[00:18]  * Obsidian1723 nighters
[01:10] <tonyyarusso> hey Takyoji, proofread http://files.tonyyarusso.com/docformatsres.pdf for me quick
[01:12] <Takyoji> alrighty
[01:15] <Takyoji> OpenOffice's spellcheck complains that "practiced" is misspelled and should be written as "practised"
[01:16] <Takyoji> Though I suppose the word is legitimate.
[01:16] <tonyyarusso> I think that's a US/UK thing.
[01:16] <Takyoji> Wouldn't you have to define some terms, such as "stable website"
[01:16] <Takyoji> I assume that's the case
[01:17] <sparklehistory> Yes, that's a US/UK spelling thing.
[01:17] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: That's just an example, not a definition, so no.
[01:18] <Takyoji> ahh
[01:18] <Takyoji> Which formats would you consider abide to the suggested guidelines?
[01:19] <tonyyarusso> OpenDocument, DocBook, PNG, SVG, plain text (ascii, utf-8), HTML, LaTeX, JPEG 2000, PDF, to name a few.
[01:21]  * tonyyarusso just realized that "the state of Minnesota" could be construed as not including various departments
[01:22] <tonyyarusso> documents and records produced by public institutions, departments, and offices in the state of Minnesota be required - better
[01:23] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: I think that'd be unlikely but your addendum is fine.  But now you *really* need to break up the first sentence - way too long and wordy.
[01:23] <Takyoji> How would it stand in regards of video codecs for example, considering Google releasing VP8 and so forth.
[01:23] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: So suggest an alternative.
[01:24] <tonyyarusso> Takyoji: Theora good.  H.whatever not (patents).  VP8 not sure - not familiar with it yet.
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: "The DFL Party urges that all documents and records produced by public institutions, departments, and offices in the state of Minnesota be required to be created, exchanged, maintained, stored, and preserved in open formats to allow and ensure full, free, and continuing access to public data."
[01:28] <tonyyarusso> sparklehistory: "(4)  implemented by multiple vendors, with at least one implementation being free;"
[01:29] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: "The DFL Party urges the enactment of a mandate requiring all documents and records produced by public institutions, departments, and offices of the state of Minnesota be created, exchanged, maintained, stored, and preserved in open formats with full, free implementations.  This mandate would allow and ensure full, free, and continuing access to public data.  The requirement would apply to all publicly-produced do
[01:29] <sparklehistory> cuments, including text, spreadsheets, and presentations, created after issuance of the relevant executive directive or passage of appropriate legislation."
[01:30] <sparklehistory> (5) doesn't make sense to me
[01:30] <tonyyarusso> Your "This mandate" sentence borders on a whereas clause, which can't be in the resolution body.
[01:31] <tonyyarusso> :P
[01:31] <tonyyarusso> also, too legalese.  blech.
[01:31] <tonyyarusso> (5) refers to how OASIS, ISO, IETF, etc. operate.
[01:31] <sparklehistory> okay...how about "implementation of a standard" instead of "enactment of a mandate"?
[01:32] <tonyyarusso> what's wrong with "be required"?
[01:32] <sparklehistory> tonyyarusso: I have no idea what OASIS, ISO... are or mean so I'll trust you on that.
[01:32] <tonyyarusso> standards bodies
[01:34] <sparklehistory> "be required to be" is just clumsy.  Plus, if you define it as a standard or mandate then you can refer to it concisely later which helps with breaking up the sentences and making the resolution more readable.
[01:34] <tonyyarusso> meh, now I think you're just going all law school on it.
[01:35] <tonyyarusso> New version uploaded.
[01:35] <sparklehistory> Well, it is sort of a legal document.  And my suggestions make it more readable.  If people get lost or can't make it through the first sentence, they're not likely to finish the document or support it.
[01:35] <tonyyarusso> No it's not.
[01:36] <tonyyarusso> and I don't think they do.
[01:37] <sparklehistory> okay, that's fine - you asked me to look at it, I'm just telling you what I think.
[01:37] <sparklehistory> I like version 2 better
[01:37] <sparklehistory> I don't think there's anything you need to change in version 2.
[01:38] <tonyyarusso> mmkay, I'll e-mail that.
[01:39] <sparklehistory> So what happens now with it?  Who/what do you e-mail it to?
[01:41] <tonyyarusso> People who are willing to walk around asking for signatures.  Kyle and Kevin.
[01:55] <Takyoji> Random reminder: Day Against DRM on May 4th.
[02:11] <kermit> Takyoji: woo!
[02:12] <kermit> Takyoji: 8 people attending!!
[02:12] <Takyoji> In case if anyone wants to put it in their forum signature anywhere or on their blog
[02:12] <kermit> er shorter link http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=110264405676145
[02:13] <kermit> lol 11 maybes
[02:13] <Takyoji> hah
[02:14] <Takyoji> 9 people attending now. :P
[02:17] <Takyoji> Oh noes, it seems some minor CSS or general aesthetic details on the EFF homepage is broked. :o
[02:18] <Takyoji> Egad, I believe they used repeated anchor tags rather than putting them in an unordered list!
[02:22] <Takyoji> Seems to be working now
[02:23] <kermit> my poor roomate wanted to show off his new Ipod Touch..  I'm like "closed technology, don't care, uncool."
[02:25] <tonyyarusso> hehe
[02:27] <Takyoji> How many have seen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PzUoWkbNLe8
[02:30]  * kermit facebooks that
[02:31] <kermit> lmao at "like stallman!"
[02:31] <kermit> it even sounded right
[02:31] <Takyoji> heh yea
[23:38]  * tonyyarusso is in Duluth