[00:00] <Amto_res> Adri2000: ping
[00:30] <debfx> ScottK: could you please try this kcm-touchpad debdiff: http://paste.ubuntu.com/421345/
[00:30] <debfx> it should disable the kcm instead of crashing
[00:31] <JontheEchidna> if that works, you're mine and every non-admin kubuntu user's hero :)
[00:32] <JontheEchidna> Hmm, we need to get Ark to use org.kubuntu.restrictedInstall to install unrar for maverick...
[00:32] <debfx> it doesn't actually fix the problem though
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> well, better than crashing it for everybody ;)
[00:33] <JontheEchidna> that's what I'm most worried about, since even visiting the keyboard and mouse module crashes the whole of System Settings
[00:37] <JontheEchidna> but, I think that there's no question that it needs replaced for 10.04
[00:38] <JontheEchidna> er, 10.10
[00:43] <debfx> synaptiks even has a bug tracker, that's certainly an improvement
[01:10]  * txwikinger has a feature request for konq or re-konq or whatever will be the KDE browser
[02:39] <ScottK> debfx: I have to release work to do first.  I
[02:39] <ScottK> I'll see if I can get to it tonight
[04:47] <ScottK> debfx: Looking into it now.  In the future, please use pastebins that don't require logins.
[04:51] <msv> Are testers still needed for upgrading Kubuntu from Karmic to Lucid?
[04:59] <ScottK> Yes, although at this point it's probably better to wait until Monday when we're officially testing the final stuff.
[05:00] <msv> Cool.  I have a launchpad account and am setting up a QA account.  I have a dual boot gutsy/karmic laptop
[05:00] <ScottK> debfx: No crash with the non-admin user (was just inactive) and still works with admin user, so I'd call it a win.
[05:00] <msv> so I would be upgrading just the karmic partition.
[05:01] <ScottK> Right, but I'm not the best person to ask for details.  I'm about to go pass out.
[05:01] <msv> Okay, I'll try again Monday.  Thanks =)
[06:33] <apachelogger> maco: plasmacon is written in the py... ;)
[06:47] <debfx> ScottK: does paste.ubuntu.com require to be logged in? :o
[07:47] <jussi> ScottK: they reversed the paste.ubuntu.com login thing a month or 2 ago...
[08:26] <apachelogger> well
[08:26] <apachelogger> lets hope rc1 doesnt fail me
[08:26] <apachelogger> otherwise Ill switch to gentoo
[08:26] <apachelogger> they have such nice people here
[08:26] <apachelogger> and explained me that compiling up to KDE will only take me like one weekend
[08:27] <valorie> hahaha
[08:27] <valorie> pretty much ALL of a weekend
[08:27] <valorie> and then open office.....
[08:44] <jussi> hahahahhhahahaha
[08:45] <apachelogger> valorie: except that I use unbloated software and hence would compile ko instead of ooo :P
[11:02] <Sput> apachelogger: pfff, on a modern machine, installing Gentoo including KDE shouldn't take more than half a day
[11:02] <Sput> and we do have a binary package for openoffice, valorie :P
[11:03] <Sput> (if you don't feel like waiting 4 hours on that)
[12:54] <JontheEchidna> dammit!
[12:54] <JontheEchidna> bug 534915
[12:54] <JontheEchidna> this is ridiculous
[12:55] <JontheEchidna> technically an upstream bug, though
[12:56] <JontheEchidna> but still, it pisses me off :(
[13:00] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: Ctech translations can cause very strange things sometimes...
[13:01] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: it's a matter of upstream handing us a busted tarball, the launchpad people using their magic powers to fix things, and then everything breaking again the next upload :(
[13:02] <Mamarok> did that fix get pushed upstream and talked about with tsdgeos?
[13:03] <Mamarok> else it will not get fixed by sheer magic upstream I would say
[13:03] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: it was fixed in kpackagekit 0.6.0, but that depends on an API/10n-unstable version of packagekit
[13:04] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: still, please talk to tsdgeos, he is coordinating the translations, he can help with that
[13:04] <Mamarok> just be very nice with him, he totally lacks any sort of humor
[13:05] <JontheEchidna> unfortunately it's a bit too late for kubuntu... the best we could probably do is delete the Czech translation and replace them with the uk ones again, so that it'll get fixed with the first post-release translations update
[13:07] <JontheEchidna> langpack deadline was 2 days ago :(
[13:14] <Mamarok> right, then deleting it is probably better
[13:16] <Mamarok> but please talk to tsdgeos upstream nonetheless, else it ends up again as a "bad Kubuntu" issue
[13:39] <JontheEchidna> Mamarok: would you happen to know if this is official, or just some guy packaging playround stuff? http://kde-apps.org/content/show.php/Phonon-MPlayer-Backend?content=123714
[13:40] <JontheEchidna> I'm tending towards somebody throwing tarballs of playground crap on kde-apps
[13:40] <Mamarok> not official AFAIK, that backend is not maintained since ages
[13:40] <Mamarok> JontheEchidna: but please ask sandsmark for confirmation in #phonon
[13:41] <JontheEchidna> kk
[13:41] <Mamarok> and since it is in playground anyway...
[13:41] <Mamarok> I have never seen somebody use that backend
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> well, you may soon, seeing as he's providing i386 binaries
[13:42] <Mamarok> it was promised ages ago, but that would be the very first changes I see in a long time
[13:42] <JontheEchidna> svn hasn't been touched in 8 months
[13:43] <Mamarok> well, it is stupid, because we are working hard on the vlc-backend, we better work on on really good backend instead of 4 crappy ones
[13:50]  * persia cheers on Colin Guthrie on his work in phonon backends
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> ^He also did the PulseAudio integration work for Phonon in general.
[13:51] <apachelogger> tallking about that
[13:51] <JontheEchidna> Too bad Phonon 4.4 was such a mess release-wise. (No blame to the phonon folk)
[13:51] <apachelogger> is ours still busted!
[13:51] <apachelogger> s/!/?
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> apachelogger: reports say, yes.
[13:52] <apachelogger> computer says no
[13:52] <apachelogger> :D
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> oh, neat!
[13:52] <apachelogger> anyone got psql questions
[13:52] <apachelogger> I have a psql dude walking around
[13:52] <JontheEchidna> you were brave enough to install PA?
[13:53] <apachelogger> JontheEchidna: dunno, I never know if I got PA
[13:53] <apachelogger> then at some point I reinstall and all works again
[13:53] <JontheEchidna> heh
[13:54] <JontheEchidna> I think I might try it in 4.5, to test out the fancy new kmix0r
[13:54]  * apachelogger goes looking for krake
[13:54] <Quintasan> oooh
[13:54] <Quintasan> my head @_@
[14:07] <ScottK> jussi: Not if you try to download the file.
[14:09]  * ScottK has PA installed due to this machine coming with Ubuntu and so far has found it to work.
[15:24] <ScottK> Riddell: I just uploaded debfx's kcm-touchpad fixes.  Over to you to decide if you want them in for the release or not.
[15:25]  * Riddell takes a keek
[15:36] <debfx> I don't think the bug is specific to non-admin users
[15:36] <debfx> logout and login again is enough to trigger it
[15:36] <ScottK> That's just how I could recreate it reliably
[15:37] <debfx> when I do that some synaptic properties are invalid and the desktop effects are disabled
[15:38] <debfx> not sure if that's somehow related
[15:48] <ScottK> debfx: For me this is the type of change that I don't think fully resolves the problem, but I have no doubt makes things better.
[15:50] <Riddell> it solves the problem for me
[15:50] <Riddell> so I'll let it in
[15:50] <Riddell> thanks debfx
[15:54] <Riddell> shtylman: how's that MBR ubiquity issue coming along?
[15:55] <shtylman> Riddell: I committed the fix yesterday
[15:55] <Riddell> lovely
[15:55] <shtylman> Riddell: http://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-installer/ubiquity/trunk/revision/4111
[16:38] <shadeslayer> do i need to specify quilt in the build dep,if ive switched to 3.0 packaging?
[16:39] <ScottK> No
[16:39] <ScottK> (fsvo of no - there are circumstances where it may be required, but usually not and I don't recall the details)
[16:39] <shadeslayer> ScottK: then why do i get a lintian error? W: rekonq source: quilt-series-but-no-build-dep
[16:40] <shadeslayer> i have a patch in debian/patches/
[16:40] <ScottK> shadeslayer: First, it's a warning and not an error.  Second, the version of lintian you
[16:40] <ScottK> are using may not know about the v3 stuff
[16:40] <shadeslayer> ScottK: im on lucid...
[16:41] <shadeslayer> ah nvm
[16:41] <shadeslayer> sorted :)
[16:53] <daskreech> nixternal: ping
[17:00] <shtylman> sebas: do you guys still use KD executor for gui testing? have you ever tried frologic squish? I would like to use one of those tools to possibly do some automated testing of the installer... do they do any sort of discount for open source customers?
[17:19] <neversfelde> bulldog98: any news on amarok beta for karmic?
[17:24] <bulldog98> neversfelde: I haven’t found someone for testing yet
[17:25] <neversfelde> bulldog98: try to ask in #kubuntu(-de)
[17:29] <yuriy> hiya folks
[17:30] <ScottK> Hello yuriy
[17:32] <yuriy> leaving to Amsterdam today :D
[18:22] <Riddell> yuriy: what's happening in Amsterdam?
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> looks like I'm sharing a flight to UDS with a kernel dude.
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> Ooh, looks like dantti has a flight booked for UDS too :)
[18:24] <JontheEchidna> looks like there'll be plenty of 11:05 arrivals to share a taxi with
[18:25] <yuriy> Riddell: vacation. visiting a friend who's studying there
[18:26] <JontheEchidna> I have to leave UDS midway through friday. Oh wellz
[18:27] <yuriy> just thought i'd mention it cause i figure there is a good number of KDE folks in the NL
[18:56] <nigelbabu> nixternal: thank you (re: linkedin)
[19:04] <ryanakca> ofirk: I've asked the sysadmins to please push our RT along, I'm heading out, I'll be back tomorrow night.
[19:04] <ofirk> ryanakca: good!
[19:04] <ofirk> ryanakca: contact me when you are back
[19:04] <ryanakca> ofirk: will do
[19:15] <lex79> Riddell: can soprano 2.4.3 go into lucid-updates ?
[19:15] <lex79> http://soprano.sourceforge.net/node/46
[19:16] <ScottK> lex79: Is it just that bugfix?
[19:16] <lex79> ScottK: it seems so
[19:16] <ScottK> Then it probably qualifies
[19:16] <lex79> the package is here https://launchpad.net/~alessandro-ghersi/+archive/staging/+packages
[19:17] <ScottK> lex79: What it will most need is a bug that describes the problem and gives a proper test case for testers to verify the fix.
[19:18] <lex79> ah right
[19:43] <daskreech> !info basket lucid
[19:43] <daskreech> :-D
[19:50] <Quintasan> \o/
[19:53] <Quintasan> Riddell: hmm, can I get a branch like ~kubuntu-members/gluon/ubuntu instead of +junk? :O
[20:19] <lex79> ScottK: Trug said the crash he mentioned in the news/changelog is triggered by experimental code from telepathy-kde project
[20:19] <lex79> So I think we don't need the new release :)
[20:19] <ScottK> lex79: Probably not worth an SRU then.
[20:19] <ScottK> Agreed
[20:19] <lex79> kk
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> lex79, ScottK: funny you should mention soprano bugs... kde bug 155
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> er
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> kde bug 235280
[21:08] <JontheEchidna> bug 566116
[21:09] <lex79> oh, good !
[21:09] <lex79> but strange, trueg said it's a fix just for a bug with telepathy
[21:10] <JontheEchidna> huh, weird
[21:10] <Quintasan> JontheEchidna: do you know how to register ~kubuntu-members/gluon branch?
[21:11] <lex79> Quintasan: you should create a project in launchpad first
[21:11] <lex79> gluon project
[21:11] <lex79> and then create a branch
[21:11] <JontheEchidna> yeah
[21:12] <ScottK> Sounds like SRU material after all then.
[21:12] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: As I told lex79, we'll need an Ubuntu bug with a good test case to demonstrate the problem and that it's fixed.
[21:13] <JontheEchidna> ah, then that doesn't quite meet the requirements
[21:13] <lex79> I think the problem is found the test since it happens randomly with dolphin
[21:14] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: If it's not perfectly reproducable it might still be OK.
[21:14] <JontheEchidna> the user thinks that the bug is him not being able to install anything, so we aren't going to get much from him...
[21:16] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Get jjesse to try it.  He can crash anything.
[21:16] <JontheEchidna> lol
[21:18] <lex79> :)
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> ScottK: is bug 569129 a bug? To me it looks like it'
[21:23] <JontheEchidna> s starting a second row of icons
[21:24] <JontheEchidna> which are smaller
[21:24] <neversfelde> there is a karmic package of amarok 2.3.1 beta in the backports beta ppa
[21:25] <neversfelde> thanks to bulldog98 for packaging it
[21:26] <ScottK> JontheEchidna: Not a bug.  See the comments
[21:26] <JontheEchidna> k, thanks
[23:13] <Quintasan> Riddell: uploading alpha release of gluon
[23:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: where to?
[23:22] <Riddell> Quintasan: you can make a branch like ~kubuntu-members/gluon/ubuntu by firstly registering a project called gluon in launchpad
[23:23] <Riddell> then just push it, assuming you're a member of ~kubuntu-members
[23:23] <Riddell> bzr push lp:~kubuntu-members/gluon/ubuntu
[23:23] <Quintasan> Riddell: I did that
[23:24] <Quintasan> Riddell: to backports, the previous version was lying there so I figured I would upload it there too
[23:24] <Quintasan> though now that you mention it, it should go to Beta Backports rather.
[23:25] <Riddell> if it's a beta yes it should
[23:26] <Quintasan> okay, reuploading
[23:28] <Quintasan> good night everyone
[23:50] <Riddell> http://www.kubuntu.org/node/143 "Amarok, KOffice, KDevelop Beta Packages Updates"