it in the cherry pick release for the armel issue [13:59] chrisccoulson_: i think we should get the armel fix up asap ... btw. otherwise slangasek will be really unhappy [14:00] asac - that was the issue. the last commit changed it from UNRELEASED to lucid, and i wasn't sure if that was intentional or not (and if i need to start a new version number to push my commit) [14:01] chrisccoulson_: i did that? [14:01] wow [14:01] asac - you did ;) [14:01] thats a bug ... just flip back to UNRELEASED on next commit ;) [14:02] i didnt do a release commit i hope ;) [14:02] asac - i was thinking about that, then i remembered what you said about the dailies breaking ;) [14:02] no thats fine [14:02] so i wasn't sure if i'd break them [14:02] just UNRELEASED ... all should be ok [14:02] ok, i'll flip it back to UNRELEASED then [14:02] thanks [14:02] great [14:06] pitti, can you think of anything in a gnome session that might be preventing my laptop from suspending? [14:06] i can suspend from gdm, and from logged into kde [14:06] but not logged into gnome [14:06] does it lock screen? [14:06] and tested with a new user and with a reinstall [14:06] lock screen works.. [14:06] the symptom is this [14:07] gnome-session has a concept of "inhibiting suspend", yes [14:07] it turns on the blinking sleep light [14:07] chrisccoulson_: ^ I think you know much more about thsi [14:07] and everything appears to go to sleep [14:07] but the display goes black but doesn't really turn off [14:07] and it never goes to a full sleep [14:07] kenvandine: do you get any error in /var/log/pm-suspend.log? [14:07] the pm-suspend.log makes it look like sleep completed [14:07] hmmm, if something is inhibiting suspend, then gnome-session will show a dialog [14:07] a while back apw spent hours on this thing trying to figure it out [14:08] (and indicator-session bypasses the gnome-session mechanism anyway) [14:08] but at the time we didn't realize suspend worked outside of gnome [14:08] kenvandine: does "sudo pm-suspend" within a gnome terminal work? [14:08] nope [14:08] same thing [14:08] it is very strange [14:08] ah, then it's not gnome [14:08] yeah [14:08] kenvandine: try something like [14:08] i read some stuff that made it sound like network-manager might not be able to release the interfaces [14:09] sudo PM_DEBUG=true pm-suspend 2>&1 | tee /tmp/out [14:09] but i removed the modules and all [14:09] ok [14:09] brb [14:09] * kenvandine thinks it is really weird that it works in kde and gdm [14:09] brb [14:14] damn /tmp cleaning :) [14:14] * kenvandine tries again [14:16] kenvandine: good work on making gwibber less crashy [14:17] didrocks: reminding you about bug 111939 now that we're post RC [14:17] Launchpad bug 111939 in metacity "Not possible to alt-tab during a drag-and-drop operation" [Unknown,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/111939 [14:17] nigelbabu: yeah, I read it again yesterday and think we should wait for maverick. Compiz is the main wm in any case and there is the same issue [14:18] didrocks: sure, no problem. [14:18] nigelbabu: thanks for the notice :) [14:18] In the meantime, I'll try to get it into metacity trunk [14:19] nigelbabu: yeah, that would be awesome :) [14:19] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/421032/ [14:19] pitti, chrisccoulson_: ^^ [14:20] one thing to note, running pm-suspend myself the screen never clears, i can still see everything [14:21] kenvandine: that's expected [14:21] but suspend from the session menu does clear the screen [14:21] ok [14:21] hm, that looks weird [14:21] (way too short, and it doesn't do any action) [14:22] there is much more in /var/log/pm-suspend.log [14:22] ah, right [14:22] * kenvandine pastes [14:22] please put that somewhere [14:22] the >& logging probably stopped at the exec [14:25] asac - ok, firefox is uploaded now [14:25] http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/421034/ [14:26] there might be more than one suspend in there [14:27] this behavior started in karmic right before the sprint in dublin [14:27] so been quite a while :) [14:27] we had chalked it up to bios or hardware... [14:28] but now that i know it works outside of gnome... i am determined to get suspend working again! [14:30] good morning rickspencer3 [14:30] hi kenvandine [14:32] hey rickspencer3 [14:32] hi pitti [14:33] pitti, this sure is verbose... but i am not seeing anything that looks like it failed [14:35] hey rickspencer3 [14:35] asac, chrisccoulson_: that's the weirdest bug I've ever seen -- different optimize flags cause *scroll bars* to appear?? [14:35] hello rickspencer3 [14:36] hi seb128 [14:36] rickspencer3: not on #quickly? ;) just to tell you that I'm planning to release Quickly 0.4.1. No last-minute thing to put into the trunk for you? [14:37] hi didrocks, I just joined [14:37] I don't have as many channels autojoin on my netbook [14:37] I would thought #quickly was #1 for you (kidding) ;) [14:38] pitti - yeah, that is pretty weird indeed [14:38] chrisccoulson_: this makes me a bit nervous about breaking other stuff, though [14:39] I mean ffox has never been tested with a global -O2 on any platform, has it? [14:39] pitti - i think asac has tested that though (i haven't, as i don't have the hardware available) [14:39] it's also only -O2 on armel [14:40] right, it's a no-op on !armel, but I'm still worried :) [14:45] pitti, did I get the rolled back glx when I did a dist-upgrade last night? [14:45] rickspencer3: it's not accepted yet; the currently pending upload has an extra bug fix which I'm not sure about; I pinged bryceh about it [14:46] ok [14:46] hmmm [14:46] I thought bryceh said he was going to do a clean upload of just the rollback [14:46] oh well [14:48] pitti, we often see such issues in armel ... different optimization often exposes toolchain issues [14:56] pitti, chrisccoulson_: any ideas from that log? [14:57] kenvandine: (will have a look later on) [14:57] looks to me like everything worked, at least from the log [14:57] pitti, ok [14:58] kenvandine: yes, it goes all the way to echo mem > /sys/power/state [14:59] kenvandine: if you do echo mem | sudo tee /sys/power/state, does it suspend? [14:59] that's the bare-metal suspend command, straight to the kernel [14:59] i'll try... i assume it does since it works from kde and gdm [14:59] kenvandine: you can do sudo dmesg -c, then that command, and afterwards check with dmesg if there's any error from the kernel [14:59] ok [15:00] kenvandine: well, it's apparently what pm-suspend tries as well [15:01] james_w: I'll need some help with a bzr merge if you're around [15:01] chrisccoulson_: pitti: i had a test build with that change in a native ppa [15:02] it was based on ffox 3.6.4 prerelease though ... so we cant just copy it [15:02] chrisccoulson_: pitti: if it feels better we can prepare the release in native ppa and copy over once everything is built ;) [15:02] that would reduce the risk of bustage due to build failures etc. [15:02] asac: no, that's fine (accepted) [15:02] didrocks: mais oui [15:02] pitti: thanks. [15:02] asac: I was just concerned about -O2 breaking ffox on armel [15:03] james_w: :) so, I'm trying to merge lp:~quickly/quickly/quickly-po in lp:quickly [15:03] didrocks: the former is a rosetta export branch? [15:04] james_w: exactly, and the previous export branch didn't have a data/templates/ubuntu-application/help/po (creating in lp:quickly), and so, created itself the directory [15:04] james_w: which results in data/templates/ubuntu-application and data/templates/ubuntu-application.moved directory [15:04] erk [15:04] double erk [15:04] or not [15:05] what did you change in lp:quickly? [15:05] did that add data/templates/ubuntu-application, is that unversioned in your local copy, or has it been there since before lp:~quickly/quickly/quickly-po branched? [15:05] james_w: I've added a po template for tutorials, hence the directory creation [15:06] james_w: data/templates/ubuntu-application should have been there even before the creation of the export branch, let me check [15:06] ah, ok, so you added it after branching? [15:06] james_w: no, but it was data/templates/ubuntu-project which moved to data/templates/ubuntu-application [15:06] (with bzr mv) [15:07] ah, ok [15:07] james_w: but as LP po export added it manually… [15:07] that's a legitimate conflict then [15:07] it created it in the export branch [15:07] right [15:07] I'm not surprised by the conflict, but how to resolve it properly :) [15:07] I was thinking doing that: [15:07] right :-) [15:08] bzr mv data/templates/ubuntu-application/help/po/* data/templates/ubuntu-application.moved/help/po [15:08] then, rm -rf data/templates/ubuntu-application [15:08] and mv data/templates/ubuntu-application.moved data/templates/ubuntu-application [15:08] but then, bzr st told me that I removed all commands in ubuntu-application and that I've unknown file corresponding to every files in ubuntu-application [15:08] right, after bzr mkdir -p data/templates/ubuntu-application.moved/help/po [15:09] so, I guess, I have ubuntu-application with the id of the export po branch (the one created recently) :) [15:09] try bzr mv --after data/templates/ubuntu-application.moved data/templates/ubuntu-application [15:09] oh, --after? [15:09] "I've already moved it on disk, just mark it as moved in bzr st" [15:09] ok, let me try that :) [15:12] james_w: you rock! ;) [15:12] pitti, that doesn't work either... apparently this is some sign that i should switch to kde :-D [15:12] didrocks: sweet [15:12] kenvandine: what does dmesg say? [15:12] james_w: thanks a lot :) [15:12] nothing.. [15:12] it logs nothing on the way down [15:12] strange [15:12] didrocks: np [15:13] it immediate stops [15:13] immediately [15:13] pitti, there must be some device or something that is keeping it from going down... something that is tweaked by logging into gnome [15:13] i tried switching to metacity, etc [15:13] turned off bluetooth and all [15:14] sudo stop network-manager, too? [15:14] yeah [15:14] kenvandine: sudo killall udisks-daemon upowerd ? [15:14] didn't do that [15:14] * kenvandine tries [15:29] sigh... [15:30] pitti, nope, that didn't help [15:30] very puzzling... [15:30] kenvandine: hey I can consistently crash the xchat m-i plugin [15:30] jcastro, steps to repro? [15:30] when someone messages you, click on the envelope and then on their name [15:30] can't repro it reliably [15:30] then xchat disappears [15:31] qense: you said you were seeing this too? [15:31] it has happened to me a couple times [15:31] but very rare [15:31] jcastro, file a bug please [15:31] jcastro: please ping me and I can test it! [15:32] kenvandine: file a bug on which component? [15:32] xchat-indicator [15:32] jcastro, highlight me again [15:33] kenvandine: hi2u [15:33] ok, worked... i hadn't tested since i reinstalled lucid last night [15:33] get the bug filed and i will look at the crash report [15:33] I have stopped using the XChat indicator because it used to crash, but I haven't tested it a long time. [15:33] XChat GNOME, to be precise. [15:34] qense, that is what i am using too [15:34] irssi ftw [15:34] jcastro, you using xchat or xchat-gnome? [15:34] -gnome [15:34] ok [15:34] same here [15:34] irssi + messaging indicator would be really cool [15:34] does the messaging indicator have perl bindings? [15:34] nope [15:34] hyperair: I know dude, especially if we could pipe it through ssh so I can run my screen remote ... [15:34] Messaging indicator integration for irssi in byobu! [15:34] qense: YES [15:34] jcastro: absolutely! [15:35] That would be fun: porting the whole indicator-* stack to screen... [15:35] pitti: i think david wants to talk about that in the session, i didn't add it myself [15:35] pitti: oh nm i see lucid, no thats not relevant for lucid [15:35] kenvandine: apport didn't fire off or anything, is there anything I should look for for the report? [15:35] kenvandine, https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xchat-gnome/+bug/565061 [15:35] Error: Could not parse data returned by Ubuntu: list index out of range (https://launchpad.net/bugs/565061) [15:36] jcastro: Apport was disabled by a recent update, did you renable it? [15:36] kenvandine, dang it. my crash report was private [15:36] fixed now [15:36] failed retrace [15:36] jcastro, does that look like your xchat crash? [15:36] yes [15:36] it does [15:37] * kenvandine wonders why that didn't show up in the "me" folder in evo... damn procmailrc ... [15:37] anyway, may as well reuse that report rather than create a new one [15:37] rickspencer3, can you repro that reliably too? [15:37] yeah [15:37] kenvandine, no [15:37] kenvandine: it doesn't happen every time [15:37] it's just intermitten enough that I keep using it [15:37] right [15:38] kenvandine: ok so I should turn on apport and if it happens again put it in this report? [15:38] jcastro, it is probably the same as what rickspencer3 reported [15:38] yeah I am just wondering if more info is better. apport is a black box to me. [15:39] jcastro, perhaps [15:47] pitti, fyi, for release meeting, edubuntu logo was done and sent a while ago, not sure when exactly [15:47] * rickspencer3 saw it as an open action on the email [15:47] rickspencer3: right, it's already in the upload queue [15:47] :) [15:48] thanks for the heads-up [15:48] pitti, the meeting is at 17h local right? [15:48] seb128: right [15:48] ok [15:48] seb128: oh, do you want to be the desktop representative today? :-) [15:48] * seb128 grabs the laptop and will seat outside in the sun a bit to read email and join the meeting [15:48] pitti, I didn't prepare but I will watch [15:48] (our plate is pretty clean, should be easy for us) [15:49] seb128: that's fine; I updated the ReleaseStatus page [15:51] seb128, rickspencer3: I have to leave after the meeting; in case bryceh wakes up later, would you mind discussing his current upload with him? there's an extra bug fix which I'm not sure about, thus I didn't accept it yet [15:51] so if he's 100% confident in this, it's fine to accept [15:51] pitti, will do [15:51] but it might not have been intended, since the upload encompasses two changelog records [15:51] pitti, ok [15:51] cheers [15:51] I'm a bit concerned as well, as he said he wanted to do quite the opposite (have a clean upload for glx issue) [15:51] I'm invited at my parent's for dinner, since I'll be away for the next 3 weeks [15:52] "concerned" might be a tad strong [15:52] pitti, enjoy [15:52] rickspencer3: right, which made me consider that it was an accident [15:52] pitti, you need a netbook to take with you to dinner [15:52] pitti, I'm in my parents' garden right now with the laptop, splendid weather [15:52] just put it next to your plate [15:52] rickspencer3: it's already stowed away in my luggage :) [15:52] with headphones and mic it will be like your parents aren't even there, perfect [15:52] * pitti has the mobile with him, of course :) [15:52] lol [15:53] :) [15:54] pitti, just confirmed... the exact same suspend problem on my wife's laptop [15:54] but my netbook suspends fine [15:54] seb128: hmm , i may have missed your reply earlier [had to reboot].. when would be a right time to request the Humanity update for [KDE problem] ? [15:54] her hardware is completely different [15:55] intel white box laptop [15:55] vish, next cycle? [15:55] kenvandine: curious [15:55] i have a thinkpad [15:55] different video and network [15:55] kenvandine: is that a regression from the glx rollback? [15:55] vish, I'm not the one to talk to to get an exception now [15:55] no [15:55] vish, try talking to pitti or slangasek [15:55] this has been a problem for me since early in the karmic cycle, even after several reinstalls [15:55] vish: "request"? [15:55] ah , ok.. :) [15:55] for her suspend was fine until i installed lucid [15:56] kenvandine, did it work if you turn off the social from the start cracks? [15:56] and actually... it is a regression for her in lucid [15:56] pitti: Bug #566996 [15:56] Launchpad bug 566996 in humanity-icon-theme "Humanity in KDE does not display volume icons." [Low,Fix committed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/566996 [15:56] at first it did suspend, but wouldn't resume [15:56] just trying to figure what you might set up and other people not [15:56] nvidia bug [15:56] but since that was fixed, it doesn't suspend completely just like mine [15:56] pitti: the volume icon is not displayed in KDE :s , it was a hack i had done so that the icon isnt blurry in gtk widgets , ut it turns out to be a problem in kubuntu [15:56] seb128, it doesn't work for a new user... which doesn't have gwibber running [15:57] vish: if it's an 100% risk free and small fix, please get it uploaded for lucid, we are revieing the queue very often [15:57] vish: if not, -> SRU [15:57] vish, did you fix it in a way which doesn't create the gtk issue again [15:57] ? [15:57] yup , no problems now [15:57] seb128, did you read back to where suspend works in gdm and in kde? [15:57] neither for kde or gtk [15:58] but not from a logged in gnome session [15:58] seb128, any guesses? [15:58] kenvandine, yes I read that and no, no guess, I would try starting a failsafe GNOME and try there [15:58] i did [15:58] fails too [15:58] or turn off everything in the session and add things back [15:59] weird [15:59] i did that too [15:59] did you try to start a non gnome session [15:59] unchecked everything in the startup [15:59] and start gnome-panel etc there? [15:59] no... let me try that [15:59] pitti: the fix is small and uploaded and ready in lp:~ubuntu-art-pkg/humanity/release [15:59] * kenvandine tries with something lighter than kde [15:59] :) [16:05] pitti: i need to subscribe the release team or the Main sponsors to the bug? [16:05] vish: sponsors primarily [16:06] neat thanks.. [16:14] I need help figuring out where to search for or report a vaguely desktoppish bug: On Lucid, the tickmarks in on/off context menu items appear white-on-light-grey, and so pretty much invisible. [16:16] seb128, i can suspend from a full gnome-session if i start it without gdm [16:16] it seems to be related to logging in via gdm [16:16]