[00:13] <ChrisWoollard> According to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-manual/authors TexLive2009 in the packagetree is broken. Is this still the case?
[00:15] <godbyk> ChrisWoollard: I'm not sure; I haven't tried it in a while.  But we need the latest version of XeTeX and polyglossia.
[00:15] <godbyk> You could try the packages if you like, but the safe bet is to install from upstream.
[00:28] <ChrisWoollard> Ok. I will play tomorrow. My eyes want to give up. Sleeping time
[00:29] <godbyk> I hear ya.  See ya later.
[00:29] <ChrisWoollard> It is never good to work on translations while sleepy.
[08:57] <thorwil> godbyk: hi! have to make sure ... the bleed for the lulu cover is inwards from the dimensions you gave me, right?
[12:15] <godbyk-android> thorwil: yep
[12:16] <thorwil> godbyk-android: good. had a chance to look into the generate-titlepages issue? i somehow broke that
[12:18] <godbyk-android> oh, I thought you'd figured out the problem already. If you send me a short email describing the issue, I'll take a look at it when I wake up.
[12:44] <daker> hello everybody
[13:16] <dutchie> godbyk: ping
[13:16] <dutchie> godbyk: actually, nm
[14:01] <vish> hrm , looks like i missed daker again :s
[14:01] <vish> humphreybc: heya , do you have access to the manual website? got the icons ready for facebook and twitter
[14:02] <humphreybc> um
[14:02] <humphreybc> not sure
[14:03] <humphreybc> it depends whether he's using the main branch stil
[14:03] <humphreybc> still*
[14:03] <humphreybc> I have a feeling it might have moved to ubuntu-manual-website which I can't write to
[14:03] <humphreybc> email them to him
[14:03] <vish> humphreybc: whats his id?
[14:03] <humphreybc> actually
[14:03] <humphreybc> he only just turned up a couple of hours ago
[14:04] <humphreybc> i'll see if he's on facebook
[14:04] <vish> bah , i'll get him next time ;)
[14:04] <humphreybc> his email is adnane002@gmail.com
[14:06] <humphreybc> 5 days till release? eek
[14:06] <humphreybc> i hope thorwil's cover design is nearing completion!
[14:34] <dutchie> lo humphreybc
[14:35] <thorwil> humphreybc: front and spine yes, backside not so much
[14:35] <humphreybc> hi dutchie
[14:35] <humphreybc> thorwil: okay, you've got another couple of days :P
[14:36] <humphreybc> i'll keep pestering the design team, make sure you get the logo SVG asap
[15:07] <ChrisWoollard> dutchie: did you get your branches sorted out in the end?
[15:08] <dutchie> yeah
[15:08] <dutchie> just battling with updating the pot file now
[15:09] <ChrisWoollard> Ok. That is good (? pretending he understands what a pot file does).
[15:09] <dutchie> the pot file is the template for the translations
[15:10] <dutchie> so once it's updated, the strings godbyk changed about the search engine provider will be available to be translated
[15:11] <ChrisWoollard> ahhhh. Translations i understand. I have done a lot of those. Hopefully they won't break
[15:11] <dutchie> hopefully
[15:12] <ChrisWoollard> Does that also mean I can keep translating or have to wait?
[15:13] <dutchie> keep going
[15:13] <dutchie> most strings will be unaffected
[15:16] <ChrisWoollard> That is good. 626 of uk english left. I WILL finish it......
[15:17] <dutchie> good man :)
[15:18] <humphreybc> come on brits, you can do it
[15:19] <ChrisWoollard> Yes, but it takes ages.
[15:25] <ChrisWoollard> was there a tag along the lines of \ie
[15:26] <dutchie> yes
[15:26] <ChrisWoollard> good
[15:26] <humphreybc> dutchie: "the strings godbyk changed about the search engine provider will be available to be translated" huh?
[15:26] <dutchie> they will as soon as po4a sorts itself out
[15:27] <humphreybc> oh right, google
[15:27] <humphreybc> i see
[15:28] <dutchie> shower time
[19:35] <ubuntujenkins> hello
[19:40] <ubuntujenkins> has anyone looked at https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu-manual/+bug/569470 . its not a valid bug against the manual but what should it be reassigned to?
[19:40] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 569470 in ubuntu-manual "can't install 10.04 release candidate on ASus k72F " [Undecided,New]
[19:49] <ubuntujenkins> reassigned bug https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubiquity/+bug/569470
[19:49] <manualbot> Launchpad bug 569470 in ubiquity "can't install 10.04 release candidate on ASus k72F " [Undecided,New]
[20:00] <ubuntujenkins> bye all
[21:48] <ubuntujenkins> evening all
[22:31] <IlyaHaykinson> if i bzr pull in a directory pulled from before the lucid-e1/lucid-e2 split, will i be on the lucid-e2 branch now? or still lucid-e1?
[22:31] <IlyaHaykinson> and is there a way to find out?
[22:31] <IlyaHaykinson> i can't seem to tell which branch i'm on
[22:31] <dutchie> try bzr info
[22:32] <IlyaHaykinson> push branch: bzr+ssh://bazaar.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-manual/ubuntu-manual/main/
[22:32] <dutchie> that's lucid-e1
[22:32] <IlyaHaykinson> i thought the main branch is lucid-e2 now?
[22:32] <dutchie> well, yes
[22:32] <dutchie> it's complicated
[22:33] <dutchie> and confusing
[22:33] <IlyaHaykinson> ok. i'll take your word for it.
[22:33] <IlyaHaykinson> we're still tweaking the website in the main branch though, right?
[22:33] <IlyaHaykinson> i think we have a font issue.
[22:34] <dutchie> I want the website out of the branch, personally
[22:34] <IlyaHaykinson> agreed
[22:34] <dutchie> I think it's being developed in the lp:ubuntu-manual-website branch now
[22:35] <IlyaHaykinson> except that this is a closed branch...
[22:35] <dutchie> a what?
[22:35] <dutchie> you can't push?
[22:36] <IlyaHaykinson> https://code.launchpad.net/~adnane002/ubuntu-manual-website/website
[22:36] <IlyaHaykinson> "You cannot upload to this branch. Only Adnane Belmadiaf can upload to this branch."
[22:36] <dutchie> well that needs fixing
[22:36] <IlyaHaykinson> nod
[22:36] <dutchie> poke daker when he comes online
[22:37] <IlyaHaykinson> will do
[22:37] <IlyaHaykinson> well, for now, i can just play locally
[22:37] <IlyaHaykinson> *sigh* need to get apache+php running on this box though
[22:37] <IlyaHaykinson> or how do all the cool kids host php now? nginx? lighthttpd?
[22:39] <dutchie> I avoid PHP
[22:39] <IlyaHaykinson> i haven't used it in at least 6 years
[22:40] <IlyaHaykinson> before, though, it was seriously my language of choice
[22:40] <IlyaHaykinson> well, web framework of choice at the very least.
[22:40] <dutchie> django \o/
[22:41] <IlyaHaykinson> meh. i tend to write on top of cherrypy or tornado directly, these days
[22:50] <godbyk> I'm awake again.  (Boo!)
[22:50] <godbyk> Hey, dutchie.  Any luck on the po4a front?
[22:50] <dutchie> no :(
[22:50] <godbyk> rats!
[22:50] <dutchie> #po4a is about as useful as a chocolate teapot too
[22:50] <godbyk> Yeah, I noticed that, too.
[22:50] <godbyk> I think it's inhabited only by zombies.
[22:51] <godbyk> They haven't said one word.
[22:51] <dutchie> I have had answers from there before
[22:51] <godbyk> (Not even braaaaaains!)
[22:51] <dutchie> it's getting close to manually-editing-the-pot-file time
[22:54] <godbyk> yuck.
[22:55] <godbyk> I added a couple links to the bottom of http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/UMPtranslations that point to some translation software that may or may not be useful.
[22:55] <godbyk> (I haven't looked it much yet.)
[22:55] <godbyk> ...If we end up having to side-step launchpad/rosetta at some point.
[22:56] <IlyaHaykinson> there's always http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pootle
[22:56] <godbyk> IlyaHaykinson: Yeah, that's one of the links I put in, I think.
[22:57] <dutchie> I don't think LP/Rosetta is the weak link
[22:57] <godbyk> Where do you think the weak link is?  po4a?
[22:57] <dutchie> gettext
[22:57] <dutchie> po4a could be improved too
[22:58] <dutchie> gettext is very good at doing software, but it's just not designed for doing docs
[22:58] <godbyk> How are docs normally translated?
[22:58] <godbyk> The translators are handed completed documentation to translate at once?
[22:58] <dutchie> I think so
[22:59] <dutchie> not done this much before though :Virtaal is built on the powerful API of the Translate Toolkit. “Virtaal” is an Afrikaans play on words meaning “For Language”, but also refers to translation.
[22:59] <dutchie> hag
[22:59] <dutchie> gah
[22:59] <dutchie> I'm going to be
[22:59] <dutchie> d
[22:59] <godbyk> 'kay.
[22:59] <godbyk> have pleasant dreams about translations.  discover an awesome solution. :-)
[23:00] <dutchie> I'm in london for the national schools' challenge quiz finals tomorrow, so I won't be around
[23:01] <godbyk> gotcha.  good luck!
[23:01] <dutchie> thanks
[23:25] <IlyaHaykinson> omg cufon makes things _so_ much more readable
[23:25] <IlyaHaykinson> as does switching to having verdana be the primary font for the website
[23:25] <IlyaHaykinson> it's night and day, on windows
[23:34] <IlyaHaykinson> ok, actually, found the problem.
[23:35] <IlyaHaykinson> between 6 and 11 pt sizes for Dejavu Sans Condensed, the font is broken on windows
[23:35] <IlyaHaykinson> like, absolutely atrocious
[23:35] <IlyaHaykinson> 5 pt or lower, and 12 pt and higher, it looks great.
[23:36] <IlyaHaykinson> oops, i have my range incorrect
[23:38] <IlyaHaykinson> 10pt - 17pt.
[23:38] <IlyaHaykinson> though it's about the effective zoom range
[23:38] <IlyaHaykinson> the solution is to switch to Dejavu Sans (non-condensed) which does not have this problem
[23:49] <godbyk> What was the original font stack?