[01:27] <Jordan_U> There is a person whose nick is "rm-f`whoami`" in #ubuntu
[01:31]  * MrPoopyPants tearfully begs for his ban to be removed in the offtopic channel
[01:40] <persia> MrPoopyPants: I'm not an op in that channel, and can't look at why you are banned, but I suspect your nick may have influenced the decision.
[01:42] <MrPoopyPants> :(
[01:48] <nhandler> @login
[01:51] <nhandler> MenZa: You around?
[01:55] <nhandler> MrPoopyPants: Why do you want to go back in -offtopic? It seems that while you were there, you spent your time insulting the OPs and the policies
[01:56] <MrPoopyPants> because I lubs it there
[02:03] <nhandler> MrPoopyPants: If you were to /msg ubottu !guidelines
[02:04] <nhandler> err... MrPoopyPants: Have you read our IRC guidelines?
[02:05] <nhandler> MrPoopyPants: And if you were to be unbanned, would you abide by our rules (regardless of whether or not you agree with them) as well as listen to our OPs ?
[02:05] <MrPoopyPants> nhandler, sure I would!
[02:07] <nhandler> MrPoopyPants: Do you realize what you did wrong in the first place to get banned?
[02:08] <MrPoopyPants> nhandler, I don't remember it, but my guess was it was for being a smart ass.
[02:10] <nhandler> MrPoopyPants: If you were in my shoes, would you unban yourself? Why?
[02:11] <MrPoopyPants> if I were in your shoes I would unban just for the sake of unbanning someone.
[02:12] <nhandler> MrPoopyPants: That really isn't a great reason. Our object is to keep the channels running smoothly. If users prevent this from happening by breaking the rules and not listening, bans are sometimes necessary
[02:13] <MrPoopyPants> well, I wont break the rules or not listen, but im not a great debater.
[02:14] <nhandler> Well, I am not an -offtopic OP, so I cannot unban you. You will have to wait until one shows up.
[02:14] <MrPoopyPants> Oh wells.
[02:15] <genii> @login
[02:17] <genii> Hm
[02:18] <Pici> hmmm?
[02:18] <genii> Pici: Was going to look in on our pooy-panted ban but they departed
[02:23] <genii> Hm. why were multiple logins from same indonesian IP not flagged? ( lrc03 lrc04    etc)
[02:23] <Pici> flagged for what?
[02:24] <Pici> If you mean the multiple users from one ip message, I think that gets triggered at more than 3 or 4 clones.
[02:25] <genii> Pici: Ah, OK
[02:27] <IdleOne> should I install 64bit or 32bit?
[02:27] <IdleOne> any reason why I would chose 64?
[02:27] <IdleOne> major advantages ? I have 4gig of ram
[02:27] <IdleOne> this isn't #ubuntu!
[02:27] <IdleOne> lol
[02:28] <genii> More coffee!
[02:28]  * IdleOne has a soda but not strong enough it seems
[03:02]  * tonyyarusso upped himself to 8 gigs of RAM <3
[03:16] <MTecknology> Anyone wanna chat with maple1 in -offtopic?
[03:16] <h00k> MTecknology: I'm there, also funkyHat
[03:17] <MTecknology> h00k: I forgot you guys were ops in there
[03:17] <h00k> MTecknology: :) no problem, but thank you
[03:23] <funkyHat> [! ]ops isn't working properly as a hilight in irssi ⢁(
[03:23] <funkyHat> Eventually I will get it working right!!!
[03:23] <funkyHat> And stop complaining
[03:24] <maple1> windows 7 for life!
[03:25] <funkyHat> Eventually windows 7 will be old and outdated
[03:28] <persia> Never!  Improvements in scheduled online updates will allow continued enablement of every possible feature, including safely bridging the 2038 line.
[03:29] <h00k> maple1: If you do not have a reason to be here, please part.
[03:29] <Seeker`> maple1: how can I help you?
[03:34] <Seeker`> maple1: How can I help you?
[03:34] <MTecknology> Seeker`: ban evasion in offtopic
[03:36] <funkyHat> There wasn't a ban
[03:36] <h00k> funkyHat: there was.
[03:36] <funkyHat> Oh. Silly me
[03:39] <Seeker`> maple1: you aren't being unbanned for at least 48 hours. Please come back then if you wish to discuss this.
[03:41] <Seeker`> maple1: Please don't idle in here
[03:54] <persia> Any #ubuntu-server ops about?  swearing in response to an !ohmy there, which irritates me.
[03:55] <persia> Ah, left.  Nevermind.
[03:57] <Pici> MTecknology: is there anything else we can help you with?
[03:58] <MTecknology> Pici: nope, spaced on being in here
[04:00] <h00k> Yeah, I was going to do that and then realized I couldn't op in here
[04:00] <Pici> Just poke someone if you think that someone needs to be removed
[04:01] <h00k> sounds alright to me
[04:14] <nhandler> Yep. I'm usually around at this time, so just hilight me to get my attention
[04:14] <nhandler> (or any other people with +o in here)
[04:27] <h00k> Sounds good
[04:32] <IdleOne> I need to learn the remove command
[04:33] <nhandler> IdleOne: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/nhandler/OperatorGuide#Removing Users
[04:35] <IdleOne> but I need to be oped to use /quote remove correct?
[04:36] <nhandler> IdleOne: Yep
[04:37] <Amaranth> IdleOne: You need a script
[04:38] <Amaranth> chanserv.py for xchat, autobleh or some such thing for irssi
[04:38] <IdleOne> I got chanserv.py
[04:38] <Amaranth> IdleOne: In that case it's just /cs k user reason
[04:38] <Amaranth> IdleOne: it'll op you, remove them, then deop
[04:38] <Amaranth> you can leave the reason off
[04:39] <IdleOne> /cs k kicks or removes?
[04:48] <bazhang> yep
[04:48] <bazhang> and the m option is = quiet
[04:49] <Flannel> it stands for MMmmmmm, quit.
[04:49] <Flannel> quiet, even.
[04:49] <bazhang> wish I knew how to do the time expiring quiet though
[04:50] <Flannel> the e is silent, in solidarity
[05:51] <h00k> genii: do you think that is enough for a removal?
[05:52] <genii> h00k: ?
[05:52] <h00k> genii: oh, just ryan_ in #ubuntu again
[05:52] <genii> Ah lemme look
[05:53] <bazhang> yep
[05:53] <bazhang> first comment was 'your mom is solaris'
[05:53] <genii> heh
[05:53] <persia> Has he gotten any help in #ubuntu?  Nobody in #ubuntu-powerpc knew the answer, and in #ubuntu-ports, I only redirected him back to #ubuntu-powerpc
[05:54] <h00k> It doesn't appear so
[05:54] <persia> Oh well.  I imagine he's getting bored and frustrated and irritating then :(
[05:54] <h00k> but I warned him to keep it appropriate and within the guidelines
[05:54] <genii> persia: He's using a dist + arch no one can assist with
[05:55] <h00k> I understand, but still
[05:55] <bazhang> 8 bit color? wonder if he is being genuine
[05:55] <persia> 9.04/powerpc, right?
[05:56] <persia> I think he just needs to be told the name of a tool that lets him fiddle bit depth like xrandr fiddles resolution.  Anything beyond that probably falls into bug territory.
[05:57] <genii> Hm
[06:08] <h00k> and I need sleep. Peace, all.
[07:06] <Flannel> Do we have a plan for when to open up -release-party? (I think its too soon, but I imagine we'll start getting queries this weekend)
[07:08] <elky> 72-48hrs beforehand is usually what we tell people
[07:08] <persia> It seems to usually open about the time the first candidates get posted for release testing (typically "Tuesday" for some timezone or other)
[08:11] <dholbach> good morning
[10:15] <eviljussi01> !search locked
[10:15] <eviljussi01> !aptlock
[11:10] <jussi01> anyone about?
[11:10] <bazhang> yep
[11:10] <jussi01> bazhang: you on lucid?
[11:10] <bazhang> jussi01, not yet
[11:11] <jussi01> ok, I think Ill have to go ask in #ubuntu+1. Seems empathy hasnt been updated to use port 8000 for irc, and it doesnt default to freenode....
[11:12] <jussi01> just wanted someone to check that its isnt just me.
[11:12] <jussi01> and yes... its true... Im trying out *cough* gnome *cough*
[11:13] <bazhang> hah, I'm switching to kde4 for lucid
[11:13] <persia> +1 is the right place.  Probably needs a bug.
[11:13] <persia> quassel works fine on GNOME anyway.
[11:14] <jussi01> yes, it does. Im on it :)
[11:14] <jussi01> need to make some changes to my dark theme though
[11:38] <Tm_T> brrrrh
[12:33] <ikonia> ok - I think we need to note that alabd is actually using backtrack linux not ubuntu
[12:34] <IdleOne> noted
[12:42]  * gnomefreak never heard of backtrack
[12:43] <gnomefreak> there is a crunchbag too?
[12:44] <gnomefreak> s/crunchbag/crunchbang
[12:44] <IdleOne> there is
[12:44] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: #backtrack-linux and #crunchbang
[12:45] <IdleOne> just so you know :)
[12:48] <gnomefreak> IdleOne: thanks
[12:48] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: yup, don't ask what the differences are. I don't know or care anymore heh
[12:49] <gnomefreak> :)
[12:49] <IdleOne> as far as I can tell there are 3 distros, .deb based, .rpm based and .icompileeverythingcuzi1337 based
[12:52] <elky> oh gosh, is backtrack still around?
[12:52] <ikonia> going well
[12:52] <gnomefreak> i guess its old
[12:52] <ikonia> for security stuff
[12:52] <ikonia> no, it's solid
[12:52] <ikonia> aimed at security, based on 8.04
[12:53] <gnomefreak> oh
[12:53] <ikonia> next release will be based around 10.04, they only do LTS versions so they can have stable tool sets, it's a worth while spin off, the focus is very much on security testing
[12:53] <elky> similar to how gnewsense does, then. which is fair enough for a small dev team
[12:54] <persia> Too hard to merge every six months, unless one makes almost no changes.
[12:54] <IdleOne> ikonia: they have poor attitude in the irc channel and rtfm is a common type of answer
[12:54] <persia> That said, I always have to wonder why these folks don't try to be flavours.
[12:55] <elky> persia, nubuntu kind of tried.
[12:55] <ikonia> IdleOne: it's not actually that poor, they make it clear it's a professional security distro for security professionals, if you have to ask how to use "ls" then you shouldn't be using it, they make no excuses for it
[12:55] <ikonia> hence why panarchy got banned from the channel and forum within 5 days :)
[12:55] <IdleOne> ikonia: point taken
[12:56] <persia> Several have tried.  Some have succeeded.  ichthux, sabily, lubuntu, and liquid are the 4 I know that seem to be currently on-track.
[12:56] <elky> ikonia, it took them 5 days because... they were not paying attention?
[12:57] <ikonia> IdleOne: it may be harsh to new users, but they do make it clear well up front this is not a learning distro, it's a professional tool, for professionals
[12:57] <ikonia> elky: they gave him a chance
[12:57] <elky> IdleOne, not everyone has a duty to worship the ground newbies walk on like we kind of do.
[12:58] <IdleOne> few days back we had a backtrack user in #ubuntu, clearly a newbie to linux and we helped him find his way to backtrack channel. I felt really bad for the person because I knew he was going to get eaten alive :/
[12:59] <IdleOne> hopefully they didn't and suggested he use Ubuntu to learn
[12:59] <gnomefreak> if it is built off Ubuntu it should be simular to fix/whatever...
[12:59] <elky> gnomefreak, sure, but we have to draw a line somewhere
[13:00] <gnomefreak> elky: true
[13:00] <IdleOne> gnomefreak: yeah but like elky said they don't have to support noobs and we don't have to support them
[13:00] <elky> we can't draw the line at "people who need to be told fifteen times how to ls", so we have to draw a line at "people who use mutated ubuntus"
[13:00] <gnomefreak> that is true but something like that leaves noobs out of luck
[13:01] <elky> The closest thing I can suggest is the user's nearest LUG channel, or, i hate to say it, ##linux
[13:01] <IdleOne> there should be a "What distro should you use test"
[13:01] <persia> Nah.  It would always have the same answer.
[13:01] <persia> And then someone would claim it was rigged.
[13:01] <IdleOne> and based of some skill questions suggest the top three distros
[13:02] <elky> IdleOne, then you get the dunning-kruger effect kick in though.
[13:02] <IdleOne> dunning-kruger?
[13:02] <elky> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning–Kruger_effect
[13:02] <Pici> I probably shouldn't say this in a logged channel, but if you don't mention that you're using strange-ubuntu-variant then we probably won't know, unless something seems really weird.
[13:02] <IdleOne> Pici: that is true
[13:02] <ikonia> gnomefreak: why would a "noob" need a professional security tool ?
[13:02] <ikonia> gnomefreak: in that situation they should be using ubuntu to learn where support is aimed at them
[13:03] <Pici> That said, I had *another* discussion with that fellow about YMFLOS yesterday.  Ended up having to kick him from #ubuntu
[13:03] <ikonia> Pici: tons of little tell tale signs though
[13:03] <Pici> I noted it on the bt
[13:04] <elky> There needs to be a generic support channel full of people who don't care what you use. The problem is finding that channel.
[13:04] <IdleOne> Pici: xplinux kept getting shunted back and forth from #ubuntu to ##linux :/
[13:04] <gnomefreak> ikonia: true but people listen to thier friends and they dont have a clue
[13:04] <Pici> elky: I thought that was ##linux
[13:04] <ikonia> gnomefreak: then we give them a clue
[13:04] <gnomefreak> :)
[13:04] <elky> Pici, sure, but ##linux also has a heap of assholes in there too
[13:05] <Pici> elky: yep
[13:05] <IdleOne> +1
[13:05] <IdleOne> reason why I don't idle in there
[13:05] <elky> and it's that portion of the channel that a good generic support channel would lack
[13:05] <elky> as with a lot of things quality, it's what you leave out that makes it.
[13:06] <elky> so hence, ##linux *is* the best we've got for the catchall.
[13:06] <IdleOne> elky: Dunning-kruger effect I do not suffer from it as I am perfect :)
[13:06] <gnomefreak> the few times i have been in ##linux thier were not very helpful to users but i was only in there for a friend
[13:06] <elky> It's just really not the best it could be.
[14:31]  * Pici watches reading comprehension dwindle
[14:31] <ikonia> hmmmm
[14:33] <ikonia> ok - wise_crypt is getting annoying
[14:39] <Pici> Sometimes I think that people just completely ignore what I'm saying.
[14:40] <ikonia> they do
[14:40] <ikonia> ( I could have said "what" then )
[14:41] <persia> ikonia: ECONTEXT?
[14:52] <Pici> !nickspam > Guest10172
[14:59] <niko> ph8 seems to have client issue
[15:04] <niko> in #ubuntu at least
[15:05] <h00k> niko: I was just going to bring that up, yeah.
[15:06] <niko> perhaps a forward to ##fix_your_connection ?
[15:06] <Pici> You can forward them to ##fix_your_connection
[15:06] <Pici> And send them a pm saying that you've done that and to join -ops when their connection issues are resolved.
[15:07] <h00k> and how wouldI go about doing this?
[15:07] <marienz> he's pretty hard to pm because he's flooding off almost immediately after connecting.
[15:07] <marienz> a memo is easier.
[15:07] <Tm_T> fax
[15:07] <niko> h00k: /mode +b *!*@ip$##fix_your_connection
[15:07]  * h00k writes a letter
[15:07] <h00k> alrighty
[15:08] <marienz> and for the memo see /msg memoserv help send
[15:08] <niko> and he seems to have an account, so /msg memoserv help send
[15:08] <Tm_T> also you can use a memoserv
[15:08]  * Tm_T hides
[15:11] <h00k> and done!
[15:11] <h00k> cool.
[15:11] <Pici> yay
[15:11]  * Pici gives h00k a cookie
[15:20] <h00k> oh really
[15:51] <Pici> Its amazing how many people think that they don't need to install an OS inside of vbox for it to work.
[15:52] <topyli> Pici, it might be the same group of people who complain about wine not working when they run it
[15:53] <Tm_T> ...are they the same group that announce to make whole OS written in python?
[15:53]  * persia mumbles about ways to make virtualisation work without an OS being available and complicated
[16:11] <Daviey> persia: You are thining visualisation rather than  virtualisation
[17:02] <ph8> hi h00k, around?
[17:03] <Pici> ph8: If this is regarding your connection issues, I can remove that forward for you.
[17:04] <ph8> please do, i don't suppose you know what happened? my bouncer is pretty stable usually
[17:04] <Pici> You were joining then excess flooding.
[17:05] <Pici> All set, you can join #ubuntu
[17:05] <ph8> ah i've seen that before, must be in the way it issues channel joins
[17:05] <ph8> i'll see if i can upgrade my version
[17:05] <ph8> thanks Pici, there were a few others :o
[17:05] <ph8> ##javascript, #html, #linuxhelp
[17:05] <ph8> and #ubuntu+1
[17:06] <Pici> ph8: I took care of #ubuntu+1 just now, you'll have to contact the operators of those other channels though.
[17:06] <Pici> /msg chanserv access #channel list    should give them to you, look for people who have +o
[17:07] <ph8> cheers Pici
[17:07] <Pici> :)
[17:42] <h00k> Pici: thanks
[17:42] <Pici> h00k: nop
[18:15] <genii> Troll alert, "vista" in #u
[18:15] <genii> nvm, they parted
[18:16]  * genii returns to working away from the computer
[18:29] <erUSUL> can someone just silently remove vista from #ubuntu ?
[18:29] <erUSUL> anyone*
[18:30]  * erUSUL does not want to call ops. vista can take that as victory
[18:30] <erUSUL> :)
[18:30] <ikonia> lets see
[19:03] <Tm_T> hi all
[19:03] <h00k> greetings.
[20:33] <genii> Hm. It occurs to me that the description in !wine is not actually quite right. Since it also runs on things like MacOS which is not GNU/Linux
[20:34] <Tm_T> or Ubuntu, which is not GNU
[20:34]  * Tm_T hides
[20:34] <genii> Yup
[20:37] <tsimpson> wine should work on anything POSIX
[20:38] <Pici> cygwin is partially posix compliant...
[20:38] <Tm_T> so also þe olde NT4 ?
[20:39] <tsimpson> so, theoretically, you probably could run wine in windows with cygwin...
[20:39] <jpds> ...
[20:40]  * Pici thinks about installing cygwin in wine
[20:40] <jpds> Can someone tell ubottu to stop stalking me?
[20:40] <knome> jpds, she has a crush on you.
[20:41] <maco> jpds: thats what you get for leading her on with all those flowers and chocolates!
[20:41] <maco> and botsnacks :P
[20:41] <jpds>  /ignore ubottu PRIVMSG
[20:42] <knome> jpds, you can't do that for a fine lady
[20:54] <Tm_T> ...
[20:55] <genii> Poor bot. Spurned by some and forwarded by others
[20:57] <jpds> AlcoGirl, hmm.
[21:03] <genii> Yes, I thought her part message was somewhat iffy
[21:20] <h00k> can someone tell genii to stop drinking all of the coffee? we're having an emergency outage here, and it's really difficult to do anything without. Gimme my lifeblood back. kthx.
[21:20] <Tm_T> hi llua
[21:20] <llua> hi
[21:24] <llua> was redirected here from ubuntu-offtopic
[21:46] <genii> llua: The parting message you had set is inappropriate.
[23:18] <jpds> Hmm.
[23:21]  * nhandler is talking to brah-
[23:23] <funkyHat> Not sure about the video that cassull just linked in -offtopic :/
[23:24] <funkyHat> Is a spoof anti-child porn video. The content is clean but the subject is a bit too touchy imo :/
[23:25] <Tm_T> llua: is there something we can help you with?
[23:46] <nhandler> A small suggestion, if you set a ban forward to ##fix_your_connection, please join that channel so you can remove the ban. These issues usually do not last long, and it would help us avoid having those enteries just sticking around on ban lists