[00:03] <nerdy_kid> ArkoldThos what browser are you using?
[00:03] <ArkoldThos> google chrome
[00:04] <nerdy_kid> Arkold ok yeah just chuck it in ~/.mozilla/plugins and chrome should pick it up (i use chrome)
[00:04] <red> hey I just installed firefox 3.7a5
[00:04] <red> any site with flash content freezes my browser and I have to shut it forcefully
[00:05] <red> any ideas?
[00:05] <nerdy_kid> ArkoldThos why not just install the .deb from adobe ?
[00:05] <quentusrex> I'm having an issue with nvidia drivers
[00:06] <red> ArkoldThos: start up chrome with --plugins-enabled
[00:06] <quentusrex> I might need help,
[00:06] <nerdy_kid> red um...use a stable browser?
[00:06] <quentusrex> but I'm giving it a shot for now
[00:06] <nerdy_kid> quentusrex what gpu?
[00:06] <red> nerdy_kid: how helpful
[00:07] <quentusrex> nerdy_kid, I have two cards with the sli cable connected.
[00:07] <quentusrex> I'm looking up the models
[00:07] <nerdy_kid> red sorry, but seriously: does the same issue happen in a stable browser?
[00:07] <red> ofcourse not
[00:08] <ArkoldThos> nerdy_kid, just did (installed the deb package) but still youtube says: "You need to upgrade your Adobe Flash Player to watch this video. "
[00:08] <ArkoldThos> red, wait until beta atleast
[00:08] <ArkoldThos> :p
[00:08] <red> I like to help bugtest, and I couldn't find any relevant info about flash causing crashes for 3.7a5 hence asking here
[00:08] <red> I think I'll submit a bug report then
[00:09] <red> when it's a great, great piece of software I use daily and doesn't cost anything to me, the least I can do is help when I have some spare time imo
[00:10] <adelcampo> i installed hamster-applet but I only get "hamster-standalone" anyone have an idea what's going on?
[00:10] <nerdy_kid> ArkoldThos try this http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1228792
[00:10] <adelcampo> i'm on a fresh install of the release candidate
[00:12] <quentusrex> nerdy_kid, 9500gt dual cards
[00:13] <nerdy_kid> quentusrex yeah linking cards is way beyond my knowlege.
[00:16] <quentusrex> nerdy_kid, I think it's a driver install issue
[00:16] <quentusrex> not a card issue
[00:21] <nerdy_kid> quentusrex sorry dont have enough time
[00:24] <Jake2|cfl> How do I turn off the login sound?  The Preferences>Sounds doesn't have it ! !!!
[00:30] <ishel> hi
[00:31] <lukus> hi .. is using lucid on a day to day basis a very bad idea
[00:31] <lukus> ?
[00:31] <ishel> I have a huge problem, I've installed today ubuntu and my installation doesn't recognize any of the PCI hardware that I have installed
[00:31] <lukus> are any of you experiencing many probs with it
[00:31] <lukus> ?
[00:31] <lukus> ishel, ahh... seems like you are
[00:31] <ishel> my hardware is fine as it works with my Windows Installation on the same machine
[00:32] <lukus> which version ishel ?
[00:32] <ishel> nothing is recognized from lspci except my PCI-Express hardware
[00:32] <ishel> which is my VGA Adapter
[00:32] <trism> Jake2|cfl: I would try: sudo -u gdm gconftool-2 --set -t bool /desktop/gnome/sound/event_sounds false;
[00:32] <ishel> I've tried both with my soundcard as well as with a wireless network card (Intel chipset based). Nothing is shown in lspci even after reboot
[00:33] <ishel> what you mean what version?
[00:33] <trism> Jake2|cfl: if you mean that drum sound when the login screen appears
[00:33] <ishel> any ideas why this is happening?
[00:37] <Jake2|cfl> trism: I don't know what tje sound is...but it is what occurs right after login.  Lucid RC
[00:40] <trism> Jake2|cfl: is it /usr/share/sounds/ubuntu/stereo/desktop-login.ogg ?
[00:41] <Jake2|cfl> trism: can't tell, not at that machine. irc client is on different machine. but
[00:42] <Jake2|cfl> what diff would it make as to the specific sound?  just want to turn off any login sound
[00:42] <storrgie> Any idea what to do if you are experiencing this?
[00:42] <storrgie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bug/532984
[00:43] <trism> Jake2|cfl: I'm asking because I am no certain you can enable/disable specific sounds without disabling all desktop sounds or editing the theme
[00:44] <Jake2|cfl> trism: oic.  Does this mean lucid has no preference place to just click off login sounds?
[00:45] <zekoZeko> of course it does
[00:45] <Jake2|cfl> trism: let me rephrase:  is ther no place to pick what actions you want sounds for, and which you don't?
[00:46] <storrgie> what is SysReq
[00:46] <zekoZeko> system -> preferences -> sound
[00:46] <zekoZeko> the right tab is already open
[00:46] <Jake2|cfl> zekoZeko: I looked there--no place in that dialog to do it
[00:47] <zekoZeko> which sound do you want to get rid of?
[00:47] <Jake2|cfl> the sound right after login
[00:48] <zekoZeko> oh right
[00:48] <zekoZeko> i had it greyed out because of the "no sound" setting
[00:48] <zekoZeko> i thought there's a list of sounds there
[00:48] <zekoZeko> just a sec, it's gotta be somewhere :)
[00:48] <apavlov1> Hey folks, I'm running setroubleshoot (2.2.52-1ubuntu1) and it bails out with a python stacktrace: "ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2" Amazingly, the latest changelog entry has: "Remove dependency on obsolete package python-gtkhtml2 (LP: #538773)" but /usr/lib/pymodules/python2.6/setroubleshoot/browser.py still references and uses gtkhtml2... Any ideas/is it a joke?
[00:49] <storrgie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/533135
[00:49] <storrgie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/533135
[00:49] <storrgie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/533135
[00:49] <storrgie> https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/plymouth/+bug/533135
[00:49] <storrgie> what the hll
[00:49] <storrgie> this is a MAJOR issue for installing
[00:49] <storrgie> how can this be let to continue?
[00:49] <zekoZeko> system -> administration -> login screen
[00:50] <zekoZeko> uncheck "Play login sound"
[00:50] <Jake2|cfl> zekoZeko: hold a bit while I go to the lucid computer...
[00:50] <red> how do I increase the mousewheel scroll line amount?
[00:51] <red> my middle finger is about to fall off lol :)
[00:53] <djbeenie> how is everyone liking 10.4 ?
[00:53] <xsacha> can anyone explain this? im playing a game, no websites are loading. then later on, websites start working and everything is fine. then my game loses connection and i cant connect again but websites still work. it's happening like this a lot. just today. i dont know why
[00:54] <xsacha> not just with a game. also, synaptic and a firefox d/l i just encountered this same issue
[00:54] <coachj> anyone else had trouble getting 10.4 to "see" an MSC mp3 player
[00:54] <xsacha> it's like the internet stops working for 1 app at a time
[00:54] <djbeenie> I <3 the itouch support integration!
[00:54] <lexr> hey guys, I just installed on a brand new PC, and now when I reboot, I do not see grub like I use to on another pc that has dual boot, I installed grub during install. how do I enter failsafe?
[00:54] <Jake2|cfl> zekoZeko: BUG!  I unchecked it, rebooted; it still plays. Open the panel again--sure enough IT IS UNCHECKED.
[00:55] <trism> Jake2|cfl: no, that setting works correctly, it disables the sound before login (same as the command I gave first), but you want to disable the sound after login
[00:55] <Jake2|cfl> zekoZeko: yes the one after.
[00:56] <Zelozelos> can someone help me with hulu desktop, i keep getting this error "hulu desktop could not locate the flash plugin. If you already have it installed, please modify ~/.huludesktop with the correct location of libflashplayer.so" i do have flash installed and it works with the browsers and i do know where the libflashplayer.so file is, however idont know how to modify huludesktop
[00:59] <trism> Jake2|cfl: oh, try going to System/Preferences/Startup Applications and unchecking GNOME login sound
[01:00] <Jake2|cfl> trism: hol...back to that box
[01:00] <Jake2|cfl> hold
[01:11] <Jake2|cfl> trism: System/Preferences/Startup Applications and unchecking GNOME login sound solved it
[01:11] <Jake2|cfl> trism: I have to say, lucid has scattered control of sounds all over the place.
[01:13] <arrrghhh> so i just did a fresh install of lucid on my server... so no X11.  i'm trying to use MPD, and it segfaults when i try to play any music.  mplayer is fine with the same songs, what could MPD be missing?
[01:29] <melkor> Anybody here lose their x with the xorg-edgers repo recently?
[01:37] <pakete> hi all
[01:38] <imanc> hey - has anyone had issues disabling their touchpad?
[01:38] <imanc> i have followed two examples, but it won't disable at alll
[01:40] <Zelozelos> is there a way to set a path like in dos i could type "path c:\folder\file.ext" and if any program looked for file.ext it would run/find it
[01:42] <arand> Zelozelos: The $PATH variable might be relevant?
[01:42] <Zelozelos> arand, idk, what im trying to do is get huludesktop to find the flashplayer plugin it needs to run
[01:43] <arand> Zelozelos: With the 64bit version of flash?
[01:44] <Zelozelos> yup
[01:45] <Zelozelos> it worked fine b4 but i accidently erased my /usr/share/application folder and had to reinstall a bunch of stuff, and now it dont
[01:47] <Zelozelos> i tried the apt-get purge huludesktop, reinstalling the flash player and combo's of both in diff orders still the same error  "Hulu Desktop could not locate the Flash plugin.
[01:47] <Zelozelos> If you already have it installed, please modify ~/.huludesktop with the correct location of libflashplayer.so."
[01:50] <red> mmh
[01:50] <red> can I convert a ntfs file system into ext3
[01:50] <red> without losing data?
[01:50] <arand> red: most likely no
[01:51] <red> cool
[01:51] <red> ill just back the stuff up then
[01:52] <pakete> how to change plymouth theme???
[01:52] <pakete> any one knows?
[01:52] <red> haha, what the huh
[01:53] <red> ubuntu is reporting my 250GB ntfs drive to have 560GB of stuff in it
[01:54] <red> hows this possible lol :)
[01:54] <arand> Zelozelos: I think it goes in /usr/lib/mozilla/plugins instead maybe...
[01:54] <red> /dev/sdb1             190G  121G   70G  64% /media/Downloads
[01:54] <red> this is what df -h shows
[01:54] <red> but when I go to nautilus, select all the folders and hit properties, it counts up to 560GB
[01:55] <red> could nautilus just be plain wrong or what? :)
[01:56] <BUGabundo> red symlinks
[01:56] <arand> red: sounds plausible, it might be counting twice...? Regardless it sounds like something worth a bug report...
[01:56] <BUGabundo> or mount points
[01:57] <Zelozelos> arand interesting, i just did a apt-get purge huludesktop again and decided to search for huludesktop, and i found a .swf folder, another huludesktop folder and 2 exe files, you think i sould try and erase those?
[01:57] <red> BUGabundo: I haven't created any symlinks there to the best of my knowledge
[01:57] <BUGabundo> red run du with ignore links
[01:57] <red> ..unless vuze does those somehow without prompt
[01:57] <BUGabundo> ohhhh
[01:57] <BUGabundo> vuze
[01:57] <BUGabundo> then its clear
[01:57] <red> perhaps it's reserving space or something
[01:57] <BUGabundo> file alocation
[01:57] <BUGabundo> yep
[01:57] <red> mmh
[01:58] <red> obviously I dont have 560GB of free space to backup it
[01:58] <arand> Zelozelos: I honestly don't know, just rename them if you are unsure
[01:58] <red> and using ntfs with unix and torrents with million small files isn't smart
[01:58] <BUGabundo> nope
[01:58] <red> what would happend if I just tried to make a .tar out of the contents? :p
[01:59] <red> how much can a file allocation be compressed :)
[02:00] <red> how can it even allocate like 300% of the drives space? :D
[02:00] <BUGabundo> cause you are alocating more then the free disk
[02:01] <red> i just checked, allocation isn't even enabled :l
[02:01] <red> in the settings of vuze that is
[02:01] <c0vert> vuze..horrible
[02:01] <Zelozelos> arand now i see, those are on my windows partition
[02:01] <red> i dislike the application aswell, sadly its the only torrent app for ubuntu that handles magnet links
[02:02] <red> i did try kTorrent beta in january tho, but kept crashing every few hours
[02:02] <red> stable ktorrent didnt handle magnets
[02:02] <Zelozelos> i give up, when the final release of 10 is released ill be reformatting anyhow so ill just have 2 deal with it till then
[02:03] <c0vert> red, what about transmission? comes with ubuntu
[02:03] <Zelozelos> ill prob screw somethin up between then and now anyhow ;)
[02:04] <arand> red: transmission supports magnet links in lucid: Bug #479772
[02:05] <c0vert> it says it supports magnet links right on their website? i dunno
[02:05] <red> c0vert: magnet links, trackerless torrents
[02:06] <red> arand: really?
[02:06] <red> supports as in paste magnet url and it works
[02:07] <c0vert> try it. it works
[02:07] <red> just testing now
[02:08] <hardran3> Magnet links work in transmission, see gconf editor /desktop/gnome/url-handlers/magnet
[02:08] <red> yeah, seems to work now
[02:08] <red> goodie
[02:08] <red> now I just gotta finish up ~100GB of stuff thru vuze and move to transmission then
[02:08] <c0vert> vuze is the devi.
[02:08] <red> ye
[02:08] <red> it's horribly heavy
[02:08] <red> but what can one expect from a java app
[02:09] <hardran3> Deluge is good as well. Magnets work too.
[02:10] <red> deluge seemed nice since it resembled utorrent
[02:11] <red> but it said to support magnets back in january, tho i found it didnt really work at all back then
[02:11] <red> hence been stuck with vuze
[02:11] <red> tested transmission/ktorrent/deluge back then
[02:11] <hardran3> red, i had to edit the url-handler to get it to work.
[02:11] <hoop> yo
[02:11] <brandon__> hello
[02:11] <hoop> hey ban is gent
[02:12] <brandon__> anyone able to assist me with teamspeak 3 installation on Ubuntu 10.4
[02:12] <red> oh
[02:13] <red> hardran3: could you link any websites you may have used as guide to get it working in deluge? i think id prefer that to transmission due more preferences
[02:13] <DJ-rb> anyone able to help with TeamSpeak 3 on Ubuntu 10.4
[02:14] <DJ-rb> anyone at all :P
[02:14] <hardran3> red, http://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/Faq#WhatisamagneturiandhowdoIgetDelugetohandlethem
[02:14] <hoop> dj just ask the question you want someone will try and assist you
[02:15] <DJ-rb> im trying to get TeamSpeak 3 to run correctly on Ubuntu 10.4 Beta 2. Having issues with transmitting audio
[02:15] <DJ-rb> I can hear everyone in the channel fine
[02:15] <hardran3> Anyone know how to get a script to run when my notebook resumes from suspend on lucid?
[02:15] <DJ-rb> but the hear only white noise when i activate my mic
[02:16] <DJ-rb> they&
[02:16] <red> hardran3: ah you mean to work from clicking the magnet in a browser?
[02:16] <red> as opposed to manually pasting it to deluge
[02:16] <hardran3> red, yes
[02:16] <red> ya well, I tried that tutorial already back in january, I remember
[02:16] <hoop> Zyktick... are you around?
[02:17] <red> the issue then was that the actual client just wouldn't do anything for the magnet url, clicked add and nothing happened
[02:17] <hardran3> red, I am running the 1.2.3 version from the ppa as well
[02:18] <prayii> won the OMG!Ubuntu site they posted about a new torrent client. haven't checked it out yet. might be worth a try: http://sourceforge.net/projects/flush
[02:18] <hoop> dj rb stop flooding... lol
[02:18] <hardran3> red, https://launchpad.net/~deluge-team/+archive/ppa
[02:18] <DJ-rb> lmao hoop
[02:18] <hoop> anyone... able to help DJrb with 10.4 and TeamSpeak 3?
[02:19] <hardran3> DJ-rb, install pavucontrol
[02:19] <DJ-rb> ok
[02:20] <DJ-rb> what should i expect that to do if you dont mind me askin
[02:20] <hardran3> DJ-rb, then see if your Mic is showing as stereo. If it is turn one channel down.
[02:20] <DJ-rb> hardran3  ok will do
[02:20] <prayii> i personally use rtorrent
[02:21] <prayii> but I don't torrent very often. Usually about once every six months (ubuntu). lol
[02:22] <DJ-rb> hardran3 while on the topic of TeamSpeak...when I launch the program...it is done using terminal and upon closing the terminal window the program exits. is there a way around this issue?
[02:23] <hardran3> what command do you use to launch it?
[02:23] <DJ-rb> hardran3 excellent fix. Pavucontrol seems to be working. my mic is now picking up my voice whereas before it did not..
[02:24] <hardran3> for some reason it puts the mic as stereo and the channels cancel each other out.
[02:25] <DJ-rb> hardran3 i am not sure. I need to set it up again...but essentially..i downloaded the tarball file and then i believe i extracted the files and used an sh file to run the program this of course opened the terminal and as i said closing the termianl closed the app
[02:25] <DJ-rb> let me get back to that point and i will let you know
[02:26] <DJ-rb> hardran3 ok i was mistaken it downloads as a .run file
[02:27] <Roasted> what theme engine is ambiance based on?
[02:27] <DJ-rb> this is the tutorial I followed to get the .run installed
[02:27] <DJ-rb> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=239797
[02:29] <hardran3> thats to install. how do you start the program. BTW I know nothing about teamspeak :)
[02:29] <ninjai__> Without a live CD, how can I fix my video drivers? I updated ubuntu and it boots with a black screen :(.  Can I force it into low graphics mode somehow?
[02:30] <ninjai__> anyone?
[02:30] <red> pick recovery from grub list?
[02:31] <red> not sure tho
[02:31] <ninjai__> recovery boots GUI too, black screen
[02:32] <prayii> ninjai__: what did you update?
[02:32] <red> doh
[02:32] <red> they still haven't fixed ambiance panel background graphics
[02:32] <ninjai__> ?
[02:32] <red> it's cool that they just implemented one size, 24px height
[02:33] <ninjai__> its annoying, last time I fixed it by uninstalling the nvidia drivers (I have onboard nvidia and intel gfx)
[02:33] <ninjai__> prayii: i think xserver was updated but I dont recall.....
[02:33] <hardran3> red, yeah it looks great on my 42" with 18 point fonts :(
[02:34] <red> hardran3: I use 32px high panel for larger icons since have a 24" full hd samsung display and a 50" full hd telly hooked up
[02:34] <red> using ambiance theme otherwise, but new wave menus since that bg texture :P
[02:35] <hardran3> red, i was being sarcastic. It looks bad here too.
[02:36] <ninjai__> is there nothing i can do to recover my video without a live cd?
[02:36] <hardran3> Wait a bit someone else may  know.
[02:37] <red> ye, not the best time of day to ask :)
[02:38] <ninjai__> no? why not? lol
[02:38] <ninjai__> brb rebooting
[02:40] <DJ-rb> hey can anyone point me in the right direction for making a launcher in 10.4
[02:40] <DJ-rb> trying to make a shortcut for a .sh file
[02:40] <DJ-rb> is that allowed?
[02:42] <hardran3> DJ-rb, right click on desktop, click "create launcher"
[02:42] <DJ-rb> yea i did that....
[02:43] <DJ-rb> then i did browse..and selected the sh
[02:43] <DJ-rb> but when i click on the launcher nothing appears to happen
[02:43] <hardran3> is the .sh file exx
[02:43] <hardran3> is the .sh file executable? what are you launching?
[02:44] <iconmefisto> ooh. good morning updates
[02:47] <NucWin> anyone got any ideas why my laptop screen does not sleep when it should? it just goes black and keeps the backlight on
[02:47] <NucWin> i have set it to turn off after 10mins
[02:49] <DJ-rb> hardran3 ok sorry..was tinkering...yes if i double click it...it says run in terminal cancel run blah blah....and I always select run do i need to add any extra variable to make it select run on the launcher?
[02:51] <ninjai__> i tried changing boot loader settings tono avail :(
[02:52] <eagle5> i cant upgrade to 10.04, update manager not detecting releases, i tried the switch still no hope
[02:52] <eagle5> any clue any one,.,
[02:52] <hardran3> DJ-rb, are you using the full path to the .sh?
[02:52] <bazhang> eagle5, as its not released, it wont
[02:53] <DJ-rb> this is the path /home/brandon/Downloads/TeamSpeak3-Client-linux_x86/ts3client_runscript.sh
[02:53] <eagle5> bazhang, i ment the beta release
[02:54] <arrrghhh> so anyone use MPD?
[02:54] <bazhang> eagle5, the RC you mean?
[02:54] <eagle5> ya
[02:54] <bazhang> eagle5, what command did you use
[02:54] <hardran3> DJ-rb, is that what you have in the launcher for the command? if so it should work.
[02:55] <DJ-rb> yes that is the command
[02:55] <kuttans> Hii im unable to mount encrypted swap
[02:55] <eagle5> @ bazhag,update-manager -d
[02:55] <arrrghhh> encrypted swap!?!
[02:55] <kuttans> yeah i have both my root and swap encrypted
[02:55] <ninjai__> how can i make ubuntu not show splash?
[02:55] <hardran3> DJ-rb, I dont know then. Sorry.
[02:55] <arrrghhh> why would you encrypt swap?
[02:55] <DJ-rb> ok ty
[02:56] <ninjai__> arrrghhh: because you can examine it's contents and they may never be overwritten
[02:56] <kuttans> ninjai_ remove splash from the boot argument, or else edit /etc/default/grub and use update-grub
[02:56] <arrrghhh> ninjai__, oh i thought swap was wiped on every shutdown
[02:56] <ninjai__> kuttans: I believe it's already set up as splash=nosplash...
[02:56] <eagle5> bazhag,"update-manager -d"
[02:56] <ninjai__> arrrghhh: Actually, that doesn't necessarily matter
[02:57] <kuttans> ninjai_ you remove that and only give "" there
[02:57] <ninjai__> arrrghhh: You can recover files and data forever until it's overwritten by new data
[02:57] <ninjai__> kuttans: thanks I'll try that
[02:57] <arrrghhh> ninjai__, not true.  try to recover something that's been rm'd.
[02:57] <ninjai__> arrrghhh: I'm in computer forensics... yes you can
[02:57] <kuttans> hey i successfully achieved luks two form factor authentication with plymouth and enabling the splash but my encrypted swap is not mounted for some reason
[02:58] <arrrghhh> ninjai__, is that why there's an outstanding bet?  no company has EVER stepped up.  you can get like $500,000 i think if you can do it!  so you're full of it.
[02:58] <arrrghhh> ninjai__, rm actually 0's out the bits... so good luck.
[02:58] <kuttans> so no one using a fully encrypted hard disk here
[02:59] <ninjai__> arrrghhh: I didn't say you could recover everything.  You have to understand how it works.  in forensics, a filename may be all you need.
[02:59] <eagle5> i cant upgrade to 10.04, update manager not detecting releases, i tried the switch still no hope, any clue any one
[03:00] <arrrghhh> ninjai__, i know how forensics work... i may not "work" in forensics, but i know how data recovery works.
[03:00] <ninjai__> arrrghhh: when you delete something they are only "unlinked".  the OS marks those sectors as writable again
[03:00] <arrrghhh> ninjai__, in windows, yes.  quit thinking about windows in an ubuntu chat room :)
[03:00] <ninjai__> arrrghhh: its tru for linux as well
[03:00] <arrrghhh> ninjai__, i'm talkin the rm command.
[03:01] <ninjai__> arrrghhh: the inode is deleted (the pointers to the sectors), but the data is still there until it's overwritten (Say, by downloading a new file for example)
[03:01] <arrrghhh> ninjai__, then step up.  i'm serious.  there's a challenge, if you can recover this data that was removed using rm, i think the prize money is like $500,000.
[03:01] <kuttans> ninjai__ is correct
[03:01] <ninjai__> if rm did that, then rm would have to re-write the sectors with 512 bytes of gibberish data
[03:01] <ninjai__> then unlink them again
[03:02] <kuttans> arrrghhh you can recover any layer of data its not so easy but its achievable
[03:02] <arrrghhh> as i understand it, rm 0's it out.
[03:02] <iconmefisto> "rm actually 0's out the bits" is absolutely untrue
[03:02] <eagle5> i cant upgrade to 10.04, update manager not detecting releases, i tried the switch still no hope, can any one please help me
[03:02] <arrrghhh> kuttans, shall i bring up the challenge?
[03:02] <arrrghhh> let me find it
[03:02] <jbuncher> my keyboard just crapped out in 10.04
[03:03] <kuttans> arrrghhh it just remove the address like ninjai__ pointed out.  Like removing the address in FAT.
[03:03] <ninjai__> arrrghhh: nobody is saying they can recover 500 vacation photos that have been rm'd, but its very possible you can get some of them - if not all, or view file names and such
[03:03] <arrrghhh> ninjai__, hold please.
[03:03] <ninjai__> ok
[03:03] <jbuncher> anyone else having that issue?  they keyboard works at the login for gdm, but once I'm logged they keyboard odes not work.
[03:04] <kuttans> arrrghhh cyber forensic involve a lot of resource intensive methods to collect the old data.  Even if its shredded using the latest encrypting technology
[03:04] <arrrghhh> hrm.  maybe it was using dd and piping it to /dev/zero
[03:04] <pepee> hello
[03:04] <arrrghhh> kinda changes it
[03:04] <eagle5> jbuncher, no clue what so ever buddy
[03:04] <ninjai__> to add to what kuttans said, that's why boot and nuke exists, and thats why military grade wipes several runs, not just one.
[03:04] <pepee> mpontillo, are you there?
[03:05] <arrrghhh> http://hostjury.com/blog/view/195/the-great-zero-challenge-remains-unaccepted
[03:05] <arrrghhh> that goes over it.  i apologize, it was with dd.
[03:05] <kuttans> exactly. but the point is you can make out the old data by replacing opposite bits, means complement and you get the previous layer of data. i only heard about the logic, never went deep
[03:05] <jbuncher> eagle5, it's so bizarre, I have no idea what it would be.  I did just apt-get remove some packages that had residual config files, but I don't know what they were.
[03:06] <ninjai__> dd, yes thats totally different lol
[03:06] <ninjai__> dd can 0's it all, but its still not 100% guaranteed.
[03:06] <arrrghhh> d'oh.  not sure why i thought it was rm.  i know i rm'd a lot of shit that i tried & failed to recover.  but there was a lot, and i couldn't find anything short of going down to the platters.
[03:07] <ninjai__> arrrghhh: Can I have 500,000$$$ now? haahha
[03:07] <ninjai__> brb, im going to try to boot back into ubuntu
[03:07] <arrrghhh> ninjai__, nope, not my challenge :D  if i still had that data to recover, maybe $50 :P
[03:08] <arrrghhh> damn and that challenge i listed the prize money is $40.  no wonder no one wanted to participate.
[03:08] <arrrghhh> so does anyone use MPD?
[03:10] <NucWin> mpd?
[03:11] <arrrghhh> music player daemon?
[03:11] <kuttans> anyone have a solution for encrypted swap not mounting
[03:11] <eagle5> jbuncher, truth of moment pcsx dont work in lucid
[03:11] <CortezTheKiller> arrrghhh, not me .. MPD has always caused me more hassles than it was worth
[03:12] <jbuncher> eagle5, ???
[03:12] <arrrghhh> CortezTheKiller, what do you use?  i want something i can control remotely from many different types of front-ends...
[03:12] <kuttans> mountall fails to mount swap space in encrypted hard disk saying plymouth is not available where as its available
[03:12] <ninjai__> okay so i booted without splash and i saw linux boot up just fine.  as soon as x started... black screen.  If I went and got my live CD, how could I fix this since 10.04 apparently has no xorg.conf?
[03:12] <someOtherDude> hi guys, as a result of a package update, my grub2 no longer has any kernel choices in it (i.e. it defaults to memtest)
[03:13] <CortezTheKiller> arrrghhh,  i really don't use anything in that regards. i am way too lazy i just use banshee :)
[03:13] <kuttans> ninjai__ i guess its the driver problem
[03:13] <someOtherDude> im running a liveusb right now, i just need it to check for installed kernels because I know there is at least one, anyone know how to make that happen?
[03:13] <kuttans> ninjai__ chroot and do a upgrade && update i hope it will work
[03:13] <ninjai__> someOtherDude: That sucks, I would suggest booting a live cd, find out what kernel you have and manually place it in the grub config
[03:13] <eagle5> jbuncher, sorry not ment for u
[03:13] <arrrghhh> CortezTheKiller, ah.  i have a headless server.  had a functioning mpd setup, but something borked it so i started fresh with an clean lucid server install.  now it segfaults whenever i try to play music!
[03:14] <ninjai__> kuttans: Okay ill give that a shot... hopefully I still have the disc around somewhere... heh
[03:14] <someOtherDude> ninjai__, how would i do that
[03:14] <kuttans> mount your boot partition and check it, its the easiest way i guess someOtherDude
[03:14] <kuttans> ninjai__ lol you can get that in /dev listed somewhere,
[03:15] <Flynsarmy> So...is it out yet?
[03:15] <kuttans> anyone there with encrypted hard disk and not able to mount the encrypted swap space
[03:15] <CortezTheKiller> arrrghhh, Looking at google for you and all ive come up on is your post
[03:16] <arrrghhh> lol
[03:16] <arrrghhh> me too!
[03:16] <arrrghhh> i think it's a codec issue, but mplayer is fine
[03:16] <quuxman> I'm interested in forming an ubuntu sub-community. The idea will be to maintain the accessibility of the underlying power of the console / shell environment. I suggest calling it the Coalition of Console Liberation
[03:17] <arrrghhh> quuxman, ever heard of ubuntu-server?  they're keeping the idea alive :P
[03:17] <quuxman> You might think I'm being totally sarcastic, but I have some specific ideas
[03:17] <CortezTheKiller> submit a bug report? or maybe reinstall mpd? maybe something got corrupted during update
[03:17] <quuxman> arrrghhh: I choose not to use ubuntu-server, because it takes longer for me to configure the way I want it
[03:17] <quuxman> arrrghhh: though I do use it in special cases
[03:18] <CyberKitsune> So hi
[03:18] <CortezTheKiller> if i had an extra pc i would for sure use ubuntu server
[03:18] <ninjai__> Kuttans: is there any way to easily identify what /dev/sd* contains what OS?
[03:18] <quuxman> I want to form an interest group because I know there are other computer professionals that have very similar issues
[03:18] <someOtherDude> i was thinking sudo update-grub but i keep getting this error message
[03:18] <someOtherDude> /usr/sbin/grub-probe: error: cannot find a device for / (is /dev mounted?).
[03:18] <arrrghhh> quuxman, so wait you use a gui to configure your server?  that's retarded if you're trying to form a console coalition.
[03:18] <CyberKitsune> Is there any way I can flip the window title buttons (Close Min Max) back to the right than the left?
[03:19] <kuttans> ninjai__ never came across such a issue.
[03:19] <quuxman> arrrghhh: no, I like to use console tools on my desktop machine, like I have since I first started using linux back before Debian existed
[03:19] <arrrghhh> CyberKitsune, yea it's documented.  gconf changes i believe.
[03:19] <ninjai__> kuttans: ok thanks im going to boot a live cd and hope that i can figure this out lol
[03:19] <kuttans> best of luck ninjai__
[03:19] <CortezTheKiller> is your root filesystem mounted? someOtherDude
[03:19] <iconmefisto> ninjai__: sudo fdisk -l will tell you what filesystem types are on each /dev/sd*
[03:19] <arrrghhh> quuxman, do you know how long debian has been around for!??
[03:19] <quuxman> arrrghhh: and no, I don't do EVERYTHING from the console. I like my mouse
[03:20] <quuxman> arrrghhh: and I like graphics
[03:20] <someOtherDude> yeah, i did sudo mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/
[03:20] <kuttans> anyone there with the problem of mountall with plymouth
[03:20] <bp0> debian has always existed
[03:20] <quuxman> arrrghhh: tell me when exactly Debian was created
[03:20] <arrrghhh> quuxman, then your console coalition makes no sense.  and graphics are fine on my desktop, NOT on my server thank you.
[03:20] <arrrghhh> quuxman, august 16 1993
[03:20] <quuxman> arrrghhh: I agree. I don't want any X11 crap on my server
[03:20] <jbuncher> any suggestions for why a laptop keyboard would stop working all of the sudden when logged in to gnome in lucid?
[03:20] <bp0> its funny that debian is version 5 and ubuntu is 10
[03:20] <CyberKitsune> arrrghhh, where in gconf?
[03:21] <quuxman> arrrghhh: I just want more console tools installed by default
[03:21] <quuxman> arrrghhh: on my desktop
[03:21] <arrrghhh> CyberKitsune, it's documented... so you want me to google for you?
[03:21] <iconmefisto> bp0: ubuntu version numbers are dates
[03:21] <kuttans> jbuncher are you running dbus?
[03:21] <quuxman> arrrghhh: they take little hard drive space, and offer a lot of underlying functionality. Good cost/benefit in my opinion
[03:21] <iconmefisto> bp0: the 10 refers to 2010
[03:21] <arrrghhh> CyberKitsune, i read a bug tracker comment list that said how to do it.
[03:21] <jbuncher> kuttans, I would assume so?  It's a fairly default install (actually upgrade from karmic)
[03:22] <arrrghhh> quuxman, yea but few people use them, so why install stuff people don't use by default.
[03:22] <bp0> iconmefisto, interesting
[03:22] <bp0> didn't know that
[03:22] <quuxman> arrrghhh: because, if they're intelligent console tools, than a lot of scripts and even GUI tools can take advantage of them
[03:22] <quuxman> *s/than/then/
[03:22] <iconmefisto> bp0: so 10.04 is april 2010
[03:22] <arrrghhh> bp0, yea, the .04 is for april and .10 is october
[03:22] <kuttans> jbuncher : check out the dbus option and try to disable running it, if its your laptop check out the system log and post me what you get there regarding keyboard
[03:22] <quuxman> arrrghhh: is this not the unix philosophy?
[03:22] <arrrghhh> quuxman, true.  and they include quite a few.  what's missing in your opinion?
[03:23] <quuxman> arrrghhh: xsel should be included in X11 for example
[03:23] <CyberKitsune> arrrghhh, I foudn it
[03:23] <CyberKitsune> found*
[03:23] <quuxman> arrrghhh: or more specifically, xserver-xorg package
[03:23] <arrrghhh> CyberKitsune, excellent
[03:23] <kuttans> any taker on encrypted swap space ?
[03:23] <jbuncher> kuttans, where do I check out the dbus option?  and pasting will be tough, as I have no way to type or log in once I'm in gnome (right now I'm logged in to my hardy install on that laptop)
[03:24] <kuttans> look like everyone is using plain hdd no one worried about security lol
[03:24] <quuxman> arrrghhh: I find it annoying having to download that tiny package every time I set up a new desktop
[03:24] <kuttans> jbuncher : if you have dual boot system then you can anyway enter into the log files of the lucid install
[03:24] <jbuncher> kuttans, good point
[03:24] <quuxman> arrrghhh: it's just a collection of little tiny things like that I'd want to promote in this hypothetical interest group
[03:25] <kuttans> its in the /var/log
[03:25] <quuxman> arrrghhh: I love Ubuntu as a whole. I think it's the best distro out there
[03:25] <arrrghhh> quuxman, i've been questioning some recent design choices, but for the most part is has gotten much better with every interation.
[03:25] <kuttans> no takers on encrypted swap and plymouth issue
[03:25] <CortezTheKiller> ubuntu is the only distro i can patch my kernel for my toshiba laptop and have everything work lol
[03:26] <quuxman> arrrghhh: yeah. The one thing that was bugging me in 10.04 that I brought up earlier in this channel was the difficulty of getting rid of plymouth
[03:26] <quuxman> arrrghhh: and by "getting rid of" I mean "making it act like it used to"
[03:26] <quuxman> arrrghhh: I'm totally cool with plymouth being the underlying system to provide a boot interface
[03:27] <xsj> when I upgrade 9.10 to 10.04,I can not get into Terminal?
[03:27] <Pici> xsj: you're here :)
[03:27] <xsj>  en
[03:27] <xsj>    thank you
[03:27] <xsj>    but can you tell me why?
[03:27] <xsj> I can not get into Terminal?
[03:27] <xsj> so i can not update my GPU driver?
[03:27] <jbuncher> kuttans, what log file should I look in?
[03:28] <pepee> xsj, what do you mean by "terminal"?
[03:28] <quuxman> arrrghhh: I also find it concerning that there is no default console / curses interface to compliment the new (and really cool) Internet connection applet. I had to dig to find wicd-curses
[03:28] <kuttans> jbuncher system.log
[03:28] <hardran3> Anyone know how to get a command to run when my notebook resumes from suspend on lucid?
[03:28] <pepee> perhaps you want to say "tty"?
[03:28] <quuxman> arrrghhh: I have often wanted to be able to log in to a client's computer through ssh and mess with stuff like that
[03:28] <xsj> It is not X11,and it is only can type english
[03:28] <jbuncher> kuttans, and what exactly am I looking for?
[03:28] <arrrghhh> quuxman, yea, they're definitely starting to hide some of that stuff... xorg.conf is gone, but it was kinda a PITA
[03:29] <xsj> understand?
[03:29] <quuxman> arrrghhh: yeah, xorg.conf was broken because it required a restart of X11, which at this point in the evolution of Linux is practically like restarting your computer if you're on a desktop system
[03:29] <arrrghhh> quuxman, yea, you can forward X11 apps but obviously is a much less pleasant experience
[03:29] <xsj> I am only a chinese student,so I have a bad english..
[03:29] <xsj> I am sorry
[03:30] <pepee> xsj, well, mine is not very good...
[03:30] <quuxman> xsj: I am sorry I do not speak Chinese. Perhaps someone else here does...?
[03:30] <pepee> but I understand
[03:30] <xsj> thanks
[03:30] <xsj>   so ,what should i do?
[03:31] <pepee> so you want to install your driver, but you are not in X / gnome?
[03:31] <quuxman> arrrghhh: So yeah... that's another thing I'd advocate... a default Internet connection managing applet that has a nice daemon backend that can be interacted through a simpler console program
[03:31] <xsj> oh ,no..i mean i can only in X
[03:31] <pepee> xsj, ahh
[03:31] <pepee> try sudo jockey-gtk
[03:32] <CortezTheKiller> lol 3 minutes till i see if my lucid install messed up lol
[03:32] <xsj> when i type ctrl+alt+F1,nothing change
[03:32] <pepee> xsj, ahh ok, you can't see the tty
[03:32] <quuxman> arrrghhh: I think it should always be a user choice (even if the choice is obscure) to interact on a language / symbol level or on a graphical interactive level
[03:32] <xsj> ahh
[03:32] <xsj> make a try
[03:33] <pepee> xsj, you don't need to install the driver from tty or the console
[03:33] <xsj> yes
[03:33] <xsj> ?
[03:33] <xsj> so?
[03:33] <iconmefisto> xsj: sudo start tty1  <-- does that start tty1 ? (ctrl-alt-F1)
[03:33] <xsj> but sometime I need the console
[03:34] <xsj> no..
[03:34] <pepee> try running 'gksudo jockey-gtk'
[03:34] <xsj> only a mouse at the yop of left
[03:34] <xsj> ok
[03:34] <pepee> (I'm in kubuntu, so I don't know how to run commands in gnome)
[03:35] <quuxman> arrrghhh: I dunno... is there any interest in this sort of thing? I'm mostly a "member" of the Ubuntu community by simply using it and benefiting from it, and I feel like this would be a tiny way I could put my "2 cents" in
[03:35] <iconmefisto> sudo jockey-text -C  might be a useful alternative to the jockey GUI
[03:35] <pepee> xsj: /join #ubuntu-cn
[03:36] <rww> iconmefisto: apt-get is a useful alternative to the jockey GUI :S
[03:36] <xsj> pepee ,I have update the GPU driver,but now i want to the console
[03:36] <pepee> ah now I understand
[03:36] <rww> every time I've used jockey, it's just been a buggy way of installing packages...
[03:36] <xsj> en  can you help me?
[03:37] <pepee> well, I had the same problem, and never knew how to solve it lol
[03:37] <pepee> i think that you can try removing some kernel options
[03:38] <pepee> like splash or quiet
[03:38] <xsj> you mean the list of GRUB?
[03:38] <pepee> yes
[03:39] <iconmefisto> rww: then by the same logic, dpkg is a useful alternative to apt-get
[03:39] <pepee> aptitude FTW!
[03:39] <rww> iconmefisto: with the exception that apt-get 1) works reliably, 2) is not horribly bad at explaining itself
[03:39] <rww> unlike jockey, which is neither of these
[03:40] <xsj> i will make a try
[03:40] <iconmefisto> rww: what I mean is: installing a driver with apt-get requires you know your hardware, and which driver to install, etc. jockey does all that for you
[03:40] <rww> theoretically
[03:42] <iconmefisto> rww: the gtk and kde jockey GUIs often have problems, but it's not really jockey's fault
[03:43] <quuxman> arrrghhh: anyway, if you run across anybody with similar ideas for the desktop version of Ubuntu, feel free to send me a /msg
[03:44] <rww> My experience thusfar with jockey: 1) attempted to install fglrx. Jockey froze for ten minutes, said it was done installing, did not actually install. 2) Different computer, with Broadcom card. Jockey offered "Broadcom B43" and "Broadcom STA" drivers. The first was actually a firmware package, not drivers. When installing the second, jockey crashed.
[03:44] <iconmefisto> it's not a bad idea to do a sudo apt-get update before running jockey
[03:45] <pepee> that's what I did today :)
[03:45] <rww> So yeah, you can make all the distinctions you want between frontends and backends, but if neither of the frontends I'm aware of actually work, that says something about the overall system imho.
[03:45] <pepee> aptitude -d install fglrx ....
[03:45] <pepee> I had good experiences with jockey-kde, but I used it twice
[03:45] <EruditeHermit> hey, does anyone know how to change the clicable zone of a touchpad?
[03:46] <pepee> I like the terminal
[03:48] <adalal1> anyone here knows if fglrx can switch monitors on the fly?
[03:50] <kuttans> encrypted swap not mounting + any solutions
[03:51] <quuxman> A totally reasonable possibility would be to create a fork along the lines of xubuntu, but instead of focusing on a _different_ gui framework, I'd want to focus on a more powerful one that more fits in to the Unix philosophy
[03:51] <quuxman> Of course I'd much rather see these really minor changes in the main Ubuntu desktop branch
[03:52] <virtuald> like the rox desktop?
[03:52] <ratcheer> rww: Are you filing bugs on Launchpad for all your jockey problems?
[03:52] <quuxman> virtuald: let me google that
[03:53] <RegressLess> Would someone please tell me how to identify my audio hardware?
[03:53] <iconmefisto> RegressLess: aplay -l
[03:54] <iconmefisto> RegressLess: or lshw -c multimedia
[03:54] <quuxman> virtuald: maybe, but not based on my scan of the Wikipedia article. That looks like a more powerful gui framework based on better interactive "metaphors" or whatever. I'd want the same or very similar gui to the existing one with more tie-in to console commands
[03:55] <quuxman> virtuald: for example, I don't like the default gnome window manager because of its poor scriptability. I still use sawfish
[03:55] <virtuald> o.o
[03:55] <ninjai__> anyone have any suggestions? My problem: I boot my 10.04 install and the screen goes black once x starts.  I tried chrooting from a live cd and updating to no avail (this problem ocurred after an update)
[03:56] <virtuald> quuxman: i didn't know that still existed
[03:56] <quuxman> I like idiot proof guis a lot when I'm feeling idiotic. I just want to have all the customizability too when I feel like it
[03:56] <RegressLess> iconmefisto: should I just research that driver to see why I don't have any sound or do you have any ideas?
[03:57] <quuxman> virtuald: it's still very well maintained. One of the very first things I do when I install a new version of Ubuntu is install sawfish and figure out how to get X11 to start with it instead. In 10.04 this was a lot harder. Still haven't figured it out to my satisfaction
[03:58] <quuxman> One really really cool feature would be if I could disable all of my customization with one command, and go back to the default GUI with task bar and applets and everything without restarting any programs
[03:58] <quuxman> That way my friends could use my computer
[03:59] <quuxman> (and no, my friends are not computer illeterate, they just have different preferences){
[03:59] <iconmefisto> RegressLess: speaker-test -c2 -twav    or if you have pulseaudio installed: pasuspender -- speaker-test -c2 -twav
[03:59] <ratcheer> quuxman: lol
[03:59] <ninjai__> How can I reset my video settings from command line?
[03:59] <virtuald> i tried to add another window manager to fusion-icon but it blew up in my face
[03:59] <bryanr> can .NET 4.0 apps run inside WINE?
[03:59] <quuxman> back in the days before X11 it was easy: "sudo adduser joeblow"... alt+f2, login as joeblow
[04:00] <iconmefisto> RegressLess: if that doesn't make any sound, I would google for your audio hardware+ubuntu
[04:00] <quuxman> any important program would be running as a daemon
[04:00] <quuxman> things are a lot more complicated now, but I still want that functionality
[04:01] <mininessie> ubuntu sucks
[04:01] <quuxman> mininessie: oh? What's your distro of choice?
[04:01] <virtuald> quuxman: start a guest session for your friends
[04:01] <mininessie> quuxman: linux mint
[04:01] <quuxman> virtuald: but then I'd have to live with gdm, which I really don't like
[04:01] <iconmefisto> mininessie: are you trying to make us cry? or just frustrated?
[04:01] <mininessie> iconmefisto: both
[04:01] <iconmefisto> heh
[04:01] <quuxman> oh a troll
[04:01] <quuxman> where's the troll broom?
[04:02] <virtuald> really? i don't have the choice in gdm, just on my indicator menu
[04:02] <quuxman> virtuald: I have to work to get rid of gdm now. It used to be easy: "sudo apt-get remove usplash gdm"
[04:02] <virtuald> the one with the power button
[04:03] <quuxman> virtuald: now in 10.04 I'm not so sure how to ditch it
[04:03] <virtuald> maybe you should run debian
[04:03] <quuxman> virtuald: nah... it's too hard to install
[04:03] <iconmefisto> quuxman: I think adding "text" to kernel line in grub should give you a console login (no X)
[04:03] <quuxman> virtuald: and it doesn't have all the cool gui stuff
[04:03] <virtuald> heh you really think so?
[04:03] <quuxman> iconmefisto: ah ok. I should try that and reboot
[04:04] <hardran3> quuxman,  build ubuntu up from the netinstall iso.
[04:04] <quuxman> iconmefisto: I've already made that edit, just haven't gotten around to rebooting
[04:04] <quuxman> hardran3: that takes too much time. Don't you see I want my cake, and to eat it too?
[04:04] <mininessie> quuxman: the cake is a lie
[04:04] <quuxman> hardran3: I've done that a couple times though, and it gets old
[04:05] <hardran3> quuxman, Thats true. I do it for my netbook and it runs much better.
[04:05] <quuxman> hardran3: my fingers get tired of typing out all those packages that I use but don't think about using until I have to install them. ON a netbook I'd be totally willing to do the work, because a lot of those packages I wouldn't be using
[04:05] <quuxman> hardran3: I don't own a netbook though
[04:06] <quuxman> hardran3: just two laptops and a slate, and an OLPC which I'm so frustrated with I can't even find someone to give it away to
[04:06] <quuxman> I'm tempted to light the OLPC on fire
[04:07] <quuxman> but someone already did that on youtube, so I don't know WTF to do with it
[04:07] <iconmefisto> quuxman: ebay, 10 cents :)
[04:07] <hardran3> quuxman, ha. My desktop died so my sole machine is a atom n270 netbook with 1.5GB RAM and an 8 GB ssd. Try that :(
[04:07] <quuxman> hardran3: that sounds pretty sweet
[04:07] <scopecreep> do a montage where you smash it to the song "damn it feels good to be a gangster" a la office space
[04:07] <quuxman> hardran3: you can compute on the go... Ever work at the local cafe?
[04:08] <quuxman> scopecreep: hey, that's a good idea
[04:08] <quuxman> scopecreep: you're a genious
[04:08] <scopecreep> id watch it
[04:08] <scopecreep> too bad i can only use my genius for misc electronic equipment
[04:08] <scopecreep> ^destroying
[04:09] <quuxman> scopecreep: want me to mail you my OLPC?
[04:09] <bryanr> how do i copy from windows 7 vm and paste into wine program files? my bi-directional clipboard doesn't seem to let me
[04:09] <scopecreep> haha if i had a camera i would seriously do it
[04:09] <quuxman> scopecreep: yeah, I don't have a good video camera... just a cheapo canon point+shoot than happens to do 640x480 video but wasn't designed for it really
[04:09] <quuxman> I probably have a friend with a Canon SLR that could do good video
[04:10] <quuxman> I guess I also have a tripod and a reasonable mic too
[04:10] <iconmefisto> bryanr: tried asking in #vbox about the clipboard problem?
[04:10] <abhijain> hello
[04:11] <bryanr> vbox
[04:11] <bryanr> ok
[04:11] <abhijain> is ubuntu10.4 is avaialblae for download??
[04:12] <quuxman> hardran3: One of my laptops is an old PowerBook with an old altivec powerpc chip that won't even run the latest Flash bullshit
[04:12] <quuxman> hardran3: I'd consider yourself lucky
[04:12] <iconmefisto> abhijain: see !topic
[04:12] <miked595> how come the default search engine in firefox was changed to yahoo?
[04:12] <quuxman> miked595: very good question. I was wondering the same damn thing
[04:12] <iconmefisto> miked595: $$$
[04:12] <abhijain> abhijain: i m new user for ubuntu
[04:13] <miked595> iconmefisto: i was thinking they were paid off too lol
[04:13] <quuxman> miked595: and even more to the point: how the hell do I change it so that ctrl+k also does what I want?
[04:13] <hardran3> quuxman, Lucid runs great on it so I am happy.
[04:13] <quuxman> hardran3: yeah indeed
[04:13] <miked595> quuxman: ctrl  +k?
[04:13] <ActionParsnip> !shortcut | miked595
[04:13] <quuxman> miked595: keyboard shortcut for search, which hideously enough does a Yahoo search even after you've selected Google in the search bar
[04:14] <iconmefisto> miked595: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2010-January/030065.html
[04:14] <quuxman> miked595: mabye I'll file it as a bug some day
[04:14] <quuxman> I think Firefox is having a secret affair with Yahoo
[04:15] <miked595> quuxman: hmm never used it since the search is right there...
[04:15] <quuxman> miked595: I liked to hide the nav bar
[04:15] <quuxman> miked595: until it started misbehaving
[04:15] <abhijain> how can we apply for ubuntu bootabloe dvd ??
[04:16] <miked595> quuxman: i have been use google chrome lately .. it starts much faster and uses less memory
[04:16] <abhijain> we want to organise workshop on ubuntu
[04:16] <iconmefisto> abhijain: http://cdimages.ubuntu.com/releases/lucid/rc/
[04:16] <quuxman> mininessie: so, what's so great about this mint distro?
[04:17] <quuxman> I figured mininessie was campaigning for something.... but now it's gone
[04:17] <miked595> iconmefisto: revenue sharing .. lol
[04:18] <ActionParsnip> abhijain: shippit (you may have to wait for release day / week)
[04:18] <miked595> iconmefisto: whatever it takes to make that paper
[04:20] <quuxman> oh... it's an affair between Canonical and Yahoo
[04:20] <quuxman> the question is, what's the command in lucid to change the default search provider?
[04:20] <quuxman> where's the config file where that's stored?
[04:21] <quuxman> I want one or the other
[04:22] <miked595> quuxman: "It's literally 2 easily discoverable clicks to change this setting, a simple matter of switching to that search provider in the chrome by clicking on the icon and choosing the desired provider."
[04:22] <iconmefisto> quuxman: about:config in firefox
[04:22] <quuxman> iconmefisto: that's not a command I can run from my default terminal, nor is it a config file
[04:22] <quuxman> that irks me
[04:22] <miked595> The "Chrome" is Mozilla's term for the little search box to the upper right quuxman
[04:22] <quuxman> and clicking the gogole icon in chrome didn't work for me
[04:22] <quuxman> I'm still getting the bloody Yahoo page
[04:22] <ActionParsnip> quuxman: He added that the Ubuntu team would revert back to Google as the default search provider by the final code freeze of Lucid Lynx on 15 April
[04:23] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: oh, nice
[04:23] <ActionParsnip> quuxman: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/04/08/ubuntu_yahoo_google_lucid_lynx/
[04:23] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: still, I want a command to switch search providers. What if I don't want to use Google?
[04:23] <crdlb> quuxman: why can't you do it from the UI?
[04:24] <ActionParsnip> quuxman: yahoo are paying canonical
[04:24] <miked595> quuxman: i just did it in firefox .. not sre what you mean?
[04:24] <quuxman> crdlb: because I want to write a script for my friends who I know have similar preferences that I do
[04:25] <francisco> Hi room...is it ok to ask for help for java install  with ubuntu10.04 here?
[04:25] <quuxman> crdlb: to make some basic changes to a default Ubuntu install
[04:25] <ActionParsnip> quuxman: i use chromium so dont have this issue ;)
[04:25] <quuxman> miked595: write me a 3 line bash program to do it, is what I mean
[04:26] <quuxman> or is this simply a Firefox setting. From that article it sounded like something beyond Firefox
[04:26] <hardran3> quuxman, just firefox i think
[04:26] <iconmefisto> quuxman: it's a firefox setting
[04:26] <miked595> quuxman: #!/bin/bash ; sudo reboot; exit
[04:27] <AngryPunk__> lol
[04:28] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: how far along is Chromium?
[04:28] <ActionParsnip> quuxman: not sure what that means. it runs fine here
[04:29] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: what hardware are you running?
[04:29] <iconmefisto> quuxman: I think ActionParsnip is referring to chromium-browser, not the os
[04:30] <miked595> quuxman: I think I was able to reproduce your issue
[04:30] <quuxman> miked595: yeah...
[04:30] <francisco> !rules
[04:30] <quuxman> miked595: am I doing something stupid?
[04:31] <quuxman> miked595: I tend to do that when using computers
[04:31] <miked595> quuxman: If i turn off the navi bar so the chrome bar is not showing in firefox when I hit crtl +k I at taken to google.com/firefox
[04:31] <miked595> quuxman: is that what you mean?
[04:32] <quuxman> miked595: hold on, in order to reproduce it I have to set up Internet on my Lucid machine
[04:32] <ActionParsnip> quuxman: amd semp 3000 2Gb DDR2 Nvidia 6150 512Mb runs flash 64bit fine and java 64bit fine (all native)
[04:32] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: are you running Chromium OS?
[04:33] <ActionParsnip> quuxman: no, chromium browser, no yahoo nonesense (although yahoo isnt a bad engine at all)
[04:34] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: yeah, I just like a way to reliably choose between them, such that the chrome and the keyboard shortcut do the same thing. I could be entirely mistaken about Firefox not doing this
[04:34] <miked595> quuxman: I found a post that explains how to fix and I tested it. it works
[04:35] <miked595> ActionParsnip: chrome is the search bar in firefox... quuxman was not referring to google chrome
[04:35] <ActionParsnip> quuxman: ive used chrome os in a virtualbox. its pretty limited imho
[04:35] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: I bet it'll get better. I see where Google is going with it
[04:36] <quuxman> If they can control the browser _and_ the OS, they can significantly improve user interactions
[04:36] <miked595> quuxman: http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/forum/1/360839
[04:36] <quuxman> and somehow profit?
[04:36] <quuxman> miked595: thanks for the link :). Now I just need to figure out why Lucid isn't connecting to the Internet
[04:36] <miked595> quuxman: change the link in <SearchForm> tag in  /usr/lib/firefox-addons/searchplugins/en-US/google.xml
[04:37] <ActionParsnip> quuxman: check DNS, i've seen a few dns issues on launchpad, add 8.8.8.8 and 8.8.4.4 to your nameservers in /etc/resolv.conf to test
[04:38] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: yeah, those are my favorite DNS servers
[04:38] <miked595> level3 is still giving public recursive name servers?
[04:39] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: I mean my favorite emergency ones. I typically use whatever default my ISP hands me with DHCP
[04:39] <Zelozelos> im lookin at the fusion icon, im sure you heard ths q b4, but what exactly is indirect rendering and loose binding?
[04:40] <miked595> I like using my own DNS resolvers since I don't trust comcast lol
[04:40] <quuxman> miked595: well you're smarter than I am
[04:40] <quuxman> miked595: :)
[04:40] <litropy> When I term: gdmsetup, i get a bunch of errors related to "The name org.gnome.DisplayManager was not provided by any .service files" and it will not allow me to Unlock so I can choose my session manager. This begun shortly after I installed kubuntu-netbook.
[04:41] <josephnexus> hello everyone
[04:41] <josephnexus> I had a webcam working in 9.10 with skype
[04:41] <josephnexus> that same webcam works in cheese in 10.04, but doesn't appear to be detected by skype, any ideas?
[04:42] <crdlb> litropy: it is exactly as I suspected then; installing kubuntu-netbook installed and activated kdm, the kde display manager
[04:42] <CyberKitsune> hello
[04:42] <josephnexus> hi there!
[04:43] <CyberKitsune> the new bootup splash system is reset to the wrong resolution, how can I correct this?
[04:43] <litropy> crdlb, I have dpkg-reconfigure gdm and kdm and made sure gdm is set to the default
[04:43] <josephnexus> the same happened to me when I installed the nvidia proprietary drivers
[04:43] <josephnexus> is that when it happened to you?
[04:43] <CyberKitsune> yes.
[04:43] <CyberKitsune> Also, is there any other theme for it than the "purple" ubuntu theme, I don't quite like it, I thought I saw a blackish one somewhere...
[04:43] <josephnexus> it could be simply that the driver doesn't support the fancier bootup
[04:44] <crdlb> litropy: check your process list: is gdm, kdm, or neither running?
[04:44] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: I'm pretty sure the issue is more involved. It could be a hardware problem. My wireless refuses to connect to a network that my other laptop has no problem with, and my other laptop says it has a lower signal strength
[04:44] <josephnexus> regarding the theme, simply right click on the desktop background and go to the appearance tab
[04:44] <josephnexus> ok CyberKitsune?
[04:44] <litropy> crdlb: furthermore, my cursor and load cursor is kde- - just themed. Which I don't mind - just giving as much info as I can.
[04:44] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: it's an unsecured network, so it's not an authentication problem
[04:45] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: I need to do some more testing on it
[04:45] <josephnexus> anyone have any ideas regarding my skype issue?
[04:45] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: sometimes the cable works, sometimes it doesn't, but I'm using my other laptop as a firewall, so that could easily be another problem
[04:46] <quuxman> ActionParsnip: what I need to do is test it with a reliable Ethernet connection
[04:46] <litropy> CRDLB: no kdm nor gdm running in processes
[04:46] <miked595> quuxman: you try by-passing the switch and route and hooking directly to the internet connection?
[04:46] <CyberKitsune> What is the name of the new boot logo system?
[04:46] <quuxman> miked595: can't do that where I am. I'm borrowing wireless from a neighbor
[04:47] <quuxman> miked595: who's unaware of said borrowing AFAIK
[04:47] <josephnexus> isn't it usplash?
[04:47] <hardran3> plymouth
[04:47] <miked595> quuxman: borrow huh? when u giving it back?
[04:47] <CyberKitsune> usplash isn't even i-- ah
[04:47] <quuxman> miked595: when I find / pay for another connection
[04:47] <quuxman> miked595: I'm borrowing bandwidth usage
[04:47] <quuxman> CyberKitsune: I had the same problem
[04:48] <quuxman> CyberKitsune: when you figure out how to wrestle plymouth into submission, send me a msg
[04:48] <josephnexus> that's right, it is plymouth
[04:48] <josephnexus> my bad
[04:48] <josephnexus> sry
[04:48]  * josephnexus knows nothing...
[04:48] <litropy> crdlb: gnome session is Sleeping, poll-schedule timeout
[04:48] <quuxman> CyberKitsune: I want plymouth to show me the old style text messages about what daemons are starting
[04:49] <miked595> quuxman: lol @ borrow.. like borrowing water from a river .. already gone  .. maybe they have too many other people "borrowing" the connection
[04:49] <litropy> crdlb: and no kdm nor gdm
[04:49] <crdlb> litropy: nothing even starting with gdm or kdm? that dbus service is provided by 'gdm-binary' on my system
[04:49] <quuxman> miked595: nah, it's always pretty lag free
[04:49] <quuxman> miked595: that's why I'm not really borrowing it either. Do you have a better word? I've wondered about how to say this before
[04:50] <nishanth> does anyone know if there is a way to completely reinstall the OS ?
[04:50] <josephnexus> nishath... format and reinstall?
[04:50] <litropy>  crdlb: can I term my processes so I can paste them up?
[04:50] <josephnexus> ps aux litropy
[04:51] <nishanth> josephnexus : yes complete reinstallation
[04:51] <josephnexus> just type: ps aux in a terminal
[04:51] <josephnexus> nishrath, just grab your ubuntu disk, and put it in
[04:51] <josephnexus> during the install, it will give you an option to erase the entire disk and reinstall
[04:51] <josephnexus> just be sure to make backups of any data that is important to you
[04:51] <miked595> quuxman: i'm not a stickler for words.. you can use borrow. access maybe better though. and when I referred to too many other logged into the neighbors wifi i mean in the dhcp reservations. They may have just run out of IPs alloted.
[04:51] <nishanth> josephnexus: i dont have a lucid disk
[04:51] <josephnexus> you will probably need to create one
[04:52] <josephnexus> or use a jump drive
[04:52] <quuxman> miked595: huh, curious. Wouldn't that mean I'd get higher IPs though? I usually get assigned 5 through 12 or so
[04:52] <quuxman> miked595: anyway, I'm supposed to go have dinner with a friend. I'll hike my Lucid laptop over there.
[04:53] <xsacha> i just installed an update that changed grubs config file and didnt realise it removed all my operating systems. how do i get it to auto generate a config file on my hard drive from a livecd?
[04:53] <miked595> quuxman:  that depends on the DHCP server and how many IPs are left in the pool. ususally your mac will get the same one until it expirses and someone else grabs it
[04:53] <quuxman> miked595: oh right. I should know this stuff
[04:53] <quuxman> Is there a suspend to disk command in lucid?
[04:53] <josephnexus> hibernate isn'
[04:53] <josephnexus> t it?
[04:54] <josephnexus> just hit the icon in the top right and select it...
[04:54] <josephnexus> at least, it is there in mine....
[04:54] <litropy> josephnexus: crdlb: kdm showed running as root (which is I suspect why it's not showing in sysmon) paste upcoming
[04:54] <quuxman> josephnexus: I don't have an icon up there. I'm not running the default window manager
[04:54] <miked595> never got that working in linux
[04:54] <quuxman> miked595: yeah, but Ubuntu is supposed to make these things easy, right?
[04:54] <josephnexus> ah... quuxman, I have no clue them
[04:55] <xsacha> quuxman: well the default top menu has a power button on the right hand side with an option 'Suspend'
[04:55] <litropy> crdlb: wow, pastebin.com: We are currently upgrading our software, we will return in a few minutes.We are currently upgrading our software,
[04:55] <quuxman> xsacha: I don't have the default menus. I'm not running the default window manager
[04:55] <miked595> quuxman: not sure if this is an ubuntu issue and more of a linux issue with different hardware
[04:56] <crdlb> litropy: there are a gazillion others, but I don't really need to see it if you have kdm running
[04:56] <quuxman> miked595: yeah, there's a hibernate package... let's see what that does
[04:56] <crdlb> litropy: have you rebooted since running dpkg-reconfigure gdm?
[04:56] <miked595> quuxman: shouldnt need to install anything for hibernate but i dont know for sure
[04:56] <xsacha> quuxman: im sure you mean something else as i still have a top menu without a window manager
[04:57] <xsacha> top bar
[04:57] <quuxman> xsacha: I think we mean different things by "window manager"
[04:57] <quuxman> xsacha: because usually your whole X11 session dies when you kill your window manager
[04:57] <quuxman> xsacha: so I'm pretty sure you have one
[04:57] <miked595> gnome is a window manager
[04:57] <crdlb> that's not so usual
[04:57] <xsacha> quuxman: do you mean your desktop environment? gnome?
[04:58] <quuxman> xsacha: no, I mean the thing that moves your windows around
[04:58] <xsacha> yeah well i can kill that just fine.. so i dunno
[04:58] <quuxman> xsacha: the program that deals with placement, resizing, focusing, and virtual desktops
[04:58] <crdlb> quuxman: that is the case with the classic window managers (fvwm, fluxbox, etc), but not with desktop environments like gnome, kde, and xfce
[04:58] <miked595> quuxman: you hand moves ur mouse around
[04:58] <quuxman> xsacha: I prefer X11 to die when my window manager dies
[04:58] <quuxman> miked595: I didn't say anything about moving the cursor around. X11 handles that
[04:59] <xsacha> i prefer the ability to restart my window manager :\ but still, it doesnt affect whether you have a shutdown menu
[04:59] <quuxman> xsacha: actually, I don't really care either way, because the window manager I use has basically never crashed, and it has a restart command that enables it to restart without killing X11
[04:59] <miked595> sudo /etc/init.d/gdm restart ftw
[04:59] <litropy> crdlb: I had before. I'll reboot anyway, just to be sure. btw, I usually boot into kde, so I have to log out then log back in ... sometimes I have to ctrlaltf1 stop gdm start kdm so I can choose ubuntu nbr as my session manager. but here's the root of the issue: it doesn't boot into ubuntu netbook. Instead, it boots into regular gnome. I'll wait for your response before reboot, crdlb
[05:00] <litropy> make that "I usually, undesireably, boot into kde"
[05:01] <xsacha> quuxman: mine has never crashed. i kill it on purpose to load a different one (i.e. switch to compiz). but how does this affect your shutdown menu?
[05:01] <crdlb> litropy: I'm not familiar with UNR, but I would expect there to be an option for it in the session list in gdm
[05:01] <crdlb> litropy: also, you're saying that you _do_ get gdm by default upon boot?
[05:01] <litropy> crdlb: There is. I choose it. And it instead, boots into regular gnome
[05:01] <litropy> ... which is also an option in the chooser
[05:02] <litropy> crdlb: yes, I do
[05:02] <litropy> crdlb: but after I click my name, it logs into kde
[05:02] <quuxman> xsacha: I don't run the default menus. I don't like them
[05:02] <quuxman> xsacha: I don't run most gnome stuff
[05:02] <litropy> crdlb: gdm doesn't have a session chooser
[05:02] <crdlb> litropy: it does after you enter your name
[05:03] <crdlb> at the bottom
[05:03] <quuxman> xsacha: by default the default window manager starts those menus, so when I choose a different one they don't get started. That's what it has to do with it?
[05:03] <litropy> crdlb: which is why I have to start kdm to choose unr
[05:03] <crdlb> (confused me at first too)
[05:03] <xsacha> quuxman: so your problem is that the shutdown menu you're using doesn't have suspend? or you don't have a shutdown menu? and u want to use a terminal command for suspend?
[05:03] <litropy> crdlb: it logs in right after I click
[05:03] <quuxman> xsacha: I don't have a shutdown menu. I prefer to shutdown my computer from a terminal
[05:03] <quuxman> xsacha: I figured out my problem. I need to configure swap before hibernate will work
[05:04] <litropy> crdlb: It's not a name entry. It's a user chooser. And I'm the only user in the list
[05:04] <quuxman> xsacha: I didn't bother specifying a swap partition during the install because I didn't want to repartition the old disk I was using
[05:04] <litropy> crdlb: and when I click, it auto-logs in
[05:04] <ninjai_> Okay guys I really need some help... My laptop has a very difficult itme booting live cd's and i dont know why.  Ubuntu usually does strange things (like infinite black screen, random repeating text depending on the distro) and any knoppix flavour gives me "Can't find KNOPPIX filesysytem, sorry.  dropping you to a very lmited shell
[05:04] <ninjai_> any thoughts?
[05:04] <xsacha> quuxman: you can use a swp file for swsup
[05:05] <xsacha> quuxman: nevermind, it cant on ubuntu
[05:05] <crdlb> litropy: ok, let me do some digging
[05:05] <quuxman> xsacha: you mean uswsusp? I was instructed by dpkg to set up a userspace swap file and then to reconfigure uswsusp
[05:06] <litropy> crdlb: thank you very much for your assistance
[05:08] <CyberKitsune> quuxman, sudo update-alternatives --config default.plymouth
[05:09] <CyberKitsune> There is a text theme I think
[05:09] <quuxman> CyberKitsune: thanks a ton
[05:09] <quuxman> CyberKitsune: I'll check that out
[05:09] <CyberKitsune> oh wait, they removed the alts in latest update it seems
[05:11] <quuxman> xsacha: would it be possible to resize my primary ext4 partition which is on /dev/sda1 to fit in a swap? I have a /dev/sda3 ext3 which mounts to /home, and a NTFS on /dev/sda2
[05:11] <crdlb> litropy: ok, I'm not positive how your gdm has been configured, but you should be able to run 'gdmsetup' from within kde to change it (as long as gdm is running)
[05:12] <xsacha> quuxman: sure, just resize in gparted, it does everything for you
[05:12] <quuxman> xsacha: alternatively I could resize my /home partition which is almost full, but it's ext3. I don't trust resizing NTFS... that would probably break windows
[05:12] <xsacha> i even resized an ntfs in gparted but not sure if that always works
[05:12] <quuxman> xsacha: oh yes, I've used that util before. Forgot the name of it
[05:13] <litropy> crdlb: will try and be back shortly.
[05:13] <gartral|p> i need some serious help, x keeps crashing on load and relavent logs are empty/not right.  this was a fresh install of the rc iso
[05:13] <quuxman> how do I disable all sounds for gnome stuff?
[05:13] <quuxman> I'm pretty thrilled that they work by default, but I still want to be able to turn them off
[05:14] <quuxman> back in Karmic they didn't work at all
[05:14] <scnags> what are  the packages that i should put a hold on if i want poulsbo to still work・
[05:14] <crdlb> quuxman: yeah, I don't understand why that setting is enabled by default within gtk
[05:14] <scnags> while still upgrading userland to lucid
[05:14] <quuxman> crdlb: I should probably have turned off sound before I wiped out the control menu
[05:14] <scnags> yofel
[05:15] <crdlb> quuxman: normally, the XSettings daemon takes care of disabling it, but without one you can either set it in ~/gtkrc-2.0 or uninstall the libcanberra-gtk-module (or something like that) package
[05:15] <crdlb> quuxman: that wouldn't have helped
[05:16] <quuxman> crdlb: oh, I didn't even know the Xsettings daemon existed. I figured there was something like that, but didn't know the name. Is there a general puprose front-end for it, possibly a command line interface?
[05:17] <bryanr> how can I be sure that these extra social features of 10.04 aren't a distraction or a waste of resources/power? I don't see how this tight affiliation with hyped up social sites is worth being built in.
[05:17] <crdlb> quuxman: there isn't any one XSettings daemon, it's something provided by gnome, xfce and maybe kde
[05:17] <gartral|p> no matter what i do this damn problem keeps coming up
[05:17] <bryanr> especially because some of them are temporary nuances
[05:18] <quuxman> crdlb: aaaaah. I know there are certain gnome processes that seem to spawn a cascade of other processes
[05:18] <quuxman> crdlb: but have never dug in to what's actually going on
[05:18] <trism> quuxman: the gnome desktop sounds? (the ones you can configure in System/Preferences/Sounds); you can turn those off with gconftool-2 --set -t bool /desktop/gnome/sound/event_sounds false;
[05:18] <quuxman> trism: sweet
[05:18] <crdlb> quuxman: gnome-settings-daemon does it for gnome
[05:18] <crdlb> that gconf key will only work if gnome-settings-daemon is running
[05:19] <quuxman> trism: huh... gparted is still making the warning noise when I run it when it's not root
[05:19] <xsacha> i updated something in synaptic and now grub only shows memtest in menu (no linux). i went in with livecd and chroot to update-grub2. it only finds memtest :\
[05:19] <quuxman> trism: but the command did not error
[05:19] <crdlb> quuxman: try this, except use ~/.gtkrc-2.0 instead of the filename provided: http://forum.kde.org/viewtopic.php?p=132816&sid=ef59d0a96af84787c83761c200c7f6ad#p132816
[05:20] <xsj> amule say:Impossible to set permissions for the file '/media/software/TDDOWNLOAD/temp/042.part.met.bak' (error 1: 不允许的操作)
[05:20] <xsj> what is worry?
[05:21] <bryanr> "We consider this release candidate to be complete, stable, and suitable for testing by any user."       so then it is ok to install 10.04 now? there is no point in waiting right?
[05:21] <gartral|p> damnit, am i alone on this problem?
[05:21] <quuxman> crdlb: thanks... that worked. Schw33t, I now have silent computer
[05:22] <quuxman> I'm a little excited about Lucid
[05:22] <quuxman> it needs a lot of polishing though
[05:22] <quuxman> damn, I'm late for dinner
[05:24] <gartral|p> i have a regression. regarding a device called magicjack. it seems too be causing issues with x at boot
[05:26] <miked595> gartral|p: magicjack works with linux? thought it was for windows
[05:29] <gartral|p> well, im working on a wine patch for pol. so far i can pipe audio too the phone handset, but cant read
[05:31] <litropy> crdlb: Okay, so after reboot, it auto-logged into either straight GNOME or Ubuntu Netbook Edition. It looks like GNOME because the windows are behaving like GNOME (I have titlebars, whereas UNR's titlebar goes straight into the panel. However, netbook-launcher did load up. Still have KDE cursor. I was able to Unlock gdmsetup, which was set to KDE. I chose Ubuntu Netbook Edition and rebooted....
[05:31] <litropy> ...Still logged into what I think is straight GNOME, yet evidently netbook-launcher is set as a starup app.
[05:32] <litropy> and gdmsetup does have Ubuntu Netbook Edition set as its default now
[05:32] <enav> hi
[05:32] <litropy> crdlb: so I need to figure out whether I'm logged into straight GNOME, or whether Ubuntu Netbook Edition's custom window behavior is acting up
[05:33] <enav> this is english or spanish?
[05:33] <SwedeMike> english
[05:33] <litropy> enav: There's likely a Spanish speaker here
[05:33] <SalmonSam> is there a way to disable the compiz blacklist checks in ubuntu 10.04?
[05:33] <crdlb> litropy: in a terminal echo $GDMSESSION
[05:33] <SwedeMike> litropy: please don't encourage people to speak spanish in here.
[05:34] <pepee> crdlb, had problems with gtk... solved by editting that file
[05:34] <litropy> SwedeMike: yes sir.
[05:34] <pepee> enav, #ubuntu-es
[05:34] <litropy> crdlb: une-efl
[05:34] <litropy> ah, good to know, pepee
[05:34] <litropy> crdlb: looks like UNE, then :)
[05:34] <crdlb> yep
[05:34] <enav> i need some help.... i was upgrading my ubuntu to 10.04 and my energy service fail... so my system is damaged.... im trying to make a backup of my home folder to another HDD i have no permissions to do that
[05:35] <enav> there is a way to resume the upgrade process?
[05:36] <SalmonSam> has there been any progress on https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/compiz/+bug/297234
[05:36] <litropy> crdlb: thank you for all your help. I'll TS this @ a later date.
[05:36] <SalmonSam> ?
[05:37] <pepee> enav, energy system fail esta mal escrito
[05:37] <pepee> seria algo como "power outage"
[05:37] <enav> well my electric service fail
[05:37] <pepee> enav, puedo mandarte pm?
[05:37] <enav> yes why not
[05:40] <SwedeMike> !es | pepee
[05:40] <pepee> yeah, I know
[05:40] <pepee> I'm trying to help him
[05:40] <crdlb> SalmonSam: the functionality of the old compiz wrapper has been patched into the compiz binary, but the black list override feature was omitted
[05:40] <crdlb> and I haven't the faintest clue why
[05:41] <SalmonSam> ouch ok thanks
[05:41] <bullgard4> After booting top shows a process 'flush-1:0'. What does this process effect?
[05:41] <SalmonSam> guess I won't be using compiz anymore :\
[05:43] <litropy> crdlb: the program that's not working properly is called maximus. I have aptitude reinstall maximus and am now rebooting
[05:44] <ninjai_> whats the command to list installed packages?
[05:44] <crdlb> ninjai_: dpkg -l is one way
[05:44] <ninjai_> thx
[05:44] <crdlb> ninjai_: what are you planning on doing with the list?
[05:45] <ninjai_> crdlb: checking if nvidia drivers are installed
[05:45] <pepee> what options are good for fsck to check broken file systems without touching it?
[05:48] <bullgard4> pepee: Does man fsck not tell you that?
[05:49] <pepee> yep, but I want recommendations
[05:49] <pepee> I want to be sure...
[05:50] <bullgard4> pepee: If a person in this channel tells you something about fsck that contradicts 'man fasck' then it is rarely more reliable than 'man fack'.
[05:51] <bullgard4> s/fasck/fsck/
[05:51] <pepee> ok, thanks...
[05:52] <bullgard4> After booting top shows a process 'flush-1:0'. What does this process effect?
[05:52] <SandGorgon> anybody using 2.6.34 kernel here ?
[06:27] <Maroven> hello all
[06:28] <ddecator> hey Maroven
[06:31] <vega> just installed 10.04 from scratch, did nothing but enabled nvidia restricted drivers, after reboot blank screen and no response from machine, can't even ping
[06:31] <vega> suggestions?
[06:31] <Dr_Willis> use rescue mode.. get to console. update, and upgrade. and reboot..
[06:32] <vega> upgrade?
[06:32] <vega> it was installed 5min ago from network
[06:35] <vega> "recover mode" boot does the _exact_ same thing, no help there
[06:35] <vega> +y
[06:35] <mikedep333> hey, how do I enable XDMCP (remote X) in kubuntu lucid?
[06:35] <vega> it just displays kernel messages but after that, same blank screen
[06:35] <ddecator> that sounds like the same issue someone had last night..
[06:35] <mikedep333> the server side that is
[06:36] <bullgard4> After booting top shows a process 'flush-1:0'. What does this process effect?
[06:37] <vega> hm, i wonder if having two nvidia cards screw this up (one integrated and one pci)
[06:38] <vega> but what i don't get is that networking doesn't start.. how does broken x also break network?
[06:45] <voss749> I had 50mb of downloads on the day the RC was supposed to be released, I have 150mb today
[06:45] <Maroven> hi which day was the RC released, is it called Beta 2 also?
[06:45] <DanaG> vega: PCI, or PCI Express?
[06:45] <voss749> No RC is release candidate not beta 2
[06:46] <Maroven> k which day was that released
[06:46] <voss749> thursday
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> Hmm, uprws/upgraded here. had a few updates.. and one interesting line...
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> unopkg done.
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> Segmentation fault
[06:46] <Dr_Willis> Not sure what faulted.. :) but it finished the update
[06:46] <Maroven> lol up to thursday morn about 6am i had beta2 on
[06:46] <vega> DanaG: pce-e
[06:46] <Maroven> caused a system lockup every 30 minutes
[06:47] <Maroven> the intel gma hd integrated video on a new nv7915u gateway laptop
[06:47] <DanaG> One thing to watch out for: you can't mix way-different-generation cards.
[06:47] <voss749> maroven that was a problem with something causing a memory leak
[06:47] <DanaG> Ah.
[06:47] <Maroven> that was fixed?
[06:47] <DanaG> That's different.. I thought you meant like 6200 IGP plus an FX5200 or such. =þ
[06:47] <DanaG> That would be a real recipe for breakage.
[06:47] <vega> last thing in Xorg.0.log is ddxSigGiveUp: Closing log
[06:47] <DanaG> Consider checking your BIOS for video card switch.
[06:47] <voss749> maroven, intel GimmeMoreAnguish
[06:48] <vega> i just want to use the internal card, not the pci-e one
[06:48] <Maroven> rofl
[06:48] <vega> the internal is also primary in bios
[06:48] <meanburrito920> So I just rebooted my computer, and when I got to the gnome login screen, I was met, not with the standard purple background, but with some sort of white flower. how do I change this?
[06:48] <Maroven> so vos is the leak fixed now
[06:48] <voss749> Maroven, my laptop has an nvidia 8200m chipset its a nice difference if a bit hotter running
[06:48] <Maroven> no more system lockups?
[06:49] <Dr_Willis> meanburrito920:  ive noticed somthing odder then that.. I get GDM with the purplsish wallpaper  -> login -> i see a white flower wallpaper for a few moments -> gnome loads and changes to my selected wallpaper
[06:49] <Maroven> this laptop is 549 at bestbuy
[06:50] <meanburrito920> Dr_Willis: I'm hoping that the flower is dev release only, because I'd rather have something else as my login screen. Not that it isnt a nice picture.
[06:50] <meanburrito920> I'm assuming there is some way to change this?
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> I dont see it at GDM. I see it  after gdm and befor user settings get loaded.
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> I perfer nice solid colors. :)
[06:50] <Dr_Willis> BRB
[06:51] <vega> also, the log is full of noveau stuff, not a single mention about nvidia drivers
[06:51] <voss749> I dunno
[06:51] <voss749> I think its fixed in the rc
[06:51] <DanaG> vega: hmm, try blacklisting nouveau?
[06:52] <DanaG> make a file /etc/modprobe.d/custom.conf
[06:52] <voss749> Maroven, I also know intel drivers are sometimes a bit buggy
[06:52] <DanaG> with the line "blacklist nouveau"
[06:52] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. now even weirder.. on THIS pc  - i see some orange flower right after login screen - befor user settings take affect
[06:52] <gartral> ok, something is seriously wrong with ubuntu usb, my phone isnt recieving enough power to actually charge
[06:52] <DanaG> For a while, I had a random rooster as my gdm wallpaper.
[06:52] <voss749> vega, switch to the nvidia drivers nouveau is constipated
[06:53] <DanaG> Better stability: switch to the intel GPU.
[06:53] <vega> DanaG: is it just "blacklist noueveau"
[06:53] <DanaG> yeah, "blacklist nouveau"
[06:53] <DanaG> and then sudo update-initramfs -u
[06:53] <vega> (they should come up with a name less error-prone ...)
[06:53] <voss749> dana, intel gpu is suitable for what exactly?
[06:53] <DanaG> Good for compiz, at least.
[06:53] <DanaG> And good battery life.
[06:54] <gartral> very basic browsing
[06:54] <DanaG> And damn near instant suspend/resume.
[06:54] <vega> hmm, i'm booting from usb stick, wonder if that will work with chroot
[06:54] <meanburrito920> Dr_Willis: did you recently install the ubuntu-wallpaper-extras package?
[06:54] <DanaG> if all else fails, you can make an xorg.conf.
[06:54] <Dr_Willis> meanburrito920:  not recently - proberly a week or 2 ago
[06:54] <ninjai_> pastebin is down.... fail
[06:55] <meanburrito920> because it appears as though the image I am getting is actually a desktop background pic provided by that package
[06:55] <vega> i have a working xorg.conf for nvidia drivers, used in same machine with 9.10 successfully, it didn't work with 10.04
[06:56] <Dr_Willis> meanburrito920:  yes. they are  - :) i  have explored them. and the  flowers are from that package
[06:59] <voss749> vega, because 10.04 replaced the nvidia drivers with the nouveau drivers
[06:59] <brush> hello
[07:00] <brush> anybody with ubuntu with dell latitude d820 with working wifi?
[07:01] <brush> i see every wireless network but unable to connect to the networks...
[07:02] <vega> voss749: yees.. so much i've figured out here :)
[07:03] <voss749> vega, just go ahead and reinstall the nvidia drivers
[07:06] <brush> hey guys... i need help to use wifi on my d820 please...  without wifi, i have to reinstall win7...
[07:11] <histo> How do I get my speaker output to be my microphone input?
[07:12] <DanaG> Magic?
[07:12] <gartral> histo: dies yiur card support that?
[07:12] <vega> voss749: yeah.. how when i'm not able to boot?
[07:12] <histo> gartral: I dunnno
[07:12] <voss749> vega boot in vesa mode
[07:12] <gartral> histo run sudo lshw | audio
[07:13] <vega> voss749: something to grub command line?
[07:13] <gartral> histo run sudo lshw | grep audio (sorry)
[07:13] <histo> gartral: yeah capabilities: removable audio cd-r cd-rw dvd dvd-r dvd-ram
[07:13] <voss749> failsafe
[07:14] <vega> i did boot using stick, chrooted, blacklisted noueveueuea, updated initramfs, created xorg.conf, same result
[07:14] <histo> gartral: is the only output are you lookign for the type of soundcard I have?
[07:14] <jason86> is there a command to restore the plymouth theme back to it's default?
[07:14] <histo> gartral: its nvidia mcp65 high definition audio
[07:15] <ddecator> jason86: the plymouth themes are various packages
[07:15] <jason86> i'm not seeing the loading with the dots anymore
[07:16] <jason86> the screen goes from black straight to the log-in screen
[07:16] <Maroven> hey is there any way to get the new intel drivers in 10.04 RC onto 9.10?
[07:16] <NucWin> i just removed volume from the menu bar how can i get it back??? was trying to remove jsut the bluetooth icon :(
[07:18] <Dr_Willis> NucWin:  if you want just the volme - theres a program you can run that adds an applet.
[07:18] <NucWin> it was there untill i removed
[07:18] <histo> Can't figure out how to do this in lucid
[07:19] <histo> very little sound options
[07:19] <NucWin> though i was removing the bluetooth icon
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/03/how-to-remove-social-network-features.html
[07:19] <histo> Need a virtual loopback from my speakers to my mic
[07:19] <Dr_Willis> NucWin:  you may of removed the systemtray thing
[07:19] <ddecator> jason86: if you go in synaptic and search for plymouth, what packages do you have installed?
[07:20] <ddecator> NucWin: that probably removed the indicator applet (bluetooth might be in it?). instead, bluetooth has a setting to not show the icon in the panel
[07:20] <Dr_Willis> gnome-volume-control-applet is the old tray applet. just add it to sessions.
[07:20] <ddecator> the sound applet is in the indicator applet now
[07:21] <histo> Are you talking to me Dr_Willis ?
[07:21] <vega> voss
[07:21] <vega> doh
[07:21] <NucWin> ace thanks ddecator :)
[07:21] <histo> new sound preferences has no jack options
[07:22] <gartral> my computer isnt giving full power to my usb devices
[07:22] <vega> failsafe/single/recovery mode .. all same result
[07:22] <jason86> ddecator: plymouth-theme-ubuntu-logo,  plymouth-logo,  libplymouth2,  plymouth-label,  plymouth-x11,  plymouth
[07:24] <ddecator> jason86: plymouth-logo doesn't even show up for me...i have all of the others installed except plymouth-x11, although idk if that would cause issues. i also haven't rebooted in a few days, so i'm not 100% sure it's working for me right now =p
[07:24] <matche_01> is remastersyscompability with Ubuntu 10 ?
[07:25] <jason86> ddecator: okay
[07:25] <matche_01> after the backup the backup give" could not find ramdisk image: /casper/initrd.gz" error on boot
[07:25] <hey_boy> Is it possible to change the icon (the Ubuntu logo) of the main menu in Ubuntu 9.10? How?
[07:26] <Dr_Willis> hey_boy:  same answer i gave in #ubuntu.  yea. try Ubuntu-tweak
[07:26] <gartral> can anyone help me with telling ubuntu to give my phone the 700ma/5.1v it needs to really charge?
[07:27] <jason86> ddecator: i haven't seen it since it went from alpha 3 to beta
[07:27] <jason86> lol
[07:27] <ddecator> wow, i've definitely seen it since then..
[07:27] <enav> where a can see the bug database about 10.04____
[07:27] <enav> >???
[07:27] <roark>  I am using 10 04 and when I keep my laptop in standby mode(by just closing it)... sometimes when I open it.... it just doesnt respond ... there will be colorful backgrounds....
[07:28] <ddecator> enav: is this what you mean? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+bugs?field.tag=lucid
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> Now this is a interesting trend. 'one click install' urls on many ubuntu sites that you just click and the package manager tries to install stuff from the repos.
[07:29] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/best-ubuntu-docks-vote.html
[07:29] <enav> roark try to disable the suspend on close behavior... i know that ubuntu is not doing well with suspend and hibernate
[07:30] <roark> enav: i dint have this problem with 9 10
[07:31] <ddecator> roark: probably a regression. unfortunately, i'm not familiar with what is involved in suspending and resuming a session
[07:31] <ActionParsnip> Yo yo yo +1
[07:31] <ddecator> hey ActionParsnip
[07:31] <enav> roark remember this is a RC
[07:31] <ActionParsnip> Ddecator: howdy
[07:31] <roark> enav: ya
[07:32] <gartral> whats the development channel? i have a serious issue here with USB
[07:32] <ActionParsnip> #ubuntu-dev maybe
[07:33] <bullgard4> After booting top shows a process 'flush-1:0'. What does this process effect?
[07:34] <ddecator> bullgard4: not sure. is it using a lot of cpu or something?
[07:34] <ActionParsnip> Bullguard4: toilet contents :)
[07:34] <bullgard4> ddecator: It does not use a lot of CPU time.
[07:36] <ActionParsnip> Bullguard4: I've heard folks talk of memory leaks, maybe it sorts that out
[07:36] <ddecator> bullgard4: i think it might be related to power saving
[07:37] <bullgard4> ActionParsnip, ddecator Thank you for answering.
[07:37] <ddecator> bullgard4: no problem =)
[07:37] <ActionParsnip> Bullguard4: np man, not bad for a tired dude
[07:37] <hey_boy> ubuntu-tweak is not available in the repository for Lucid Lynx, or am I not looking at the right place?
[07:38] <ddecator> no it's not, you have to get it from their site
[07:38] <ActionParsnip> Hey_boy: you may need a ppa
[07:39] <gartral> im having real USB issues, the Magicjack device causes x to fail on boot. and usb isnt supplying full power to any device, my phone isnt charging, just reciving enough power to keep alive
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> !find CairoDock
[07:40] <Dr_Willis> odd.. I thought that was in the repos
[07:41] <matche_01> someone uses remastersys ? please i just want to ask if it is works for ubuntu 10 ...
[07:41] <Ken8521> !find cairo-dock
[07:41] <ddecator> Dr_Willis: cairo-dock shows up for me
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> Ahh.. a - :) how ticky
[07:41] <Dr_Willis> This web site has a invalid url/name in the 'Install it now button'
[07:41] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, what website?
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/best-ubuntu-docks-vote.html
[07:42] <ddecator> gartral: usb issues are tricky since they tend to be related to the kernel..
[07:42] <ActionParsnip> Simdock is good too, doesn't require compiz either ;)
[07:42] <ddecator> *cough* Docky
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> Go read the site and vote then.
[07:42] <Dr_Willis> :)
[07:43] <Ken8521> i don't care for any of the dock's
[07:43] <gartral> ActionParsnip ddecator Dr_Willis Ken8521 metacity can do basic compasition too...
[07:43] <SandGorgon> gartral, I do not believe power through USB is controlled by the OS.. it could be a hardware issue
[07:43] <Ken8521> gartral, i like just basic old, gnome.. remove the bottom panel, integrate what I need into the top panel
[07:44] <ActionParsnip> Gartral: I use openbox + lxde so no metacity here dude
[07:44] <ddecator> Ken8521: +1
[07:44] <ddecator> but with Docky =)
[07:44] <gartral> SandGorgon: not possible, i can confirm this is JUST ubuntu 10.04, 9.10 doesnt fail at charging, fedora doesnt fail. and neither does windows XP/7 (yes i have all these on my comp :P)
[07:44] <Ken8521> Window Selector really helps compact the panel... how any one uses the "Window List" tabs, I have no idea..
[07:45] <Ken8521> i guess cuz i always haev so many windows open, it would drive me crazy
[07:46] <xsacha> hey. i just updated to 10.04 rc and now i cant use fglrx. it says incompatible Xorg version. says i have 7.100 and fglrx expects 7.510 ???
[07:47] <McShane> I just clean installed 10.04 RC, and Compiz desktop compositing effects won't enable for my Radeon x1550. I'm using the radeonhd package. Any ideas on where I should start?
[07:47] <Ken8521> wow, 150mb in updates.. what did they do to RC today?
[07:48] <xsacha> they killed my fglrx :(
[07:48] <brianherman> take over the world ken8521 same thing they do everyday
[07:48] <Dr_Willis> new wallpaper Ken8521  :)
[07:48] <Ken8521> McShane, sudo apt-get sell ati card && sudo apt-get install nvidia-card
[07:49] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, really?
[07:49] <brianherman> i installed ubuntu10.04 last week and got it to work on the first try
[07:49] <brianherman> would there be anyone willing to fix a vmware bug?
[07:49] <xsacha> Ken8521, it's a 50 megapixel image of the sun.. in 3D..
[07:49] <Ken8521> lol
[07:49] <brianherman> i would paypal them beer money
[07:50] <Ken8521> brianherman, whats the prob w/ vmware?  i know there's differences, but i've been running vbox flawlessly
[07:50] <brianherman> cheap beer money
[07:50] <brianherman> oh
[07:50] <brianherman> i cant type on the keyboard in gnome
[07:50] <brianherman> i guess thats a gnome problem not a ubuntu problem
[07:51] <Ken8521> that's strange
[07:52] <brianherman> ill check with the latest release
[07:53] <gartral> reboot, brb
[07:54] <brianherman> ill just use the server editon to root my phones
[07:55] <Ken8521> hmm
[07:57] <hey_boy> I want to change the logo (Ubuntu Logo) of the "Main Menu" in my Lucid Lynx installation. Is there a manual method to do this?
[07:58] <Dr_Willis> you put a custome icon/image in the proper .theme/ location
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> and hope your theme sees it and uses it - instead of using its own image
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> Not all do it properly
[07:59] <hey_boy> any HowTo you can suggest?
[07:59] <Dr_Willis> I suggested usong the Ubuntu-tweak tool.
[07:59] <hey_boy> it does not provide for changing icons of the main menu
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> It lets me change the Ubuntu-logo icon
[08:00] <Dr_Willis> as i said it CAN depend on the theme you are using. thers a bug that makes it not work with some themes
[08:00] <ddecator> yah, it works with most though
[08:01] <ddecator> or at least most that i've used
[08:01] <bp0> ... firefox change for ARM requires me to download the whole 56MB pacakge again?
[08:01] <bp0> why
[08:01] <Dr_Willis> Ubuntu-tweak -> gnome settings -> 'click this button to change the menu logo image'
[08:01] <hey_boy> thanks
[08:02] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, i've never tried ubuntu-tweak is it any good?
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  its a Must have app :)
[08:02] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, hmm, in the repos?
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> Ailurus  is also a must have tool
[08:02] <Dr_Willis> Nope.
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> gotta get it from its homepage.. then it can ad its own repo after that
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> Or add the repo for it first
[08:03] <Ken8521> checkin it out now.
[08:03] <Dr_Willis> Theres also a 'First time Run Ubuntu' script ive been testing out from Webupd8.org  (or was it from OMBubuntu)
[08:04] <Dr_Willis> it can also add/setup various extras/repos that i always want to add
[08:04] <xsacha_> hey guys i just updated to 10.04 rc and can no longer use fglrx driver. the Xorg log complains that I have Xorg 7.100 and driver expects 7.510. is there any way around this?
[08:05] <ddecator> Ubuntu Tweak is the best disk cleaner i know of
[08:05] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, would you recommend signing up and adding the repo, or is installing the deb stable?
[08:05] <ddecator> Ken8521: i just use the .deb
[08:05] <Ken8521> ok, i'll give that a go
[08:05] <xsacha_> I have even tried Disactivate/Active in Hardware drivers. it still cant load fglrx on reboot
[08:06] <Ken8521> ddecator, is the karmic one, ok for lucid?
[08:06] <ddecator> Ken8521: yah, works fine still
[08:06] <Ken8521> k
[08:06] <ddecator> it's great for lucid since it will clean your cache and remove old kernels
[08:06] <xsacha_> is it planned that fglrx won't work on launch of 10.04?
[08:07] <ddecator> or any dev release for that matter
[08:07] <ddecator> xsacha_: i honestly don't know...sorry, not really my area =\
[08:08] <SandGorgon> this is so cool - Miserware's Granola software for reducing power consumption in linux. Its proprietary, but free to use. Very nice http://www.theopensourcerer.com/2010/04/23/planet-saving-software-for-linux-now-released/
[08:08] <xsacha_> there should be a way to return to how you were before an update
[08:08] <xsacha_> like a checkpoint
[08:08] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  i alwyas use the repos. The tool can tweak and add its own repos
[08:08] <brianherman> do they have a cli client sandgordon?
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> xsacha_:  that one tool i mentioned had some sort of 'apt snapshot' feature
[08:09] <ActionParsnip> Xsacha: unfortunately not
[08:09] <xsacha_> Dr_Willis, does it keep all the debs?
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> Ailurus   has that feature  - or so it says  xsacha_  but ive never tried the feature
[08:09] <Dr_Willis> xsacha_:  that would be extreme.. it just keeps  a list of packages I thin
[08:10] <xsacha_> it should just be part of ubuntu. i often get big updates (like today) that steal features
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> with the 6 mo release cycle. its not really a big issue.
[08:10] <Dr_Willis> would you  rather keep somthing that may have security issues?
[08:11] <xsacha_> well it seems the only way to get my feature back is install a pre-rc beta of 10.04 and wait 2 months
[08:11] <brianherman> How does ubuntu keep their stuff together?
[08:11] <brianherman> I need some of that magic juice.
[08:12] <ddecator> brianherman: lots of inter-twined teams, haha
[08:12] <ActionParsnip> Brianherman: together?
[08:12] <Dr_Willis> duck tape.
[08:12] <xsacha_> i assume another rc is coming out soon.. hopefully. dont think ubuntu would launch it like this
[08:12] <brianherman> Duck tape doesn't work on your brain.
[08:13] <ActionParsnip> Brianherman: its duct tape
[08:13] <xsacha_> in its current state, it's unusable for r600+ ati cards. no fglrx, open driver makes laptop burn and fan run hard
[08:13] <ddecator> xsacha_: launch is scheduled for 5 days
[08:13] <ddecator> if it's a known regression, they'll do what they can to fix it before launch, otherwise it will be an SRU
[08:14] <ActionParsnip> Never understood the rigid release dates, just release it when its ready instead of causing heartache just to meet deadlines
[08:14] <ddecator> it keeps the teams motivated and gives them a specific goal
[08:14] <ddecator> plus it matches gnome's schedule
[08:15] <ActionParsnip> At the cost of users who get problems if certain bugs still exist
[08:15] <ddecator> that's why a lot of people wait until a month after release to upgrade =p
[08:15] <ddecator> within a month of release, most major bugs are fixed via updates
[08:16] <ActionParsnip> Its how debian does it too, more sense
[08:17] <ddecator> imo, if we didn't have a strict timeframe, teams wouldn't work as quick and development would be a lot slower
[08:17] <Dr_Willis> argue for 3 mo about somthing - then do the least popular idea ? :)
[08:17] <ddecator> but anyway, this is all offtopic..
[08:17] <eremite> ddecator: if you feel comfortable with a few bugs, it's best to have people using the OS and reporting bugs so those fixes can come out quicker.
[08:17] <ddecator> eremite: i start using the releases at alpha 3, so i'm plenty comfortable with bugs ;)
[08:18] <ActionParsnip> You wouldn't deliver a half made cake if you were a chef.. same deal
[08:18] <brianherman> Sorry, guys I do that constantly.
[08:18]  * Dr_Willis constantly goes off half-cocked
[08:18] <Dr_Willis> :)
[08:19] <ddecator> oh really?
[08:19] <Dr_Willis> We are getting so good at releases - we even skipped Alpha4 ! :)
[08:26] <ddecator> so anyway, who needs lucid support? =p
[08:26] <Dr_Willis> Im backing stuff up  - to get ready to do clean installs on my 4 machines next week. :)
[08:28] <ddecator> i gave up on the idea of doing a clean install. it'd take more time than i'm willing to commit to reinstall all of the stuff i need
[08:31] <Dr_Willis> ive tested out so much stuff on thse box's -  Its hard to tell whats from ehere.
[08:40] <bp0> ubuntu-tweak has some problems in lucid
[08:40] <Dr_Willis> It does? Ive not noticed any.
[08:41] <bp0> in nautilus settings, open folder in terminal, and open folder as root, don't work
[08:41] <Dr_Willis> That installs a special package from the repos. So it may be the package thats broken.
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> I dont even recall what package it installed..
[08:42] <ddecator> huh, i've never tested that, i only use ubuntu tweak for cleaning my packages..
[08:42] <Dr_Willis> also you might need to restart nautilys after the packages got installed .
[08:42] <Ken8521> has the medibuntu issue been resolved yet?
[08:42] <ddecator> Ken8521: what issue?
[08:42] <Ken8521> ddecator, it was down for a few days, supposedly due to "legal issues"
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> I definatly have an 'Open in terminal...' item in my menus here
[08:43]  * ddecator never noticed
[08:43] <Dr_Willis> There are mirros for medibuntu :)
[08:43] <Ken8521> ddecator, http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/medibuntu-repository-down-what-to-do.html
[08:43] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, i know...
[08:44] <ddecator> idk, could have been server issues..i haven't heard about it until now
[08:44] <Ken8521> ddecator, well, many were saying it was a legal matter, not a server issue.
[08:44] <bp0> yes, restarting made it happen
[08:44] <Ken8521> it waas posted on quite a fwe sites,
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. SOmehow i got a 'open with midnight commander' item in my context menus.. wonder where that came from.
[08:45] <Dr_Willis> Its sort of cool
[08:45] <bp0> what's the issue you are talking bout?
[08:45] <bp0> @ ddecator Ken8521
[08:46] <Ken8521> bp0, made what happen?
[08:46] <Ken8521> medibuntu go down?
[08:46] <Ken8521> it seems to be up now
[08:46] <ddecator> Ken8521: heh, omgubuntu is the extent of my ubuntu news reading, that and irc...it could be a legal issue, but i am skeptical of anything that isn't an announcement from people directly involved
[08:46] <Dr_Willis> packages.meibuntu.com was down for the last 5 days or so
[08:46] <Ken8521> ddecator, i agree, it was just what kept coming up w/ google.. i agree w/ you though
[08:47] <bp0> restarting nautilus to make the ubuntu tweak settings take
[08:47] <Ken8521> oh ok
[08:47] <Dr_Willis> nautilus -q would do it also. (that restarts nautilus)
[08:47] <bp0> good to know
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> I just saw that at some news site. :) never noticed the option befor.
[08:48] <Dr_Willis> seems cleaner then killall nautilus heh
[08:48] <bp0> must say lucid is much more comfortable than karmic
[08:48] <bp0> everything seems to be working
[08:49] <bp0> ... smooth
[08:49] <bp0> once i gave up on tv at least
[08:49] <ddecator> putting some ex lax into the OS helped
[08:50] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. Still no 64bit PartImage for  10.04 yet
[08:50] <bp0> i built partimage and it worked great in 10.04
[08:50] <bp0> i had no problems
[08:51] <bp0> amd64
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> Yea. Odd its not in the repos
[08:53] <Dr_Willis> the doc file is.
[08:54] <bp0> yeah i saw that
[08:54] <bullgard4> http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/releasenotes/1004overview: "HAL removal: The Ubuntu release 10.04 LTS RC fully removes HAL from the boot process, making Ubuntu faster to boot and faster to resume from suspend." Why does Ubuntu still install the DEB program package 'hal'?
[08:55] <Dr_Willis> its removed from the boot process... so it starts later? :) if needed?
[08:56]  * Dr_Willis wonders how 'fully removes HAL' differs from 'removes HAL from the boot process'
[08:56] <bullgard4> hm
[08:56] <Dr_Willis> if its fully removed.. that would include the boot process.. :)
[08:57] <Dr_Willis> perhaps X starts it up if needed?
[08:57] <geser> hal is still a dependency for some package like e.g. banshee
[08:57] <ddecator> and rhythmbox ifrc
[08:58] <ddecator> iirc*
[09:00] <geser> nope, "apt-cache rdepends hal" doesn't list rhythmbox, so rhthymbox doesn't depend or recommend hal (at least not directly)
[09:01] <JoshuaL> anyone else expierencing the red ! mark when connected to a wifi network?
[09:02] <Ken8521> JoshuaL, negative, i'm on a network now
[09:02] <KnifeySpooney> JoshuaL: nope, it shows a connected image
[09:02] <JoshuaL> odd
[09:02] <ddecator> huh, maybe i was thinking of banshee then..
[09:03] <ddecator> JoshuaL: click it, see what it says crashed =)
[09:03] <KnifeySpooney> I think he means the "not connected" icon for the wireless network
[09:03] <JoshuaL> ddecator, it shows a red ! above the wifi icon, its not a crash
[09:04] <JoshuaL> KnifeySpooney, yeah that one
[09:04] <ddecator> JoshuaL: ah, gotcha
[09:04] <KnifeySpooney> JoshuaL: just a shot in the dark, maybe restarting the gnome-panel could fix it
[09:04] <JoshuaL> KnifeySpooney, serveral reboots didnt help either
[09:04] <JoshuaL> but ill try to kill the panel and see what happens :)
[09:05] <KnifeySpooney> Oh. Well i doubt it will happen then :p
[09:05] <JoshuaL> nope, doesnt help
[09:05] <JoshuaL> it doesnt show im connected in the list either
[09:07] <ddecator> do you have your network info manually setup? that is, did you edit a config file so you have a certain mac address or anything?
[09:07] <Trewas> network-manager has seemed to be quite flaky once again in lucid, I occasionally have to connect even wired network manually (dhclient eth0 from the command line)
[09:08] <JoshuaL> ddecator, i only changed the dns server via edit connections
[09:08] <ddecator> hm, that shouldn't be an issue then..
[09:08] <ddecator> i know if i manually change my mac address, then i'll be connected to the internet but the applet won't show it
[09:09] <KnifeySpooney> maybe you are connected through an oddly named interface?
[09:09] <KnifeySpooney> like is it named wlanx?
[09:10] <bp0> hulu desktop for windows in wine works better than hulu desktop for linux
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> file a bug with HULU then
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> :)
[09:10] <JoshuaL> KnifeySpooney, ifname shows that im connected to eth1
[09:10] <Dr_Willis> and adobe.  its working amazing well in linux, compared to how it  worked a few months ago.
[09:10] <bp0> the problem is flash for 64 i think, not hulu
[09:11] <JoshuaL> shall i fill in  a bug report for network-manager applet?
[09:11] <KnifeySpooney> perhaps
[09:11] <Dr_Willis> Im using the 32bit flash here with it. I dont do a lot with Hulu however.
[09:11] <KnifeySpooney> maybe if you file it someone else will have the same issue
[09:11] <Ken8521> http://blogs.zdnet.com/security/?p=6298
[09:11] <Ken8521> lol
[09:11] <ddecator> hulu desktop works fine for me on 64-bit, just a little glitchy in the menu
[09:12] <ddecator> but idk if that's flash or nvidia
[09:12] <Dr_Willis> I find the way the progral is laid out glitzy :)
[09:12] <JoshuaL> any suggestions for a description (english is not my first language so im not good at describing the problem)
[09:13] <bp0> does hulu work in boxee atm?
[09:13] <ddecator> JoshuaL: i'm guessing you're still connected to the internet just fine?
[09:13] <KnifeySpooney> JoshuaL: how about "network manager does not detect connection to eth1"
[09:13] <ddecator> bp0: hit and miss last i tried
[09:13] <JoshuaL> ddecator, yeah
[09:13] <JoshuaL> KnifeySpooney, thanks
[09:13] <bp0> hmm
[09:13] <sobersabre> hi
[09:14] <ddecator> JoshuaL: you can say "My internet connects and works fine, but the Network Manager applet does not display that I am connected at all."
[09:14] <KnifeySpooney> JoshuaL: be sure to say that you're on wifi even though the interface is eth1, maybe that is part of the issue
[09:14] <JoshuaL> KnifeySpooney, ok
[09:14] <JoshuaL> ddecator, thanks :)
[09:14] <sobersabre> can somebody pls remind me what would be a syntax for tar to create and send on the fly stdin, compress and -> stdout ?
[09:14] <ddecator> for the description, that's long for a title =p
[09:14] <brianherman> grubs asks if you want to bork your system now thats nice
[09:14] <sobersabre> tar - -zc ?
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> I would like Huludesktop a bit better..if it dident start playing whatever poplar show is payin them to start playing at startup. :)
[09:15] <Dr_Willis> Oh. New anime series on Hulu. :) gotta love that
[09:15] <ddecator> JoshuaL: if you want, i can look at the report after you file it
[09:15] <ddecator> Dr_Willis: +1
[09:15] <JoshuaL> ddecator, ok :)
[09:16] <bullgard4> geser: Thank you very much for your help.
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> at least with Hulu desktop ic an fullscreen the player on Monitor #2
[09:17] <Dr_Willis> and still work on Monitor #1
[09:17] <brianherman> hmm
[09:18] <ddecator> hmm
[09:18] <brianherman> Dr_Willis: Have you gotten two displays to work on different video cards?
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> I got all nvidia cards here.
[09:18] <bp0> scratch what i was just saying about hulu desktop in wine
[09:18] <bp0> just crashed and wont restart
[09:18] <bp0> :(
[09:18] <Dr_Willis> I did get the built in nviia working with the pcie nvidia card = for 3 monitors total
[09:18] <ddecator> heh, that's why i avoid wine
[09:19] <bp0> after working fine for several minutes
[09:21] <brianherman> well latest lucid just works
[09:21] <ddecator> good, that's the goal =)
[09:22] <Ken8521> how do you change the distributor logo?
[09:22] <Raphi974> Hi everyone
[09:23] <Raphi974> How to install conky Forecast in lucid ?
[09:23] <Crshman> Hey all, so I just upgraded my 9.10 install to 10.04 and upon reboot I get stuck at "resume: libgcrypt version: 1.4.4" and the machine doesn't boot
[09:23] <Crshman> any ideas?
[09:24] <bp0> encrypted disk?
[09:24] <Crshman> nope
[09:24] <Crshman> i'm thinking maybe grub didn't get installed correctly?
[09:25] <ddecator> JoshuaL: can you pastebin the result of 'nm-tool'?
[09:25] <JoshuaL> ddecator, i reported the bug: 569335
[09:25] <JoshuaL> but sure
[09:25] <ddecator> i found another report that sounds similar, so i'm trying to see if it's the same issue or not
[09:26] <bp0> Dr_Willis, did you say you're using 32 bit flash on amd64?
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> yes - thats the ubuntu default way to do it
[09:26] <joaopinto> Crshman, so you get the GRUB menu if you keep pressing SHITFT during boot ?
[09:26] <JoshuaL> ddecator, http://pastebin.com/qXuziL4N
[09:26] <ddecator> JoshuaL: but good job on the report =)
[09:26] <Dr_Willis> Unless i somehow mised it putting 64bit flash on
[09:26] <Crshman> joaopinto: let me try it
[09:27] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, you have any idea how to change distributor_logo.. i can't find where its kept now
[09:27] <DanaG> nice spelling. =þ
[09:27] <JoshuaL> ddecator, ty
[09:27] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  No idea.
[09:27] <DanaG> I'll have to remember that one... extra 't'.
[09:27] <DanaG> =þ
[09:27] <ddecator> interesting... JoshuaL can you include that output on a comment for the report?
[09:27] <JoshuaL> ddecator, sure
[09:28] <Crshman> joaopinto: yes I get the grub menu
[09:28] <ddecator> it looks like the applet wants eth0 and ignores the fact that eth1 is connected..
[09:28] <bp0> Dr_Willis, i get 'wrong architecture i386' when i try to install 32 bit flash
[09:28] <bp0> the only flash i could get to work was the "labs" edition of 10 for amd64
[09:29] <joaopinto> Crshman, and can you boot using the recovery mode ?
[09:29] <bp0> but that doesnt work for hulu, somewhy
[09:29] <Crshman> joaopinto: it's going right now
[09:29] <JoshuaL> ddecator, added the output :)
[09:29] <Dr_Willis> bp0:  how are you installing it?
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> I just used the package manager/ubuntu-restricted-extras package.
[09:30] <ddecator> JoshuaL: thanks =) i'm not sure this is the same as the other report, so i'll let the devs determine what to do with it. but you included all of the information they should need =)
[09:30] <Dr_Willis> I dident do anything fancy
[09:30] <JoshuaL> ok thanks for the help :)
[09:30] <ddecator> flash in the repos is 32-bit only, so having it on 64-bit involves using the nspluginwrapper with 32-bit
[09:30] <ddecator> JoshuaL: no problem, i'll subscribe and help out if i can, i changed the title to reflect the issue a little better
[09:31] <Crshman> joaopinto: looks like it got stuck
[09:31] <JoshuaL> k ty
[09:31] <Dr_Willis> Whats weird about HULU.  I can watch videos with HuluDesktop Player.. but it wont let me watch them at the hulu web site.
[09:32] <Dr_Willis> 'unable to stram videos to yoyur system - due to adobe software limitation on 64bit linux systems;
[09:32] <joaopinto> Crshman, reboot to grub, edit the linux kernel options appending "init=/sbin/sulogin"
[09:32] <ddecator> Dr_Willis: i don't get that..
[09:33] <Dr_Willis> its proberly confused by me using 32bit flash on a 64bit box then
[09:33] <ddecator> that's what i do though, haha
[09:33] <ddecator> maybe me using FF 3.7 throws it off and it doesn't catch it
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> huludesktpp player works better for me also :)
[09:34] <Dr_Willis> but i cant really watch the  anime/subtitles and irc :)
[09:34] <bp0> Dr_Willis, that is 64bit
[09:34] <bp0> isnt it?
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> it uses the normal installed flash player
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> or at least it used to
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> because ages ago i had to 'tweak' it to use flash in a proper location
[09:35] <ddecator> hulu desktop uses the system's flash, yah
[09:35] <Dr_Willis> the ABOUT flash player... item in the flash menus.. dosent state the 'bits' used
[09:36] <Dr_Willis> They have the... dumbest comercials on Hulu...
[09:37] <ddecator> all depends on who is willing to pay them
[09:37] <bp0> ELF 32-bit LSB shared object, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked, stripped
[09:37] <Dr_Willis> at least this anime is in english :)
[09:37] <bp0> so 32 bit i guess
[09:41] <Dr_Willis> at least pause/play now works for me on Huludesktop
[09:42] <Dr_Willis> Normally it would just crash if i paused
[09:42] <meowbuntu> hi when is the official release of lucid comming out
[09:42] <bp0> 29th
[09:43] <Dr_Willis> 'when its done' :) heh
[09:45] <XuNaru> When i click on the top panel, all windiows get minimized (Is this the right word?), how can i turn off this?
[09:45] <ddecator> that doesn't seem right
[09:46] <ddecator> doesn't do that for me..
[09:47] <ddecator> XuNaru: sorry, i've never heard of that, so i personally have no clue what could be causing that
[09:47] <XuNaru> Hm :\
[09:48] <Crshman> joaopinto: Sorry about that, for some reason grub would't detecy my keyboard clickage....I appended that string and now I get dropped into a shell
[09:48] <Crshman> we're getting somewhere =)
[09:48] <ddecator> i know you can set behavior for double clicking the title bars, but that would only affect each window individually..
[09:48] <joaopinto> Crshman, ok, that means grub is fine, the kernel os loading properly, so there is something later breaking
[09:49] <ddecator> XuNaru: are you using gnome?
[09:49] <joaopinto> Crshman, was it a clean install or an upgrade ?
[09:49] <Crshman> upgrade
[09:50] <XuNaru> ddecator, yes
[09:50] <joaopinto> ok, that increases the chances of being some related to be something unexpected on /etc/fstab
[09:50] <XuNaru> And inside a VM.
[09:50] <ddecator> XuNaru: does it happen when you click anywhere on the top panel, or just in blank areas?
[09:50] <XuNaru> just blank areas
[09:50] <Crshman> let me take a look through it
[09:50] <joaopinto> Crshman, hum, you did get a working shell with recovery mode right ?
[09:50] <Crshman> right
[09:51] <ddecator> huh, that's definitely not right..
[09:51] <joaopinto> uff, so there is no need to get into sulogin like we did now
[09:51] <joaopinto> Crshman, please re-login in recovery and run "mountall"
[09:52] <Crshman> joaopinto: got it, reported an error about not being able to connect to upstart
[09:52] <XuNaru> Oh, damn, im wrong. Not all windows are minimized... its lieke click ohn the same position as the bottom panel
[09:52] <yofel> wtf? connecting both eth cards on my desktop pc with my router resulted in my network being down after turning my desktop pc off o.O?
[09:52] <joaopinto> hum, did you reboot into the recovery option :) ?
[09:52] <ddecator> XuNaru: ah, that makes a little more sense, but i still don't know what could cause it
[09:53] <XuNaru> and, when i click on the top left on the panel, then all windows minimized... on a other position, a other window get open :\
[09:53] <ddecator> o.o
[09:54] <XuNaru> like click on the bottom panel.
[09:54] <ddecator> alright, i'm really curious what could be causing that, but it's almost 4am and i really need to get some sleep
[09:54] <Crshman> joaopinto: yep
[09:54] <ddecator> night everyone
[09:54] <joaopinto> Crshman, hum upstart was expected to be running in recovery mode
[09:57] <Aison> hello :)
[09:57] <Aison> I tried to upgrade one of my kubuntu machines to 10.04
[09:58] <Aison> the upgrade worked, but now it hangs on booting the kernel
[09:58] <Aison> I can select the kernel in grub and something happens, but initscripts are never started
[09:58] <Dr_Willis> recovery mode also fails?
[09:59] <Aison> well, on recovery mode I can see what happens ^^ but there's no error at all
[09:59] <Aison> last line is EXT3 FS on sda1, internal journal
[09:59] <SandGorgon> Aison, I had the same issue
[10:00] <Aison> and some lines before I can see that the kernel detects the sd drives
[10:00] <SandGorgon> Aison, i reinstalled the whole damn thing
[10:00] <Aison> well, I don't think that's necessary
[10:00] <Aison> isn't it possible to boot with some bootcd and then fix that problem?
[10:01] <Aison> I just don't know what's wrong exactly, maybe some wrong grub.conf entry...
[10:01] <Crshman> my keyboard hates me....it doesn't want to bring up the grub menu =(
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> ive a pc or 2 that requires a PS2 keyboard to get to the grub menu
[10:02] <Dr_Willis> I think theres some usb legacy option - that may fix that.
[10:02] <nelliep> I am running netbook remix on an acer one.  My question is- what settings will be lost from fstab or grub( eg elevator=noop) when I upgrade to Lucid?
[10:03] <Crshman> I get into it every now and then....like this time I got it haha
[10:03] <Dr_Willis> nelliep:  in theory there shouldent be setitngs lost.  but you may want to backup your fstab and grub configs befor upgrading
[10:03] <nelliep> ok ...thanks
[10:07] <Crshman> bingo
[10:07] <Crshman> followed the instructions here: http://upstart.ubuntu.com/wiki/OMGBroken
[10:14] <Aison> SandGorgon, I think I need to boot with the livecd and then fix /etc/fstab
[10:16] <Crshman> Aison: have you tried booting into recovery appending "init=/sbin/sulogin" to the boot line?
[10:17] <Aison> Crshman, no, how do I append thsi line? in grub menu?
[10:18] <Crshman> Aison: correct, when booting press "shift" to bring up the grub menu, then highlight the recovery boot option and press "e" to get into the editor
[10:19] <arianit> hifi, I have maximize, minimize, close buttons missing after upgrade to Lucid
[10:19] <Aison> thx
[10:19] <Dr_Willis> do you have an actual title bar arianit ? an you move windows around?
[10:20] <arianit> Aison, I have the title bar but for those buttons
[10:20] <arianit> there are some other errors as well, I can't tab between windows
[10:20] <Crshman> after following the instructions in the OMGBroken link, I fixed my resume device using this: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/uswsusp/+bug/108230/comments/26
[10:20] <arianit> and windows don't appear at the bottom
[10:21] <arianit> on the task bar
[10:21] <arianit> I'm sorry Aison, that was aimed at Dr_Willis
[10:21] <Dr_Willis> arianit: try making a new user - see if it affects them also.,
[10:21] <Aison> ok, I fixed my problem
[10:21] <arianit> guest account is not affected
[10:22] <Aison> I had to disable this line in /etc/fstab: none /proc/bus/usb usbfs devgid=129,devmode=664 0 0
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> sounds like a user setting issue. You could clean out all your old/problem users settings then and see if that fix' things
[10:22] <Dr_Willis> Aison:  ive heard of that line mentioned when using virtualbox.. but never had to mess with it.
[10:22] <Crshman> I had that line in my setup too
[10:22] <Aison> maybe this should be disabled by the updater
[10:22] <Crshman> I disabled it as well
[10:22] <Crshman> and i was able to boot
[10:23] <arianit> Dr_Willis, how do I do that short of deleting the account?
[10:23] <Aison> else you will have got many broken  ubuntu machines ^^
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> arianit:  delete the various setting/config files in the home dir for the user
[10:23] <Dr_Willis> arianit:  you have any thing you want to keep like emails? or other data?
[10:23] <arianit> sure, lot's of docs
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> arianit:   settings dirs wont affect those.  just be carefull what you delete
[10:24] <tech0007> upgraded to lucid RC, everything seems fine, for now
[10:24] <arianit> sure ok sounds like a plan
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> dirs like .config and .gconf and so forth are the  settings
[10:24] <Dr_Willis> !resetpanels
[10:24] <arianit> let's me try that and get back to you
[10:27] <arianit> ok I tried something else and it worked
[10:27] <hardran3> How would I run a command when my laptop resumes from suspend? I want to run a script to enable 2 finger scrolling..
[10:28] <arianit> I activated GTK Window Decorator on Compiz and it worked
[10:28] <arianit> Dr_Willis,
[10:28] <arianit> I think it was a compiz problem
[10:28] <arianit> anyways, that's for your help
[10:28] <arianit> thank's for your help
[10:29] <arianit> thanks for your help :)
[10:31] <tech0007> !wine
[10:31] <coachj> !Transmission
[10:32] <Dr_Willis> Wine >hic< :)
[10:40] <meowbuntu> hi when is the official release of lucid comming out
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> !schedule
[10:41] <Dr_Willis> 29th is  The planned  Day.
[10:42] <meowbuntu> really
[10:42] <meowbuntu> k
[10:42] <meowbuntu> Dr_Willis, do you use puppy linux alot
[10:42] <meowbuntu> thats next week
[10:42] <Dr_Willis> Not any more
[10:43] <meowbuntu> is that 29th in new zealand or america
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> I use TinyCoreLinux at times. but not a lot .
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> its the 29th.. some time on the 29th...
[10:43] <meowbuntu> tiny core is not as good as puppy from my exterance
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> no set time on the 29th
[10:43] <Dr_Willis> it depends on your needs.
[10:43] <meowbuntu> ah
[10:43] <meowbuntu> that it dies
[10:43] <meowbuntu> dies = does
[10:43] <meowbuntu> lol
[10:48] <mrwes> since beta 2 and now in the RC, Update Manager keeps whining of a partial upgrade. Will that eventually work itself out?
[10:48] <Dr_Willis> It should I imagine.
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> I just do my updates/upgrade/dist-upgrade by hand
[10:49] <mrwes> Ok...I really don't want to run a partial
[10:49] <mrwes> by hand?
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get update
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get upgrade
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> sudo apt-get dist-upgrade
[10:49] <mrwes> yah
[10:49] <Dr_Willis> I got those 3 commands in a 'update.sh' script. :) i run once a day
[10:49] <brianherman> i kind of like aptitude
[10:49] <brianherman> oh
[10:50] <brianherman> Dr_Willis: You are a god.
[10:50] <Dr_Willis> I dotn see much need in using aptitude in this case
[10:50] <brianherman> Dr_Willis: Im gonna do that right now
[10:50] <mrwes> Dr_Willis, actually so do I
[10:51] <brianherman> Dr_Willis: Do you know anything about efi? Because I have big troubles with triple booting
[10:51] <mrwes> Dr_Willis, sometimes I just run update manager instead
[10:51] <Dr_Willis> Nope - I dont have any efi machines
[10:52] <Dr_Willis> apples the only ones that use efi right? ive not seen any pc's that use it yet
[10:53] <brianherman> We should buy you one
[10:53] <Dr_Willis> I dont want an apple. thanks anyway
[10:53] <brianherman> too many headaches
[10:53] <brianherman> ya
[10:54] <brianherman> i guess
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> I wonder what ARM based machines use.
[10:54] <brianherman> android?
[10:54] <Dr_Willis> theres UBUNTU for ARM also :)
[10:54] <mrwes> Dr_Willis, update script fixed the partial -- heh...
[10:55] <Dr_Willis> Im not even sure what a partial upgrade even means
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> Great - playing a movie in HuluDesktop.. gets 1/2 way done.. then 'we cant stream this viceo.. try again later...'
[11:03] <Dr_Willis>  heh
[11:03] <Dr_Willis> Now i wont know how they kill Gamora!  will godzilla win? :P
[11:03] <brianherman> We dont want to ruin it for you.
[11:04] <Dr_Willis> Its amazing how these OLD movies can manage to be 1 1/2 hrs + long.
[11:10] <aeon17x> hooray, the glx memory leak is fixed for lucid
[11:10] <Dr_Willis> or so its claimed. :)
[11:11] <bullgard4> "The kernel process flush-1:0 writes  a buffer to disk." Is this a correct statement?
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> You mean is it true? or does it make sence?
[11:12] <bullgard4> I mean if it is true or not.
[11:12] <Dr_Willis> No idea :)
[11:13] <bullgard4> :-(
[11:15] <brianherman> I think thats what we are covering in class
[11:15] <brianherman> we talked about memory hierarchy
[11:15] <brianherman> that seems correct
[11:15] <brianherman> its moving down data downstream
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> Hmm.. amazing how someone can ask a Q. in channel.. be suggeste to check the forums.. then they are back asking the same Q in less then 2 min... :)
[11:16] <Dr_Willis> They must be fast readers.
[11:16] <brianherman> Downstream == harder to get at.
[11:16] <brianherman> No its just the last part in my class before finals
[11:16] <brianherman> And the day I actually showed up to class.
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> heh
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> My Compiuter classes where on Fortran, and  befor that. on C64 machines
[11:17] <Dr_Willis> Flowcharts and C64 basic!
[11:17] <brianherman> See, you actually did well in school the first time.
[11:17] <brianherman> I am taking things twice.
[11:31] <aeon17x> another small thing in lucid that's not really major but nice nonetheless
[11:32] <aeon17x> chromium is in the repos
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> Yep
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> ive fallen back to using firefox mainly however.
[11:32] <Dr_Willis> Im just more used to it.
[11:32] <Tesssa> is  the release candidate worth upgrading to now
[11:32] <aeon17x> my eyes hurt when using firefox
[11:32] <aeon17x> it still doesn't follow GNOME font rendering
[11:32] <aeon17x> @_@
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> havent really noticed aeon17x .
[11:33] <Dr_Willis> i did notice the menu fonts looked a little diffrent. but nothing major
[11:34] <Dr_Willis> !release
[11:43] <SzymonK> Hi.
[11:43] <SzymonK> Have some problems with booting live cd/installation.
[11:43] <SzymonK> Blah blah stuck for 61s! [plymouthd:1221], bug or maybe bad burned cd?
[11:45] <ebischoff> Hi all. I have notice a problem in Lucid Lynx. I tried to report it on launchpad, but I have found several similar bug reports and I don't know which one would match. The problem is that all text consoles (like Ctrl-Alt-F1) are random characters, including blinking or reverse video. It seems to have appeared when usplash had been replaced with plymouth.
[11:45] <Dr_Willis> Ive seen that over the yeras when the various X server/drivers goof up with the consoles.
[11:46] <ebischoff> Dr_Willis : yes, I have seen those bug reports about X servers messing up the consoles. It could match my problem, or it could be something else.
[11:47] <Dr_Willis> could also be some framebuffer issue as well
[11:47] <ebischoff> When I do echo "blah blah" > /dev/tty1 as root, I don't see "blah blah" appearing on the console
[11:48] <ebischoff> That would indicate a framebuffer problem rather than a polluted console memory area, wouldn't it ?
[11:48] <Dr_Willis> yea.  could be.
[11:49] <Dr_Willis> I used to always disable the framebuffer, and other fancy console stuff.. now thats much harder to do in 10.04
[11:50] <ebischoff> I am here to do tests and debug it if someone is interested. I have given up with the idea of creating a launchpad issue as I don't want to duplicate an existing issue uselessly and as I don't know to which issue my problem relates.
[11:52] <ebischoff> Among the workarounds I have seen, there was blacklisting the framebuffer kernel modules, or telling grub which vga mode to use
[11:53] <Dr_Willis> I couldent figure out how to blacklist that.
[11:53] <ebischoff> I tried to rmmod the framebuffer modules and restart the getty processes, with no apparent effect
[11:53] <ebischoff> it was viafb and some other kernel module whose name I don't remember right now
[11:55] <Dr_Willis> vga16fb                12757  1
[11:55] <om26er> hey all. Does wubi work in the RC  image?
[11:57] <ebischoff> yes, vga16fb, that's the one
[11:57] <Dr_Willis> !blacklist
[11:58] <ebischoff> rmmod'ing them would be the same as blacklisting them, no ?
[11:59] <ebischoff> until next reboot at least
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> Well thee may be other things loading/locking the modules
[11:59] <Dr_Willis> forceng a module to unload.. is not alwyas a good idea
[12:00] <ebischoff> yes, and the problem perharps needs to be fixed at boot time, you're right
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> I recall when the framebuffer was touted as this great worldchangeing idea.. the now seems to be mainly used so we can get some prettier boot sequences.. :)
[12:01] <Dr_Willis> GeeXbox at least used it to play videos :)
[12:02] <ebischoff> yeah, mac os x can do that too (have a video instead of a static boot picture)
[12:02] <Dr_Willis> yea - Hulu Desktop remerebed where the movie crashed.
[12:02] <chrisTemp> Hello everybody. What should I do at this point? http://imagebin.ca/img/9roq5Eh.png
[12:03] <Dr_Willis> what is your exact video card chrisTemp ?
[12:03] <chrisTemp> Dr_Willis, Nvidia something. :P
[12:04] <Crashbit> I have installed blogtk using aptitude install blogtk, and when I trying to execute it, seems an error message
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> try rebooting and see if it kicks it in the head.. it could be that tool is lying also.
[12:04] <Crashbit> ImportError: No module named gtkhtml2
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> try running nvidia-settings to see if it likes it.
[12:04] <ebischoff> christemp : suggest gnome developpers to use "OK" and "Apply" buttons in their UI ? ;-)
[12:04] <chrisTemp> Dr_Willis, It is fresh, from reboot.
[12:04] <Dr_Willis> chrisTemp:  you recently updated/upgraded?
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> chrisTemp:  ive had oddities where it would say nvidia was in low res mode.. and asked me questions.. theat all were invalid since it was actually workng :)
[12:05] <chrisTemp> Dr_Willis, Clean installation. Oh wait. it's working now. Meh. I just restarted the jockey-gtk agian.
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> chrisTemp:  :)
[12:05] <Dr_Willis> magic
[12:05] <chrisTemp> Why must they continue to tease us automagically? :(
[12:07] <chrisTemp> I wonder if the community will make a last minute decision to roll back to RIGHT side for LTS?
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> Community dosent decide... :)
[12:07] <chrisTemp> The Canonical devs. :P
[12:07] <Dr_Willis> So buttons are going to be on the left side.
[12:08] <Dr_Willis> we are allready basically locked in.
[12:08] <chrisTemp> I understand that changes are always good and we all should learn to embrace it... but meh, this is not one of them. :P
[12:08] <erghezi> plymouth dont work for me
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> I imagine it will be  BIG deal for now.. and will get changed back.. or ignored/eliminated  when gnome3 gets here
[12:09] <Dr_Willis> at least now they got it where its a theme changeable setting.. so ya pick a new theme.. they bottons move back
[12:10] <chrisTemp> Gotta reboot. Hopefully it's working correctly this time.
[12:13] <aeon17x> You'll get used to it, the left side buttons
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> actually i wont.. I moved them back to the right
[12:14] <ebischoff> rebooting in the hope to blacklist framebuffer properly
[12:14] <Dr_Willis> I imagine its going to be a #1 complaint on release.
[12:16] <hardran3> I always had my buttons on left. Now every time I change themes they switch. Is there a way to stop that?
[12:16] <Dr_Willis> Im not sure how theymoved that setting into the themes. I Think theres a script in the themes that gets ran now to change the gconf settings
[12:16] <hardran3> yuck
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> In theory you could make such a script to set them how you want at boot time/login  - or some how lock the gconf settings
[12:17] <hardran3> lock gconf settings. good idea
[12:17] <red2kic> Dr_Willis: The Nvidia card works. :3
[12:17] <Dr_Willis> Ive noticed in the netbook desktop - a lot of gconf stuff is locked so you have to use the system settings.
[12:19] <Galvatron> Hi
[12:19] <aeon17x> Would be funny if Dell advertised its Ubuntu lineup as a Mac alternative
[12:21] <Galvatron> I just updated to Lucid from Kubuntu 9.10 running on Radeon 9200SE and I can't disable KMS without crashing Plasma (I have artifact-like things instead of wallpaper and everything's even more laggy).
[12:24] <Dr_Willis> aeon17x:  wait for all the  arm/linux/whatever based  Pad-alternatives  to be hitting the market soon :)
[12:25] <gcala> Hi, has anyone else tested playmouth with ati catalyst? The boot splash is in low-res and low color depth (while is fine with opensource ati driver). Is it possible to fix it through xorg.conf or an other config file? Thanks. P.S. I'm using kubuntu lucid.
[12:30] <marienz> gcala: the open driver supports kms, and the framebuffer provided by that is used by plymouth during boot
[12:31] <marienz> gcala: to get plymouth in high res with catalyst you'd have to use the atifb (assuming I remember the name right) kernel driver, and I have no idea if that combination works
[12:32] <marienz> err, radeonfb apparently
[12:32] <marienz> gcala: "radeonfb" is blacklisted in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.conf.
[12:33] <messi92> Can you help me please  to install the Reconstructor to Ubuntu ? it is not synaptic or i can not get it with sudo apt-get install reconstructor . "could not find package reconstructor " ...
[12:34] <Dr_Willis> i dont even knwow what the tool 'reconstructor' is
[12:34] <messi92> http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=623
[12:35] <Dr_Willis> so your problem with it is what? it dosent come with any docs? or is there a specific issue?
[12:35] <gcala> marienz: so I should substitute in xorg.conf fglrx with radeonfb and comment radeonfb in /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist-framebuffer.conf, right?
[12:35] <messi92> is a backup custom iso live cd program. like remastersys. remastersys doen not working with ubuntu 10 now... :(
[12:35] <gcala> marienz: and give it a try...
[12:36] <red2kic> Could somebody test Dust theme? (With right-side).  Are you missing out on "Close" feature?
[12:36] <joaopinto> messi92, I think reconstructor is no longer maintained, which means it will not work on lucid
[12:36] <marienz> gcala: err, no.
[12:36] <marienz> gcala: radeonfb is not an Xorg driver. It's a kernel framebuffer driver used before X starts (by plymouth)
[12:36] <messi92>  joaopinto:  oh :( and remastersys doen not working... what m gonna do ? !
[12:37] <joaopinto> messi92, you use some supported tool :)
[12:37] <marienz> gcala: also, commenting out that blacklist entry might render your system unbootable. I have no idea how well radeonfb and catalyst get along currently on your hardware.
[12:37] <Dr_Willis> messi92:  somthigbn is weird with that url/guide - that proram is not in karmic, or lucid.  perhaps install it from source
[12:37] <gcala> marienz: ah, ok. Thanks
[12:39] <messi92> joaopinto: which tools ? i could not find another backup tool which can make a live cd and installable cd.
[12:39] <Dr_Willis> https://www.reconstructor.org/wiki/reconstructor/
[12:39] <messi92> (like remastersys or reconstructor)
[12:39] <joaopinto> well, usually a CD does not have the capacity for a fullbackup
[12:40] <joaopinto> so you do backups to a differente media and use a regular livecd for recovery
[12:40] <red2kic> Hello Testers: Could somebody test Dust theme? (With right-side for min,max,close).  I'm missing out on "Close" feature? :)
[12:40] <Dr_Willis> I recall some other make your own live cd tools.. but i never use them
[12:40] <messi92>  joaopinto: it can be a dvd too :) it is not probelm.. just i want a full backup...
[12:41] <Dr_Willis> https://build.reconstructor.org/#  wants a valid email address... too bad for them
[12:41] <joaopinto> messi92, then just learn to use a dvd burning tool :)
[12:43] <messi92> Dr_Willis: i have to use it. my system is edited for 6 weeks. i am not able to do them again (im not a good user) .
[12:43] <messi92>  joaopinto: i tell you that i can use many media devices like dvd :)
[12:43] <messi92> remastersys was good but i dont know why it doen not working on lucid.
[12:43] <aeon17x> Dr_Willis: then you sync music and stuff from your ubuntu desk/laptop... goodbye itunes! :)
[12:43] <joaopinto> probably there isn't much people with interest on these tools lately
[12:44] <ebischoff> Dr_Willis: blacklisting the fb kernel modules did not help
[12:44] <Dr_Willis> ebischoff:  bummer. Not tried it on my machine yet.,
[12:44] <ebischoff> Dr_Willis: do you get tjhe same problem with scrambled consoles ?
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> https://build.reconstructor.org/   dosent make a live  cd from your CURRENT install.. it can make its own live cd using its wizard.. from what im seeing
[12:45] <Dr_Willis> ebischoff:  i dont have the issue here.
[12:46] <messi92>  Dr_Willis:  ok. i understand. but please tell me if there is a chance to save all the drive as iso.
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> messi92:  im not sure what youa re trying to do exactly.  Even a live-cd-maker tool wouldent save yoru data files and stuff..
[12:46] <ebischoff> Dr_Willis: this issue is no real problem for me. I can always ssh from another computer if my X server dies. But I think that other future Lucid users could run into the same problem... with bigger consequences
[12:46] <Dr_Willis> messi92:  if you want to backup your system then use a backup tool
[12:46] <joaopinto> messi92, you can use mkisofs to create an iso, but it will not be bootable
[12:47] <messi92> joaopinto: what yu mean with "maybe not will be bootable" ?
[12:47] <messi92> how it will work ?
[12:47] <joaopinto> just any regular iso with contents
[12:47] <joaopinto> it contains your data
[12:47] <joaopinto> just as
[12:48] <joaopinto> you can restore from it after installing your system with a regular livecd
[12:49] <messi92> Dr_Willis: where is the backup tool ?
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> !backup
[12:49] <Dr_Willis> theres any of a dozen+ to choose from. It depends on how/what you want to backup
[12:49] <ebischoff> Dr_Willis: I also noticed I have the DRM package from nouveau.. while I'm not using it for the X server. Since plymouth depends on it, I can't remove it.
[12:49] <messi92>  Dr_Willis: i want o backup all my "/" drive (directory)
[12:50] <messi92> which software can make this ?
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> messi92:   You cam make image backups of a whole hard drive/filesystem
[12:50] <Dr_Willis> mondo/mindi can do that.. proberly others as well
[12:50] <messi92> ok i will try them now .... thank you!
[12:51] <ebischoff> messi : I simply do that on a DVD with dvd+rw-tools. Please notice that the 4.7 Gb of a DVD might not be enough for all your data
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> The remastersys forums wont even let you SEARCH unless you are a regiestered member.. so  i dont know of they have issues with 10.04 or not
[12:51] <Dr_Willis> a Full backup here - of my whole system to disl would take about 40 DVD's :)
[12:52] <messi92> ebischoff: it is enouhg. i try it with remastersys (but the iso file was a problem , so im trying another software)
[12:52] <ebischoff> Dr_Willis: yeah, as a matter of fact I have all my config files under SVN control, and it's only that that I backup ;-). So I'm cheating
[12:52] <messi92> ebischoff: also if it will not enouhg i will delete some of my softwares.. dont think about it for me :)
[12:52] <Dr_Willis> I got 8gb of wallpaper :)
[12:53] <messi92> dr willis send me them with a external hdd :D
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> I got them on floppy...
[12:53] <Dr_Willis> ;P
[12:53] <messi92> i dont have my datas(i mean not softwares, os ...) on my "/" directory...
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> You could just backup a listing of what you have instgalled.. so you can 'reinstall' it  with a similer command.
[12:54] <Dr_Willis> !clone
[12:55] <JoshuaL> awesome!
[12:55] <ebischoff> messi92:  yes, you can exclude mounted filesystems when you back up. cdrecord and/or dvd+rw-tools can be your friend to back up only a bare / filesystem if you have put all applicative stuff somewhere else
[12:56] <messi92>  ebischoff: sorry. my english is bad. can you tell it to me again ?
[13:03] <carlm> Hi, I managed to accidentially remove my Messaging menu (the little envelope) from my notification area today, and I can't find how to get it back! I only wanted to remove the bluetooth icon but it also removed the battery, sound and messaging menus. I've managed to get the battery indicator back, but sound and messaging are gone.. Any ideas?
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> the 2 are built in.. together
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> run the volume tool to get just a speaker
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> or reset the panels back to defaults
[13:04] <Dr_Willis> !resetpanel
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> google for 'remove social features 10.04' for some guides on tweaking it further.  webupd8.org  and OMBubuntu have some guides on the topic.
[13:05] <Dr_Willis> bye all
[13:07] <AceKing> I upgraded to Lucid on my PC yesterday. I switched the minimize, maximize, and shutdown buttons to the right and when I started up today I don't have minimize, maximize and shutdown. Anyway to get them back?
[13:08] <fabio333> wait
[13:09] <fabio333> gconf-editor | apps -> metacity -> general -> button-layout??
[13:10] <AceKing> fabio333, was that meant for me?
[13:12] <AceKing> Actually, I think something didn't load right. I can't even grab and move a window. I'm going to restart and see if they work
[13:16] <gcala> marienz: hi, just to say that have tried adding video=radeonfb in kernel line at grub menu but with no success.
[13:19] <marienz> well, yes
[13:19] <marienz> gcala: you probably do have to unblacklist the module. Just make sure you have a way to undo that (livecd) in case it fails spectacularly.
[13:20] <marienz> gcala: and have you actually tried the open drivers and decided they weren't working well enough? :)
[13:20] <CosmiChaos> Will we see the MOTUs upgrading nvidia-current to nvidia 5.6. quickly soon?
[13:20] <marienz> I think some people are still installing catalyst just from force of habit, even though the open drivers have improved, and are improving further faster than catalyst is.
[13:21] <CosmiChaos> Will we see the MOTUs upgrading nvidia-current to nvidia 195.36.24 quickly soon?
[13:21] <squiddy> USB not working with vbox in lucid. any workaround?
[13:25] <SandGorgon> squiddy, i hope ur using the nonfree virtualbox version.. not the ose
[13:26] <gcala> marienz: tried even unblacklist the module; the opensource ati driver in lucid is very very good (in comparison with karmic): native resolution at boot, smooth composition and nice even with some games, but with others it lacks fps and features; anyway it is very promising
[13:29] <squiddy> SandGorgon: yes, i'm using the non-OSE vbox
[13:29] <marienz> gcala: check if it's actually getting loaded (dmesg is probably of use here)
[13:30]  * marienz isn't of much use here since he avoids catalyst
[13:30] <marienz> still, I'm pretty sure that if you want catalyst and graphical plymouth boot simultaneously radeonfb is what you need to get working
[13:32] <red2kic> It is not possible to avoid plymouth?
[13:32] <squiddy> also, my vga is radeon 3200HD. before the driver is installed the progress bar (during booting) display is normal, but after is installed the driver the progress bar display become larger
[13:33] <squiddy> SandGorgon: i downloaded the vbox from virtualbox.org
[13:34] <red2kic> squiddy: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VirtualBox/USB
[13:34] <red2kic> squiddy: See "For Lucid"
[13:35] <gcala> marienz: in dmesg radeonfb compares only two times in lines with the whole kernel command line http://pastebin.com/3TaAmDmj
[13:36] <joaopinto> red2kic, no, plymouth is now a requirement
[13:37] <messi92> im reading this : https://help.ubuntu.com/community/MondoMindi      it writes that we have to burn each iso files onto a cd. after ubuntu will crashed, will i able to install it again from those CDs all my "/" directory ?
[13:37] <red2kic> joaopinto: I see. There are plymouth-theme-* -- If I don't use any theme, I get repeated lines during the cryptsetup prompt. Would you know how to fix that or is this related to grub2 options?
[13:38] <squiddy> red2kic: let me see it first, thanks
[13:38] <joaopinto> red2kic, if you mean you removed all the themes ?
[13:39] <red2kic> joaopinto: Yes.
[13:40] <joaopinto> hum, that pretty much explains the problem :P
[13:41] <red2kic> joaopinto: I don't think themes should be required. :(
[13:42] <joaopinto> red2kic, I think that even you want a text mode a specic theme is required
[13:42] <joaopinto> but I didn't played with those yet
[13:42] <red2kic> joaopinto: I'll try "plymouth-theme-text" -- I suppose.
[13:42] <CosmiChaos_>  Will we see the MOTUs upgrading nvidia-current to nvidia 5.6. quickly soon?
[13:42] <joaopinto> right
[13:42] <red2kic> If that is what I'm looking for. :)
[13:42] <joaopinto> red2kic, but does it render the system unbootable, removing the themes ?
[13:42] <GibbaTheHutt> hiya, just trying the kubuntu livecd, is there erm any trick for getting wireless working. I set my wireless conn (using wep, not ideal but needs to be that) with the correct ssid and key, but sits there doing nothing
[13:43] <yofel> CosmiChaos_: 5.6?
[13:43] <red2kic> joaopinto: No. You just get scrolling text. I have two separate encrypted hard drives, one for / and /home.
[13:44] <joaopinto> ah ok
[13:44] <red2kic> joaopinto: And it only scroll when you're typing in the passphrase.
[13:44] <yofel> CosmiChaos_: the nvidia page gives 195.36.15 as the latest linux driver
[13:45] <barberan> Why does not the VMware works with proper screen resolution on my toshiba p300 laptop? In other words, the Ubuntu 10.04 runs under VMware with 640*480, and I can not change it in any way I've tried.
[13:45] <bjsnider> yofel, they just released a new driver that supports the fermi/tesla cards
[13:45] <yofel> GibbaTheHutt: if the ssid is hidden then that's a known bug I think
[13:45] <joaopinto> barberan, are you running Ubuntu as a vmware guest ?
[13:46] <barberan> yes
[13:46] <GibbaTheHutt> yofel, thanks, yes it is hidden, do you know if there is a workaround, or a bug page for it ?
[13:46] <yofel> bjsnider: ah, do you know where I can find the release notes?
[13:46] <barberan> joaopinto: Under win-7
[13:46] <bjsnider> yofel, http://www.nvnews.net/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=150325
[13:46] <barberan> joaopinto: Also, I tried VirtualPC with the same scr-resol trouble
[13:47] <joaopinto> I only have experience with virtualbox
[13:47] <yofel> bjsnider: thanks
[13:47] <Jake2|cfl> Is there any way to make the "edge" grabber less sensitive.  It has to be so right, it is hard to grab.  A microinch off, and no-go
[13:47] <GibbaTheHutt> yofel, ah seen reference to the bug, thanks
[13:47] <joaopinto> for vbox you have a driver which properly integrates with the VM
[13:47] <guntbert> barberan: did you install the vmware tools?
[13:48] <gcala> how add radeonfb to initrd?
[13:48] <barberan> joaopinto: Where should I choose the guest OS( Ubuntu 10.04 in my case)s scr resolution? In the guest OS, or I should setup the program vmware
[13:48] <barberan> guntbert: I did not
[13:48] <guntbert> barberan: then you cannot get a different resolution - you will have to do that
[13:49] <guntbert> barberan: would be the same for virtual box as well (there they are called guest additions)
[13:50] <aaa__> i am running 10.04 and installed the daily drm-next kernel from the kernel ppa, and now the system wont work
[13:50] <barberan> guntbert: as far as I remember, I could not install the TOOLS, in some reasons, well, thank you, I am going to try install it again
[13:50] <aaa__> and i cant remove it with apt-get, cuz it refuses to open/lock the file
[13:50] <CosmiChaos_> yofel the latest driver is always accessible through ftp, watch it
[13:51] <CosmiChaos_> yofel, i meant 195.36.24 i repeated it
[13:51] <guntbert> barberan: Good luck :-)  - ah and you know that you have to install them into the guest (and not into the host)
[13:51] <yofel> CosmiChaos_: I usually just use what's in the repos, unless I find a good reason not to
[13:51] <CosmiChaos_> yofel, you can watch the topic of #nvidia too
[13:52] <CosmiChaos_> yofel, you can watch the release notes on nvnews, it notes fixing ABI for XServer 1.8 and lucid Xserver is 1.8
[13:52] <CosmiChaos_> yofel, actual nvidia-current is broken
[13:52] <bjsnider> CosmiChaos, no it is not
[13:52] <yofel> CosmiChaos_: errr... lucid xserver is 1.7.6
[13:52] <barberan> guntbert: so, if I run win-7+vm ware, and I am playing Ubuntu as a guest, I shall install tool in the ubuntu? Can I be sure, that ubuntu 10.04 has this tools compatable with win-7+vmware ?
[13:52] <CosmiChaos_> err what?
[13:53] <yofel> !info xserver-xorg-core | CosmiChaos_
[13:53] <aaa__> i installed the daily drm-next kernel from kernel ppa, and now system wont work ,and i cant remove it apt-get, cuz it say E: Could not open lock file /var/cache/apt/archives/lock - open
[13:53] <CosmiChaos_> seems i have a third party 1.8 :)
[13:54] <CosmiChaos> 2:1.8.0+git20100422+server-1.8-branch.5455df65-0ubuntu0sarvatt3
[13:54] <bjsnider> could be from xorg-edgers ppa
[13:54] <guntbert> barberan: the vmware tools have nothing to do with the host - I cannot guarantee that they will work on a beta version - vmware will say that is not supported yet :-)
[13:54] <yofel> CosmiChaos_: that's xorg-edgers :P
[13:54] <CosmiChaos> bjsnider, ooooh ok im completely silent xD
[13:54] <CosmiChaos> sry sry sry
[13:55] <CosmiChaos> but anyohow nvidia 195.36.24 supprts latest cards to + xserver 1.8
[13:56] <barberan> guntvert: I should try, thank very much for such a good explanation)
[13:56] <CosmiChaos> im currently running the 195.36.15 with IgnoreABI true and it runs stable
[13:56] <CosmiChaos> didnt even noticed that
[13:56] <CosmiChaos> oops
[13:56] <aaa__> if i run from live cd, can i install/update/remove packages from the install on the hard disk?
[13:57] <yofel> aaa__: after you chroot to the install yes
[13:57] <aaa__> how do i do that_
[13:58] <aaa__> think i found a forum thread
[13:58] <yofel> aaa__: follow https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Grub2#Recover%20Grub%202%20via%20LiveCD until the 'chroot' command
[13:58] <aaa__> ah thanks
[13:59] <aaa__> but my livecd is karmic, my install is lucid, is this a problem_
[13:59] <yofel> aaa__: unless the cd is 32bit and the installation 64bit no
[13:59] <vega> still no way of installing nvidia drivers from www.nvidia.com ?
[14:00] <bjsnider> vega, not unless yo like the idea of breaking your system
[14:00] <aaa__> install is 64-bit, livecd is 64-bit, but livecd is karmic, install is lucid, i dont want upgrade packages on lucid to old karmic stuff
[14:00] <vega> bjsnider: well.. installing them through "official" means also breaks my system, so..
[14:01] <yofel> aaa__: no, and you won't be able to access the cd from the chroot anyway
[14:01] <yofel> vega: how that?
[14:01] <bjsnider> vega, there aren't any bugs in nvidia-current at the present time
[14:02] <vega> yofel: bjsnider: installing through gnome menus results in boot to black screen after kernel messages and machine is completely dead, not accessible through network
[14:02] <vega> complete halt
[14:02] <vega> in 9.10 nvidia drivers worked fine with this hardware
[14:02] <bjsnider> what hardware?
[14:02] <vega> 8400gs
[14:02] <vega> integrated
[14:03] <vega> (machine also has gt200 pci-e, but integrated is primary in bios)
[14:03] <bjsnider> did you upgrade or clean install?
[14:03] <vega> clean install
[14:03] <vega> first thing i did was enable proprietary drivers and boot
[14:03] <bjsnider> you have 2 graphics cards?
[14:03] <vega> yes
[14:03] <bjsnider> why don't you use the gt 200?
[14:04] <bjsnider> it's better than the 8400
[14:04] <vega> not gt200, meaning gt220
[14:04] <vega> bjsnider: yes, but i'm waiting for alsa hdmi support for the gt220
[14:04] <vega> haven't had time to compile alsa yet etc. so i'm using old card for now
[14:05] <bjsnider> have you tried putting the cable into the newer card to check if that's working?
[14:05] <vega> yes, no output from there either
[14:05] <bjsnider> pull the gt out
[14:05] <vega> and judging from the network outage, it has crashed/halted ..
[14:06] <vega> i thought about removing the card, haven't done that yet..
[14:06] <bjsnider> don't think, do
[14:07] <bjsnider> i still don't understand why you don't use the gt 220
[14:07] <coz_> good day all
[14:07] <vega> bjsnider: because it's not possible to output sound through hdmi with it
[14:07] <vega> bjsnider: not without kludgeing like this: http://wiki.xbmc.org/index.php?title=HOW-TO_set_up_HDMI_audio_on_nVidia_GeForce_G210,_GT220,_or_GT240
[14:07] <bjsnider> and it isn't possible to do that from the 8400 either
[14:08] <vega> bjsnider: yes it is because it has spdif in
[14:08] <vega> gt220 doesn't so it needs driver support
[14:08] <bjsnider> hdmi audio is broken in all nvidia blobs after the 185
[14:09] <vega> i have a cable from motherboard spdif out to 8400gs directly, so that works fine
[14:09] <bjsnider> which nvidia driver were you using in karmic?
[14:09] <vega> latest from www.nvidia.com
[14:09] <Gokul> Hi
[14:10] <Gokul> I don't get an option to install 1004 RC
[14:10] <Gokul> if i run "update-manager -d"
[14:10] <Gokul> how do i get this option ?
[14:10] <yofel> Gokul: what are you running right now?
[14:10] <Gokul> karmic koala
[14:11] <IdleOne> Gokul: check in Software Sources under the Updates tab and make sure you have all releases selected at the bottom right
[14:11] <IdleOne> or something to the effect of All releases
[14:12] <IdleOne> effect or affect?
[14:12] <IdleOne> anyway you know what i mean I hope
[14:13] <bjsnider> vega, must some sort of passthrough situation with no driver involvement. there's no spdif header on the gt 220?
[14:13] <sirius-n900> hello
[14:16] <sirius-n900> guys how do i get the 10.04 lts installer to dualboot install with my suse linux enterprise desktop 11  distro already installed on my laptop?
[14:16] <sirius-n900> the only option it gives me is to wipe the existing linux install
[14:17] <sirius-n900> if i click advanced it wont let me resize the partition
[14:18] <sirius-n900> anyone?
[14:22] <vega> bjsnider: no spdif headers there, some brands have but they seem quite uncommon
[14:22] <vega> mine is an asus iirc
[14:22] <bjsnider> well that's very unfortunate isn't it?
[14:23] <dewman> I have encountered a issue with grub with 10.04. When I try to boot, I get grub_puts_ not found.....Not really sure what I need to do to get around this.
[14:23] <vega> bjsnider: well kinda, yes :)
[14:24] <sirius-n900> hmmm no one ever dualbooted 2 linux distros before?
[14:27] <yofel> sirius-n900: seems like nobody's here right now, maybe ask again later when the folks from america are here
[14:27] <dewman> I am thinking probably the best way to repair the grub2 issue is to download the live cd, and then do a a rescue system...
[14:27] <sirius-n900> hmmm ok
[14:35] <joaopinto> sirius-n900, which partition type is your SLE install ?
[14:35] <sirius-n900> ext3
[14:36] <joaopinto> you can resize the partition using the partition editor from the livecd
[14:36] <joaopinto> before installing
[14:36] <sirius-n900> two ext3s and 1 swap, 8 want to shrink the largest one which is /home
[14:36] <sirius-n900> 8 = I
[14:36] <joaopinto> you can share the swap
[14:37] <sirius-n900> is sharing swap a bad idea?
[14:38] <sirius-n900> or does it not really matter
[14:38] <joaopinto> it doesn't matter, swap is scrapped on every reboot
[14:38] <joaopinto> unless you use suspend
[14:39] <sirius-n900> i do
[14:39] <joaopinto> well, suspend uses swap, suspending from one OS and then resuming from the other would be fatal :P
[14:39] <sirius-n900> hehe
[14:40] <sirius-n900> gparted is on the livecd?
[14:40] <Crashbit> yes
[14:40] <sirius-n900> hmmm
[14:42] <bramming9x> Hi. Every time i boot into ubuntu, i have to go to applications->sound & video-> gnome alsa mixer, and then turn up volume on "speaker". is there any way i can make it do it automatically?
[14:49] <jayvee> Okay, so I'm trying to run "do-release-upgrade -d". It downloads "lucid.tar.gz" and attempts to authenticate it against "lucid.tar.gz.gpg". Unfortuantely it fails: gpg: BAD signature from "Ubuntu Archive Automatic Signing Key <ftpmaster@ubuntu.com>"
[14:49] <joaopinto> bramming9x, you should file a bug report
[14:49] <jayvee> Has Ubuntu changed their signing keys since last release or something?
[14:50] <joaopinto> jayne, I did an upgrade this morning without problems
[14:52] <Gokul> IdleOne, Hi
[14:52] <IdleOne> heya Gokul
[14:52] <Gokul> IdleOne, i ran "gksu" and then entered "update-manager -d"
[14:52] <Gokul> and it is runnning
[14:53] <scopecreep> not sure about signing but thre was an update to update-manager this morning
[14:53] <scopecreep> try updating it first
[14:53] <IdleOne> Gokul: cool.
[14:53] <jayvee> joaopinto: yeah it actually worked last night, but I had to go to bed, so I cancelled it while it was downloading the packages, when the cancel button was still enabled.
[14:54] <Gokul> IdleOne, i am no linuxpert .. but i can't wait till the date ! :-P
[14:54] <jayvee> So I think the problem is that it has updated the key in a catch-22 situation.
[14:54] <IdleOne> Gokul: I have been running 10.04 for 2+ months already :)
[14:55] <Gokul> IdleOne, are you a "developer" ? or any category similar to that ?
[14:56] <Gokul> IdleOne, does using this irc client affect the upgrade process ?  :-O
[14:56] <Gokul> IdleOne, Because it is idle showing "calculating changes" for long time
[14:57] <jayvee> Gokul: no, not a chance
[14:57] <IdleOne> Gokul: be patient and no irc won't affect the upgrade
[14:57] <Gokul> IdleOne, Could not calculate the upgrade An unresolvable problem occurred while calculating the upgrade:The package 'ubuntu-desktop' is marked for removal but it is in the removal blacklist. This can be caused by: * Upgrading to a pre-release version of Ubuntu * Running the current pre-release version of Ubuntu * Unofficial software packages not provided by UbuntuIf none of this applies, then please report this bug against the 'update-manager' package an
[14:57] <Gokul> d include the files in /var/log/dist-upgrade/ in the bug report.
[14:57] <Gokul> I got this :'( ^^
[14:58] <IdleOne> did you blacklist ubuntu-desktop?
[14:58] <Gokul> IdleOne, i didn't  . even if i did that, how should i undo it ?
[14:59] <IdleOne> Gokul: first make sure karmic is updated
[14:59] <Gokul> IdleOne, it is . it is fully updated
[14:59] <IdleOne> I don't know where one would even blacklist a package
[15:00] <Gokul> jayvee, ?
[15:00] <Gokul> jayvee, are you there ? do yo know ?
[15:01] <Gokul> or should i ask this question "how to un-blacklist"  in the #ubuntu ..... ??
[15:01] <johnnyCbad> Hello, my nVidia drivers have not been preforming correctly since an update some weeks ago. On boot I get no window decoration (titlebar missing and cursor displays large X) and removing completly and reinstalling does not seem to fix it. If I click "Normal" effects in appearance dialog it says "Searching for available drivers" and the screen flickers and window decoration starts working but desktop effects a
[15:01] <johnnyCbad> e not enabled and when I reopen appearence it says "none" for desktop effects
[15:02] <johnnyCbad> Sorry about length of that, can anyone help?
[15:05] <yofel> Gokul: an upgrade should never try to remove ubuntu-desktop, maybe try it again in a few hours
[15:05] <Gokul> trying after few hours will help , but i dont understand how !!
[15:06] <Gokul> ?
[15:06] <Gokul> yofel, are you sure that i wont get the same error message?? unless i undo that , how would i get it working after few houurs ?
[15:06] <Gokul> yofel, sorry.
[15:08] <yofel> Gokul: we're getting last minute bugfixes in these days before the release so the package archive might be a bit inconsistent from time to time, and if a package (version) conflict occurs update-manager might try to remove ubuntu-desktop in an (possibly wrong) attempt to fix that
[15:08] <lucidNoWorky> so I just had a clean install of the lucid RC and when attempting to boot in for the first time i get a pretty gruesome error after the GRUB menu
[15:08] <Gokul> yofel, Ok..thanks for replying... I shall try after few hours... Thankyou.!
[15:09] <joaopinto> lucidNoWorky, what error do you get ?
[15:09] <lucidNoWorky> "invalid magic number, must load kernel first failed to load main and fallback entries, the revolution will not be televised, bwarrr"
[15:09] <lucidNoWorky> it does this for both the regular kernel option and the recovery
[15:09] <lucidNoWorky> i am not dualbooting anything
[15:09] <lucidNoWorky> and ive been running lucid since alpha 3 before this...
[15:09] <lucidNoWorky> im running the RC off a liveUSB right now
[15:10] <lucidNoWorky> flawlessly i might add
[15:11] <Gokul> IdleOne, yofel  bye. I am going to watch a movie called "Equilibrium".
[15:11] <lucidNoWorky> i should clarify that this error prevents me from going any farther
[15:11] <yofel> lucidNoWorky: do older kernel entries still work?
[15:12] <lucidNoWorky> yofel, it was a clean install, there are no older kernel entries
[15:12] <yofel> you said you were running it since alpha3?
[15:12] <lucidNoWorky> yes, and then i reinstalled it, which wiped everything out :)
[15:12] <yofel> oh
[15:13] <yofel> then at least I am clueless, never heard of that error before
[15:13] <bramming9x> Hi. i just updated my system and now my xserver is broke. i can only boot up in low graphics-mode. i have an NVidia g105m graphic card. tried restoring my old xorg.conf file but it doesnt work. Anyone have any idea what to do?
[15:14] <guntbert> lucidNoWorky: as possibly very dumb question: did you md5sum check the image?
[15:14] <guntbert> *a
[15:14] <bramming9x> oh and to clarify things. i was running 10,04 prior to the upgrade that broke my xserver :)
[15:15] <yofel> bramming9x: I got a similiar thing 2 days ago, updating again an rebooting fixed that though, haven't updated today yet
[15:16] <lucidNoWorky> guntbert, i did not, actually
[15:16] <lucidNoWorky> guntbert, i suppose that might be a good first step
[15:16] <bramming9x> yofel ah ok. i'll wait some time then. which graphic card do you use?
[15:16] <Quartz> Hello. Who uses rubyripper on ubuntu 10.04?
[15:16] <guntbert> lucidNoWorky: it might :)
[15:17] <yofel> bramming9x: 250GTS
[15:17] <bramming9x> yofel ah ok. just wondering if i should file a bug report. i have no clue on what info to gather though.
[15:18] <yofel> bramming9x: usually /var/log/Xorg.0.log and Xorg.0.log.old should say why it failed (use .old as the other one might be the failsave-x log)
[15:19] <joaopinto> bramming9x, just using ubuntu-bug xorg will collect the required files
[15:19] <Jake2|cfl> Is there any way to make the "edge" grabber less sensitive. It has to be so right, it is hard to grab. A microinch off, and no-go. 10.04RC.
[15:20] <bramming9x> yofel and joaopinto : ok thanks will try that :)
[15:21] <johnnyCbad> bramming9x: Have the same problem myself pretty much
[15:21] <Frap> i installed daily drm-next kernel from ppa, now ubuntu is messed up and work with my proprietary nvidia drivers, why?
[15:22] <Frap> wont work*
[15:22] <lucidNoWorky> guntbert, md5sum is a match
[15:22] <bramming9x> seems like we are many that had our nvidia driver screwed up by the new update today
[15:22] <Frap> what new update?
[15:22] <Frap> anyone know how to fix that? i thought it cuz i installed drm-next kernel
[15:23] <bramming9x> well i just updated my system and now i can only boot into low graphics mode. seems like theres problems with the nvidia driver or x-server
[15:23] <Frap> oh
[15:24] <guntbert> lucidNoWorky: hmm - does recovery mode work?  (you see I have no real idea what might be going on - just trying to help you to get a picture)
[15:24] <Frap> bramming9x, i see nothing about it on ubuntuforums
[15:25] <lucidNoWorky> guntbert, same error message when i select recovery mdoe
[15:25] <bramming9x> Frap too bad. but thanks for looking at forums for me :)
[15:25] <Frap> hehe
[15:25] <Frap> anyone know how to fix this nvidia thing?
[15:25] <Frap> perhaps mine is related to drm-next kernel i got from ppa
[15:26] <guntbert> lucidNoWorky: next question: how did you install (live CD or alternate.....)?
[15:27] <lucidNoWorky> guntbert, i took the default i386 iso and used unetbootin to put it on a liveusb, then installed from the desktop
[15:28] <lucidNoWorky> i suppose my next debugging step would be to rule out unetbootin and use the standard ubuntu usb creator, i just havent had trouble with unetbootin before
[15:28] <Bookman_> My DVD burner is not being recognized by Ubuntu, any ideas why?
[15:29] <BluesKaj> howdy folks
[15:29] <Frap> hi
[15:30] <guntbert> lucidNoWorky: please (if possible) reboot from that usb again and select "check the CD" in the menu.  CAUTION  you will most likely get a blank screen or so - just switch to another VT to see the output (alt+left)
[15:36] <Bookman_> Actually it sees the drive, just no media, no matter what I throw at it.
[15:37] <Pirate_Hunter> I haven't been keeping track of what has been happening with lucid but how stable is it when using it as a web server or with a distributed file system?
[15:38] <Pirate_Hunter> I know it has been a while since lucid been released so I suspect their has been major improvements
[15:38] <Frap> its RC so should be pretty stable, i hope
[15:41] <sveinse> What controls which monitor gets the gnome menus and the other panels? I'm running nvidia driver with twinview
[15:42] <ZykoticK9> sveinse, with twinview you can "move" the gnome panel to the monitor you want
[15:44] <Pirate_Hunter> no one here has tried runing lucid as a productive server that can give me their opinion on its stability?
[15:44] <JoshuaL> lucid is still in testing stages
[15:44] <JoshuaL> so noone runs it as a production server
[15:44] <JoshuaL> once the stable release is out you should be able to use it
[15:44] <SwedeMike> Pirate_Hunter: it all depends on what you do, for some things it'll be fine, for some things it wont be
[15:44] <JoshuaL> as production server that is
[15:45] <sveinse> ZykoticK9: How? Because if I open nvidia-settings and disable one monitor, the panels move to the other. Now if I enable both monitors again, the panel stays on the first monitor. This way I can control which monitor gets the panels
[15:45] <sveinse> After one reboot, and I need to reconfigure the panel placements all over
[15:45] <ZykoticK9> sveinse, don't have a solution for that one - best of luck
[15:46] <sveinse> Something in gnome decides which monitor to embed to anyways
[15:46] <switchgirl> http://paste.ubuntu.com/421714/ gwibber isn't working properly yet is authed ok
[15:46] <Jake2|cfl> Is there any way to make the window "edge" grabber less sensitive. It has to be so right, it is hard to grab. A microinch off, and no-go. LucidRC.
[15:48] <Pirate_Hunter> In other words I would still have to wait two months for the final release which is not desirable or I could take a shot at using it now and fix the problems as they arise
[15:48] <Jake2|cfl> 10.04 is to be released on the 29th
[15:48] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  yeah that has been a big problem forever with many themes... this is why emerald was a great help because you could easily increase the window edge
[15:49] <bramming9x> cant wait for the release :D
[15:49] <Jake2|cfl> coz_: is emerald in lucid?
[15:49] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  you may be able to edit the gtkrc file for that theme to increase  the pixels on the edges
[15:50] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,   I dont think so guy... support has stopped for emerald and we havent come up with an alternative yet  although it has been discussed once
[15:50] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  I doubt emerald will work in lucid
[15:51] <Pirate_Hunter> Jake2|cfl: 29th yet as I check the site the current release is alpha 2
[15:51] <Jake2|cfl> cozziemoto: where does one input enhancement requests as opposed to bug reports?
[15:51] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  I dont believe it is even in the repositories now
[15:51] <slide23_> How do I install sun java in lucid? It doesn't appear to be available in the universe anymore
[15:51] <Jake2|cfl> coz: not cozzie
[15:51] <ZykoticK9> slide23_, add the partner repo
[15:51] <sveinse> Jake2|cfl: You are talking about resizing and such? I find using Alt + Middle mouse extremely useful for resizing
[15:51] <coz_> slide23_,   open synaptic   hit  Settings and go to repositories
[15:52] <coz_> slide23_,  go under the "Other software" tab and tick any boxes there
[15:52] <Jake2|cfl> sveinse: I am usually trying to make windows wider or narrower
[15:53] <Pirate_Hunter> can someone provide me the link for the server install of lucid as the current link found on the ubuntu site is broken and I don't need the uec/ce2 version
[15:53] <sveinse> Jake2|cfl: Well, I use Alt+Middle mouse for that as well. The nice thing about it is that you dont have to hit the exact pixel to resize
[15:53] <slide23_> thanks guys
[15:54] <slide23_> doesnt help on a laptop
[15:54] <slide23_> heh
[15:54] <ZykoticK9> Jake2|cfl, emerald is still in Lucid - but see the !emerald factoid
[15:54] <coz_> Pirate_Hunter,   try here and scroll down near to the bottom   http://releases.ubuntu.com/lucid/
[15:54] <slide23_> i find resizing very difficult, gotta get the exact right pixel
[15:54] <Jake2|cfl> sveinse: I didn't know that trick, will try it.
[15:55] <Pirate_Hunter> thanks coz_
[15:55] <Jake2|cfl> slide23_: yep, exactly what I was talking about
[15:55] <coz_> Pirate_Hunter,  no problem
[15:56] <slide23_> hrm well, alt+both mouse buttons works on my laptop but thats a lot more awkard heh
[15:57] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  sorry I meant you could edit the metaciy part of the theme to increase border width
[15:57] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  here is a post about that    http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=439329
[15:58] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  some themes like the homosapien  theme on gnome-look come with a metacity editor
[15:59] <coz_> http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php?content=119496
[15:59] <Jake2|cfl> coz_: metacity is in gconf-editor as is.  Is that what you meant?
[16:00] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  i didnt check in gconf if the padding for the borders are available there but its possible
[16:01] <Jake2|cfl> anyone: where do you suggest enhancements (like easier edge grab) vs. bug reports?
[16:01] <coz_> Jake2|cfl,  I thought maybe  gnome-color-chooser  would have a setting for border padding but I dont see it
[16:02] <Jake2|cfl> edge grab doesn't have to be wider borders; could be looser proximity sensing.
[16:02] <Ian_Corne> anyone else notice google-chrome-unstable never exiting after all windows are closed?
[16:03] <Ian_Corne> well not never
[16:03] <Ian_Corne> sometimes..
[16:03] <Pirate_Hunter> anyone can suggest any decent but light distributed file system with fault tolerance other than mogilefs and glusterfs?
[16:08] <dabaR> I get this No Logon Servers message whenever I leave my computer for a while and then try to sudo or when I first login.
[16:08] <dabaR> Heard of that?
[16:21] <Quartz> hello
[16:22] <nightstalker> hello!
[16:22] <ratcheer> Hi, quartz
[16:22] <Quartz> Who has tested rubyripper on 10.04?
[16:24] <Quartz> On my system, thespeed of extraction looks normal, but the comparison of the two pass is extremly long
[16:25] <Quartz> Has ruby been modify between 9.10and 10.04?
[16:25] <Quartz> modified*
[16:25] <nukelacity> hey i was here the other day with a problem about a RaLink RT2500 wireless card.. well id like to let you know i have sorted out the problem.. but now another problem has arisen.. i was wondering if anyone could help me with this
[16:26] <nukelacity> basically right now my card is finding my network.. but only mine no others (next doors, over the road etc..) and also when i click to connect it tries to connect but after about a minute or two it gives up
[16:26] <nukelacity> so does anyone have any ideas what the problem could be? and/or how to fix it
[16:27] <Quartz> nukelacity: this is a good opportunity to move on ethernet, think to the health of your neighbours :]
[16:28] <nukelacity> xD i dont use my neighbours.. im just saying its not finding anyone elses networks whereas my laptop (what im on now) does xD
[16:28] <guntbert> where could I take a look at the 10.04 version of the server guide?
[16:28] <BluesKaj> nukelacity, you might try wicd , nm is terribly flaky on wifi
[16:29] <nukelacity> how do i set up and use wicd in ubuntu? without the internet xD
[16:29] <nukelacity> now it cant even find my own network -_- should i try broadcasting my network on another channel maybe? would that increase the range
[16:29] <Quartz> nukelacity: Ethernet cables are your friends!
[16:30] <nukelacity> lol i cant get an ethernet cable down to the router.. id have to drill through my floor and my dad wont let me -_- i wonder why xD
[16:30] <BluesKaj> nukelacity, got access to another pc and a usb stick?
[16:30] <nukelacity> yeah im on my laptop now and my usb sticks around here somewhere xD
[16:31] <nukelacity> my desktops the one with the problems lol
[16:32] <BluesKaj> ok, find the wicd open source app on it's site DL it to your usb stick and install it on the linux pc
[16:32] <Quartz> nukelacity: This is not a problem: an ethernet cable is designed to conduct a signal on a distance of 100m in an aggressive environment, electromagneticaly speaking.
[16:32] <BluesKaj> bbiab
[16:32] <nukelacity> is it a .deb file? i can only install them at the moment because as ive not yet had access to the internet with it i cant compile anything
[16:33] <nukelacity> and quartz i have no way of connecting the cable from my pc to my router xD
[16:35] <Quartz> ? a lazptop without ethernet port exists? What is this horror model? :p
[16:35] <researcher1> I am working with Ubuntu 10.04 but when it will be  released in April 29 will I have to install fresh copy?
[16:35] <Quartz> You need wicd-gtk and
[16:35] <Quartz> wicd-daemon
[16:35] <ratcheer> researcher1: No
[16:35] <nukelacity> LOL! quartz no yoo dont get it xD lmao! im on my laptop now.. that connects to wireless fine.. its my desktop that the wireless doesnt work in xD
[16:37] <nukelacity> will the wicd deb file have both the wicd-gtk and wicd-daemon?
[16:37] <enav> hello
[16:38] <researcher1> ratcheer: thanks. Will I have to just update?
[16:38] <Reckon> hola a tod@s | Hello everybody
[16:38] <enav> after install 10.04 i got a black screen
[16:38] <Reckon> Hey buddies, is there any known issue regarding the gnome-clock applet?
[16:38] <ratcheer> researcher1: Yes, just keep up with the apt-get updates and you will be there.
[16:40] <ratcheer> Reckon: Have you checked on Launchpad?
[16:41] <Reckon> ratcheer, I just booted and got an error dialog msg closing the clock applet
[16:41] <Reckon> where can I check the logs?
[16:41] <ratcheer> Reckon: I get no hits for gnome-clock in Lucid bugs
[16:42] <Reckon> Yea, I was looking for any also, but no luck
[16:42] <Reckon> that's why I asked
[16:42] <ratcheer> Reckon: Ok, sorry.
[16:42] <Reckon> no, thanks for looking up. 4 eyes see more than 2
[16:44] <ratcheer> Reckon: try viewing /var/log/messages
[16:46] <researcher1> ratcheer: ok.Thanks
[16:47] <Reckon> Is there any article delving into the Ubuntu boot process? I'm really interested on it
[16:48] <nukelacity> i just installer wicd-manager like you said and i also uninstalled network-manager because it told me to, now it wont find any connections :/
[16:49] <trevesa> anyone else having trouble with lucid rc and the notification area icons? sometimes the volume gets duplicated, and sometimes the network doesn't appear at all (but I seem to get internet connectivity, but the icon is not there)
[16:50] <Reckon> trevesa, I only had an issue today. My clock vanished. But I know the "volume" icon is a common issue.
[16:50] <Reckon> I've heard several times about it
[16:50] <trevesa> Reckon: ok, well I haven't had any problems with the clock... yet
[16:50] <nukelacity> ive gotta go.. ill come back and get this sorted some other time lol xD thanks for the help so far guys
[16:53] <Ascavasaion> What is the /dev/ device name for USB memory stick?
[16:53] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: it'll be a /dev/sd* where * depends
[16:53] <Ascavasaion> Ta penguin42
[16:54] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: Only sda* entries.
[16:54] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: and those are used for my hard disk partitions.
[16:55] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: That's unusual, it sounds like it's not seeing the stick; can you do an lsusb and put it into a pastebinh?
[16:55] <Ascavasaion> lsusb works like a charm
[16:55] <Ascavasaion> See the USB.
[16:55] <Ascavasaion> sees the USB
[16:56] <penguin42> how about /proc/partitions?
[16:56] <arand> A dmsegs, from just after the point of inserting the device might be informative penguin42 Ascavasaion
[16:56] <arand> *dmesg
[16:56] <Ascavasaion> http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/421737/
[16:57] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: I'm guessing the SanDisk is your USB storage
[16:57] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: Does it show in /proc/partitions ?
[16:57] <Ascavasaion> dmesg output - [ 1082.688443] hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 4
[16:57] <Reckon> nothing in /media either?
[16:58] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: does not show in /proc/partitions
[16:59] <Ascavasaion> Reckon: No... when I insert it I suspect it tries to mount the usb from /dev/fd  But thatnis only an idea.
[16:59] <arand> Ascavasaion: That error message is probably the problem right there...
[16:59] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: that unable to enumerate is unusual - I've not seen it with storage before; I assume you've tried unplugging and plugging back in?
[16:59] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: Repeatedly and with different memory sticks.  Other USB devices like bluetooth dong works though.
[17:00] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: Weird
[17:00] <Ascavasaion> dong=dongle
[17:00] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: I agree
[17:00] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: Is this direct into a port on the machine or into a hub?
[17:00] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: Directly.
[17:00] <penguin42> hmm very weird
[17:01] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: I agree
[17:01] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: Can you pastebin the whole of your dmesg?
[17:01] <Jake2|cfl>  Looking for a file VIEWER that has no 'save' function...view only.
[17:01] <Jake2|cfl> graphical
[17:02] <Reckon> Ascavasaion, have you checked if you are a member of the group "pludev" ?
[17:04] <Reckon> group "plugdev" sorry
[17:05] <penguin42> Reckon: Worth checking, but even if he isn't it should show up in /proc/partitions
[17:06] <Ascavasaion> I am a member of plugdev group
[17:07] <Ascavasaion> Reckon: I am a member of plugdev group
[17:07] <letalis> well i must say, this is far more stable than 9.1 was out of the gate.
[17:07] <letalis> LOL
[17:10] <disk1of5> hey all im looking to install10.04 rc but after 10.04 is offically released will i have to do any thing other then a regular system update  to be updated from RC to 10.04 final?
[17:10] <ratcheer> disk1of5: No, that's all.
[17:10] <Jake2|cfl> disk1of5: like the nick.  I've been TOLD that an update will work.
[17:11] <s0u][ight> 10.04 broke my harddisk
[17:11] <disk1of5> perfect thnx :)  also one more quick thing.. has the netbook remix UI changed or is it still awkwardish (for me at least)
[17:11] <disk1of5> Jake2|cfl, thnx :)
[17:12] <s0u][ight> my harddisk isn't recognized at boot
[17:13] <jo-erlend> can we setup raid in the graphical installer now, or do I still have to use the alternate?
[17:18] <s0u][ight> is there any way to get my hard disk back to working?
[17:24] <pakete> hey all
[17:26] <pakete> when pressed restart it shows black screen with TERM signals...only then it shows splash with progress bar....How to get rid of black screen?
[17:26] <pakete> or it has to be there?
[17:28] <Ascavasaion> sda = my first Hard disk... I cannot figure out what /dev entry m USB memory stick is using.  lsusb locates it.
[17:30] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: If it's not showing up in /proc/partitions I suspect it really hasn't got a /dev entry
[17:30] <pakete> can some one tell how to solve black screen?
[17:31] <Ascavasaion> penguin42: how do I remedy that?  A reboot with USB device plugged in?
[17:31] <penguin42> Ascavasaion: Don't know - it's not obvious to me why it's failing
[17:34] <ratcheer> s0u][ight: Can gparted on a Live CD see the disk?
[17:35] <s0u][ight> the computer hangs on bios screen when the harddisk is attached
[17:35] <s0u][ight> when attached after live cd boot
[17:35] <ratcheer> s0u][ight:  Ouch!
[17:35] <pakete> can someone ell how to disable blac k screen with text before showing splash screen on restart???
[17:35] <s0u][ight> dmesg gives it the respons is low
[17:37] <fox-m> can someone suggest how to make restart without black screen and text...?
[17:38] <s0u][ight> ratcheer, what now? :D
[17:38] <s0u][ight> it was a gpt partitioned disk
[17:39] <ratcheer> s0u][ight: I don't know.
[17:39] <hudnix> So after updating and rebooting this morning, my window decorations are messed up. Just have basic buttons on the left side of the titlebar, and nothing I do to change it in system settings has any effect.
[17:39] <hudnix> In fact system settings still thinks I have my same old settings.
[17:40] <hudnix> In KDE, btw.
[17:41] <ronnie_vd_c> when i login with my Yubikey, i have to refill my wireless key every time. I expected to get an gnome-keyring unlock box. When i login with my normal password, the wireless connects without asking anything
[17:49] <lalalol> hey guys, when ill click upgrade, what will happen to my wallpapers for example?
[17:50] <ratcheer> lalalol: I upgraded and it kept everything. Including some stuff I wish it had replaced, such as my alsa driver. It did keep my wallpaper.
[17:50] <BluesKaj> lalalol, if you upgrade everything on your desktop shold remain the same
[17:51] <fox-m> can anyone help with plymouth??? why does it show black screen before showing splash??? - when pressed restart?????
[17:51] <DefaultTo0> I'm having the same issue as fox-m, I have a blank screen for about 20 seconds before the splash screen.
[17:51] <lalalol> ratcheer, you mentioned something interesting
[17:52] <lalalol> ratcheer, lucid has better drivers available or so?
[17:52] <ratcheer> lalalol: What's that?
[17:52] <josephnexus> I've had xorg seg fault on me a few times
[17:52] <josephnexus> the backtrace says about about wacom_drv
[17:52] <josephnexus> anyone else experiencing this?
[17:52] <josephnexus> (I use a wacom bamboo tablet)
[17:52] <fox-m> is there a way to stop it? it is kind of stupid, it shos text and only then it shos splash....i have reconfigured plymouth - still no change
[17:53] <ratcheer> fox-m: There are threads a mile long on ubuntuforums about that.
[17:53] <z3r0-c001> wow my movie player wont play legitimate movies only black market is there a fix for this
[17:54] <lalalol> ratcheer, ?
[17:54] <ratcheer> z3r0-c001: try vlc and libdvdcss2
[17:54] <z3r0-c001> just install them or what
[17:55] <ratcheer> lalalol: Most drivers are the same as Karmic, a few are newer.
[17:55] <lalalol> ratcheer, and how do you get the better ones then? :s
[17:56] <ratcheer> Yes, install them and use vlc as your movie player. If you're talking about playing DVD movies.
[17:57] <z3r0-c001> if i install vlc does the other install automaticly
[17:57] <josephnexus> you have to run one command in the terminal
[17:57] <josephnexus> it's easy to do
[17:57] <josephnexus> if you'd like, I can post the command here for you to use
[17:57] <ratcheer> lalalol: Well, for example, to get my alsa driver updated, I had to install the alsa backports for kernel 2.6.32-21
[17:57] <DefaultTo0> Can anyone point me in the direction of an UbuntuForums thread where they get the issue with Grub -> blank screen for 20 seconds -> short splash screen -> login resolved?
[17:58] <lalalol> ratcheer, im a newbie, will the final take care of that for me?
[17:58] <ratcheer> lalalol: Based on what happened to me, no. Not unless you do a fresh install.
[17:59] <bryanr> This may seem unbelievable but deep down beneath the earth's crush there are wars between people and ancient species. we use ubuntu to plan our strategic suicide bombings. I once was a kamikaze ninja. My missions are well documented on the ubuntu computers underground. Typically I was ordered to penetrate defenses with my awesome powers and then self-destruct at the core of the enemy base.
[17:59] <pibarnas> hi folks, cant install language packages or the package upgrades through kpackagekit... error message: Failed to fetch http://br.archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/t/ttf-khmeros/ttf-khmeros-core_5.0-3ubuntu1_all.deb 403 Forbidden [IP: 200.17.202.1 80]
[17:59] <lalalol> ratcheer, darn >.<
[17:59] <bryanr> my hands still shake from the wars
[18:00] <josephnexus> pibarnas, try a diff mirror
[18:00] <LtHummus> how do I change what version of nvidia drivers I have installed?  I have 195 but I'd like to try 190
[18:01] <LtHummus> or are there any known issues with ubuntu 10.04 having choppy playback when using VDPAU?
[18:02] <ratcheer> DefaultTo0: Here is the main one I am thinking about: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1416872 It is over 50 pages long, but lots of info. Other plymouth threads are in the same sub-forum.
[18:02] <DefaultTo0> Thanks ratcheer, I'll take a look
[18:02] <ratcheer> bryanr: That is amazing.
[18:03] <bryanr> ratcheer, it wouldn't be without ubuntu :)
[18:03] <josephnexus> bryanr.... that's schweet
[18:03] <bryanr> uh oh mom is home
[18:03] <bryanr> brb
[18:04] <ninjai__> If I boot up ubuntu now my screen goes black and I dont hear the startup noise.  I *think* I accidentally powered it off during an apt-get upgrade.... so im on a live cd right now, chrooted into my system and the X log shows this: http://pastebin.com/K1C2LPcf
[18:04] <josephnexus> ninjai_ : something went horribly wrong
[18:04] <josephnexus> can you have it finish the update?
[18:04] <ninjai__> and dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg just doesn't do anything
[18:05] <ninjai__> ya i finished updating
[18:05] <josephnexus> hmm
[18:05] <ninjai__> i dont know how the x server works in 10.04 because it doesn't use an xorg.conf
[18:06] <ratcheer> ninjai_: What video driver are you using?
[18:06] <ratcheer> nouveau?
[18:06] <ninjai__> i dont know... i think it should be intel
[18:06] <penguin42> ninjai_: It normally works most things out for itself, if you give it an xorg.conf it'll use it
[18:07] <ninjai__> ok i just copied a failsafe to xorg.conf... ill be back
[18:07] <ninjai__> rebooting..
[18:08] <LtHummus> how does the alternatives system work in Ubuntu 10.04?  From the 'new features' page "Three different NVIDIA proprietary drivers are currently available: nvidia-current (190.53), nvidia-173, and nvidia-96. Thanks to a new alternatives system, it is now possible to install all three of these packages at the same time (although it is only possible to have one configured for use at a time).   "
[18:08] <DefaultTo0> If Plymouth was generating errors etc, where would these be stored?
[18:08] <ninjai__> oh! lthummus... ill get to that in 1 sec, brb
[18:12] <ninjai__> LtHummus: I have this from dpkg -l: http://pastebin.com/zYKnWKvV
[18:12] <LtHummus> ninjai__: thx
[18:17] <BluesKaj> LtHummus, normally with nvidia the nvidia-current driver will be the one to use
[18:17] <LtHummus> BluesKaj: that's the one that I have installed, but VDPAU isn't working properly
[18:18] <bjsnider> LtHummus, with which media player?
[18:18] <LtHummus> bjsnider: XBMC
[18:18] <ensignkim> Updated my 10.04 beta yesterday, now unable to log in as gdm login screen is frozen accepting no input from mouse or keyboard. My laptop is amd64; intel gfx. Someone suggested booting in recovery mode - how do i do this?
[18:18] <LtHummus> SD playback is fine, but HD playback is very choppy
[18:20] <BluesKaj> ensignkim, choose the recovery kernel at the grub boot menu
[18:20] <BluesKaj> LtHummus, try vlc
[18:20] <ensignkim> BluesKaj: I don't get a grub boot menu?
[18:20] <bjsnider> LtHummus, you need the libvdpau1 package. is it installed?
[18:21] <Clorox> So, I popped in here just to say I love Lucid Lynx. :D
[18:21] <LtHummus> BluesKaj: i'll give that a shot stand by
[18:21] <LtHummus> bjsnider: checking....
[18:21] <bjsnider> vlc will not work with vdpau
[18:22] <LtHummus> bjsnider: ahhh it appears it's not installed, installing now :)
[18:22] <shadeslayer> hey i have a small mouse pointer theme issue
[18:23] <racquad> hi guys, I have just upgraded from 9.10 to 10.04 RC and my PHP just stoped running under userdir... it works under all other dirs, but ~/public_html is down for PHP. Anyone with the same problem?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> i started a KDE app and the mouse now has the kde theme,how do i get the gnome theme back? :P
[18:23] <ensignkim> BluesKaj: the first thing i see is the purple ubuntu splash screen; how do i get to the grub menu?
[18:23] <shadeslayer> ensignkim: press esc after the bios loads
[18:24] <LtHummus> bjsnider: that did it! thanks a million
[18:25] <BluesKaj> bjsnider, vlc doesn't play HD ?
[18:25] <ensignkim> shadeslayer: I've tried that - all I get after pressing ESC is a black screen with boot messages, the first of which is "getpwuid_r(): failed due to unknown user id (0)
[18:25] <shadeslayer> ensignkim: heh...
[18:26] <shadeslayer> ensignkim: do you have any other OS's on the HD?
[18:26] <ensignkim> shadeslayer: no
[18:26] <BluesKaj> ensignkim, sudo update-grub
[18:27] <bjsnider> BluesKaj, vlc needs vaapi to do that. i have a ppa that has vlc with vaapi, but without it it will play hd stuff using the cpu to do the decoding, which won't work well
[18:27] <ensignkim> BluesKaj: i cannot log into my laptop at all as gdm login screen is frozen
[18:28] <Dr_Willis> i dont have much issues with VLC doing HD on my rather midrange system. The Netbook - is a little more proplematic
[18:28] <Dr_Willis> and yes. the cpu ussage is proberly a bit higher with vlc then it should be. but thats life
[18:29] <ensignkim> I suppose I will have to make a recovery CD; but strange I cannot access recovery mode from installed OS
[18:30] <bjsnider> Dr_Willis, it depends on the frame size, video bitrate and codec used. x264 at 1080p ~10mbps will not play on any system reliably.
[18:31] <Quartz> I'am afraid there is a bug related to ruby in 10.04. If someone wants to confirm it: install rubyripper 0.5.7 and run it: if it takes a long time to compare 2 tracks, the bug is reproductible
[18:31] <Dr_Willis> not even a cray super computer. :)
[18:31] <Quartz> http://rubyripper.googlecode.com/files/rubyripper-0.5.7.tar.bz2
[18:33] <bjsnider> Quartz, why does it need to be installed that way?
[18:33] <Quartz> Sorry?
[18:33] <bjsnider> from the source tarball you just linked to
[18:33] <Quartz> because there is no package for Ubuntu
[18:34] <Quartz> It's work very good on 9.04, 9.10
[18:34] <bjsnider> !info rubyripper lucid
[18:34] <Quartz> but is extremely slow on 10.04
[18:34] <penguin42> doesn't ruby have their own package system it might be in - gem ?
[18:34] <bjsnider> !info rubyripper karmic
[18:34] <Dr_Willis> posibally a 'ruby' version differance/issue.
[18:35] <ninjai_> so if i encrypted my home folder... and i cant get the xserver working on my install... and i don't ahve the key they clearly mentioned to "write down", and I screwed?
[18:35] <ronnie_vd_c> when i login with my Yubikey, the netwerkmanager asks for my wireless password instead of asking the gnome-keyring password. When i login with my password the wireless connects without asking. What package should i use for the bug report?
[18:35] <Quartz> the result is the same with rubyripper git version (0.6 b)
[18:36]  * Dr_Willis gueses yes.. but is not 100%sure
[18:41] <bjsnider> Quartz, i had no idea it was not in ubuntu. i'll have to ppa it
[18:41] <bjsnider> it's an outrage
[18:43] <Dr_Willis> No idea what rubyripper even does.
[18:43] <ensignkim> ninjai_: can't you log in at console?
[18:43] <ninjai_> any reason why all of a sudden grub2 would take a long-ish time to do anything after my selection is made? (takes like 5 seconds for the screen to go away)
[18:45] <ninjai_> what do i need to erase any configuration related to the x server???
[18:46] <CT1> Hi.  I've installed pulseaudio-equalizer which works great.  One question, when I record for the sake of argument, some tunes in audacity from spotify in wine, is audacity recording the equalized audio?  I'm looking for a guide on how audio works (from an end-user's perspective) what is applied where, what "routes" through what etc.  Any suggestions of a good place to start reading? As I said, I'm an end user, an analogy would be: I want to know
[18:47] <ninjai_> CT1: I'm not sure.  And I think you may want to look up the definition of analogy ;)
[18:48] <guntbert> ronnie_vd_c: if your network manager is gnome-network-manager then use that (for a start at least)
[18:48] <Quartz> bjsnider: are you a developer of ruby?
[18:48] <ronnie_vd_c> ok, thx guntbert
[18:49] <guntbert> ronnie_vd_c: but don't expect too much at this state of the release schedule ;-)
[18:50] <ronnie_vd_c> ok, i fixed it by setting "availible for all users" no i can login with Yubikey and can connect to wireless
[18:50] <Clorox> I have a question, CompizConfig isn't working for me in Lucid Lynx, Does it have something to do with my graphics card?
[18:50] <guntbert> ronnie_vd_c: good to know - thx for reporting back
[18:50] <bjsnider> Quartz, no, just a guy that needs rubyripper
[18:50] <CT1> ninjai_: You're right about the analogy.  Sorry, I was looking for another word that still escapes me.... paradigma? for example? none seem to fit...  My question still stands :p
[18:50] <shizzo> sry... i wanted to go in the german ubuntu+1 IRC channel.... how i can go there?
[18:51] <crdlb> Clorox: can you be more specific?
[18:51] <ronnie_vd_c> always trieing to make ubuntu more user friendly :D
[18:51] <Dr_Willis> Clorox:  so is compiz working? what is your gfx card?
[18:55] <Usagiakumu> I love the new RC and the new boot sound is amazingly beautiful
[18:55] <Usagiakumu> everything about it is amazing
[18:56] <Usagiakumu> but can OOo be removed to save the ISO size I never use the darn thing and always remove it
[18:56]  * Dr_Willis thinks there shouldent really even be a 'boot sound' other then perhaps a very short   tone or 2.
[18:56] <Quiet1> I have a question about the RC
[18:57] <penguin42> Usagiakumu: Many people do use it however
[18:57] <Usagiakumu> well yall remove gimp
[18:57] <Usagiakumu> I use it
[18:57] <penguin42> Dr_Willis: Agreed, it must get embarrasing if you open the laptop in a library
[18:57] <Usagiakumu> moreso than OOo
[18:57] <Usagiakumu> if ur going to remove one you have to remove the other
[18:58] <ninjai_> how can i force ubuntu to use a different video driver?
[18:58] <Usagiakumu> just install the driver for your video card
[18:58] <Clorox> Dr_willis: No its not working at all, and I have a 8800GTS Nvidia card
[18:58] <ninjai_> whats the driver for intel gfx?
[18:59] <penguin42> intel
[18:59] <Usagiakumu> it is a floss driver
[18:59] <Usagiakumu> it is included
[18:59] <coz_> ninjai_,  is it not working?
[19:00] <coz_> ninjai_,  or cant you get compiz working?
[19:01] <Usagiakumu> I gotta say I dont get this excited about a Linux release normally but I gotta say it is about time you all are bringing the love back to linux
[19:01] <Quietstorm> I was wondering if a quad core running a 100% on all cores at idle is considered nomal behavior
[19:01] <Dr_Willis> Clorox:  odd. I got an 8800GTSxxx here - and nvidia drivers are working for me
[19:01] <coz_> Quietstorm,  no that doesn sound right
[19:01] <imanc> Quietstorm only if you are running windows
[19:01] <Usagiakumu> no do you have speed step enabled?
[19:01] <Dr_Willis> VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] (rev a2)
[19:01] <ensignkim> I just booted into recovery mode as root from grub2 - without needing a password? what gives? anyone can access my machine as root without having a password?
[19:02] <Usagiakumu> if so disable it
[19:02] <Usagiakumu> and submit a bug report
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> if someone has physical access to your machine.. then its not 'secure' so  thats normal ensignkim
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> you an password protect grub if you wanted..
[19:02] <Dr_Willis> but then they could use a live cd..
[19:03] <Usagiakumu> the new software center makes me cream in my pants mmmm it is so darn sexy
[19:03] <ninjai_> how can i fix this? (EE) VESA: Kernel modsetting driver in use, refusing to load, (WW) Falling back to old probe method for vesa, (EE) no devices detected
[19:03] <Quietstorm> no windoze, I have 10.04 B3 that is fully updated
[19:03] <Jake2|cfl> Usagiakumu: I reallt disagree...it doesn't show you the actual name of the package unless you drill into each one
[19:03] <Jake2|cfl> click on Installed.
[19:04] <Dr_Willis> I also have some issues with software center..
[19:04] <Usagiakumu> actually I like it it isnt so overwhelming
[19:04] <ensignkim> Dr_Willis: thanks, i will remember to password protect grub - they can't use a livecd as that is disabled from bios (which is passworded)
[19:04] <Clorox> Dr_Willis: Yeah im running the recommended driver, just no animations or anything.
[19:04] <Usagiakumu> hey wine is finally included
[19:04] <Usagiakumu> I dont have to jump through hoops to get it
[19:04] <Dr_Willis> ensignkim:   and you can lock the pc in a 3ft steel vault.....
[19:05] <Dr_Willis> wine has been in the repos for many a year...
[19:05] <Usagiakumu> I mean for more advanced users there is always synaptic
[19:05] <Usagiakumu> but software center is very nice
[19:05] <Dr_Willis> Clorox:  odd.  what does nvidia-settings tool say about the driers?
[19:05] <ensignkim> Dr_Willis: nevertheless, if someone steals my machine, they can access my data (actually, they can't, because it's encrypted - but most ordinary users won't necessarily have encrypted their home directories)
[19:05] <Usagiakumu> I use synaptic regularly and nothing will replace it
[19:06] <Usagiakumu> I am just saying Software Center is beautiful
[19:06]  * Dr_Willis recalls that last years 'beautiful/sexy/hot' themes/apps/gui desicn is now this years garbage....
[19:06] <Jake2|cfl> Usagiakumu: actually, I thought the cENTER was the new version of synaptic
[19:06] <Usagiakumu> Ubuntu 10.04 is bringing sexy back lol
[19:06] <Usagiakumu> lol no it isnt
[19:07] <Usagiakumu> software center is developed by canonical
[19:07] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if software center finally fixed that queing of installs that was sort of a feature.. IF you did it right...
[19:07] <Clorox> Dr_Willis: Nvidia Drivers Version 195.36.15? Im guessing thats what your looking for?
[19:07] <Usagiakumu> yes it has
[19:07] <Usagiakumu> you are able to queue them up now
[19:07] <Dr_Willis> Clorox:  so the  command 'sudo nvidia-settings' lets you change/tweak things eh?
[19:07] <Usagiakumu> and look through software while one or two are installing
[19:08] <Dr_Willis> Usagiakumu:  you were able to befor.. IF you clicked on  the details button. then installed.. but the install button on the 'page' befor the details.. wouldent que.
[19:08] <Usagiakumu> im not one for gimp but they did a lot with gimp
[19:08] <Dr_Willis> it seemed sort of weird it had to be doen that way
[19:08] <Usagiakumu> it does now
[19:08] <Clorox> Dr_Willis: yeah it does.
[19:08] <Dr_Willis> glad to see some bugs got fixed :)
[19:08] <Usagiakumu> I installed Gimp and then went and installed gnome-do and gnome-do waited until gimp was done
[19:09] <Usagiakumu> now all yall gotta do is work on a flicker free boot
[19:09] <Dr_Willis> be nicer if the thing could start downloading all the packages as one is installing..
[19:09] <Usagiakumu> get rid of the flicker
[19:09] <Dr_Willis> after all the fighting/problems with Plymouth.. I dont really care if the boot flickers or not.
[19:09] <Usagiakumu> yeah but progress man
[19:09] <Usagiakumu> synaptec does this
[19:10] <vega> bjsnider: what do you know.. removing the second nvidia card solved my nvidia-proprietary problem (discussed some 4-5 hrs ago)
[19:10] <Usagiakumu> so I still use synaptic
[19:10] <Dr_Willis> Id rather have a machine that works relieably for 40+ days.. then  saves me 4 sec of boot time :)
[19:10] <bjsnider> Clorox, glxinfo |grep renderer
[19:10] <needhelp> Ubuntu thinks my system has a floppy drive which doesn't actually exist. This problem happens whether I use the Lucid kernel or the Karmic kernel.
[19:10] <Usagiakumu> I would rather both
[19:10] <Usagiakumu> oh well 10.04 is beginning to get that whole "apple magic" and I for one am impressed
[19:10] <Quartz> I dislike the icon of rhythmbox which now don't get information on the current track when overflighted
[19:11] <Dr_Willis> Clorox:  Hmm. Not sure what to tell ya to look at next then. Theres been some odd quirks where the nvidia drivers failed.. then next reboot.. or even  just a restart of X. got them working properly
[19:11] <needhelp> Quartz: Yeah, that is annoying.
[19:11] <needhelp> Quartz: Thankfully I now use Docky and it reproduces that feature. :)
[19:11] <Dr_Willis> Quartz:  they removed that from a lot of the icons that way
[19:11] <Usagiakumu> yeah I am about to install the RC on my Ubuntu machine and give it a true run I am running it in virtual box on a Mac at the moment
[19:11] <vega> having 2 nvidia cards in same system and installing nvidia drivers apparently is not very well supported.. machine halts totally on boot
[19:12] <Dr_Willis> Quartz:  from what i 'hear/read' theres going to be a move  away from dozens of little icons/applets to do notifications to a  more organized setup.
[19:12] <Quartz> TY for this info needhelp
[19:12] <Clorox> Dr_Willis: Alrighty Thanks
[19:12] <Dr_Willis> vega:  i got  2 nvidia cards here. :) one is onboard. other is a PCIE.  they both work. but i THINk they would work better if they both used the same nvifdia drivers.
[19:12] <Clorox> bjsnider: It tells me to install mesa-utils
[19:13] <vega> Dr_Willis: exact same situation, i can't boot with both cards in the system with nvidia drivers
[19:13] <Usagiakumu> FACK I went to take a screenshot and hit command shift f8 and it rebooted
[19:13] <Dr_Willis> vega:  i even had 3 monitors workiong.. once.. havent tried it lately
[19:13] <Usagiakumu> thats mad annoying
[19:13] <bjsnider> Clorox, go ahead and do that
[19:14] <Usagiakumu> but yes I am very impressed by the new RC
[19:14] <Quartz> needhelp: how do you use docker?
[19:14] <Clorox> bjsnider: alright done should I re-run the command?
[19:14] <needhelp> Lucid thinks my system has a floppy drive which doesn't actually exist.
[19:14] <Dr_Willis> Just rember 'this years hot girlfriend' is next years 'old ball and chain'
[19:14] <needhelp> Quartz: Docky.
[19:14]  * Dr_Willis clears the screen befor his wife comes in...
[19:15] <Dr_Willis> :)
[19:15] <Quartz> sorry :)
[19:15] <Usagiakumu> burning now
[19:15] <Clorox> haha nice
[19:15] <bjsnider> Clorox, of course
[19:15] <Usagiakumu> ill let you all know how the final tests go
[19:15] <needhelp> Quartz: It has an excellent project wiki.
[19:15] <Usagiakumu> ill put it through its paces
[19:15] <Usagiakumu> run wow and rosetta stone in wine
[19:16] <bjsnider> Quartz, https://launchpad.net/~brandonsnider/+archive/rubyripper
[19:16] <bjsnider> Quartz, binary still being published at the moment
[19:16] <Usagiakumu> ill even try to break it
[19:16] <Usagiakumu> ill install like every application my HDD will handle
[19:16] <Clorox> bjsnider: alright It says OpenGL renderer string: GeForce 8800 GTS 512/PCI/SSE2
[19:17] <bjsnider> Clorox, what happens with glxgears?
[19:18] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/best-ubuntu-docks-vote.html
[19:18] <Quartz> bjsnider: ok, but have tested it?  Is it as fast as on 9.10 or 9.04?
[19:18] <Quartz> you*
[19:18] <Clorox> bjsnider: What do you mean?
[19:18] <needhelp> Dr_Willis: I like Docky and Dockbar
[19:19] <bjsnider> Quartz, i haven't tested it yet.
[19:19] <Quartz> that's the point :(
[19:19] <Dr_Willis> Hmm. I dont even have glxgears installed here
[19:19] <Dr_Willis> !find glxgears
[19:19] <bjsnider> Clorox, run the glxgears command and check the framerate
[19:20] <bjsnider> Dr_Willis, mesa-utils
[19:20] <Dr_Willis> right. but i got my nvidia going without even needing that package..
[19:20] <Clorox> bjsnider: Alright its running at 69706 Frames in 5.0 Secs. looks fine to me.
[19:20] <Dr_Willis> 02:00.0 VGA compatible controller: nVidia Corporation G80 [GeForce 8800 GTS] (rev a2)
[19:20] <bjsnider> Quartz, the pointi s to package it properly for one thing. you test it and i'll test it using your procedure and we'll compare
[19:21] <Clorox> stop
[19:21] <Quartz> ok
[19:21] <Clorox> haha whoops wrong window.
[19:21] <bjsnider> Clorox, then it's not a driver problem
[19:21] <Dr_Willis> 86042 frames in 5.0 seconds
[19:21] <needhelp> Lucid thinks my system has a floppy drive which doesn't actually exist.
[19:22] <ninjai_> i have a quick question.  Can someone tell me what log would have been written to the last time I booted? Xorg.[0-5].log
[19:22] <Dr_Willis> needhelp:  so? clarify how this is a problem?
[19:22] <diwic> Lucid RC Live CD does not boot on old laptop, last thing I see is garbage on screen for a split second (probably when switching out of plymouth) and then a hard freeze
[19:22] <Clorox> bjsnider: am I missing something then like an option?
[19:22] <diwic> needhelp, try disabling it in BIOS - worked for me
[19:22] <needhelp> Dr_Willis: It's annoying because it clutters up my menu and stuff.
[19:22] <Dr_Willis> needhelp:  what menu? and 'stuff' ?
[19:22] <diwic> needhelp, for me, it slowed down my boot.
[19:23] <needhelp> diwic: I might try it and lose a bit of uptime.
[19:23] <bjsnider> Clorox, i don't know about that since i don't use compiz. but if you upgraded from karmic i'd say it could be a local gconf setting that's broken
[19:23] <Dr_Willis> yep. check bios disable foppy controller - for starters like diwic  said.
[19:23] <diwic> ninjai_, are you looking for dmesg?
[19:23] <needhelp> I never had this problem before, though.
[19:23] <LukeL> ninjai_ you can do ls -l /var/log/Xorg* to see the last modified time of files
[19:23] <Dr_Willis> check fstab see if it has a floppy entry. if so - comment it out.
[19:23] <needhelp> Dr_Willis: It's annoying to see a misleading floppy icon every time I look at my screen.
[19:24] <ChrisC_> Hi there.
[19:24] <Vigo> Does the Desktop Voice Control widget use Festival or something else?
[19:24] <Clorox> bjsnider: alright thanks anyway :D
[19:24] <needhelp> Dr_Willis: There's nothing there.
[19:24] <Dr_Willis> try the bios then. I guess needhelp
[19:25] <Dr_Willis> I wonder if theres a floppy 'module' thats loaded.. or thats proberly built into the kernel
[19:25] <ChrisC_> Can I ask a question. How do I reset splash to a low res? When I boot up I get a blank screen. I'm using that odd nomodeset in the grub2 file. As my video card is one of those odd ones.
[19:25] <needhelp> Dr_Willis: The problem occurs when using either the Lucid kernel or the Karmic kernel.
[19:25] <Usagiakumu> Dr_Willis: I dislike docks
[19:25] <Usagiakumu> I rarely use the one in OSX
[19:26] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: They're better than taskbars.
[19:26] <diwic> ChrisC_, yes you can, and perhaps you can switch to using framebuffer device in plymouth
[19:26] <needhelp> I like to use icons to select a window rather than a string of text.
[19:26] <Usagiakumu> I use my dock in OSX like a task bar
[19:26] <Usagiakumu> I like to be able to read
[19:26] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: That's how I use a dock on Ubuntu.
[19:26] <Usagiakumu> im not a complete moron
[19:26] <needhelp> Both Windows and MAC use docks now.
[19:26] <ChrisC_> diwic thanks for the reply. How do you do that please?
[19:26] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: But it's slower to read.
[19:26] <Usagiakumu> windows still uses a taskbar
[19:26] <Usagiakumu> even in 8
[19:27] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: You can recognise an icon in a blink of an eye.
[19:27] <Usagiakumu> the new alpha
[19:27] <diwic> ChrisC_, I remember reading about it but now I can't find it
[19:27] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: The taskbar is more of a dock than a taskbar.
[19:27] <Usagiakumu> yes but if you arent sure what an icon is text is nice
[19:27] <ChrisC_> diwic, thats a  shame, this is really bugging me.
[19:27] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: If you're not sure what an icon is then you're using a shit icon theme.
[19:27] <Usagiakumu> I like dockbar X though
[19:27] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Also, you can hover the mouse over the icon and get the text.
[19:28] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Me too, but it's too buggy to be usable ATM for me. :(
[19:28] <Usagiakumu> Dockbar X looks nice
[19:28] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Some windows don't show up at all. :(
[19:28] <Usagiakumu> ah nvm
[19:28] <diwic> ChrisC_, do this as root: "echo FRAMEBUFFER=y >>/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash"
[19:28] <Usagiakumu> it will get fixed
[19:28] <Usagiakumu> Talika looks nice
[19:28] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: I know, but I'm using Docky in the meantime.
[19:28] <diwic> ChrisC_, and after that "update-initramfs -u"
[19:28] <Usagiakumu> how good is talika
[19:28] <Clorox> Alright trying to run Visual Effects but it just searches for drivers then says Composite extension is not available. Any help?
[19:28] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: No idea.
[19:28] <ChrisC_> diwic, So sudo that in the terminal?
[19:29] <Usagiakumu> it looks like a windows 7 ripoff
[19:29] <diwic> ChrisC_ "sudo su" first or >> will go outside sudo
[19:29] <Usagiakumu> but to vote I am saying docky bc im a mac fanboy lol
[19:29] <Dr_Willis> more proper to do 'sudo -i'   or you can use a 'tee' with the sudo command and >
[19:30] <Usagiakumu> im used to the mac style dock for day to day usage
[19:30] <Dr_Willis> http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2010/04/ubuntu-ditching-notification-area.html
[19:30] <Usagiakumu> I wish Ubuntu would use global menu bar
[19:30] <Usagiakumu> by default rather
[19:31] <ChrisC_> su is not authenticating.
[19:31] <Dr_Willis> that would of been a radical design change Usagiakumu  :) would be very suprising if they do that.
[19:31] <ChrisC_> Just a sec.
[19:31] <Dr_Willis> ChrisC_:  you use 'sudo' normally. not 'su'
[19:31] <Usagiakumu> it is such a waste of screenspace to have the menus in my windows
[19:31] <ChrisC_> Ok.
[19:31] <DanaG1> Argh, I hate VGA16fb... it's quite fugly, and it gets in the way of using other framebuffer drivers (such as uvesafb)!
[19:31] <Usagiakumu> it isnt much of a design change the code exists
[19:31] <guntbert> !ot | Usagiakumu
[19:31] <Usagiakumu> its by google
[19:32] <Dr_Willis> Usagiakumu:  depends on how you work. If you like  the global menubar then install it.
[19:32] <ChrisC_> I'm getting...
[19:32] <ChrisC_> chrispche@chrispche-laptop:~$ sudo echo FRAMEBUFFER=y >>/etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash
[19:32] <ChrisC_> bash: /etc/initramfs-tools/conf.d/splash: Permission denied
[19:32] <Usagiakumu> gnubert I am discussing development
[19:32] <Usagiakumu> back off
[19:32] <Dr_Willis> Theres some serious issues with it and some apps. from what i hear Usagiakumu . ive not tried. it.
[19:32] <Usagiakumu> yeah I suppose it is just an extra step for me
[19:32] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Yeah, that global menu is pretty sweet; it makes my windows more attractive and take up less room on my desktop.
[19:32] <Dr_Willis> ChrisC_:  do a 'sudo -s' then the echo ..... command. is one way
[19:33] <ChrisC_> Ok thanks.
[19:33] <needhelp> needhelp: And Fitt's Law means it's more productive to use globalmenu.
[19:33] <Usagiakumu> people say there is issues with firefox but if you remove Ubuntu Firefox Extras it works fine
[19:33] <DanaG1> Ugh, that blog / news post's comments are glitchy.
[19:33] <DanaG1> They change size a bit as you mouse over them... it's like it's twitching or convulsing.
[19:33] <Usagiakumu> ive not ran into many issues so long as I stay with GTK apps
[19:33] <Guest20780> hail lcuid!
[19:33] <Usagiakumu> QT apps dont like it
[19:33] <ChrisC_> nah still permission denied.
[19:34] <Guest20780> will lucid support touch interface? i plan to run ubuntu on a touch laptop
[19:34] <needhelp> DanaG1: The website design was recently changed.
[19:34] <Usagiakumu> but if Ubuntu uses docky I would cream in my pants lol
[19:34] <Dr_Willis> ChrisC_:  then you are doing sdomthign wrong  - you did 'sudo -s' (or sudo -i) and got to a root shell right?
[19:34] <Usagiakumu> for 10.10
[19:34] <diwic> ChrisC_: Try the three rows here: http://www.mail-archive.com/ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com/msg2157775.html
[19:34] <Dr_Willis> by the time 10.10 gets out.. gnome3 may be in a useable state with the gnome-shell ..
[19:34] <ChrisC_> Ok.
[19:34] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: It won't, because Canonical wants Ubuntu to keep its originality and stay different from MACOS and Windows.
[19:35] <Usagiakumu> I am so glad they are finally ditching brown
[19:35] <Guest20780> any touch notebooks out there on which I can run lucid?
[19:35] <Usagiakumu> needhelp: then why did it move the icons to the left like OSX
[19:35] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: OMG just because the icons are on the left they're imitating OSX?!?!?!?
[19:35] <Dr_Willis> dont forget this nifty little tweaks to nautilus also - perhaps in 10.10 -->  http://www.webupd8.org/2010/04/install-nautilus-elementary-230-via-ppa.html
[19:35] <Usagiakumu> yeah thats what I though
[19:35] <Ken8521> needhelp, i tend to agree, ubuntu has a bit of mac envy
[19:35] <Usagiakumu> have you used OSX
[19:35] <ChrisC_> Thank you diwic that's done it.
[19:35] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: By your logic, they have been imitating Windows for years with their evil right aligned buttons.
[19:36] <Usagiakumu> Ubuntu feels so much like OSX its crazy
[19:36] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Well they are both unix based.
[19:36] <Guest20780> Osx is also based on linux kernel
[19:36] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: PCBSD feels like Ubuntu too.
[19:36] <Dr_Willis> needhelp:  if you use the new netbook edition. the close button for progrms is right in the middle of the panel. :) to the left of the title..
[19:36] <ChrisC_> Bye.
[19:36] <Usagiakumu> no I mean the way it impliments gnome it feels like OSX
[19:36] <arand> Guest20780: Not
[19:36] <Dr_Willis> Guest20780:  err.. no its not.
[19:36] <Pici> Guest20780: no, its based on the BSD kernel
[19:37] <Usagiakumu> I use a Mac for everything I do and when I use Ubuntu I feel comfy using it enough to use it
[19:37] <Dr_Willis> My wife actually likes the Netbook interface/launcher on her desktop machine.  Keeps her from getting so lost
[19:37] <needhelp> All OSes have similarities.
[19:37] <Guest20780> HP TouchSmart tm2 - anychance that touch feature work with lucid?
[19:37] <Ken8521> has anyone figured out how to change the gnome menu icon?.. you used to be able to modify distrubtion-logo or something like that, but i can't find one that matches what i have
[19:37] <Usagiakumu> I will even confuse the two at times and have to remind myself I am using Ubuntu not OSX
[19:37] <Dr_Willis> Guest20780:  try a live cd and see. thats the ultimate test
[19:37] <crimsun> I've become somewhat fond of the netbook launcher
[19:38] <Usagiakumu> the buttons on the left is just one more step
[19:38] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Have you seen how similar Ubuntu looks to W7 after running the W7 transformation pack?
[19:38] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: I can't tell the difference.
[19:38] <bjsnider> the what transformation pack?
[19:38] <Guest20780> But I havent bought one yet, i want to buy a notebook supporting touch for ubuntu - if there exist
[19:38] <Usagiakumu> nice but I am talking about a default install
[19:38] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  ive altered the top left menu ubuntu icon  in the past with the 'ubuntu-tweak' tool. HOWEVER.. the change only worked with some themes.. it seems some icon themes some how overlook/overrode the changed icons.
[19:38] <DanaG1> I still like the Human theme/
[19:38] <DanaG1> .
[19:38] <Usagiakumu> a default desktop feels so much like OSX it is crazy
[19:38] <DanaG1> I find the buttons on the new themes quite ugly... they're like "a crow among doves".
[19:39] <sobersabre> hi. I have a samsung phone, and it can act either as MTP or as mass storage device, when connected via USB.
[19:39] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, yeah, i've did it lots of times w/o tweak, for some reason though, not having luck this time
[19:39] <Usagiakumu> why not make it convenient and take a few extra steps like installing docky
[19:39] <Dr_Willis> DanaG1:  i just go back to 'bluecurve' :)
[19:39] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: I went round my mate's house, used his OSX PC, and didn't feel at home at all.
[19:39] <DanaG1> I think it'd look nicer if the background color of the buttons was the same as the background color of the windows themselves.
[19:39] <Usagiakumu> then he probably used some hacks to the interface
[19:39] <sobersabre> if I'm connecting the phone as mass storage, it works (strangely, though),
[19:39] <daedeloth> Greetings. I'm having some very weird xserver/xinerama issues. I have a 3-display setup, my main screen (screen 0) has always been the middle one. Now, when I move my mouse pointer to the left of my main screen, my mouse starts jumping around uncontrolable
[19:39] <sobersabre> and when using MTP, it simply doesn't.
[19:39] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  we were testing that out in here a few weeks back. and found that the 'changes' worked with some themes and not others..  due to somthing the themes are doing different. and thats about where we stopped dissecting it. :) i forget who else was playing with it that day.
[19:39] <sobersabre> it writes into the logs things like:
[19:40] <daedeloth> I've tested a lot of things, seems like it works as long as my left screen is my main screen.
[19:40] <sobersabre> usbfs: USBDEVFS_CONTROL failed cmd gvfs-gphoto2-vo rqt 128 rq 6 len 1000 ret -110
[19:40] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Moving the mouse around popped up random windows such as calculators and things. And I made a window disappear somehow.
[19:40] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, i actually got it to change just now, by doing exactly what you said...
[19:40] <Usagiakumu> does the w7 transformation pack work on the new Ubuntu?
[19:40] <sobersabre> or like this:
[19:40] <Ken8521> trying other themes, etc... i'll work it out, thanks
[19:40] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: No idea.
[19:40] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  changed icon themes. :) heh - see.. :) and ive NO idea why it does it.
[19:40] <Usagiakumu> yeah he hacked OSX to do what he wanted
[19:40] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Probably.
[19:40] <Guest20780> any lucid developers know if it has native support for touch features for  a netbook?
[19:40] <Usagiakumu> a default OSX wont do that
[19:40] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, seems silly, go figure
[19:40] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, i say we blame plymouth
[19:40] <sobersabre> usb 2-2: reset high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 10
[19:40] <Dr_Willis> Usagiakumu:  i saw it at some blog site.. but havent tried it.. cant see the need for it.
[19:41] <Usagiakumu> if you used my OSX you would get it confused too
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  or Upstart!
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> :)
[19:41] <Ken8521> lol
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  except it was also a similer proglem in the last 2 relkeases also  i think
[19:41] <DanaG1> http://ploum.frimouvy.org/?201-the-aristocratic-desktop-part-2-home-is-desktop
[19:41] <Usagiakumu> I have some hacks to my OSX that make it act really wierd for some people and someone borrowed my macbook and couldnt use it at all
[19:41] <DanaG1> I like desktop_as_home_dir.
[19:41] <Usagiakumu> it annoyed them
[19:41] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  so it could be that some themes included a ubuntu icon..  that overtriding your custome one
[19:42] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, i had no probs changing it in 9.10.. but maybe thats because i used a prtty common theme(humanity)
[19:42] <Usagiakumu> but if I wanted windows 7 I would simply buy it lol
[19:42] <DanaG1> I find I absolutely hate the OS X desktop enviromnment...
[19:42] <Dr_Willis> Ken8521:  yep. I got like 30+ icon themes.. and it worked properly for like 1/2 of them
[19:42] <DanaG1> I mean, you can only resize from the lower-right?  That's just plain stupid.
[19:42] <Ken8521> Dr_Willis, yeah.. thats been almost exactly my experience
[19:42] <Dr_Willis> DanaG1:  cant confuse users now! :0
[19:42] <DanaG1> And the mouse acceleration is like a 90% angle.
[19:42] <xiambax> Harro
[19:42] <DanaG1> Like this: _/
[19:42] <xiambax> E: /var/cache/apt/archives/fglrx_2%3a8.723.1-0ubuntu3_amd64.deb: subprocess new pre-installation script returned error exit status 1
[19:43] <daedeloth>  Is there a different way to set the "main screen" in xorg.conf?
[19:43] <Usagiakumu> ok I want the MS Office ribbon for open office that is really sexy awesome
[19:43] <xiambax> I get this error why i try to upgrade fglrx
[19:43] <xiambax> s/when
[19:43] <DanaG1> Move slowly to medium speed... it's like it's on molasses.  Move just a bit faster, and your mouse flies across the screen out of control.
[19:43] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: Fuck that shit.
[19:43] <Ken8521> daedeloth, are you using nvidia?
[19:43] <Dr_Willis> daedeloth:  i set it with the nvidia-settings tool  for my nvidia cards. :) not sure about other cards/drvices
[19:43] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: You suck.
[19:43] <Usagiakumu> no I actually like that
[19:43] <IdleOne> needhelp: watch the language
[19:43] <Usagiakumu> thats mad cool
[19:43] <needhelp> Usagiakumu: You suck Steve Job's and Bill Gate's joysticks.
[19:43] <Usagiakumu> I am going to hack it up a bit and re-release openoffice with a ribbon interface
[19:43] <IdleOne> !ops | needhelp
[19:43] <daedeloth> Ken8521, yes, using nvidia
[19:44] <Dr_Willis> Night all...
[19:44] <Ken8521> daedeloth, well do you have the restricted driver installed?
[19:44] <daedeloth> Dr_Willis, yea, I've used that as well, but I've been playing around manually for a while :)
[19:44] <Dr_Willis> daedeloth:  good luck. bed time for the Dr.
[19:44] <xiambax> OWNAGE!
[19:44] <Usagiakumu> anyhoosle
[19:44] <daedeloth> Ken8521, yea. It worked before without any problem and as long as my main screen is the left screen, everything works fine
[19:44] <Usagiakumu> yeah I can so do that I mean I am going to change it so it isnt violating copyright
[19:44] <xiambax> So can anyone help me with that lil ole driver issue im having
[19:45] <Ken8521> daedeloth, hmm... not had any problem w/ it myself... i also have two dual screens.. you double check the driver is enabled?
[19:45] <daedeloth> yea, driver is enabled
[19:45] <daedeloth> but I have tripple screen, not sure if that matters :)
[19:45] <Ken8521> daedeloth, so what happens when you try to set your default display?
[19:46] <diwic> xiambax, report a bug in launchpad, that will add some important information for that error
[19:46] <Usagiakumu> cool thanks to whoever told me about the w7 transformation pack for the idea
[19:46] <daedeloth> I can't set my default display, I can only choose which one is number 0
[19:46] <daedeloth> when I set it to the most left screen, everything works fine
[19:46] <Usagiakumu> I dislike the OOo interface
[19:46] <daedeloth> no trouble at all
[19:46] <xiambax> diwic, link?
[19:46] <Ken8521> hmm
[19:46] <Usagiakumu> so I am going to change it lol
[19:46] <DanaG1> Now, is there some KDE or Gnome task-switcher thingy that acts like the win7 taskbar?
[19:46] <DanaG1> That is, you can pin stuff to it.
[19:46] <DanaG1> The "smooth-tasks" thing in KDE is very close.... just misses the ability to pin things.
[19:46] <Usagiakumu> I actually dont care for win7
[19:47] <IdleOne> DanaG1: Talika I think is what you mean
[19:47] <diwic> "ubuntu-bug fglrx" unless there is something automatically showing up when the upgrade fails
[19:47] <Usagiakumu> and I think Ubuntu would do well to keep the window borders gone from the desktop the new theme is beautiful
[19:47] <DanaG1> What's nice is if you set win7 to "small icons" and "group only when full": you get non-running things as icons, and running things as text.
[19:47] <DanaG1> er, as text+icons.
[19:48] <Vigo> DanaG1: Like a dock-bar?
[19:49] <DanaG1> http://www.brucebnews.com/2009/12/customize-windows-7-taskbar-expand-buttons/
[19:49] <DanaG1> Like the second pic here.... but with small icons instead.
[19:49] <DanaG1> Notice how Firefox is pinned, but not running.
[19:50] <Vigo> DanaG1: In Gnome?
[19:51] <DanaG1> I want that either for Gnome OR for KDE.
[19:51] <DanaG1> though, Gnome is preferred, for now.
[19:51] <Vigo> Ever looked at Desklets?
[19:51] <DanaG1> That looked mostly like widgets... not nearly the same.
[19:51] <DanaG1> And another thing that's nice in the win7 taskbar: the hover color is actually an AVERAGE of all the colors used in the icon!
[19:52] <Urda> Hellow! I need some support with installing Flash Player in 10.04 x64
[19:52] <Vigo> DanaG1: srry, gDesklets, >http://www.gdesklets.de/
[19:53] <Vigo> DanaG1: They are also in the Repositories.
[19:53] <DanaG1> http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/6832/windows7t.jpg
[19:53] <DanaG1> That's a better example.
[19:54] <Vigo> DanaG1: You could try Screenlets or gDesklets, there are many more also.
[19:54] <Urda> Argh wrong butotn! Anyway I need some help installing Flash for Firefox in Ubuntu 10.04
[19:54] <DanaG1> About the closest thing I've seen is this: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Smooth+Tasks?content=101586
[19:55] <coz_> I have a command to find only video ram size for nvidia cards...anyone know a command for intel  and also ati?
[19:56] <penguin42> coz_: I'd have a grub around /var/log/Xorg.0.log - I'm not sure exactly what I'd look for on each type
[19:56] <coz_> penguin42,  yeah I am looking for some command to print out ONLy the vram  like the one I have for nvidia
[19:58] <IdleOne> DanaG1: gnome-look has Talika which does that. I tried it yesterday for a bit
[19:58] <penguin42> coz_: Well on my machine with i945GM there's a line in the xorg.0.log that says (==) intel(0): VideoRam: 262144 KB  so grepping like that might be a good answer
[19:58] <IdleOne> they have a deb
[19:59] <DanaG1> Hmm, that doesn't have an option to "expand" running stuff.
[20:00] <IdleOne> DanaG1: I didn't try it for long. was just to help a user and then I removed
[20:00] <DanaG1> Looks good for my netbook, though.
[20:02] <DanaG1> heh, my wallpaper is a joke pic of "pedobear" (a 4chan meme) breaking through a thick glass "window" with the OS X wallpaper.
[20:02] <coz_> penguin42,  right ok   for me with nvidia  << presupposing nvclock is installed  the command that prints out only vram size is       nvclock -i | grep 'Amount:' | sed -e 's/.*: //'
[20:02] <DanaG1> Works surpisingly well with the Ubuntu orange icons.
[20:03] <taomaster>  anyone having an issue with the new iso image 10.4-rc not booting correctly
[20:03] <coz_> penguin42,  i was hoping for something similar for intel and  ati
[20:03] <Adnan_89> hii
[20:04] <penguin42> coz_: on Radeon it seems to be a bit confusing; on my Radeon machine it has 512M RAM, but only 256M is exposed on the PCI bar (due to a PCI restriction I heard?) - so in my dmesg are two conflicting messages: drm] radeon: 256M of VRAM memory ready    and     drm] radeon: 512M of GTT memory ready.     I don't actually know what GTT is
[20:05] <coz_> penguin42,    256mb is max 'prefetchable', which is not total vram, it is a function of the bios framebuffer
[20:06] <thieusoai> I compile my own kernel following the Ubuntu Kernel Compile document  (https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Kernel/Compile)  ... the cmd is something like
[20:06] <thieusoai> fakeroot make-kpkg --initrd --append-to-version=-some-string-here kernel-image kernel-headers
[20:06] <thieusoai> this creates 2 deb files   (image & header)  ,    problem is that it doesn't seem to create any initrd file
[20:06] <penguin42> coz_: Well not just prefetchable, mapped throguh to the host at all
[20:07] <thieusoai> is there something I did wrong ?
[20:07] <Adnan_89> can ancan any1 tell me how to rllback to ubuntu 9.1 after upggradation?
[20:08] <Adnan_89> can any1 tell me how to rllback to ubuntu 9.1 after upggradation?
[20:08] <coz_> penguin42,  understood... I was going by   lspci | grep -vga  and then  using that reference number example;  lspci -v -s 01:00.0   what spits out is only prefectable
[20:08] <ripps> Adnan_89: you can't downgrade. You would have to reinstall all of ubuntu.
[20:09] <ripps> !downgrade
[20:09] <Adnan_89> ok
[20:09] <Adnan_89> and why at the startup of system it gives blurred screen initially?/
[20:11] <Adnan_89> and why at the startup of system it gives blurred screen initially?
[20:13] <Adnan_89> #ubuntu+1
[20:13] <Adnan_89> and why at the startup of system it gives blurred screen initially?/
[20:13] <Adnan_89> hello
[20:13] <Adnan_89> anybody listening?
[20:14] <vish> !patience | Adnan_89
[20:14] <Adnan_89> ubottu
[20:14] <Adnan_89> ubottu : ?
[20:15] <Adnan_89> and why at the startup of system it gives blurred screen initially?/
[20:15] <vish> Adnan_89: pls stop doing that..
[20:15] <Sarvatt> thieusoai: it's a kernel-package 12.x change, man make-kpkg explains it but you need to set up the initrd hooks manually
[20:15] <Adnan_89> vish : what i did?
[20:15] <duffydack> Adnan_89, compiz?
[20:16] <Adnan_89> duffydack : why at the startup of system it gives blurred screen initially?
[20:16] <vish> Adnan_89: there is no need to keep repeating the question so frequently.. if no one knows on one will answer
[20:16] <thieusoai> Sarvatt, ic -- thanks  -- I didn't realize this
[20:17] <Adnan_89> duffydack : compiz?
[20:17] <duffydack> Adnan_89, is it enabled
[20:17] <Adnan_89> no
[20:17] <Adnan_89> duffydack : it didnt enabled 3d effects
[20:18] <yofel> Adnan_89: what do you mean with startup, before or after login?
[20:18] <Adnan_89> before
[20:18] <duffydack> Adnan_89, if its only for a second or 2 and ok now, dont worry about it.
[20:18] <Adnan_89> yofel : before
[20:18] <yofel> Adnan_89: what graphics driver are you using?
[20:19] <Adnan_89> duffydack : come again i dont get u
[20:19] <Adnan_89> yofel : S
[20:19] <Adnan_89> iS
[20:19] <Adnan_89> SIS
[20:20] <Adnan_89> yofel : sis
[20:20] <yofel> Adnan_89: and with blurred you mean that the splash screen is in 640x480 resolution?
[20:20] <yofel> Adnan_89: I heard you, I just can't write that fast, be patient
[20:20] <yofel> please
[20:21] <Adnan_89> no before login some blank screen type with lines moving fastly
[20:21] <Adnan_89> yofel : ok im sorry
[20:21] <yofel> ok, and what screen is blurred then?
[20:22] <Adnan_89> duffydack : what u wrote please explain
[20:22] <yofel> blurred ubuntu logo, blurred text that is shown, blurred login screen?
[20:23] <duffydack> Adnan_89, if your screen is only initially blurred, and is ok from then on, then dont worry about it..
[20:23] <duffydack> Adnan_89, its not something thats affecting you using your pc is it
[20:23] <Adnan_89> yofel : not actually blurred but something else
[20:24] <Adnan_89> yeah ok i also think that will not do harm
[20:24] <Adnan_89> can you help me in enabling extra effects(3d) in apperance tab?
[20:26] <Adnan_89> (12:54:51 AM) Adnan : can you help me in enabling extra effects(3d) in apperance tab?
[20:27] <Adnan_89> anybody?
[20:28] <duffydack> !compiz
[20:28] <TuxTaming> notification system broken in beta?
[20:29] <duffydack> Adnan_89, System, preferences, appearance, visual effects tab
[20:29] <Adnan_89> duffydack : yeah but when i click there it says desktop effect cant be enabled
[20:31] <Adnan_89> duffydack : yeah but when i click there it says desktop effect cant be enabled
[20:31] <duffydack> Adnan_89, need to enable the driver if there is one, in Hardware Drivers, in system, administration
[20:32] <Adnan_89> no one there
[20:32] <Adnan_89> duffydack : no one there
[20:32] <Adnan_89> only modem driver there
[20:33] <ratcheer> Adnan_89: I saw a thread about the same thing on ubuntuforums, this morning. I'll try to find it and post a link.
[20:34] <Adnan_89> ratcheer : thanks
[20:37] <ratcheer> Adnan_89: http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1460951 but I don't see a final resolution.
[20:43] <mdlueck> In the Lucid partitioner, what does "Error! Unable to satisfy all constraints on the partition." mean?
[20:44] <mdlueck> I am trying to add Lucid to the free space at the end of a WinXP installation.
[20:44] <maco> possibly you tried to make the partition bigger than possible or to keep the data while changing the format?
[20:44] <penguin42> mdlueck: I don't know for sure, but my guess is that you've got a bunch of minimum sizes on partiions that add up to too big
[20:44] <real_ate> hi guys... is there anything i can do to figure out what went wrong with my lucid upgrade if i don't even get as far as a command prompt
[20:44] <real_ate> even in recovery mode
[20:44] <maco> also possible: you have too many primary partitions already?
[20:44] <mdlueck> 27926 free space, I was trying to make a 200M /boot partition
[20:45] <mdlueck> sda1 and sda5 are used, so that would be one pri and one logical
[20:45] <mdlueck> C: and D: for WinXP
[20:46] <bp0> why nvidia (current) now instead of actual version number
[20:46] <mdlueck> Further it says "can't have overlapping partitions"
[20:46] <ratcheer> mdlueck: It means the current partition boundaries do not meet the requirements for a Lucid partition.
[20:47] <ratcheer> mdlueck: I had the same problem trying to add a Lucid partition into Karmic free space.
[20:47] <mdlueck> Smells like a newly created bug to me! I have been (attempting) dual boot configs right along during Lucid testing
[20:48] <mdlueck> Grub2 has been the winer, never the partitioner
[20:48] <ratcheer> mdlueck No, it was a planned change. I don't understand why they did it either, but I guess they have their reasons.
[20:49] <mdlueck> ratcheer: What exactly are you referring to, please?
[20:50] <real_ate> i guess there is nothing I can do then ?
[20:50] <ratcheer> mdlueck It is hard to find. I found out about it in a response to a question on Launchpad.
[20:51] <mdlueck> ratcheer: Oh, I guess I could look there... any idea what keyword(s) turned it up for you?
[20:51] <MrKeuner> is evince better in lucid?
[20:52] <MrKeuner> I sent a pdf document to printer spool 5 minutes ago, still waiting... (karmic though)
[20:53] <ratcheer> mdlueck: "Windows (Vista/Win7) changed to an incompatible partitioning scheme.
[20:53] <ratcheer> Even WinXp isn't compatible any more. For compatibility reason lucid
[20:53] <ratcheer> will change to 1MiB alignment also."
[20:54] <mdlueck> So how is it possible to do a dual-boot?
[20:54]  * real_ate is not feeling helped :(
[20:56] <mdlueck> Shall I try the automatic "put Lucid behind Windows" option on the previous screen?
[20:56] <Quartz> bjsnider: I have copied the directory of rubyripper 0.5.7 compiled on 9.04 on my 10.04 machine and the behaviour is the same, it takes a very very long time to analyse the 2 extracts of a track :(
[20:57] <ratcheer> mdlueck: I had to create the partition with a Karmic CD, which worked fine with the old boundaries. Then, I was able to install Lucid to the new partition.
[20:57] <areichman> hello everybody. I just installed Lucid and am having some trouble getting audio working over hdmi. I've unmuted everything I can find and audio works from other sources but I'm not sure where to go from here
[20:58] <mdlueck> Oh puke!!! (head shaking)
[20:58] <ratcheer> mdlueck: I don't know the answer to your last question. I run Windows and Ubuntu on separate host machines.
[20:58] <mdlueck> I use Linux to image / deploy Windows...
[20:58] <mdlueck> HAFFA Dual-boot! It is my "maintenance partition" for Windows
[20:59] <sebsebseb> ok hi racecar56
[20:59] <racecar56> sebsebseb: hi
[20:59] <bjsnider> Quartz, ok, why don't you pm me your procedures and i'll do them here
[20:59] <sebsebseb> what they say is upgrade from  beta to final, and you get all the updates
[20:59] <sebsebseb> !upgrade
[20:59] <sebsebseb> uh wrong factoid
[20:59] <sebsebseb> anyway
[20:59] <racecar56> k
[21:00] <sebsebseb> right sure you get the updates, but
[21:00] <mdlueck> Once the image is created, then I use Linux to lay out the partitions... but getting there involves hand installs and official MS CD's.
[21:00] <real_ate> anyone know of a way to debug a kernal that doesn't get to a command prompt? i'm kinda stuck here and don't know what to do
[21:00] <sebsebseb> they might not have installed properly
[21:00] <racecar56> so just wait until 10.04 fine n' stable and it'd be better?
[21:00] <sebsebseb> so you don't get what your mean to have
[21:00] <racecar56> k
[21:00] <sebsebseb> from expereince of doing development versions  and upgrading them
[21:00] <racecar56> i'll wait for stable then
[21:01] <sebsebseb> I know that  installing the updates, won't  nessariely give the features your meant to have
[21:01] <sebsebseb> you said beta 2 to rc in in #ubuntu
[21:01] <sebsebseb> and something about that not working?
[21:01] <ratcheer> real_ate: Does it take you to a rescue prompt, or what?
[21:01] <racecar56> sebsebseb: like i use update-manager -d and it doesn't offer me anything
[21:01] <sebsebseb> racecar56: if someone has a clean install of the rc and then upgrade  it  to the final, I expect that will go rather well indeed,  since the rc and final will be rather similar
[21:02] <racecar56> sebsebseb: i guess it's for stable only
[21:02] <mdlueck> Yes, even that previous screen "Use the largest continuous free space" has the same error. I will open a bug in that case.
[21:02] <racecar56> sebsebseb: the update manager method
[21:02] <racecar56> sebsebseb: and -d is for stable to development
[21:02] <sebsebseb> racecar56: I think you got to change a setting maybe, so it will show Lucid
[21:02] <real_ate> ratcheer: nope... the only thing i can get it to do is ctl-alt-del to reboot ( didn't know that worked till now )
[21:02] <sebsebseb> racecar56: wait no
[21:02] <sebsebseb> racecar56: your running  beta 2 yes?
[21:02] <racecar56> sebsebseb: yea
[21:02] <pibarnas> hi folks, Ive just installed newer kubuntu iso (lucid) and got an authentication failed of main account in first boot... any ideas?
[21:03] <sebsebseb> racecar56: then just install the updates normalley
[21:03] <sebsebseb> and it should upgrade you to the RC
[21:03] <real_ate> ratcheer: and by rescue prompt i guess you mean recovery mode? selecting that on grub
[21:03] <racecar56> sebsebseb: k
[21:03] <sebsebseb> you know like you do for security updates in the stable distro
[21:03] <racecar56> sebsebseb: i do have some updates pending
[21:03] <sebsebseb> racecar56: just  those updates might not install properly for whatever reason/s since still development.  so a feature might   be lacking,  but probably not if you do it.
[21:04] <sebsebseb> even beta 2 is quite similar to the rc really
[21:04] <racecar56> k
[21:04] <ratcheer> real_ate: No, rescue prompt is for more serious problems than recovery mode. It basically means it can't find a valid bootable partition. But, you're not even getting that!
[21:05] <racecar56> it's because i noticed transmission saying that the download wasn't authorized and i knew what that meant due to one of my other comps doing that when the ubuntu 10.04 beta got thrown into the void and beta2 coming out
[21:05] <racecar56> that's how i noticed
[21:05] <sebsebseb> ratcheer:  uhmm it seems that Ubuntu doesn't have recovery mode anymore starting with 10.04?
[21:05] <racecar56> sebsebseb: really? i have it...
[21:05] <sebsebseb> racecar56: oh ok
[21:05] <racecar56> sebsebseb: and it's a fresh install too
[21:06] <sebsebseb> I thought I read before that it woudn't be there for whatever reason/s
[21:06] <real_ate> ratcheer: the debug output for when i select recovery mode shows that i am booting fine(ish)
[21:06] <sebsebseb> and Grub doesn't show or doesn't show for long in my vm's, well I could change, but can't be bothered to
[21:06] <ratcheer> sebsebseb: No, Lucid definitely has recovery mode. I have used it many times.
[21:06] <real_ate> i can see "running /script/local-premount"
[21:06] <sebsebseb> racecar56: anyway great if 10.04  has recovery mode
[21:06] <hudnix> Does anyone know why, after updating, my window decorations have been reset to some basic setting and ignore any changes I make in sysem settings?
[21:06] <real_ate> "running /scripts/init-bottom ..."
[21:06] <sebsebseb> hudnix: upgrading  from 9.10?
[21:06] <racecar56> sebsebseb: i've been using it often due to updating grub, installing grub, etc due to me setting up quad-boot (yes, quad-boot)
[21:07] <BUGabundo> even|ng
[21:07] <BUGabundo> how are my babies doing ?
[21:07] <real_ate> ratcheer: it stops after mounting all my filesystems
[21:07] <racecar56> sebsebseb: Windows isn't in there though ;)
[21:07] <hudnix> sebsebseb:  actually I had already upgraded to the RC, this is after just doing updates this morning.
[21:07] <duffydack> I thought empathy would use the avatar pic Ive set in the MeMenu
[21:07] <hudnix> I'm in KDE, btw.
[21:07] <duffydack> meh
[21:08] <sebsebseb> hudnix: sometimes development version upgrades, will change  things that the user has changed
[21:08] <sebsebseb> hudnix: I mean when it comes to looks,  customization of Gnome that kind of thing
[21:08] <racecar56> i burned ubuntu 10.04 beta 2 to a DVD because i didn't have a 700MB CD-RW handy :P
[21:08] <sebsebseb> hudnix: oh KDE
[21:08] <hudnix> sebsebseb: actually, this is in KDE. And I don't mind it changing, but nothing I do will change it back.
[21:08] <sebsebseb> not sure, but I guess KDE 4.4. got a bit updated, and something was installed that changed whatever you set up
[21:09] <ratcheer> real_ate: Sounds like the stuff where everyone is complaining about plymouth. Personally, I would try a reinstall. But that's up to you.
[21:09] <sebsebseb> hudnix: anyway  you haven't been 100% clear what problem you have,  plus  I probably can't really help you anyway since...
[21:09] <sebsebseb> hudnix: someone else may be able to in a bit though
[21:10] <hudnix> sebsebseb: according to the system settings dialog, they haven't changed at all! but ok, I'll ask again later.
[21:10] <sebsebseb> hudnix: right well, I was only guessing what your problem  might be
[21:11] <vish> !test
[21:12] <racecar56> all of a sudden i remembered why ubuntu+1 exists :p
[21:12] <real_ate> ratcheer: plymouth?
[21:12] <visor> hi everybody
[21:12] <racecar56> hi
[21:12] <visor> gwibber doesnt show any tweets even when properly configured on Lucid beta 2 though I just updated all packages yesterday so I guess I have RC already installed, anybody has had the same problem?
[21:13] <visor> I don't really want to install any AIR app so I'd rather make gwibber work
[21:13] <ratcheer> real_ate: Yes, a new required program that runs mountall and gives the Lucid purple splash screen. A lot of people hate it, but it works fine, for me.
[21:13] <real_ate> ratcheer: is there anything i can try... i'm on a notebook and don't have a cd drive :(
[21:14] <racecar56> real_ate: unetbootin and a USB flash drive?
[21:14] <ratcheer> real_ate: Can you make a bootable USB flash drive?
[21:14] <racecar56> real_ate: ...and some patience downloading ubuntu -__-
[21:14] <racecar56> !enter > racecar56
[21:14] <Ken8521> lol
[21:15] <racecar56> i fussed at myself for using enter too much
[21:15] <real_ate> ratcheer: don't think I have a big enough usb :(
[21:15] <racecar56> real_ate: only needs to be 700+ MB, if that
[21:15] <racecar56> real_ate: you sure?
[21:15] <real_ate> 65MB :P
[21:16] <Ken8521> ?? how old is that thing, 20yrs?
[21:16] <racecar56> real_ate: :p
[21:16] <racecar56> Ken8521: probably about 6 years
[21:16] <real_ate> lol
[21:16] <Ken8521> geez, i've not saw 64mb thumb drives in a while.
[21:16] <Ken8521> heck, even 512mb are uncommon nowdays
[21:17] <racecar56> yea
[21:17] <real_ate> well its one of those promotional ones
[21:17] <racecar56> i have a 512 and 64 mb flash drive, the 64mb one's USB plug broke off though :(
[21:18] <real_ate> from someone's publicity department that must have just moved up from giving out rotten tomatoes
[21:18] <real_ate> and haven't learned their lesson ;)
[21:18] <Quietstorm> hello everybody
[21:18] <Ken8521> i bought 4 2gigs for $20 on sale at best buy a few years ago.
[21:18] <Ken8521> they work fine.
[21:19] <real_ate> anyways... thanks everyone... chat to you later... got to go
[21:19] <Ken8521> greetings Quietstorm
[21:21] <Quietstorm> so how are you ken?
[21:22] <racecar56> Ken8521: one of my 4 GB ones died :|
[21:22] <Ken8521> :(
[21:23] <yofel> my 1GB is useless for ubuntu for some reason, I can't find data corruption when I use it, but I get crap when I try to boot from it
[21:24] <Quietstorm> I've pretty good luck with my lexar usb but wish I would've got the 8gb instead of the 4gb
[21:24] <racecar56> yofel: source ISO is bad?
[21:24] <switchgirl> Bug #569543  is very annoying
[21:24] <ensignkim> how can you tell which version of ubuntu you're running, e.g. beta-1, beta-2, RC etc. - this doesn't show up with lsb_release?
[21:25] <yofel> racecar56: no, I tried many different ones, boot sector to often written to I guess
[21:25] <yofel> *too often
[21:25] <Alfihar> hi everyone, I'm trying to install 10.04 RC and I need to set grub to be installed into a partition rather than the mbr, however it doesn't seem to list the partition for Ubuntu, well there is a /dev/sda-1 entry which causes the OK button to be greyed out, along with /dev/sda and two other partitions which are for another OS.
[21:26] <yofel> ensignkim: RC will show as 'lsb_release -d'  Description:    Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
[21:26] <switchgirl> Alfihar, install on all of them
[21:26] <yofel> ensignkim: alpha and beta as Description:    Ubuntu lucid (development branch)
[21:27] <Ken8521> you can also lsb_release -a
[21:27] <Ken8521> Alfihar, sorry, i'm no help, i've never put grub on its own partition... why not just put it on the mbr?
[21:27] <Alfihar> switchgirl: what do you mean, you can only select one location to install the boot loader from the dropdown menu
[21:27] <yofel> Ken8521: that doesn't tell you anything more that's helpful, as only -d is different
[21:27] <ensignkim> yofel: cheers. is the RC the *actual* finished LTS release?
[21:28] <Ken8521> yofel, i didn't suggest it did.
[21:28] <yofel> ensignkim: not quite,  at least the ISO is missing quite a few bugfixes
[21:28] <yofel> Ken8521: well yes, I found -d to be more topic-focused
[21:28] <switchgirl> wheres the grub installed? use that
[21:28] <yofel> that's all
[21:29] <racecar56> release will be soon :)
[21:29] <Alfihar> Ken8521: Unfortunately I need to keep the other boot loader on the MBR otherwise Hibernation fails in the other OS, also some issues with decrypting the partition.
[21:29] <Ken8521> hmm
[21:30] <Alfihar> switchgirl: grub isn't installed anywhere yet, and I can't select the Ubuntu partition where it will be installed
[21:30] <ojii> good evening everyone
[21:30] <racecar56> hi
[21:30] <yofel> Alfihar: grub2 indee didn't support installing to a partition for a long time, I'm not sure if it does now actually
[21:30] <Quietstorm> hi
[21:30] <ojii> how/where can I set SCIM as my default input method for all 'input fields'?
[21:31] <racecar56> i use GPT with a bios boot partition on /dev/sda1
[21:33] <Alfihar> I'm not sure what partition table I have at the moment
[21:33] <Alfihar> yofel: I'm just going to check but I'm sure it worked in 9.10
[21:33] <Alfihar> with grub2
[21:33] <racecar56> i like GPT because i use quad-boot and i don't want the limits of MBR
[21:34] <Alfihar> whats the easiest way of checking what partition table you have
[21:34] <monkey_dust> hi all, are the minim, maxim and close buttons in lucid on the left or the right? -- has it changed again?
[21:34] <Ken8521> Alfihar, sudo fdisk -l i think
[21:35] <yofel> Alfihar: you could ask in #ubuntu-installer or in -devel what happened, or confirm bug 559783
[21:35] <Alfihar> thanks I'll try that in a sec once the livecd has booted
[21:35] <yofel> brb
[21:35] <Quietstorm> how do I change the color of my text here?
[21:36] <penguin42> you don't
[21:36] <ropetin> Any suggestions on how I can troubleshoot a hard lock condition?  My netbook (with Lucid) keeps randomly freezing, with no apparent trigger or pattern
[21:36] <Ken8521> Quietstorm, you *probably* can in the prefrences of your client(whatever that may be) but why would you want to?
[21:36] <monkey_dust> Quietstorm, it seems to me, that it depends on your irc client
[21:37] <Quietstorm> I have xchat
[21:37] <Ken8521> xchat is nice... for sure
[21:38] <Ken8521> i'd love to figure out irssi some day.
[21:38] <racecar56> Alfihar: sudo parted DRIVE p
[21:38] <Quietstorm> I just discovered the chatrooms last night and so this is new to me
[21:38] <racecar56> Alfihar: e.g. sudo parted /dev/sda p; this method works on gpt too
[21:38] <monkey_dust> i use smuxi
[21:38] <penguin42> ropetin: It can be quite difficult; when it locks does *anything* still work ? i.e. does it ping, does caps lock work? Does ctrl-alt-f1 work?
[21:38] <Ken8521> never heard of smuxi
[21:39] <ropetin> Nothing works (mouse doesn't move, capslock light doesn't go on or off)
[21:39] <monkey_dust> hi all, are the minim, maxim and close buttons in lucid on the left or the right? -- has it changed again?
[21:39] <Quietstorm> just installed 10.04 B3 2 days ago
[21:39] <Ken8521> ropetin, hae you tried doing a clean install of the RC?
[21:39] <Alfihar> just checked GRUB2 in 9.10 does allow for sda5. sudo parted /dev/sda p says I have an msdos partition table
[21:39] <visor> seems my gwibber problems have to do with nameserver resolution... if anybody has the same problem the fault is of /etc/resolv.conf which adds the domain name of my router and the NS lookups takes so long that they timeout... wasnt this fixed already?
[21:40] <ropetin> Ken8521: No, it's actually upgraded from Karmic, which never had any issues.  You think that might be what is required?
[21:40] <maco> visor: you could use a different nameserver if your router is slow about resoution
[21:40] <maco> 208.67.222.222 is opendns's
[21:40] <Ken8521> ropetin, i don't know.. but who knwos, maybe something went haywire in the upgrade process, wouldnt be the first time
[21:40] <ropetin> Ken8521: :)  True enough
[21:41] <Quietstorm> I like xchat but the move from windoze will be a challenge
[21:41] <maco> visor: your router is probably setup to set itself as the dns host for anything that connects to it. you can change it in your router's settings
[21:41] <Ken8521> Quietstorm, why's that?
[21:41] <visor> maco: but how? Is there an option to change NetworkManager so it doesnt add "nameserver belking" at the beginning of the resolv.conf file?
[21:41] <Ken8521> what does xchat have to do with windows?
[21:41] <maco> visor: its adding that because your router is setup to *push* that to everything that connects to it
[21:42] <visor> maco: mmm will try that, its an ISP cheap router so I'm not sure if thats doable but I'll try, thanks :)
[21:42] <bjsnider> !info ruby lucid
[21:42] <bjsnider> !info ruby karmic
[21:42] <BUGabundo> The program 'pidgin' is writing to file '2010-04-24.205836+0100WEST.txt' on /dev/sda2.
[21:42] <BUGabundo> This prevents the disk from going to powersave mode.
[21:42] <Quietstorm> I meant the experience as a whole, I'm still trying to learn the terminal
[21:43] <racecar56> BUGabundo: chat logging?
[21:43] <Ken8521> BUGabundo, sounds like something to do w/ logging
[21:43] <BUGabundo> just sounds weirds
[21:43] <BUGabundo> *weird
[21:43] <BUGabundo> boo
[21:43] <visor> maco: sadly, it doesnt have it... I guess I'll have to find another workaround
[21:46] <Quietstorm> I'm new to the whole unbuntu experience
[21:47] <Ken8521> Quietstorm, we all were at one time... best thing to do, is dual boot, so you have windows to fall back on, and address problems as they come up.
[21:48] <Ken8521> no atter how much you like it, absolutely, do not just take over your whole drive w/ ubuntu after a day
[21:49] <DanaG1> ANother reason to do so: in case ubuntu breaks, you can boot Windows to find out how to fix it.
[21:51] <Ken8521> DanaG1, in 6yrs, I've never had Linux break, that it wasn't 100% my fault
[21:51] <Ken8521> alpha's/beta's excluded of course
[21:51] <Quietstorm> I tried 8.05 but lost interest when I didn't have much success at ubuntu forums
[21:52] <maco> i had a stable release break one time. in 2006. and the fact that old kernels are preserved meant i just had to boot the previous kernel and keep going
[21:52] <maco> (i've never dual booted)
[21:52] <maco> sorry thats a lie. ive never dual booted *with a proprietary OS*
[21:53] <maco> i did quad boot with edgy, feisty, fedora core 6, and sabayon once. and i once dual booted ubuntu and debian
[21:53] <switchgirl> What is the best format for a seagate hard drive for storing media - ie mp3's device supports ext4 ext2 ext3 FAT xfs reiserfs ntfs minix swap space (250gb of swap lmao i guess not) or empty
[21:53] <Quietstorm> they weren't bad people but I felt looked down at because of being a noobie
[21:53] <maco> Quietstorm: did you go in the absolute beginner section? thats the nice part of the forum
[21:54] <Quietstorm> yeah, this was years ago but the answer I got was RTFM, whatever that means
[21:54] <maco> switchgirl: if windows needs to talk to it to, ntfs. otherwise... meh. obviously not swap as thats not for storing files. fat cant go larger than 4gb so not that. ext2's unjournalled so if you crash it falls over (though i suspect you'll write once read much so not so much of a problem)
[21:54] <maco> Quietstorm: it means "read the f******* manual"
[21:55] <rascal999> is it out?
[21:55] <maco> rascal999: a week!
[21:55] <rascal999> maco: i know i know ;)
[21:55] <maco> Quietstorm: if anyone ever says that to you again on the forums, report the post. one of the mods will whack them with a stick
[21:55] <rascal999> is this the channel to be on release day?
[21:55] <maco> rascal999: no thats #ubuntu-release-party
[21:55] <hellyeah_> hey
[21:56] <hellyeah_> anyone out there
[21:56] <maco> nobody here but us chickens
[21:56] <Quietstorm> I'll remember that. maco
[21:56] <maco> (and im saying that as one of the mods :P)
[21:56] <hellyeah_> some compiz plugin works some is not
[21:57] <hellyeah_> i am using ubuntu lucid
[21:59] <Quietstorm> I was able to learn some things reading stickys but if something went south and there was no sticky then I either reloaded it completely or utimately went back to windoze but I don't like it rea;;y
[22:00] <binspace_> hello, I'm running 10.04. On 9.04 I could change the positions of the windows using the keypad (upper left, upper, upper right, etc). I cannot find the option in compiz on 10.04. Has it gone away?
[22:00] <binspace_> I mean 9.10
[22:01] <Quietstorm> I don't solving problems but it's hard starting from ground zero and people on a forum saying that I should know how to do it.
[22:01] <guntbert> Quietstorm:  Do you have an ubuntu support question? random chatter goes to #ubuntu-offtopic please
[22:02] <Alfihar> hmm I can tell the installer to install the boot loader to either of my windows partitions, but even now that I've setup the Linux partitions manually and they show up in the list when selected the OK button is greyed out. At-least the /dev/sda-1 entry has disappeared.
[22:02] <binspace_> I think it's called the grid plugin. I wonder where it went.
[22:02] <Quietstorm> sorry gun, new to this.
[22:03] <Jake2|cfl> Earlier I was talking about grabbing window edges being hard. See https://bugs.launchpad.net/metacity/+bug/160311/comments/11
[22:03] <hellyeah_> hey
[22:03] <hellyeah_> i need help
[22:03] <Jake2|cfl> been known since 2007?
[22:03] <yofel> Quietstorm: if you're new please read the channel guidelines in the /topic too, helps to be taken seriously ;)
[22:04] <Ashex> Unable to get to installer with Kubuntu disc. Believe its an issue with X
[22:04] <Ashex> What's the flag for safe graphics mode?
[22:06] <Quietstorm> thanks yofel, where do I find the guidelines? sorry for the noob question
[22:06] <yofel> Quietstorm: enter '/topic' in your message line, it will show the channel topic
[22:07] <ojii> is rhythmbox broken for everyone else too?
[22:07] <yofel> ojii: broken it what way?
[22:07] <ojii> yofel, can't start it
[22:08] <hasenj> hi
[22:08] <hasenj> I upgraded to lucid beta 2
[22:08] <ojii> yofel, http://dpaste.com/187362/
[22:08] <duffydack> My button 6 or button7  Icant remember worked in karmic but is not recognised in lucid..
[22:08] <hasenj> and now I can't run postgres 8.3
[22:08] <Quietstorm> ok yofel, this is for lucid lynx.
[22:08] <hasenj> I can run 8.4, which I don't mind
[22:09] <lnostdal> hi, how do i remove pulseaudio from lucid? .. it still doesn't work proper with wine-based software and i need that to work proper
[22:09] <hasenj> except my "old" databases are gone!
[22:09] <lnostdal> (been at this since 8.04 btw. .. tired)
[22:09] <duffydack> basically, I have left, right, middle, middle scroll (4,5) and another one behind it which goes back a page in firefox etc.. so it is detected but for compiz its not using it..
[22:09] <yofel> Quietstorm: please read the irc guidelines link too, those are valid for all ubuntu channels
[22:09] <hasenj> anyone has any ideas?
[22:09] <hasenj> postgresql-8.3 is not in the repositories any more
[22:10] <hasenj> in `aptitude search` it's marked as 'c'
[22:10] <ojii> lnostdal, have you tried running your wine apps with padsp? that solve the issues i had back when i still used wine stuff
[22:11] <Quietstorm> thanks yofel, I have them up and reading them.
[22:11] <lnostdal> yes, i gotta do that to get sound at all, ojii .. but as soon as i run more than one app. via padsp everything .. becomes .. all .. jerky ..  ... not usable
[22:12] <yofel> hasenj: seems to have been removed at some point, just looking if I can find out why
[22:13] <hasenj> yofel: thanks
[22:14] <lnostdal> i just want to get rid of it .. killall -9 pulseaudio  ..but it just spawns again
[22:15] <ojii> lnostdal, i remember trying to 'get rid of pa' at one point. but it broke other stuff...
[22:16] <lnostdal> yes
[22:17] <yofel> hasenj: 8.3 doesn't seem to be supported anymore, even in karmic it's just there but doesn't receive bugfixes
[22:17] <ojii> lnostdal, I doubt "not using wine" is an option for you, but that would my suggestion be
[22:17] <hasenj> yofel: ok well, 8.4 runs find but my databases are not in it
[22:17] <lnostdal> yeah, if that option was possible i'd go for it of course
[22:17] <hasenj> runs fine *
[22:18] <hasenj> and 8.3 just doesn't run anymore
[22:18] <hasenj> even if I try pg_upgrade cluster
[22:18] <hasenj> it says that 8.3 is not running
[22:18] <yofel> ojii, lnostdal: to prevent pulse from auto-respawning change in /etc/pulse/client.conf: "; autospawn = yes" to "autospawn = no" (note the ; )
[22:18] <ojii> yofel, interesting, thanks for pointing this out
[22:19] <trism> lnostdal: instead of killing pulseaudio, you can try using wine with the pulseaudio patches, just built it today, working great (there is a ppa if you dont' want to build from source) http://art.ified.ca/?page_id=40
[22:19] <lnostdal> yofel, ok, i'll give it a go .. i suppose a restart is needed .. brb.
[22:20] <yofel> lnostdal: no, just killing pulse should be enough
[22:22] <DanaG> Yeah, wine sucks at dealing with audio.
[22:23] <AndChat|> So, looks like safe graphics mode is missing from the mode menu in the install disc
[22:23] <AndChat|> Is this a known issue?
[22:23] <monkey_dust> hi all, are the minim, maxim and close buttons in lucid on the left or the right? -- has it changed again?
[22:24] <hasenj> yofel: is there a backport repository or something that I can get 8.3 from?
[22:25] <yofel> not that I know of, maybe there's a ppa, but I don't know much about postgresql in general
[22:25] <guntbert> !controls | monkey_dust
[22:26] <maxb> https://edge.launchpad.net/~launchpad/+archive/ppa contains, amongst many other things, pg 8.3 for lucid
[22:27] <lnostdal> yup, it works, yofel .. thanks! :)
[22:27] <Ashex> So, is it a known issue?
[22:27] <Ashex> I'm on my phone so its difficult to check.
[22:28] <Ashex> Can't install due to NV driver issue.
[22:28] <U-b-u-n-t-u> I installed to the new 10.04 as an ungrade and it stalls on the ubuntu load screen I assume there was a grub error suggestions?
[22:29] <Ashex> If you see the Ubuntu logo it got past grub
[22:29] <U-b-u-n-t-u> I see the logo
[22:29] <U-b-u-n-t-u> but it stalls there
[22:29] <Ashex> Disable the bootsplash logo to see where it hangs
[22:30] <Ashex> It will list out services being started
[22:30] <U-b-u-n-t-u> how do I disable bootsplash?
[22:30] <Ashex> Can't recall at the moment
[22:30] <U-b-u-n-t-u> ok
[22:30] <Ashex>  Check the wiki
[22:31] <U-b-u-n-t-u> when I was installing the upgrade it disabled the mouse and it asked me which ones I wanted to replaced when it came to grub and I was only able to tab to the first option and click ok so I did
[22:31] <U-b-u-n-t-u> not sure if that matters
[22:31] <U-b-u-n-t-u> but thought id mention it
[22:32] <Ashex> Ah, might be a kernel problem.
[22:32] <miked595_> U/
[22:35] <U-b-u-n-t-u> I hit esc and the splash screen went away and I saw this msg... unit: uread-other main process (597) terminted with status 4
[22:38] <Quietstorm> has there been any progress on the 64 flash player and hulu.com?
[22:48] <Ashex> Not sure
[22:50] <shashike> hey guys
[22:50] <shashike> what do u think about ubuntu 10.04?
[22:50] <DJJeff> w0000000000000t w0000000000000t few days till release!!!
[22:50] <DJJeff> I had major issues with Beta 1 and Beta 2
[22:50] <DJJeff> im downloading the RC now
[22:51] <yofel> works fine here, but there are issues with it depending on the hardware you have
[22:51] <BUGabundo> DJJeff: RC? why? get a daily instead
[22:51] <BUGabundo> a few upgrades already
[22:51] <BUGabundo> yofel: you know what: even hibernate/resume works
[22:52] <yofel> BUGabundo: there hasn't been a daily since rc (19th actually)
[22:52] <BUGabundo> only a few minor bugs for me
[22:52] <BUGabundo> IO performance worse
[22:52] <BUGabundo> slow boot (better after purging hal)
[22:52] <BUGabundo> darn plymouht
[22:52] <DJJeff> testing on a Gateway 7330GZ Laptop 3.06GHz CPU 1.5GB RAM 80GB HDD
[22:52] <lucida> Hi, How can I know the type of my touchpad?
[22:52] <yofel> DJJeff: graphics card?
[22:52] <BUGabundo> and needing to press Fn-F7 two time to turn my LCD off
[22:53] <DJJeff> http://support.gateway.com/s/Mobile/Gateway/7000Series/4997sp3.shtml
[22:53] <DJJeff> 64MB Intel Extreme GFX
[22:54] <DJJeff> most problems is the wifi not working out of the box
[22:54] <DJJeff> got quite a few IO errors and my CD was brand new
[22:54] <DJJeff> during boot
[22:55] <yofel> lucida: maybe check what's used in the Xorg.0.log?
[22:56] <DJJeff> how far behind is the RC from a daily snapshot
[22:56] <DJJeff> when was the RC released?
[22:56] <DJJeff> oh (facepalm) Apr 19th
[22:57] <yofel> the rc images are the daily images from the 19th
[22:57] <arand> DJJeff: There are no dailies past the RC
[22:57] <lucida> yofel, I tried egrep -i 'touch|pad|synaptic' /var/log/Xorg.0.log but got no results
[22:58] <yofel> hm, I only know how to check with hal, 'lshal | grep -i touch' gives Elantech for me
[23:00] <yofel> lucida: udevadm info --export-db | grep -i touch     seems to work too
[23:03] <lucida> yofel, udevadm show nothing but $ sudo lshal | egrep -i 'touch|pad|synaptic'
[23:03] <lucida>   info.capabilities = {'input', 'input.keyboard', 'input.keypad', 'input.keys', 'button'} (string list)
[23:03] <lucida>   info.product = 'Core Processor Semaphore and Scratchpad Registers'  (string)
[23:03] <lucida>   pci.product = 'Core Processor Semaphore and Scratchpad Registers'  (string)
[23:03] <lucida> yofel, which I don't think relavent also
[23:04] <optln> i have a windows 7 installation on a ich10r raid0 array, but grub2 doesn't see it. does grub2 not supporting booting a raid array?
[23:07] <yofel> lucida: odd, both on my EeePC and on my thinkpad udevadm and lshal show the touchpad name I'm using
[23:08] <Zelozelos> hello everyone i am using the fusion icon to switch between compiz and metacity (usually when im on battery power to save a little power) also i use docky, when i switch to metacity i get a message from docky that i need composition for docky to work properly, (for one my screen gets black borders on the bottom and sides that hide my panel) what other options do i have in order to fix this issue?
[23:09] <lucida> yofel, I guess it's not called touchpad in linux ;) may be it's better to boot into windows and check the type there
[23:10] <lucida> yofel, seriously I will reboot now. thanks for your care.
[23:10] <Zelozelos> does anyone know if that other dock, i forget what its called, has the same issues?
[23:11] <coz_> Zelozelos,   ah kiba dock   awn  and cairo dock
[23:11] <duffydack> cairo, awn ?
[23:11] <coz_> Zelozelos,  however only cairo dock is currently being update and maintainted as far as I know
[23:11] <coz_> Zelozelos,  you can meet me in #cairo-dock if you like
[23:12] <Zelozelos> do you use the fusion icon and cario-dock? does it too black out part of the screen when you switch to metacity?
[23:12] <coz_> Zelozelos,  no it doesnt do that here but let me check on the lucid machine   hold on
[23:12] <Zelozelos> kk thank you
[23:13] <coz_> Zelozelos,  mm   apparenlty I dont have metacity installed
[23:13] <coz_> o0
[23:14] <Zelozelos> i only chose docky because it is easy to setup, guess ill just have 2 check them out ;) thanks anyhow
[23:14] <DefaultTo0> Hi guys. After installing Lucid, I don't have a volume controller applet in my icon area at the top-right at startup. The only way I can seem to enable it is to add the "Indicator Applet", which also adds the mail/chat icon, which I don't want. How can I add just the volume controller?
[23:14] <Oli``> Is there any way to turn off Plymouth and Xsplash? I've got an SSD and the desktop loads before they have a proper chance to display. I figure disabling them would just speed things up even more.
[23:15] <Oli``> is it just a case of taking "splash" off the boot string?
[23:15] <Zelozelos> DefaultTo0,  i think all you have 2 do is sudo apt-get uninstall mailto or smthing like this, i cant remember exactly what the command is, but you can uninstall the mail part
[23:15] <coz_> Zelozelos,  which part of the screen goes black??
[23:16] <Zelozelos> coz_, the bottom and both sides
[23:16] <coz_> Zelozelos, is there a dock on those areas?
[23:16] <Zelozelos> exactly where i have the docks at
[23:16] <coz_> Zelozelos,  ah thats because no compositor is set when you run mentacity...
[23:16] <MrSunshine_> hmm, how can lucid suck like 2gb of ram ?
[23:16] <MrSunshine_> got 2gb and its swappinglike hell :/
[23:16] <coz_> Zelozelos,  so the alpha channel will be black withouth the compositor running
[23:17] <Zelozelos> coz_, can i have a compositor with metacity?
[23:17] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  ooooo
[23:17] <Zelozelos> or would this be useless since the only reason i switch is to save a little power on battery mode
[23:17] <DefaultTo0> Zelozelos: I don't have mailto installed.
[23:17] <coz_> Zelozelos,   yes  but you wont be able to run compiz with that  but...if you want to enable that  open gconf-editor   maneuver to  /apps/metacity/general  and in the right panel look for  compositor_manager  and tick the box
[23:18] <Zelozelos> ah then ill just have 2 live w/o the dock ;) i can survive im not on battery very often anyhow
[23:18] <coz_> zekoZeko,  it called  compositing_manager in gconf
[23:18] <coz_> zekoZeko,  no  the docks will work well with the metacity compositor
[23:18] <Zelozelos> DefaultTo0, as i said, i dont remember exactly what the mail portion of that is, but you can uninstall it, perhaps someone else does
[23:19] <coz_> zekoZeko,  so enable the metacity compositor and your docks will work just as well
[23:19] <coz_> MrSunshine_,   not sure what to say about that... which video card out of curiosity?
[23:20] <Zelozelos> coz_, but compiz will not, i dont wanna have 2 go through all this when i switch it, ill just close docky, its gonna be a lot easier
[23:20] <coz_> zekoZeko,  right no compiz with metacity compositor  but I understand  :)
[23:20] <MrSunshine_> coz_, nvidia card dunno how much video ram .. like 1gb or so :P
[23:20] <coz_> Zelozelos,  sorry that was for you
[23:20] <coz_> zekoZeko,   sorry guy
[23:21] <MrSunshine_> got like 150mb free of 2gb of system ram
[23:21] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  ok and which nvidia driver?  open nvidia-settings it should say on first open
[23:21] <Zelozelos> tok i knew i think zekoZeko is used to it by now as well
[23:21] <coz_> :)
[23:21] <Zelozelos> and thank you for the help;)
[23:21] <MrSunshine_> coz_, current closed source
[23:21] <MrSunshine_> not at that computer atm :/
[23:21] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  is it the 195.36.15  maybe?
[23:21] <MrSunshine_> coz_, latest i could get with lucid
[23:22] <ojii> when trying to run rhythmbox it fails with http://dpaste.com/187362/
[23:22] <coz_> MrSunshine_,   i believe that is the version you can get   if so it should not be involved in using up any other resources unecessarily
[23:22] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  other than that I am not sure what may be using up all of t hose resources
[23:23] <MrSunshine_> coz_, no i find it wierd also, found a thread on google about lucid ram usage also
[23:23] <MrSunshine_> http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=9164615#post9164615
[23:23] <coz_> MrSunshine_,   if no one can answer that here you might want to bring this up in the ##Linux  channel   maybe
[23:23] <DefaultTo0> Aha, I found the solution. Removing indicator-messages removes the mail icon.
[23:23] <coz_> they can help
[23:23] <MrSunshine_> tho might be cached but still doesnt explain why it swaps like hell
[23:24] <MrSunshine_> computer became ALOT slower when i turned on swap
[23:24] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  oh  ok
[23:24] <penguin42> ojii: There seem to have been a few people with rhythmbox problems today; do you have a mp3 player plugged in?
[23:24] <bjsnider> MrSunshine_, try turining the swappiness setting down to 10
[23:24] <MrSunshine_> ran it without swap just fine
[23:24] <MrSunshine_> bjsnider, done
[23:24] <MrSunshine_> multitasking etc became ALOT slower also
[23:24] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  with all of that memory on board its likely you dont even swap
[23:24] <ojii> penguin42, nope
[23:24] <penguin42> ojii: Looks like a good old fashioned bug then
[23:25] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  i meant you may not need swap at all
[23:25] <MrSunshine_> coz_, as soon as i change workspace etc hd starts working like hell
[23:25] <MrSunshine_> coz_, aye true
[23:25] <coz_> MrSunshine_, then either turn swap down or off
[23:25] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  if it works better with it off then so be it :)
[23:25] <MrSunshine_> i guess only thing i get without it is problems compiling huge stuff etc :P
[23:26] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  then turn it down to the point where things are not slowing down and compiling still works fine
[23:26] <penguin42> it's odd - swap shouldn't cause that type of problem
[23:26] <coz_> I know
[23:26] <coz_> but hey
[23:26] <MrSunshine_> coz_, by "turn it down" you mean what exactly ? :)
[23:26] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  where are you setting swap now?
[23:27] <MrSunshine_> coz_, huh ? :)
[23:27] <coz_> hold on
[23:27] <MrSunshine_> fstab mounts it on a swap partition
[23:27] <Q_Continuum> I want to install 10.04 server on a box, but don't want to waste a CD for the single install.  (Box doesn't support USB booting) - any reason I couldn't hook it up to my laptop, install, then move the drive over?
[23:27] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  oh swap partition
[23:27] <penguin42> Q_Continuum: It *should* work
[23:28] <coz_> MrSunshine_,   https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SwapFaq
[23:28] <coz_> MrSunshine_,   search for   disable swap
[23:28] <Q_Continuum> destination box is AthlonXP based, laptop is CoreDuo.  So hopefully it works.  IF not I burn a CD and pitch it later. heh.
[23:28] <coz_> MrSunshine_,   sudo swapoff -a  will turn it off
[23:28] <penguin42> Q_Continuum: unless there is something particularly odd about the two machines; you might have problems with grub though since it won't be the same bios device on the other machine
[23:29] <Q_Continuum> penguin42, any known documentation on that issue, or how to know if it will/won't work?
[23:29] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  also just below that section is the  "Empty Swap"  section which sounds more like your issue
[23:30] <penguin42> Q_Continuum: I'm not sure; it's worth a go and hope it just works; if not try and get the menu on gru b(shift right at the start) and you might be able to change the device; but if you're unlucky you might have to change grub when you install it and I'd change the device.map
[23:31] <The_Journey> so I heard there's a memory leak with Xorg in lucid lynx
[23:31] <MrSunshine_> coz_, well sucks to have to execute a script now and then :P
[23:31] <MrSunshine_> but lower swapiness == less swapping? :)
[23:31] <The_Journey> is that fixed yet or no?
[23:31] <Q_Continuum> penguin42, Ok, I'll give it a shot.  If it doesn't work I'll come back :-D
[23:32] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  isnt there a way mentioned to have this occur automatically?
[23:32] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  you can clear the swap also   on that link
[23:32] <coz_> MrSunshine_,  just is strange all the swappiness going on
[23:33] <The_Journey> I have a question, the Release Candidate for Lucid Lynx means that it is the final one right? Not Beta?
[23:33] <arand> The_Journey: It's not the final, neither beta, it's the "inbetween"
[23:34] <DefaultTo0> If no more bugs are found, then the RC will become the final release with no changes.
[23:34] <duffydack> DefaultTo0, there have been updates already
[23:35] <The_Journey> I'm just wondering should I upgrade my Karmic to Lucid now or wait another 5 days
[23:35] <penguin42> DefaultTo0: It normally takes quite important bugs to get a change in between RC and release
[23:35] <duffydack> DefaultTo0, I`ll just zsync the iso , shouldnt be much.
[23:36] <DefaultTo0> duffydack: Yes, I know, I'm saying that if there were no more bugs, then the RC code would be the final code.
[23:36] <duffydack> The_Journey, if you dont know, then just wait the 5 days.. its only 5 days.
[23:37] <EruditeHermit> hey, does anyone know how to get crystalhd decoder working in Lucid?
[23:40] <Sarvatt> EruditeHermit: install the kernel from here - https://edge.launchpad.net/~leannogasawara/+archive/ppa/+packages and track down all the userspace stuff it'll need :D
[23:42] <The_Journey> Is this bug fixed in the Release Candidate? https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg-server/+bug/565981
[23:42] <EruditeHermit> Sarvatt, thanks let me try that
[23:42] <EruditeHermit> Sarvatt, is the crystalhd decoder in mainline in 2.6.34?
[23:42] <Sarvatt> EruditeHermit: tried the stuff from http://www.broadcom.com/support/crystal_hd/ ?
[23:42] <Sarvatt> yeah it is
[23:43] <Sarvatt> looks like it needs firmware though thats not in there
[23:43] <EruditeHermit> hrm it seems to be in lucid
[23:43] <Jordan_U> The_Journey: Not in the RC, no.
[23:43] <mewshi> can someone help me keep the screen from locking after so many minutes?
[23:43] <EruditeHermit> Sarvatt, does this mean its in linux-firmware-nonfree in lucid? https://code.launchpad.net/~chasedouglas/ubuntu/lucid/linux-firmware-nonfree/updates/+merge/22472
[23:44] <Sarvatt> http://git.wilsonet.com/crystalhd.git/
[23:44] <The_Journey> Jordan_U: Then how do I get it fixed if I upgraded to Lucid Lynx?
[23:45] <Sarvatt> mewshi: system - preferences - screensaver, change the time or uncheck lock completely
[23:45] <mewshi> thank you
[23:45] <Jordan_U> The_Journey: The fix has been released, it's just that the fixed package isn't in the RC.
[23:46] <The_Journey> Jordan_U: Would a simple update package fix it?
[23:46] <Jordan_U> The_Journey: Yes.
[23:46] <The_Journey> tyvm
[23:46] <Sarvatt> EruditeHermit: yeah the firmware is in there
[23:47] <EruditeHermit> cool
[23:47] <Sarvatt> it's in linux-firmware-nonfree (1.8) lucid; urgency=low
[23:47] <EruditeHermit> so why didn't they put it in the lucid kernel
[23:47] <EruditeHermit> if the firmware is there
[23:48] <jpds> EruditeHermit: It's non0free?
[23:48] <Sarvatt> EruditeHermit: looks like libcrystalhd1 is in lucid too so you're set
[23:48] <EruditeHermit> the kernel stuff is free
[23:49] <Sarvatt> EruditeHermit: because it wasnt even remotely accepted until 2.6.34 most likely
[23:49] <EruditeHermit> Sarvatt, where did you see libcrystalhd1
[23:49] <Sarvatt> Package: libcrystalhd1
[23:49] <Sarvatt> Description: Crystal HD Video Decoder Drivers libraries
[23:50] <EruditeHermit> I get couldn't find package libcrystalhd1
[23:50] <EruditeHermit> are you sure you don't have a ppa enabled that has it?
[23:50] <EruditeHermit> if so, which one?
[23:50] <Sarvatt> must have
[23:50] <Sarvatt> team-xbmc it looks like
[23:51] <EruditeHermit> ok
[23:51] <EruditeHermit> well let me get to it!
[23:51] <EruditeHermit> let you know in a few mins
[23:56] <EruditeHermit> Sarvatt, I am having errors with that ppa with the kernel. is it the same kernel as in xorg-edgers ppa?
[23:56] <EruditeHermit> that particular ppa seems to be down
[23:57] <Sarvatt> theres no metapackage, you have to install linux-image-2.6.34-1-generic manually
[23:57] <Sarvatt> but yeah same kernel